@@KotleKettleIf you write on a piece of paper “write a sci-fi short story” and hand it to a writer, and they hand you back the completed task, it doesn’t become *your* story.
@@KotleKettle Every Big Five publisher has a clause in author contracts that requires the author to attest that AI played no role in the creation of the work. I am sure the industry unions will eventually follow suit.
AI is the best tool ever made for creative block, but doesn't matter how advanced the technology gets, it will never be able to replicate what life experiences creates.
Thats James whole purpose. Look at how pleasant corporate finds him. AI is going to bring more real human stories than these professional managers ever could. Listen to him. He's a very boring person. They have too many ideas to process. That they will never relate to. They are archaic. Chairman picked.
@@anti0918 It's probably best to think of it like seeing shapes when you look at clouds. It's just a bunch of water molecules congregated together. Nothing about a cloud is creative. But the creativity in your mind will be stirred by looking at these things. Same with scenarios generated by AI. AI doesn't have ideas. But it's generative scenes and dialogue can stir up ideas in your creative mind.
The threat isn't it being able to knock out en entire screenplay with a single prompt. It's someone being clever enough to use it in pieces so efficiently that a Producer doesn't need to hire a Screenwriter to workshop certain ideas.
so if someone gets their story out using AI and then skillfully edits that into the Story they're trying to tell. into a movie quality script. Wouldn't that make them the screen writer?
It’s useful for ingesting notes and organizing ideas and spiting out scene breakdowns from said notes and brainstorming to get the juices flowing. But when you actually write the thing, use a fountain pen. Don’t even type. Writing is a divine act and you should treat it as art. Write beautifully in cursive. Then you can transcribe it and edit the shit out of it. But there is a mystical aspect to the first draft if written in cursive on paper with a fountain pen. You’ll find that the next idea will come to you as you are writing the current word, phrase or sentence. Cursive is creative and typing is destructive. You type the same way a sculptor chisels. Typing is for editing. It’s “stabby“ like the legs of an insect, spazzing and skittering about. Cursive is like a figure skater or a bird soaring through the sky. True writing is inspired.
Lmao yeah bud have only one copy of your work in format that will be completely destroyed by one knocked coffee cup. Hope you won't need to reproduce it for anyone else to read without handing over the original! "Hey I wrote this awesome thing" "cool can I read it" "sure just give me 100 hours to transcribe a copy for you!" Lmao this is an Instagram artbro opinion
Asking in 2024 if AI can write a 120-page screenplay is like asking in 1983 if we could use a cell phone to talk to someone in Germany while walking in a park in the US.
I use Claude and OpenAI to help write. To write a scene, (1) collect a bunch of notes about events, character beliefs, goals, conflicts. (2) Ask the LLM to make an outline. (3) Manually tweak the outline. (4) Then ask the LLM to write the scene based on the outline. (5) Revise the writing or ask the LLM to revise per your specs. You'll get an okay-ish garbage draft that is very easy to tweak. You might even like it. This is a very fast process once you do it a few times. But of course, garbage in, garbage out applies. You need good ideas and judgement to feed in.
"You might even like it" is the key here. You don't know what you get until you start heavily tweaking it and adjusting it, which in best case scenario makes it a tool.
@@jespersichlau4343 I don't think anybody seriously using AI thinks of it as anything other than a tool. That's exactly what it is and that's exactly how it SHOULD be used. And as a writer, NOT liking something is generally better than LIKING something.
I use it as a copy editor to help me with grammar and punctuation, and it’s great for that. It can break down sentence structure and explain the connotation of different but similar words, etc.
I am fluent in English but I’m still very insecure when I have to write formal letters so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogue, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities still my intellectual property.
I've had the same problem with trying to get AI to help me with a full script, so what I do is make the necessary edits then copy the whole conversation and paste it when I restart the conversation at a later time to refresh its memory 👍
How do you avoid it running out of space? When I use Claud for brainstorming and it fills up really fast if I load in a script and some notes and a previous chat. So it’s like having an assistant with Alzheimer’s
@@DFMoray you have to do it bit by bit. instead of having it shit out a whole screenplay you just have to feed it in parts being careful with the prompt so it dosent start making shit up. you have to be really atrict with it so you get your story and not its story
I’m not surprised. The whole technology is basically just a giant word combining simulator. The longer it runs, the more snags it will hit and each snag will throw it more and more off track. It’s really useful as a research assistant, to ask questions that you’d need to spend ten minutes googling to find the same answer, but it’s not AI the way people think AI is or should be. It’s not even remotely capable of independent thought or expression.
Nah. You'd still have to check all the AI's answers to make sure they're not made up. Plus, googling directly is much more energy-efficient then letting the AI engine do the googling.
"The whole technology is basically just a giant" magic 8-ball! LOL! I love AI. It's already helping me make sense of my own writing in terms of readability. I have severe PTSD and writing my personal story using AI is the best thing I could hope for in my current dire circumstances. I'm writing the book with a script in mind... I'm a visual thinker. So, whatever tool I can use to accomplish my goals I'm willing to try. AI (mostly Gemini) has been super helpful in the past few months.
@@trinleywangmo I totally agree with you. Me for example I am fluent in English but l'm still very insecure when I have to write formal letters or make myself understandable so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogues, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities e everything is still my intellectual property, I only ask Al to write the action scenes more coherently so that whoever reads them can understand.
AI is great. I really love using it. It’s very helpful. At this point you cannot tell it to write a screenplay in it give it a genre and it can spit out a screenplay. No it will be able to do that eventually but it can’t now, but what it can do is Cut hours days or weeks off of your time to be efficient and to take that story outlines and to find different ways to shape the story really quickly so you can see all the different approaches and in minutes instead of days find the way through to the next plot. And for admin and and business it’s unbeatable. I have to tell you I into my six decade and there is always been some great art and a lot of garbage and all of it whether good or bad was made by humans and when you aggregate Everything that’s ever been written by humans 20% of it is great a couple of percentages of that are masterpieces and everything else is either average or just bad. People say that AI is going to take over art and AI is going to kill us all. Well, the corporations have taken over art and they run by people and people have created nuclear weapons, Gain of function viruses, and the Kardashians. I’m more afraid of the numbskulls and Hollywood than I am of AI
I totally agree with you, me for example I am fluent in English but I’m still very insecure when I have to write formal letters or make myself understandable so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogues, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities e everything is still my intellectual property, I only ask AI to write the action scenes more coherently so that whoever reads them can understand.
Use those as springboards for ideas to come up with on your own. This is like saying “you can’t use inspiration from other films as a tool”. You iterate off things, take what doesn’t work, see if you can write things around it to make it work, edit accordingly… not use AI on its own.
I wouldn't use it to help me write anything. AI is ARTIFICIAL Intelligence. I want a REAL Screenplay written, Not a Fake Robot helping me. But People, Do you, and I'll STICK to the REAL.🎥🎥🎥
And these tools aren’t even AI. They’ve just been marketed as “AI”, and enough of the public is so eager for the future to occur that they’ll believe whatever they’re told. ChatGPT literally has no idea what it’s going to say from one word to the next. It’s just an autocomplete resting on a mountain of data.
That's why it's called Artificial INTELLIGENCE, not Artificial WISDOM. Wisdom is what makes good stories. Just use AI the same way you use a word processing program. As a tool.
@@WarGamerGirl If I wanted to use it, I would, But again, I don't need it, I have my own Intellect and Wisdom, and I use that. So again, Do you, and I'll do me, and maybe just maybe we'll both be HAPPY, OK!!!
GPT-4 and Claude 3 may be good for writing amateur fan fiction, but they're still leagues behind from writing something good and cohesive. AI is first and foremost a tool, relying on it to do 100% of the work for you is a path for misery.
His reasoning is lack of compute. What an archaic snapshot this is about to become. On a page by page basis, just the power to format is bringing everyone on board. This pleasant schmuck who's fun to work with is gonna be eating out of dumpster part of some militia soon. Oh look a screenplay. Title: Archaic Snapshot INT. OFFICE - DAY We see JAMES (30s), a pleasant but slightly naive office worker, typing on his computer. The screen shows lines of code and documents being formatted. JAMES (to himself) His reasoning is lack of compute. What an archaic snapshot this is about to become. CUT TO: A wider shot of the office, showing other workers nodding in agreement as they look at James's screen. JAMES (V.O.) On a page-by-page basis, just the power to format is bringing everyone on board. CUT TO: James laughing and chatting with his colleagues. JAMES (V.O.) This pleasant schmuck who's fun to work with... EXT. ALLEYWAY - NIGHT James, now disheveled, rummages through a dumpster, looking for food. His appearance is rough, and he seems to be on the edge. JAMES (V.O.) ...is gonna be eating out of dumpsters, part of some militia soon. CUT TO: A group of rugged individuals, dressed in makeshift uniforms, assembling in a dark, abandoned building. James is among them, looking determined. JAMES (V.O.) Oh look, a screenplay. FADE OUT. Scene Breakdown: INT. OFFICE - DAY: Introduce James and his office environment. Establish his pleasant personality and how he engages with his colleagues. JAMES (V.O.): Voiceover narrates his thoughts, providing insight into his realization about the archaic system. EXT. ALLEYWAY - NIGHT: Show James's downfall, contrasting his previous office life with his current desperate situation. JAMES (V.O.): Continue the voiceover to link the scenes and provide continuity. INT. ABANDONED BUILDING - NIGHT: Introduce the militia and show James's integration into this new group.
Understand this first Storytelling skills and Writing skills are two different things...you have tell your story and can use AI to correct your writing...As a non native English speaker, I consider myself as someone who is good at making up stories, I can see it in my head clearly...but my writing skills not there yet, I need AI to fine-tune work like a Editor would do.... And AI is good for that task, comeup with storytelling and rough drafts then use AI in the writing aspect...again writing is not same as storytelling...that's why we don't see all MFA holders in best selling list...there are two different skills...and for one you don't need to be a native speaker .. Content creating AI is dumb it doesn't create your ideas..you need to create idea ..it can help tuning your grammar formatting etc .. And people badmouthing AI if you have used MS Word or Grammarly then you have used AI...so use the chatGPT and other AI tools accordingly...
AI has come a long way in 3 years and continues to improve. For better or worse. I currently use it as an assistant, editor, and similar. My hope is that it remains that way for creative purposes in these fields.
Yeah, it makes it a lot easier for people who don't have the skills to write properly in the first place. Nothing like creatively using a machine to do the "creative" bits for you.
Waste of hope, every single AI there is has been trained (and keeps being trained) with stolen assets, no such think as using it in a sustainable way, check any updated app terms and conditions, like Adobe, Instagram, etc. Instagram for example released a way to opt out from your photos to be feed to AI... from the point you fill the form (that just released), so from 2010 to 2024, everything is scooped for AI, any visual artist that has uploaded, has his work stolen, Adobe now does the same, anything you do on photoshop they own to use as they wish to feed their AI, its going to happen too, if its not happening already to any other field that lives in any way or form on the internet, and its for profit, not for "creative purposes"
@@Chrisratata I didnt negate the fact that AI is going to cointinue to improve, neither mentioned anything about AI developers sitting still on current architectures.
People are just completly misunderstanding Ai here. Expecting because it can simulate intelligence it can make anything. It's a tool to aid in writting not write for you. For example ideas for names maybe, ideas for a scene, changing a line, ideas for a line and so on. It's like expecting to replace doctors, or laywers. It won't ever. It might reduce them and do half their work, a quarter to start, maybe eventually 80%. But it will never take 100% of art and work. Only manual labour simple tasks that are repetitive and more or less the same.
AI does not do human emotions and experience at all well. Not suprising, it has no emotions or human experiences. What it's really good for is analysis. You can pump it full of scripts of great movies and reviews, criticism and genre tropes, etc. and then ask it to review a screenplay. I recently had an AI do coverage for a martial arts action script. The AI understood the genre and pretty much satisfied my needs for a fresh pair of eyes to help improve the script. To compare, I then sent my script to one of those well-known companies that does script coverage. Result: the reader they gave me had never seen a martial arts action movie before and was using a Wim Wenders movie about contemporary dance to offer comparisons to my script. I'm glad an AI is not better than me in my line of work.
Another big issue with the LLMs, even the ones with huge context windows like 1.5 million is that the AI is forgetful and cannot be trusted. As an example. let's say you want a group of ideas and words organized from a brainstorm file of 30 pages, the AI doesn't go back and check that everything was organized and copied over correctly. AI right now for writing is good at coming up with ideas, or phrases, or different ways of saying things. You CAN get some great stuff out of AI, but it is like mining for gold.
You're dead right - but that's what writing is like anyways - mining for gold. Most of the time what you get is crap and you have to refine everything over and over until you get something good.
Don’t ever underestimate technology. AI isn’t there yet but it will get there. People learn by pattern recognition. People learn by making mistakes. AI will “learn” as well.
A.I. is like a 5 year old that has the mutant super power of fast data retrieval and pattern recognition. It can do task really fast but it doesnt know what its really talking about. Relying on it for artistic task that need some real life experience will just be a disaster.
Someone, with the help of AI, can absolutely write a fantastic screen play. You just have to know how to use it, like any tool. So what if AI works at the pace of a single page at a time, I'm pretty sure that's the current pace.
@@KotleKettle GPT is just a tool. Whatever it forgets, it doesn't matter. It's the role of the master to remember, not that of the tool. You just don't know how to use it.
There is nothing different from AI utility that can't be obtained by just having a bag of words and throwing them on the table and seeing if anything jolts an idea.
AI is just another tool in the writers bag .. let me put it right ... We as humans are same same but different and that's what makes us special.. every one is unique n different even though we have behaviour patterns ... Voice of a writer puts up a great stories
Honestly the only thing AI is good for when it comes to writing is as a name generator! And it is a great name generator (though forgets past input after awhile and will start repeating names). But it's even terrible, unusable as a research tool. I've tested it, and it's either too vague to be helpful or straight up incorrect.
If you've lived a life where you've overcome that one thing (usually from childhood) like nearly everyone, and have been governed or at least influenced by what you think you should be doing in life by other people (even unconsciously), then you've filtered these so called "personal life experiences" through the authors you've read and have been inspired by, are you just a walking talking algorithm?
If a writer isn’t excited to get it on the page, or finish it, or have a compelling story to tell all the way through, that is a signal to stop. No one needs a tool that spits out mediocre content faster
That's the thing tho, Producers and organizations like Netflix mostly only care about cranking out as much content as possible. I guarantee you these tools will advance well enough where many powers that be will use it as a tool to accelerate their workflow significantly - that doesn't mean cranking out a whole finished screenplay with a single prompt.
I think a lot of the issues come down to workflow management. You don't need it to write the whole screenplay all at once - but specific scenes, one at a time? Prompt it with guidelines for who the characters are and how they are supposed to be characterized before it begins writing? Yeah you might need to take a while and do lots of prompts - but you can definitely get a screenplay out of it.
@@fenwayfan03 You a writer? I am. Sometimes, at least for me, just sitting down and writing the scene yourself right away is a complete non-starter. Often, its easier to find out where you DO want something to go by looking at where you DON'T want it to go. Also, in terms of speed - I've got a backlog of 6 screenplays - 120 pages each - that I wrote myself before ChatGPT was a thing for the public. I've got the copyrights to prove it. The shortest amount of time it took me to write ONE of those screenplays was about 4 months - writing every single day. I have ONE screenplay written using CHATGPT in the manner I've described - 120 Pages long - I was able to write that in 2 weeks. So, I really can't agree with the idea that ANY time was being wasted using ChatGPT. Even if it doesn't give you something you like - it did something better - it gave you something you DIDN'T like. As a writer, that's an incredibly clarifying tool.
@@BlackMita Yeah - I've found my own way of working with ChatGPT in this respect - even so, I would absolutely not ever consider using anything it suggests without editing, fixing, or changing. But, you know, that's the job of a writer - writing is rewriting. So, getting that vomit draft - the draft with all the problems and the crap you know you DON'T like out of the way - and knowing also that when you read it its like reading it for the first time because you DIDN'T sit there and write every word yourself - that's incredibly valuable too. Often being able to pinpoint exactly what you DON'T want is more helpful than sitting around trying to parse out what you DO want.
Could you tell it to write a scene and describe the scene and then do that like 50-69 times? I guess at that point, you’ve almost wrote the thing anyway.
And yet, AI now has a "memory" function, so... All I can say is that it's clear they didn't try very hard. I've watched people draft a coherent work with AI. Needs work, yes, but when you use the right prompts and have AI assume the right "persona", you'd be amazed to see the work it can create. This was before they had a "memory" feature. I can only imagine how much better it would be WITH the new feature. It CAN be done. They just didn't put a lot of effort into proving it. I've seen what AI can do, and it's a bad sign for real writers.
Prove it. I have been trying to get AI to write decent code for months and besides boilerplate and snippets that can be found on search engines, it utterly sucks at it. If you have to feed it so much and you have to infer so much then it stinks as the latest tech scam.
@@dakkanTM Prove what, man? You're talking about CODE. The topic is "script writing". Apples. Oranges. I've seen it attempt to write code, and while it's passable to a degree, it lacks nuance and like a genie, it does only exactly what it's prompted to do. It's not capable of pivoting unless it's told to do so. But that's not the topic, is it? No. The topic is writing a script/screenplay. Nuanced, but it doesn't really "do" anything. It just reads. Provides a read. Provides a story. Character and world creation. Dialogue. If you want me to prove AI can write a coherent script, that's easy enough to do if I can find the cat that showed us his "work" back in the day (before AI "memory" capability yet). If you want me to prove it can write code, which wasn't the subject, I won't waste my time. Stick to the script. Pun intended.
About that "memory" function: I'm using ChatGPT+ and it keeps forgetting things. For example: I'm feeding it a list of character names to choose from and it works fine on the first prompt. But after 20 prompts or so it suddenly comes up with different names and I have to feed it the list again. Same with fact sheets. It forgets or ignores info I provided 20 prompts ago.
Can we just settle this here, if you wanna use AI to write a screenplay or story, you aren't really serious about writing. There's a difference between a scribe (AI) and a writer(story teller), which requires a life experience, intuition and soul. And I realise this might age poorly 50yrs from now, but even then, i’d still challenge it to write a profound story.
Writers have more ideas than time to write them all. The person struggling to come up with an idea is a student who's forced to write an essay.
I feel the same way about people who use AI to write as I do about people who use snapchat filters to look pretty.
AI doesn't make your texts pretty, but save you a lot of time. You'll still have to edit it, and it will still be your text.
@@KotleKettle And you'll be a hack.
@@KotleKettleIf you write on a piece of paper “write a sci-fi short story” and hand it to a writer, and they hand you back the completed task, it doesn’t become *your* story.
@@xensonar9652And you'll be out of a job in 4 years
@@KotleKettle Every Big Five publisher has a clause in author contracts that requires the author to attest that AI played no role in the creation of the work. I am sure the industry unions will eventually follow suit.
AI is the best tool ever made for creative block, but doesn't matter how advanced the technology gets, it will never be able to replicate what life experiences creates.
Right, because nothing solves the lack of creativity like more lack of creativity.
Thats James whole purpose. Look at how pleasant corporate finds him. AI is going to bring more real human stories than these professional managers ever could. Listen to him. He's a very boring person. They have too many ideas to process. That they will never relate to. They are archaic. Chairman picked.
@@anti0918 It's probably best to think of it like seeing shapes when you look at clouds. It's just a bunch of water molecules congregated together. Nothing about a cloud is creative. But the creativity in your mind will be stirred by looking at these things. Same with scenarios generated by AI. AI doesn't have ideas. But it's generative scenes and dialogue can stir up ideas in your creative mind.
The threat isn't it being able to knock out en entire screenplay with a single prompt. It's someone being clever enough to use it in pieces so efficiently that a Producer doesn't need to hire a Screenwriter to workshop certain ideas.
so if someone gets their story out using AI and then skillfully edits that into the Story they're trying to tell. into a movie quality script. Wouldn't that make them the screen writer?
It’s useful for ingesting notes and organizing ideas and spiting out scene breakdowns from said notes and brainstorming to get the juices flowing.
But when you actually write the thing, use a fountain pen. Don’t even type.
Writing is a divine act and you should treat it as art. Write beautifully in cursive.
Then you can transcribe it and edit the shit out of it. But there is a mystical aspect to the first draft if written in cursive on paper with a fountain pen. You’ll find that the next idea will come to you as you are writing the current word, phrase or sentence.
Cursive is creative and typing is destructive. You type the same way a sculptor chisels. Typing is for editing. It’s “stabby“ like the legs of an insect, spazzing and skittering about.
Cursive is like a figure skater or a bird soaring through the sky.
True writing is inspired.
I'll give it a shot
Lmao yeah bud have only one copy of your work in format that will be completely destroyed by one knocked coffee cup. Hope you won't need to reproduce it for anyone else to read without handing over the original! "Hey I wrote this awesome thing" "cool can I read it" "sure just give me 100 hours to transcribe a copy for you!" Lmao this is an Instagram artbro opinion
@@matthewdeklerk3457 It's actually how Quentin Tarantino writes. I don't think he's on Instagram though.
Asking in 2024 if AI can write a 120-page screenplay is like asking in 1983 if we could use a cell phone to talk to someone in Germany while walking in a park in the US.
😂😂
I use Claude and OpenAI to help write. To write a scene, (1) collect a bunch of notes about events, character beliefs, goals, conflicts. (2) Ask the LLM to make an outline. (3) Manually tweak the outline. (4) Then ask the LLM to write the scene based on the outline. (5) Revise the writing or ask the LLM to revise per your specs. You'll get an okay-ish garbage draft that is very easy to tweak. You might even like it. This is a very fast process once you do it a few times. But of course, garbage in, garbage out applies. You need good ideas and judgement to feed in.
"You might even like it" is the key here. You don't know what you get until you start heavily tweaking it and adjusting it, which in best case scenario makes it a tool.
@@jespersichlau4343 I don't think anybody seriously using AI thinks of it as anything other than a tool. That's exactly what it is and that's exactly how it SHOULD be used. And as a writer, NOT liking something is generally better than LIKING something.
I use it as a copy editor to help me with grammar and punctuation, and it’s great for that. It can break down sentence structure and explain the connotation of different but similar words, etc.
I am fluent in English but I’m still very insecure when I have to write formal letters so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogue, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities still my intellectual property.
I've had the same problem with trying to get AI to help me with a full script, so what I do is make the necessary edits then copy the whole conversation and paste it when I restart the conversation at a later time to refresh its memory 👍
How do you avoid it running out of space? When I use Claud for brainstorming and it fills up really fast if I load in a script and some notes and a previous chat. So it’s like having an assistant with Alzheimer’s
@@DFMoray you have to do it bit by bit. instead of having it shit out a whole screenplay you just have to feed it in parts being careful with the prompt so it dosent start making shit up. you have to be really atrict with it so you get your story and not its story
I’m not surprised. The whole technology is basically just a giant word combining simulator. The longer it runs, the more snags it will hit and each snag will throw it more and more off track. It’s really useful as a research assistant, to ask questions that you’d need to spend ten minutes googling to find the same answer, but it’s not AI the way people think AI is or should be. It’s not even remotely capable of independent thought or expression.
Nah. You'd still have to check all the AI's answers to make sure they're not made up. Plus, googling directly is much more energy-efficient then letting the AI engine do the googling.
@@fenwayfan03 Yeah couple weeks ago I asked GPT a simple question about lighting and it gave me the exact opposite answer to the correct one
"The whole technology is basically just a giant" magic 8-ball! LOL!
I love AI. It's already helping me make sense of my own writing in terms of readability. I have severe PTSD and writing my personal story using AI is the best thing I could hope for in my current dire circumstances. I'm writing the book with a script in mind... I'm a visual thinker. So, whatever tool I can use to accomplish my goals I'm willing to try. AI (mostly Gemini) has been super helpful in the past few months.
@@trinleywangmo I totally agree with you. Me for example I am fluent in English but l'm still very insecure when I have to write formal letters or make myself understandable so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogues, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities e everything is still my intellectual property, I only ask Al to write the action scenes more coherently so that whoever reads them can understand.
Also please take note how much energy resources these takes up in the datacenters.
Does loglines okay.
Very true
Loglines are simple formulas.
“Who is fighting whom about what.”
Hero + main opponent = conflict
You need ai to help you with longlines? That’s just sad bro
AI is great. I really love using it. It’s very helpful. At this point you cannot tell it to write a screenplay in it give it a genre and it can spit out a screenplay. No it will be able to do that eventually but it can’t now, but what it can do is Cut hours days or weeks off of your time to be efficient and to take that story outlines and to find different ways to shape the story really quickly so you can see all the different approaches and in minutes instead of days find the way through to the next plot. And for admin and and business it’s unbeatable. I have to tell you I into my six decade and there is always been some great art and a lot of garbage and all of it whether good or bad was made by humans and when you aggregate Everything that’s ever been written by humans 20% of it is great a couple of percentages of that are masterpieces and everything else is either average or just bad. People say that AI is going to take over art and AI is going to kill us all. Well, the corporations have taken over art and they run by people and people have created nuclear weapons, Gain of function viruses, and the Kardashians. I’m more afraid of the numbskulls and Hollywood than I am of AI
I totally agree with you, me for example I am fluent in English but I’m still very insecure when I have to write formal letters or make myself understandable so right now I am writing a script and using ChatGPT as en editor just to make my ideas more coherent, but the core concept, story, dialogues, how I want my characters to feel in a certain situation, their tone, their qualities e everything is still my intellectual property, I only ask AI to write the action scenes more coherently so that whoever reads them can understand.
Use those as springboards for ideas to come up with on your own.
This is like saying “you can’t use inspiration from other films as a tool”. You iterate off things, take what doesn’t work, see if you can write things around it to make it work, edit accordingly… not use AI on its own.
I wouldn't use it to help me write anything. AI is ARTIFICIAL Intelligence. I want a REAL Screenplay written, Not a Fake Robot helping me. But People, Do you, and I'll STICK to the REAL.🎥🎥🎥
And these tools aren’t even AI. They’ve just been marketed as “AI”, and enough of the public is so eager for the future to occur that they’ll believe whatever they’re told. ChatGPT literally has no idea what it’s going to say from one word to the next. It’s just an autocomplete resting on a mountain of data.
It's not even intelligence. It is an advanced form of predictive text.
@@bdelphan 💯💯💯
That's why it's called Artificial INTELLIGENCE, not Artificial WISDOM. Wisdom is what makes good stories. Just use AI the same way you use a word processing program. As a tool.
@@WarGamerGirl If I wanted to use it, I would, But again, I don't need it, I have my own Intellect and Wisdom, and I use that. So again, Do you, and I'll do me, and maybe just maybe we'll both be HAPPY, OK!!!
GPT-4 and Claude 3 may be good for writing amateur fan fiction, but they're still leagues behind from writing something good and cohesive. AI is first and foremost a tool, relying on it to do 100% of the work for you is a path for misery.
ai is a great assistant and nothing more. It would be interesting to see where it'll be 5 years from now.
His reasoning is lack of compute. What an archaic snapshot this is about to become. On a page by page basis, just the power to format is bringing everyone on board. This pleasant schmuck who's fun to work with is gonna be eating out of dumpster part of some militia soon. Oh look a screenplay.
Title: Archaic Snapshot
INT. OFFICE - DAY
We see JAMES (30s), a pleasant but slightly naive office worker, typing on his computer. The screen shows lines of code and documents being formatted.
JAMES
(to himself)
His reasoning is lack of compute. What an archaic snapshot this is about to become.
CUT TO: A wider shot of the office, showing other workers nodding in agreement as they look at James's screen.
JAMES (V.O.)
On a page-by-page basis, just the power to format is bringing everyone on board.
CUT TO: James laughing and chatting with his colleagues.
JAMES (V.O.)
This pleasant schmuck who's fun to work with...
EXT. ALLEYWAY - NIGHT
James, now disheveled, rummages through a dumpster, looking for food. His appearance is rough, and he seems to be on the edge.
JAMES (V.O.)
...is gonna be eating out of dumpsters, part of some militia soon.
CUT TO: A group of rugged individuals, dressed in makeshift uniforms, assembling in a dark, abandoned building. James is among them, looking determined.
JAMES (V.O.)
Oh look, a screenplay.
FADE OUT.
Scene Breakdown:
INT. OFFICE - DAY: Introduce James and his office environment. Establish his pleasant personality and how he engages with his colleagues.
JAMES (V.O.): Voiceover narrates his thoughts, providing insight into his realization about the archaic system.
EXT. ALLEYWAY - NIGHT: Show James's downfall, contrasting his previous office life with his current desperate situation.
JAMES (V.O.): Continue the voiceover to link the scenes and provide continuity.
INT. ABANDONED BUILDING - NIGHT: Introduce the militia and show James's integration into this new group.
Understand this first
Storytelling skills and Writing skills are two different things...you have tell your story and can use AI to correct your writing...As a non native English speaker, I consider myself as someone who is good at making up stories, I can see it in my head clearly...but my writing skills not there yet, I need AI to fine-tune work like a Editor would do.... And AI is good for that task, comeup with storytelling and rough drafts then use AI in the writing aspect...again writing is not same as storytelling...that's why we don't see all MFA holders in best selling list...there are two different skills...and for one you don't need to be a native speaker ..
Content creating AI is dumb it doesn't create your ideas..you need to create idea ..it can help tuning your grammar formatting etc ..
And people badmouthing AI if you have used MS Word or Grammarly then you have used AI...so use the chatGPT and other AI tools accordingly...
It will sound dumb and boring
AI has come a long way in 3 years and continues to improve. For better or worse. I currently use it as an assistant, editor, and similar. My hope is that it remains that way for creative purposes in these fields.
Yeah, it makes it a lot easier for people who don't have the skills to write properly in the first place. Nothing like creatively using a machine to do the "creative" bits for you.
Waste of hope, every single AI there is has been trained (and keeps being trained) with stolen assets, no such think as using it in a sustainable way, check any updated app terms and conditions, like Adobe, Instagram, etc. Instagram for example released a way to opt out from your photos to be feed to AI... from the point you fill the form (that just released), so from 2010 to 2024, everything is scooped for AI, any visual artist that has uploaded, has his work stolen, Adobe now does the same, anything you do on photoshop they own to use as they wish to feed their AI, its going to happen too, if its not happening already to any other field that lives in any way or form on the internet, and its for profit, not for "creative purposes"
@@lrvz7187this doesn't negate the fact that it's going to continue to improve. AI developers aren't just sitting still on current architectures.
@@Chrisratata I didnt negate the fact that AI is going to cointinue to improve, neither mentioned anything about AI developers sitting still on current architectures.
People are just completly misunderstanding Ai here. Expecting because it can simulate intelligence it can make anything. It's a tool to aid in writting not write for you. For example ideas for names maybe, ideas for a scene, changing a line, ideas for a line and so on.
It's like expecting to replace doctors, or laywers. It won't ever. It might reduce them and do half their work, a quarter to start, maybe eventually 80%. But it will never take 100% of art and work. Only manual labour simple tasks that are repetitive and more or less the same.
AI does not do human emotions and experience at all well. Not suprising, it has no emotions or human experiences. What it's really good for is analysis. You can pump it full of scripts of great movies and reviews, criticism and genre tropes, etc. and then ask it to review a screenplay. I recently had an AI do coverage for a martial arts action script. The AI understood the genre and pretty much satisfied my needs for a fresh pair of eyes to help improve the script. To compare, I then sent my script to one of those well-known companies that does script coverage. Result: the reader they gave me had never seen a martial arts action movie before and was using a Wim Wenders movie about contemporary dance to offer comparisons to my script. I'm glad an AI is not better than me in my line of work.
Another big issue with the LLMs, even the ones with huge context windows like 1.5 million is that the AI is forgetful and cannot be trusted. As an example. let's say you want a group of ideas and words organized from a brainstorm file of 30 pages, the AI doesn't go back and check that everything was organized and copied over correctly. AI right now for writing is good at coming up with ideas, or phrases, or different ways of saying things. You CAN get some great stuff out of AI, but it is like mining for gold.
You're dead right - but that's what writing is like anyways - mining for gold. Most of the time what you get is crap and you have to refine everything over and over until you get something good.
Don’t ever underestimate technology. AI isn’t there yet but it will get there. People learn by pattern recognition. People learn by making mistakes. AI will “learn” as well.
It is good for tidying up a synopsis and log lines...Peace
A.I. is like a 5 year old that has the mutant super power of fast data retrieval and pattern recognition. It can do task really fast but it doesnt know what its really talking about. Relying on it for artistic task that need some real life experience will just be a disaster.
Someone, with the help of AI, can absolutely write a fantastic screen play. You just have to know how to use it, like any tool.
So what if AI works at the pace of a single page at a time, I'm pretty sure that's the current pace.
It's not a rocket science how to write prompts. The result is trash regardless, and more time consuming than writing it from scratch yourself.
@@KotleKettle dont bother he has 3 subs LOL
And have you even listen to what he said? GPT keeps forgetting characters after a certain amount of pages and invents new ones.
@@KotleKettle GPT is just a tool. Whatever it forgets, it doesn't matter. It's the role of the master to remember, not that of the tool. You just don't know how to use it.
There is nothing different from AI utility that can't be obtained by just having a bag of words and throwing them on the table and seeing if anything jolts an idea.
AI is just another tool in the writers bag .. let me put it right ... We as humans are same same but different and that's what makes us special.. every one is unique n different even though we have behaviour patterns ... Voice of a writer puts up a great stories
This guy goes from "not years" to "a year or less" to "two to three months."
You should never expect AI to write the whole thing for you. I use it for outlining and for putting together my series bible.
Nothing like the Natural Dumb
The only thing so far I think AI is good for with screenplays is helping with overwritten descriptions.
What do you prompt for that?
I definitely have a problem with overwritten description.
@@DFMoray Type "condense" and copy paste the description in it
As the reader or viewer, why should I put any effort into reading or watching your AI-generated story, when you put minimal effort into creating it?
Honestly the only thing AI is good for when it comes to writing is as a name generator! And it is a great name generator (though forgets past input after awhile and will start repeating names). But it's even terrible, unusable as a research tool. I've tested it, and it's either too vague to be helpful or straight up incorrect.
If you've lived a life where you've overcome that one thing (usually from childhood) like nearly everyone, and have been governed or at least influenced by what you think you should be doing in life by other people (even unconsciously), then you've filtered these so called "personal life experiences" through the authors you've read and have been inspired by, are you just a walking talking algorithm?
If a writer isn’t excited to get it on the page, or finish it, or have a compelling story to tell all the way through, that is a signal to stop. No one needs a tool that spits out mediocre content faster
To be fair, the blank page halts a lot of good writers, which is why they use The Talking Draft Method.
That's LITERALLY every writer at some point in the drafting process
@@dukeofdenver “virtually” 😉
If you want to write generic, boring and predictable stories, use AI.
If you want to write generic, boring, and predictable stories, use any writing structure or formula that's ever been written about, ever.
That's the thing tho, Producers and organizations like Netflix mostly only care about cranking out as much content as possible. I guarantee you these tools will advance well enough where many powers that be will use it as a tool to accelerate their workflow significantly - that doesn't mean cranking out a whole finished screenplay with a single prompt.
@@joshuaharper2448which is exactly what ai is doing right now
I think a lot of the issues come down to workflow management. You don't need it to write the whole screenplay all at once - but specific scenes, one at a time? Prompt it with guidelines for who the characters are and how they are supposed to be characterized before it begins writing? Yeah you might need to take a while and do lots of prompts - but you can definitely get a screenplay out of it.
I’ve tried this, and sometimes fixing and editing the crappy output has been a LITTLE more helpful than starting from scratch.
Or you could simply not waste all this time and write the scene yourself right away...
@@fenwayfan03 You a writer? I am. Sometimes, at least for me, just sitting down and writing the scene yourself right away is a complete non-starter. Often, its easier to find out where you DO want something to go by looking at where you DON'T want it to go. Also, in terms of speed - I've got a backlog of 6 screenplays - 120 pages each - that I wrote myself before ChatGPT was a thing for the public. I've got the copyrights to prove it. The shortest amount of time it took me to write ONE of those screenplays was about 4 months - writing every single day. I have ONE screenplay written using CHATGPT in the manner I've described - 120 Pages long - I was able to write that in 2 weeks. So, I really can't agree with the idea that ANY time was being wasted using ChatGPT. Even if it doesn't give you something you like - it did something better - it gave you something you DIDN'T like. As a writer, that's an incredibly clarifying tool.
@@BlackMita Yeah - I've found my own way of working with ChatGPT in this respect - even so, I would absolutely not ever consider using anything it suggests without editing, fixing, or changing. But, you know, that's the job of a writer - writing is rewriting. So, getting that vomit draft - the draft with all the problems and the crap you know you DON'T like out of the way - and knowing also that when you read it its like reading it for the first time because you DIDN'T sit there and write every word yourself - that's incredibly valuable too. Often being able to pinpoint exactly what you DON'T want is more helpful than sitting around trying to parse out what you DO want.
So I’m supposed to believe Wish wasn’t written by AI?
Then, it was the best time for that strike, set the rules early enough to have leverage :)
If you don't think AI will replace us very soon, maybe you shouldn't be a writer because you lack imagination.
Could you tell it to write a scene and describe the scene and then do that like 50-69 times? I guess at that point, you’ve almost wrote the thing anyway.
OK, I understand cope, but this guy is being flat out dishonest.
I think the one coping is you homie
@ Name how, because I’ve not been proven wrong since
This was a stupid thing to do.
And yet, AI now has a "memory" function, so...
All I can say is that it's clear they didn't try very hard. I've watched people draft a coherent work with AI. Needs work, yes, but when you use the right prompts and have AI assume the right "persona", you'd be amazed to see the work it can create. This was before they had a "memory" feature. I can only imagine how much better it would be WITH the new feature.
It CAN be done. They just didn't put a lot of effort into proving it. I've seen what AI can do, and it's a bad sign for real writers.
Prove it. I have been trying to get AI to write decent code for months and besides boilerplate and snippets that can be found on search engines, it utterly sucks at it. If you have to feed it so much and you have to infer so much then it stinks as the latest tech scam.
@@dakkanTM Prove what, man? You're talking about CODE. The topic is "script writing".
Apples. Oranges.
I've seen it attempt to write code, and while it's passable to a degree, it lacks nuance and like a genie, it does only exactly what it's prompted to do. It's not capable of pivoting unless it's told to do so.
But that's not the topic, is it? No.
The topic is writing a script/screenplay.
Nuanced, but it doesn't really "do" anything. It just reads. Provides a read. Provides a story. Character and world creation. Dialogue.
If you want me to prove AI can write a coherent script, that's easy enough to do if I can find the cat that showed us his "work" back in the day (before AI "memory" capability yet). If you want me to prove it can write code, which wasn't the subject, I won't waste my time.
Stick to the script. Pun intended.
About that "memory" function: I'm using ChatGPT+ and it keeps forgetting things. For example: I'm feeding it a list of character names to choose from and it works fine on the first prompt. But after 20 prompts or so it suddenly comes up with different names and I have to feed it the list again. Same with fact sheets. It forgets or ignores info I provided 20 prompts ago.
There is already a full-lenght feature movie out on YT written by AI, which happens to be about screenwriting.
Creative AI tools will always improve at writing, but never be good. Just a useful tool...
First! Also, generative AI is the biggest hoax since Theranos.
yet
Ai will never write a good script...it doesnt have a subcoinsess.
Can we just settle this here, if you wanna use AI to write a screenplay or story, you aren't really serious about writing. There's a difference between a scribe (AI) and a writer(story teller), which requires a life experience, intuition and soul. And I realise this might age poorly 50yrs from now, but even then, i’d still challenge it to write a profound story.
Ai SUCKS at writing.
Ai jobloss will get worse. Cease Ai.