I really like the new one. The sound is brighter and sweeter but still having a mellow quality. The old bell after the new one sounded much duller, like the sound was deadened somewhat. I would LOVE to see a visit to Marigaux!
WOW!! From the first few notes of the Strauss I immediately fell in love with the sound of the new bell. FANTASTIC! I hope they'll make it available for my Altuglass oboe as well, which I wouldn't trade for the world. Thank you Marin, and thank you Marigaux for continuing to improve instruments that are already as close to perfection as it gets.
Surprizingly, I find the old one sounds warmer and more lush. But that could be because of my office head-set : I need to listen again with better ear-phones. What you said about the balance and tuning is incredibly important.
New bell seems less piercing and more mellow. Nice sound. 2 grams may not sound like much, but it's at the very end of the horn, so influences beyond what you would expect. I play a Bulgheroni Opera, and think THAT is the loveliest oboe sound!
It does influence it quite a lot, it's balanced differently. I would be happy to try Bulgheroni. Also would like to believe that the loveliest sound is produced by the player rather than the instrument.
@@BeyondOboeHard to disagree, but the Bulgheroni has clearly made me a better player! I actually got the instrument from the workshop near Como about a year ago, a wonderful experience.
This is a case of your open personal preferences, you know your own sound concepts. The new bell projects more, but both are capable of mellowness . i am a Clarinetist for many years and have different barrels which produce varying tone qualities. Bells on Clarinets, especially Bakuns vary somewhat , but not as much as Oboes. Oboe is more demanding than Clarinet and ease of playing and holding the Oboe are quite important, but ultimately it's the sound that dominates. The thicker Bell would be noticeable, especially since the keys on an Oboe are higher up than on a clarinet. My first time here, you are a gifted musician. Cheers, Frederick "Rik" Spector
Listened to the first recording and thought the new one sounded alot better, in the second recording i was sure the one i liked better was the new bell again..and it wasnt. I think for the average listener wont make any difference atall, the most important thing is how you feel when you play with it, even if it makes you feel 0,1% better and more confortable its worth it.
Totally agree, I personally had to write down which one is which because I personally didn't always recognize them in the recordings, they are pretty close. I prefer the new one mostly for making it easier to play on it and the very slight improvement in the sound.
Hi, in Strauss and Bizet I prefer and recognized the new one, but in Ravel and the last one I chose the old bell. Anyway in the first and second extracts I notice a difference only in the low notes which have more resonance, not too much in the upper register, but it seems to me that with the new one you have more feeling. Finally I think you play fantastic. Best regards
My impression is the new bell adds echo to the sound, which makes it more suitable for a certain repertoire. These romantic pieces shine and are more lively. On the other hand I guess I would choose the old bell for baroque. Would love to hear your thoughts on this. I’d love to make a trip to Paris with you 🇫🇷
These are some observations you have, I would agree that the old bell one has a bit more direct, bright and piercing sound that would be suitable for classical and baroque music.
That's incredible! and the new one definitely sounds a bit richer I always assumed that each instrument was made from a single piece of wood as a unit, so there would be a similarity in the material and the fine alignment of the bore, but is that not the case?i
Thanks for your comment. What you say would make sense but actually no, the head joints and bells are separately selected to suit the main big part. If you get lucky you can select all of them yourself and yes it's a bit too much choice 😅
Sorry, but I prefer the old bell. No.2 seems to sit a little sharp and the C on the staff and the lower notes aren't as warm. Bells make a difference for sure. I use a Howarth bell on my Lorée...
No they don't do cocobolo. I asked then for it, the answer was they will not, because the dust of cocobolo wood might affect the health of their workers. Also, it is hard to find the new bells in grenadilla. I have been Wartung for 8 months to get to try them.
Love your videos, nice to have someone say and review what we’re all thinking… also i really like your whole playing/setup, really beautiful sound.. in the strauss excerpt i actually preferred your original bell but the rest it seemed the new one was a bit richer ? Tempted to ask you to review a howarth oboe but i don’t have spares i can send🥵
I like the new one better It is richer, darker. After listening to the two, I don’t like listening to the older one due to a harshness, in the video anyway. I could hear a difference.
Best instrument? I wonder if there was such thing. It seems to always be an iteration away from. I own a Püchner and Mönnig and the next day disproves my opinion about them. But what is better than to be happy with what you have 🍀
I totally agree! I respect the German made oboe like Ludwig Frank, Mönnig and Puncher. I played on Mönnig for a few years and it was super stable, cracking is not really an issue (you never know) and the mechanic is so well made.What I said is that overall for me personally Marigaux is the best but there is no such thing as "The Best"
Since last watching this video I have actually bought one of the new M2 bells ! It works extremely well on my 2001 (better than the original 2001 bell by a long way).
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Marin is such a nice player. Something to aspire to. Thanks
I really like the new one. The sound is brighter and sweeter but still having a mellow quality. The old bell after the new one sounded much duller, like the sound was deadened somewhat. I would LOVE to see a visit to Marigaux!
WOW!! From the first few notes of the Strauss I immediately fell in love with the sound of the new bell. FANTASTIC! I hope they'll make it available for my Altuglass oboe as well, which I wouldn't trade for the world. Thank you Marin, and thank you Marigaux for continuing to improve instruments that are already as close to perfection as it gets.
Surprizingly, I find the old one sounds warmer and more lush. But that could be because of my office head-set : I need to listen again with better ear-phones. What you said about the balance and tuning is incredibly important.
New bell seems less piercing and more mellow. Nice sound. 2 grams may not sound like much, but it's at the very end of the horn, so influences beyond what you would expect. I play a Bulgheroni Opera, and think THAT is the loveliest oboe sound!
It does influence it quite a lot, it's balanced differently.
I would be happy to try Bulgheroni. Also would like to believe that the loveliest sound is produced by the player rather than the instrument.
@@BeyondOboeHard to disagree, but the Bulgheroni has clearly made me a better player! I actually got the instrument from the workshop near Como about a year ago, a wonderful experience.
You sound great on both but the new one is more flexible, the old one is not bad but sounds more rigid when you compare one against the other⭐️
It sounds like a future hole in my bank account 😆
Beautiful playing by the way, good work!
This is a case of your open personal preferences, you know your own sound concepts.
The new bell projects more, but both are capable of mellowness .
i am a Clarinetist for many years and have different barrels which produce varying tone qualities.
Bells on Clarinets, especially Bakuns vary somewhat , but not as much as Oboes.
Oboe is more demanding than Clarinet and ease of playing and holding the Oboe are
quite important, but ultimately it's the sound that dominates.
The thicker Bell would be noticeable, especially since the keys on an Oboe are higher up than on a clarinet.
My first time here, you are a gifted musician.
Cheers,
Frederick "Rik" Spector
Thank you for this. The New one is more beter than the old one. I like him very well.
Listened to the first recording and thought the new one sounded alot better, in the second recording i was sure the one i liked better was the new bell again..and it wasnt. I think for the average listener wont make any difference atall, the most important thing is how you feel when you play with it, even if it makes you feel 0,1% better and more confortable its worth it.
Totally agree, I personally had to write down which one is which because I personally didn't always recognize them in the recordings, they are pretty close.
I prefer the new one mostly for making it easier to play on it and the very slight improvement in the sound.
The new one sounds rounder, brighter, clearer. I could recognize it correctly in all the played fragments.
Hi, in Strauss and Bizet I prefer and recognized the new one, but in Ravel and the last one I chose the old bell. Anyway in the first and second extracts I notice a difference only in the low notes which have more resonance, not too much in the upper register, but it seems to me that with the new one you have more feeling. Finally I think you play fantastic. Best regards
My impression is the new bell adds echo to the sound, which makes it more suitable for a certain repertoire. These romantic pieces shine and are more lively. On the other hand I guess I would choose the old bell for baroque. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
I’d love to make a trip to Paris with you 🇫🇷
These are some observations you have, I would agree that the old bell one has a bit more direct, bright and piercing sound that would be suitable for classical and baroque music.
Interesting. I consistently preferred the new one. I’ve got the exact same setup as you do, with the mopane, although my M2 is around six years old.
Lately I have been using the grenadilla top joint more actually, the mopane might need a bore check. It feels a bit hard and tight at the moment.
That's incredible! and the new one definitely sounds a bit richer I always assumed that each instrument was made from a single piece of wood as a unit, so there would be a similarity in the material and the fine alignment of the bore, but is that not the case?i
Thanks for your comment. What you say would make sense but actually no, the head joints and bells are separately selected to suit the main big part. If you get lucky you can select all of them yourself and yes it's a bit too much choice 😅
@@BeyondOboe Thanks for explaining it to me. I'm thinking of getting a new oboe shortly, my first brand new one I hope, so this is good to know!
can you also make a video about the new gold plated staple of marigaux.... thanks so much
Maybe 🤔
Sorry, but I prefer the old bell. No.2 seems to sit a little sharp and the C on the staff and the lower notes aren't as warm. Bells make a difference for sure. I use a Howarth bell on my Lorée...
Does Marigaux offer different woods for the new bell, too? I’d love to try Cocobolo
For now at least they don't.
No they don't do cocobolo. I asked then for it, the answer was they will not, because the dust of cocobolo wood might affect the health of their workers.
Also, it is hard to find the new bells in grenadilla. I have been Wartung for 8 months to get to try them.
Love your videos, nice to have someone say and review what we’re all thinking… also i really like your whole playing/setup, really beautiful sound.. in the strauss excerpt i actually preferred your original bell but the rest it seemed the new one was a bit richer ? Tempted to ask you to review a howarth oboe but i don’t have spares i can send🥵
I haven't tried a Howarth for a while so I would be curious, I don't have too high expectations though to be honest but who knows, I might be wrong!
I like the new one better
It is richer, darker. After listening to the two, I don’t like listening to the older one due to a harshness, in the video anyway. I could hear a difference.
Good ears!
古いモデルの方が音が鋭く聞こえますね。音源比較を用いてわかりやすい解説をありがとう。日本の視聴者より。
i can buy only bell not whole oboe?
If you are lucky to find a spare one sure
by the way... i love the sound of the new bell...
Thank you 🙏
Best instrument? I wonder if there was such thing. It seems to always be an iteration away from. I own a Püchner and Mönnig and the next day disproves my opinion about them. But what is better than to be happy with what you have 🍀
I totally agree! I respect the German made oboe like Ludwig Frank, Mönnig and Puncher. I played on Mönnig for a few years and it was super stable, cracking is not really an issue (you never know) and the mechanic is so well made.What I said is that overall for me personally Marigaux is the best but there is no such thing as "The Best"
I was suprised that i actually could tell each time which was the new and which was the old and i actually like the new more
You have a very good ear
i bought my Marigaux Second Hand. How do i find out which Model i have?
You can check your serial number on Marigaux's website and see in which year it was made.
@@BeyondOboe i found my oboe was made 2006. Does this tell anything about the model?
@@stefanschulz4523 oh, you don't even know what model you have?
@@BeyondOboe Exact :D i know it sounds quite good, thats all i know :D
i was hoping there would be some kind of identifying features
@@stefanschulz4523 send me a picture and I will tell you
Stefan uses a bell made by Suitbert Walter :)
Thanks for the update!
Since last watching this video I have actually bought one of the new M2 bells ! It works extremely well on my 2001 (better than the original 2001 bell by a long way).
To expensive to buy it