Paris Olympics 2024 | Evolutionary Biologist Colin Wright Exclusive | Imane Khelif | Gender Row
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- "Their bodies are clearly androgenised. You can see through their facial structure - this isn't something you see in someone whose body is unresponsive to testosterones": Evolutionary Biologist Colin Wright
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1. Khelif was born with xy chromosomes with DSD 5-ARD deficiency.. Internal testes and no ovaries ... As such, Khelif was misassigned at birth as a female .. same as Caster Semenya and Brittany Griner ...
2. When Khelif reached puberty, his xy chromosomes kicked in (specifically the y chromosome) releasing normal male levels of testosterone from internal testes and resulting in all the attributes associated with being a male (muscle mass, bone density, lung capacity, larger heart, broader shoulders, deeper voice, etc) .. just look at the video of Khelif walking around Paris .. major broad shoulders and a typical male gait ..
3. In 2023, Khelif was banned by the IBA for not meeting the female division sex requirements .. ie. Not having xx chromosomes ... Khelif initially appealed this decision but then abandoned it .. when a simple cheek swab would easily prove whether Khelif was xx or xy ... The fact Khelif chose NOT to fight the IBA ban or take this simple test is very telling, if not damning .. hiding behind a dubious passport is not proof of anything..
4. In 2024, Khelif decides to compete as a woman in the Olympics, knowing the IOC has a loophole in not requiring actual proof that women are xx chromosomal.. Instead, a passport will do, which is zero proof at all !
5. Any empathy for Khelif I had disappeared upon learning he is gaming the system by KNOWING he is xy chromosomal and STILL deciding to use his xy size/muscle/power advantage to beat up xx women .. the power advantage difference between men and women is massive (one paper cited a 162% difference!) ..
6. The IOC banned Caster Semenya in the 2024 Olympics for having naturally high testosterone (but ignoring why this is occurring ie. xy chromosomes) ... yet allows Khelif, Lin, and Griner to compete ... the inconsistency is mind-boggling
7. Algeria should be ashamed knowing full well they are exploiting the IOC's incompetence and willful woke ignorance, instead of actual solid recognized facts and science.
8. Their egregious decision (IOC) could lead to serious injuries, or even death, to actual xx female athletes. It's just insane.
100% richtig. Aber erkläre das mal Leuten die von ihrer Religion absolut vernebelt sind. Bringt bei solchen Leuten überhaupt nichts. Weil die mit Wissenschaft und daraus resultierenden Fakten nichts anzufangen wissen, durch ihre Verbortheit und engstirnige Sichtweise. Da reicht der Horizont überhaupt nicht soweit.
Same case for Ling yu-ting!
How do you know all this information,can you prove it?
You are presupposing what you need to prove - what is a woman? You assume that anybody with a Y chromosome is necessarily male. But that’s what is under dispute. The Y chromosome has to function properly to produce the development of a male organism. The whole organism is male or female, not the chromosome. For 99.99% of human history, the determination was made at birth by looking between the legs of the baby. If there’s no penis and no testicles, that’s a girl - regardless of genotype. Genotype explains the causal development of the baby, but doesn’t answer the question of whether the baby is male or female. The visual inspection of the external genitalia does that. So there are two competing tests for sex determination - genotype and phenotype. The objective biology does not determine what policy should be used in ordinary life or in sports. THAT is why we have this problem. It’s not ideology, it’s just a necessary fact of science that, at times, there is gray area when making distinctions of classification. It’s totally logically arbitrary which test gets used, as the biology does not compel any one test. And so there is no one ‘right’ result of whether an intersex person is male or female. This is mind boggling for some people to get their head around. They want the world to be black and white, but sometimes nature itself has gray area.
@RC-qf3mp
* Cheek swabs for ALL competitors ...
* Only XX can participate in women's sport events
* Its just that simple !!!
Immediately reinstitute mandatory sex testing tonprotect the female category.
That won’t help. WHICH ‘sex testing’ should be used? In the old days, they did genital inspections. And it seems Khelif and other intersex people would satisfy that test. But if they did a genotype test, then some intersex people would fail but who are obviously women by any ordinary phenotype inspection. And there’s a reason they got rid of genital inspection in women’s sports - they found it invasive.
@@RC-qf3mpIt was explained by the biologist, you can watch
@@RC-qf3mpwe are no longer in the old days so DNA test is more than enough
@@RC-qf3mpthat will help. Test for chromosomes and gametes is a 100% sure shot way to tell men from women or both with DSDs
🇨🇦 Cancer Society just apologized for using word cervix & now call it front hole, female journalist responded with cervix actually internal organ & not a hole, so examinations no more invasive than woman being in gynecologist's stirrups.
Thank you for interviewing Colin Right and bringing some sanity to bear on this.
Finally someone who knows the science and dares point out the negligence of the IOC. All the national Olympic boxing teams should start a class action suit against the IOC. I commend this channel for bringing in a credible guest who speaks the truth.
These are males with XY chromosomes born with bilateral undescended testes. At birth, the doctor will see the absence of a scrotum, a small penis and will mistakenly write females in their birth certificates. These are common mistakes. Further examination would have revealed that these infants do not have vaginas and their urethral openings are are at the tip of their "clitoris" instead of being under and at the bottom. Few doctors, if ever, will do these thorough examinations. The child is brought home and will be raised as females, but the mother will notice shortly within weeks or months that the child urinates from the tip of of their penises and will bring the child back to the doctor to correct the mistake. Unfortunately, some parents prefer to carry on the mistake and bring the child up as girls. It's not until puberty when secondary sex characteristics of the male (penile enlargement , voice change, muscular, beard growth, hairline) becomes obvious because of testosterone production.
Khalif has no beard
Khelif has no beard because of a lack of dht. The chromosomes are xy, still shouldn't compe in women's sports.
@@Electiger-y5kWhere? Many men don't & some women do.
And no bobis 😅@@Electiger-y5k
Great to hear more and more educated fact-based scientists/ biologists stepping forward with their stance on this! After watching Dr Emma Hilton’s interview last week and now this interview, certainly confirms a lot of people’s suspicions. Thank you
Neither Colin nor Emma clarified anything on this topic. Both confuse biological issues with policy issues (whenever they talk about ‘fairness’). There’s only one issue, the biological one - what is a woman? Nailing it down, how are intersex athletes classified by sex? The problem is that there are MULTIPLE BIOLOGICAL TESTS and these can produce conflicting results in the case of intersex people. The traditional test is phenotype - look between the legs of the baby. If there’s no penis and no testicles, that’s a female. A girl. And by that test, Khelif was born a girl and girls grow up to be women. Female. The genotype test is chromosomes and perhaps she has Y chromosome. But chromosomes aren’t male or female, the whole organism is. Typically, the Y chromosome works properly, and so produces male genitalia. But if the Y chromosome is defective, then it won’t produce male genitalia and so won’t produce a male organism. And that’s what can happen in intersex people. So there are two objective, fact-based biological tests: phenotype and genotype. It’s purely a POLICY issue, not a biological one, on which test is to be used by a sports organization. Phenotype tests were used originally … over a hundred years ago and for decades by examining the genitals of women athletes. They found this invasive and other tests came to be used. But if they went back to that testing, Khelif would likely pass. Is that unscientific or un biological? Not at all. It’s objective and empirical. The problem is there are multiple biological criteria that could be used and no single one of them is ‘right’. There is no ‘right’. Nature doesn’t care how we classify it. Anomalies happen and the defect is in our desire for nature to black and white when it often has gray area. Whether Pluto is a planet or not doesn’t keep the Universe awake at night - it doesn’t care. It’s just our arbitrary desires for classification that create a puzzle where there is none. It’s purely a matter of policy how to classify intersex athletes. It’s a mirage to think a biologists can answer this with only biology - biologists can give their policy opinions, but that’s just policy opinion, not biological fact.
Thaat was very long winded way to say he's a man.
Never expected colin on Indian news network... He's amazing
@@RC-qf3mpBiological fact is 1 in 2,000 human births gender non-specific & used to be randomly surgically assigned. It's not policy/biology, it's cultural/political also, non-binary forbidden in Algeria, so the tests you troll about irrelevant to conforming.
@@unowen-nh9ov I don’t troll any test. It’s a historical fact that the dominant way of determining sex is phenotype.
And to Thomas Bach
* Cheek swabs for ALL competitors ...
* Only XX can participate in women's sport events
* Its just that simple !!
In very rare case, persons with 46-XY chromosomes should be allowed to compete as women (in my opinion). I am referring to Swyer's syndrome. Persons with Swyer's syndrome are 46-XY. They also have a uterus and fallopian tubes (without functional ovaries). With medical help (IVF) they can even have children. There is no evidence (that I have seen) that anyone in sports today suffers from Swyer's syndrome.
@@peterschaefferno there are no exceptions, the thing is, even if someone can technically compete fairly against women there has to be a very clear and strict line that cannot be crossed, there can’t be blurring of the lines here, sports are privileges, not human rights, people need to get this through their heads, idk why there’s such a strong push to have these “outliers” compete, AGAINST WOMEN, no one has the right to compete, if you’re not good enough, you don’t get to compete, so why should these people with disorders get to? That’s why the special Olympics were created, so people like this have something to compete in, FAIRLY, the answer to this situation literally couldn’t be easier lol
"the IOC has had their fingers in their ears for years! They have learned nothing from the 2016 Olympics, where all three winners in women's 800m running were male" - spot on, Colin Wright.
The IOC is also ignoring the 2019 decision of the international court of arbitration in sport, which ruled *because* of 2016: male xy-DSD athletes have a significant performance advantage over female xx-athletes.
Can’t they appoint some biologist to the head of the IOC? This is what we really need.
Or how about we appoint Colin to the US Supreme Court? It was appalling when I saw my party rooting on a candidate (and now Justice) who said she couldn’t explain the difference between a man and a woman because she isn’t a biologist 🙄
Leave Elon Musk and JK Rowling alone!
5 alpha reductase deficiency must be shown
That is no woman !
it's woman born woman
Yes she is, copium
@@SubZero-hs9xc no! HE is not !
@@SubZero-hs9xc all you need do is look !!!
Disregard the XY proof!
And the fact is obvious !!
That is a MAN !
There are two Olympic categories, Open and Women's. They should be competing in the open category.
Kick out all the IOC authorities and make a rule for testing of players. Males with medals from female categories should give medals back.
Why doesn't this occur the other way? Why doesn't this happen in mens sports???? Riddle me that batman!
I wonder if Imane Khelif's harassment action against JK Rowling and Elon Musk includes misgendering on-line. What fascinates me about that is the fact that misgendering and deadnaming are only considered an afront to transgender people. Since Khelif is not considered transgender, in theory it would be almost like calling Elon a "she" or JK a "he" -- neither of which would be considered harassment? And I'm sure that Imane has been misgendered on a daily basis since adulthood and Khelif has casually corrected people -- unlike an actual transperson who would less likely be casual about it. I have met an androgynous-looking female (self-ID'd as such) who actually seemed proud to be misgendered and would tell humourous stories about it.
Thank you 🎉. Great Interview.
❤
To born female "girls/ladies this scientification of Caster semenya and Imane khelif as females poses a lot of questions. Both are flat chested, manly voices masculine among other abnormal appearances which are absent in females.
many, if not the majority not so well known female boxers in the amateur field fits the appearance of Imane, even their faces go a constant change due to the punches, the broad shoulders and the constant workout to meet certain weight and muscular pumping, I think this case got so well known because the tweets of all this famous bigoted people.
Why are they not suing their doctor for wrongly assigning
tthem, instead of suing jk and eton ... money thats all they want
There is no such thing as assigning gender. Bio sex is only observed at birth
Because non-binary don't exist in Algeria.
So a male won gold in female boxing…
Two males
They are males without the quotation marks
???
Exactly
There are males without gear, shemales & ladyboys.
2:10 - IF Miss. Khelif PRACTICES ISLAM, I'll BET 10K THAT SHE'LL BE HAVING BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN ❤❤❤❤
We need clear cut criteria
Yes, but there will never be clear cut criteria because nature has gray area in it. There’s no clear classification for anomalies. And we can imagine new intersex conditions that could arise in the future. Ultimately, there are at least two biological tests - phenotype (look at genitals at birth) and genotype (chromosomes). For at least some intersex people, the phenotype test could yield ‘female’ (no penis or testicles) while the genotype is more typical of ‘male’ (Y chromosome, albeit defective). It’s like asking for clear criteria on whether a labradoodle is a lab or a poodle. It’s neither and both. There’s no great mystery in the biology. It’s just a fact that human classifications, at times, are totally arbitrary. That there is gray area in nature itself. It’s not a defect of our classification or knowledge, it’s just a brute fact of reality.
@@RC-qf3mp XX female XY male
It's called male n female chromosomes n gametes aka ova and sperm
@@dis_appointed8626 no, chromosomes aren’t male or female. Does the male chromosome have a penis on it? Of course not. You are confusing causal factors in the ‘typical’ development of sex characteristics of a fetus with the sex itself. Rookie mistake. The whole organism is male or female, not the chromosomes, and the chromosomes can be defective and fail to causally produce the development of a male organism, as can happen in DSD cases. Answer me this - what do you call a baby born with a vagina, no penis and no testicles? I call that a ‘girl’. As does 99.99% of humanity throughout history. The girl might have internal testes, or ovaries tests or gonad streaks. But it’s a girl. No penis, no testicles = girl. That’s a phenotype test. It’s a biological test. I get it, a genotype test is also a biological test. And in DSD cases, the tests can yield divergent results - and that’s why a problem exists for sports and other areas of human life, because it’s totally arbitrary which tests get used. The biology doesn’t compel one test or one criterion.
@@RC-qf3mpNot totally arbitrary or we wouldn't all be here, nor any living thing.
Worse olympic games ever!
This is not fair.
Thank you for the common sense.
The caravan pass the dogs keep barking 😂😂😂
Really good, informative & questioning discussion. Top marks for information 10/10 to Colin Wright ... Thank you 👍
Fantastic interview! Thank you Dr Colin Wright for calmly explaining the misconceptions leading to such infuriating and unfair situations for women. You are eloquent, clear, and knowledgeable!
This freak should be outlawed. A man beating up women is disgraceful.
Are you transgender?
It’s interesting
I watch sports to see the very best compete against the best. In the sports I watch, physically that is males. Essentially I only watch males compete. For that reason. Not sure why so many people seem to care about female competition. Then to act like they give a shit about xx chromosomes is even more comedically mind boggling. Whatever they settle with for testosterone or chromosomes to compete in female sports, I still won't care. Just saying I think theres a boatload of pretenders out there that just want to use this as an excuse to hate and they also don't really care for womens competition.
In terms of skill, women and men pros are equal . Just power difference . For example female basketball players are unbelievably skilled with basketball
@@Electiger-y5kWomen superior @ giving birth, no trans woman will ever die giving birth or from gynecological cancers, fibroids, toxic tampon shock, mastectomy, hysterectomy.
It’s called empathy, putting yourself in someone else’s shoes, if I was a female athlete I’d want the powers that be to do anything they can to keep males from competing against me
Always curious why we don’t hear about this going the other direction with “women” in male sports…hmmm
Very impressed with this discussion - grounded and sensible
Hcem-trails is doing the damn thing
I am not biologist or anything but xy means male.
That doctor has blinking issue
Just follow him to the bathroom and see if he stands or sits :))) Lets keep things simple :D
he said all medal winners' of rio olympics 400m were biologically male??? what? @ 9.26
Search YT for 2016 Rio womens 800m. All 3 medalists are very clearly male.
She should name him in her lawsuit
Sorry did you say “genetically men” in the beginning of the story?
Believe the Olympics should strip them off their gold!
It won't happen if they're the ones that allowed her to compete.
Why ? She won?
Both gold medalists in both weight categories have xy chromosomes.
They probably will react after 10/20 yrs saying it was wrong.. just like Lia thomas case
@dis_appointed8626 Yes! Justice may be delayed , but it will not be denied !
Just a theory could have changed sex during birth🤔
no
If she represents USA or E.U she is 300% qualified!!!
I wish you stop talking about boxing and talk about the hundreds of women and children who are getting killed every day in gh.a.z.a, and the women who are raped every minute in Sudan!!!
Nope. My first question is not "is she male or female". My first question is "how is she doing right now and does she have the support she needs in a difficult time". Some people need to straighten their priorities out.
Oh so ypu don't care if it's a man or a female punching? If it's a man / intersex/ with a chromosome disorder would you ask how the Italian boxer is doing or is it still a nope
She probably feels better than her opponents
So he feels bad , let us give him an Olympic golden medal
@@user-nh8rw9ek9g humans suck
Nope. Women's rights trump men's feelies.
I have an idea for next Olympics in #LA28
Smoll dic competition, we talking abt hardship there, should be awarded somehow. Open category, everyone is included. Submissions by OF accounts.
Did you find a category you think you would dominate?
@@couchguy427 Not yet..
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 am arabe zombie
Iba gîte false résultats of test
Congratulation Iman and let all haters cry 😂😂
Exactly 💯👌 he will be the next in iman's lawsuit.
muslim with westernphobia
@@yahyakrisna2358 Are you drank?
Yeah right he still he.
@@meilango6527 don't cry, it is OK 🤭
LEAVE IMANE KHELIF ALONE!!
WHY WHY WHY no big blow ups when she lost last Olympics to another female fighter??
CONGRATULATIONS 🎉 IMANE KHELIF
May you continue to be protected & many blessings
She lost against 9 female fighters before the olympics so were they even more males than her then?
I think that Elon Musk and Trump should prepare the money and apologize to Iman Khalif because the truth has come out😅😅😅
No, the truth will have to be examined if this case proceeds.
@@unowen-nh9ov
Logically, Iman Khalifa will win. Because if she wasn't sure she was a woman, she wouldn't have filed the case in the first place.
@@unowen-nh9ov
The strange thing is that you, the West, are the ones who founded the transgender community and defended them, even though Christianity forbids that. As for us Muslims, we forbid that, especially in Algeria, and we also love Christ and believe in him. It seems that we are more Christian than you.
Colin makes a fast move whenever he mentions “male puberty”. That’s presupposing what should be proven. The question is whether an individual is male or female, not whether the puberty is male or female. If the person is female, then WHATEVER puberty they go through will be ‘female’. So his use of ‘male puberty’ is nonsense. He needs to be more careful in distinguishing biological claims from his own preferences of how policy should be dictated in athletic competition. What is ‘fair’ is that only women compete in the women’s division. What’s not fair is excluding some women due to natural biological factors. He’s muddling two distinct issues, and whenever he talks about ‘fairness’, he’s not speaking as a biologist, but a police maker.
Male puberty because of the testosterone that his male body is producing.
Male puberty = testosterone
@@Electiger-y5k that’s presupposing what needs to be proven. We need criteria for distinguishing ‘male’ from ‘female’. There’s no such thing as a ‘male puberty’ apart from whatever puberty a ‘male’ has, so the prior question is, what’s a male? Testosterone is hormone. Men produce testosterone and women produce testosterone. Testosterone isn’t male or female. Puberty also isn’t male or female, it’s a development process. So your comment sheds no light on the matter at hand. I should add, there are some women with unusually high testosterone levels, such as an Indian runner. She has XX chromosomes and nobody is questioning her sex. She’s 100% female. And she has a condition that gives her very high levels of testosterone. She was disqualified due to her testosterone levels. She sued and won in court, and rightly so.
If the person is XY, then they will not go through "female puberty" if they have 5-ARD because they won't produce normal female levels of estrogen because they don't have ovaries. If they have some level of androgen insensitivity, then they don't necessarily go through bull blown "male puberty" either, but the lack of normal female puberty is still an athletic advantage.
To my knowledge, there is only one possibility where someone can be XY and be 100% typical female (ie. having fully functional internal and external genitalia and having periods, etc...) and that is an incredibly rare form of Swyer syndrome and this wouldn't likely be Khelif's situation.
He is speaking as a scientist. Khelif went through male puberty because Khelif has xy chromosomes. Xy should not compete with xx because xy has male strength.
Iman is a female no doubt about it
Because she’s not from USA or Israel or western countries so they accused her
Because nothing else is allowed in Algeria.
Nobody said Imane is trans. People say he's intersex, which means he looked like a girl when he was young then startes changing when hormones hit at puberty. He wouldn't need anyones permission for anything, it happened on its own and he clearly took on a male persona at puberty. There are no pictures of him as a teen in womens clothes.
ZIVJELA IMANE ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ DO NOVE POBJEDE
The End of Khelif man
@@CaterinaCarlone ma sto rece,Ti znas???
".....their bodies are clearly androgenized you can see through just their facial structure......". "It's fascinating how this so-called biologist, who appears to be driven more by personal bias than objective science, can assert such conclusions based on facial structure and body type. By that same logic, should we then assume that athletes like Ilona Maher, given her height, muscle mass, and facial features, must also be male simply because of her physical prowess on the field? Of course, this reasoning seems to only be applied selectively, often targeting non-Western athletes. Ironically, many of those who claim to champion women’s rights are the same individuals who disparage athletes like Serena Williams, questioning her femininity even after she's given birth to two children."
There have been dozens of studies showing that humans, and especially females because we evolved under higher risk, can discern sex in other humans within fractions of a second. Things like wider and more rigid jaw structure in males are also scientific fact. Not everyone is quickly identifiable but if it wasn’t an overall fact of life then “passing” wouldn’t have formerly been a major concern for folks with gender dysphoria. YOUR bias is what’s most apparent.
Colin wright finally admitting assignment at birth doesn’t means little.
Ultrasound can observe sex b4 birth.
Good for her to To shut the mouths of racist bullies Those who claim respect They are making slanders, lies and discrimination.
This isn't about race, it's about fraud.
that guy looks like he is forcing himself to blink his eyes