So, there was no "waste" going on at all. Just an ignorant citizen who didn't know what was going on, and instead of asking, tried to get someone in trouble. A citizen that no doubt, has never done a thing for their community.
448k is nothing to a fire dept. A brand new truck alone now cost around 800k and an actual station your talking about millions I'm proud of this man and fire dept. Hes doing a hell of a lot
Ryan Presgraves. that's for an all out custom rig. 100k will buy a nice truck and some gear. and then a station just needs to have a roof and doors. no need for millions. we did it
Is it just me, or did all the haters miss the part about not having enough trained persons? A minimum engine company needs at least 4 people trained in structural firefighting to fight a house fire. Kuddos to this chief. The biggest problem in the modern day volunteer fire service is lack of good help and being able to keep them.
bullshit volunteer firefighters get paid a bunch of money and yes they doa bunch of nothing but at wsome point they start fighting fires when needed even if its not that often but this station has never fought a fire not even once
I have been a volunteer serving as chief for most of 15 years. I have never received any check, money, or payments for what I do. When I was a hose dragger for our neighbouring municipal fire department, I made 8.50 a call for fuel reimbursement. Volunteer firefighters save the American tax payers over 350 BILLION A YEAR. So, Pookee, you need to be better informed before you keep throwing your B.S. flag.
Ok... I see a man that has brought together the resources and acquired the right equipment using those resources to provide a valuable service to his community... Great ! However, if he can not find the manpower (unpaid volunteers willing to train and work for nothing) to operate this department, then his hands are tied. There ARE laws regarding these things. I belong to a volunteer fire department myself. We can not dispatch a truck unless a minimum of two people (volunteers) answer their page and show up to the hall. That's a minimum of two people per rig, by law ! If the people aren't willing to volunteer, train and show up for the calls, then his hands are tied and he can't do anything... period ! This is a drastic problem that's beginning to plague America's small town rural fire departments. We just can NOT get people to step up and dedicate their time and efforts, regardless of whether they are offered pay or not.
I give the Chief lots of credit..You've got to start somewhere. Might have been better to get the Firefighters first, but in this case, it seemed better to get the grants while they were available.
I believe the volunteer chief. It takes allot to restart a station from all the damage. Looking at the budget its amazing what they have. I agree with ffjsb comment. It is very commendable of the volunteers to make a commitment to the community. The volunteers just need the public's understanding and support.
Get yo rear ends off the couch and go help these guys out .... Don't gripe if your pager ain't went off at 3am to respond to a house on fire ....after pulling eight or MORE hours on a job !
The chief is right. It takes more than just equipment and money. Volunteers are scarce these days. And at that $450k doesn't get you too far in the fire service. That other truck they have there looks like it'll need to be replaced soon. A brand new engine costs on average a minimum of $500k.
My thoughts exactly, and thats not even including the cost of bunker gear, hoses, nozzles, hand tools, hydraulics tools, scbas, truck maintenance costs, ropes, ladders, fuel costs, concentrated foam, exhaust fans, and medical gear.
nichijou_ cargo exactly. Takes a lot to run a fire department. And none of that could get done if there was no volunteers. People need to wake up and realize we're not all at the station waiting for calls. We're struggling to get trucks out for calls and we need help. If people realized what it takes they might step up to the plate and realize if they don't there won't be any fire protection
@@znovosad555 I do know what you mean. Our dept in northern WIs bought a rescue for $300,000 new. I have also been in on the planning of a new firehall . In the 1990's it cost over half a mil. So it is not a cheap endeavor. But I also know if you spend a little time searching there is some very nice pieces of equipment for good prices. I sold fire gear in 2000, to put a fire fighter in the field with gear ran $6-8000. I am sure it is close to $10000 today.
A good used fire engine (without equipment mind you) can be bought starting from 40k up. Fenton Fire has them all the time listed. If you are a volly company spending 600k on a single engine, that is a waste of resources.
In fact, I was bored sitting at the station yesterday and did some research online. I could build you an entire fire department from scratch, including a building, for $600,000 using used apparatus. This is an Engine, 2500 gallon Tanker, 2 brush trucks, Ambulance for rescue unit, and command unit. All equipment and supplies, PPE, and land/building. And money for training. Heck I was able to include a full hydraulic extrication tool set and rescue boat as well by simple research.
no that was for a tanker we all so have a engine, heavy rescue, 101 foot Ariel, two brush trucks, a boat ,a squad, a old tanker , a 40 ft special ops trailer,a 1947 engine ( our first engine), a suburban and your new engine will be here in 5 months and yes we are paid on call dept. we don't get paid to seat around and play on internet
James o... are you a "Volunteer" as you stated in your first comment ??? Or... Are you a "PAID ON CALL DEPT" like you state in you second comment ??? There IS a real big difference ! Get your story straight dude.
I agree you can buy a lot buying used apparatus, the problem is these Grants have strings attached like you have to buy new apparatus . I wrote or helped write graphs for Departments I ran with as a Firefighter. Federal FIREACT requires that if replacing an apparatus, the old piece has to scrapped. Can't be donated or used in anyway in fire service. Also Grants come with matching fund stipulations, usually around 10% at least, how many little fire agencies cant get a grant because lack of matching funds but could greatly benefit from a well cared for used apparatus? Most of the apparatus in this country is manned by Volunteers, but it is falling more and more every year because the time required is getting unmanageable and still provide for family. EMT was 130 hours, Paramedic was 1400 hours, Firefighter 1 130 hours, Ff2 80 Hazmat Ops 60, then having to recertify every 2 for paramedic. I loved every minute of it but I was spending more time Volunteering than my paid career. Every second of the training is needed and required to provide a professional top notch service to our community but few can make the decision to take on the challenges today.
What kind of Chinese stuff are YOU buying?? I want GOOD turnouts keeping my butt safe. Scott 4500's are running around 4.5-5K. Any decent new fire engine is going to be at least 250K, barely equipped. They spent 212K on just a tanker. That's half their money right there. And you have fill SCBA's somehow. Not to mention fuel, insurance, maintanance, testing, training, etc. That money goes faster than you think.
I know that 400K is alot of money but let's consider this, #1 trucks and equipment at that time an ideal 2012 KW truck for that vocation would probably run around upwards of 100K+ with just the truck and little equipment after leaving and outfitter shop, #2 the new building and new equipment, Decon and other gear costs extreme amounts of money and to upkeep is more expensive as well #3 Grants can only be used on what the grants are obtained for which could be for just obtaining equipment alone and not the specialty training for said equipment. #4 Vols don't get paid for their time and most put in money for their own departments. It's understandable for people to complain about not having a local fire department and it's rightfully so, I've read that on average in structure fire related deaths people died less than 6 feet away from their door and when something starts to burn you need trucks ASAP, however like this chief said it's hard to invest money into this type of agency without the proper funding.
I may not have the whole story here but as a volunteer firefighter if what the chief said is true then the media and people just don't understand a thing. Its getting harder to get volunteer firefighters all across the country and most people don't realize most fire departments are either all volunteer or partially volunteer with a few paid guys. In the state of Iowa as of now there are 13 paid full time fire departments. Thats in a whole state so think about it.
450K is NOTHING when it comes to starting a fire dept. It costs around 8K per Firefighter to outfit them with turnouts, helmet, boots, and SCBA. The bigger fire truck cost probababy 200-250K before all the hose and equipment, probably another 30K. Plus there's the smaller one that's probably used. And that's not even counting the station building, training, radios, etc.
A fire truck/engine can last indefinitely with proper maintenance. Vehicles from the early 20th century are still working as long as general maintenance is kept up. New ones are purchased mostly because the town leaders don't care about how your tax dollars are spent. They'll buy a $400,000 vehicle and sell it after 15-20 years for $5000 in perfect working condition.
Don't know where you get your info from but front line apparatus at busy fire depts get about 10 good years out of them before they go into reserve status. Also town leaders don't decide on purchasing apparatus, capitol improvement budgets do. Then apparatus are either sold by market value or donated to less funded depts.
I know of a County FD in Washington State that has three Volunteer Fire Depts plus two paid and the volunteer stations have trucks on station but NO Volunteers he made them redundant and covers them with his two paid stations but he gets money for the three volunteer ones.
Citizens get mad when they see a fire truck or ambulance stop at the grocery store or pickup food from a restaurant, simply because they don’t understand that service and why they do that so they complain to the town and or chief.
Brett Mollenhauer I've been in the fire service for 32 yrs. As you are well aware, Vol. FD hurt for people. Young people to carry the org. on to the future. Its society's mind set of what's in it for me. Even my own family tells me "When you retire, go work for a volunteer company, they pay min. wage!" No its NOT surprising.
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So, there was no "waste" going on at all. Just an ignorant citizen who didn't know what was going on, and instead of asking, tried to get someone in trouble. A citizen that no doubt, has never done a thing for their community.
448k is nothing to a fire dept. A brand new truck alone now cost around 800k and an actual station your talking about millions I'm proud of this man and fire dept. Hes doing a hell of a lot
Ryan Presgraves. that's for an all out custom rig. 100k will buy a nice truck and some gear. and then a station just needs to have a roof and doors. no need for millions. we did it
The people complaining should join the fire department to resolve the issue of manpower
You can say that again
Who complained, though? Someone from the community? Someone from that 'other' fire department, trying to troll?
Blah blah blah
Exactly!
Is it just me, or did all the haters miss the part about not having enough trained persons? A minimum engine company needs at least 4 people trained in structural firefighting to fight a house fire. Kuddos to this chief. The biggest problem in the modern day volunteer fire service is lack of good help and being able to keep them.
bullshit volunteer firefighters get paid a bunch of money and yes they doa bunch of nothing but at wsome point they start fighting fires when needed even if its not that often but this station has never fought a fire not even once
I have been a volunteer serving as chief for most of 15 years. I have never received any check, money, or payments for what I do. When I was a hose dragger for our neighbouring municipal fire department, I made 8.50 a call for fuel reimbursement. Volunteer firefighters save the American tax payers over 350 BILLION A YEAR. So, Pookee, you need to be better informed before you keep throwing your B.S. flag.
Mark Hannah you should move to pa where they get paid 1250 for sleeping in a cot
***** I was a Fire Fighter in Pa and we never received a check and my cousin still is a vol. firefighter and does not receive a check check your info
+pookeeboo Depends on where you live. Some volunteers still get paid nothing.
Ok... I see a man that has brought together the resources and acquired the right equipment using those resources to provide a valuable service to his community... Great !
However, if he can not find the manpower (unpaid volunteers willing to train and work for nothing) to operate this department, then his hands are tied.
There ARE laws regarding these things.
I belong to a volunteer fire department myself. We can not dispatch a truck unless a minimum of two people (volunteers) answer their page and show up to the hall. That's a minimum of two people per rig, by law !
If the people aren't willing to volunteer, train and show up for the calls, then his hands are tied and he can't do anything... period !
This is a drastic problem that's beginning to plague America's small town rural fire departments.
We just can NOT get people to step up and dedicate their time and efforts, regardless of whether they are offered pay or not.
Way too true. Those of us that do volunteer reach burnout pretty quickly when we're the only ones sacraficing time to help others.
Until you have walked in a volunteer firefighter shoes don't you say a word. God Bless you guys!!
The Chief is right on target...!
I give the Chief lots of credit..You've got to start somewhere. Might have been better to get the Firefighters first, but in this case, it seemed better to get the grants while they were available.
I believe the volunteer chief. It takes allot to restart a station from all the damage. Looking at the budget its amazing what they have. I agree with ffjsb comment. It is very commendable of the volunteers to make a commitment to the community. The volunteers just need the public's understanding and support.
Get yo rear ends off the couch and go help these guys out .... Don't gripe if your pager ain't went off at 3am to respond to a house on fire ....after pulling eight or MORE hours on a job !
The chief is right. It takes more than just equipment and money. Volunteers are scarce these days. And at that $450k doesn't get you too far in the fire service. That other truck they have there looks like it'll need to be replaced soon. A brand new engine costs on average a minimum of $500k.
My thoughts exactly, and thats not even including the cost of bunker gear, hoses, nozzles, hand tools, hydraulics tools, scbas, truck maintenance costs, ropes, ladders, fuel costs, concentrated foam, exhaust fans, and medical gear.
nichijou_ cargo exactly. Takes a lot to run a fire department. And none of that could get done if there was no volunteers. People need to wake up and realize we're not all at the station waiting for calls. We're struggling to get trucks out for calls and we need help. If people realized what it takes they might step up to the plate and realize if they don't there won't be any fire protection
You can get some very good used equipment very reasonable. Most of it is has few hours on it.
@@miverson4 yes but it still adds up. any emergency service is an expensive operation
@@znovosad555 I do know what you mean. Our dept in northern WIs bought a rescue for $300,000 new. I have also been in on the planning of a new firehall . In the 1990's it cost over half a mil. So it is not a cheap endeavor. But I also know if you spend a little time searching there is some very nice pieces of equipment for good prices. I sold fire gear in 2000, to put a fire fighter in the field with gear ran $6-8000. I am sure it is close to $10000 today.
$450 grand to get the fire dept and new truck up and running is peanuts
i'm am on a volunteer fire dept. and we just bought a new truck it cost 600,000 for just the truck nothing else 448,000 would be a start.
A good used fire engine (without equipment mind you) can be bought starting from 40k up. Fenton Fire has them all the time listed. If you are a volly company spending 600k on a single engine, that is a waste of resources.
In fact, I was bored sitting at the station yesterday and did some research online. I could build you an entire fire department from scratch, including a building, for $600,000 using used apparatus. This is an Engine, 2500 gallon Tanker, 2 brush trucks, Ambulance for rescue unit, and command unit. All equipment and supplies, PPE, and land/building. And money for training. Heck I was able to include a full hydraulic extrication tool set and rescue boat as well by simple research.
no that was for a tanker we all so have a engine, heavy rescue, 101 foot Ariel, two brush trucks, a boat ,a squad, a old tanker , a 40 ft special ops trailer,a 1947 engine ( our first engine), a suburban and your new engine will be here in 5 months and yes we are paid on call dept. we don't get paid to seat around and play on internet
James o... are you a "Volunteer" as you stated in your first comment ???
Or...
Are you a "PAID ON CALL DEPT" like you state in you second comment ???
There IS a real big difference !
Get your story straight dude.
I agree you can buy a lot buying used apparatus, the problem is these Grants have strings attached like you have to buy new apparatus . I wrote or helped write graphs for Departments I ran with as a Firefighter. Federal FIREACT requires that if replacing an apparatus, the old piece has to scrapped. Can't be donated or used in anyway in fire service. Also Grants come with matching fund stipulations, usually around 10% at least, how many little fire agencies cant get a grant because lack of matching funds but could greatly benefit from a well cared for used apparatus? Most of the apparatus in this country is manned by Volunteers, but it is falling more and more every year because the time required is getting unmanageable and still provide for family. EMT was 130 hours, Paramedic was 1400 hours, Firefighter 1 130 hours, Ff2 80 Hazmat Ops 60, then having to recertify every 2 for paramedic. I loved every minute of it but I was spending more time Volunteering than my paid career. Every second of the training is needed and required to provide a professional top notch service to our community but few can make the decision to take on the challenges today.
What kind of Chinese stuff are YOU buying?? I want GOOD turnouts keeping my butt safe. Scott 4500's are running around 4.5-5K. Any decent new fire engine is going to be at least 250K, barely equipped. They spent 212K on just a tanker. That's half their money right there. And you have fill SCBA's somehow. Not to mention fuel, insurance, maintanance, testing, training, etc. That money goes faster than you think.
Is cheek volunteer fire department in service in 2017 since this video was 5 years ago
schemer1991 as of late 2017, they definitely still are in service and responding to calls
@@thisissparta789789 good to know
I know that 400K is alot of money but let's consider this, #1 trucks and equipment at that time an ideal 2012 KW truck for that vocation would probably run around upwards of 100K+ with just the truck and little equipment after leaving and outfitter shop, #2 the new building and new equipment, Decon and other gear costs extreme amounts of money and to upkeep is more expensive as well #3 Grants can only be used on what the grants are obtained for which could be for just obtaining equipment alone and not the specialty training for said equipment. #4 Vols don't get paid for their time and most put in money for their own departments. It's understandable for people to complain about not having a local fire department and it's rightfully so, I've read that on average in structure fire related deaths people died less than 6 feet away from their door and when something starts to burn you need trucks ASAP, however like this chief said it's hard to invest money into this type of agency without the proper funding.
I may not have the whole story here but as a volunteer firefighter if what the chief said is true then the media and people just don't understand a thing. Its getting harder to get volunteer firefighters all across the country and most people don't realize most fire departments are either all volunteer or partially volunteer with a few paid guys. In the state of Iowa as of now there are 13 paid full time fire departments. Thats in a whole state so think about it.
450K is NOTHING when it comes to starting a fire dept. It costs around 8K per Firefighter to outfit them with turnouts, helmet, boots, and SCBA. The bigger fire truck cost probababy 200-250K before all the hose and equipment, probably another 30K. Plus there's the smaller one that's probably used. And that's not even counting the station building, training, radios, etc.
Don't knock it until you've gone inside a "worker". It's not easy. Little Blitz 85 LZFD Retired, IIlinois
Little Blitz nobody calls it a worker. It’s either work, tax payer etc
Pookeeboo......VOLUNTEER. Do you understand what that word mesns?
Time's also needed to recruit volunteers, let alone train them.
People don't know what it takes to run a fire department. Also people don't ask the department most of the time on how things are run.
A fire truck/engine can last indefinitely with proper maintenance. Vehicles from the early 20th century are still working as long as general maintenance is kept up. New ones are purchased mostly because the town leaders don't care about how your tax dollars are spent. They'll buy a $400,000 vehicle and sell it after 15-20 years for $5000 in perfect working condition.
Don't know where you get your info from but front line apparatus at busy fire depts get about 10 good years out of them before they go into reserve status. Also town leaders don't decide on purchasing apparatus, capitol improvement budgets do. Then apparatus are either sold by market value or donated to less funded depts.
Wonder what’s become of this department now
One website I found says it had a dissolution date of August 2019 sadly.
To become the highest level of firefighter certification takes 2 months full time. So volunteer training only takes about 2 weekends.
I know of a County FD in Washington State that has three Volunteer Fire Depts plus two paid and the volunteer stations have trucks on station but NO Volunteers he made them redundant and covers them with his two paid stations but he gets money for the three volunteer ones.
people have no clue how much goes into firefighting and how much equipment training etc cost
Citizens get mad when they see a fire truck or ambulance stop at the grocery store or pickup food from a restaurant, simply because they don’t understand that service and why they do that so they complain to the town and or chief.
Hummmmmmmm,very interesting....
Sweep the fire away😂😂😂😂😂
10 years since you fought a fire sounds like bs sitting around drawing a pay check is what that is
did you miss the part about volunteer? No one is getting paid.
Are you serious??? Really??? Paycheck??? Maybe you should think before you put your stupidity out in public.
Brett Mollenhauer I've been in the fire service for 32 yrs. As you are well aware, Vol. FD hurt for people. Young people to carry the org. on to the future. Its society's mind set of what's in it for me. Even my own family tells me "When you retire, go work for a volunteer company, they pay min. wage!" No its NOT surprising.
ASSHOLE, SITTING ON YOUR ASS COMPLAINING, YOU ARE WHATS WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY!!!!!!