I would have just reverse Canary and Reverse-Flash's positions on this list, because man, Reverse-Flash has been plotted to this Crisis since the Flash pilot...... But that's my opinion anyway.
@@Spitfirethedragon I feel like that would be very short term thinking, I think something bigger is up in their brains. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
You know what? Laurel was the only character who was given a reward for being tested. That implies that she wasn't part of his ultimate plan, but she's probably just very important in the future.
@@aceofparts938 J’onn is very important in the Arrowverse so it makes sense that he be one of the paragons. They should’ve added Laurel instead of Ryan Choi tho?
Maybe, but it would be kind random and would not fit in to the situation. If he were in the crossover, I think that it would be in part 4. Just Imagine Reverse flash just popped up out of nowhere just to be an illusion. It would be extremely random
@@powerkingstudios4783 I guess he also means the illusion angle should have been dropped and I feel it should be like he is mind controlled by Psycho Pirate on behalf of the Anti-monitor.
The Beebo and the robbery sequence was the most useless part of the crisis. It had absolutely nothing to do with the storyline and they wasted so much time and money on it.
To be honest as much as I wanted thawne in crisis I’m glad. He didn’t because it likely would have been Tom cavanaughs version and it would have been better with Matt lecsther version
I know Deathstroke couldn’t come back but I wished manu Bennett came back and if they could use him as slade Wilson. I wished he had like a doppelgänger he could have played! That would have been awesome!!!
i can't to see more crossover and seeing new earths and new heroes like 1-lucifer and constantine team up 2-cameron monaghan tim drake and batwoman team up 3-seeing titans and legends team up 4-seeing stargirl 5-lex forming new legion of doom 6-batwoman,flash and heatwave travel to tv show gotham 7-grant gustin play as reverse flash 8-seeing green lantern 9-seeing booster gold 10-seeing old faces 11-more batman villains 12-young justice crossover 13-flash and black lightning team up 14-finally seeing earth prime batman
Evan Cunningham I’m 50/50 on it. I thought it was cool seeing Ezra, but at the same time it was unfair they removed their cameos. They could’ve fit them in the final battle or something, but they didn’t. I honestly don’t like Ezra Miller’s Flash very much, but I love Anissa and Jen, so I would’ve liked to see Anissa and Jen more personally. Not that it wasn’t cool to see Ezra’s flash. I just don’t like him very much. That’s just my opinion tho. 🤷🏼♂️
@@evancunningham It's not really fair at all. Anissa and Jennifer has gone through so much struggles and development over the years to be able to call themselves a "Hero". The actors have always wanted a crossover and people have been excited and begging for them ever since we even heard of the show. And we were hoping for them to appear. Ezra's flash doesn't even have development and his cameo had absolutely no effect to the story. It's just unnecessary and unfair.
I heard a theory/breakdown (I think it was Pagey), that Reverse Flash would have had a 1 minute cameo (which is where that clip in the trailer came from), but then WB asked the writers to put in Ezra Miller so Eobard's cameo was cut for Ezra's. Which I mean yeah in terms of cameos I prefer Ezra Miller's flash as a cameo way more than Eobard Thawne but he should have had a big role.
I think John Diggle should have gotten a Lantern ring in the Anti-Monitor fight in part 5. It would be a lot more satisfying than whatever the hell Atom did.
(Part 1 of 2 of my Comment Part 2 is a Reply to this Comment) Personally this is What they should have done to include Reverse Flash in Crisis : Instead of having the Beebo and Weather Witch parts of the crossover have the Reverse Flash show up and fight the Flash and during the fight they would travel across different cities showing the new world and even having some heroes try to help Barry stop him and during the fight Reverse Flash finds out Barry Allen is the Flash with say Supergirl calling him Barry in confusion as to why hes on her Earth (not knowing that the Earths got combined yet) and so she goes back to kill Barry and ends up killing Nora. This way would give us the Full Crisis as intended and have the Reverse Flash set-up pay off and show off this new world and that some Earths have been combined. When Barry beats Reverse Flash and Nora dies he then tries to time travel back but ends up lost in time and then you could have a small crossover with the Legends who find Barry while they are on a mission and they return Barry back to present day maybe a week or two later so that the Future Newspaper about Barry fighting the Reverse Flash and Vanishing can Finally get payed off after 6 Years of that being set- up. I really only said Kara to be the one for giving away Barry's Secret ID cause it would show some of the Earths have combined by having here here as well as she was the one Barry teamed-up with when this new Earth got made. And that Reverse Flash would need to know that Barry Allen is the Flash somehow (as this would be a version of Reverse Flash that comes after the one that appeared in Season 2 Episode 11 back before he knew who the Flash was) for him to even go back to try to kill him only to kill Nora instead. And for those that will disagree about all this here you go: Yes the Newspaper has changed several times over the years but some parts of it have NEVER changed like Flash Vanishing for some unknown amount of time (which due to a new Earth could mean hes gone for a couple of weeks rather than straight up being Dead like Earth 90's Flash) and that Flash and some Heroes (The heroes change but the fact that Flash gets help during the fight DOESNT change) help him during that same fight with Reverse Flash before going back in time to the night his mother died which we have seen play out on screen but not WHY they or even WHEN they went back in time from so this would round off Reverse Flash's Story giving him and end where the only thing left to show is his origin story on screen. in Crisis on Earth X (the Last big Crisis in the Arrowverse) Thawne Straight up said "See you next Crisis" And the next crossover called Crisis in the Arrowverse was Crisis on Infinite Earths. So Yes there was More than just the Newspaper to go off of in terms of Setting up Reverse Flash as a villain during this Crossover. And Yes there are Multiple Crisis events (Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Flashpoint, Convergence, Dark Knights Metal, Identity Crisis and Heroes in Crisis) but Reverse Flash is referring to the NEXT one the CW was doing which was Crisis on Infinite Earths. So what ALL the scenes with the Future Newspaper (and all its Versions across the timeline of the Arrow-verse) and the Direct Quote from the Character in Question shouldn't be counted as Definitive proof that the Crisis that Thawne was talking about WAS CRISIS ON INFINATE EARTHS as it is been set-up Since 2014, 6 Years ago by the Executive Produces of the CW. So it doesnt come from the show-runners (The ones who CHOSE to ignore the 6 YEAR SET-UP and Build up of the Reverse Flash Story-line) it comes from their Bosses and this is mentioned by Actors and show-runners that this was the plan from the start and what it was all leading up to STARTING WITH THE FUTURE NEWSPAPER ON THE FLASH. For those that like the Beebo and Weather Witch scenes: Yeah it is fine and i dont have a problem with it but they could have done it like i said where it Gives off the Pay off of Reverse Flash and explores the idea of the combination of Earths by having other heroes show up to help Barry like like in the Future Newspaper that has been around since Season 1 of The Flash. They Really DIDNT have to put Beebo in there at all but like ive said in other comments i dont mind it but it could have been so much better if they just didnt Especially Since the Reverse Flash being in Crisis on Infinite Earths has been set up for 6 YEARS and if you remember he has been a MAIN Villain for the Legends as well as the Flash so it would have worked seeing as the Beebo and Weather Witch scenes are from the Legends Episode of the Crossover. And for those of you that think Reverse Flash DID know Barry was the Flash in Season 2 Episode 11 here you go: Him Learning WHEN (not WHO) the Flash is from: th-cam.com/video/hlofU7lQMXo/w-d-xo.html Him Talking to Barry (Who is hiding his face in the shadows to no give away his Identity) and referring to him as Flash as he DOENT KNOW HIS NAME: th-cam.com/video/_FhumIt7kn0/w-d-xo.html Harrison Wells Literally Saying that he DOENT know Barry is the Flash and Barry should tell as little as possible about himself: th-cam.com/video/KeMktGeAbBk/w-d-xo.html Barry SAYING that Thawne DOSENT know his name: th-cam.com/video/WfTyZvrJJ7s/w-d-xo.html Thawne Calling him Flash and NOT BARRY: th-cam.com/video/Vus7rV5-f4c/w-d-xo.html These are EVERY Scene that Reverse Flash is apart of in Season 2 Episode 11 and NONE of them Prove that he knows the Flash's Name just WHEN he comes from and that was because at that point in Thawne's life he had ONLY just become the Reverse Flash and this is his 1st battle with Barry.
(Part 2 of 2 of my Comment) As for The rest of the Characters you mentioned i would have personally done this for them: So for Batman I would have the heroes meet him when they try to go and resurrect Oliver in the Lazarus pit. He would be replacing Jonah Hex as they decide to only go back a few years rather than a few Centuries. This is where the meet a Batman in his prime and is tearing through waves of League of Assassins members so he can Stop Ra’s Al Ghul and Talia from using the pit. They all team up and when Ra’s is defeated they try to use the pit themselves and Batman warms them of the effects of the pit and says who Ra’s has a crippling dependence on the pits and will do anything to satisfy his craving for immortality and he Oliver really is someone worth bringing back he wouldn’t want to be anything like Ra’s or Talia. That convinces them to try a different way (By asking Constantine for help). Batman asks what they are even doing here and he decide to join them on there fight against the Anti-Monitor and he becomes the Paragon of Courage and NOT Batwoman. He does interact with Kate after seeing her wearing his Logo and asks why she’s wearing it. She tells him that ever since he disappeared crime in Gotham has gone up and no one is afraid anymore and she has dawned his Logo to help fight crime as see if she can instil fear back in to the criminals of Gotham but she cant do it as well as him. Bruce then goes on about how he doesn’t want here out there as he knows the dangers of this life and doesn’t want her to end up like Jason as he notice some similarities between the two of them. After the crossover the heroes forget when Batman is suppose to be from and just put him back in Present Day as they were in a distraught state when they picked him up they didn’t know when exactly they got him from and Batman asks to go back to when there from to help Kate fix Gotham. Batwoman could then become a team-up show with Bruce being a mentor for Kate and they could later down the line introduce more members of the Bat-Family and this would explain Batman’s absence from Earth 1 in a more satisfying way than what they probably will have on Batwoman when or IF they get round to it. For the Green Lanterns I would have Krona appear at the Dawn of time and have the Anti-Monitor kill him in front of the Guardians who immediately leave. Later on when the Anti-Monitor returns on Earth Prime the guardians pick up some Anti-Matter on Earth and send Hal Jordan to go and help out with he issue and after monitoring Earth after the Death of Krona they send Hal with a Ring to give to someone he deems worthy of joining their ranks. When Hal gets to Earth he helps out in the fight and then the ring flies off to his surprise and the ring says “John Diggle Stewart of Earth you have great Willpower. Welcome to the Green Lantern Corps”. Then you have Hal and John fighting together with all the other heroes. This would pay off the Green Lantern Easter Eggs as well as pay off the whole John Diggle being John Stewart and have him finally become the Green Lantern. For Black Carney i would have it that she was there from the beginning of the crossover and replaced the Scene where Barry and Sarah talk to have it be Sarah and Laurel talk instead. It would be similar to the scene with Barry with Sarah telling the story with the tree but Laurel says on her Earth it was her who won those climbing races. After realising that they are alot more similar than they think Sarah offers he a place with the Legends but Laurel turns it down as she wants to protect Star City to honour Oliver's Sacrifice now that hes gone someone needs to protect the city. they both hug and Sarah finally accepts her as her real sister and they cry knowing that they only have one another left in the Multiverse that know what they were like and all the other they have lost were like before all this superhero stuff. For Kid-Flash I would have him in the scene where Barry considers taking Earth 90 Flash’s place and have Wally stop Barry from doing it. I would also have Wally be the one to go and get Team Flash onboard of the Wave-Rider as he knows what the ship looks like and could get them there with ease as he was once a Legend. I would have it that Laurel tells Wally and Team Flash about Earth 2’s fate where the cry for a bit about losing people they knew and loved are gone. Wally then goes to see if Jay Garrick is alive and sadly Wally is only able to rescue Jay from the destruction of Earth 3. For Psycho Pirate I would have it that just before Crisis started he broke out of Arkham and has been recruited by a Anti-Monitor Possessed Harbinger (showing that she was always under his control) and the Anti-Monitor uses his Multiverse Awareness to locate Earths to destroy. He is also the one to get the Earth 90 Flash into the Anti-Matter Canon. I would also give Oliver’s/Spectre’s speech about the New Multiverse to him as Oliver was dead a t that point and Psycho Pirate could be telling this to a Psychiatrist at Arkham who doesn’t believe him about the Multiverse. The Psychiatrist walks out and changes back into Martian Manhunter and tells the other Paragons that he remembers everything as if the Crisis had never happened and they discuss if they should tell the world about the Crisis of if the should be the only ones to remember. For Deathstroke i think it would have been better for him to appear during the Speed-Force Visions where Barry finds Oliver fighting Deathstroke and then have Deathstroke kill Oliver's Mother and thats where Barry finds Oliver. The two of them Team up to fight Deathstroke and win and it shows just how much the world has changed since that moment and how the new Multiverse will be giving us the audience a bit of foreshadowing about how Heroes like the Flash have been around and have teamed up with other heroes more often than before. For Red Tornado I would have him be the Paragon of Humanity instead of it being Ryan Choi. This would be fitting as all Red Tornado wants is to be Human and to feel Human and for him to be the Paragon of Humanity would be a touching moment for him as it shows that even though he is not a Human and is a synthetic android he is a very Human person and is deemed worthy of being considered not only Human but a Paragon of Humanity. This feels better than introducing a new character as he has appeared in the Arowverse before and so I feel as if the role of Paragon should be given to a new character rather than an established one. For Katana I would have here be there with the heroes that want to try and rescue Oliver’s soul from Purgatory as she is one of his oldest and closest friends. It would be that she gives Constantine her sword to look through (As her sword can see and trap souls in it). The go to meet Lucifer and while in Purgatory she sees her family and decides to stay there with her family, choosing to die happy rather than return back with the others. For the Legion of Superheroes I would only have Brainiac 5 be there and just assist in helping the heroes stop Lex from trying to kill every Superman, Have him fight alongside them and even have him try to call the Legion for help only to find that the wave killed them all as the wave of Anti-Matter effects the Future just as much as the past and Brainiac 5 is the last living member of the Legion of Superheroes which upsets Kara and the other heroes from Earth 38 who knew them. I would also like to change the “Justice League” scene at the end to this. So After Oliver’s Funeral (which includes Everyone in the Arrowverse who has shared a scene with Oliver that is a hero) Barry and Superman gets to work on fixing up the Hall of Justice and bumps his head on something invisible and he hears a woman’s voice say “You better not have left a dent in my jet”. He looks up to see Wonder Woman. Clark and Diana recognise one another and begin to chat. A week or so later Barry invites a few heroes to the Hall of Justice. These Heroes would then become the Justice League include: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl. Hawkgirl questions why they are here and why it took Barry and the others so long to include her in these big events. Barry tells her that with the whole reincarnating thing its hard to track down her and Hawkman to ask for their help during these crossovers. Barry then gets interrupted by Batman asking what if we aren’t enough to protect the Earth? And Barry looks over at Oliver’s Costume and says there will always be heroes who will fight until the very end, some that will give their very lives to serve Justice and the 7 of use are in a League of out own. A Justice League if you will.
If you remember the Season 1 Finale, Reverse Flash said that he hated the Flash and then he learned his name, Barry Allen, and got to idea to kill his younger self to erase him from the future.
DEATHSTROKE Yeah, in his time, Thawne found out that he was always meant to become the adversary to the Flash, the reverse flash, but he didn't know who the flash was. So in season 2, Thawne travels back from his time to Barry's Time and tries to figure out WHEN the Flash is from. He never learns the Flash's name. Once he finally learnt Barry's name he went back to kill him but the flash of that time went back with him and saved Barry so Thawne killed Nora. Then he got stuck in that time for 15 years and eventually faded away when Eddie killed himself.
@@rattgirl5 yeah, all we need now is a scene where a Reverse Flash learns Barry's name and gets the kill his younger self, hence erasing the Flash from existence.
I love Black Canary! She’s awesome! Katie Cassidy does such a good job, and I really do wish she appeared in Crisis, too. More than Reverse Flash (surprisingly) imo. She really does feel like the comic book Black Canary. She’s always such a joy on screen. I hope Green Arrow and The Canaries gets to become a show so I can see more of her!
Black Canary E2 and Reverse Flash should honestly tie on the No.1 spot imo... And it would also be intresting to see how Barry and Laurel E2 react with each other since they have fought on Flash S02E20or21.
@@ItsButterBean1020 true, although we have already seen some interactions between the two. One of the reasons I think Laurel and Barry's interactions are interesting is that they have never interacted after Laurel's redemption or Flash S02.
I would have switched between number 1 and 2, because personally my solution is that they should have just not given her a test in season 8. I mean I really liked the gift Novu gave her after the test (seeing Quentin), but the test itself wasn't really handled that well. I don't mind that it happened, but if it didn't happen I would not have cared. Reverse-Flash on the other end was set up for 5 freaking years to be in the Crisis, they confirmed he will, and they showed him in a trailer and at the end he was NOWHERE TO BE SEEN. Also, I think you should have mentioned in the video what role would you have given to those characters. Because personally I don't see how the Green Lantern Core would have fit into this (except for having that guy create the multiverse which I really don't think would have worked like in the comics because he appeared out of nowhere while Mar Novu is way more established).
In my opinion, if there was one thing I would change in the whole crossover, it would be that ending in part 5. Instead of "Gleek" I would've replaced it with Reverse Flash showing up in the JL place right behind the heroes, taking Barry from them and then disappearing without any trace which would explain the newspapers in the Flash Season. Again, this is my opinion
Agree with Laurel/Black Siren. As mentioned she was tested like he did with the other paragons. I think she would have been perfect as the paragon of humanity. They should have left out Ryan Choi completely. Her character arc on arrow has been about changing from villain to hero and finding her humanity. This would have been the perfect end to her arc on the show.
I agree to this entire video, all of these characters should've appeared, especially since some of them had a role from the Crisis comic, I wish it happened, and Lucifer and Smallville Superman should've join in the Crisis crossover with the team, Lucifer should've been in Hell, but was found by Constantine and was free and join the team, it should've been a set up for Lucifer Season 5 instead of a cameo and Smallville Superman should've still have his powers and join the team with his suit, that would've been awesome.
I imagine that someday the characters that should of made a few appearances in the crossover show series of (CRISIS ON THE INFINITE EARTHS) will be given the chance to make a small number of appearances on in other ways, and to add on all the shows being shown on the CW network.
Other restrictions aside, you also have the time restrictions to consider. It would have required a few more episodes to get all of those characters into the storyline.
Honestly I hope they reference psycho pirate in Batwoman. Like maybe a newspaper article talking about Arkham with Psycho Pirate escaping/ going crazy talking about multiverse
I really do think hawkman/hawkgirl should've been there. After Legends S1, they left and we never heard from them again. It would've been so amazing if they made some badass entrance when no one was expecting them because they're such classic characters that got the ball rolling for a lot of the plots in the arrowverse, so to me it made zero sense to not have them return. Plus, their storyline in the arrowverse was kinda simple so it wouldn't have been too difficult to write them in somehow, especially since their time on the arrowverse ended with them just moving away and continuing to help people. It's not like they died or anything
I think they should've had the mergings of the earths bring back jefferson jackson as a solo firestorm since the loss of martin since they were able to bring back Ciscos powers even if they were temporary. But of course his would continue back on to the show
Not even just crisis i want mon el to return as a series regular like cmon the actors of kara and mon el are married i dont think it would be hard to get him on set
@@ItsButterBean1020 Man it doesn't make sense. When barry and cisco went to earth-2 there were the names of Bruce, Diana and Hal so it was confirmed that Batman was a hero but then why is his mask on lian yu replaced by deathstroke. And it was confirmed in a news report that Robert Queen was the hood of Earth-2 so how is adrian the hood on earth-2 in arrow season 8
@@saminahsan477 my guess is Adrian was the Red Arrow to Robert Queen and after Robert was exposed Adrian took over as the Hood No idea on the Bruce thing tho
I wanted Jessie Quick to appear in crisis where she along with E2 Laurel were the only 2 that escaped from the anti matter wave since she is a speedster that can travel to different earths
Okay, three DC shows ended soon with one of them being shown with Licifer. Make that 4. The other three shows are Krypton, iZombie and Preacher all ended. I would say Gotham as well, but I would not see Disney allowing any characters to appear against their Marvel superheroes.
I wanted Lynda Carter to appear representating the Amazons. Due to restrictions...she couldn't! 🙄 It would've been nice to see Diana Prince meet Helen Of Troy. 😉
I think they are mixing the two versions of Wally into one so they aren’t forgetting about him they are saving him for the next crossover and have it be about things being wrong in the timeline like the thanagarians
i think it got too much hype and the producers annouced so many things and they just sucked when it came out in my opinion the ezra miller and grant gustin flash cameo was the only good part it was hyped up way to much and it just kinda sucked for example i thought kevin conroys bat man was going to have a way bigger role and it just sucked.
@@poncianocasas8147 i wish we saw thawne and a better spectere fight also i hate that they showed thawne in the trailer but never showed him and how lex killed kingdom come superman for a while they just crammed a bunch of crap into one crappy crossover
@@wyattbabb3698 The reason you are saying that Ezra Miller cameo was the best part because you didn't knew about it, it would not be the best if you knew about it beforehand. Literally everyone would've lost their minds if they didn't announce ANY of the cameos. The crossover was great, but it was spoiled too much.
The fact that the Arrowverse isn't bringing in Batman is more due to the fact that he's been in the Movieverse DCEU, and there's an agreement of not having two of the same character on two different size screens (big screen/move and small screen/tv show). That's why it took so long for Superman to appear beyond a shadowed figure with the sun behind his head. It's also why Supergirl and Batwoman are being used in their places. There's this tongue-in-cheek references, but that's all they can do more often than not. Live Action rights to characters is tricky business, especially if both a Movie Continuity and a TV Show Continuity has the same source material and are being produced at the same time. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are the Big Three of DC Heroes when it comes to team-ups. There's only so much that can be done with them if they are currently being used. We so casually mentioned that they can cross promote from time to time, but there's still tiny devil details that make it much harder. Cross Promotion isn't exactly encouraged at the best of times. It was a legit surprise that the Movieverse people contacted the Arrowverse people and asked them to allow Ezra Miller to have a small cameo scene in Crisis. Because there's a lot of behind-the-scenes jargon that makes it difficult with more than one actor physically portraying the same character, it makes it harder on the writing staff to work around those characters being absent. It's why Supergirl's a Paragon as well as Batwoman. Sure Lex replaced a Superman as a Paragon, but that's besides the point. Honestly, the budget for Crisis on Infinite Earths should have been tripled, and allowed all previous heroes to come back for the second fight against the Monitor, with Green Arrow Oliver Queen leading the calvary. And at the end of it all, Oliver could explain that, because he became the Specter during the Crisis, the Reboot couldn't restore him as a Human Being, and only has a couple of days to say goodbye to everyone before leaving to become the Specter, effectively dying as a Human. But Budgets, Character rights, time, and at least a dozen other factors watered down the Crisis. Sidenote: The biggest Enemy of such big events being successful is the Fan Hype. Fan Hype can ruin Crossovers, especially because they set their personalized bar too high and the show can't meet their over the top expectations. Just saying!!!
The funeral scene with thea Black canary Speedy Arsenal Vibe Elongated man Reverse flash Wally Brainy Firestorm "mentioned in the newspaper" Hawkgirl "mentioned in the newspaper"
As unrealistic as it would've been... Imma say it, I wish that Gotham from the FOX tv series "Gotham" made an appearance. Like, Batwoman meeting Mazouz Wayne and it taking place before S5 (or maybe after, just a thought)
People who should be in the arrowverse 1. Green lantern 2. Batman 3. The teen titans 4. Zatana 5. Wonder woman 6. Rest of justice league including aquaman
Plus Black Canary would have had direct connections to both Oliver and Sarah. How weird would it have been to have Oliver die again watched over by the two women whose deaths affected him most outside of his mom?
Crisis wouldn't have given enough time to do justice to the Batman story line that was set up last year's crossover. Also, give Batwoman a chance its just starting out. Why Bruce Wayne left Gotham City deserves more time to do it justice than the cameo only that crisis could have afforded to give it. The Arrowverse probably wants to establish the show 1st, than tackle what happened to Batman
Will probably be explained in Black Lightning (which I don't really watch) but, why did Jennifer survive her Earth being destroyed and just ... not even appear? It was just so pointless her surviving but i guess it'll be revealed on her show.
Does no one listen the article changed it was stated that because of Nora's meddling the year and the circumstances in which crisis was set were drastically alters from s simple street battle to a multiverse ending threat A.K.A THE ANTI MONITER
There are ways to look Ezra's Flash cameo negatively. The DCEU characters possibly being turned into chumps for the sake of making the CW boyish lookin/sounding heroes look good. Especially when it comes to their Gary Stu Oliver Queen. He's dead but that doesn't necessarily guarantee he won't ever be back. Truth is the DCEU heroes should serve as mentors to the CW heroes. Can anyone see the CW heroes being made to look more competent than the DCEU heroes. The DCEU heroes look like they'd be the mentors of the CW heroes(except for Ezra and Ray Fisher). The CW heroes feel like kids between the way they look and talk and act. Very youthful faces and no bass in their voices. They might not be teenagers but they certainly don't feel like men. Stephen Amell's Oliver Queen would be following Batfleck's lead. Tyler Hoechlin's Superman would be following Henry Cavill's lead. The only CW superhero who looks and sounds like a man is Cress Williams as Black Lightning. It's dumb to think that Stephen "Adolescent voice" Amell would ever lead Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill or Gal Gadot.
I would have just reverse Canary and Reverse-Flash's positions on this list, because man, Reverse-Flash has been plotted to this Crisis since the Flash pilot......
But that's my opinion anyway.
RF could have taken the role of Lex or even been Pariah
@@ItsButterBean1020 That'd be interesting to see...
@@ItsButterBean1020 As I noted above, it appeared to me that Pariah WAS the Reverse Flash as transformed by the Anti-Monitor.
Reverse flash is my favourite villain and i wanted him so much!! I was so disappointed that he wasn't there
@@thomaswagner9875 it was Nash Wells but Thawne would’ve been better.
10- Katana
9- Thea
8- Saturn girl
7- Arsenal
6- Deathstroke
5- Kid flash
4- Laurel
3- Thawne
2- Mon el
1- Jay Garrick
Hahahahhaahhaha saved me from watching the video
@@rhys6741 he didnt thoo
@@rhys6741 that's not his list idiot
Тимур М'якшило dont be mean
rhyscake this is my list not his
The biggest enemy of the Arrowverse.....Warnerbrothers
Michael Segal indeed
From what I heard they are very loose with the rules now and even told them to include the DCEU Barry Allen
@@dwaynetherickscanchez3160 There must be some ulterior motive behind it.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf They could have both Gal and Lynda's Wonder Woman to help promote the Wonder Woman movie coming this year.
@@Spitfirethedragon I feel like that would be very short term thinking, I think something bigger is up in their brains. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
You know what? Laurel was the only character who was given a reward for being tested. That implies that she wasn't part of his ultimate plan, but she's probably just very important in the future.
Marc Guggenhiem made a big mistake not inculding Psycho Pirate
Agreed 💯
All of these characters should have appeared and E2 Laurel should have been the Paragon of Humanity
It would have been the greatest extension of her arc
Or redemption. That and The Paragon of Justice. 😌❗
I kinda wish Ralph was a paragon, to add a bit more humour or stuff. Could totally go without Man Martian Hunter.
@@aceofparts938 J’onn is very important in the Arrowverse so it makes sense that he be one of the paragons. They should’ve added Laurel instead of Ryan Choi tho?
I really wish Kid Flash met Arsenal.
Weird that they have never met before
Still never seen Thea and Roy in suit together
Freak Zeke Because theas suit is roy’s suiy
@@Nothing-dk1xh then how come at the end of Arrow Roy is wearing his suit?
@@chartreusephoenix6581 because Thea isn’t wearing hers.
The Beebo fight shouldve been the reverse flash fight
Maybe, but it would be kind random and would not fit in to the situation. If he were in the crossover, I think that it would be in part 4. Just Imagine Reverse flash just popped up out of nowhere just to be an illusion. It would be extremely random
@@powerkingstudios4783 I guess he also means the illusion angle should have been dropped and I feel it should be like he is mind controlled by Psycho Pirate on behalf of the Anti-monitor.
The Beebo and the robbery sequence was the most useless part of the crisis. It had absolutely nothing to do with the storyline and they wasted so much time and money on it.
@Supergirl Video Clips Good point, that would be better than what we got
@@justsomeone6954 It had everything to do with the Legends, since it was their show.
To be honest as much as I wanted thawne in crisis I’m glad. He didn’t because it likely would have been Tom cavanaughs version and it would have been better with Matt lecsther version
What the hell r u trying to say
SCI X its pretty clear
I know Deathstroke couldn’t come back but I wished manu Bennett came back and if they could use him as slade Wilson. I wished he had like a doppelgänger he could have played! That would have been awesome!!!
Me and my mates have been working on a script for what we consider a better version of Crisis
Ooh mind if I give some suggestions
May I ask when this will be finished?
I'm from 6 months in the future. Is it done?
I want a copy
No one actually cares
i can't to see more crossover and seeing new earths and new heroes like
1-lucifer and constantine team up
2-cameron monaghan tim drake and batwoman team up
3-seeing titans and legends team up
4-seeing stargirl
5-lex forming new legion of doom
6-batwoman,flash and heatwave travel to tv show gotham
7-grant gustin play as reverse flash
8-seeing green lantern
9-seeing booster gold
10-seeing old faces
11-more batman villains
12-young justice crossover
13-flash and black lightning team up
14-finally seeing earth prime batman
Yessssss!!!!! I agree with all of these!!!!
How with young justice
Jennifer and Anissa Pierce should've shown too.
Anissa & Jennifer Pierce omg yes!!!! They actually filmed a cameo for Crisis, but then Marc Guggenheim removed their cameo for Ezra Miller.
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Fair Trade
Evan Cunningham I’m 50/50 on it. I thought it was cool seeing Ezra, but at the same time it was unfair they removed their cameos. They could’ve fit them in the final battle or something, but they didn’t. I honestly don’t like Ezra Miller’s Flash very much, but I love Anissa and Jen, so I would’ve liked to see Anissa and Jen more personally. Not that it wasn’t cool to see Ezra’s flash. I just don’t like him very much. That’s just my opinion tho. 🤷🏼♂️
@@evancunningham It's not really fair at all. Anissa and Jennifer has gone through so much struggles and development over the years to be able to call themselves a "Hero". The actors have always wanted a crossover and people have been excited and begging for them ever since we even heard of the show. And we were hoping for them to appear. Ezra's flash doesn't even have development and his cameo had absolutely no effect to the story. It's just unnecessary and unfair.
They died
People who did not appear in the crisis
1)Speedy
2)Arsenal
3)Black canary
4)Kid flash
5)Jesse Quick
6)Valor
7)Saturn girl
8)hawk man
9)hawk girl
10)Citizen steel
11)Overwatch
12)Katana
13)Reverse flash
14)Vixen
15)Guardian
16)Ragman
17)Mister Terrific
18)Miss Martian
19)Red tornado
20)Zari tomaz
21)Charlie
22)Thunder
23)Lightning
24)Conor Hawke
25)William Queen
26)Talia al ghul
27)Nyssa al ghul
28)Bronze tiger
29)Death stroke
30)Jay Garrick
31)Accelerated man
32)The breacher
33)King shark
34)Grodd
Krish K Citizen Steel appeared for a little bit in the fifth episode.
Don't forget (due to restrictions)... Lynda Carter as Diana Prince/Wonder Woman
I just realized they confirmed Zari to appear but she just didn’t
The Vigilante
yh John Diggle should have been made Green Lantern and we should have seen Reverse Flash..............
I heard a theory/breakdown (I think it was Pagey), that Reverse Flash would have had a 1 minute cameo (which is where that clip in the trailer came from), but then WB asked the writers to put in Ezra Miller so Eobard's cameo was cut for Ezra's.
Which I mean yeah in terms of cameos I prefer Ezra Miller's flash as a cameo way more than Eobard Thawne but he should have had a big role.
I think John Diggle should have gotten a Lantern ring in the Anti-Monitor fight in part 5. It would be a lot more satisfying than whatever the hell Atom did.
Dude reverse flash should be Number 1
Honarable mention for Ragman
(Part 1 of 2 of my Comment Part 2 is a Reply to this Comment)
Personally this is What they should have done to include Reverse Flash in Crisis :
Instead of having the Beebo and Weather Witch parts of the crossover have the Reverse Flash show up and fight the Flash and during the fight they would travel across different cities showing the new world and even having some heroes try to help Barry stop him and during the fight Reverse Flash finds out Barry Allen is the Flash with say Supergirl calling him Barry in confusion as to why hes on her Earth (not knowing that the Earths got combined yet) and so she goes back to kill Barry and ends up killing Nora. This way would give us the Full Crisis as intended and have the Reverse Flash set-up pay off and show off this new world and that some Earths have been combined. When Barry beats Reverse Flash and Nora dies he then tries to time travel back but ends up lost in time and then you could have a small crossover with the Legends who find Barry while they are on a mission and they return Barry back to present day maybe a week or two later so that the Future Newspaper about Barry fighting the Reverse Flash and Vanishing can Finally get payed off after 6 Years of that being set- up.
I really only said Kara to be the one for giving away Barry's Secret ID cause it would show some of the Earths have combined by having here here as well as she was the one Barry teamed-up with when this new Earth got made. And that Reverse Flash would need to know that Barry Allen is the Flash somehow (as this would be a version of Reverse Flash that comes after the one that appeared in Season 2 Episode 11 back before he knew who the Flash was) for him to even go back to try to kill him only to kill Nora instead.
And for those that will disagree about all this here you go:
Yes the Newspaper has changed several times over the years but some parts of it have NEVER changed like Flash Vanishing for some unknown amount of time (which due to a new Earth could mean hes gone for a couple of weeks rather than straight up being Dead like Earth 90's Flash) and that Flash and some Heroes (The heroes change but the fact that Flash gets help during the fight DOESNT change) help him during that same fight with Reverse Flash before going back in time to the night his mother died which we have seen play out on screen but not WHY they or even WHEN they went back in time from so this would round off Reverse Flash's Story giving him and end where the only thing left to show is his origin story on screen.
in Crisis on Earth X (the Last big Crisis in the Arrowverse) Thawne Straight up said "See you next Crisis" And the next crossover called Crisis in the Arrowverse was Crisis on Infinite Earths. So Yes there was More than just the Newspaper to go off of in terms of Setting up Reverse Flash as a villain during this Crossover.
And Yes there are Multiple Crisis events (Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Flashpoint, Convergence, Dark Knights Metal, Identity Crisis and Heroes in Crisis) but Reverse Flash is referring to the NEXT one the CW was doing which was Crisis on Infinite Earths.
So what ALL the scenes with the Future Newspaper (and all its Versions across the timeline of the Arrow-verse) and the Direct Quote from the Character in Question shouldn't be counted as Definitive proof that the Crisis that Thawne was talking about WAS CRISIS ON INFINATE EARTHS as it is been set-up Since 2014, 6 Years ago by the Executive Produces of the CW. So it doesnt come from the show-runners (The ones who CHOSE to ignore the 6 YEAR SET-UP and Build up of the Reverse Flash Story-line) it comes from their Bosses and this is mentioned by Actors and show-runners that this was the plan from the start and what it was all leading up to STARTING WITH THE FUTURE NEWSPAPER ON THE FLASH.
For those that like the Beebo and Weather Witch scenes:
Yeah it is fine and i dont have a problem with it but they could have done it like i said where it Gives off the Pay off of Reverse Flash and explores the idea of the combination of Earths by having other heroes show up to help Barry like like in the Future Newspaper that has been around since Season 1 of The Flash. They Really DIDNT have to put Beebo in there at all but like ive said in other comments i dont mind it but it could have been so much better if they just didnt Especially Since the Reverse Flash being in Crisis on Infinite Earths has been set up for 6 YEARS and if you remember he has been a MAIN Villain for the Legends as well as the Flash so it would have worked seeing as the Beebo and Weather Witch scenes are from the Legends Episode of the Crossover.
And for those of you that think Reverse Flash DID know Barry was the Flash in Season 2 Episode 11 here you go:
Him Learning WHEN (not WHO) the Flash is from:
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Him Talking to Barry (Who is hiding his face in the shadows to no give away his Identity) and referring to him as Flash as he DOENT KNOW HIS NAME:
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Harrison Wells Literally Saying that he DOENT know Barry is the Flash and Barry should tell as little as possible about himself:
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Barry SAYING that Thawne DOSENT know his name:
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Thawne Calling him Flash and NOT BARRY:
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These are EVERY Scene that Reverse Flash is apart of in Season 2 Episode 11 and NONE of them Prove that he knows the Flash's Name just WHEN he comes from and that was because at that point in Thawne's life he had ONLY just become the Reverse Flash and this is his 1st battle with Barry.
(Part 2 of 2 of my Comment)
As for The rest of the Characters you mentioned i would have personally done this for them:
So for Batman I would have the heroes meet him when they try to go and resurrect Oliver in the Lazarus pit. He would be replacing Jonah Hex as they decide to only go back a few years rather than a few Centuries. This is where the meet a Batman in his prime and is tearing through waves of League of Assassins members so he can Stop Ra’s Al Ghul and Talia from using the pit. They all team up and when Ra’s is defeated they try to use the pit themselves and Batman warms them of the effects of the pit and says who Ra’s has a crippling dependence on the pits and will do anything to satisfy his craving for immortality and he Oliver really is someone worth bringing back he wouldn’t want to be anything like Ra’s or Talia. That convinces them to try a different way (By asking Constantine for help). Batman asks what they are even doing here and he decide to join them on there fight against the Anti-Monitor and he becomes the Paragon of Courage and NOT Batwoman. He does interact with Kate after seeing her wearing his Logo and asks why she’s wearing it. She tells him that ever since he disappeared crime in Gotham has gone up and no one is afraid anymore and she has dawned his Logo to help fight crime as see if she can instil fear back in to the criminals of Gotham but she cant do it as well as him. Bruce then goes on about how he doesn’t want here out there as he knows the dangers of this life and doesn’t want her to end up like Jason as he notice some similarities between the two of them. After the crossover the heroes forget when Batman is suppose to be from and just put him back in Present Day as they were in a distraught state when they picked him up they didn’t know when exactly they got him from and Batman asks to go back to when there from to help Kate fix Gotham. Batwoman could then become a team-up show with Bruce being a mentor for Kate and they could later down the line introduce more members of the Bat-Family and this would explain Batman’s absence from Earth 1 in a more satisfying way than what they probably will have on Batwoman when or IF they get round to it.
For the Green Lanterns I would have Krona appear at the Dawn of time and have the Anti-Monitor kill him in front of the Guardians who immediately leave. Later on when the Anti-Monitor returns on Earth Prime the guardians pick up some Anti-Matter on Earth and send Hal Jordan to go and help out with he issue and after monitoring Earth after the Death of Krona they send Hal with a Ring to give to someone he deems worthy of joining their ranks. When Hal gets to Earth he helps out in the fight and then the ring flies off to his surprise and the ring says “John Diggle Stewart of Earth you have great Willpower. Welcome to the Green Lantern Corps”. Then you have Hal and John fighting together with all the other heroes. This would pay off the Green Lantern Easter Eggs as well as pay off the whole John Diggle being John Stewart and have him finally become the Green Lantern.
For Black Carney i would have it that she was there from the beginning of the crossover and replaced the Scene where Barry and Sarah talk to have it be Sarah and Laurel talk instead. It would be similar to the scene with Barry with Sarah telling the story with the tree but Laurel says on her Earth it was her who won those climbing races. After realising that they are alot more similar than they think Sarah offers he a place with the Legends but Laurel turns it down as she wants to protect Star City to honour Oliver's Sacrifice now that hes gone someone needs to protect the city. they both hug and Sarah finally accepts her as her real sister and they cry knowing that they only have one another left in the Multiverse that know what they were like and all the other they have lost were like before all this superhero stuff.
For Kid-Flash I would have him in the scene where Barry considers taking Earth 90 Flash’s place and have Wally stop Barry from doing it. I would also have Wally be the one to go and get Team Flash onboard of the Wave-Rider as he knows what the ship looks like and could get them there with ease as he was once a Legend. I would have it that Laurel tells Wally and Team Flash about Earth 2’s fate where the cry for a bit about losing people they knew and loved are gone. Wally then goes to see if Jay Garrick is alive and sadly Wally is only able to rescue Jay from the destruction of Earth 3.
For Psycho Pirate I would have it that just before Crisis started he broke out of Arkham and has been recruited by a Anti-Monitor Possessed Harbinger (showing that she was always under his control) and the Anti-Monitor uses his Multiverse Awareness to locate Earths to destroy. He is also the one to get the Earth 90 Flash into the Anti-Matter Canon. I would also give Oliver’s/Spectre’s speech about the New Multiverse to him as Oliver was dead a t that point and Psycho Pirate could be telling this to a Psychiatrist at Arkham who doesn’t believe him about the Multiverse. The Psychiatrist walks out and changes back into Martian Manhunter and tells the other Paragons that he remembers everything as if the Crisis had never happened and they discuss if they should tell the world about the Crisis of if the should be the only ones to remember.
For Deathstroke i think it would have been better for him to appear during the Speed-Force Visions where Barry finds Oliver fighting Deathstroke and then have Deathstroke kill Oliver's Mother and thats where Barry finds Oliver. The two of them Team up to fight Deathstroke and win and it shows just how much the world has changed since that moment and how the new Multiverse will be giving us the audience a bit of foreshadowing about how Heroes like the Flash have been around and have teamed up with other heroes more often than before.
For Red Tornado I would have him be the Paragon of Humanity instead of it being Ryan Choi. This would be fitting as all Red Tornado wants is to be Human and to feel Human and for him to be the Paragon of Humanity would be a touching moment for him as it shows that even though he is not a Human and is a synthetic android he is a very Human person and is deemed worthy of being considered not only Human but a Paragon of Humanity. This feels better than introducing a new character as he has appeared in the Arowverse before and so I feel as if the role of Paragon should be given to a new character rather than an established one.
For Katana I would have here be there with the heroes that want to try and rescue Oliver’s soul from Purgatory as she is one of his oldest and closest friends. It would be that she gives Constantine her sword to look through (As her sword can see and trap souls in it). The go to meet Lucifer and while in Purgatory she sees her family and decides to stay there with her family, choosing to die happy rather than return back with the others.
For the Legion of Superheroes I would only have Brainiac 5 be there and just assist in helping the heroes stop Lex from trying to kill every Superman, Have him fight alongside them and even have him try to call the Legion for help only to find that the wave killed them all as the wave of Anti-Matter effects the Future just as much as the past and Brainiac 5 is the last living member of the Legion of Superheroes which upsets Kara and the other heroes from Earth 38 who knew them.
I would also like to change the “Justice League” scene at the end to this. So After Oliver’s Funeral (which includes Everyone in the Arrowverse who has shared a scene with Oliver that is a hero) Barry and Superman gets to work on fixing up the Hall of Justice and bumps his head on something invisible and he hears a woman’s voice say “You better not have left a dent in my jet”. He looks up to see Wonder Woman. Clark and Diana recognise one another and begin to chat. A week or so later Barry invites a few heroes to the Hall of Justice. These Heroes would then become the Justice League include: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl. Hawkgirl questions why they are here and why it took Barry and the others so long to include her in these big events. Barry tells her that with the whole reincarnating thing its hard to track down her and Hawkman to ask for their help during these crossovers. Barry then gets interrupted by Batman asking what if we aren’t enough to protect the Earth? And Barry looks over at Oliver’s Costume and says there will always be heroes who will fight until the very end, some that will give their very lives to serve Justice and the 7 of use are in a League of out own. A Justice League if you will.
If you remember the Season 1 Finale, Reverse Flash said that he hated the Flash and then he learned his name, Barry Allen, and got to idea to kill his younger self to erase him from the future.
I completely agree...
DEATHSTROKE Yeah, in his time, Thawne found out that he was always meant to become the adversary to the Flash, the reverse flash, but he didn't know who the flash was. So in season 2, Thawne travels back from his time to Barry's Time and tries to figure out WHEN the Flash is from. He never learns the Flash's name. Once he finally learnt Barry's name he went back to kill him but the flash of that time went back with him and saved Barry so Thawne killed Nora. Then he got stuck in that time for 15 years and eventually faded away when Eddie killed himself.
@@rattgirl5 yeah, all we need now is a scene where a Reverse Flash learns Barry's name and gets the kill his younger self, hence erasing the Flash from existence.
You don’t understand how excited I was when I saw the legion ship, I thought it would have been mon-el and imra. BUT NOOO.
All I can say is Wow... You are definitely on your way man. Keep your dream alive.
Dang, Laurel as a Paragon would have made so much sense.
I love Black Canary! She’s awesome! Katie Cassidy does such a good job, and I really do wish she appeared in Crisis, too. More than Reverse Flash (surprisingly) imo. She really does feel like the comic book Black Canary. She’s always such a joy on screen. I hope Green Arrow and The Canaries gets to become a show so I can see more of her!
Katie's SO MUCH better at being the Black Canary than Juliana... hands down.
Julie is great tho
But I agree
Katie has been disrespected throughout the ArrowVerse so damn much
Here’s hoping the new show can give Canary justice
James Burgess yes!!!!
Sean Powell I agree, even tho I still really like Juliana’s version.
Black Canary E2 and Reverse Flash should honestly tie on the No.1 spot imo... And it would also be intresting to see how Barry and Laurel E2 react with each other since they have fought on Flash S02E20or21.
Also Laurel and Sara’s interactions could be fun
@@ItsButterBean1020 true, although we have already seen some interactions between the two. One of the reasons I think Laurel and Barry's interactions are interesting is that they have never interacted after Laurel's redemption or Flash S02.
I would have switched between number 1 and 2, because personally my solution is that they should have just not given her a test in season 8. I mean I really liked the gift Novu gave her after the test (seeing Quentin), but the test itself wasn't really handled that well. I don't mind that it happened, but if it didn't happen I would not have cared. Reverse-Flash on the other end was set up for 5 freaking years to be in the Crisis, they confirmed he will, and they showed him in a trailer and at the end he was NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.
Also, I think you should have mentioned in the video what role would you have given to those characters. Because personally I don't see how the Green Lantern Core would have fit into this (except for having that guy create the multiverse which I really don't think would have worked like in the comics because he appeared out of nowhere while Mar Novu is way more established).
I’ve maintained Thawne should have tried gaining power which unleashed the AM before becoming Pariah
That or have him take Lex’s role
James Burgess thawne is not pariah doesnt fit him he doesnt regret nor does he feel remorse
I prefer Crisis on Earth X. That had more characters. And a lot of my favorites. Especially the Zari, Killer Frost, and Vixen team up.😍😄🤣
It’s crazy that this was a 5 hour crossover and there were still so many things that they could’ve and should’ve done
Poor time management
In my opinion, if there was one thing I would change in the whole crossover, it would be that ending in part 5. Instead of "Gleek" I would've replaced it with Reverse Flash showing up in the JL place right behind the heroes, taking Barry from them and then disappearing without any trace which would explain the newspapers in the Flash Season. Again, this is my opinion
I really wished the legion and reverse flash to be in crisis on infinite earths so bad
Black Canary should've been the paragon of strength
Mari McCabe Damn Sure should have appeared!!!!!
Agree with Laurel/Black Siren. As mentioned she was tested like he did with the other paragons. I think she would have been perfect as the paragon of humanity. They should have left out Ryan Choi completely. Her character arc on arrow has been about changing from villain to hero and finding her humanity. This would have been the perfect end to her arc on the show.
You could even say it’s the nature of humanity to change for the better
I agree to this entire video, all of these characters should've appeared, especially since some of them had a role from the Crisis comic, I wish it happened, and Lucifer and Smallville Superman should've join in the Crisis crossover with the team, Lucifer should've been in Hell, but was found by Constantine and was free and join the team, it should've been a set up for Lucifer Season 5 instead of a cameo and Smallville Superman should've still have his powers and join the team with his suit, that would've been awesome.
She's not from the Arrowverse,but Laura Vandervoort's Kara should have been included.
I imagine that someday the characters that should of made a few appearances in the crossover show series of (CRISIS ON THE INFINITE EARTHS) will be given the chance to make a small number of appearances on in other ways, and to add on all the shows being shown on the CW network.
Other restrictions aside, you also have the time restrictions to consider. It would have required a few more episodes to get all of those characters into the storyline.
Honestly I hope they reference psycho pirate in Batwoman. Like maybe a newspaper article talking about Arkham with Psycho Pirate escaping/ going crazy talking about multiverse
I don't think they ever specified that batman quit. I think they just stated that he was missing so he might have been unable to help with crisis.
Daniel Rosario he might come back, they’ve left the door open on batwoman and I think that’d be the most logical thing to do on her show
I really do think hawkman/hawkgirl should've been there. After Legends S1, they left and we never heard from them again. It would've been so amazing if they made some badass entrance when no one was expecting them because they're such classic characters that got the ball rolling for a lot of the plots in the arrowverse, so to me it made zero sense to not have them return. Plus, their storyline in the arrowverse was kinda simple so it wouldn't have been too difficult to write them in somehow, especially since their time on the arrowverse ended with them just moving away and continuing to help people. It's not like they died or anything
10. Deathstroke
9. Red tornado
8. Kid Flash
7. Katana
6. The Leigon
5. Green lantern Corp
4. Batman(Earth-1)
3 .
2. Reverse Flash
1. Black canary
Now the question is when will Thawne appear
Another hint to Hal Jordan was the pilot episode of The Flash and the testing at Ferris Airfield.
I think they should've had the mergings of the earths bring back jefferson jackson as a solo firestorm since the loss of martin since they were able to bring back Ciscos powers even if they were temporary. But of course his would continue back on to the show
Dude the music is so loud.
All remarkably valid points. Good job.
Not even just crisis i want mon el to return as a series regular like cmon the actors of kara and mon el are married i dont think it would be hard to get him on set
black canary could've easily replaced ryan choi. and he could've been introduced in legends season 5
10:James Olsen
9:The Legion
8:Kid-Flash
7:Arsenal
6: Speedy
5:Batman
4:Reverse flash
3:Thunder
2:Lighting
1: Black Canary(E2)
i still want to know what was up with that Batman mask on Lian Yu in Earth Two
I guess Bruce took Slade’s Role
My theory is him and Adrian were on Lian Yu and his death inspired Chase yo become the Hood of Earth 2
@@ItsButterBean1020 Man it doesn't make sense. When barry and cisco went to earth-2 there were the names of Bruce, Diana and Hal so it was confirmed that Batman was a hero but then why is his mask on lian yu replaced by deathstroke. And it was confirmed in a news report that Robert Queen was the hood of Earth-2 so how is adrian the hood on earth-2 in arrow season 8
@@saminahsan477 my guess is Adrian was the Red Arrow to Robert Queen and after Robert was exposed Adrian took over as the Hood
No idea on the Bruce thing tho
@@saminahsan477 called a different parallel universe
@@miyadeen2978 ?
WB is like the bat-embargo of the arrowverse
how you gonna make batwoman a paragon but laurel doesnt even appear?
:49 after Crisis these restrictions should no longer exist.
I wanted Jessie Quick to appear in crisis where she along with E2 Laurel were the only 2 that escaped from the anti matter wave since she is a speedster that can travel to different earths
I think reverse flashes cameo was cut for the dceu flash
The Reverse Flash was cut for the Ezra Miller flash scene, just be grateful!
Yea so I'm the only person that remember that there was Firestorm on Legends?
They should’ve showed Jay Garrick and the female speedster he’s training at the ending like how they showed Earth 96 Superman back
Okay, three DC shows ended soon with one of them being shown with Licifer. Make that 4. The other three shows are Krypton, iZombie and Preacher all ended. I would say Gotham as well, but I would not see Disney allowing any characters to appear against their Marvel superheroes.
I wanted Helen of Troy to appear for some reason😂
I wanted Lynda Carter to appear representating the Amazons. Due to restrictions...she couldn't! 🙄
It would've been nice to see Diana Prince meet Helen Of Troy. 😉
Agreed, I wanted Helen of Themyscira to represent the Amazons.
It would have been amazing if Deathstroke showed up.
I think they are mixing the two versions of Wally into one so they aren’t forgetting about him they are saving him for the next crossover and have it be about things being wrong in the timeline like the thanagarians
I would've preferred The Leigon and their ship over the Waveriders
Are we gonna see Vixen anytime soon?? Please please!!
This crossover was not great at all! The Cameos did not save the crossover at all, I’d honestly prefer original characters then the cameos
i think it got too much hype and the producers annouced so many things and they just sucked when it came out in my opinion the ezra miller and grant gustin flash cameo was the only good part it was hyped up way to much and it just kinda sucked for example i thought kevin conroys bat man was going to have a way bigger role and it just sucked.
Wyatt Babb agreed
@@poncianocasas8147 i wish we saw thawne and a better spectere fight also i hate that they showed thawne in the trailer but never showed him and how lex killed kingdom come superman for a while they just crammed a bunch of crap into one crappy crossover
@@wyattbabb3698 The reason you are saying that Ezra Miller cameo was the best part because you didn't knew about it, it would not be the best if you knew about it beforehand. Literally everyone would've lost their minds if they didn't announce ANY of the cameos. The crossover was great, but it was spoiled too much.
I love your reason about batman, he really should have been a parogon.
this crossover was hyped up too much and too much to the point it wasnt that good to me
Wyatt Babb yeah
I loved it
The Vigilante and the Guardian, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green lantern
Do u think how diggles son is now his daughter again do u think maybe another Wally somehow appears
People don’t know black canary if they don’t watch arrow I know I don’t
@Superboy YT well who is she I thought she was white canary’s sister
Do a updated character tier list
The fact that the Arrowverse isn't bringing in Batman is more due to the fact that he's been in the Movieverse DCEU, and there's an agreement of not having two of the same character on two different size screens (big screen/move and small screen/tv show). That's why it took so long for Superman to appear beyond a shadowed figure with the sun behind his head. It's also why Supergirl and Batwoman are being used in their places. There's this tongue-in-cheek references, but that's all they can do more often than not. Live Action rights to characters is tricky business, especially if both a Movie Continuity and a TV Show Continuity has the same source material and are being produced at the same time.
Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are the Big Three of DC Heroes when it comes to team-ups. There's only so much that can be done with them if they are currently being used. We so casually mentioned that they can cross promote from time to time, but there's still tiny devil details that make it much harder. Cross Promotion isn't exactly encouraged at the best of times. It was a legit surprise that the Movieverse people contacted the Arrowverse people and asked them to allow Ezra Miller to have a small cameo scene in Crisis.
Because there's a lot of behind-the-scenes jargon that makes it difficult with more than one actor physically portraying the same character, it makes it harder on the writing staff to work around those characters being absent. It's why Supergirl's a Paragon as well as Batwoman. Sure Lex replaced a Superman as a Paragon, but that's besides the point.
Honestly, the budget for Crisis on Infinite Earths should have been tripled, and allowed all previous heroes to come back for the second fight against the Monitor, with Green Arrow Oliver Queen leading the calvary. And at the end of it all, Oliver could explain that, because he became the Specter during the Crisis, the Reboot couldn't restore him as a Human Being, and only has a couple of days to say goodbye to everyone before leaving to become the Specter, effectively dying as a Human.
But Budgets, Character rights, time, and at least a dozen other factors watered down the Crisis.
Sidenote: The biggest Enemy of such big events being successful is the Fan Hype. Fan Hype can ruin Crossovers, especially because they set their personalized bar too high and the show can't meet their over the top expectations.
Just saying!!!
The funeral scene with thea
Black canary
Speedy
Arsenal
Vibe
Elongated man
Reverse flash
Wally
Brainy
Firestorm "mentioned in the newspaper"
Hawkgirl "mentioned in the newspaper"
the reason why batman didn't appeared so batwoman can have a spotlight
Wally and Bart are my favorite Speedsters, why does Cw Hate Me😂
earliest ive been to a vid lmao
i absolutely agree with your view on black canary. The arrowverse has ruined black canary so much, she should have appeared.
I think they just wanted to remove all the characters because of budget and also they have to pay the actors an insane amount!
this guy slapping out content too much and it’s basically the same thing. Like slower your roll bro, baby don’t trip
Crisis on Earth X has been my favorite crossover, this is my second Favorite
Oh god, that is horrible
As unrealistic as it would've been... Imma say it,
I wish that Gotham from the FOX tv series "Gotham" made an appearance. Like, Batwoman meeting Mazouz Wayne and it taking place before S5 (or maybe after, just a thought)
People who should be in the arrowverse
1. Green lantern
2. Batman
3. The teen titans
4. Zatana
5. Wonder woman
6. Rest of justice league including aquaman
Plus Black Canary would have had direct connections to both Oliver and Sarah. How weird would it have been to have Oliver die again watched over by the two women whose deaths affected him most outside of his mom?
Crisis wouldn't have given enough time to do justice to the Batman story line that was set up last year's crossover. Also, give Batwoman a chance its just starting out. Why Bruce Wayne left Gotham City deserves more time to do it justice than the cameo only that crisis could have afforded to give it. The Arrowverse probably wants to establish the show 1st, than tackle what happened to Batman
I might be wrong, but I though Pariah was "Reverse Flash" transformed by the Anti-Monitor.
No hahaha what the hell made you come to THAT conclusion? Its nash wells.
@@themultiverseproductions8492 I get confused about all the H. Wells portrayed by Tom Cavanough. I have a hard time telling them apart.
A version of firestorm should’ve appeared
I think thunder and lightning should have appeared
1:34 Typically petty of them.
what about Jim Corrigan from Constantine series?
Will probably be explained in Black Lightning (which I don't really watch) but, why did Jennifer survive her Earth being destroyed and just ... not even appear?
It was just so pointless her surviving but i guess it'll be revealed on her show.
bruh every hero to ever exist in arrow verse should have appeared like HELLO!
CW doesn't have a budget like that.
Constantine, more of matt ryan rather then kai , he needs to go back to tvd universe
I have only two complains about the crisis:
1. Batman
2. Reverse Flash
I agree with my baby Black canary
Rf should be no.1.,.... he should’ve played a main role in crisis....
Batman is off limits due to the up coming movie ... also they still don’t know where Earth 1 is.
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Hi
Does no one listen the article changed it was stated that because of Nora's meddling the year and the circumstances in which crisis was set were drastically alters from s simple street battle to a multiverse ending threat A.K.A THE ANTI MONITER
There are ways to look Ezra's Flash cameo negatively. The DCEU characters possibly being turned into chumps for the sake of making the CW boyish lookin/sounding heroes look good. Especially when it comes to their Gary Stu Oliver Queen. He's dead but that doesn't necessarily guarantee he won't ever be back. Truth is the DCEU heroes should serve as mentors to the CW heroes. Can anyone see the CW heroes being made to look more competent than the DCEU heroes. The DCEU heroes look like they'd be the mentors of the CW heroes(except for Ezra and Ray Fisher). The CW heroes feel like kids between the way they look and talk and act. Very youthful faces and no bass in their voices. They might not be teenagers but they certainly don't feel like men. Stephen Amell's Oliver Queen would be following Batfleck's lead. Tyler Hoechlin's Superman would be following Henry Cavill's lead. The only CW superhero who looks and sounds like a man is Cress Williams as Black Lightning. It's dumb to think that Stephen "Adolescent voice" Amell would ever lead Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill or Gal Gadot.