They didn't forget, they just decided to not go with it anymore. In 5x01 Cecile says something like "I may not actually be losing my powers" after she still senses something despite having already given birth
I mean the original director and writer left after season 4 so, we can thank Eric Wallace for leaving her with the power. You see Eric Wallace was litteraly the downfall of the flash
I think he was also there to prove that not every version of Wells was this genius in every universe, since before him we only saw smart Wells, so I feel he's more unique than most of the later Wells.
I never understood eric wallace's obsession with cecile. Her powers make no sense and only do whatever the plot needs. I miss when team flash was just barry, cisco and caitlin.
@@RFJ0KERseason 1+2 for the most part. They of course had some extra pieces to help fill the room, but you could tell the trio was the dominant set of the team.
100% agree about Ralph Dibney. Hartley Sawyer getting fired was so ironic to his chracter arc in the show, but the silver lining is that Eric Wallace never got the chance to ruin the character.
Yeah but I supposed that if he had stayed he would've been better than Cecil, Allegra and Chester as they were the worst supporting cast in the show and Ralph would've been at that point the only remaining member of the original team after Cisco, Caitlin, and others.
"lets make a character thats the low of humanity, a selfish womanzing scumbag, and show he's still worth redemption. Just to fire the actor for making some 2010s shock humor jokes that weren't even that bad". Completely ruined the shows entire message on redemption
@@aetriandimitri190. yeah i see what you’re saying. i do feel like part of the reason he left may be do to the black members if the cast. they may have not felt comfortable working with him, but they never actually came out and said anything so they may have not even cared. i can see why some people would feel a certain way though, no matter how long ago certain “jokes“were made it doesn’t make it any less hurtful. and racism as a joke is such a weird concept, the 2010s were a crazy time.
@@sadebraimah5962 he didn't leave on his own terms he was fired. Plus any black person would see his jokes weren't even racist, him saying as a joke "oh no I was outed as a racist AGAIN", isn't even saying anything racist. Like I saw a shock humor joke of "I saw a black man driving a vintage car, told my friend I missed when we could buy those, he said he agreed and that old cars looked great, I asked 'the cars?'" And even that i don't think for a moment the person saying it was racist, it was a joke poking fun at racism if anything. I wouldn't be uncomfortable about someone making shock humor jokes about Mexicans to me when they're clearly just jokes meant for laughs.
Chester and Allegra's relationship is so bizarre and creepy when you realize he admitted that Chester was his self-insert and that Allegra is a character he created.
Especially since the only reason Chester is in the show because Eric Wallace wanted to have Mister Terrific on the show but couldn’t get the actor to do it so he had a parody of him
@@tommydevito4105 not gonna lie ahhah I watched flash before the arrow and I saw mr terrific in one of the crossovers and totally forgot about him and then chester came and I thought it was him after he was done working with arrow xD
Cecile was so awful that she made the fandom stop hating Iris, and start hating her. Do you know how terrible your character has to be to make the fans forget “We are the flash”?
See, for the “We are the Flash” line, Iris was trying to say that Barry isn’t doing it on his own. She’ll be there for him. Instead, it made it seem like she does the same stuff that he does.
@@tombstonerforever9374 you mean like when she tried to be the leader of the flash team despite having two scientists who can figure out how to stop them, three metahumans, and a lead detective. She tends to be incredibly selfish and narcissistic such as getting upset with Barry for sending Nora back despite her working with Thawne. Makes him feel like garbage despite knowing what he’s been through and she hasn’t had nearly any struggles in life. She’s not a good character my dude. You can’t blame fans for hating her. And I used that example because it’s common. People use it out of context but it does sum up how terrible her character is
@@Dearevanhansen223 I agree. But it didn’t stop there. The argument that she had with Barry in season 5 was the worst of Iris. Ironically since Barry was in the wrong in the argument, Iris just went too far in the argument: bringing up his past, saying how things are always his fault and literally telling Barry that she doesn’t care that Nora was working the guy that murdered Barry’s mother.
@@tombstonerforever9374 and when he said “maybe if he had killed your mother you’d understand”. I was like…yeah. She’s always been incredibly selfish. Thea accepted and hugged Oliver when she found out he’d been lying about being a hero and saving lives instead of doing what iris did which was cry, complain, and belittle everyone in her life. She’s been annoying since season one. Her reasons for being an awful character are different each season but she’s never been a good character. Having good elements and aspects doesn’t make it good. Just cause I have the incredible for a pizza doesn’t mean I’m not gonna char the hell out of it
@@Dearevanhansen223 agreed it's like she's forgetting that Thawne killed Eddie (he committed suicide but still he wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for Thawne), and that Thawne would kill Joe, Nora and anyone she cares about if he had the chance but she still makes Barry feel like crap and says; "I don't care if he killed your mom." And I'm like "fuck you Iris you selfish bitch."
@@straightblackgirl only cus Tom is a good actor and clearly has fun playing 50 versions of the same guy. If it wasn’t for his skills and dedication some versions aren’t that amazing
@@buincqv67 imo harry is the best wells. i think he should have also been in the show permently after season 4. shelouqe was useless, harry should have stayed and raluf should have done the investegation maybe even teaming up with harry to uncover the truth. nesh wells was so annoying, he was good with his relation to crisis but i think he should have died during it, maybe by sacrfing himslef as sort of "redemation" for starting crisis in the first place and after the world became earth prime harry should have been the wells with jessie now living with him maybe even being the flash for a diferent city
I feel like even if it was weird as it was, Cecile probably wouldn’t be as bad if she lost her powers in season 5. Hell, I still liked her even by the end of 4…
When Eric Wallace found out that he wasn’t getting 2 seasons for Khione’s storyline, he should’ve just cut the character and just had Caitlin come back with powers
Nah khione was a black goddess, you can tell by the name, but he couldn't get rid of the actress so he killed her characters and essentially made her a black character and he would never get rid of that. Sound like a conspiracy theory but team flash and the other hero speedsters were 80percent black by the end of the show it just shows the agenda. The show runner wanted it to be a black show a d djdnt care about backing it up with good writing. ...just pure agenda
@@conordyer2307Khione is based on Chione the Greek Goddess of snow and ice and daughter of Boreas the personification of the Northern Wind. There really isn’t a black snow/ice/winter god/goddess in any pantheon with a possible exceptions being Shu the ancient Egyptian God of the cooling wind and Oya the Orisha of Weather of the Yoruba pantheon that influenced the development/creation of the Marvel character Storm.
Ezra Miller who's a criminal was allowed to go on a red carpet for The Flash movie While Hartley Sawyer who only posted tweets gets kicked off a show 💀💀
Personally I loved HR Wells, to me he felt like a very loveable and charming character and was a unique direction compared to the Wells versions that came before him. I was genuinely very sad when he died. Probably still my favorite Wells, though Harry definitely grew on me. Sherloque was easily my least favorite.
@@ninjanibba4259 I’m rewatching the show cus I heard it ended (I stopped when they brought in blood work I think) and to my surprise yes she is in season 1 for 2 episodes. 1 scene where she says they have no way to contain metas if they exist and another scene in another episode where she tells joe it’s illegal to imprison metas and move them from one illegal site to another.
i think iris was still pretty interesting in season 3 but that was mainly because she was dealing her possible future death, and because candice patton is just a genuinely good actress
thats what i think too but then S6 made her intresting again only for the first half then not interesting for the rest as eric wallace love making iris disapper each season
@@ninjanibba4259 honestly the way the season went i think it would’ve been so great if they spent the entire season trying to save her only for her to die anyway, but after henry died at the end of season 2 i’m glad they didn’t, i think it might’ve felt kinda cheap in the context of the whole show
@@AJ-bg6ko it's just....she's a nothing character, I wanted Barry with someone else too, the dude has chemistry with literally every other female than Iris
@@ninjanibba4259Grant Gustin disagrees 🤷🏻♀️ it's kinda funny that chemistry is code for I hated her for a line so I want her replaced with real nothing characters that are everything people criticize her for.
i honestly hate the whole on concept of "team flash" bec barry relies on the SO MUCH to point they literally have to tell him what to do all the time n can't think for himself. it's annoying bec in the comics barry is on of the smartest characters in the dc universe so his little sidekicks telling him things that are either common sense or things he can figure out on his own is frustrating
Realistically looking back I fell in love with Caitlin’s character and I really like the actress. Seeing how S1-2-3 treated her so well kept my hopes up.
I agree that killer frost should never have been seperate from caitlin or changed her origin. The idea of caitlin becoming killer frost due to barry messing with the timeline is more compelling than her being born with it. However, i like the fact that she became a hero, i just hoped she'd be more like an anti hero, and the team constantly has to stop her from killing her enemies.
I think they should’ve learned something from Arrow. Oliver and Slade were best friends on the island but became mortal enemies. And then Slade got redemption. I think Caitlin should’ve been the main villain of season 3. Remember that Killer Frost episode. It was so personal to Barry and it was great. And it would’ve helped the show too by having a great villain who is not a speedster. Because 3 speedster villains in a row was a problem. Then they could’ve had Savitar as the main villain in season 4 and in that there could be a few scenes with Caitlin locked in prison or something throughout that she goes through a season long redemption story and finally rejoins Team Flash at the end of season 4 or beginning of season 5. This idea had so much potential.
I agree with your opinion about Iris. I think most people's hate on her is excessive. Hell, I saw most Chinese audiences who hate her so much that they even start to despise Candice Patton, who plays her, calling her to be the one who single-handedly ruined the show by buying her way into the crew and forcing changes in the writing, but I don't think that's the case. I think Candice is just an actress working with the material she was provided with and she's doing a good job in it.
@@mariha63 I agree. She was never a writer or a producer on this show, yet those haters don't give a shit. For me, it was after the "Crisis On Infinite Earths" crossover that I started to feel a drastic change in the show and not in a good way. And then, a nosedive quality-wise for the show. I think overall, everything Eric Wallace did with season nine of the show is straight up spitting in the face of long-time fans, delivering us what I consider to be one of the worst and most insulting finales ever made. It is unforgivable.
@@tonydaily2593 my main problem is the hypocrisy and double standards when it comics to the fandom that support candice patton. The people that support candice patton/iris have no problem if the show focuses on the love story of barry-iris. But those same twats including black lion hate felicity smoak/emily. And their reason is coz of their blind comic book traditions coz they did not get oliver-laurel. Iris has been a boring character most of the show with little storylines. but she gets support from her "black" community and the comic book fans. Yet felicity after s4 has had great development with good storylines and yet she still gets blind hate. felicity did not give cringe lines like "we are green arrow". unlike iris felicity had separate story arcs when oliver was in jail.
Chillblaine is the definition of a coach’s kid, but change coach with director, he acts like someone they just got off the street with no experience but is constantly being pushed to the top for no reason
Something that added even more to Ralph’s character that I don’t see a lot of people realize is Ralph died in the particle accelerator explosion in the original time line and then was brought back after flash point
I kind of liked Harry’s story in season 4 because he is supposed to be the smart one to fix and help Team Flash and with Devoe being one step ahead, I think, it is a great way to show his insecurities as his intellectual is everything and having a sense of control.
I will say that Eric Wallace kinda improved Barry as a character as he’s is way more competent and knows what he’s doing (like his fight with the royal flush gang and his idea to use his gold boots to “ride the lightning”). But then of carouse Barry isn’t the main character so we gotta give more screen time to Cecile.
No....this is the guy that gave Barry speed thinking and made him evil, the guy that doesn't allow Barry to grow and change nor express himself having fun
The problem with the flash is the episode count. Most of the new cast members were only created to fill the runtime so if the seasons where around 16 episodes each there would be less new main characters to introduce. Cecil would have only been important in season 4 coz of the thinker and her powers would vanish after giving birth. Other characters' storylines would have been simplified like Caitlin
This is not true anymore. Season 9 had 13 episodes and you could argue a majority of it was filler and none of the main arcs were fleshed out. Looking for a non cw example? Mandalorian season 3. 8 episodes, and i would say 5-6 were filler. This proves the filler episodes will ALWAYS happen regardless.
@@samuelketner1391 I didn't mean filler episodes. What I meant was, if a season long story can be told in 16 episodes but the season has 23 episodes, a new character is created to create a new arc to reach the target 23. This new character then becomes a waste of time and a problem later on. Eg, Caitlin needed something to do so Killer Frost became a separate character, because KF stayed, chill bane and Khione were created and now all three suck. Domino effect. Season 9 is just the by product of previous seasons having too many episodes.
facts and cecile was fine til S7 and all the new team flash characters couldve been good if they just stick with what they had in the beginning when we met them, Allegra was fine in S6 and they couldve expanded more and just stuck her with Iris for the CC Citizen all the time unless her story interwined with Team Flash, Chester just make him a recurring character and less like cisco
Stuff like this is why Legends and Superman & Lois for the most part are better for runtime episodes, they don't waste time and they balance fillers and storytelling pushing each other along
Caitlin got the worst fall from grace, especially as a fan of hers She started out so strong, seeing her only appear for 2 minutes in a single episode to play doctor and the rest is dedicated to cecile and chester and allegra all getting 10 minutes each while 4 minutes of Barry being a speedster that can’t dodge a normal weapon and 3,5 minutes on Iris of either being a competent reporter or a total marry sue and Cisco got 3 minutes being funny
My problem with Cecile is that she never took over for Joe as this rock the team really needed. I thought they were going to position her as this new Joe, where the sweet heartfelt moments would come from. Boy was I fucking wrong
In my opinion Cecile getting powers wasn’t a bad thing. I actually really liked them at first, and I really think they could’ve been used to tell a good and compelling story over time, but the writers became so dependent on them in every scene she was in which led to her downfall. Also, one of the biggest problems w the flash is that so many characters never have anything to do for the entire season and no one ever really gets killed off after S3 so they all just stock up. The flash should’ve stuck with the system of killing off a main character each season. And they also needed to stop introducing all those damn Wells’. I got so tired of them after S3.
thats what i believe and i realized in S7 her charcater became so bad that she was just used to baby us about emotions and imo cecile was a good character and had a good amount of screen time til S7 and they shouldve not made her a series regular but instead a recurring character
There’s such a good foundation for Barry to have this adopted dad who really cares about him, but also firmly believes that Barry’s dad killed his mom and maybe even was the arresting officer, and thinks Barry’s insistence that his father is innocent is just a trauma response. Joe petered out on this show, but his character could definitely recur in future adaptations.
one thing i’ll never forgive the flash as a whole is that they screwed up wally. he finally became kid flash just for him to leave at the beginning of next season. he became kid flash from episode 10 all the way till ep 15 where they tried killing him off. then his character was so terrible from there forward, he never really felt like kid flash. also same on the jesse quick relationship thing, because it was so pointless since she didn’t even come back.
I loved all the wells personally, HR was funny and his death was heartbreaking, Harry was grim but his relationship with cisco was the best part, and Nash and Sherloque were decent too.
To be honest, I hated Iris since the beginning, and it peaked in season 4... however, as the seasons went by, she became more and more tolerable because the newer side characters went so bad, I wanna puke- Sorry if that seemed rude, but every single movie or show is going downhill nowadays with the exception of a few
I'd love a Jay Garrick movie starring Teddy Sears. He played the character so well. Obviously he wasn't the real deal, but still. A movie set in the ancient years of the 1940's with the original Flash, yes. Please.
In hindsight Wally and Barry have a very similar relationship to Miles and Peter in the Insomniac Games, being introduced powerless and as a supporting character who’s written well and becomes a hero
Nora is 28yrs old. As she tells barry and iris in season six. That she's twenty eight years old but she's an annoying character. I disagree on the part with hr wells. They had interesting Concept with him as a man trying to find his place in the world and some kind of redemption. The problem is they don't really tell us what he's trying to get redeemed from. And in some weird way he became sort of the morality of the group.
Season 1-4: the leather suit seasons and considered the peak of the show Seasons 5-7: the awkward seasons and my personal least favorites Seasons 8-9: the characters are still butchered but at least it has the most comic accurate flash suit and the villians i was asking for since S3
Def the three distinct eras of the show but here are mine Seasons 1-3: Peak Flash seasons, good suits, great villains, the real ending of the show in s3 Season 4: Best suit and barely missed the peak seasons Seasons 5-7: Awful suits, terrible character plot lines, and bad villains Seasons 8-9: better than the previous three seasons and close to the level of what s4 was, great suit, but awful side characters, good villains, but bad stories
Tbh I didnt like Chester at first but now I get why he is here. He is Cisco's replacement so I understand. What I dont understand is how Joe's girlfriend had more screen time than him!!!
14:13, That Vasectomy line seriously got me. Very Accurate ranking, though I have always thought that after 2017 (Season 3 of Flash and Season 5 of Arrow) the Arrowverse decided Let's pay our writer's less until after Season 6 of Flash/Arrow Season 8 and then decided "What if we wrote a dumpster fire?"
I would say Harry should be higher. Nora should be lower. HR should be higher. (He was better than sherloque imo) Wally is too high imo. Overall very solid list. Love the respect for ralph!
I wouldn’t say Iris’s feelings for Barry are sudden in the s2 finale. Even as far back as s1, we see that she has feelings for him, like when she sabotages his date with Linda. She just never said anything to Barry
idk I still find that a reach. There are a ton of female friends who dont want you but get jealous when you start dating other women. I encountered alot of them and seen others did too. Im not saying its every man-woman relationship but it is common. There was also a scene in season 1 when Barry tried to kiss her and she was grossed out and got pissed.
@@kevintyson1947 well yeah, because those feelings weren’t something Iris had consciously acknowledged when Barry tried to do that. She did initiate the kiss with Barry in 1x15 (it got erased, but it did still happen), so there was definitely something there early on Also…no, that’s not normal. Your friends, no matter their gender, should be happy for you when you date other people, not jealous (concerned if they pick up bad vibes from the person you’re with, but that’s not jealousy). Being jealous is not normal friend behavior
Bro, dont do my boy hr like that, he brought good humor proving that not every wells was dead serious like harry he was special in his own way i personnaly liked his caracter
My Rankings on the Flash Main Cast from Worst to Best: 19.Cecile Horton/Virtue:Easy the Worst Character in the Flash that got Worse each Season and made Eric Wallace In Love with the Actress in a Unhealthy Simp Level. 18.Khione:the Worst New Addition to the Series when it was Going to End which Bastardized Sky High and the Caitlin Character while Solving Every Problem than the Main Character,like Cecile She’s literally Plot Armor on Drugs. 17.Chillblame:I Describe Him as the Anti Ralph that Eric Wallace tried to duplicate but like him Redeeming Villains it got Worse and is no Coincidence that he Debuted on Season 7 when they Fired Hartley Sawyer. 16.Allegra Garcia:No Disrespect to the Actress but the Only Reason Why this Character Was in the series is because Eric wanted to leave a Permanent Mark to the Only Character He’s Involved in the Comics but in the End She’s as Useless as Kamila,Ultraviolet is way Better. 15.Chester P. Runk:an interesting Character and the least Hated of Eric’s but him being a Cisco Clone,his Echoing Sounds,and wasting his Black Hole Powers made him Weak and Pointless. 14.Nora West-Allen/XS:I Never had a Huge Hatred on a Character in this Series other than the Ones that Eric Wallace brought than Nora,the Entice of Retconning the Tornado Twins,is so Immature when she’s a Freaking Adult,and one Exist as a Wally Replacement on Season 4. 13.HR Wells:the Worst and most Annoying one of All the Wells. 12.Nash Wells:Interesting but after the Crisis the Character became so Unlikable. 11.Caitlin Snow: I Know she’s one of the OG’s but she was Wasted on making her a Villain or at least giving her a Happy Ending with Ronnie and Leaving the Show that to be the most Tortured Character in the Flash. 10.Killer Frost:I Actually like the Idea on this Character and I wish that She Survived and Caitlin didn’t to grow the Character,bring a Emotional Impact,and leave the Series than doing the Opposite while creating Khione. 9.Iris West:I Don’t hate the Character except Seasons 4 and 5 but she was so misused and could have been a Independent Character than making Barry making Questionable Choices. 8.Sherluke…. I mean Sherloque Wells:a Really Underrated Character that was Done Dirty by the Team and wasted Ralph Potential as a Detective. 7.Eddie Thawne:a Really Solid and Underrated Character that’s a Nice Guy you Can’t Hate but the Finale made it Difficult. 6.Wally West/Kid Flash: A Character with Tons of Potential but they wasted the Idea of making his Savitar and Him Leaving the Series on Season 4 was a Mistake and a Huge Middle Finger. 5.Joe West: a Great Father and Mentor Figure that being Heart and Emotional Moments,I Wish I Wish Season 7 and 8 and Cecile didn’t butchered his Character. 4.Harry Wells:Hands Down the Best of all of the Wells and the True One than whatever Timeless Wells was. 3.Cisco Ramon/Vibe:A Great Fun Character that’s the Fan in All of Us can Relate,I do wish he was with Liza Snart and kept his Vibe Power that the Direction it got. 2.Ralph Dibny/Elongated Man:the Best Supporting Cast than Everyone in my Opinion,has the Best Redemption Arc,is Funny,and has amazing Power,I Wish they didn’t fired the Actor all because of a 10 Year Old Tweet. 1.Barry Allen/the Flash:Easily Number 1,While not the Definitive Flash in my Opinion as not Live Action Version is Accurate unlike the Animated Movies,Grant Gustin is a Fantastic Actor that Brought a Emotional Inpact and changed the Character Forever,Yes he acts Dumb,not Overpowered,and acts on his Emotions,The Main Character Wins this Spot.
I disagree with some of the ratings here. I thought Chester was okay, I met guys like him in real life and he at least has a backstory episode which is also a time travel episode, I liked it. Doesn't hold a candle to Cisco but he was fine. Khione was kind of interesting, at least she felt like a fresh, unusual character. Not something I've seen before. Allegra and Cecile are by far the worst. Allegra literally has no character. She doesn't feel like a real person at all. And Cecile is just irritating - what's what invasion of privacy all the time? If she did that to me I'd be like "hey stay away from me, my emotions are private". Usually in movies villains do that, but in here she's supposed to be a hero for invading everyone's privacy without permission? She could be perfect as a psychiatrist, instead, she invades privacy of the main characters.
I think H.R Wells is the best of the Harrison Wells. Cisco/Vibe is my favorite character and is a shame that thw showrunners remove him from the show and difn't let him comeback in the finale. Elongated Ma is another character that i love. If wasn't for the stupidity of the CW to fured him i would like to see an Elongated Man tv series about metahuman investigations.
Ralph being number 3 shows just how bad of an idea it was to fire him. Especially when the entire point of his character was redeeming a terrible person, and yet they fire him for shock humor jokes a decade prior when he had already redeemed himself to be amazing, the jokes weren't even bad for their time as it was just the typical "dishwasher didn't work so I beat her" tier humor that was common and wasn't even as bad as those. It especially sucks since it completely ended his career, he hasn't made any appearance or had roles since, which sucks because he was such a good actor
I wish we got to see S3 Ending Catlin, who said that she isn't Killer Frost or Catlin, what could have been interesting but they retconed it in the next season. It's a shame I always wanted to see Frost (Meta Catlin) and what she would do with her new powers and life and not the return of Killerfrost, really missed oportunity.
The only reason I like Allegra, Cecile, and Chester is because they’re so awful that they took off all the pressure of being the worst character ever off of Candice Patton. In season 3 and 4 she was the worst and in season 5 she was second worst right behind Nora.
Wasn’t Julian a main character in season 3? Either way I would put him at #9 cause he was interesting and redeemed in a good way. But felt kinda useless as season 3 went on
I'm so dissappointed that Caitlin didn't become something more like a recurring villian for The Flash. Having a character start on the good guys' team then awaken to her powers that drive her against them for the rest of the show would've been so awesome. They could have even done something similar to what they did w/ Capt. Cold where her powers slow down Barry when he's nearby to possibly elevate her to main villian status.
I think Frost being a split personality could have worked if they didn’t make her a hero. Like make Caitlin struggle with Killer Frost taking over and acting like a villain a few times, then they can split the two like they did in season 7 and bring Killer Frost back as a recurring villain and maybe even a main villain.
Besides eric wallace how many allegra and cecil fans are there actually? Also I agree that it is ironic that Ralphs introduction is a redemption arc, but then the show can't look past his old tweets. Last thought Barry and Iris both might have been better characters if in the end there weren't half dozen characters calling them "Mom and Dad"
Especially when those tweets weren't even bad, just shock humor that were obviously meant to be jokes. And in interviews and everything could clearly see he's not like that. It'd be fine if it didn't mean his career was over, 0 new roles or public appearances, we lost an amazing actor that could've become someone great over fking shock humor jokes
I think i slowly came to a stop with this show around when the Thinker came around. Pretty sure thats when team flash started, and it got more cheesy and phoney from there on, and it ended that way to. I loved the show early on and enjoyed Tom Cavanah's performance all throughout, since i would watch clips of his characters after i stopped.
Cecile was I'm gonna say fine and good till S4 ending... after that she should have continued her role as DA and help flash regarding those affairs rather than being a main character in the later seasons of 8 and 9
Something I loved about Harry was how smart he really was. Eobard is a genius in his century and he needed to steal a tachyon device. Harry not only duplicated the device but he made it so small, it hides behind the flash emblem "because it sucks".
While I agree with most of this list, I will have to disagree with you on H.R. I was always a sucker for a Wells that was a pure emotional core and I look back on him fondly. This is your list though, I'll give you that
I don’t think you’re in the minority when it comes to not hating Iris. If anything, the real minority is the vocal minority who hated her for her characterisation in Seasons 4 and 5 and never let go of it or remembered her from the earlier seasons
To this day, i still ask why Cecile, Chill lame, Allegra and Chester were upgraded to regulars. They worked better in small doses and didn't feel so superfluous. Although Chester's meta status bothered me because the show seemed to forget he was a metahuman until the last minute. Sue Dearbon or Impulse would have been better choices as regulars. Or transplanting other Arrowverse characters like Lyla, Dreamer, Diggle, Ray Pamler, Ryan Choi, I still feel that Hartley Sawyer deserved a second chance. Yes, the tweets were nasty, but does it reflect who he is now? His character got redemption, let's see it happen in real life. If anything, it would've been great publicity to show that remorse and forgiveness can trump cancel culture. Let's hope he's doing well.
Cecile was supposed to lose her powers after giving birth, but writers clearly forgot that 😂. And instead became stronger 😭
She became walmart scarlet witch
@@XxtoxxityxX more like Nurse Strange. Or Sapphire Witch 💀. Since she can dreamwalk and astral project people out of their bodies 😂
They didn't forget, they just decided to not go with it anymore. In 5x01 Cecile says something like "I may not actually be losing my powers" after she still senses something despite having already given birth
I mean the original director and writer left after season 4 so, we can thank Eric Wallace for leaving her with the power. You see Eric Wallace was litteraly the downfall of the flash
Cecile character was annoying. 1 if the reasons I stopped watching the show
I actually liked HR, and even though he wasn’t as smart as Harry. Still provided one of the biggest contributions
Same
I think he was also there to prove that not every version of Wells was this genius in every universe, since before him we only saw smart Wells, so I feel he's more unique than most of the later Wells.
I LOVED HR
I didn't like him until he *SPOILER*
died, that really hurt me because I didn't see it coming at all.
fr i bawled when he died like he was genuinely a fun character
I never understood eric wallace's obsession with cecile. Her powers make no sense and only do whatever the plot needs. I miss when team flash was just barry, cisco and caitlin.
He probably had a crush on Danielle Nicolet (the actress who plays Cecile)
@@alexwallar8608underrated comment that’s legendary!
@@alexwallar8608more like they had sex -.-
When was team flash ever just those characters?
@@RFJ0KERseason 1+2 for the most part. They of course had some extra pieces to help fill the room, but you could tell the trio was the dominant set of the team.
No matter how bad the show got Grant Gustin will always be our Flash
I do love grant agustin
But fr tho all og characters were great (during the og seasons)
@@rahulbansal2 Oh shit lol I never noticed that. Thx for telling me
I literally grew up with this man
Tom still was the best actor on the show imo. Grant gustin is a good actor, but sometimes his line delivery sounds kinda bored
And John Westley
100% agree about Ralph Dibney. Hartley Sawyer getting fired was so ironic to his chracter arc in the show, but the silver lining is that Eric Wallace never got the chance to ruin the character.
Yeah but I supposed that if he had stayed he would've been better than Cecil, Allegra and Chester as they were the worst supporting cast in the show and Ralph would've been at that point the only remaining member of the original team after Cisco, Caitlin, and others.
"lets make a character thats the low of humanity, a selfish womanzing scumbag, and show he's still worth redemption. Just to fire the actor for making some 2010s shock humor jokes that weren't even that bad". Completely ruined the shows entire message on redemption
@@dragonfire4527 I feel like it'd be hard to ruin Ralph just due to how funny the actor was
@@aetriandimitri190. yeah i see what you’re saying. i do feel like part of the reason he left may be do to the black members if the cast. they may have not felt comfortable working with him, but they never actually came out and said anything so they may have not even cared. i can see why some people would feel a certain way though, no matter how long ago certain “jokes“were made it doesn’t make it any less hurtful. and racism as a joke is such a weird concept, the 2010s were a crazy time.
@@sadebraimah5962 he didn't leave on his own terms he was fired. Plus any black person would see his jokes weren't even racist, him saying as a joke "oh no I was outed as a racist AGAIN", isn't even saying anything racist. Like I saw a shock humor joke of
"I saw a black man driving a vintage car, told my friend I missed when we could buy those, he said he agreed and that old cars looked great, I asked 'the cars?'"
And even that i don't think for a moment the person saying it was racist, it was a joke poking fun at racism if anything. I wouldn't be uncomfortable about someone making shock humor jokes about Mexicans to me when they're clearly just jokes meant for laughs.
Chester and Allegra's relationship is so bizarre and creepy when you realize he admitted that Chester was his self-insert and that Allegra is a character he created.
Especially since the only reason Chester is in the show because Eric Wallace wanted to have Mister Terrific on the show but couldn’t get the actor to do it so he had a parody of him
Wait, so Chester and Allegra relationship is basically fan fic of himself? What a loser lmfao
@@tommydevito4105please dont tell me its true
@@tommydevito4105 not gonna lie ahhah I watched flash before the arrow and I saw mr terrific in one of the crossovers and totally forgot about him and then chester came and I thought it was him after he was done working with arrow xD
@@pokezod7832 it sadly is
Cecile was so awful that she made the fandom stop hating Iris, and start hating her. Do you know how terrible your character has to be to make the fans forget “We are the flash”?
See, for the “We are the Flash” line, Iris was trying to say that Barry isn’t doing it on his own. She’ll be there for him. Instead, it made it seem like she does the same stuff that he does.
@@tombstonerforever9374 you mean like when she tried to be the leader of the flash team despite having two scientists who can figure out how to stop them, three metahumans, and a lead detective. She tends to be incredibly selfish and narcissistic such as getting upset with Barry for sending Nora back despite her working with Thawne. Makes him feel like garbage despite knowing what he’s been through and she hasn’t had nearly any struggles in life. She’s not a good character my dude. You can’t blame fans for hating her. And I used that example because it’s common. People use it out of context but it does sum up how terrible her character is
@@Dearevanhansen223 I agree. But it didn’t stop there. The argument that she had with Barry in season 5 was the worst of Iris. Ironically since Barry was in the wrong in the argument, Iris just went too far in the argument: bringing up his past, saying how things are always his fault and literally telling Barry that she doesn’t care that Nora was working the guy that murdered Barry’s mother.
@@tombstonerforever9374 and when he said “maybe if he had killed your mother you’d understand”. I was like…yeah. She’s always been incredibly selfish. Thea accepted and hugged Oliver when she found out he’d been lying about being a hero and saving lives instead of doing what iris did which was cry, complain, and belittle everyone in her life. She’s been annoying since season one. Her reasons for being an awful character are different each season but she’s never been a good character. Having good elements and aspects doesn’t make it good. Just cause I have the incredible for a pizza doesn’t mean I’m not gonna char the hell out of it
@@Dearevanhansen223 agreed it's like she's forgetting that Thawne killed Eddie (he committed suicide but still he wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for Thawne), and that Thawne would kill Joe, Nora and anyone she cares about if he had the chance but she still makes Barry feel like crap and says; "I don't care if he killed your mom." And I'm like "fuck you Iris you selfish bitch."
Gotta put it out there, John Diggle was an original character back when Arrow started. Originals can be done well.
sort of.they retconned him as the arrowverse version of john stewart. That BLEW MY MIND
Yes, anything can be done well when executed well. Certain things tend to lean more so towards being not executed well.
I mean, Harry Wells is ALSO original and he’s awesome.
@@RaptorRockaAll the Wells were awesome.
@@straightblackgirl only cus Tom is a good actor and clearly has fun playing 50 versions of the same guy. If it wasn’t for his skills and dedication some versions aren’t that amazing
I feel like Julian should have been on this list. I’m interested to see how his one season long appearance would stack up compared to the others
Agreed why wasn’t he in the list?! I really liked him 😢
Never let Eric Wallace touch another show.
Completely agree
The Flash needed to kill off characters. It just got ridduculous how many villains with bodycounts were suddenly sidekicks within a season or two.
In hindsight I am glad Harry was written out of the show after Season 4, they didn't get a chance to ruin him completely.
Him and wally . Mainly because they couldn't use wally after season 3 for like two to three episodes per season .😂
@@buincqv67 imo harry is the best wells. i think he should have also been in the show permently after season 4.
shelouqe was useless, harry should have stayed and raluf should have done the investegation maybe even teaming up with harry to uncover the truth.
nesh wells was so annoying, he was good with his relation to crisis but i think he should have died during it, maybe by sacrfing himslef as sort of "redemation" for starting crisis in the first place and after the world became earth prime harry should have been the wells with jessie now living with him maybe even being the flash for a diferent city
I feel like even if it was weird as it was, Cecile probably wouldn’t be as bad if she lost her powers in season 5.
Hell, I still liked her even by the end of 4…
When Eric Wallace found out that he wasn’t getting 2 seasons for Khione’s storyline, he should’ve just cut the character and just had Caitlin come back with powers
Nah khione was a black goddess, you can tell by the name, but he couldn't get rid of the actress so he killed her characters and essentially made her a black character and he would never get rid of that.
Sound like a conspiracy theory but team flash and the other hero speedsters were 80percent black by the end of the show it just shows the agenda.
The show runner wanted it to be a black show a d djdnt care about backing it up with good writing. ...just pure agenda
@@conordyer2307 bruh what?
@@conordyer2307there was no "black agenda" in the show wtf 😂😂😂
@@conordyer2307Khione is based on Chione the Greek Goddess of snow and ice and daughter of Boreas the personification of the Northern Wind.
There really isn’t a black snow/ice/winter god/goddess in any pantheon with a possible exceptions being Shu the ancient Egyptian God of the cooling wind and Oya the Orisha of Weather of the Yoruba pantheon that influenced the development/creation of the Marvel character Storm.
Ezra Miller who's a criminal was allowed to go on a red carpet for The Flash movie
While Hartley Sawyer who only posted tweets gets kicked off a show 💀💀
Twitter. A cesspool of cancer culture.
Ezra miller has lgtvhd protección it’s incredibly powerful
@@heroburns7684 Not the LGTV lol
Personally I loved HR Wells, to me he felt like a very loveable and charming character and was a unique direction compared to the Wells versions that came before him. I was genuinely very sad when he died. Probably still my favorite Wells, though Harry definitely grew on me. Sherloque was easily my least favorite.
H.R., Henry Allen, and Ralph were some of the best characters on the show.
HR should have been in the top 3
Cecile’s powers worked in season 4 because she had a reason to have them and they mattered to the plot
YES! Killer Frost and Caitlin should have never been two separate characters, and making them all goody goody. No. This isn't a romantic drama.
Iris Wally and Eddie being above Caitlin is actually crazy
I would love to see a list where the characters are only judged by their introductory season and not the downward spiral most of them enter into
Cecil would still be last because her debut season was season 1 and she did absolutely nothing
@@Chubby_Runsshe was in season 1? I only remember her popping up on and off in season 3
@@ninjanibba4259 Yes, episode 21 or 22 called "Rogue Air".
@@ninjanibba4259 I’m rewatching the show cus I heard it ended (I stopped when they brought in blood work I think) and to my surprise yes she is in season 1 for 2 episodes. 1 scene where she says they have no way to contain metas if they exist and another scene in another episode where she tells joe it’s illegal to imprison metas and move them from one illegal site to another.
@@matthewdeltoro8962 right....dang, she's been in the show almost as long as the OGs
i think iris was still pretty interesting in season 3 but that was mainly because she was dealing her possible future death, and because candice patton is just a genuinely good actress
thats what i think too but then S6 made her intresting again only for the first half then not interesting for the rest as eric wallace love making iris disapper each season
Meh, I wanted her to die, I think most of us did
@@ninjanibba4259 honestly the way the season went i think it would’ve been so great if they spent the entire season trying to save her only
for her to die anyway, but after henry died at the end of season 2 i’m glad they didn’t, i think it might’ve felt kinda cheap in the context of the whole show
@@AJ-bg6ko it's just....she's a nothing character, I wanted Barry with someone else too, the dude has chemistry with literally every other female than Iris
@@ninjanibba4259Grant Gustin disagrees 🤷🏻♀️ it's kinda funny that chemistry is code for I hated her for a line so I want her replaced with real nothing characters that are everything people criticize her for.
Eric united the entire fandom in their hatred for one character... we have never been so unified 🥴
"Cecile will forever be my Flash"
~Eric Wallace
i honestly hate the whole on concept of "team flash" bec barry relies on the SO MUCH to point they literally have to tell him what to do all the time n can't think for himself. it's annoying bec in the comics barry is on of the smartest characters in the dc universe so his little sidekicks telling him things that are either common sense or things he can figure out on his own is frustrating
Nothing beats the og team of Barry, Harrison Wells, Cisco and Caitlin. The best characters from f the show ever hands down
I loved Ralph and Sue. They should have become series regulars
same
Sue was annoying
Realistically looking back
I fell in love with Caitlin’s character and I really like the actress. Seeing how S1-2-3 treated her so well kept my hopes up.
I agree that killer frost should never have been seperate from caitlin or changed her origin. The idea of caitlin becoming killer frost due to barry messing with the timeline is more compelling than her being born with it. However, i like the fact that she became a hero, i just hoped she'd be more like an anti hero, and the team constantly has to stop her from killing her enemies.
I think they should’ve learned something from Arrow. Oliver and Slade were best friends on the island but became mortal enemies. And then Slade got redemption. I think Caitlin should’ve been the main villain of season 3. Remember that Killer Frost episode. It was so personal to Barry and it was great. And it would’ve helped the show too by having a great villain who is not a speedster. Because 3 speedster villains in a row was a problem. Then they could’ve had Savitar as the main villain in season 4 and in that there could be a few scenes with Caitlin locked in prison or something throughout that she goes through a season long redemption story and finally rejoins Team Flash at the end of season 4 or beginning of season 5. This idea had so much potential.
I agree with your opinion about Iris. I think most people's hate on her is excessive. Hell, I saw most Chinese audiences who hate her so much that they even start to despise Candice Patton, who plays her, calling her to be the one who single-handedly ruined the show by buying her way into the crew and forcing changes in the writing, but I don't think that's the case. I think Candice is just an actress working with the material she was provided with and she's doing a good job in it.
Candice and Iris is the most overhated character/actor and the reason for such a double standard is definitely biased based.
@@mariha63 I agree. She was never a writer or a producer on this show, yet those haters don't give a shit. For me, it was after the "Crisis On Infinite Earths" crossover that I started to feel a drastic change in the show and not in a good way. And then, a nosedive quality-wise for the show. I think overall, everything Eric Wallace did with season nine of the show is straight up spitting in the face of long-time fans, delivering us what I consider to be one of the worst and most insulting finales ever made. It is unforgivable.
@@tonydaily2593 my main problem is the hypocrisy and double standards when it comics to the fandom that support candice patton. The people that support candice patton/iris have no problem if the show focuses on the love story of barry-iris. But those same twats including black lion hate felicity smoak/emily. And their reason is coz of their blind comic book traditions coz they did not get oliver-laurel. Iris has been a boring character most of the show with little storylines. but she gets support from her "black" community and the comic book fans. Yet felicity after s4 has had great development with good storylines and yet she still gets blind hate. felicity did not give cringe lines like "we are green arrow". unlike iris felicity had separate story arcs when oliver was in jail.
Chillblaine is the definition of a coach’s kid, but change coach with director, he acts like someone they just got off the street with no experience but is constantly being pushed to the top for no reason
Something that added even more to Ralph’s character that I don’t see a lot of people realize is Ralph died in the particle accelerator explosion in the original time line and then was brought back after flash point
man can we all agree that Eric Wallace probably had a crush on dannialle nicolet ( ceciles actor) and Kayla compton ( Allegra)
he was probably so horny for them that he made sure they were in every scene and made sure they had way more screen time than Barry
I kind of liked Harry’s story in season 4 because he is supposed to be the smart one to fix and help Team Flash and with Devoe being one step ahead, I think, it is a great way to show his insecurities as his intellectual is everything and having a sense of control.
looking back, grant kinda carried this show past season 4
I will say that Eric Wallace kinda improved Barry as a character as he’s is way more competent and knows what he’s doing (like his fight with the royal flush gang and his idea to use his gold boots to “ride the lightning”). But then of carouse Barry isn’t the main character so we gotta give more screen time to Cecile.
No....this is the guy that gave Barry speed thinking and made him evil, the guy that doesn't allow Barry to grow and change nor express himself having fun
I agree so much on XS season 5
The fact she’s written like a 13 year old feels odd
Joe West from S1-S3 is the best character in the show. Change my mind.
The problem with the flash is the episode count. Most of the new cast members were only created to fill the runtime so if the seasons where around 16 episodes each there would be less new main characters to introduce. Cecil would have only been important in season 4 coz of the thinker and her powers would vanish after giving birth. Other characters' storylines would have been simplified like Caitlin
This is not true anymore.
Season 9 had 13 episodes and you could argue a majority of it was filler and none of the main arcs were fleshed out.
Looking for a non cw example? Mandalorian season 3. 8 episodes, and i would say 5-6 were filler.
This proves the filler episodes will ALWAYS happen regardless.
@@samuelketner1391 I didn't mean filler episodes. What I meant was, if a season long story can be told in 16 episodes but the season has 23 episodes, a new character is created to create a new arc to reach the target 23. This new character then becomes a waste of time and a problem later on. Eg, Caitlin needed something to do so Killer Frost became a separate character, because KF stayed, chill bane and Khione were created and now all three suck. Domino effect. Season 9 is just the by product of previous seasons having too many episodes.
facts and cecile was fine til S7 and all the new team flash characters couldve been good if they just stick with what they had in the beginning when we met them, Allegra was fine in S6 and they couldve expanded more and just stuck her with Iris for the CC Citizen all the time unless her story interwined with Team Flash, Chester just make him a recurring character and less like cisco
Stuff like this is why Legends and Superman & Lois for the most part are better for runtime episodes, they don't waste time and they balance fillers and storytelling pushing each other along
Caitlin got the worst fall from grace, especially as a fan of hers
She started out so strong, seeing her only appear for 2 minutes in a single episode to play doctor and the rest is dedicated to cecile and chester and allegra all getting 10 minutes each while
4 minutes of Barry being a speedster that can’t dodge a normal weapon and 3,5 minutes on Iris of either being a competent reporter or a total marry sue and
Cisco got 3 minutes being funny
GRANT GUSTIN WILL Always Be Our Flash
My problem with Cecile is that she never took over for Joe as this rock the team really needed. I thought they were going to position her as this new Joe, where the sweet heartfelt moments would come from. Boy was I fucking wrong
Khione is a villain for selfishly stealing Caitlin's body.
In my opinion Cecile getting powers wasn’t a bad thing. I actually really liked them at first, and I really think they could’ve been used to tell a good and compelling story over time, but the writers became so dependent on them in every scene she was in which led to her downfall.
Also, one of the biggest problems w the flash is that so many characters never have anything to do for the entire season and no one ever really gets killed off after S3 so they all just stock up. The flash should’ve stuck with the system of killing off a main character each season. And they also needed to stop introducing all those damn Wells’. I got so tired of them after S3.
thats what i believe and i realized in S7 her charcater became so bad that she was just used to baby us about emotions and imo cecile was a good character and had a good amount of screen time til S7 and they shouldve not made her a series regular but instead a recurring character
Poor thawne being an awesome villain throughout the entire series just to have him defeated by being tased by Allegra
Lol
Yeah you’re right, people are overhating Iris.
There’s such a good foundation for Barry to have this adopted dad who really cares about him, but also firmly believes that Barry’s dad killed his mom and maybe even was the arresting officer, and thinks Barry’s insistence that his father is innocent is just a trauma response. Joe petered out on this show, but his character could definitely recur in future adaptations.
Question why is Julian, Ronnie, and Jessie Quick not on the list.
Or Jay because he kinda was a main character before he was revealed to be Zoom
one thing i’ll never forgive the flash as a whole is that they screwed up wally. he finally became kid flash just for him to leave at the beginning of next season. he became kid flash from episode 10 all the way till ep 15 where they tried killing him off. then his character was so terrible from there forward, he never really felt like kid flash. also same on the jesse quick relationship thing, because it was so pointless since she didn’t even come back.
I loved all the wells personally, HR was funny and his death was heartbreaking, Harry was grim but his relationship with cisco was the best part, and Nash and Sherloque were decent too.
To be honest, I hated Iris since the beginning, and it peaked in season 4... however, as the seasons went by, she became more and more tolerable because the newer side characters went so bad, I wanna puke-
Sorry if that seemed rude, but every single movie or show is going downhill nowadays with the exception of a few
For some reason, I used to think that Hartley Sawyer was portraying Plastic Man instead of Elongated Man. I just recently learned my mistake
I will never forgive them for getting rid of Ralph
Great video as always (especially about Cecile and Chill Blain)
I'd love a Jay Garrick movie starring Teddy Sears. He played the character so well. Obviously he wasn't the real deal, but still. A movie set in the ancient years of the 1940's with the original Flash, yes. Please.
I do love that idea
Finally, someone who agrees Teddy Sears would be a good Jay Garrick
In hindsight Wally and Barry have a very similar relationship to Miles and Peter in the Insomniac Games, being introduced powerless and as a supporting character who’s written well and becomes a hero
Miles not Mike
@@JonathanBrown623 typo
Nora is 28yrs old. As she tells barry and iris in season six. That she's twenty eight years old but she's an annoying character. I disagree on the part with hr wells. They had interesting Concept with him as a man trying to find his place in the world and some kind of redemption. The problem is they don't really tell us what he's trying to get redeemed from. And in some weird way he became sort of the morality of the group.
They dead shoulda gotten a younger actress for XS, she's too old
Nora is the worst character
Season 1-4: the leather suit seasons and considered the peak of the show
Seasons 5-7: the awkward seasons and my personal least favorites
Seasons 8-9: the characters are still butchered but at least it has the most comic accurate flash suit and the villians i was asking for since S3
Def the three distinct eras of the show but here are mine
Seasons 1-3: Peak Flash seasons, good suits, great villains, the real ending of the show in s3
Season 4: Best suit and barely missed the peak seasons
Seasons 5-7: Awful suits, terrible character plot lines, and bad villains
Seasons 8-9: better than the previous three seasons and close to the level of what s4 was, great suit, but awful side characters, good villains, but bad stories
I miss when it was just Barry, Cisco, and Caitlin
Tbh I didnt like Chester at first but now I get why he is here. He is Cisco's replacement so I understand. What I dont understand is how Joe's girlfriend had more screen time than him!!!
14:13, That Vasectomy line seriously got me. Very Accurate ranking, though I have always thought that after 2017 (Season 3 of Flash and Season 5 of Arrow) the Arrowverse decided Let's pay our writer's less until after Season 6 of Flash/Arrow Season 8 and then decided "What if we wrote a dumpster fire?"
Wells sacrificing himself for the speed force an barry destroying it in the next episode never gets talked about, so dumb
So HR, the one who basically helps Wally become Kid Flash, and sacrifices his life to save Iris, did nothing? That’s a bit of a stretch.
I would say Harry should be higher. Nora should be lower. HR should be higher. (He was better than sherloque imo)
Wally is too high imo.
Overall very solid list.
Love the respect for ralph!
I wouldn’t say Iris’s feelings for Barry are sudden in the s2 finale. Even as far back as s1, we see that she has feelings for him, like when she sabotages his date with Linda. She just never said anything to Barry
idk I still find that a reach. There are a ton of female friends who dont want you but get jealous when you start dating other women. I encountered alot of them and seen others did too. Im not saying its every man-woman relationship but it is common. There was also a scene in season 1 when Barry tried to kiss her and she was grossed out and got pissed.
@@kevintyson1947 well yeah, because those feelings weren’t something Iris had consciously acknowledged when Barry tried to do that. She did initiate the kiss with Barry in 1x15 (it got erased, but it did still happen), so there was definitely something there early on
Also…no, that’s not normal. Your friends, no matter their gender, should be happy for you when you date other people, not jealous (concerned if they pick up bad vibes from the person you’re with, but that’s not jealousy). Being jealous is not normal friend behavior
She said in 1x21 too that she has been thinking about him but needs to respect her commitment.
Who's worse? _Cecile, Khione,_ or _Chillblaine/Mark?_
I'm still going with friggin' _Cecile_ haha
Bro, dont do my boy hr like that, he brought good humor proving that not every wells was dead serious like harry he was special in his own way i personnaly liked his caracter
My Rankings on the Flash Main Cast from Worst to Best:
19.Cecile Horton/Virtue:Easy the Worst Character in the Flash that got Worse each Season and made Eric Wallace In Love with the Actress in a Unhealthy Simp Level.
18.Khione:the Worst New Addition to the Series when it was Going to End which Bastardized Sky High and the Caitlin Character while Solving Every Problem than the Main Character,like Cecile She’s literally Plot Armor on Drugs.
17.Chillblame:I Describe Him as the Anti Ralph that Eric Wallace tried to duplicate but like him Redeeming Villains it got Worse and is no Coincidence that he Debuted on Season 7 when they Fired Hartley Sawyer.
16.Allegra Garcia:No Disrespect to the Actress but the Only Reason Why this Character Was in the series is because Eric wanted to leave a Permanent Mark to the Only Character He’s Involved in the Comics but in the End She’s as Useless as Kamila,Ultraviolet is way Better.
15.Chester P. Runk:an interesting Character and the least Hated of Eric’s but him being a Cisco Clone,his Echoing Sounds,and wasting his Black Hole Powers made him Weak and Pointless.
14.Nora West-Allen/XS:I Never had a Huge Hatred on a Character in this Series other than the Ones that Eric Wallace brought than Nora,the Entice of Retconning the Tornado Twins,is so Immature when she’s a Freaking Adult,and one Exist as a Wally Replacement on Season 4.
13.HR Wells:the Worst and most Annoying one of All the Wells.
12.Nash Wells:Interesting but after the Crisis the Character became so Unlikable.
11.Caitlin Snow: I Know she’s one of the OG’s but she was Wasted on making her a Villain or at least giving her a Happy Ending with Ronnie and Leaving the Show that to be the most Tortured Character in the Flash.
10.Killer Frost:I Actually like the Idea on this Character and I wish that She Survived and Caitlin didn’t to grow the Character,bring a Emotional Impact,and leave the Series than doing the Opposite while creating Khione.
9.Iris West:I Don’t hate the Character except Seasons 4 and 5 but she was so misused and could have been a Independent Character than making Barry making Questionable Choices.
8.Sherluke…. I mean Sherloque Wells:a Really Underrated Character that was Done Dirty by the Team and wasted Ralph Potential as a Detective.
7.Eddie Thawne:a Really Solid and Underrated Character that’s a Nice Guy you Can’t Hate but the Finale made it Difficult.
6.Wally West/Kid Flash: A Character with Tons of Potential but they wasted the Idea of making his Savitar and Him Leaving the Series on Season 4 was a Mistake and a Huge Middle Finger.
5.Joe West: a Great Father and Mentor Figure that being Heart and Emotional Moments,I Wish I Wish Season 7 and 8 and Cecile didn’t butchered his Character.
4.Harry Wells:Hands Down the Best of all of the Wells and the True One than whatever Timeless Wells was.
3.Cisco Ramon/Vibe:A Great Fun Character that’s the Fan in All of Us can Relate,I do wish he was with Liza Snart and kept his Vibe Power that the Direction it got.
2.Ralph Dibny/Elongated Man:the Best Supporting Cast than Everyone in my Opinion,has the Best Redemption Arc,is Funny,and has amazing Power,I Wish they didn’t fired the Actor all because of a 10 Year Old Tweet.
1.Barry Allen/the Flash:Easily Number 1,While not the Definitive Flash in my Opinion as not Live Action Version is Accurate unlike the Animated Movies,Grant Gustin is a Fantastic Actor that Brought a Emotional Inpact and changed the Character Forever,Yes he acts Dumb,not Overpowered,and acts on his Emotions,The Main Character Wins this Spot.
For number 1 you mean repeats the same mistakes over and over again and almost never learns right.
You really did HR like that
I disagree with some of the ratings here. I thought Chester was okay, I met guys like him in real life and he at least has a backstory episode which is also a time travel episode, I liked it. Doesn't hold a candle to Cisco but he was fine. Khione was kind of interesting, at least she felt like a fresh, unusual character. Not something I've seen before.
Allegra and Cecile are by far the worst. Allegra literally has no character. She doesn't feel like a real person at all. And Cecile is just irritating - what's what invasion of privacy all the time? If she did that to me I'd be like "hey stay away from me, my emotions are private". Usually in movies villains do that, but in here she's supposed to be a hero for invading everyone's privacy without permission?
She could be perfect as a psychiatrist, instead, she invades privacy of the main characters.
I think H.R Wells is the best of the Harrison Wells.
Cisco/Vibe is my favorite character and is a shame that thw showrunners remove him from the show and difn't let him comeback in the finale.
Elongated Ma is another character that i love. If wasn't for the stupidity of the CW to fured him i would like to see an Elongated Man tv series about metahuman investigations.
fr cisco was an amazing actor
Ralph being number 3 shows just how bad of an idea it was to fire him. Especially when the entire point of his character was redeeming a terrible person, and yet they fire him for shock humor jokes a decade prior when he had already redeemed himself to be amazing, the jokes weren't even bad for their time as it was just the typical "dishwasher didn't work so I beat her" tier humor that was common and wasn't even as bad as those. It especially sucks since it completely ended his career, he hasn't made any appearance or had roles since, which sucks because he was such a good actor
So sad that Jessie quick and Jay garrick wasn't on this list
My bro hates Cecil a lot😂
I wish we got to see S3 Ending Catlin, who said that she isn't Killer Frost or Catlin, what could have been interesting but they retconed it in the next season.
It's a shame I always wanted to see Frost (Meta Catlin) and what she would do with her new powers and life and not the return of Killerfrost, really missed oportunity.
Remember back in the day when Iris was the worst main character?
Also season 2 is the best season.
So in reality those who hate iris are racist
You skipped Julian Albert. He was a main character too
So was Patty, Jesse Wells, Sue Dearbon, Kamilla Hwang, & Gypsy
@@RyguyTheGreat22 Jesse and Gypsy were never main characters
The only reason I like Allegra, Cecile, and Chester is because they’re so awful that they took off all the pressure of being the worst character ever off of Candice Patton. In season 3 and 4 she was the worst and in season 5 she was second worst right behind Nora.
Wasn’t Julian a main character in season 3? Either way I would put him at #9 cause he was interesting and redeemed in a good way. But felt kinda useless as season 3 went on
I'm so dissappointed that Caitlin didn't become something more like a recurring villian for The Flash. Having a character start on the good guys' team then awaken to her powers that drive her against them for the rest of the show would've been so awesome. They could have even done something similar to what they did w/ Capt. Cold where her powers slow down Barry when he's nearby to possibly elevate her to main villian status.
I think Frost being a split personality could have worked if they didn’t make her a hero. Like make Caitlin struggle with Killer Frost taking over and acting like a villain a few times, then they can split the two like they did in season 7 and bring Killer Frost back as a recurring villain and maybe even a main villain.
I would love to see an updated vídeo of all the heroes that have appeared in the arrowverse now that has ended
Besides eric wallace how many allegra and cecil fans are there actually?
Also I agree that it is ironic that Ralphs introduction is a redemption arc, but then the show can't look past his old tweets.
Last thought Barry and Iris both might have been better characters if in the end there weren't half dozen characters calling them "Mom and Dad"
Especially when those tweets weren't even bad, just shock humor that were obviously meant to be jokes. And in interviews and everything could clearly see he's not like that. It'd be fine if it didn't mean his career was over, 0 new roles or public appearances, we lost an amazing actor that could've become someone great over fking shock humor jokes
Now I'm interested how the side characters fall on the rank like snart jay Julian Jessie patty Bart Henry etc.
I think i slowly came to a stop with this show around when the Thinker came around. Pretty sure thats when team flash started, and it got more cheesy and phoney from there on, and it ended that way to.
I loved the show early on and enjoyed Tom Cavanah's performance all throughout, since i would watch clips of his characters after i stopped.
For me i slowly started to hate the show in S8 as I just wanted it to be good
During season 4 Wally was part of the legends of tomorrow in legends season 3
Cecile might be the worst character in the flash but she is a BADDIE
Cecile was I'm gonna say fine and good till S4 ending... after that she should have continued her role as DA and help flash regarding those affairs rather than being a main character in the later seasons of 8 and 9
I’m barely starting Season 8 and I keep hearing that Cecile gets more screen time which is fine by me cause I think She’s Super Hot 😂
Something I loved about Harry was how smart he really was. Eobard is a genius in his century and he needed to steal a tachyon device. Harry not only duplicated the device but he made it so small, it hides behind the flash emblem "because it sucks".
23. Cicile
22. Allegra
21. khione
20. Chillblain
19. Speedforce
18. Chester
17. Frost
16. Timeless wells
15. Nora s5
14. Hr
13. Eddie
12. Sherloqe
11. Nash
10. Jay gerrik ( John wessly shipp)
9. Carlin
8. Iris
7. Wally
6. Thawn
5. Harry
4. Joe
3. Cisco
2. Ralph
1. Barry
If Eddie is number 13 then who is Thawne from number 6?
And yet H.R. Wells had the saddest death
While I agree with most of this list, I will have to disagree with you on H.R. I was always a sucker for a Wells that was a pure emotional core and I look back on him fondly. This is your list though, I'll give you that
I love this ranking except for one placement. HR Wells, was great and I'm tired of pretending he wasn't.
All Main Characters of The Flash Ranked
1. Flash
2. Reverse-Flash
3. Cisco Ramon/Vibe/Mecha-Vibe
4. Elongated Man
5. Caitlin Snow
6. Kid Flash
7. Joe West
8. Harry Wells
9. Iris West-Allen
10. Monitor
11. Thinker
12. Savitar
13. Eddie Thawne/Malcolm Gilmore/Cobalt Blue
14. Sherloque Wells
15. Timeless Wells
16. XS
17. H.R. Wells
18. Nash Wells/Pariah
19. Killer Frost/Frost
20. Mirror Iris
21. Mirror Monarch
22. Orlin Dwyer/Cicada
23. Khione
24. Allegra Garcia
25. Chester P. Runk
26. Cecile Horton/Virtue
27. Chillblaine
If you are adding villains then where is Zoom?
@@junior523 Teddy Sears wasn’t credited as a series regular. If he were, Zoom would definitely be in the Top 3
Bro put HR above iris💀 who let this man cook, he definitely burned the whole kitchen
Kid Flash should of been a series all the way to the end of the series, the same with Elongated Man
Wally shoulda been Flashfor half of season 4, Barry immediately getting revived in season 4 episode 1 ruined his sacrifice
Barry went from main character to sidekick
I don’t think you’re in the minority when it comes to not hating Iris. If anything, the real minority is the vocal minority who hated her for her characterisation in Seasons 4 and 5 and never let go of it or remembered her from the earlier seasons
To this day, i still ask why Cecile, Chill lame, Allegra and Chester were upgraded to regulars. They worked better in small doses and didn't feel so superfluous. Although Chester's meta status bothered me because the show seemed to forget he was a metahuman until the last minute.
Sue Dearbon or Impulse would have been better choices as regulars. Or transplanting other Arrowverse characters like Lyla, Dreamer, Diggle, Ray Pamler, Ryan Choi,
I still feel that Hartley Sawyer deserved a second chance. Yes, the tweets were nasty, but does it reflect who he is now? His character got redemption, let's see it happen in real life. If anything, it would've been great publicity to show that remorse and forgiveness can trump cancel culture. Let's hope he's doing well.