There are several Amish communities near us. We have many Amish friends. Each community does things a little bit differently. Most of them around us don't shun their family members that choose not to join the church. The individual does have to leave the Amish community, but they can go back and visit family and friends. Some elders won't eat at the same table with them, but that's really the only thing. I do find it interesting that they all have slightly different ways of doing traditional things. There are many minnonite communities here, all very different from each other.
I was raised in a similar background although not Amish. I left my childhood church when I was grown, married with young kids. I was shunned by practically everyone I was raised with once I left. I never left my faith in God at that time but had to leave the “ legalistic” non biblical approach to life that this ancient religion practiced. It was very difficult for me to lose everyone I knew as that was my life and friends. But in the end, I realized a good friend was more cherished than someone that would shun me just because they were told to. I now see that most of the people in that church were following more of a cult like idealization than a true spirit filled walk with the Lord. Thanks for the interesting video.
Wow what a powerful story. Thank you so much for sharing this with me and I wish you all the best in your journey. Your perspective must be so fascinating
This idea is good. It gives kids a choice. Take it from me (Christian, DIA attorney contractor, Father of 2 little girls). I was never really given a choice to explore the outside world. Always, and forever will be wrong. If I had a chance at 16, I would have never followed the road I did. Long story short, while I can't relate personally to the Amish, I respect the tradition. The real world/work world, is beyond horrific. If I was ever given an "option" to explore the outside world, I would have changed everything. But, now, it's too late for me.
In what Amish community did you live in ? because I know a lot of the communities and I don't know of any that don't have the Rumspringa although the youth might not dress in English cloth they still have a time that they do not obey the rules of the church.
From what I understand, more male Amish kids change into “English” clothing on Rumspringer. That’s not to say that females don’t try it, but they often can’t adjust to it as well as males do, probably due to the fact that males still wear pants in the “English” world, whereas females find themselves facing a total turnaround from their known clothing (such as women “outside” wearing pants or short skirts, etc).
Another very enlightening video Kelly! Thanks to you and Doug for sharing your knowledge of a very misunderstood group of people. I have a couple of questions, while you explained in the video that of all the Amish youth that go out and experience the outside world during Rumspringa, very few choose to remain in the English world in the end. My question is, of all the non-Amish people that are exposed to the Amish way of life these days, how common is it for a non-Amish person to become part of the Amish community and are the Amish accepting of new members from the outside? A point that I'd like to make also is that it is a real shame that the Amish are learning our societies worst behaviors, while it would be so beneficial for our society to learn so many good things from the Amish. Being part of a good, supportive community is something that Americans generally don't experience unless there's been a tragedy. The Amish rely on their close community every day.
way she says RRRumspringa, without trilling the R at the beginning and adding an R (where there is none) at the end, was enough to force me to have to record my own PROPERLY said version into my iPhone LoL (argh).
Leaving the Amish a lot of times does not mean leaving your family. My dad and mom were both Amish and my siblings and I always or at least when we aren’t busy go to ice dream suppers and always attend Christmas. I’ve been invited to a lot of Amish weddings as well and I’m not Amish.
I think that's what we call it "to kick off the horns" ("sich die Hörner abstoßen") .. Maybe in a "light" or "soft" version. After that, one also decides whether one marries and becomes "sedentary" or continues to "wild" through the world and does what he wants. *hehe*
Not all Amish communities shun family members who choose not to fully join the Amish church. They are much more likely to shun if a person joined the church then leaves it. Some Amish Communities will still talk to, eat with, ect people who chose not to join the church. I have even seen some here who let their family member park a car on the home property. Most young Amish in the communities I live close to or that my dad grew up in did change to their English clothes when they were out on weekends but always changed back to Amish clothes before going back home.
Same with the Amish communities around here. Most that choose to leave the community still have contact with their families. They don't live in the community, but they still can go back and see family, friends, ect... They are not shunned.
I thought this was very well explained...i live in Ohio near Holmes County and you said something about Amish Mafia. My family and I personally know Little Wayne (one of the actors) and what people dont understand is that the people who are on these shows normally dont belong to a Amish community anymore. Little Wayne left his community when he was 17. The Holmes County cast and the Pennsylvania cast never actually talked or met each other. I will say somethings on that show are true, on the show Wayne and Merlin hated each other...in real life they don't like each other also. And Little Wayne is actually a lumberjack. But almost everything else was completely fake. Amish Mafia ended because the directors wanted to do sex scenes and illegal stuff and everyone broke their contracts.
I am at 6:41, and just need to stop. What is not being made clear is that not all Amish have Rumpringa-In fact, a lot do not. I know it is more popular in Pennsylvania, but I have heard that the Amish near me really don’t do Rumspringa. Also, it is not being made clear in this video that (it was in the previous one) that each little group of Amish is different in terms of their rules. I am in Northern Illinois, and I know some of the Amish near me in Indiana are a little more lenient. Yet just north of me in Wisconsin there are groups of Swartzentruber Amish, who are so strict they use outhouses and who consider Old Order Amish to be way too soft! I just have to say that I also think people get super hung up on this lack of electricity in Old Order Amish houses. They use alternatives and honestly I don’t think it is all that bad. They have appliances such as refrigerators and stoves,but the difference is they run on propane. They have washing machines that run on a generator, and I have seen solar panels on several roofs. I think being off grid is a lot more comfortable now than it used to be.
Mary Anne Brown .. Yes, they live "off the grid" just like homesteaders. My understanding is every community has slightly different rules, but they do use "English" neighbors to drive them places in emergencies. They also can take buses. I see them at rest stops along the Pennsylvania turnpike.
George Martin Search Results Featured snippet from the web Amish people do not have birth certificates or social security cards. ... When an Amish member chooses to leave their Amish community and live in the modern world, individuals are met with a great challenge since they have no proof of citizenship, no way to get a legal job or a driver's license.
Metro Pcs Eli Stutzman, Samuel Borntreger, Edward Gingerich. Three easily researchable examples of Amish men imprisoned for murder. With your logic they would’ve been able to massacre their whole community with no consequences.
A couple of questions: 1. It may have been made clear in the video and I missed it, but once a person decides to leave the faith, are they never allowed to see their family again? 2. On the Rumspringa, are they allowed to be promiscuous? Or are they still saving themselves for marriage?
From what I've gathered the individuals who choose to leave are shunned by the whole community. There's no actual rule against them visiting their family, however the combination of pressure from the other parishioners and their own often very deep and lasting disappointment in their child's decision can make returning home for the holidays an even less appealing prospect than it is for the rest of us.
@@evam.3023 from my family’s personal experience, we did not get shunned. They still invite us back to family get togethers and other events even though we live in Texas now. Like many people who have left the Amish faith they do not also need to leave their family. But again that’s just our experience I’m sure there’s many other experience where people have been shunned from their families.
This video blew me away! I didn't know this community at all, and this lifestyle and I find it pretty amazing. I find it difficult to understand how these traditions have survived and these people manage to stay out of all the century’s modernity by living in a developed country like the United States. As a teenager I also find it hard to imagine that young people want to stay in this community especially when we heard that 95% choose to perpetuate the community. I find this “experimentation time” is such a great idea, the teen can discover and taste a basic life and make their own decision. But I think this is difficult at this age to abandon once family for ever. If I was born as an Amish girl, I don’t know myself which way I will choose.
Amish do not share many experiences from their years of RumSpringga with their children , Also Doug is speaking of Pennsylvania Amish. There are many other Amish who aren’t allowed to have that experience. Only about 5% leave when in their teens
Questions: Do the Amish believe in a Pre/Mid/ or Post trib rapture? Do they believe in salvation through water baptism/Spiritual baptism/both? As others here have asked, what happens if a girl loses her virginity during Rumspringa? Is she supported or shunned should she want to stay within the community? I used to live near the W.PA amish and found them to be very friendly and sociable if you approached them gently...esp in the shops. I had a friend who got a flat tire out in the middle of nowhere. She blew and blew her car horn (back in the day of no cell phones). An amish couple heard her and came to her rescue. They took her to a garage in their buggy and she was able to get the help that she needed. On the other hand, I lost a friend in an accident because of an Amish buggy in the road....but to be honest (and there is no way to prove it), I think that her boyfriend was speeding and came up on the buggy, veered left and hit the oncoming car. No survivors. One of the saddest days of our lives. She was 17. The other car was a family of 4. It was so sad. Apparently, the buggy was fully on the road. Thank God that they weren't hit...a miracle. I have always loved and have been intrigued by the Amish. They are the most gently people and always helpful. The TV shows do not portray the Amish people whom I have had the pleasure to meet.
I’m Amish myself age 15 preparing myself for rumspringa. Very very true. I appreciate your videos there are so many rumorous videos on TH-cam right now
Whether or not you remain in the Amish church, the most important things you can do are 1) repent toward God (admit you're a sinner who can't save himself); believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; and the call on Him to grant you the free gift of eternal salvation. After that, produce good works out of graditude because you ARE saved, and NOT to hold onto your own salvation. That't impossible. It's Jesus's job. After becoming a new in Christ, you will be His bondservant for life.
Shunning is done very different in different areas and districts.In some districts they will shun anyone who leaves the Amish community. In my area they only shun the person if she or he has already been baptized into the church
ArmAd Spengler yes, I knew it, but I didn‘t think as far. Greetings from a Swiss German with Swabian/Bavarian roots. And somehow I like Pennsylvania. Interesting video!
Very interesting video again. I'm really curious for the next video and what's the point behind the dutch language(Pennsylvania Dutch). Thanks for the video. :)
It seems to that most parents raise their kids to not only to go out into the world but to be able to succeed. But from what I’ve seen the Amish repeatedly tell their kids that they can’t succeed without them and the community. True or false???
Yes, Rumspringa is a form of indoctrination, or even abuse. It is not a 'choice' to stay in the church or not because they lack the necessary agency to make a reasoned decision, as they as essentially naive children. The goal is to make them dependent on the cult, and instill hatred the outside world.
In other words, up to 20 % loose their parents because a cult is more important to them than theiur own children. Frightening what religion does to previously sane people.
Do Amish learn higher math and science at High School - if they attend one at all. What is the drop out rate after the rumspringa-time, how many Amish (in percentage) leave the community for good (and how many regret that decision and (try to) go back? Is there a discussion within the Amish community, if it is still reasonable to forbid modern technology? PS: springen means jump in German, not run. Like: jump at an idea.
Swedish share a lot of words with the Dutch language and here rumspringa is two words, rum meaning 'room' and springa meaning 'running'. So it would be room running (or running between rooms). I'm prey sure a lot of next generation amish people was conceived during that running between rooms historically and that's how it got its name...
Is it really freedom of religion if you are forced to join the church, if you do not want to leave your family? Shouldn't a religion try and convince people instead of putting pressure on them?
warumbraucheichfü..(man, that's way too long): that's "freedom within the religion" as in almost every religion. Freedom of religion just means that you are free to have one - or none.
Peter Meyer: You are not free to have no (or another) religion if you under the threat of being disowned by your family. warumbraucht.... perfectly got it right.
Absolutely. Forcing kidz into a believe system is nothing unheard of in many cults, but the Amish have taken this to another level. Freedom of religion ends where physical and mental abuse starts. Forcing members not to vote is anti democratic.
Good; you weren't kidding, there's more. We're going to be able to learn more about this really interesting topic. Thanks. Kelly, I'm not completely sure, but I think you're pronouncing the "silent" R at the end of Rumspringa.
Yep there’s at least one more :) and yeah when I was editing this I was dying inside wondering why I kept pronouncing the word wrong especially right after Doug said it. Oh well...
Hi there!!! I have a question! Do the teenagers who participate in Rumspringa only participate with each other in the outside world? As in a group of “rumspringas”...? My understanding was that they go by themselves into into the outside world! I’m just curious! I really enjoyed this video!!!!
This is not to true how tv says it is. Parents allow them to interact with outsiders and experience it. But they don't go out and party like tv shows. A child who has grown up usually is very shy to the new things outside. And by the time they get they usually experience technology mostly.. yet it's overwhelming for them.. usually they don't feel comfortable conforming to the lifestyle. It's like if Americans went and tried to live like a tribe in Africa or in the rainforest in Brazil... it's a totally different world for them.. it's interesting at first but living it fully is hard since they are not used to it.
Good information! My opinion on baptism as from one reading the Bible and still learning how the Jews would have seen this happening at the time: Second baptism can't possibly harm: a baptism was common in the Jewish faith, it was called a mikvah. A bath in fresh water to purify oneself before doing things one must be purified for. It's not what saves a person. Excepting Jesus is what saves a person. Baptism is what should follow once one IS saved. I haven't read anything in biblical text supporting an infant baptism. Thinking of it, I fear it may play against the child's desire to even seek out Jesus in a personal relationship. Jews did quiet the opposite, they baptized everytime they became unclean, always being aware of the need to seek the Lord. Now being saved by Jesus Christ we don't have to be baptized multiple times. And as gentiles, we are reconciled and get the opportunity for baptism/purification. Having said this now I wonder if Jesus sending the blind man to the pool was viewed as a Mikvah?.
Can you tell me what the name of the Amish Facebook page that you mentioned in this video is called? You said it was a group of people who used to be Amish and who left the Amish that are a part of this Facebook page.
In Dutch we have the word `rondhuppelen` that expresses something of an euphoric excitement where it is impossible for the person experiencing it to sit still. The word is a contraction of `rond` which means around and `huppelen` which may either refer to a joyful energetic type of walk (to have a spring in your step) or a child play thing where you do twice left, twice right - think of the Irish line dance but then moving forward while doing it. The English phrase that approaches this word the most is in fact `jumping around` but you could also say `running loose`. It seems to me that Doug's translation for rumspringa is something of a mix between these two and is thus not completely accurate.
Thanks for these videos. It seems I am finding several clues to ancestory in that area. . .and I mean like 2nd and 3rd degree relatives... especially among Miller's, King's, and Yoder's. My Grandmother would never talk about her childhood and I discovered that my biological Grandfather was from the area as well. Do you guys know if amish chose to leave or if there is a shunning...would they change their surnames? The surnames they have do not match my "bloodline". Trying to wrap my head around all of this with no one alive to get answers from. If you have heard or know of this happening please let me know. Thank you.
I grew up as an Amish and did not leave till I was in my 40's and I never have heard of an Amish changing there surname but not saying it could not happen. I know of situations where someone leaves they get treated really badly that they do not want anything to do with there family or friends that were still in the religion and do not want the Amish to find them.
@@Kellydoesherthing I was Amish till I was in my 40's and only left the Amish a couple of years ago. A good video to watch on the Amish is ( Breaking the silence -- My Amish story ) this one is the most accurate story on the Amish that I know of most of the stuff that you see has a lot of untrue stuff in it to Juice the story up. The makers of the Breaking the silence grew up Amish and I know them personally .
An overview of germanic dialects you can find here from 5min. on: th-cam.com/video/K3IImGiiY1Q/w-d-xo.html Me personally, I would say herumspringen means being busy working a lot for other persons. A dog i.e. "springt bei Fuß" if he is called and waiting for orders. A Springer can be someone who can replace others temporarily or switching Jobs very often. Springen does not refer to running but to jumping or getting commanded around. Maybe "Herumspringen" was a reason to emigrate, if you cannot establish your Life in a monarchy?
@@calebzimmerman2309 Not in German. Also, if you look at the game Chess, the horses are called "Springer" in German. They can jump over barriers. "Drum herum" or short "rum" means 'round sth, yes.
@@MrJanml interesting. English is my second language; Pennsylvania Dutch being my first. What you are saying is probably true in German, but does the phrase come from German originally? We would say choomp (the "oo" sounding like in "foot") for jump (or choompa for "to jump"). When we say shpring, we mean run. When we translate rumshpringa into English, we always say "running around" as in referring to the time a youth is part of the youth group from age 16 until marriage. But this may have become mis-translated over the years also.
@@calebzimmerman2309 And what do you mean by running around? Because nobody does it except animals in their hunting area or an olymionic professional athlete? Why do you have such an expression?
This is one of the differences between Pa. German & Hochdeutsch. Pa. Germans use springe(n) to mean run and laufe(n) to mean walk. I'm not sure which word is used to mean 'jump'.
mkmm60 swiss-german to jump (springen) is gumpe, swabian is jugga or hobbfa/hubbfa Swiss-german to run (rennen) seckle or cheibe, swabian is renna or fuaßla. ;)
First, his analogy using Jesus and his 40 day fast as a type of child dabbling in a world of sin is way off base. Jesus did not sin. He did experience temptation grater than any man has ever experienced, yet did not sin.
Thomas Kossatz - you really dont think Jesus existed? I didnt think there was anyone who thought that. Even people who dont believe he was who he claimed to be, at least recognize him as a historical figure. Whats your argument that he didnt exist?
Untactical Ant - Please, I don't think this man said anything bad about Jesus from Nazareth, let alone about Jesus Christ. He did not compare Jesus Christ to a beer drinking Amish young man. This man compared a choice for faith (in Jesus Christ), to commit oneself to the church, to the 40 days Jesus Christ spent alone in the dessert. One might call the Rumspringa an analogy to the time in the dessert cave. A beautiful thing of this analogy is water: essential for surviving the dessert. And most Amish will eventually choose for the water, for faith, after Rumspringa. Let's hope they live their life "De imitatione Christi."
Interestingly, from what you have talked about this decision (especially the time period the young amish have to make it), this could be coming from the christian sacrament of confirmation (in german called "Firmung" and is not done in the lutheranian church). The idea is literally the same. Whereas neither at the time of bapthism nor at the time of communion/sacrament (the translation program gives two opportunities, not shure which one are correct) you are taking that decition on your own. So with this firmung you finally accept the membership to the church on your own free will. One fun fact next to it: In contrast to the Rumspringa (direct translation of "rumspringer/herumspringer" would be something like a person jumping around btw) you have to take classes offered by the church community to be allowed to make your firmung. So instead of letting you experience the "outer world" of society, here the idea is more about showing the "inner world" of the church. Nothing to complain about any of those ways, just found it funny. And thanks for you video, it is interesting to see how much of german traditions still have survived the great big sea as well as the time... :)
Nein, damit hat es nichts zu tun. Die Kindstaufe ist nur nach Auffassung der beiden Volkskirchen gültig. Anders als im Video dargestellt wird sie von vielen protestantischen Sekten abgelehnt, weil ihr keine willentliche Entscheidung zugrunde liegt. Entgegen Deiner Darstellung ist die Firmung nur in der katholischen Kirche ein Sakrament. Die Bekenntnisschriften der evangelisch-lutherischen Kirche weisen darauf hin, dass die Firmung und die Krankensalbung keine Sakramente sein sollen, da sie weder Gottes Befehl noch sein Gebot hätten.Die evangelisch-reformierten Kirchen kennen die zwei Sakramente der Taufe und des Abendmahls. Auch viele evangelische Freikirchen lehnen die Auffassung des Sakraments als heilswirksames Zeichen ab. Sakramente werden stattdessen analog zur evangelisch-reformierten Tradition bei Ulrich Zwingli als Zeichen ohne sakramentale Bedeutung verstanden. Anders ausgedrückt: Such Dir was aus. Glaube ist völlig beliebig.
Deshalb hatte ich den Halbsatz mit der lutherischen Kirche dazugeschrieben. Dachte das wäre damit eigentlich klar, aber vielleicht hätte ich anstatt "christian" tatsächlich "roman catholic" schreiben sollen... Was die ganzen Klein- und Kleinstkirchen (Freikirchen, Evangelikale, etc. pp) da machen ist zusätzlich nochmal ein komplett anderes Feld, aber da macht ja jeder sein eigenes Spielchen. Aber die Übereinstimmungen zwischen den Ritualen der Amtskirchen und dem hier geschilderten sind mMn dennoch fastzinierend.
Ja, es war "christian" über das ich stolperte. Klein- und Kleinstkirchen mögen das in Deutschland sein, aber die ganzen evangelikalen Splittergruppen sind extrem einflussreich in den USA. Übereinstimmungen? Wenn man bedenkt, dass die Amishe ausgewandere Deutsche sind, dann haben sie sich gewaltig von ihrem Herkunftsland entfremdet.
Kai Pfannebecker Hmmm, when you talk about Lutheran church do mean/include the 'regular' Evangelische Landeskirchen in Germany? If that is the case your comment about not having a confirmation at age 16 is wrong. Konfirmation is a big and important event for protestant kids on their way to adulthood. By taking part in it, you declare to be a firm believer (hence Kon*firm*ation) and your will to be a member of the community of Christians.
Kai Pfannenbecker: In every family sons and daughters of this age start to explore the world, they do not need a religion for that. The religious part is to throw them out of the family and excommunicate them if they do not return. They call it Rumspringa, I call it blackmail and psychological violence against their own children.
ok, they jump into the logos continuum, into the total failure continuum, into the incomprehensibility continuum. But the best way is in the incomprehensibility continuum to harvest the ignorant. To be able to do this arbitrarily and unnecessarily. And not to be constantly surrounded by understanding. Through the soul harvesting the feedback to God is much more effective.
I don't wanna be harsh but it would be better if people do some research of themselves, this may be a hard comment, Kelley, but most of his opinions are really subjectively... For example rumspringa has nothing to do with getting married or not but with their religion itself. You have the choice to stay with the community or leave them forever! It makes me wonder where he got his information from because I never heard it from the Amish people themselves.
I’ve read like 10 of your comments now and have been too frustrated to answer any of them because I just don’t understand how you’re interpreting my videos the way you are. We didn’t say that rumspringa had anything to do with marriage. He specifically said it’s a rite of passage for the religion. How did you come up with your interpretation? This has confirmed to me that your other comments are not valid.
Yes, There are a few around here, I know of 2 older guys and one lady in here 20's that turned amish, Are you interested in amish ? Did you ever have a buggy ride ?
Well "rumspringa" means - "literally" in german - "to jump around" = th-cam.com/video/MdxCfAb-ROM/w-d-xo.html ..Well, this link is obviously a joke...but nevertheless that´s exactly what "rumspringa" means in german...and "to literally jump around" (that´s the only way we use this term) is of course a totally senseless activity in a german mindset..meaning = "To jump around? For What?? and Why???" So you can imagine that it is a bit funny for "german ears" to use this term "rumspringa" in that context like the PD does where a young human being has to make a decision for life...although I can also imagine that some very religous traditional PDs maybe think that this what is called "rumspringa" is maybe "senseless" as well..like "Rumspringa? Leave For What?? and Why??? Only God and family is the sense of life" or something in that sense..which would also explain for me as a german native speaker why "this sort of leaving" is called "rumspringa" refering to the original german mindset.. ..because I have to say if someone with a - german mindset - choose the expression "rumspringa" for a similar "kind of activity" then he just tolerates this "activity" but is obviously not very pleased about this particular "activity"... in no way and not at all... There is just one case where "rumspringa" has a positive mindset in german..by seeing kids jumping around while they are playing ....but not inside the house, or flat = too many egdes = too dangerous for getting hurt or to break some stuff..The cassical german parential phrase telling their kids "Draußen könnt ihr rumspringen aber nicht herinnen" (I´m from Vienna and I say "herinnen" which is close to the english "in here" just vice versa.... in Germany they would proberbly say it a bit different) = "You can jump around outside but not in here" is heard by kids from their parents for having some minutes of silence and to take a deep breath to avoid exploding ..on a daily basis in the whole german speaking area of Europe...
It only happens in very few Amish communities! People don’t ever mention that! Fact they do not do that here in NYS! One of my close friends is a Baptist Pastor n speaks to the Amish all the time and when he speaks scriptures to them they have no idea what he is talking about and even the Bishops. They don’t speak or even know German and their Bibles are all in German, explain that lol
music btw : there was a type of lute, that was more praisen holy in the german christianity than the harp, but noone actually knows anymore how to rebuild it.. ! prtecting&subsidize simple old craft jobs is relevant to protect the culture :-)
She may have never seen it spelled, which is why she may be having trouble. To a non-PA Dutch speaker, words that end with "a" and "er" can sound the same. Much love to Doug, but almost every time a word begins with "th" he pronounces with a "d" sound and I don't see you picking on him. Because why? You accept him because he is like you.
Every book I have read says the Amish are baptized when they decide to join the church. Of course, as a Baptist that does not follow scripture, but is a man-made rule.
Okay Kelly now I'm more intrigued 😂 what happens if an Amish guy has a ONS n gets a girl pregnant. Or the other way around what happens if an Amish girl gets pregnant? But in the first case what does the law say about child support if the girl keeps the kid n they don't get married. I know this question is whacky but still I'm curious now hahaha
No, if you have a driver's license and a car, they turn you into a "Yoder Totter" and make you drive your new Amish in-laws where ever they want to go!
+Petra Meyer: In some (Southern) German dialects, "springen" does not mean to jump, but to run: "Ich musste springen, um den Bus zu erreichen" - "I had to run to catch the bus".
Heinz Kessler Sorry that´s a totally misunderstanding... At least in my "southern german" sense....the term "springen" like it is used in your example is just a - "idiom"- for saying "I´m in a very deep hurry" like for instance to say "Jetzt muß ich aber springen weil ich bin spät dran" ...explaining the mindset of this idiom = "springen" nevertheless means "springen" (and not "to run") just to explain how deep in the hurry you are right now.... meaning "running" is not enough effort to be in time so I have to jump!!..(In reality of course you are "running" when you are in a hurry - no doubt - but we are talking about using "idioms" right?... like for instance "Jemanden das Fell über die Ohren ziehen" ...nobody does this literally right? At least not today and if you are mentally healthy.... its just an - "idiom" - to say "to punch somebody" and in the south when you are in a real deep hurry you simply have "to jump" and that´s just the common used "idiom" for that state of scenario) and "rumspringen" or "herumspringen" simply means "herumtollen"(=to frolic around) and is usually done just by kids (or dogs) doing literally "jumping AND running" around with no noticeable and reasonable sense behind- because !!!it´s just playing!!! And maybe ...just maybe..the Amish see their "rumspringa" as a sort of a "playing"- life period by doing things which are normally not allowed to do in their community" as well before they got baptized... and maybe that´s why it´s called "rumspringa!
Hi Kelly, I have not left your channel :) But there could hardly be anything I am less interested in then the christian cult and this special flavour from previous centuries. I am sure better times are at the horizon. Looking forward for the real world in upcoming videos! Thomas PS: Not rumspinga is crazy, but the life before and after.
mike74em: Is believe now mandatory ? Please: Do not use the word "knowledge" for a believe system that is not evidence based. I have met Amish in real life, and I disagree with their lifestyle. Most important: I am not interested in them. Nothing I can learn from them. Thanks, but: No, thanks.
Knowing about peoples belief in no way implies that it is mandatory to believe. Even contempling such a stupid implication shows more about your close mindedness than anything else (and to make it clear I'm an atheist).
galier2 Sorry, but you seem to repeat the mistake of the first poster, only with less friendly words. You believe (!) I do not know enough of the Amish? How can you know? I have no interest in them, because I know more than enough of this sect.
Hi Thomas! Surprise to meet you here. Next sequel will be about Pennsylvania Dutch; interesting for me because I live near the Palatinate - for you northerner that might be sort of a challenge.
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Perhaps what happens in Rumspringa stays in Rumspringa.
Hahahahaha that’s a good one!
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Orgies?
I've watched these interviews and I'm impressed. You should do more interviews, you're very good at it. I like your travel vlogs also.
Aw thanks Sue!! I really want to do more interviews...I just need to find some willing subjects :)
There are several Amish communities near us. We have many Amish friends. Each community does things a little bit differently. Most of them around us don't shun their family members that choose not to join the church. The individual does have to leave the Amish community, but they can go back and visit family and friends. Some elders won't eat at the same table with them, but that's really the only thing. I do find it interesting that they all have slightly different ways of doing traditional things. There are many minnonite communities here, all very different from each other.
Where I live you can't go 10 feet without seeing a Mennonite. They are everywhere around here
I was raised in a similar background although not Amish. I left my childhood church when I was grown, married with young kids. I was shunned by practically everyone I was raised with once I left. I never left my faith in God at that time but had to leave the “ legalistic” non biblical approach to life that this ancient religion practiced. It was very difficult for me to lose everyone I knew as that was my life and friends. But in the end, I realized a good friend was more cherished than someone that would shun me just because they were told to. I now see that most of the people in that church were following more of a cult like idealization than a true spirit filled walk with the Lord. Thanks for the interesting video.
Wow what a powerful story. Thank you so much for sharing this with me and I wish you all the best in your journey. Your perspective must be so fascinating
I have the same story!
What’s the name of your community?
Let me guess...Jehovah witness?
Wow amen! How is your faith now? I'm guessing you are born again?
It sounds that RUMSPRINGA is the Amish version of SPRING BREAK.
They get drunk and have orgies?
@@alwaysopen7970 Sounds about right
Haha no
This idea is good. It gives kids a choice. Take it from me (Christian, DIA attorney contractor, Father of 2 little girls). I was never really given a choice to explore the outside world. Always, and forever will be wrong. If I had a chance at 16, I would have never followed the road I did. Long story short, while I can't relate personally to the Amish, I respect the tradition. The real world/work world, is beyond horrific. If I was ever given an "option" to explore the outside world, I would have changed everything. But, now, it's too late for me.
Not all Amish groups have Rumspringa I lived in Wisconsin in a Amish area and they don't have this as part of there culture.
WildRemedies1 of course not, that’s so they can keep raping their daughters and sisters. Glad my ancestors left cuz I know I would have.
Wait, so what year did the Rumspringa tradition originate?
In what Amish community did you live in ? because I know a lot of the communities and I don't know of any that don't have the Rumspringa although the youth might not dress in English cloth they still have a time that they do not obey the rules of the church.
From what I understand, more male Amish kids change into “English” clothing on Rumspringer. That’s not to say that females don’t try it, but they often can’t adjust to it as well as males do, probably due to the fact that males still wear pants in the “English” world, whereas females find themselves facing a total turnaround from their known clothing (such as women “outside” wearing pants or short skirts, etc).
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Another very enlightening video Kelly! Thanks to you and Doug for sharing your knowledge of a very misunderstood group of people. I have a couple of questions, while you explained in the video that of all the Amish youth that go out and experience the outside world during Rumspringa, very few choose to remain in the English world in the end. My question is, of all the non-Amish people that are exposed to the Amish way of life these days, how common is it for a non-Amish person to become part of the Amish community and are the Amish accepting of new members from the outside? A point that I'd like to make also is that it is a real shame that the Amish are learning our societies worst behaviors, while it would be so beneficial for our society to learn so many good things from the Amish. Being part of a good, supportive community is something that Americans generally don't experience unless there's been a tragedy. The Amish rely on their close community every day.
way she says RRRumspringa, without trilling the R at the beginning and adding an R (where there is none) at the end, was enough to force me to have to record my own PROPERLY said version into my iPhone LoL (argh).
Leaving the Amish a lot of times does not mean leaving your family. My dad and mom were both Amish and my siblings and I always or at least when we aren’t busy go to ice dream suppers and always attend Christmas. I’ve been invited to a lot of Amish weddings as well and I’m not Amish.
*ice cream suppers
Great video👍 So good that I pressed like even tho my ears cried each time you said "rumspringer"
I think that's what we call it "to kick off the horns" ("sich die Hörner abstoßen") .. Maybe in a "light" or "soft" version. After that, one also decides whether one marries and becomes "sedentary" or continues to "wild" through the world and does what he wants. *hehe*
Not all Amish communities shun family members who choose not to fully join the Amish church. They are much more likely to shun if a person joined the church then leaves it. Some Amish Communities will still talk to, eat with, ect people who chose not to join the church. I have even seen some here who let their family member park a car on the home property. Most young Amish in the communities I live close to or that my dad grew up in did change to their English clothes when they were out on weekends but always changed back to Amish clothes before going back home.
Same with the Amish communities around here. Most that choose to leave the community still have contact with their families. They don't live in the community, but they still can go back and see family, friends, ect... They are not shunned.
I thought this was very well explained...i live in Ohio near Holmes County and you said something about Amish Mafia. My family and I personally know Little Wayne (one of the actors) and what people dont understand is that the people who are on these shows normally dont belong to a Amish community anymore. Little Wayne left his community when he was 17. The Holmes County cast and the Pennsylvania cast never actually talked or met each other.
I will say somethings on that show are true, on the show Wayne and Merlin hated each other...in real life they don't like each other also. And Little Wayne is actually a lumberjack. But almost everything else was completely fake.
Amish Mafia ended because the directors wanted to do sex scenes and illegal stuff and everyone broke their contracts.
I am at 6:41, and just need to stop. What is not being made clear is that not all Amish have Rumpringa-In fact, a lot do not. I know it is more popular in Pennsylvania, but I have heard that the Amish near me really don’t do Rumspringa. Also, it is not being made clear in this video that (it was in the previous one) that each little group of Amish is different in terms of their rules. I am in Northern Illinois, and I know some of the Amish near me in Indiana are a little more lenient. Yet just north of me in Wisconsin there are groups of Swartzentruber Amish, who are so strict they use outhouses and who consider Old Order Amish to be way too soft! I just have to say that I also think people get super hung up on this lack of electricity in Old Order Amish houses. They use alternatives and honestly I don’t think it is all that bad. They have appliances such as refrigerators and stoves,but the difference is they run on propane. They have washing machines that run on a generator, and I have seen solar panels on several roofs. I think being off grid is a lot more comfortable now than it used to be.
Mary Anne Brown .. Yes, they live "off the grid" just like homesteaders. My understanding is every community has slightly different rules, but they do use "English" neighbors to drive them places in emergencies. They also can take buses. I see them at rest stops along the Pennsylvania turnpike.
How do the Amish acquire official Identification? When they're born are they issued a birth certificate?
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Amish people do not have birth certificates or social security cards. ... When an Amish member chooses to leave their Amish community and live in the modern world, individuals are met with a great challenge since they have no proof of citizenship, no way to get a legal job or a driver's license.
@@MyNamesMonkie they also dont go to jail like us
@@metropcs4265 Yes they do. There's a case of all these Amish going to jail for a beard and hair attack on other members.
Very good questions
Metro Pcs Eli Stutzman, Samuel Borntreger, Edward Gingerich. Three easily researchable examples of Amish men imprisoned for murder. With your logic they would’ve been able to massacre their whole community with no consequences.
A couple of questions: 1. It may have been made clear in the video and I missed it, but once a person decides to leave the faith, are they never allowed to see their family again? 2. On the Rumspringa, are they allowed to be promiscuous? Or are they still saving themselves for marriage?
From what I've gathered the individuals who choose to leave are shunned by the whole community. There's no actual rule against them visiting their family, however the combination of pressure from the other parishioners and their own often very deep and lasting disappointment in their child's decision can make returning home for the holidays an even less appealing prospect than it is for the rest of us.
@@evam.3023 from my family’s personal experience, we did not get shunned. They still invite us back to family get togethers and other events even though we live in Texas now. Like many people who have left the Amish faith they do not also need to leave their family. But again that’s just our experience I’m sure there’s many other experience where people have been shunned from their families.
This video blew me away! I didn't know this community at all, and this lifestyle and I find it pretty amazing. I find it difficult to understand how these traditions have survived and these people manage to stay out of all the century’s modernity by living in a developed country like the United States. As a teenager I also find it hard to imagine that young people want to stay in this community especially when we heard that 95% choose to perpetuate the community. I find this “experimentation time” is such a great idea, the teen can discover and taste a basic life and make their own decision. But I think this is difficult at this age to abandon once family for ever. If I was born as an Amish girl, I don’t know myself which way I will choose.
Amish do not share many experiences from their years of RumSpringga with their children , Also Doug is speaking of Pennsylvania Amish. There are many other Amish who aren’t allowed to have that experience. Only about 5% leave when in their teens
Fascinatingly! Thank you both for this very interesting video. :)
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic interview
This is a really good interview.
Questions: Do the Amish believe in a Pre/Mid/ or Post trib rapture? Do they believe in salvation through water baptism/Spiritual baptism/both? As others here have asked, what happens if a girl loses her virginity during Rumspringa? Is she supported or shunned should she want to stay within the community?
I used to live near the W.PA amish and found them to be very friendly and sociable if you approached them gently...esp in the shops. I had a friend who got a flat tire out in the middle of nowhere. She blew and blew her car horn (back in the day of no cell phones). An amish couple heard her and came to her rescue. They took her to a garage in their buggy and she was able to get the help that she needed. On the other hand, I lost a friend in an accident because of an Amish buggy in the road....but to be honest (and there is no way to prove it), I think that her boyfriend was speeding and came up on the buggy, veered left and hit the oncoming car. No survivors. One of the saddest days of our lives. She was 17. The other car was a family of 4. It was so sad. Apparently, the buggy was fully on the road. Thank God that they weren't hit...a miracle. I have always loved and have been intrigued by the Amish. They are the most gently people and always helpful. The TV shows do not portray the Amish people whom I have had the pleasure to meet.
I’m Amish myself age 15 preparing myself for rumspringa. Very very true. I appreciate your videos there are so many rumorous videos on TH-cam right now
Whether or not you remain in the Amish church, the most important things you can do are 1) repent toward God (admit you're a sinner who can't save himself); believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; and the call on Him to grant you the free gift of eternal salvation. After that, produce good works out of graditude because you ARE saved, and NOT to hold onto your own salvation. That't impossible. It's Jesus's job. After becoming a new in Christ, you will be His bondservant for life.
Shunning is done very different in different areas and districts.In some districts they will shun anyone who leaves the Amish community. In my area they only shun the person if she or he has already been baptized into the church
Rumspringa is Swiss and means herumspringen/herumrennen in German, jumping or running around.
Paul Bislin Rumspringa is actually Allemanic German where Swiss German is only a part of it. Greetings from a Swabian speaker.
ArmAd Spengler yes, I knew it, but I didn‘t think as far. Greetings from a Swiss German with Swabian/Bavarian roots. And somehow I like Pennsylvania. Interesting video!
Paul Bislin Scho recht! Grüsse zurück. ;-)
ArmAd Spengler Danka! Grüass noch Schwaba!
IMHO, springen is gumpe in contemporary Swiss German
It's the shortened form of herum(springen). To jump around.
South German springa = running (around). There it doesn't mean jumping. That's Northern use of Standard German.
There was a group called "The Electric Amish" which was supposed to have been comprised of people who didn't rejoin the flock.
Look up their song Secret Amish Man. It’s posted on TH-cam.
Very interesting video again. I'm really curious for the next video and what's the point behind the dutch language(Pennsylvania Dutch). Thanks for the video. :)
Very interesting! I enjoyed the video very much!
Thanks!!
Definitely enjoy these type of videos !
Thanks!
It seems to that most parents raise their kids to not only to go out into the world but to be able to succeed. But from what I’ve seen the Amish repeatedly tell their kids that they can’t succeed without them and the community.
True or false???
Yes, Rumspringa is a form of indoctrination, or even abuse. It is not a 'choice' to stay in the church or not because they lack the necessary agency to make a reasoned decision, as they as essentially naive children. The goal is to make them dependent on the cult, and instill hatred the outside world.
Some sources are saying that more than 80 % of Amish people join the church after Rumspringa, and others goes up to 90 %.
In other words, up to 20 % loose their parents because a cult is more important to them than theiur own children. Frightening what religion does to previously sane people.
Should they have a second runspringer lets say between the agers of 28-30
Or every decade
who don't like Rump in the spring ?!
Do Amish learn higher math and science at High School - if they attend one at all.
What is the drop out rate after the rumspringa-time, how many Amish (in percentage) leave the community for good (and how many regret that decision and (try to) go back?
Is there a discussion within the Amish community, if it is still reasonable to forbid modern technology?
PS: springen means jump in German, not run. Like: jump at an idea.
bluerisk i would like to know the answer to your questions as well.
There is no "Amish Mafia" but there is a "Mennonite Mob". I lived in Lancaster for a decade and learned this first-hand !
''rumspringen (german) = jump around like crazy / silly jumping / joyful jumping. boing boing boing.
Swedish share a lot of words with the Dutch language and here rumspringa is two words, rum meaning 'room' and springa meaning 'running'.
So it would be room running (or running between rooms). I'm prey sure a lot of next generation amish people was conceived during that running between rooms historically and that's how it got its name...
Is it really freedom of religion if you are forced to join the church, if you do not want to leave your family? Shouldn't a religion try and convince people instead of putting pressure on them?
For the parents, yes. For the children: No. But that's how they get new members.
warumbraucheichfü..(man, that's way too long): that's "freedom within the religion" as in almost every religion. Freedom of religion just means that you are free to have one - or none.
Peter Meyer: You are not free to have no (or another) religion if you under the threat of being disowned by your family. warumbraucht.... perfectly got it right.
Absolutely. Forcing kidz into a believe system is nothing unheard of in many cults, but the Amish have taken this to another level. Freedom of religion ends where physical and mental abuse starts. Forcing members not to vote is anti democratic.
Good; you weren't kidding, there's more. We're going to be able to learn more about this really interesting topic. Thanks.
Kelly, I'm not completely sure, but I think you're pronouncing the "silent" R at the end of Rumspringa.
Yep there’s at least one more :) and yeah when I was editing this I was dying inside wondering why I kept pronouncing the word wrong especially right after Doug said it. Oh well...
Maybe you were thinking of Rum Springer, Jerry Springer's drunken brother.
8:40 "maybe it'll become more liberal and progressive". I sure hope not. That would be devastating, even for me as an outside observer.
I liked this explanation of 'Rumspringa', it is much better than the idea that young Amish go crazy.
I agree!!
Hi there!!! I have a question! Do the teenagers who participate in Rumspringa only participate with each other in the outside world? As in a group of “rumspringas”...? My understanding was that they go by themselves into into the outside world! I’m just curious! I really enjoyed this video!!!!
This is not to true how tv says it is. Parents allow them to interact with outsiders and experience it. But they don't go out and party like tv shows. A child who has grown up usually is very shy to the new things outside. And by the time they get they usually experience technology mostly.. yet it's overwhelming for them.. usually they don't feel comfortable conforming to the lifestyle. It's like if Americans went and tried to live like a tribe in Africa or in the rainforest in Brazil... it's a totally different world for them.. it's interesting at first but living it fully is hard since they are not used to it.
Kelly so much to see and experience in America, some still live in dirt floored huts.
If you speak Palatinate and English you'll understand Amish and pensilvanian Dutch perfectly! Palatinate is an Southwestgerman dialect!
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Good information!
My opinion on baptism as from one reading the Bible and still learning how the Jews would have seen this happening at the time:
Second baptism can't possibly harm: a baptism was common in the Jewish faith, it was called a mikvah. A bath in fresh water to purify oneself before doing things one must be purified for. It's not what saves a person. Excepting Jesus is what saves a person. Baptism is what should follow once one IS saved. I haven't read anything in biblical text supporting an infant baptism. Thinking of it, I fear it may play against the child's desire to even seek out Jesus in a personal relationship. Jews did quiet the opposite, they baptized everytime they became unclean, always being aware of the need to seek the Lord. Now being saved by Jesus Christ we don't have to be baptized multiple times. And as gentiles, we are reconciled and get the opportunity for baptism/purification.
Having said this now I wonder if Jesus sending the blind man to the pool was viewed as a Mikvah?.
Can you tell me what the name of the Amish Facebook page that you mentioned in this video is called? You said it was a group of people who used to be Amish and who left the Amish that are a part of this Facebook page.
The drop on the bag is digital!!!!
I was gonna say yup that looks like good ole PA
In Dutch we have the word `rondhuppelen` that expresses something of an euphoric excitement where it is impossible for the person experiencing it to sit still. The word is a contraction of `rond` which means around and `huppelen` which may either refer to a joyful energetic type of walk (to have a spring in your step) or a child play thing where you do twice left, twice right - think of the Irish line dance but then moving forward while doing it. The English phrase that approaches this word the most is in fact `jumping around` but you could also say `running loose`. It seems to me that Doug's translation for rumspringa is something of a mix between these two and is thus not completely accurate.
Thanks for these videos. It seems I am finding several clues to ancestory in that area. . .and I mean like 2nd and 3rd degree relatives... especially among Miller's, King's, and Yoder's. My Grandmother would never talk about her childhood and I discovered that my biological Grandfather was from the area as well. Do you guys know if amish chose to leave or if there is a shunning...would they change their surnames? The surnames they have do not match my "bloodline". Trying to wrap my head around all of this with no one alive to get answers from. If you have heard or know of this happening please let me know. Thank you.
I do not know but if I find out I will let you know!
I grew up as an Amish and did not leave till I was in my 40's and I never have heard of an Amish changing there surname but not saying it could not happen. I know of situations where someone leaves they get treated really badly that they do not want anything to do with there family or friends that were still in the religion and do not want the Amish to find them.
@@Kellydoesherthing I was Amish till I was in my 40's and only left the Amish a couple of years ago. A good video to watch on the Amish is ( Breaking the silence -- My Amish story ) this one is the most accurate story on the Amish that I know of most of the stuff that you see has a lot of untrue stuff in it to Juice the story up. The makers of the Breaking the silence grew up Amish and I know them personally .
@@leemohelms7083 I will check it out! Thanks for sharing your story :)
An overview of germanic dialects you can find here from 5min. on:
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Me personally, I would say herumspringen means being busy working a lot for other persons. A dog i.e. "springt bei Fuß" if he is called and waiting for orders. A Springer can be someone who can replace others temporarily or switching Jobs very often. Springen does not refer to running but to jumping or getting commanded around. Maybe "Herumspringen" was a reason to emigrate, if you cannot establish your Life in a monarchy?
Rum means around
Springa means
To run
@@calebzimmerman2309 Not in German. Also, if you look at the game Chess, the horses are called "Springer" in German. They can jump over barriers. "Drum herum" or short "rum" means 'round sth, yes.
@@MrJanml interesting. English is my second language; Pennsylvania Dutch being my first. What you are saying is probably true in German, but does the phrase come from German originally? We would say choomp (the "oo" sounding like in "foot") for jump (or choompa for "to jump"). When we say shpring, we mean run. When we translate rumshpringa into English, we always say "running around" as in referring to the time a youth is part of the youth group from age 16 until marriage. But this may have become mis-translated over the years also.
@@calebzimmerman2309 And what do you mean by running around? Because nobody does it except animals in their hunting area or an olymionic professional athlete? Why do you have such an expression?
At what age does one go on their rumspringa?
5 years old
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rumspringen doesn't mean run around, "springen" is to jump, to run would be "laufen".
This is one of the differences between Pa. German & Hochdeutsch. Pa. Germans use springe(n) to mean run and laufe(n) to mean walk. I'm not sure which word is used to mean 'jump'.
Ah, I see. Then it's something called a "false friend", I think.
Rumspringen means to jump around, not to run around
Actually in the swabian or swiss dialect springen means also to run. To jump is hupfen, to go is laufen and gehen is not existent.
mkmm60 swiss-german to jump (springen) is gumpe, swabian is jugga or hobbfa/hubbfa
Swiss-german to run (rennen) seckle or cheibe, swabian is renna or fuaßla. ;)
First, his analogy using Jesus and his 40 day fast as a type of child dabbling in a world of sin is way off base. Jesus did not sin. He did experience temptation grater than any man has ever experienced, yet did not sin.
More likely, he did not exist at all.
Thomas Kossatz - you really dont think Jesus existed? I didnt think there was anyone who thought that. Even people who dont believe he was who he claimed to be, at least recognize him as a historical figure. Whats your argument that he didnt exist?
Untactical Ant - Please, I don't think this man said anything bad about Jesus from Nazareth, let alone about Jesus Christ. He did not compare Jesus Christ to a beer drinking Amish young man. This man compared a choice for faith (in Jesus Christ), to commit oneself to the church, to the 40 days Jesus Christ spent alone in the dessert. One might call the Rumspringa an analogy to the time in the dessert cave. A beautiful thing of this analogy is water: essential for surviving the dessert. And most Amish will eventually choose for the water, for faith, after Rumspringa. Let's hope they live their life "De imitatione Christi."
Interestingly, from what you have talked about this decision (especially the time period the young amish have to make it), this could be coming from the christian sacrament of confirmation (in german called "Firmung" and is not done in the lutheranian church). The idea is literally the same. Whereas neither at the time of bapthism nor at the time of communion/sacrament (the translation program gives two opportunities, not shure which one are correct) you are taking that decition on your own. So with this firmung you finally accept the membership to the church on your own free will.
One fun fact next to it: In contrast to the Rumspringa (direct translation of "rumspringer/herumspringer" would be something like a person jumping around btw) you have to take classes offered by the church community to be allowed to make your firmung. So instead of letting you experience the "outer world" of society, here the idea is more about showing the "inner world" of the church.
Nothing to complain about any of those ways, just found it funny. And thanks for you video, it is interesting to see how much of german traditions still have survived the great big sea as well as the time... :)
Nein, damit hat es nichts zu tun. Die Kindstaufe ist nur nach Auffassung der beiden Volkskirchen gültig. Anders als im Video dargestellt wird sie von vielen protestantischen Sekten abgelehnt, weil ihr keine willentliche Entscheidung zugrunde liegt. Entgegen Deiner Darstellung ist die Firmung nur in der katholischen Kirche ein Sakrament. Die Bekenntnisschriften der evangelisch-lutherischen Kirche weisen darauf hin, dass die Firmung und die Krankensalbung keine Sakramente sein sollen, da sie weder Gottes Befehl noch sein Gebot hätten.Die evangelisch-reformierten Kirchen kennen die zwei Sakramente der Taufe und des Abendmahls. Auch viele evangelische Freikirchen lehnen die Auffassung des Sakraments als heilswirksames Zeichen ab. Sakramente werden stattdessen analog zur evangelisch-reformierten Tradition bei Ulrich Zwingli als Zeichen ohne sakramentale Bedeutung verstanden.
Anders ausgedrückt: Such Dir was aus. Glaube ist völlig beliebig.
Deshalb hatte ich den Halbsatz mit der lutherischen Kirche dazugeschrieben. Dachte das wäre damit eigentlich klar, aber vielleicht hätte ich anstatt "christian" tatsächlich "roman catholic" schreiben sollen...
Was die ganzen Klein- und Kleinstkirchen (Freikirchen, Evangelikale, etc. pp) da machen ist zusätzlich nochmal ein komplett anderes Feld, aber da macht ja jeder sein eigenes Spielchen. Aber die Übereinstimmungen zwischen den Ritualen der Amtskirchen und dem hier geschilderten sind mMn dennoch fastzinierend.
Ja, es war "christian" über das ich stolperte. Klein- und Kleinstkirchen mögen das in Deutschland sein, aber die ganzen evangelikalen Splittergruppen sind extrem einflussreich in den USA. Übereinstimmungen? Wenn man bedenkt, dass die Amishe ausgewandere Deutsche sind, dann haben sie sich gewaltig von ihrem Herkunftsland entfremdet.
Kai Pfannebecker Hmmm, when you talk about Lutheran church do mean/include the 'regular' Evangelische Landeskirchen in Germany? If that is the case your comment about not having a confirmation at age 16 is wrong. Konfirmation is a big and important event for protestant kids on their way to adulthood. By taking part in it, you declare to be a firm believer (hence Kon*firm*ation) and your will to be a member of the community of Christians.
Kai Pfannenbecker: In every family sons and daughters of this age start to explore the world, they do not need a religion for that. The religious part is to throw them out of the family and excommunicate them if they do not return. They call it Rumspringa, I call it blackmail and psychological violence against their own children.
For more information please check out: www.etown.edu/centers/young-center/
I love your talks Doug. I hope that one day I will meet you in person to have a lovely conversation.
Doug is a really smart guy and very easy to talk to :)
Why not just describe Rumspringa as the red pill vs. blue pill moment for Amish youth? Also,
'ana' is a Greek, not Latin prefix.
ok, they jump into the logos continuum, into the total failure continuum, into the incomprehensibility continuum.
But the best way is in the incomprehensibility continuum to harvest the ignorant. To be able to do this arbitrarily and unnecessarily. And not to be constantly surrounded by understanding. Through the soul harvesting the feedback to God is much more effective.
Don't compare Rumspringa to Jesus going out into the desert totally different
Hey, Kelly. It’s me, Trainboy353.
I don't wanna be harsh but it would be better if people do some research of themselves, this may be a hard comment, Kelley, but most of his opinions are really subjectively... For example rumspringa has nothing to do with getting married or not but with their religion itself. You have the choice to stay with the community or leave them forever! It makes me wonder where he got his information from because I never heard it from the Amish people themselves.
I’ve read like 10 of your comments now and have been too frustrated to answer any of them because I just don’t understand how you’re interpreting my videos the way you are. We didn’t say that rumspringa had anything to do with marriage. He specifically said it’s a rite of passage for the religion. How did you come up with your interpretation? This has confirmed to me that your other comments are not valid.
Then I didn't understand that correctly, I don't know the time you were talking about that but in this context came something up with marriage, sorry.
moony0205 it’s all good
Question-
Does your friend know of any English joining within the amish?
Hi Marie, Where are you from ? do you know any amish ?
Tmillman78-- i am from Michigan, but ive lived and visit lancaster, pa often family lives there.. Yes i do know a few Amish here in Mi.
I am amish. ;)
That is awesome!! Do you know of any English-turned Amish??
Yes, There are a few around here, I know of 2 older guys and one lady in here 20's that turned amish, Are you interested in amish ? Did you ever have a buggy ride ?
I wish I would have been born to Amish parents.
Well "rumspringa" means - "literally" in german - "to jump around" = th-cam.com/video/MdxCfAb-ROM/w-d-xo.html ..Well, this link is obviously a joke...but nevertheless that´s exactly what "rumspringa" means in german...and "to literally jump around" (that´s the only way we use this term) is of course a totally senseless activity in a german mindset..meaning = "To jump around? For What?? and Why???"
So you can imagine that it is a bit funny for "german ears" to use this term "rumspringa" in that context like the PD does where a young human being has to make a decision for life...although I can also imagine that some very religous traditional PDs maybe think that this what is called "rumspringa" is maybe "senseless" as well..like "Rumspringa? Leave For What?? and Why??? Only God and family is the sense of life" or something in that sense..which would also explain for me as a german native speaker why "this sort of leaving" is called "rumspringa" refering to the original german mindset..
..because I have to say if someone with a - german mindset - choose the expression "rumspringa" for a similar "kind of activity" then he just tolerates this "activity" but is obviously not very pleased about this particular "activity"... in no way and not at all...
There is just one case where "rumspringa" has a positive mindset in german..by seeing kids jumping around while they are playing ....but not inside the house, or flat = too many egdes = too dangerous for getting hurt or to break some stuff..The cassical german parential phrase telling their kids "Draußen könnt ihr rumspringen aber nicht herinnen" (I´m from Vienna and I say "herinnen" which is close to the english "in here" just vice versa.... in Germany they would proberbly say it a bit different) = "You can jump around outside but not in here" is heard by kids from their parents for having some minutes of silence and to take a deep breath to avoid exploding ..on a daily basis in the whole german speaking area of Europe...
It only happens in very few Amish communities! People don’t ever mention that! Fact they do not do that here in NYS! One of my close friends is a Baptist Pastor n speaks to the Amish all the time and when he speaks scriptures to them they have no idea what he is talking about and even the Bishops. They don’t speak or even know German and their Bibles are all in German, explain that lol
im not baptized so im still in the ´´ aroundjumper´´ phase ? xD
music btw : there was a type of lute, that was more praisen holy in the german christianity than the harp, but noone actually knows anymore how to rebuild it..
! prtecting&subsidize simple old craft jobs is relevant to protect the culture :-)
I know the Amish have very-high birth rates but what about the Mennonites?
Kelly, please pronounce 'rumspringa' like your friend pronounces it. He pronounces it correctly.
Yeah I noticed I said it wrong over and over...but it is what it is
She may have never seen it spelled, which is why she may be having trouble. To a non-PA Dutch speaker, words that end with "a" and "er" can sound the same. Much love to Doug, but almost every time a word begins with "th" he pronounces with a "d" sound and I don't see you picking on him. Because why? You accept him because he is like you.
Jerry rumspringa
*You mean: The TRUTH about the Amish Kangaroo ;)*
It this new? I never knew about it!
Isnt it called christening?
Every book I have read says the Amish are baptized when they decide to join the church. Of course, as a Baptist that does not follow scripture, but is a man-made rule.
Religion.
Why is it still legal?
I want to see them smoke their first joint.
Stop it. Get some help.
-Michael Jordan
You're creeping up on 10k....
I can’t believe I hit 10k!! Never thought I would be at this point
@@Kellydoesherthing 57k + now
Robert Blackburn it’s truly crazy to me!
Okay Kelly now I'm more intrigued 😂 what happens if an Amish guy has a ONS n gets a girl pregnant. Or the other way around what happens if an Amish girl gets pregnant? But in the first case what does the law say about child support if the girl keeps the kid n they don't get married. I know this question is whacky but still I'm curious now hahaha
Amish shotgun wedding?
Bob Johnson: Hm, is the "other one" then forced to become amish?
No, if you have a driver's license and a car, they turn you into a "Yoder Totter" and make you drive your new Amish in-laws where ever they want to go!
With a shotgun, too, i guess?
Wait, do they even have shotguns?
I have seen some Amish guys deer hunting with rifles in PA. So, I would think owning a shotgun would be kosher....
I've been rumspringering all my life, I want to become an Amish. Any chance???😉
Neat video.
Can you wash your clothes manually?
Hahahaha
@@OpenGL4ever God no!!! We have washing machines for that :)
I'm watching this nonsense with 3 amish right now.
Hier in Deutschland springen manche noch mit 50 darum :-)))))
Moses was in the desert. Not Jesus!
Yes he was. Different story man
Kelly is looking for zee bull
Catholicism has confirmation which serves exactly the same purpose, so it's not weird at all to call it a second baptism
But is it a free choice?
If you read the Holy Bible you would know you don't need babtizm of babies.
With all respect, it should be jumping around based on the German rumspringen or herumspringen.
+Petra Meyer: In some (Southern) German dialects, "springen" does not mean to jump, but to run: "Ich musste springen, um den Bus zu erreichen" - "I had to run to catch the bus".
Heinz Kessler Exactly.
Heinz Kessler
Sorry that´s a totally misunderstanding...
At least in my "southern german" sense....the term "springen" like it is used in your example is just a - "idiom"- for saying "I´m in a very deep hurry"
like for instance to say "Jetzt muß ich aber springen weil ich bin spät dran" ...explaining the mindset of this idiom = "springen" nevertheless means "springen" (and not "to run") just to explain how deep in the hurry you are right now.... meaning "running" is not enough effort to be in time so I have to jump!!..(In reality of course you are "running" when you are in a hurry - no doubt - but we are talking about using "idioms" right?... like for instance "Jemanden das Fell über die Ohren ziehen" ...nobody does this literally right? At least not today and if you are mentally healthy.... its just an - "idiom" - to say "to punch somebody" and in the south when you are in a real deep hurry you simply have "to jump" and that´s just the common used "idiom" for that state of scenario)
and "rumspringen" or "herumspringen" simply means "herumtollen"(=to frolic around) and is usually done just by kids (or dogs) doing literally "jumping AND running" around with no noticeable and reasonable sense behind- because !!!it´s just playing!!!
And maybe ...just maybe..the Amish see their "rumspringa" as a sort of a "playing"- life period by doing things which are normally not allowed to do in their community" as well before they got baptized... and maybe that´s why it´s called "rumspringa!
You are so full of crap I was raised Amish left the church and I still live at home with my family
Not all Amish are the same, it depends on the ordnung
And do your parents allow that language?
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i like watch her when she moves her hair aside.
i'm not sure how to respond to this hahaha
SERIOUSLY? YOU CAN'T LEARN TO PRONOUNCE THE WORD???
Hi Kelly, I have not left your channel :) But there could hardly be anything I am less interested in then the christian cult and this special flavour from previous centuries. I am sure better times are at the horizon. Looking forward for the real world in upcoming videos!
Thomas
PS: Not rumspinga is crazy, but the life before and after.
Thomas Kossatz Broaden your horizon a bit, a little bit of knowledge never hurt anyone.
mike74em: Is believe now mandatory ? Please: Do not use the word "knowledge" for a believe system that is not evidence based. I have met Amish in real life, and I disagree with their lifestyle. Most important: I am not interested in them. Nothing I can learn from them. Thanks, but: No, thanks.
Knowing about peoples belief in no way implies that it is mandatory to believe. Even contempling such a stupid implication shows more about your close mindedness than anything else (and to make it clear I'm an atheist).
galier2 Sorry, but you seem to repeat the mistake of the first poster, only with less friendly words. You believe (!) I do not know enough of the Amish? How can you know?
I have no interest in them, because I know more than enough of this sect.
Hi Thomas! Surprise to meet you here. Next sequel will be about Pennsylvania Dutch; interesting for me because I live near the Palatinate - for you northerner that might be sort of a challenge.