Most if not all. Of these attributes. Apply to me. But I don't consider myself to be a Sigma male. I consider myself To be A. Somewhat rational, reasonable, sensible human being. Maybe a little crazy, too. But not in a bad way. I don't mean anyone Any harm I don't feel comfortable being labeled. Categorized Fitting a certain profile. From a psychological point of view. This way of thinking. Will ultimately lead to. Tribalism Group on group biases. Prejudice Segregation separation There are only 2 kinds of people in the world. Good people And bad people. We are all individuals with our own life experiences. We don't all think the same believe the Same things Biology isn't perfect either. Some people are born with defective minds. I feel fortunate. Grateful To have been born. With a somewhat sound mind. Although I have to admit. Being raised in the American culture. Has had some negative effects on my mental health. Overt narcissism And covert narcissism. Describes the majority of personality types in my opinion. So if you want to further. Divide Polarize Society even more than what it is today. Keep making these videos good job.
Agreed. I've never heard of the Sigma personality type till like a few months ago yet like 90% of these traits I see in myself and have always been like that my whole life. I believe you have to naturally be an introvert first and life experiences mild you into the proverbial Sigma personality or dominant introvert.
@@DEEZEEMTB: I never heard of Sigma males until about January of 2022, and right here on TH-cam. I had NO IDEA I was one - certainly when watching many videos and researching/reading many articles, I round out at anywhere from 90%-to-95%. That's just me. I've always dealt with it just fine (me, anyway), yet all of my life I just wished I was FAR MORE outgoing. But... we can't have everything, can we? Be you.
Hmmm, I spent 55 years knowing I was different but not knowing why I've always walked my own path. Family and ppl don't get me either. Thanks for your vids!
I mirror you, my friend. I am 47 and live alone with my Dog, he seems to know me better than any Human, family included. When you are different, it can be off-putting to others, yet we are encouraged to be "Ourselves", so long as we conform and fit in with the rest.
@twothousandwordpictures9612 You're comment doesnt even make sense given you violated the last rule with your comment. Maybe its actually you who doesn't fit friend.
True sigmas don't ever type on the comments saying stuff like "as a sigma myself" or "I am a sigma"... they just watch the video, give a light chuckle and smirk and move on with their day...
Very good points. When you are completely alone and you think back on your goals, your day, or your life. The main question is "Have I been true to myself, my path, and my goals?"
I used to be the odd one out and it seemed to me that everyone hated me and avoided me. It turned out I was in the middle of narcists and sheep and I was neither of those. So I always stayed true to myself and choose my own path in life because It would be so insanely boring otherwise.
Amen especially the last point!! As a sigma type male I exhibit an ambivert personality not a simple introvert!! Absolutely love alone time…reading, researching chosen ideas and thinking logically.. in a gathering I can participate with gusto..watching for reactions both verbal and nonverbal
@@gordonlawson2334your literally in a thread where you said “as a sigma male” in a video about how to tell someone isn’t a sigma male and the first thing is if you go around announcing you’re “built different “ you’re not a sigma. But please, go on.
There’s all levels of sigma some may gravitate more towards alpha and some a little beta. But one thing in common has to be doing your “own thing” and not caring about others opinion and validation or seeking approval ! Just living your life basically free 😊
This is very true. Sigma is the only one I know of that have different variations but still the same person deep down. Like you said, one may gravitate more towards the alpha trait while others may share a little more beta than most but no sigma gravitates more towards beta, it's just not in a sigma's nature to do that. How I look at it is, or at least from my perspective and experience, sigma's were once alpha's but got tired of the "hey everybody look at me" being the center of attention crap and decided to stop being around fake people and protect your own inner peace. However, a sigma male could never once be a beta that somehow gained alpha characteristics or you never were a beta to begin with because it's not in their nature either. I don't like being submissive on pretty much anything except maybe bedroom activities I'd like it every now and then if my woman would take the lead or show me her aggressive side because it's a turn on.
1 You feel the need to tell everyone that you are different 2 You gate keep your hobbies or interests 3 You constantly complain about anything and everything 4 You only mirror other people's thoughts 5 You are afraid of taking risks 6 You care to much about what others think of you 7 You think every point in this video must apply to you in order to be a Sigma Male
Thank you made a 8:30 pointless video a 15 second read. You've saved the time of others. Unfortunately it took me 1 minutes to go through this videos point since I didn't scroll down to the comments after just reading the point in the video myself
Simply put for me when I was very young was when both of my parents told me, at separate times of course, that, *"You have 3 brothers and 4 sisters, and look at you - you're growing up like an only child."* The story gets a bit longer and complicated after that. I was their "lone wolf" son.
Good analysis. For me, almost all of these points that I am not, confirms that I am Sigma. As always, I keep watching & reaffirming what I am and who I am
Exactly. It's fun, nice, better whatever. But as a waiter I even recommend the things I like to the costumer if asked in any way. Even my small talk consists only of the things I like or I just bullshit my way through and try to end the conversation xd
That is because knowledge is power. Knowledge is meant to be shared with all, so others may benefit, be a better person and make the lives of those around them better too, which results in this being passed on, and forward. We don't break the chain of love and knowledge. We do this not for reward, but because it is the right thing to do. The best reward is seeing the seeds we plant in others come to fruition.
While I am not Keanu Reeves, nor Daniel Craig, I have 55 years to look back over and can see the signs as they rose for me. I watch from the sidelines, and collect information. I identify with many of the qualities and this video just polishes the rough edges. Always a good reminder that we put our pants on the same way every day, and we are no better than anyone else. And I treat others as I would like to be treated. But I stand alone in my corner relishing my individuality and solitude. I learned the lesson about approval long ago and I got a good dose of humility training as well, when I was much younger. All in All, it all makes sense to me now. Thanks for the video. Happy Christmas to all.
Number seven sealed it more for me. Number 5 Afraid of taking risks. I don't take any undue risks for the sake of knowing I can get out clean. If I think it's too risky, I steer clear of it. So at number 5, I was thinking, "Screw this video. I'm not Superman, and I know I'm not." Then comes number seven....
Anyone actively trying to be sigma, can never be sigma. A true sigma doesn't even know there's a label for the type of man he is. I found this video in my feed and found out i am definitely a SIGMA. Sigmas could play the alpha role but would ultimately fail because leadership is case by case. A sigma will lead if necessary, but is uncomfortable being recognized, lauded or adored by strangers.
You described me too. These videos have been so fascinating to me as I only understood my true nature only later in life. Til now I don't give a shit about labels, impressions, what people think, or trying to follow societal norms. I'm glad to know now why I've actually struggled with how different I am from everyone.
Right on! When it comes to gate-keeping hobbies and interests: Someone asking about hobbies and interests is really one of the few ways that somebody can get a Sigma to become animated for a period of time.
I have talked with other people for hours about our hobbies and interests, many were considered strange by others and rarely talked to anyone, now I understand why.
The statement made was truly insightful and important. Just like Autism, Sigma has become something that many people can identify with. Personally, I believe that labels don't define us. We should prioritise recognising ourselves as individuals first, rather than getting caught up in categorisations.
A small percentage of people within this thread get it and understand what's really going welcome aboard the non self made labeled express train folks and enjoy the ride to a greater yet more rewarding and elevational destination!
SPOT ON. Although pretty much 99% of what they sigma men are, I am - I am still only me - If society wants to label me as a sigma, then fine - but all I know to be, is to be me, and I do not require anyone to label it or validate who/what I am.
It took me fifty plus years to discover this. I've always been the one going against the current, reflecting on myself, my actions and my opinions. Always curious, always trying to be better than yesterday. I don't take unnecessary risks but rather taking calculated risks. I may be a sigma empath, but will probably never be sure about it. Do I really care? No. I am who I am and that's enough for me.
I disagreed with you Sir (once). Said: No. What a nonsense. When you mentioned #7 I laughed. And agreed. Refreshing to hear from someone that isn't that superficial to generalize everything. Excellent! Please continue on and be blessed Sir!
Lol same. When the point of being at the edge of the cliff came up in particular for me. Thought to myself, "well I'd consider that reckless". I'm fine with Getting out of my comfort zone every once and a while which was his general point in that example but i also know what i like and stick to it. Anyway i also laughed when he said number 7 lol
My point of view on the points of the video. 1) Yeah I never felt the need to say I'm different. The only thing I've always asked is why i'm different to the vast mayority. 2) I don't gatekeep my hobbies, however if someone ask me about them I can endalge in conversation 3) I express my grievances in order to not allow them to continue and find a solution to the situation. 4) See point 1, enough said. 5) Taking risk depends on the situation. You must always calculate it. If it can ruin the whole or deal wait for the opportunity to arrise. But you cant wait forever. In order words act with wisdom, but act. 6) if you like me ok, if you dont ok too 7) All human beings can and mostlikely will exhibit the traits of the other archetypes maybe can be equally between only 2
Thanks again for this. I know I am a sigma male. Recently discovered and I have no doubts. It’s like being given a shoe by a random stranger, and after putting it on, feeling like it was meant to be your’s.
Your last point remains true. This is why I don't pigeonhole myself saying I'm a Sigma. I do have mostly Sigma traits, granted, but I do have some from some of the other Greek letters.
I never paid that much attention to different personality traits before. But i knew I wasn't an alfa nor do i want to be that way and i didn't think i was a beta either because i dont like being bossed around in any way. I am normally pretty quick at putting someone respectively in their place if they do. But i always felt labels dont really matter anyway. I am what I am. Recently, I stumbled upon some Sigma videos. I never even knew Sigmas existed. Now have been watching a bunch of them. They have blown my mind. Each video i have watched I have 7-8 traits of the 10-12 traits discussed. It is great. I feel like i am learning about myself and why i sometimes make decisions and have some idiosyncrasies that make some people including my wife that think i am weird.
If you are not a sigma male but you want to be one, forget it. You are either born that way or you're not. You can't become one, like putting on a Halloween costume.
@@spaceted3977 this makes perfect sense. People who are not sigmas can't conceive of why we are the way we are. When I was a little kid in elementary school, my 4th grade teacher made me stay after everyone else left one day, so he could run his mouth at me. He said: you know what happens to people like you? I say: what kind of people am I? And he says: you're a misfit, a nonconformist. I say ok, so what happens and he says I predict, young man, that if you don't toe the line and straighten up and fly right, that you'll end up serving a long sentence in prison...he was right of course, but instead of being locked up I am in self imposed exile. Nevertheless, what a horrible thing to say to a 9 year old child...this is the kind of people we grow up in the midst of.
@@spaceted3977 also your mother probably loves you and it must have disturbed her to see how obviously different you were from the masses and she may have felt bad because she was able to foresee the difficulties this would create for you in your life...
@@dingusdingus2152 My Mother was terrified because I wasn't cunning like her and my father. But I can fix anything that breaks down, I can cook anything I want and I can look after myself and my 2 dogs perfectly well !!! I have had a much happier life than my parents, and if my Mother ever loved me, she certainly never showed it !!!!!
@@dingusdingus2152 School was never about learning anything useful. It was about conditioning you to go and eat your dinner when a bell rang, and to ask to go to the toilet. If you ask any questions you are an outcast. Well they can all F*ck Off !!! They're not controlling my thoughts !!!!
Other people tell me I'm different. There's no hidden hobbies for me. When I complain it's just my way of detailing what I'm fixing. I go my own way. Don't tell me I can't do something I'll show you I can. I don't care what others think about me. I am my own man. I don't care if I'm a Sigma or not. I don't need assurance of anything.
Yes, Brother! Totally agree with you, I don't care what people think of me, it is how I judge myself that matters. So long as I follow my own path, I am my own Man.
I have been told I am alpha but believe sigma fits more. Only because all my life I never cared about having friends, social norms, rules or just the opinions of others. Besides my family. I have always done things my own way and it’s worked out no matter what people say. Also I have been told I sit in the back of the classroom and observe. I had a therapist talk about that to a group of people I was in group with. She pointed it out how I always sit in the back and watch. Also I only talk to few people who share my interest. Never new sigma until the last year .
I am pleased to see a "what it is not" video - thanks! You asked for thoughts... I am new to this term: Sigma. I have thought about it a lot recently. I saw a few videos on common characteristics... They seem to apply to me, so I assume they are designed to be the sort of thing everybody would feel positive about... Maybe they seem to apply to me because they seem to apply to everybody. I am not so sure I agree it is "real" or even something we can self-diagnose, but it certainly describes my ideals for myself. I was encouraged to hear you describe it as something that can be learned. Sigma seems to be strongly related to Stoicism. I think discipline changes our neural wiring over time - we can probably become the kind of person we seek to become. And... you helped confirm my biases.
One thing that tips off I may be one is I have a very small facebook friends list. Probably less than 30. I have no desire to have a lot of friends. I know the people I facebook with, and I don't take FB's suggestions to befriend anyone, and I have even deleted some previous friends, because I think they see me incorrectly. Not trying to be rude, but eliminate the misjudgment.
There's one other thing that you forgot to mention in this video. A true sigma doesnt go around telling others that they are a sigma, they let their actions and confidence demonstrate that without saying anything.
@@Digitalsapien yes and no. At a job you have to demonstrate that your capable of doing it and do it correctly doesn't matter if it's a sigma, alpha, beta or who ever. Overall though I'd agree, however, there's always something that sigma's prove themselves to. Like a task that they are tackling, think logically, also they prove to themselves that they can and will achieve it.
@@darkchthonian856 Fair enough - I meant doesn't need to demonstrate to others anything for self-validation, but with your point about pragmatic demonstrations I would agree. When there is a clear purpose to the demonstration, then yes, sigma would do so gladly.
I think serious songwriters are usually sigma males …. Gordon Lightfoot comes to my mind. I can tell he was totally immersed in his musical writing projects yet his greatest joy was performing his music live. He was married several times…the women were always fascinated by his mystery musical genius I suppose. So a sigma tends to enjoy closing themselves in a room and working out a musical composition while sipping a beer..and taking it on stage to experience a great rush of dopamine…they get joy in their art being admired…but it’s not an arrogance of self praise..because they seriously care about their audience’s enjoyment or acceptance of the songs. I identify with these types of men. th-cam.com/video/owzqSM0Hz9w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4alK_Tfv1WWzD07q
I have no idea about who you are, or where you found all this information... But all of your points hit the nail on the head... I used to think that I myself were a Alpha male, until I stumbled into your site... Thank you for allowing me to discover why I feel the way that I do about how this society is churning around me...😊😊😊
as long as you work with all those alpha traits, you're on your way to be a high level alpha. you just can't fake being an alpha. can't fake leadership traits, can't fake assertiveness if you don't have past accomplishments. confidence of the alpha is base on his accomplishments and achievements, how he fails and raise and fail again. understanding alpha traits is only gonna get us better. enough of this none sense sigma b.s. most of them that claims they're sigma are just socially awkward people that don't take risk, and claim they're indeferent but infact they just don't stand out
I especially agree with #7. The areas that don't fit me are because I decided to change me. I was painfully shy, reclusive, introverted, and frowned all the time until I was 13. This was pointed out to me and after reflection I decided to change. If I told you now how I was before 13, you would doubt me.
Well at it's core, sigma males are introverted men of few words. Not speaking just to fill the uncomfortable silence and only choosing to speak when they have something worth while to say. Stoicism is one of their defining characteristics
I could be sigma. But i have no drive to achieve some great thing. I am a lone wolf who goes it alone. Always have. Even had the discussion with my father a few times. Until he finally saw exactly why i do what I do. People get in the way. I move quick, fast and in a hurry. My mind already knows what to do, all that is needed is to get it done. Now get outta the way, shit is about to go down.
1-I don't really tell anyone im different unless they ask 2-I don't force gatekeeping but I do feel the need to address the things that need addressing 3-I tend to not complain about everything just whats in the way of me moving forward 4-I don't take unnecessary risks neither do I believe any person should just take any risks without thinking 5-zero care about what others think of me whether it's negative or positive 6-good thing not everything in this video describes me
I am 61 and didn't even know what a Sigma Male was until today. I came across a few TH-cam vids, and I'll be damned. I am 100% Sigma. There is one characteristic in this particular post that I will admit does not align with me: I really like approval of others; however, I make ZERO decisions to get it. GREAT POST!
The last Point is the best. In the individual Journey in Life of a Sigma there can be special reasons and preferences why they intentionally not fits in all typical Sigma Signs in this Video. Or Life can even him weakened temporary in some areas until he come back in Form like a Tiger or Lion or Wolve or Eagle he also can be broken or traumatized but not forever.
I am not a Sigma. I am me. I will continue to be me until i die. I don't need the world to label me. I don't need any of you. I can do this by myself. I don't need anyone to figure it out for me. I've done it this far and i will continue to do so.
It's very interesting, after reading comments in previous posts I'd watched on this topic from this channel recently , with all the men chiming in saying 'this is me'! in one word or another, I felt that was a very non Sigma thing to do , this post kind of proves that .
One of the things people misunderstand about describing human archetypes is that they're a guide to understanding that type of person and not a set of rules that need to be adhered to. Many of us appear to be Sigmas and have a good many of the Sigma attributes yet don't fully fit into the definition of a Sigma, it could very well be that few truly do. Remember, in the worlds holy books archetypes where portrayed as Gods or close to God since no one person could perfectly emulate that archetype.
I think you should add this. If you don't mind waiting around for a group to get their act together, e.g., waiting for them to "get ready" to go hiking, on a drive, a picnic, dinner, etc., then you probably aren't a Sigma. One thing I can not stand is when making plans with a group, it takes forever for them to get ready to go. You end up waiting until it's really too late to go. I hate wasting time waiting for people to get their act together. It's why I usually go alone.
Always been a lone wolf that didn't give a flying 🤬 about what other people though about me or my idears. In my older years I'm more quiet. I made a mental smoke screen of quick replies to people who tries to get info about me. In my experience, people often use the info for gossiping rather than exchange of ideas. So whats the point of being honest to strangers? One of my quick replies goes like this: A woman ask me, " What do you do for work? ", And I reply " Would you like to see a bank statement? She may say no, why do you ask me that? "Its more easy to see how mutch I make that way". I just know that most women dosent really care about what men do for work. They just want to see what you are making. The bonus of that remark is that you get to see how she reacts under pressure. Some woman use masculine energy during disagreements. And I dont like those women😂
These videos are giving me goosebumps , i just discovered these personalities yesterday, I have watched all of your videos and from many other channels and every thing i find is 100% i mean literally 100% me its like im looking into a mirror of myself and the part the shocked me the most is the zodiac signs, leo geez im so happy that ive found that there are others like me....always felt like i posess some supernatural powers of some sort 😂😂😂
I think being a Sigma male has much more awareness than most people. Awareness is everything. Also, a Sigma has chameleon characteristics of being an Alpha, Beta, and whatever other there are. We blend into any one that fits our needs. We are the hybrids of all humans.
I am 66 and I finally understand why I went through what I went through. Always picking my own way over others, because I knew it was right. I never questioned myself. As a kid, I did everything on my own, my own way. I could go on and on. An isolate and perfectly comfortable. Knowing every situation, sometimes almost subconsciously. The observations are there without effort. It's bizarre to think about. Evaluation and options that come very quickly, sometimes seemingly from nowhere. It's a weird place to be.
People hav alwsys tried 2 put me down ..& I laugh thm out..quietly... i always dd wht I felt was right 4 me....I love isolation while otber people like validation or wht 2 b accepted... i more like Know thyself Love THYSELF...thts 4 me d most important .
You dont need to be introvert to be Sigma (Im ambivert)*. Its going about values/ stay behind/ not cheating/ be joyful/ laser in the eyes/ knowledge/ wisdom/ has own opinion/ own way/ stay away from social media/ believes in his choices/ be brave/ every times stand up (Im twice bankrupt- I dont car xD Keep going...)/ is not a prostitute/ has long term strategy based on vision and values (nobody understand- no matter ;)/ etc. etc. *Ok, you said it in point 7. You understand :)
I procured some spectacles with clear frames, grew an immaculate beard and dyed it ginger and quiffed up me hair. Then I bought an over tight T shirt, slightly ripped jeans and I no longer wear socks. Also, I began to walk in a manly slow motion type way , occasionally glancing into a shop window and giving that "knowing" look. Pleeeeeassssse tell me I'm now Sigma!!!!! (this comment was written for comedic purposes only and not intended to offend , upset and whatever else!) PS Love the vid man 😎
I didn't realize that I gravitate toward the Sigma male category until about four years ago at the age of 55. A video showed up in my feed and I watched it. Wow! I always knew I was different. Even my wife has watched a few of the Sigma male videos with me and agrees.
For years I have railed against the idea of males ranking themselves or other males into 'alphas', 'betas' or any other class. I think it's demeaning and childish. I think very little of ANYONE who considers themselves to be an 'alpha male'. As soon as someone claims to be alpha I immediately think "No dude. You're not alpha. You are an insecure little child." All men are brothers with strengths and weaknesses. Only the feeble in mind and spirit feel the need to compare themselves to others. Or worse... rank themselves against others. I'm literally embarrassed for you.
Yes, for example, the term Alpha was applied to humans by pseudo-experts borrowing the concept from a study that documented the behavior of wolves. It's since been revealed that this study was bogus, but people love labels, even if they're based on myths.
You're right on one important point. Men operate in teams very well, it's all about the goal at hand. People are hung up on Jung and few have moved beyond that.
@@lonniecole1435 true I was referring to when it was mentioned about those that constantly say it and throw out that they’re this personality or that for validation
People refuse to talk to us. Yet. They watch us. I do my own thing. Example. Taking care of my yard. When doing so. I know other neighbors are not doing the same exact thing. Over time. They started to. They are waiting to see what I do next. Yet. I can careless. I have things to do when I decide to do them. Do I care if I fit into a category. Nope. Personally. I hate categories. I just go do my own thing. I tried the category thing. Doesn't work. Thanks for the information, anyway.
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Only so I can sneak to Russia
Im know I I’m not a sigma male but a SuperSimpBeta!
Most if not all. Of these attributes. Apply to me. But I don't consider myself to be a Sigma male. I consider myself To be A. Somewhat rational, reasonable, sensible human being. Maybe a little crazy, too. But not in a bad way. I don't mean anyone Any harm I don't feel comfortable being labeled. Categorized Fitting a certain profile. From a psychological point of view. This way of thinking. Will ultimately lead to. Tribalism Group on group biases. Prejudice Segregation separation There are only 2 kinds of people in the world. Good people And bad people. We are all individuals with our own life experiences. We don't all think the same believe the Same things Biology isn't perfect either. Some people are born with defective minds. I feel fortunate.
Grateful To have been born.
With a somewhat sound mind. Although I have to admit. Being raised in the American culture. Has had some negative effects on my mental health. Overt narcissism And covert narcissism. Describes the majority of personality types in my opinion. So if you want to further.
Divide Polarize Society even more than what it is today. Keep making these videos good job.
If you’re watching this video, there are big chances you’re not sigma. Well it looks like I’m not then. Goodbye
WHY DO YOU SHOW VIDEO OF BETA CUCKS?
A true sigma is born with His traits and doesn't know they are sigma until they are older and can reflect back on life
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Too right
Agreed. I've never heard of the Sigma personality type till like a few months ago yet like 90% of these traits I see in myself and have always been like that my whole life. I believe you have to naturally be an introvert first and life experiences mild you into the proverbial Sigma personality or dominant introvert.
Exactly. Also never heard of Sigma until a few months ago. I knew I wasn’t a Beta and Alpha’s annoy me.
@@DEEZEEMTB: I never heard of Sigma males until about January of 2022, and right here on
TH-cam. I had NO IDEA I was one - certainly when watching many videos and researching/reading
many articles, I round out at anywhere from 90%-to-95%. That's just me. I've always dealt with it
just fine (me, anyway), yet all of my life I just wished I was FAR MORE outgoing. But... we can't have
everything, can we? Be you.
As the saying goes: Tell me what you brag about and I'll tell you what you lack
i like this one,
I never brag !!! I under play everything. Making people Envious is Stupid. They will just Hate You !!!
Hmmm, I spent 55 years knowing I was different but not knowing why I've always walked my own path. Family and ppl don't get me either. Thanks for your vids!
I mirror you, my friend. I am 47 and live alone with my Dog, he seems to know me better than any Human, family included. When you are different, it can be off-putting to others, yet we are encouraged to be "Ourselves", so long as we conform and fit in with the rest.
I am 56 & I feel the same way! Didn't know I was a sigma until about 3 months ago!
Society: Just be yourself.
Also society: Not like that.
@twothousandwordpictures9612 You're comment doesnt even make sense given you violated the last rule with your comment. Maybe its actually you who doesn't fit friend.
@@khaliqking7142 The gaining of knowledge is the beginning of wisdom.
True sigmas don't ever type on the comments saying stuff like "as a sigma myself" or "I am a sigma"... they just watch the video, give a light chuckle and smirk and move on with their day...
corny ass dude
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Very good points. When you are completely alone and you think back on your goals, your day, or your life. The main question is "Have I been true to myself, my path, and my goals?"
I used to be the odd one out and it seemed to me that everyone hated me and avoided me. It turned out I was in the middle of narcists and sheep and I was neither of those. So I always stayed true to myself and choose my own path in life because It would be so insanely boring otherwise.
Amen especially the last point!! As a sigma type male I exhibit an ambivert personality not a simple introvert!! Absolutely love alone time…reading, researching chosen ideas and thinking logically.. in a gathering I can participate with gusto..watching for reactions both verbal and nonverbal
Man you straight dope. word up.
You fit this video perfectly, I can almost see you telling everyone "me me I'm a real sigma" pathetic
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Nope haven’t mentioned it to anyone.
I can relate.
@@gordonlawson2334your literally in a thread where you said “as a sigma male” in a video about how to tell someone isn’t a sigma male and the first thing is if you go around announcing you’re “built different “ you’re not a sigma. But please, go on.
That last point resonates sounds!
Good talk❤
There’s all levels of sigma some may gravitate more towards alpha and some a little beta. But one thing in common has to be doing your “own thing” and not caring about others opinion and validation or seeking approval ! Just living your life basically free 😊
This is very true. Sigma is the only one I know of that have different variations but still the same person deep down. Like you said, one may gravitate more towards the alpha trait while others may share a little more beta than most but no sigma gravitates more towards beta, it's just not in a sigma's nature to do that.
How I look at it is, or at least from my perspective and experience, sigma's were once alpha's but got tired of the "hey everybody look at me" being the center of attention crap and decided to stop being around fake people and protect your own inner peace. However, a sigma male could never once be a beta that somehow gained alpha characteristics or you never were a beta to begin with because it's not in their nature either. I don't like being submissive on pretty much anything except maybe bedroom activities I'd like it every now and then if my woman would take the lead or show me her aggressive side because it's a turn on.
1 You feel the need to tell everyone that you are different
2 You gate keep your hobbies or interests
3 You constantly complain about anything and everything
4 You only mirror other people's thoughts
5 You are afraid of taking risks
6 You care to much about what others think of you
7 You think every point in this video must apply to you in order to be a Sigma Male
And you have the to write that comment
Thank you made a 8:30 pointless video a 15 second read. You've saved the time of others. Unfortunately it took me 1 minutes to go through this videos point since I didn't scroll down to the comments after just reading the point in the video myself
Repeating does not always end in results, but I encourage you to keep at it.
@@stevefreeman6646 its not about repeating , but more about getting to the point 😀
Cut out the BS and Smalltalk
And you have to write down that comment.
Excellent video. I have read on some posts on other videos claiming there's sigmas. Very educational.
Simply put for me when I was very young was when both of my parents told me, at separate times of course,
that, *"You have 3 brothers and 4 sisters, and look at you - you're growing up like an only child."* The story gets
a bit longer and complicated after that. I was their "lone wolf" son.
Good analysis. For me, almost all of these points that I am not, confirms that I am Sigma. As always, I keep watching & reaffirming what I am and who I am
Sigmas, i find, like to teach and spread their hobbies
Not just hobbies but everything, if their is a better way why hide it?
@ChaNnArD-mD it doesn't even have to be better, it can just be a lot of fun.
Exactly. It's fun, nice, better whatever. But as a waiter I even recommend the things I like to the costumer if asked in any way. Even my small talk consists only of the things I like or I just bullshit my way through and try to end the conversation xd
That is because knowledge is power. Knowledge is meant to be shared with all, so others may benefit, be a better person and make the lives of those around them better too, which results in this being passed on, and forward. We don't break the chain of love and knowledge. We do this not for reward, but because it is the right thing to do. The best reward is seeing the seeds we plant in others come to fruition.
We love to teach and talk .
The last point is mind-blowing lmao 😂 good one mate
While I am not Keanu Reeves, nor Daniel Craig, I have 55 years to look back over and can see the signs as they rose for me. I watch from the sidelines, and collect information. I identify with many of the qualities and this video just polishes the rough edges. Always a good reminder that we put our pants on the same way every day, and we are no better than anyone else. And I treat others as I would like to be treated. But I stand alone in my corner relishing my individuality and solitude. I learned the lesson about approval long ago and I got a good dose of humility training as well, when I was much younger. All in All, it all makes sense to me now. Thanks for the video. Happy Christmas to all.
Number seven sealed it more for me. Number 5 Afraid of taking risks. I don't take any undue risks for the sake of knowing I can get out clean. If I think it's too risky, I steer clear of it. So at number 5, I was thinking, "Screw this video. I'm not Superman, and I know I'm not." Then comes number seven....
Anyone actively trying to be sigma, can never be sigma. A true sigma doesn't even know there's a label for the type of man he is. I found this video in my feed and found out i am definitely a SIGMA. Sigmas could play the alpha role but would ultimately fail because leadership is case by case. A sigma will lead if necessary, but is uncomfortable being recognized, lauded or adored by strangers.
You are another one .......
You described me too. These videos have been so fascinating to me as I only understood my true nature only later in life. Til now I don't give a shit about labels, impressions, what people think, or trying to follow societal norms. I'm glad to know now why I've actually struggled with how different I am from everyone.
Right on! When it comes to gate-keeping hobbies and interests: Someone asking about hobbies and interests is really one of the few ways that somebody can get a Sigma to become animated for a period of time.
I tend to bore people with my Hobbies, they are not conventional to the average Guy. So long as I have my Dog, and my Rubik's Cube, I am a happy Chap.
I have talked with other people for hours about our hobbies and interests, many were considered strange by others and rarely talked to anyone, now I understand why.
@@jerryrigger3040 I collect spores, molds, and fungus.
@@charlesrichards5389 Doe you ferment vegitables?
Correct short period of time is Sufficient
A true sigma doesn't care whether or not he is a sigma... labels aren't as significant, but rather authenticity.
The statement made was truly insightful and important. Just like Autism, Sigma has become something that many people can identify with. Personally, I believe that labels don't define us. We should prioritise recognising ourselves as individuals first, rather than getting caught up in categorisations.
i agree. I illustrated what you said somewhat. does it come across ok? if you checked i'd appreciate it.. (I posted it at top 2 minutes ago)
A small percentage of people within this thread get it and understand what's really going welcome aboard the non self made labeled express train folks and enjoy the ride to a greater yet more rewarding and elevational destination!
Damn, it took a few reads to find any sense at all. Have a cookie. Labels really suck.
SPOT ON. Although pretty much 99% of what they sigma men are, I am - I am still only me - If society wants to label me as a sigma, then fine - but all I know to be, is to be me, and I do not require anyone to label it or validate who/what I am.
I just do my thing. A friend of mine told my second wife just let Jerry be Jerry. Well I guess Im not enough. She's soon to be my ex. Her choice.
It took me fifty plus years to discover this. I've always been the one going against the current, reflecting on myself, my actions and my opinions. Always curious, always trying to be better than yesterday. I don't take unnecessary risks but rather taking calculated risks. I may be a sigma empath, but will probably never be sure about it. Do I really care? No. I am who I am and that's enough for me.
I disagreed with you Sir (once). Said: No. What a nonsense. When you mentioned #7 I laughed. And agreed. Refreshing to hear from someone that isn't that superficial to generalize everything.
Excellent! Please continue on and be blessed Sir!
Lol same. When the point of being at the edge of the cliff came up in particular for me. Thought to myself, "well I'd consider that reckless". I'm fine with Getting out of my comfort zone every once and a while which was his general point in that example but i also know what i like and stick to it. Anyway i also laughed when he said number 7 lol
I guess you could say a Sigma doesn’t worry about whether he’s a Sigma.
Well you Can't do anything about it anyway !!! I can't understand why people pretend to be Sigma. It's like pretending to be Autistic !!!
As I was listening to all of the valid points that you made, I absolutely loved the Last point I could not stop laughing on how accurate it is
My point of view on the points of the video.
1) Yeah I never felt the need to say I'm different. The only thing I've always asked is why i'm different to the vast mayority.
2) I don't gatekeep my hobbies, however if someone ask me about them I can endalge in conversation
3) I express my grievances in order to not allow them to continue and find a solution to the situation.
4) See point 1, enough said.
5) Taking risk depends on the situation. You must always calculate it. If it can ruin the whole or deal wait for the opportunity to arrise. But you cant wait forever. In order words act with wisdom, but act.
6) if you like me ok, if you dont ok too
7) All human beings can and mostlikely will exhibit the traits of the other archetypes maybe can be equally between only 2
I always knew I was different but couldn't explain why, always the quiet one just observing. But well aware.
Thanks again for this. I know I am a sigma male. Recently discovered and I have no doubts. It’s like being given a shoe by a random stranger, and after putting it on, feeling like it was meant to be your’s.
Videos like this keeps me going. Makes me understand my self better.
Perfect! Bravo! Thank you again for the awesome video!
Your last point remains true. This is why I don't pigeonhole myself saying I'm a Sigma. I do have mostly Sigma traits, granted, but I do have some from some of the other Greek letters.
True, my Mantra has always been "getting back up off the mat after a beating is the greatest strength".
I never paid that much attention to different personality traits before. But i knew I wasn't an alfa nor do i want to be that way and i didn't think i was a beta either because i dont like being bossed around in any way. I am normally pretty quick at putting someone respectively in their place if they do. But i always felt labels dont really matter anyway. I am what I am.
Recently, I stumbled upon some Sigma videos. I never even knew Sigmas existed. Now have been watching a bunch of them. They have blown my mind. Each video i have watched I have 7-8 traits of the 10-12 traits discussed.
It is great. I feel like i am learning about myself and why i sometimes make decisions and have some idiosyncrasies that make some people including my wife that think i am weird.
If you are not a sigma male but you want to be one, forget it. You are either born that way or you're not. You can't become one, like putting on a Halloween costume.
My Mother used to complain saying Why aren't you like Everyone Else ???? I had no Idea until I got older !!!!
@@spaceted3977 this makes perfect sense. People who are not sigmas can't conceive of why we are the way we are. When I was a little kid in elementary school, my 4th grade teacher made me stay after everyone else left one day, so he could run his mouth at me. He said: you know what happens to people like you? I say: what kind of people am I? And he says: you're a misfit, a nonconformist. I say ok, so what happens and he says I predict, young man, that if you don't toe the line and straighten up and fly right, that you'll end up serving a long sentence in prison...he was right of course, but instead of being locked up I am in self imposed exile. Nevertheless, what a horrible thing to say to a 9 year old child...this is the kind of people we grow up in the midst of.
@@spaceted3977 also your mother probably loves you and it must have disturbed her to see how obviously different you were from the masses and she may have felt bad because she was able to foresee the difficulties this would create for you in your life...
@@dingusdingus2152 My Mother was terrified because I wasn't cunning like her and my father. But I can fix anything that breaks down, I can cook anything I want and I can look after myself and my 2 dogs perfectly well !!! I have had a much happier life than my parents, and if my Mother ever loved me, she certainly never showed it !!!!!
@@dingusdingus2152 School was never about learning anything useful. It was about conditioning you to go and eat your dinner when a bell rang, and to ask to go to the toilet. If you ask any questions you are an outcast. Well they can all F*ck Off !!! They're not controlling my thoughts !!!!
I agree with all 7 of these. Number 6 was the real struggle until I turned 50. I've been at the edge of cliff willing to scale it ever since.
The Sigma Confidence. I had never heard that before but it is spot on. Thank you.
Other people tell me I'm different. There's no hidden hobbies for me. When I complain it's just my way of detailing what I'm fixing. I go my own way. Don't tell me I can't do something I'll show you I can. I don't care what others think about me. I am my own man. I don't care if I'm a Sigma or not. I don't need assurance of anything.
Yes, Brother! Totally agree with you, I don't care what people think of me, it is how I judge myself that matters. So long as I follow my own path, I am my own Man.
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Thanks for the informative video. What is the title of the wonderful music background?
Both songs: Moments - In Peaceful Defiance | Adam Saban - Redemption Instrumental
@@achievegreatnessmedia Thank you very much.
I have been told I am alpha but believe sigma fits more. Only because all my life I never cared about having friends, social norms, rules or just the opinions of others. Besides my family. I have always done things my own way and it’s worked out no matter what people say. Also I have been told I sit in the back of the classroom and observe. I had a therapist talk about that to a group of people I was in group with. She pointed it out how I always sit in the back and watch. Also I only talk to few people who share my interest. Never new sigma until the last year .
This is fantastic and extremely interesting. Answers a lot of questions. Contrarians
I am pleased to see a "what it is not" video - thanks!
You asked for thoughts...
I am new to this term: Sigma. I have thought about it a lot recently.
I saw a few videos on common characteristics... They seem to apply to me, so I assume they are designed to be the sort of thing everybody would feel positive about...
Maybe they seem to apply to me because they seem to apply to everybody.
I am not so sure I agree it is "real" or even something we can self-diagnose, but it certainly describes my ideals for myself.
I was encouraged to hear you describe it as something that can be learned.
Sigma seems to be strongly related to Stoicism. I think discipline changes our neural wiring over time - we can probably become the kind of person we seek to become.
And... you helped confirm my biases.
One thing that tips off I may be one is I have a very small facebook friends list. Probably less than 30. I have no desire to have a lot of friends. I know the people I facebook with, and I don't take FB's suggestions to befriend anyone, and I have even deleted some previous friends, because I think they see me incorrectly. Not trying to be rude, but eliminate the misjudgment.
There's one other thing that you forgot to mention in this video.
A true sigma doesnt go around telling others that they are a sigma, they let their actions and confidence demonstrate that without saying anything.
Psst! 1:18
Maybe you jumped up to grab a fresh beer or something!?
Cheers!
A true sigma doesn't need to demonstrate anything ever.
@@Digitalsapien yes and no. At a job you have to demonstrate that your capable of doing it and do it correctly doesn't matter if it's a sigma, alpha, beta or who ever.
Overall though I'd agree, however, there's always something that sigma's prove themselves to.
Like a task that they are tackling, think logically, also they prove to themselves that they can and will achieve it.
@@darkchthonian856 Fair enough - I meant doesn't need to demonstrate to others anything for self-validation, but with your point about pragmatic demonstrations I would agree. When there is a clear purpose to the demonstration, then yes, sigma would do so gladly.
@@Digitalsapien exactly, so I think there was just a misunderstanding is all and the wording could've been better I agree
I think serious songwriters are usually sigma males …. Gordon Lightfoot comes to my mind.
I can tell he was totally immersed in his musical writing projects yet his greatest joy was performing his music live.
He was married several times…the women were always fascinated by his mystery musical genius I suppose.
So a sigma tends to enjoy closing themselves in a room and working out a musical composition while sipping a beer..and taking it on stage to experience a great rush of dopamine…they get joy in their art being admired…but it’s not an arrogance of self praise..because they seriously care about their audience’s enjoyment or acceptance of the songs.
I identify with these types of men.
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This is the best video on the sigma male you have done.
thanks for this video
I have no idea about who you are, or where you found all this information... But all of your points hit the nail on the head... I used to think that I myself were a Alpha male, until I stumbled into your site... Thank you for allowing me to discover why I feel the way that I do about how this society is churning around me...😊😊😊
as long as you work with all those alpha traits, you're on your way to be a high level alpha. you just can't fake being an alpha. can't fake leadership traits, can't fake assertiveness if you don't have past accomplishments. confidence of the alpha is base on his accomplishments and achievements, how he fails and raise and fail again. understanding alpha traits is only gonna get us better. enough of this none sense sigma b.s. most of them that claims they're sigma are just socially awkward people that don't take risk, and claim they're indeferent but infact they just don't stand out
@@timdane6132 None of this stuff is real, you either have a pair or you don't. But, it does get clicks I guess.
Excellent video, AG. Thank you. "Essence and mindset." 👍🏻
Thank you Gareth!!!
i agree particularly the last one
What happened to "just be yourself"?
I especially agree with #7. The areas that don't fit me are because I decided to change me. I was painfully shy, reclusive, introverted, and frowned all the time until I was 13. This was pointed out to me and after reflection I decided to change. If I told you now how I was before 13, you would doubt me.
Well at it's core, sigma males are introverted men of few words. Not speaking just to fill the uncomfortable silence and only choosing to speak when they have something worth while to say. Stoicism is one of their defining characteristics
Thank you for this channel.
I would rather be hated for the truth of who I am than loved for who I am not.
7 is definitely true. I may not gate keep my hobbies, I sure do love sharing them. But, I definitely don't care what other people think of me
I could be sigma. But i have no drive to achieve some great thing. I am a lone wolf who goes it alone. Always have. Even had the discussion with my father a few times. Until he finally saw exactly why i do what I do. People get in the way. I move quick, fast and in a hurry. My mind already knows what to do, all that is needed is to get it done. Now get outta the way, shit is about to go down.
I don't want to be a sigma. It's too lonely. I'm just out casted by life 😢
Completely Spot on! I only stumbled on one of these, but it's because I am am Sigma Empath Heyoka
1-I don't really tell anyone im different unless they ask
2-I don't force gatekeeping but I do feel the need to address the things that need addressing
3-I tend to not complain about everything just whats in the way of me moving forward
4-I don't take unnecessary risks neither do I believe any person should just take any risks without thinking
5-zero care about what others think of me whether it's negative or positive
6-good thing not everything in this video describes me
I agree with this 100% it depends on your unique journey and all and most of all your environment
I am 61 and didn't even know what a Sigma Male was until today. I came across a few TH-cam vids, and I'll be damned. I am 100% Sigma. There is one characteristic in this particular post that I will admit does not align with me: I really like approval of others; however, I make ZERO decisions to get it. GREAT POST!
The last Point is the best. In the individual Journey in Life of a Sigma there can be special reasons and preferences why they intentionally not fits in all typical Sigma Signs in this Video. Or Life can even him weakened temporary in some areas until he come back in Form like a Tiger or Lion or Wolve or Eagle he also can be broken or traumatized but not forever.
Thanks. Im not really a sigma male at all. I don’t have the confidence and I care too much what people think. Etc.
That's true because I didn't realize until my 50's
4 out of 7, I don't like labels, and I'm not a lone wolf. I have dogs and we r a pack. But I'll still watch for the advice on women
I'm glad the last statement was made not as easy to put labels on everything. Life isn't that straightforward, unfortunately.
I agreed with all your points but the first , I find it hard to pass on knowledge, wisdom to someone that is not worth the time…
I am not a Sigma. I am me. I will continue to be me until i die. I don't need the world to label me. I don't need any of you. I can do this by myself. I don't need anyone to figure it out for me. I've done it this far and i will continue to do so.
Like many males, you do seem to have a few Sigma traits. Good for you.
If you've ever seen the movie 'To Sir, With Love', you'll realize that Sidney Poitier's character, Mark Thackery, is representative of the sigma male.
Thank you for sharing this insightful video :)
Wow! You just described me... I had no idea what a sigma was or that I was one!
Finally! Tip #7.
It's very interesting, after reading comments in previous posts I'd watched on this topic from this channel recently , with all the men chiming in saying 'this is me'! in one word or another, I felt that was a very non Sigma thing to do , this post kind of proves that .
One of the things people misunderstand about describing human archetypes is that they're a guide to understanding that type of person and not a set of rules that need to be adhered to. Many of us appear to be Sigmas and have a good many of the Sigma attributes yet don't fully fit into the definition of a Sigma, it could very well be that few truly do. Remember, in the worlds holy books archetypes where portrayed as Gods or close to God since no one person could perfectly emulate that archetype.
I think you should add this. If you don't mind waiting around for a group to get their act together, e.g., waiting for them to "get ready" to go hiking, on a drive, a picnic, dinner, etc., then you probably aren't a Sigma. One thing I can not stand is when making plans with a group, it takes forever for them to get ready to go. You end up waiting until it's really too late to go. I hate wasting time waiting for people to get their act together. It's why I usually go alone.
8) You're often on YT announcing your 'Sigma-ness' to mere mortals.
Always been a lone wolf that didn't give a flying 🤬 about what other people though about me or my idears. In my older years I'm more quiet. I made a mental smoke screen of quick replies to people who tries to get info about me. In my experience, people often use the info for gossiping rather than exchange of ideas. So whats the point of being honest to strangers? One of my quick replies goes like this: A woman ask me, " What do you do for work? ", And I reply " Would you like to see a bank statement? She may say no, why do you ask me that? "Its more easy to see how mutch I make that way". I just know that most women dosent really care about what men do for work. They just want to see what you are making. The bonus of that remark is that you get to see how she reacts under pressure. Some woman use masculine energy during disagreements. And I dont like those women😂
These videos are giving me goosebumps , i just discovered these personalities yesterday, I have watched all of your videos and from many other channels and every thing i find is 100% i mean literally 100% me its like im looking into a mirror of myself and the part the shocked me the most is the zodiac signs, leo geez im so happy that ive found that there are others like me....always felt like i posess some supernatural powers of some sort 😂😂😂
Thanks for all
Simply.- I agree with this Video.
Tried to listen but didn't remember anything . I'll try to watch again
Actually mirroring can be useful if you are aware of it's power.
I think being a Sigma male has much more awareness than most people. Awareness is everything. Also, a Sigma has chameleon characteristics of being an Alpha, Beta, and whatever other there are. We blend into any one that fits our needs. We are the hybrids of all humans.
lol
Recently I stumbled on Sigma male videos, never gave it a thought until I saw the traits, In many ways this is me.
Thank you for this.
Awesome Channel!!
I am 66 and I finally understand why I went through what I went through. Always picking my own way over others, because I knew it was right. I never questioned myself. As a kid, I did everything on my own, my own way. I could go on and on. An isolate and perfectly comfortable. Knowing every situation, sometimes almost subconsciously. The observations are there without effort. It's bizarre to think about. Evaluation and options that come very quickly, sometimes seemingly from nowhere. It's a weird place to be.
8th Obvious Sign : integrity isn't important to you.
People hav alwsys tried 2 put me down ..& I laugh thm out..quietly... i always dd wht I felt was right 4 me....I love isolation while otber people like validation or wht 2 b accepted... i more like Know thyself Love THYSELF...thts 4 me d most important
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Two roads diverge, the wood, and I. I took the road less traveled by. Robert Frost
You dont need to be introvert to be Sigma (Im ambivert)*. Its going about values/ stay behind/ not cheating/ be joyful/ laser in the eyes/ knowledge/ wisdom/ has own opinion/ own way/ stay away from social media/ believes in his choices/ be brave/ every times stand up (Im twice bankrupt- I dont car xD Keep going...)/ is not a prostitute/ has long term strategy based on vision and values (nobody understand- no matter ;)/ etc. etc.
*Ok, you said it in point 7. You understand :)
Exactly... it ages well too....even under dire conditions.
Thanks for this video
I procured some spectacles with clear frames, grew an immaculate beard and dyed it ginger and quiffed up me hair. Then I bought an over tight T shirt, slightly ripped jeans and I no longer wear socks. Also, I began to walk in a manly slow motion type way , occasionally glancing into a shop window and giving that "knowing" look. Pleeeeeassssse tell me I'm now Sigma!!!!! (this comment was written for comedic purposes only and not intended to offend , upset and whatever else!) PS Love the vid man 😎
I didn't realize that I gravitate toward the Sigma male category until about four years ago at the age of 55. A video showed up in my feed and I watched it. Wow! I always knew I was different. Even my wife has watched a few of the Sigma male videos with me and agrees.
this video is worth saving in my list and dump to anyone in comment section that claims theyre sigma
Well said those who speak don't know those who know don't speak
For years I have railed against the idea of males ranking themselves or other males into 'alphas', 'betas' or any other class. I think it's demeaning and childish. I think very little of ANYONE who considers themselves to be an 'alpha male'. As soon as someone claims to be alpha I immediately think "No dude. You're not alpha. You are an insecure little child." All men are brothers with strengths and weaknesses. Only the feeble in mind and spirit feel the need to compare themselves to others. Or worse... rank themselves against others. I'm literally embarrassed for you.
Yes, for example, the term Alpha was applied to humans by pseudo-experts borrowing the concept from a study that documented the behavior of wolves. It's since been revealed that this study was bogus, but people love labels, even if they're based on myths.
You're right on one important point. Men operate in teams very well, it's all about the goal at hand. People are hung up on Jung and few have moved beyond that.
If you have to tell people that you are alpha or sigma you’re probably not as much as you think you are
Sometimes you have to tell others what makes you the person you are, so they understand why you seem different.
@@lonniecole1435 true I was referring to when it was mentioned about those that constantly say it and throw out that they’re this personality or that for validation
People refuse to talk to us. Yet. They watch us. I do my own thing. Example. Taking care of my yard. When doing so. I know other neighbors are not doing the same exact thing. Over time. They started to. They are waiting to see what I do next. Yet. I can careless. I have things to do when I decide to do them. Do I care if I fit into a category. Nope. Personally. I hate categories. I just go do my own thing. I tried the category thing. Doesn't work. Thanks for the information, anyway.