I test Astro hopper Vs Star sense apps what's best?
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I have been using Astrohopper for 4 months and it works fine.
At times it is off when 1st orientating...I touch the hand symbol in upper corner...then orientate the phone screen to align on whatever im using as a start point...hit align...done.
I re-align usually ever 2 targets ,so far it has been working pretty good...when a target is off...its usually very close and requires a bit of moving ep a bit to find...in this case I realign....I have been able to find so much using Astrohopper.
As for the issue of touching the screen...I use a stylus makes life easier😁
Thank you for that update after this video. I’m done another two on Astro hopper where I finally figured it out and I show the viewers how it’s done.
On the third video of Astro hopper it’s two minutes how to work it step-by-step anyway, thank you for the information
I've used Astro Hopper and I love it works well when you get familiar with it
Yes, thank you for the comments and watching the video. I don’t another video after this one actually two videos after this one where I sure how to use it once I got the hang of it.
I think the quality of the sensors in an individual phone can have a big impact. When i manually center on my first star, the Astrohopper map is way off. Sometimes so far that i have to set it to manual and drag it across 30 degrees of sky to even get it on the screen. A related issue, when i goto a star and re-align, it seems to erase the current alignment, so i have to drag it across the sky again even to get back to where i just was. Its as if it doesnt keep tabs on any alignment done so far and starts from scratch every time. It would be better if it could fine tune on top of alignments done so far in a session.
Those are two very good points and I’m sure the creator since he watches my channel. He may see this and that’s why I guess on my first video I said it could be tweaked and get better.
I’m using currently an iPhone 13 Pro, which isn’t too old only two years old but you could be correct somebody with a much older type of phone could be less accurate as well
I appreciate the comment and you watching the video. I look forward to your next comments on the next video. Cheers.
I was able to find Uranus using astrohopper after aligning on Jupiter. The thing I noticed is that with high inclination the app wasn't able to track the sky anymore, but that could be a sensor issue of the smart phone that I used. Guess the compass works best with the phone being horizontally.
Also after the phone went to sleep, the alignment had to be done again.
Thanks for that info. I’m sure people will find that interesting.
I know the Astro hopper may not be perfect. It still has its glitches. I think StarSense is a bit better, but for something that’s free and mostly helps people overall.
Thanks for watching
Making all your mistakes live is very brave.
I think thats what makes a good video it shows that evil people like you need to review stuff are human I think more people can relate to that
Agree. Thank you for sharing the challenges and your experience. Thank you for crediting Mr Astrohopper…kudos to him.
@@scottm599 you’re welcome
In this video I purposely wanted to not use it before I made the video so it would show what a new person using this application would be like
If I had used it a dozen times and then just did a polished video. I don’t think it would’ve been accurate, so I wanted to do it with all my mistakes.
However, in the next video that I did of the Astro hopper, I think I understood my pitfalls and I show how you can use it much easier check it out and tell me what you think
Thanks for watching
There’s a reason why the starsense app and module use a mirror for on the fly plate solving, you need it to accurately point at objects time after time in one session. Celestron would not have spent the time and money on such a complex module if it weren’t necessary, I can invent a three wheeled car and save you money on tires but it won’t handle very well.
I think this free app does have merit and it is possible with more practice. It can get easier and better and it could be a good second place alternative for the people that don’t want to buy the star sense telescopes
As the video shows when I was finding the four or five items with a StarSense, it’s much easier and faster
But I think in this hobby, it’s good to have a second option .
I hear there’s lots of people using Astro hopper. Would you be willing to give it a try?
@@JoeJaguar I would, will look into it.
@@StargazerFS128 that would be cool if a few more people try it and then tell me was I doing something wrong maybe I was doing it right or if there’s a better way to enter and find these objects with that particular ass would be good to know again I really like the StarSense and I spent a good time and money to get it right but there’s nothing wrong with a second option or another item that comes in second place
I find AstroHopper easy to use and it gets me very close to all the objects. At least as good as I can determine what is center of the eyepiece. I'd like to see if a level Dobsonian improves the accuracy. I use a Pixel 7
After the third time using it, finally understood I’m not sure if you seen that next video of the Astro hopper
The third Astro hopper video is just a short two minutes step-by-step for the people who have not used it or still find it hard
After using both the Astro hopper is cheaper you do not need a module, but I still find the StarSense still faster and easier. However, it’s good to have a choice.
Thanks for watching in your comment
@@JoeJaguar thank you Joe. I watched the follow up video. It was helpful and closer to my experience. Astrohopper is great for us new to astronomy and using push-to scopes.
@@craigstorms2899 you’re welcome and thank you for watching
Great video! I love this app idea and you are right its pretty revolutionary for sure. Its nice to see that you are praising this gentleman that created the AstroHopper app for free BTW.
Thanks for watching the video and thanks for your comment. Yeah I believe there’s great potential here I am in talks with the creator of this app and I’m going to do a second video trying to see if I can do it even better and maybe even asking a few different people to try it out both systems and get there and their input
Joe
You do need to constantly re-aline the Astro Hopper for it to track properly
Yeah, I found that out. I’ve done two videos after this and I did get it to work but you’re always realigning on the nearest bright star of the constellation before you look in an item it’s not bad I think starsense is better but of course Astro hopper is free.
Thanks for your reply and your comments and watching the video
First of all I like your video for several reasons:
1. I see some confusion regarding use of the app. Maybe better instructions. Have you noticed that the star you aligned on isn't actually one you wanted to it would solved your lots of headache - so It maybe UX question or maybe manual needs to be improved
2. Safari and its zoom is highly problematic. I don't own iPhone myself (I'm android guy) I just wonder if the wrong selection of alignment star is a bug related to borken pinch zoom or not.
3. Finally I suggest to start hopping between visible stars to see how it works and get used to the UI/UX. There was lots of iterations to make good UX but probably better tutorials are needed.
Other than that - thanks for kind words and I wish more developers would join. Finally it is open-source
Yeah, I appreciate you watching the video and your comments I wasn’t there to put you down in anyway
I’m basically just trying to help and see what would be better for the amateur community and I do see that you put a lot of time and work into it and I have to praise you for that
I am not really a Apk guy. I guess I’m old-school if I can see constellations and stars, I just star hop however, I have use lots of go tos as well
I have never used Safari or Stellarium, so I don’t know all the features at all and I would say I’m a very newbie person when it comes to those two apps
The only thing I can say, I didn’t need to know any of those apps or settings like Stellarium and Safari like I have even the first time I use StarSense it was just so easy to use. I just touch the screen it tells me where to go to the object, then I continue to the next object after that and then the next object after that so normally, I don’t even look at the Settings as well on StarSense and I’ve been very happy so for a brand new person that knows absolutely nothing it is a very easy system to use
Your system is also amazing that it’s free but I definitely found it much harder now again, maybe with those few pit chips that you pointed out today and if I keep trying a few more times with me finding stuff a lot easier for me in the future
However, again, just pointing out the StarSense I don’t need to know any of those things and I just have to align on anything and then I can literally find 20 3050 items in a night if I wanted to
So again, it was nice talking to you. It was amazing that you made this product. I don’t know if I’m the only one that had these issues or maybe again as I sent a video maybe we can improve on it which is nothing wrong with that
Again, thanks for watching. Appreciate it. Cheers.
Maybe I’ll do another video after another couple months of using it more and see how much easier it gets and taking all this information that you give me and we’ll see where were at at that time
I guess my final point to be I’m just looking at it from the standpoint of somebody like me that doesn’t know much about apps or telescopes or anything astronomy related like star names and constellations. What day find it even harder than me, considering I already know all that basic stuff anyway the only thing I don’t know is the app and the settings and how it’s run again I did find it super simple easy the first time I use the StarSense 114
I did run into a couple of minor problems like I wasn’t waiting for the plates all to finish finding before I was moving but it took just a few minutes to understand why it wasn’t turning green and then it was pretty simple after that anyway cheers we’ll talk soon
@@JoeJaguar I quite agree that using astrohopper requires some practice and isn't as immediate as SSE. There is a learning curve indeed.
I just can tell when I got my AZ GTi (for EAA) it took me several nights and consulting with friends to get it going.
@@artyombeilis9075 I’m going to test it again couple more times and then I’m gonna get a few more people to test it as well
But even in the worst case scenario after I’m done all this, even if your app comes in second place to the StarSense, that’s a huge benefit to the hobby and a huge accomplishment
That would be nothing wrong with being second place but for now final conclusions still to be seen
Imagine if they were to tell you, or to tell me, we are the second best astronomer in the world. I would take that wholeheartedly as a grats compliment.
I found I had to install a 12” extension stalk between my scope and Sony Xperia to reduce interference with magnetometer for all the apps even starsense
I know there’s some phones what making models you have that have problems with StarSense
There’s another app that you could try. Also called Astro Hopper. I’ve also talked about this one as well. I’m not sure if it’s gonna be the same issue with your phone
Most people are not gonna change their phone just for a app. Most phones are fairly expensive these days.
Could you put a very thin sheet of foam where the module hold your phone or maybe a piece of cardboard?
I haven’t had any issues so far with my StarSense so I haven’t tried to solve any bugs or issues since everything works so far so I don’t have too many suggestions at this point
Try those things out and see if it works if not, maybe try to do a web search as I’m sure people who’ve had issues with their phone. Maybe try different things as well
I think it works better if you level the scope
My backyard is level but thanks for watching the video
I tried Astrohopper with my 10" dob. Occasionally it would work but most of the time I would align with a star and it would be way off on the first target. Needs a lot of work.
I know its not perfect and takes time to learn but its free and doesn’t cost anything
Star sence is better but its much more expensive if you buy a scope and take out the module. Make holes in the tube mount it etc then sell the other scope without the sc.
thanks for watching
Love the video and info…amazing from B 8 zone
Thanks for the comment. And thanks for watching the phone. Yes I try to do as best as I can from my location.
About 4 to 5 times or up to seven times a year I get to a portal two zone or then I do more of the serious stuff
But that’s why I try to encourage people even from the bad zone. You can still do lots of astronomy and still have lots of fun. You might have to go a bit bigger and curve your expectations a little with a deep sky stuff.
In the end, as long as you have fun
Lord… So many crazy typos in my post… Sorry about that
It’s fine I do the same I talking to the mike and then it types it out before this last update used to get it wrong like 25% of the time
I tried the astrohopper and kept having to realign it, it became frustrating. Also, you might consider practicing with a new thing, learning how to use it yourself, before making a video. And yeah, city lights do wash out DSOs.
At first, I wanted to show people how a brand new people would use it. That way it’s more real.
I did two more videos on the Astro hopper. The next one is when I figured out how to use it pretty easy.
And the third video is a two minute video step-by-step that someone can use as a guide watch the follow up and tell me what you think
> kept having to realign it
I think the other way to look on it is automated star-hopping. Since realignment is very quick you'll become used to it very fast. It isn't the same as aligning typical goto/pushto system
@@artyombeilis9075 yes, the next video after this one shows where I caught on to it and then it becomes easier. Thanks for your reply.
Maybe you should watch a tutorial and familiarize yourself with the astrohopper app before you do a comparison with another app that you are already familiar with.
I’ve done three videos in total of the Astro hopper. This was the first one so I have to admit I wasn’t a pro when I was doing this one however, it’s because it’s a lot harder than StarSense
Watch the next one and you will see that I understood it once I got some tips from the creator and once I thought about it some more on why it wasn’t working well
On the final video I just created a three minute video tutorial how to work it in three minutes
I’ve had a lot of people that said hopper is not as easy as StarSense which I agree and that’s on the first video. What about
So I guess my point on this video was even somebody like me with 31 years experience, and with experience with a few different types of systems and with experience on the StarSense found Astro hopper to not be so easy to operate the first time
@JoeJaguar I have had a lot of issues with the Celestron Star Hopper app. If the sky is not perfectly clear, it runs into a lot of issues trying to plate solve your location. Both apps need optimal conditions to work properly. However, I do agree that Astrohopper needs a bit more polishing to make it more user-friendly.
@@rdilley1 yeah I agree with you from the first time that I’ve tried StarSense it just worked perfect for me and I think now it’s starting to have a couple issues where it doesn’t turn green anymore but it still finds the object so I do think StarSense is better than Astro hopper or easier,
Thank you for watching and your comment
I use Astrohopper and it is great.
I did two more tests of Astro hopper. The next video that I do about it didn’t work much better. It’s still not as good as starsense, but then again, it’s free.
Thanks for your comment and watching the video
@@JoeJaguar just align a star or planet and just keep doing that when reaching your your next Target.
@@Pipiland. yes, on the next video did I did I figured it out
@@Pipiland. yes thank you on the next video when I do this app I figured out how to do it. Thanks for watching the video.
One more thing... don't do pinch zoom on Safari, use +/- you are actually zooming the screen instead of the map. It is well known Safari issue that thinks it is smarter than other borwsers
OK that’s good to know however, I don’t use Safari or Stellarium at all never have so someone like me wouldn’t have known that
One more reply I’d like to say is, I’m not giving up on your product or your app I’m gonna test it again I do require at least a month maybe at least because I want to do it properly
I’m also gonna have my girlfriend try to use both and see what she says
I also have two people within a few minute drive of me and I believe none of them have starsense or astro hopper so I wanna see if both of them wouldn’t mind being on a video and that’s why I’m getting three other opinions and again will make out a second video in the near future, and will get back to you OK cheers
@@JoeJaguar interesting idea 🙂
Zooming the iPhone screen so that the menu symbols are lost should be a big clue.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 yes the creator told me that you’re not supposed to zoom in like that however, how was someone supposed to know that so that’s what I guess would be good about watching videos like this is you’ll learn what to do and what not to do
Reduce in settings the magnitude of stars that would show only bright ones.
OK also good point to note I guess I didn’t know you could do that first off
Using StarSense, I never needed to do that
I was a programmer, before I retired. Don't place so much faith in programmers. Forty programmers can't do something that one can't. They can just do it faster. ✋
I understand and I hear you that’s why I was trying to give a praise for the creator of Astro hopper because I think it’s a good accomplishment I might not be the greatest at this particular app, but I am going to do a part to try to get a little bit better and I’m also gonna invite between one and three other people and see which one they like better after testing both out, and then will come to a better conclusion on the next video
Thanks for watching and appreciate the comment
At point 22:47 you are pressing all wrong star all over again - the purple one is one you aligned on.
So if it isn't %100 centered go manual mode center it tap align and tap on star - it should be centered on the star you tapped on.
Well, it is possible on that particular one I might’ve hit the wrong star and the only way to fix it as I was showing was to zoom in by pinching so I can tap on the correct star when it’s shrunk down I find it very easy to tap on a different star as I say
Sometimes I reinitialize the gyro with figure 8 motion and also reset the alignment from the setting on Astro hopper.
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You cant even say his name.
AND it the brightest star YOU CAN SEE. The closer the better...
@@waynethebarber1095 do you think other people didn’t have a hard time working this app even the owner of this app told me you’re not supposed to pinch it who would know that
I could’ve made a video after using it several times like others do once they have mastered everything that way they look good
The point of the video was, I was using it the first time with no help and showing people all the fumbles that could happen, which I think is more realistic
The first time I used took about 10 minutes to figure out fluids, but it’s much easier to work. Everybody who’s used both does say StarSense is a snap star hopper is also good but it takes more work.
After two pointers from the designer one is not to pinch the screen and to use the plus and -and lower the stars from magnitude six down to about four then I found the app to work much better however, it’s too bad. You didn’t watch the next two videos I did in this cause then you would know .
I could video shows all the pitfalls that Will happen from a first time using it not somebody has used it for years and just shows all the easy stuff
My videos, more realistic to someone who’s never used it and that way deal learn what to do and what not to do specially if they watched the next two videos on it
did u also see iam in a zone 8 or white zone so only the very brightest star show PLUS i said it 100 of times i also have 8 street lights hitting my view. Thats why my channel name is "city"
@@waynethebarber1095 so lastly, everybody that has used StarSense or Astro hopper has agreed with me that Celestron StarSense is much easier to use, and this was my take on using it the first time without watching some videos
As I wanted to see how a beginner would feel using a new type of app on the telescope and I believe in this video I showed it. I did not get frustrated. Tried it several times it didn’t work.
After that video, the designer contacted me once he gave me the two tips then it worked much easier and that’s where I did a part two to Astro hopper you should watch it
But after those two tips, Astro hopper still takes longer to work than the StarSense where I can just tap on the screen and then go to that area
I don’t need to align on the brightest star of every constellation when going to a new item nor do I need to put on the search screen I want to see for each object so even though Astro hopper is good once you learn it it’s still harder than StarSense
I think you dont want it to work
@@waynethebarber1095 why not?
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