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Why I Despise John Redcorn
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2020
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John red-corn: Twelve acres? What an insult!
Me, A Lakota: Shit man if the government offered me 12 free acres I'll take it.
Your comment made me laugh so hard I started Koughing
You get plenty of casino money from the suckers
Me, a random hick from the south: hell all I need is two
@@azathoth2067 Me, a Mexican American: You guys get land for free?
@@Darksky1001able you do if the government doesn't know about it
You left out the best burn from Hank in this episode! When John Redcorn says "I can't believe she left me for that!" Hank replies back "She didn't LEAVE you for THAT, she MARRIED that 2 years before she met you"
I thought hank was making fun of Dale
@@Lucrativecris nah he recognizes Dale is a weirdo but Redcorn is being objectively shitty
@@Lucrativecris Nah, It was Hank explaining to John that Despite how long their affair was it was nothing more than an affair she made a vow with Dale. Sure Nancy is a horrible person for breaking that vow Several times, But she's made it clear that she wouldn't leave Dale for him.
Hank is good at that
@@Lucrativecrishe was idk what they’re talking about
-Sleeps with married woman.
-Doesn’t get to raise his kid.
-WELL IF IT ISN’T THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS!
little late here but John Redcorn take pleasure in doing the affair thing with Nacy. He has no feeling for Nacy, he only doing it to spite Dale and the white man. He care more about wanting to revenge a bunch of dead white guy from a hundred years ago then raising his own son. John deserves to be alone
@@SWANSWAN-nc7dshe's a flagrant narcissist that's so far up his own rectum it's a wonder he can even see straight. He always goes on about how Dale stole HIS Nancy when she was married to Dale for TWO YEARS before they even met. It's also the reason why he hasn't already gotten Joseph. He doesn't want to deal with the fallout of having to tell the truth, he just wants everything to go the way he wants it, regardless of the consequences or responsibilty
John Redcorn is worse than Nancy.
Throughout the affair, John was just having fun while Nancy romanticized the whole thing. John never made any attempt to make it serious and pretty easily gave Nancy up.
Later, John Redcorn has a mid-life crisis upon realizing he's forty and has nothing to show for his life. He decides outta nowhere that he's owed a relationship with the bastard son he barely knows. He tries to rekindle with Nancy, but she chooses Dale once more.
Nancy always had the most to lose from their affair while John Redcorn was the third party. That he has the nerve to claim he's somehow been wronged is despicable.
Dale Gribble is the only father Joseph has ever known or needed. John Redcorn is just his mother's wierd friend.
He was 36 actually
Nancy's worse cause she was married and knowingly allowed her husband to raise a child that wasn't his. Her romanticizing it is also worse considering she was married.
Nancy is still worse because she allowed Dale to raise a kid who wasn’t his.
@@NukeCaulfield
Indeed, though I think they're both awful.
John Redcorn LOVED being in relationships with married women. Nancy was not the first, and wasn't the last. He was a womanizer and a hypocrite, and had to reconcile with his actions once his favorite affair partner wizened up. He knew exactly what he was doing, I'd even argue he got his rockers off on the idea of him easily stealing some guy's wife away. Dale Gribble was the most foolish man possible who'd be too trusting to ever actually "catch" them. He's a homewrecker and deservedly got his comeuppance once Nancy left and he started realizing he had very little to show. He does make a solid friendship with Dale who helped him get some much needed government documents through the Freedom of Information Act, and he begins to feel guilty for his actions. Properly.. and indirectly breaking the affair with Nancy proper and lets them go.
Nancy was a dissatisfied wife married to a very paranoid, very quirky Exterminator. She didn't get what she wanted out of her marriage and then met John Redcorn. She romanticized this affair and even got knocked up. Dale, being the fool that he is didn't even register the possibility of his wife cheating on him, nor would ever believe anyone saying otherwise. Nancy spent so much time blatantly cheating on him, but one day after a fine couple's date and a night of passion, Nancy realized what she loved about Dale, why she married him and starts to see the sincere devotion and fire she thought was lost. Dale realized how much he ignored Nancy and promised to give her the time she desired, which rekindled their marriage.
Nancy is a cheater, there's no denying that. She doesn't get her proper punishment but she does redeem herself through returning to her marriage, and making an active effort to be involved in Dale and Joseph's lives. Though there is something of a redeeming story in this. That a 14 year long affair is broken mutually and a new future is paved for all of them. Most people desire justice, yet here there's something new each of them.
@@NukeCaulfieldnah redcorns victim mentality makes it worse
The thing you could argue that makes John worse than Nancy is the fact that for 13 years he has remained silent about the paternity of his son. If John had revealed the truth about Joseph and fought for custody when he was a baby, John would probably be raising Joseph with 50/50 custody. Instead, John chose to remain silent in order to continue his affair with Nancy. Essentially, John Redcorn chose his mistress over his son.
exactly
Yeah, he's not entitled to access to Joseph. He's lost all right to the boy, and needs to give up.
That's cus he wasn't sleeping around with just Nancy.. that's why he didn't want to be a father.
10/10 some of these comments sound like they would hypocritically come from people saying "oh women get custody all of the time, its not fair!"
How does John wanting to be with Nancy (the mother of his child, NOT just a mistress) conflict with wanting to be close to Joseph?
@@neonflights5951 it's because he never came forth and took responsibility when Nancy was pregnant or when Joseph was born, instead he chose to still keep the relationship the way it was and not something serious
I love how John Redcorn comes off as a creepy old man when he tries to bond with Joseph. It's the perfect revenge. Joseph wants nothing to do with him and looks up to Dale
this. actually dale is pretty loyal albit naive, he could've gone away with that sexy bug exterminator lady, which made nancy overly jealous. but he kept being loyal which is why we all love him.
And Dale, with all his craziness and stupidity has one thing spot-on right, and that is being a STELLAR example of what a good father is, despite his flaws.
@@Stanley.1977 there’s a theory that Dale knows or knew Nancy Cheated on him but he pretended to ignore it because it made everyone happy. Also he’s a better father to Joseph than RedCorn will ever be.
@@theequalizer694 I kind of feels like he acts like a alien theorist to hide his pain and just smile an parade's as a looney character
Objectively any good in Joseph comes from dale. All redcorn would have taught Joseph is bitterness over the past and ignorance and how to be a charlatan. It's funny as hell how he literally uses his culture and victim status to scam white people out of their money, yet hes a loser who has no meaningful accomplishments in his life. Even nancy eventually dumps him after spending 1 meaningful day with dale not judging him. Her life would be in the gutter without dale in it. Joseph would be a bum like his biological father raised by him and nancy would be a trailer park mom with a biracial child.
Even better he has the nerve to blame the white man for taking from him when hes literally a protected class. Dude even gets free acres of land for reparations.
The thing with red corn is he never even really tried to fight for his son. If he really wanted him why didn’t he fight for custody when he was a baby? It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
IKR? It baffles me that he apparently never realized that his affair with Nancy could end at absolutely any time, and thus, his excuse for being welcome with Joseph's mother. Do you all think he would have continued the affair into their 70s and 80s if they could?
Let's not forget he was also sleeping around with other women. Since there's evidence that he had children with other women.
He just wanted to cuck the White man.
" It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too."
Defining trait of people that have affairs when you think about it.
@@talesofgore9424 on god
John Redcorn was happy to sleep around because he could justify his reprehensible action with historical treatment. But once he realized that he was only continuing the crime against his own people he tried to step in, but in a selfish way.
My favorite fan theory is that Dale is fully aware of his wife's affair and his revenge is being a good father to make sure John never gets to bond with the child he and Nancy conceived
ive never heard that one but i love it ngl
Oooh damn. That’s good,
I love that due to a greentext I read with this exact premise
Damn that's deep 😕lol
sure but dale's not really a good father
he's not terrible but he's pretty incompetent
"He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy" - mary poppins
“ *I’m Mary Poppins Y’ALL!!* ”
RIP Mary Poppins. Your whistle arrow slayed many.
I miss Mary yandoo poppins
That's exactly how my dad explained the relationship he has with my half-brother (from a rationship before he and my mom met); he may not be his biological father, but he is abbsolutely his dad.
@@spacedude5208 Yandoo
I honestly hate that Dale's "closest friends" continue to hide this from him
It's because EVERYONE knows even dale
Dale is clearly a unstable mess and they are afraid of what he would do if he found out this betrayal
That's because while Dale is a great father and loyal husband, he is also very unstable; his friends know that a betrayal of this sort would probably send him right over the edge into dangerous territory.
I agree.
@@sandydog426 This exactly. I've always agreed that it's shitty of them to keep hiding it, but they don't exactly have any real option otherwise. Their choices are: Maintain the status quo (shitty) or... potentially send their friend over the deep end (shitty, and could result in injury or death of multiple people). In the balance, they are probably making the most correct choice they're capable of.
While I am not fully Native American, I do have quite a bit in me, my grandmother being pretty visibly native american. And even I get pissed off at John, especially when he goes on about actions his ancestors did. Noone can control what their people did in the past, and the mentality of treating people like they can has always urked me. Im with you on this one shady
If you were born here then you are a Native American
@@Quincy_Morris Most retarted statement ever made.
My favourite moment involving John Redcorn: when Joseph is about to kill a panda at a zoo to prove himself as some initiation and John stops him by catching the arrow that Joseph misfires. But then Dale hands him a gun and says "he won't catch a bullet."
Dale is truly a great character
Dale just wanted to make Joseph happy and not have the same life like he did when he was a kid
What's even more amazing about that episode is Dale was like THIS CLOSE to figuring out Joesph was John Redcorn's son. You know, the whole vision quest thing. But then came to conclusion that the vision meant HE was an Indian. And that's why we love Dale.
But yeah, that was probably the only good thing John Redcorn ever did, stopping the arrow.
@@SuperSwordman1 it takes about 3 arrows to kill a bear, I imagine it would take that many to kill a panda. It may have been good but Joseph likely wouldn't have fired another making the gesture basically meaningless but good.
@@respectfullyrazerian2154 Meh still kept the panda from being injured, and who knows what kind of legal trouble Joseph and Dale would get in for assaulting an endangered animal. So I wouldn't say it was meaningless.
@@SuperSwordman1 I think you mean Rusty Shackleford.
A response to John Redcorn of wanting his son back:
"Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet and pick it up when you're ready to wear it. His life goes on! He's not suppose to be here for you, you're suppose to be here for him!" - Uncle Phil
You said it. He didn't even think that doing that would cause unfair emotional damage to Joseph learning about the affair and that he was now expected to forget all those years of Dale caring for him just because one guy said it. If anyone ever told me I shouldn't see my Dad as my Dad because of something that happened over a decade ago, I'd be so furious.
Uncle Phil is always a W
I'm not woke or anti woke.
This anti woke movement is just like the other side of the same coin.
John Redcorn is awesome. He fuqs and listens to classic rock and drives a jeep.
@@wutm8 your standards for cool are pretty low pal
@@wutm8 Why even bring up woke and anti-woke?
Remember the episode where Dale almost figures it out because of the lady Bill dates who also happened to be an old fling of Redcorn's who also had 2 kids of his? He didn't want to raise them either, but he sure had a lot of complaints about Bill or Dale raising them (Dale thought they were actually his own biological kids bc of the DNA test he did proving they were Joseph's siblings, lol). And the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae is that Redcorn was sleeping with that lady during the same time that he was having the affair with Nancy, so it makes his complaints about how she wouldn't leave Dale for him, and the way he freaked out on her when he found out she slept with Dale, even more hypocritical. He accuses her of cheating on him with Dale, her actual husband, all the while he was giving who knows how many other ladies the business behind her back.
it's even funnier than that when dale went off believing he was indian because he found out joseph was and john redcorn still let dale go along with this idea so uh he clearly doesn't care that much about the dignity of his people
@@marley7868 omg I completely forgot that one, lol
@@TheBananamonger same, lol
I really hate John's mentality. Using racial prejudice to justify being a terrible person literally undos the point of learning from it and is just scummy.
That's the majority of race baiters though. Which is exactly what's trying to be portrayed in the show with this character.
@@compmanio36 White woman here, sorry to any native Americans who get screwed over by people like john redcorn and then have their concerns over bigotry not taken seriously. Because boy do I know that with some internet "feminists". Case in point this comment
Sounds like a typical SJW
Victim mentality is self destructive, and leads to the person with it, becoming a victimizer themselves.
If 9nly a certain group in America learned that
As the famous quote goes "he may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." John redcorn may have been the biological father but Dale did the rasing and bonding with Joseph.
Reminds me of the episode when Peggy finds out that Nancy and John were having an affair and chooses not to out them after watching Dale be a good dad because it would hurt Dale. Ironically Dale being such a good dad and an accepting person it probably would not have been that big of a deal for him. In the 90's Dale was fine with his dad being gay, thinking John Redcorn was gay, living in a multiracial neighborhood, and a ton of other social non norms for the time.
Damn Yondu was a great dad
God that line makes me tear up every time, but it's so true!!!
As another famous quote goes that describes Dale to a T: “I’m not the stepdad. I’m the dad who stepped up.”
Bingo.
That's the joke. In a nutshell. He appears noble but he's heavily flawed. Whereas Dale, who appears problematic, is actually the more trustworthy.
Eh I'd say Dale is more compassionate than trustworthy. Remember he's flanked on his friends when they needed him numerous times out of fear or to avoid trouble entirely.
I wouldn't say trustworthy but Dale is certainly loyal
Thank you! I don't get how he's a huge King of the Hill fan, yet misses the point when it's right in front of him. On top of John Redcorn serving as an ironic foil for Dale, the media has historically portrayed Native Americans as wise and infallible figures who have been wronged by the white man. While there isn't anything inherently unflattering with that image, it is a tired stereotype that the writers seem to turn on its head by depicting John Redcorn as a morally-compromised character who constantly betrays Dale's trust and engages in other transgressions. The show is full of obvious self-contradictions-such as a substitute Spanish teacher who cannot speak Spanish or a bald, sensitive, overweight man working as a barber in the army-and I am surprised that he made an entire video explaining why he hated John Redcorn, as if the audience was supposed to like him to begin with.
@@waxeightoneeight this video is explaining the aspects of the character that are unlikable. he totally gets the character, he’s just analyzing it.
Unlike another video where a clueless millennial woman complaining that Seinfeld hadn't aged well because so much of the humor is "problematic." Not even grasping that's the entire POINT of the show, the characters were "problematic" in the 1990's and that IS the joke.
Despite how Dale acts he and Hank, with maybe Boomhauer, are the ones I would want with me.
Hank might flake, Boomhauer is himself and will probably leave, but Dale? Dale will ride or die. Might be a bit off his rocker but he isnt so looney he doesn't know who his friends are.
Ironically he is more trustworthy than all his friends, since they all lie to him about Redcorn and Nancy.
John Redcorn is a cautionary tale about people who hide behind the terrible past their people have gone through to absolve themselves of any present moral wrongdoing.
2023 in a nutshell
@@toamatoro570this comment right here👏🏾
bee eel em in a nutshell.
the idf would like to know your location
How come Jews can talk behind the holocaust but when natives talk about there genocide that was far worse than the holocaust and way more natives where killed than Jews where using the victim mentality you sound retarded
I actually admire the way they did John and Dale. It's a fairly nuanced look at real parent vs biological parent. Dale's certainly not the best father in the world but it's not for lack of trying and he dearly loves Joseph and Nancy. John meanwhile did a bad thing and he's a whiny, entitled, self-aggrandizing selfish man, but he's not a terrible person either. Actually, this whole show was pretty good at nuance where all the characters felt like real people.
I love Joseph and Dale's relationship especially as a foil to Bobby and Hank. A father and son who have plenty of similarities despite sharing no DNA and then a father and a son who are quite different and yet share DNA. It's actually a reason I don't like theories that Bobby isn't Hank's biological son, it undermines the heart of the show where both of these father/son relationships each have nuanced characters who bond regardless of their differences.
Yeah. I don't like a lot of fan theories for that reason. They tend to undermine themes the story was going for, and the theory itself rarely has any value beyond "wouldn't it be crazy if."
Lost me at John not being a terrible person.
He kinda just is. No ifs ands or buts about it.
Correct, everyone is a piece of work and seem fairly grounded in reality. Nobody is perfect in this show.
Even the most crazy and weird characters were based on the behaviors of real people.
@@hail2jigglypuff168 It's why I think a lot of works that have something to say about society fail. They always portray the side they didn't take as these absolute ridiculous caricatures, and the side they do take as these paragons of virtue. People aren't like that in real life, so you can't relate to any of the characters, so the entire moral falls flat.
In odd way, John Redcorn was a bigger nobody when compared to Dale. Aside from being attractive hunk and ladies man, John lived in a trailer, alone, and his therapeutic massages was more of a front for his main work as a gigolo. Even John realized this, he has nothing, no family, no land, no future....until Dale, of all people, lifts him up. It was through Dale's help that he secured those 12 acres of land. Dale also sparked John's career as a successful children's entertainment performer when his own metal band was a dead end failure.
I think it also redeems John alot because once he sees Dale as a friend, rather than some guy, he stops trying to pursue Nancy and finally accepts that she's with Dale
@@almond3066 Too little too late
Hey! He's just doing that until his metal band takes off
@@gxgycf8348 it's never too late to grow and mature.
@@almond3066 True redemption is to tell Dale straight up, in private and beg Dale to not tell his son the truth.
John Redcorn also has children with other women but I guess the reason why he’s focused on Joseph is because Joseph looks like him.
Wait, seriously?? Wow.
we should also remember this is confirmed after the revival and the writing became a lot less consistent and honestly ignored john redcorn a LOT
Keep in mind that because of this, Joseph nearly got with a girl who was hinted to be John Redcorns daughter, aka, Joseph's step sister since they have the same father. Meaning him not owning up to having kids with others would have probably lead to a mid life crisis for Joseph had he discovered this later on in life.
@Dynamitewolf t4 At least Nancy tried to redeem herself.
@@airickhaiderr when did King of the Hill had a revival?
I grew up with a mother like John Redcorn.
Glad I grew up with my Grandfather's idea of judging people based on their acts towards you instead of holding a grudge with someone based on a relative they never even met doing something to a relative you never met.
My fiance is native (mohawk) and she says for all his disgusting actions, hes rarely stereotyped like most native characters in media. He isnt wise, hes extremely selfish and self absorbed. He uses his race as a tool to get what he wants or guilt trip people. When he DOES speak "of his people" or "native things" in stereotype fashion the wind comedically blows along with a flute playing every time as a running gag. She loves how a Native character is actually given character. Hes flawed and human and not a really good guy. King of the Hill was not afraid to portray a native person in a negative light and it makes the character all the more better to her
I mean, John Redcorn is the father, but dale is Joseph’s daddy.
"He might be your father but he ain't your daddy" Yondu.
nurture vs nature at it's finest
Redcorn was just the sperm donor.
John isn't the father, he's the sire.
Dale has been more of a dad to Joseph then John ever been
"That kid is a freaking mystery."
Bobby is a national treasure.
Sometimes that boy IS right, i tell you hwut
Bobby's the star
Yeah Canada
Bobby makes the show!
@@NathanTarantlawriter Not just Bobby, but the relationship between Hank and Bobby.
John should not have interfered between Bobby and Hank's relationship with Thanksgiving. Their relationship has nothing to do with what happened. He should've made Nancy choose who she was going to be with and get visitation by having a maternity test done. He has options just chose to not take accountability for his actions.
You mean a _paternity_ test.
@@PintheDog if he had a paternity test done he could get visitation with his son. That means he'd have to pay child support but he'd get the truth out and his son would know who his real biological father is. Sure would probably cause problems for the son just finding out about his mom cheating on his father who is a good dad to him. That's too bad about Dale's character dying in real life. I wonder what Nancy would do with Dale gone in the show?
@@azaleataylor8031 And then what? Everyone finds out John Redcorn fathered a bastard son (in a pretty conservative neighborhood), and praises Dale for raising someone else's son despite not needing to?
It'd also drive away the only real friend John Redcorn has, and push Joseph away even further (something like "if you really cared, why did you wait until now?")
I'm 2 years late, but John Redcorn is actually from the Puebloan tribe. The Anasazi are the ancestors of the Puebloans but vanished entirely during the Middle Ages. What caused their disappearance remains unknown.
“The white kid is more offended by this that the Native American kid” dude Joseph thinks he is white too
Joseph is half white. Soooooo
To be fair, a lot of people who aren't part of a recognized tribe do call themselves "white" because of how broad the term is in the US.
@@hyperion3145 dude almost every mexican in america identifies as white, shit, only like 100 years ago irish people weren't even considered white, and now look
@@jango7889 DNA tests have pretty much solidified who is and isn't white -- there is not much ambiguity anymore.
@@erikshure360 its not the dna its the categorization, americas categorization for "white" has changed a lot the past 300 years, give it 50 years time and a new generation of immigrants will be "white"
King of the Hill is legitimately a masterclass in interpersonal relationships. The characters have more depth than the majority of shows tbh, and they're very human when you get past the jokes.
I think that’s what so many people don’t get about it. King of the Hill is quaint, human, and the stakes are extraordinarily low even at the most intense moments the show has to offer. Despite this, it’s filled with it’s own kind of tension; the kind that forms between ordinary humans. It’s a great show and I’m glad it exists.
@@Duplicitousthoughtformentity perfect explanation i hope we get a reboot
Mike Judge is one of the smartest people in all of American entertainment.
@@ohh1065 no
@@hueylong7989 yes
What gets me is that in a future episode, Dale admits he knows about the affair but he stays with Nancy to spite Redcorn (or something to that effect)
Chad Rusty Shackleford vs Virgin John Redcorn
It was the episode where he had that attractive female exterminator who was into him.
"I didn't say anything about your friendship with John Redcorn."
Anyone notice how ironic it is for John Redcorn to drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee?
One of the best aspects of the show is Joseph is physically gifted like John redcorn but neurotic like Dale.
Nature and nurture
Nice prof pic. I love those old 3rd gens
@@steve_the_vehicon632 same to you.
@@DeadSexyAdamCheney thanks
I've been told, cannot exactly confirm, but I'm said to be Cherokee by people in my mother's family and once I stepped in a archery class and during my practice they told me my archery skills are natural/innate; I have one genetically passed trait for sure, one gift besides my artistic skills.
If John Redcorn really wanted Joseph as his son so badly he would of pressed his claim years ago when Joseph was just a baby. But he didn't so nobody at all should feel sorry for him
That's because he still wanted that sweet Nancy vaj.
Because of Nancy
But how could he really,he tries his best being as close as possible to the family. And Nancy doesn't want it to close so dale doesn't catch on.so John can't do anything more
If Redcorn had things his way, Nancy would've divorced Dale and he probably would've raised Joseph.. As for the affair with other women, he's not in a relationship or was in one with Nancy because of her wants to where he was single. Yes his playboy lifestyle is a fault like Boomhaurer but no one in the show is perfect.. Plus even if he did ignore Joseph at first, a lot of parents abandon their kids and never look back, while it's awful what they did in the past, at least some people try to move forward knowing they can't fix what happened prior.. Nancy is still more vile, granted if ya wanted to bat Redcorn, it'd be for his lack of courage and conviction towards telling the truth. If you're that bothered, you'd disregard others begging you not do it. Yes there'd be conflict and turmoil but when the dust settles, something better and honest could blossom if you put the effort. Dale would forgive Nancy most likely, maybe he'd even forgive Redcorn if he felt his neglect towards Nancy led to the affair which to be fair, the show has pointed out he does do which doesn't justify the affair but in Dale's eyes, it could
Of course. Nancy, Dale or anyone else wouldnt have been able to stop him if he really cared.
John Redcorn is a scumbaggy selfish hypocritical character that said he at least has a couple of positive traits. Not sure if he is the worst but he is definitely close to the top. Man its an amazing show.
John getting an ally in the form of Bobby, then blowing him off immediately on seeing Joeseph made me go "what the fuck" out loud.
In the words of yondu “He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy.”
Indeed.
I don't get it
@@goofybutserious4807 you probably haven’t seen guardians of the galaxy 2 then
@@denocraftedgonzalez8044 No I'm not a geek who watches generic talking trees and rad stereotypical racoons. I have a life.
@@goofybutserious4807 it’s a good movie tho
I always hated guys that knowingly sleeps with another man’s wife, especially when the husband is obviously in love with said woman. Poor Dale.
Because you put yourself in that shoes and wouldn't want that done to you either so don't convince cheating.
And the wife knowingly slept with the man while she was married and made vows😒 hate her
@@aye_papi Honestly, I don’t know who I hate more, Pre-Revelation Nancy or Post-Fall Peggy
When did Post Revelation Nancy start? Was it after Nancy's Boys?
Dale is an idiot, but he's our idiot.
I love how Bobby's exposure of the Anasazi's old cannibalistic ways further goes to show that, even if the Native Americans were victims of conquest, they were far from the peaceable innocents a lot of them claimed to be, especially with how they would conquer their fellow natives for no less noble reasons.
Oppression in only bad when other do it to you.
lol, I joke about my ancestors being cannibals, and about eating people if they piss me off. An old lady I used to work with a few years ago even taught me a joke in our native language about eating people, wish I remembered it.
I would just joke giving you smallpox and we would laugh and have some cold sodas afterwards.
For me, it's simple. Cotton is intentionally written as a reprehensible person, so you always see him as a caricature, not as a real person. John Redcorn, however, is written as someone who is supposed to engage on a relatable way with the main characters, which make his faults (his lying, his being an absentee father, etc) all the more despicable.
I dunno. Personally even as reprehensible as Cotton is, there's several moments for me that make me feel like he's a real person. The way that he's lying to some extent about what exactly he did in the war(s), for example. He definitely did something big and lost his legs in a traumatic way, but none of his retellings seem quite like they're the real deal and not just a yarn he's spinning. ( Pun intended. ) The inconsistencies portrayed in his memorabilia and people actively calling him out on BS show that whatever it was he is genuinely a real soldier who did something valorous, but we have no solid idea of just what it was. And the way he copes with it after the war and how he has moments of sadness break through his shouty personality make it seem like the caricature is a front he puts on for himself as a way to cope with some degree of dissatisfaction with his life. He has some genuine moments with his sons and the way he decided to die basically out of being dared to by Peggy came across as very real to me. I've met some people who are like that.
Cotton is a real person
John isn’t relatable
@@collinwarren197 when Cotton makes Peggy walk again, and when everyone keeps calling Kahn Chinese and Japanese and he looks him up and down and says “no, he’s Laotian” are my favorite moments with him.
Cotton earned his right to have a chip on his shoulder (got his shins blown off).
Redcorn is pissed that his easy indulgent life wasn't easier and more satisfying
I'm surprised there was no mention of Hank telling John Redcorn "She didn't leave you for (Dale), she married (Dale) two years before she met you". It's a line that best sums up why John Redcorn was in the wrong.
Damn, that should have shut Redcorn down
Uh..... just finished watching fallout 76 videos. What did you just say?
@@ricky-sanchez what is the point of your comment
@@wool578 Clearly, he wanted to ask for clarification on what the OP said. Didn't hear them over his game lol.
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I'm native American and I never did like redcorn. He's just sooo full of bs.😂
And never felt bad for him He chose not to be in Joseph's life until it was too late .
John might be Joseph's biological father but Dale will always be his dad
Dale wasn't Joseph's father, but he was his daddy. And he loves him. That's all that matters.
@Bruce Crosby yes amen to all
It matters that his wife was unfaithful. It matters that joseph Isn't dales son. It matters that john red corn doesn't raise his child.
@MK912 are you sure?
@@chadchadwick1444 who hurt you?
@@jayypimpinofficial7262 disgusted and hurt are not the same thing.
Dale LOVES Joseph. He's a bit strange, but he would do anything for Joseph.
John needs to back the hell down.
I know right? theres an episode where Joseph has a nightmare and wakes up screaming, and Dale just burst in,guns ready because nobody's gonna hurt his kid. When Joseph tells him he had a bad dream, Dale is just like 'oh...well how about I read you a bedtime story?"
@@ruyekahatori3073 awe
@@ruyekahatori3073 Yeah I remember it was the cutest thing.
Edit: And the way Joseph looked at his dad with such loving adoration was so so sweet.
Joseph is John red corns biological son. Back the hell down? You must not have any children. As a parent that’s impossible.
It's funny to me that it took so long for Redcorn to actual realize he should and does care about the child he fathered. The problem is he was never the child's father. He was just a sperm donor.
2:52 this is such a refreshing way of describing it. instead of calling them “snowflakes” shady simply acknowledges that some issues are too personal for some people.
If this episode was made today, 100% it would be on JR's side. It would be afraid to show a complicated issue with no good answer and just claim "blah blah systemic racism"
Nancy absolutely did not deserve Dale. He might have been a conspiracy nut, but he was pure.
Exactly. She did Dale dirty in the worst way possible and never confessed. Ugh Dale loved her so much
The sad thing too is it’s not a shallow love for dale, a lot of people might say “of course dale loves her, he’s a balding nut and she’s super attractive” but later episodes had Nancy going bald which she attributed to being with dale so she had the conflict of staying with dale but lose her hair or split and go with John redcorn and keep her hair. Thankfully Nancy chose dale and at the end of the episode dales right there with her in a wig shop helping her pick out wigs so she can keep her job as a weather woman.
It must be very stressful being married to Dale and having to listen to his conspiracy theories.
Dude was crazy but loyal.
@@AB-ct3kj ah so that's it. Cheating on your husband is just blowing off steam.
He doesn't just have an illegitimate son, he also has an illegitimate daughter by another woman. And who knows how many more there might be out there with the way he gets around.
Kate is her name and she only appears I believe once. She and Joseph were born days apart. Yet we know nothing else of their relationship after the one episode she was in
He sleeps with countless married women. Multigenerational racism/theft is f*cked up and complicated, but banging married women is extremely preventable lmao.
Redcorn seems to be doing it soley to get back the white man.
He never cared about Joseph as a person only that he was part NA. Which is a huge problem non-white communities.
Honestly, in real life people need to get over it and leave white people alone.
Especially when they bring up things they didn't experience.
I never knew he had another child. How many married women was he sleeping with?
The worst part was that Kate and Joseph almost kissed each other, never knowing they were half siblings🤮
How about that time Hank had a dream about Nancy and John Redcorn threw a jealous temper tantrum over it. Hank only had a dream about her, yet John who had been sleeping with a married woman for years, got incredibly possessive over her and basically threatened Hank, a long time friend, over it.
He’s even admitted to Hank that he would not “heal” Peggy like he does with other people’s wives, basically admitting that Nancy is not the only married woman he’s sleeping around with.
I can at least give Nancy some props for ending the relationship and genuinely trying to work on her marriage to Dale, but John Redcorn will always be the dog crapping in another dog’s kennel…
I cant believe this show gaslit me into believing 12 ackers was small
I think it was more John Redcorn's arrogance than the writer's. Also, I love how Hank points out to him that no one individual is responsible for the actions of several people centuries ago. He's proud of just having an eighth of an acre of land, but somehow, having 96 times that amount is nothing to John Redcorn?
John: I took your wife.
Dale: I took your son.
Hmm are you sure you aren't The Question because you surely look awfully simillar to him
@@emanuelgabrielpopa5248 Oh, so all white guys with no face look the same to you? He could be the Slender Man for all you know.
@@emanuelgabrielpopa5248 bruh he said he's not the question wtf
But the wife is still with Dale and he's plowing her too.
Me: he was never his son....but how your biological daughter
One thing that's great about the show: every character is a genuine believable human being.
Great comment
Except Cotton. He got his shins blown off and went from being 6’4 to 5’0. Plus he died on purpose once Peggy told him that she wants him to live forever. And a few other unbelievable things he’s done.
@@BD-1-And-Only He lost a foot, four inches, that isn't that weird to be shortened by. Oh, and his whole "dying out of spit" thing seems pretty real as well, especially for a WWII vet like him, and what those men were like.
Yes, which is why the show that proceeded it is so baffling to me. In Texas, we often say we literally know the characters of king of the hill. KOTH is the most realize portrayal of North East Texas it's amazing. These aren't just cartoons, they're my friends and neighbors and coworkers *to a T!* And then the Goode Family came out. Every single character was a mean-spirited caricature! Even Beavis and Butthead had more realize characters than the Goode Family. Goddamn.
Not really. There's like 5 characters that aren't believable.
That intro was like the spiritual antithesis of the "wait a minute: I'm white!" scene from The Boondocks.
Hank: who changed Joseph diapers you or some alien!?!
Dale: I did
Hank: and who took Joseph to his first day of kindergarten!?!
Dale: I did
Hank: and who taught Joseph to tie his shoes!?
Dale: John Redcorn
Hank: uh ok but who taught him to ride a bike?
Dale: John Redcorn, he taught Joseph and Joseph taught me
Doesn't this bit of story kind of contradict a lot of the other show. Like if John Redcorn actually taught Joseph how to ride a bike why is he so standoffish now? That's a pretty fatherly move that kinda goes against a line of thought I see on TH-cam of people saying "John was never there he was just there for the puss" idk the show kinda wrote itself into this.
Love that exchange. I love that whole episode too. Hilarious father role reversal, with Hank and Bobby ending up the sane ones bailing out father and son.
Classic
@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu not really,
Riding a bike and tying shoes are something you learn at a really young age. We see how Joseph’s relationships with dale and John is when he’s a pre teen and going in to his teenage years throughout the show. In the earlier seasons Joseph had a pretty good relationship with dale while John was mostly seen with Nancy. In the later seasons when he was a teenager Joseph didn’t care much about his relationship with dale and didn’t care at all about John while John decided he wanted to be in his life
I forgot about the bike thing!
The episode in where Dale is getting personal with a pigeon exterminator, and Nancy was getting jealous with him even telling him not to go out with her. Dale just tell her that he never told her not to go out with Red Corn, and she didn't have nothing to say.
And Dale never said "I'm Joseph's father," he said "I'm Joseph's dad." It makes him one of the more intelligent ones in the show. He knew the deal. Was he hurt? Yes, but he also knew someone had to step up to take care of an innocent life that had no choice in the matter. He may not of had a bio-child, but he wore the badge of dad very proudly. Was he perfect? No, but he tried his best and lived his son unconditionally, which is more than you can even say for hank at times.
@@crystalmorgan8039 also John red corn was a bit unstable , not the best dad trait.
@@TheDoorspook11c let's be real, Dale with all his shortcomings is a MUCH better father to Joseph than John Redcorn . Dale cares about Joseph and his wife, has a stable job and lives in a decent neighbourhood with friendly neighbours. John Redcorn is a gigolo and a "masseur" (even though he's not very good at it apparently). He lives in a trailer and is a narcisistic p.o.s. . The reason why he wants to bond with Joseph is not out of love, is because he's "HIS" son. If he was a man of character he could have stepped up when Nancy was pregnant and actually face the consequences. He didn't care enough then.. and i know Nancy wouldn't have wanted that, but she is not the boss of him, if you really wanted a son with this woman you could have done a hundred things differently.
What made it even funnier was John redcorn of all people was telling Nancy not to let dale go lol.
"Canibalism was a long time ago... but colonialism still counts" . Terrible human being
I always found this to be true when looking at native history, the name they use in the show means 'enemy' and isn't even their name (they had many). Its just like Natives were human and not mythical, hurts peoples feelings or something...I just hated red corn for being a playboy type I saw often in my youth with the newly divorced moms lol
To be fair, in the real world context it is easier to see how colonialism affects certain groups today more than others than cannibalism.
The issue is that instead of arguing about the relevance of colonialism and ultimately how to address it, Redcorn is using it to discriminate against white peoples like Dale who did nothing wrong because he cannot accept his own shittiness. Asking the government for the protection of tribal lands is different than accusing individuals of being complicit in crimes that happened centuries earlier due to their skin color. Asking people to reconsider government policies that may disproportionately affect certain groups of people is far different than asking Dale to give back Joseph, who is Dale’s son.
John Redcorn can go eat shit.
He is CORRECT on that. There is no relation between those points. What Bobby brought up is entirely besides the point, and has no connection to anything. Just an ignorant gotcha, used by bigots, to dismiss legitimate grievances.
700+ years ago weren't Redcorn's people, and no one is still suffering from what happened that long ago. The labels we use today, to describe ancient cultures, were not how those societies viewed themselves. Individual societies rarely last longer than 200 years. So there is an extreme difference, between what happened to ancient ancestors, vs what happened to families less than 200 years ago, who're still suffering from systemic issues TODAY as a result.
@@GrumpDog so, should all grievences be dropped after 200 years?
@@heatseeker9573 It's not the number that matters.. It's the fact the families it happened to are still alive, still suffering, and still disadvantaged in our society, as DIRECT result of events that happened much less than 200 years ago!
Heck, the injustices were STILL happening less than 100 ago! So what point are you trying to make?
Thing is Dale does know. He mentions in passing that Joseph was a 'miracle' because the doctors told him he was sterile. Dale is willing to go along because HE wants a son. And it gives him vengeance against Redcorn, everything on paper says Joseph is his. So Redcorn has to watch a man he considers his inferior in every way raise his son, because he was to much a coward to support Nancy enough to divorce Dale and marry him. They played it off like he was just clueless, but he snickers when Redcorn drives up that episode.
"Wait a second...I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!"
This had me laughing so hard, my stepdad came in to see if I was okay.
Did you show him the opening, and did he laugh too?
@@hariman7727 He did! Lol
Welcome to the club cabron
he's not even making fun he's just criticizing (rightfully so) a fictional character.
@@SupHapCak True, true
I still hate Nancy more as at least John suffers consequences for his actions of not seeing his son etc. But Nacy gets off Scott free and gets to keep her son/ marriage.
I hate Nancy too. Part of me wished Dale cheated on her with the female exterminator.
She doesn't totally get off scot free. She does have to pay all the bills minus the cable bill pretty much on her own. She even gives Dale an allowance, so Dale basically doesn't have to seriously work a day in his life. Nancy also has to deal with the stresses of various things including the guilt she feels about the affair, Dale's numerous crazy antics, and silencing anyone who comes to find out about the affair including all her neighbors. She ends up losing her hair as a result and she has to walk around wearing a wig for the rest of her life (though Dale gives her comfort about it). Karma does bite her a little.
@@lucasmartinez5703 That's true. Damn, I forgot about that episode of her losing her hair and having to wear a wig for the rest of her life!
Welcome to reality. A lot of women do this kind of shit and get off easy. The courts have been ruined by feminism.
"Not seeing his son" bruh, he almost always sees him when he's visiting Nancy... also they hang out sometimes and Joseph always likes Redcorn more than Dale
EDIT: My bad. I completely remembered it wrong. They never hung out and I kinda remember them hunting in the woods.
Makes me think of that line in Guardians of the galaxy. "He may be your father but he's not your daddy."
A wise old rat once told me "All fathers love their sons." I always thought that he meant that you are only a father if you love your child. John Redcorn doesn't love Joseph, he loves the idea of having a son without settling down or taking responsibility.
Dale: Do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving?
John: We did. *Once.*
My favorite KOTH joke😂👌
My favorite joke was when Kahn first moved in and he was explaining that he's Laotian
@@KenjiAsakura09 …so are you Chinese or Japanese.
*brief introduction about being Laotian*
Modern Hank: …so are you Vietnamese or Korean?
Edit: that’s one of my favorites too😂👌
The Anasazi wouldn't have celebrated thanksgiving even once though, since they weren't anywhere near the east coast. The joke doesn't actually make sense.
@@Byssbod true but I guess the video speaks on that. John Redcorn has a victim mentality so it wouldn’t surprise me that he ironically generalized all Native Americans (tribes) like that😂🤔
@@LordWyatt true enough!
As a Native American whose seen too many young boys never know their father I give all races permission to criticize John Redcorn:
Same here. Here’s a permission slip other races 📝
Yeah but me as a native agrees with John corn with my land, people stole this land
@@cerberuskane5061 As true as that is, John Redcorn still isn’t within a hundred-mile radius of having the right to compare it to his own complicated love life.
...Which is a weird thing to criticize Redcorn for considering that he's trying to be a father to Joseph ...and Joseph isn't hurting for a dad anyway because Dale is a surprisingly good father.
@@olliegoria M E O W S E R S
As many times as it's been said, it's amazing how far ahead of it's time this show was.
Redcorn: "I waited for 2 1/2 hours....."
DUDE! Joseph LOVES his bike. Loves to use it anytime he is able too. And IF he did accepted your ride to take him home, he STILL has to get his bike back! GOD!!!
I'm surprised the school didn't call the cops. I guess it really was different in the 90s. "I'm calling from Tom Landry Middle School in Arlen. There is a strange truck and it has been here for almost 3 hours."
Reminders: He got another child he don’t want to spend time or try to pursuit
Didn't he have a daughter that eventually moved in with him? Granted she only showed up in one episode, so it might not count.
@@aguyhere7945 Yea I think her mom moved in with John Redcorn But then we never seen them or talk about them again. And King of The Hill is no stranger of bringing up old things
In one episode Bill's girlfriend has a daughter that's John's as well if I remember correctly
@@yesididstopsayingididntspe4926 yes and Dale thinks its his daughter and doesn’t want Joseph to be with her and gets John Redcorn to intervene.
Holy shit I watched this whole video and that fact slipped my mind, what a vile human being
If you think about it Dale wins in the end
-Nancy Ultimately chooses him over John
-Joseph idolizes and adores him
-He has a good life
overall despite being a insane conspiracy nut
Dale has a good live
Wow, it is such a accomplisment when a whore chooses You over another man 😂
John also has a terrible life. He lives in a trailer down by the river. He has few meaningful relationships, the main ones being with the friends and husband of his ex mistress. He has multiple children who do not know him or each other in the local area, and he knows this. He is poor and has a limited business that barely provides for him for the majority of the show, it gets better for him at the end of the show but he was becoming a better person at that time.
@@swimmingmide
Agreed
I wish they delved just a bit more into John and why he is like that. Man is a talented musician and is in perfect shape. Yet never takes advantage of it instead takes from others. It could be showing that John is a hypocrite because he takes from others all the time.
Idk either way I’m just happy Dale won in the end
@@swimmingmide adding to this, he is despicable for not coming out to the children because there is a phenomenon where siblings not raised together can become attracted to one another because of their similarities. So he can be setting up a lot of people for perverse heart break.
The older i get the less like a crazy conspiracy theroistdale becomes 😅
RIP RUSTY SHACKLEFORD
Would a biological parent like John have a right to visutation or partial custody Joseph if he let the cat out of the bag and demanded a paternity test when the kid is like 13? I guess it depends on local family courts. Maybe reruns of Maury would help in researching this too.
It would be up to a court case. More than likely, Joseph would get a big say in whether or not that happens because of how old he is. John would have a hard time in a court though because he'd have to explain why he waited 13 years and it does not look good for him since his affair with Nancy lasted for so long. Also, at this point in the show, John was not making a ton of money which I'm told is a heavy factor in these situations. If he did it after he became a celebrity, he'd have a better chance.
@@ShadyDoorags Just found your channel and enjoying it btw. Cool to see someone covering some Daria episodes too.
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. John would no doubt argue it's important that Joseph learn about his culture. Which is important but John's weird personal history with the Gribbles is...a lot.
Another moment that really cements John's scummyness is when Dale catches him climbing over the tractor into Nancy's window and tells him to get in there and massage his wife. Then Redcorn says "He's kind of taking the fun out of this."
Not only is it funny but it shows that Redcorn actually takes pleasure not just sexually, but he enjoys the thrill of backstabbing his friend.
Okay, that makes me think that Dale does know, doesn't care, and just wants to raise his son and stick with his wife no matter what, because he made a vow, and he chose to see Joseph as his son.
well that's a cynical way of seeing it. the other is he acknowledges the undeniable thrill of doing something you're not supposed to, not that he's deliberately hurting a friend FOR that thrill, since he's gonna do it anyway and Dale's never gonna find out.
John Redcorn also got suicidal when his casino got shutdown but not when he lost his son. He also has a daughter he didn’t really care about.
@@KairuHakubi doesn't make it not messed up that he thinks going behind a man's back and sleeping with his wife is "fun"
@@floricel_112 thrill of the hunt. that's not messed up at all. the messed up part is actually doing it. hell, denying it's fun would be what's messed up.
I loved the episode when Peggy actually wanted a massage from John and she just didn't know what was going on between John and Nancy. Hank actually had to explain it to Peggy! Hank said that Peggy and Dale were the only 2 people in town who didn't know about John and Nancy.
And Joseph too. Bobby knows and doesn't really care.
@@YujiUedaFan Though its implied he finds out later in the series (the episode Shady talks about) but yeh- Even Bobby seems to know. I remember something like Joseph was talking about his dad and Bobby responds with "John Redcorn?"
I know Bobby figured it out, but I forgot if it was on screen.
I watched this November 2023 so technically it's close enough to thanksgiving. You did a great job
12 acres of land for anyone seeing this comment btw is apparently bigger then several football fields. And yet John is insulted cause the land he wants is about as big as a city.
I think special notice should go to the fact that it was DALE (spoony, air-headed, conspiracy nut) that managed to weasel 12 acres of land from the GOVERNMENT! 12 acres as you say a lot of land, and expensive as hell to boot, and this fool somehow managed it by himself...that madness!👺
The sad thing is Dale actually helped him get back some of his people's land.
It showed John that he (Dale) is a better man than him.
I thought the Ancestral Pueblo were largely in New Mexico and Arizona though?
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken Bill Whittle said it best, the Clovis Man was here first.
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken who tf told you indigenous natives were cannibals? We don’t eat people
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken pretend? Let me generalize white people and say they like to sleep where they shit and back it up with historical facts. Let’s see if you aren’t offended. Kiss my ass know it all, I watched the video
in my head canon, "wait a second, i'm black" is a parody on The Boondocks' "wait a second, i'm white"
Come back here!
"This is a PERFECTLY good moment to throw YOUR life away!"🧐
I had the same thought and it was done so well here.
I fucking love that show. It aged so well
Ima keep it real with chief, I just saw that video, and this video was recommended next
My issue with John Redcorn (Myself being an Oklahoma native and FULL member of the Cherokee Tribe), is that he is like many city-born Native Americans that never visit reservations, speak their tribal language or check their history outside of white Liberal teachings.
The Apache, Shawnee and Comanche chased many tribes out of their lands, slaughtered clans (there are clans within every tribe) and often complain the most about "stolen land". I can't speak for OTHER tribes but as a Cherokee, PITY is not something I appreciate (it's offensive) and the 5 Civilized Tribes found a way to communicate and work with the US Government and now has the Cherokee Nation, which has semi-sovereignty. And we do NOT tell the common "ALL white people ALWAYS kill and steal from Native Americans, ALL Native Americans are perfect human beings that NEVER do wrong!", but rather acknowledge there were wrongs on BOTH sides, as well as terrible miscommunications.
I celebrate Thanksgiving. Thankful for all that I have. And I resent these city-born scumbags that demand more charity and pity from whites. I would rather just be able to go through my life like an American and keep my tribal traditions in my own way, WITHOUT guilt-tripping, shaming or PAN-HANDLING whites because of conflicts that happened SO LONG AGO.
There is a commenter above you who claims that KOTH was made by "the oppressor" who is basically the exact person you're talking about. @calvinevans6347. Maybe you should have a talk with him lol
There's a quote i usually use when i talk about this type of topics in Spanish is "padre es el que cria, no el que engendra" or "a father is the who raises you" dale may not be related to joseph but he is his father, he loves and cares for that kid and that's everything a father needs to do
another thing that made me hate John Redcorn is when Hank had a wet dream about Nancy and he told Dale. Like okay John you’ve been having an affair with her for over a decade but you gotta tell Dale about Hanks wet dream smh
Dude.....I remember that. I also though that was a d*ck move.
To be fair, John does owe Dale a lot.
@@beastwarsFTW - No he doesn’t. Nancy does.
@@notyourfrind9415 I forgot that happened too. I particularly wouldn’t rank that episode amongst the best but F John Redcorn for that.
@@lebabyjames2724
Dale got him his land and helped him with his failing music career.
I'm from the south and the reason he's never referred to as just "John" is because a lot of southern people share the same simple names like Bill and John. We refer to a lot of people by their full names except for immediate friends, like they do in the show
And "Redcorn" is one of those rarer surnames, in this case I presume for cultural reasons, that it would be hard _not_ to use as well. It's just too perfect as a way to address him.
I've lived in the south my whole life and have never experienced that, unless you're like, acknowledging someone from afar that you arent close with
Its funny because that happens if your name is too common or not common at all. I used to mostly go by my last name in school, everyone knows a David no one knows a Teachout. (Yes its teach+out)
This was common where I grew up in the Midwest as well
Usually for my friends and stuff we just say each other’s last name. Or some stupid nickname.
I can’t say John Redcorn is the “worst” person in that show because everyone in the show has some awfulness in some ways and some fine qualities to compliment them.
But yeah, he is pretty hard to find a reason to like him.
He does have nice cheek bones
“She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But everyday since he was born I’ve been taking my revenge. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He’ll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his grave loving me and never do much as looking in John Redcorn’s direction. His children, his grandchildren, they’ll love me too Hank. And they’ll never know Redcorn existed. That’s revenge Hank.”
-Dale
Thank you to whoever posted that on 4chan.
I always thought that too.
Dale wouldn't turn Joseph into a pawn for his revenge
@@elgatochurro He loves Joseph as *his* son. That’s the best part, he doesn’t need to use his son as a pawn as he’s just doing what a normal father will do, which is loving his son. The revenge is secondary to that.
Dale isn't nearly clever enough to pull something like that off. Remember when he thought Hank had betrayed him and nearly had a mental breakdown?
@@greghannibal No, but this is still Dale's revenge without him knowing it. It really pains John Redcorn that he can never have a relationship with Joseph.
No matter how crappy John is we can all appreciate Dale as a god tier father
It's hilarious how people forgot Dale literally encouraged him to kill a panda and hang out with the wrong crowd
@@Grab123on
It's amazing how Redcorn defenders forget that he chose to screw with a married woman and preferred to keep the married woman over his own child.
@@irvinmorales1409 that's literally impossible to forgot. I'm not even defending him, haven't you also heard the theory that Dale knows and he also knows the worst punishment is never letting John acknowledge that that's his son and John will suffer since Joseph will always see Dale as his father.
Yes, it's an endearing trait that it's pretty much the one thing Dale does unironically well.
@@Grab123onWhich he did because he genuinely believed it was for Joseph's better well-being. Misguided? Yes, extremely. But it was still done out of love for his son.
To quote "Fonzie" about living in the past (and digging up past) ...."People who live in the past are usually DEAD."
Half way through I realized this was created from the perspective of either a father who stepped up, or a kid who had a stepfather.
It’s honestly pretty messed up that everyone in the neighborhood knows about the affair but none of Dale’s supposed friends have the decency to tell him.
Mostly because they know it would destroy him. You think Dale has the mental health to be able to deal with the fact his beloved Nancy cheated on him for 14 years??
@@Sphynxle I don't even think "mental health" adequately describes it...Dale is unhinged. He would build a Killdozer over less.
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck He absolutely would.
The guy is a paranoid nutcase. Telling him the only 2 people he trusts implicitly betrayed him would destroy him
Fake friends would tell him immediately
My take on John Redcorn is this: if he really loved Joseph and wanted to be his father he would be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Nancy for that. He would be willing to bear the burden of being the guy who hurt everyone by making the secret public.
Would prolly be willing to do all that before 14 years of only being the guy who he basically only sees when he's coming to visit mommy while daddy is at work. Seems like the dude made no effort because he only cared about Nancy and didn't start caring about Joseph really until they broke up. Getting a strong vibe that he just wants to cling to Joseph because he came out of their relationship. It's like a parent fighting for custody of a child they never cared about during a divorce. Just being selfish and possessive.
@@MadeInTheAbyss "Respects the fuck out of Dale" fucking his wife is the strongest way to show respect. You might be right about that later on in the show but not by this episode. I doubt the killing everybody thing too because he's shown to be pretty incompetent at just about everything even killing things (except small animals) and standing up for himself.
@@MadeInTheAbyss Dale, for his faults, is still a good person. I doubt that he would try to hurt or kill his family or friends, and I'm even more doubtful that he'd be successful if he tried. More likely is that he'd try to take his own life out of despair and rationalizing that John Redcorn would be a better mate and father to Nancy and Joseph respectively, and even in his despair I think he'd want what's best for them, but he'd likely fail at that too.
@@jayb8934 Nancy doesn't deserve it though.
@@stonehallow
Yeah thats the point. He does respect Dale. Which is why he stops what he is doing despite Nancy wanting to continue. Even flat out says no because they are now friends. He says the same thing to Hank. That he never would because they are friends. He can be scummy but he is mostly a good person.
This episode was him struggling about trying not to hurt Dale and find a way to be there for his son at the same time. Which Nancy just tells Joesph the truth.
I'm one of these people you called out in the beginning 😅 I'm still here, because I hate victim mentality, too (even my own), and John is a prime example of that.
Sure, he can be sympathetic. Watching your own flesh and blood growing up without you, when you have no perspective on getting into contact with them or getting new kids on your own... that's rough, and prone to regrets.
Not to mention confusing feelings of entitlement and blind rage... so it's easy to turn into a hypocrite. And I respect the show for tackling that subject at all.
... that is, if you actually show that regret. But as far as the clips go, John Redcorn is stuck with entitlement. He doesn't want to confront the harsh truths of his adultery, he sees that child as his property... and that's more or less frowned upon by parents of any culture, regarded of oppression background.
So even if this was an actual open courtroom drama and not him brainwashing another person to get back at his mistress, he would probably lose.
And quite frankly, his mistress treats him like shit and does take no responsiblity either, so if anything, he should break all bridges and go looking for a real wife.
Not to mention in one episode Peggy was getting healed by John Redcorn and John told Hank something like dont worry i’ll never heal your wife the way I heal other people’s wives. So he may have cheated with more than just Nancy. He also ended up getting back together with one of his exs and raising his daughter, i think the ex at the time was dating Bill
"May have" 😂
John Redcorn is a deadbeat dad that regrets his actions being a part of his biological son's life even though another man has raised said son and has CONTINUED to raise said son.
I’m not even real deep into King of the Hill but his bullshit was clear to me within a few episodes.
"Wait a second, I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!"
That had me rolling. I love when YT's recommended videos are this good.
Lol that cracked me the hell up too.
Instant sub lol
Honestly, same. That won me over 🤣
Best intro.^^
I'm not sure what the joke was.
Shady: “But before we dive into exactly what makes John Redcorn the worst human being that ever existed;”
Ezra Miller, Hitler, and Dan Schneider: Hold our Beers.
as much as the whole affair situation sucks and i sympathise with Dale and Joseph, Dale really did get the best revenge by raising Joseph well and having a bond with him that John won't ever have.
The moment that did it for me was in one of the Christmas episodes. To summarize the episode, Hank was throwing a Christmas party for all their friends, but, a few days before, an old woman who grew up in the Hill's house shows up wanting to die there. Hank kicks her out and she ends up faking her death at a bus station so that she can sneak back into the Hill house without raising suspicion. During the party, John Redcorn tells someone "I was going to boycott this party in protest of Hank's treatment of the elderly, but then I heard Bill is my secret Santa and he always gives cool gifts." This really shows that, despite his outward noble, semi mystical persona, his principles are always purely surface level, and he will abandon them at the first opportunity if it means he gets something, material or otherwise, out of it.
Think that was just a joke
@@hsimpson7267 Sometimes jokes reveal deep truths
okay tbh that's fucking hilarious, john redcorn got them priorities straight
Jokes are just a way to say uncomfortable truths that people don't want to accept.@@hsimpson7267
@@aomais_even if they are selfish as hell, they are at least straight which gotta count for something.
Invades marriage, colonizes uterus. Spends life concealing it, fails to confess his own sins.
"Colonizes uterus" is the funniest way to describe it
He really did colonize her uterus
Sounds like John Redcorn is actually Canadian
I long for some confrontation that goes like.
"Joseph is not your child!"
"Ah, but he *is* my son and I'm the only daddy he knows. You're just his mother's weird friend."
Then John Redcorn tries to take a swing and everybody in the alley looks at him like he's the asshole.
Ironic
There hasn't been any "anasazi" for almost 1000 years🙄
Well, now I want to see this guy take down the new Proud Family cartoon.
John Recorn has always been one of my least favorite characters on King of the Hill as well, mostly because of the affair with Nancy thing.
Also his band. It sucked John!
When you say "Least favorite" you don't mean actually badly written right? Because his affair with Nancy isn't meant to be seen in a positive light.
LMAO dude it's a cartoon
@@paulk.794 doesn't mean you can't hate a character.
Also, let's not forgot JOHN REDCORN HAS A DAUGHTER THE SAME AGE AS JOSEPH that both he and Nancy know about. however, he doesn't try to get into that child's life either. Therefore, in my mind, he's more infatuated with Nancy moreso than being a father to Joseph. 😫 ALSO also, Bill was willing to raise the daughter, which makes TWO people he knows that would be raising both his children "unwittingly". So yeah, that's the crux of my disdain for Redcorn.
Doesn't he end up with that kid's mom by the end of the episode?
@@crimzon16 no, he and the mom are just on better terms. And the daughter doesnt know. It was an odd episode as the daughter and Joseph end up having crushes on each other.
@@LilViper510oh alright, it's been a while since seen it.
He didn’t find out about her until that episode and at the end they moved in with him.
The next we see of him he’s basically a cameo where he’s only there just to have all the side characters he present.
I won’t disagree with you on that he clearly focused more on Joseph because it’s clear he sees his situation as the divorced dad who doesn’t get to see his son. Despite the fact he never tried to get Nancy to leave Dale before they broke up.
Actually I don't think Nancy knew about the daughter. I recall it being news to her as well and it basically proved to her that Redcorn was sleeping around behind her back during their affair.