Prior to stumbling across Enneagram through a TH-cam video about it, I had studied Meyers Briggs and had heard a bit about physiography through different classes in college. For example, in a communications class, the teacher had us take the Meyers Brigs paper test (this was the early 90's) and then explained what the different types were. She also told us what type she thought we were towards the end of the semester. I had self-typed as INTJ and her assessment was the same. I've taken MBTI tests many times over the years and I've noticed that sometimes I test as INTJ and other times as INTP or even INFJ. I thought that was odd, so I started looking into alternative personality type theories to see if I tested differently when taking self-tests and being evaluated in those as well. It seemed as though I tested differently depending on how under stress and/or how depressed I was. Then, I found out about the Enneagram, among others, and discovered that I was consistently a Type 5 regardless of how I felt. Sometimes, I tested as 5 w4 and sometimes as 5 w6 but always a 5 type. I also noticed that when reading the descriptions of types and especially about how we temporarily behave a bit more like other types when under stress and such, it really seemed to model the actual human behavior that I'd observed all of my life much more accurately than the other theories that I'd studied. More fluid and dynamic than most theories. The other theories still have their uses and I still find them interesting, but none of the ones I've found seem to be as robust as this one. My degree were in botany and agronomy because I was raised on a cattle ranch and knew a lot of farmers as well, so though I have always been interested in systems, how things work and are related to each other, I decided that those degrees were related to my experience and would lead to a career that would be acceptable to the culture I grew up in. I had a career as a conservation consultant in the USDA which I really enjoyed, but I always have had a variety of interests outside of that, including psychology. Now and then, psychological concepts would come in handy with working with clients of our agency, so that was interesting. Supervisors I had noticed that I could really empathize and communicate so well with farmers, ranchers, 'city slickers', teachers etc. Looking back on it now, it may have been because I studied people just as closely as I did plants, livestock and wildlife. I've always loved learning about the origins of things and how things get started, so it's great to listen to this video. Thanks!
Thanks, I have loved tracking all the details about the Enneagram. There are some really great teachings and teachers that evolved independently of one another...as you can see with Peter, our Ennealives intersected in 1994. He is a great teacher... and a great man. We both were in the Narrative Tradition, initially know as the Oral Tradition, as it was called then. Peter hosted Kathy Speeth and Helen Palmer, where I learned about the subtypes via Speeth's training manual in 1985. We had the same core data, so we did not have tog about the subtypes, as many did. Peter partici unlearn anythinpated in my research studies, which was great, too. Enneagrammers loved to participate because we all wanted the data that came from it. We both learned Claudio Naranjo's version of the subtypes via Speeth, so he and I learned about the subtypes from the same source. Speeth's source was Naranjo, but her notebook said Oscar Ichazo, so some were confused but actually, Naranjo was the actual creator of Subtypes... The confusion came because Naranjo called the Enneagram -Protoanalysis and the . 3 centers - instinctual Triads... So people thought the instinctual subtypes were from Ichazo... Simple error born of Naranjo honoring Ichazo's copyright. He went with terms already in the public domain from Gurdjieff. Then, in 1996, I attended Naranjo's first intensive in almost 24 years. So, I got the backstories. Naranjo validated my research findings so I carried on. In 1998, our Palmer-Daniels group spent the entire summer conference on the Enneagram Types, Subtypes, and Intimacy. It was the large group to participate all at once, propelling it forward. I taught it at the IEA conference in 1998 and there after the other schools added to them to their Enneagram trainings. So Peter and I go way back and have a lot of shared history...
Peter is self-typed as a Social subtype 8, the counter type who defends against bullies. Watch a joyous teacher who lives at his core heart space, the high side of Enneagram 2, innocent service....
![#155 - The Embodied Enneagram and the impact of Subtypes [with Peter O'Hanrahan]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HWamJqWtm-0/mqdefault.jpg)
Prior to stumbling across Enneagram through a TH-cam video about it, I had studied Meyers Briggs and had heard a bit about physiography through different classes in college. For example, in a communications class, the teacher had us take the Meyers Brigs paper test (this was the early 90's) and then explained what the different types were. She also told us what type she thought we were towards the end of the semester. I had self-typed as INTJ and her assessment was the same.
I've taken MBTI tests many times over the years and I've noticed that sometimes I test as INTJ and other times as INTP or even INFJ. I thought that was odd, so I started looking into alternative personality type theories to see if I tested differently when taking self-tests and being evaluated in those as well. It seemed as though I tested differently depending on how under stress and/or how depressed I was.
Then, I found out about the Enneagram, among others, and discovered that I was consistently a Type 5 regardless of how I felt. Sometimes, I tested as 5 w4 and sometimes as 5 w6 but always a 5 type. I also noticed that when reading the descriptions of types and especially about how we temporarily behave a bit more like other types when under stress and such, it really seemed to model the actual human behavior that I'd observed all of my life much more accurately than the other theories that I'd studied. More fluid and dynamic than most theories.
The other theories still have their uses and I still find them interesting, but none of the ones I've found seem to be as robust as this one.
My degree were in botany and agronomy because I was raised on a cattle ranch and knew a lot of farmers as well, so though I have always been interested in systems, how things work and are related to each other, I decided that those degrees were related to my experience and would lead to a career that would be acceptable to the culture I grew up in. I had a career as a conservation consultant in the USDA which I really enjoyed, but I always have had a variety of interests outside of that, including psychology. Now and then, psychological concepts would come in handy with working with clients of our agency, so that was interesting. Supervisors I had noticed that I could really empathize and communicate so well with farmers, ranchers, 'city slickers', teachers etc. Looking back on it now, it may have been because I studied people just as closely as I did plants, livestock and wildlife.
I've always loved learning about the origins of things and how things get started, so it's great to listen to this video. Thanks!
Thanks, I have loved tracking all the details about the Enneagram. There are some really great teachings and teachers that evolved independently of one another...as you can see with Peter, our Ennealives intersected in 1994. He is a great teacher... and a great man.
We both were in the Narrative Tradition, initially know as the Oral Tradition, as it was called then. Peter hosted Kathy Speeth and Helen Palmer, where I learned about the subtypes via Speeth's training manual in 1985.
We had the same core data, so we did not have tog about the subtypes, as many did. Peter partici unlearn anythinpated in my research studies, which was great, too. Enneagrammers loved to participate because we all wanted the data that came from it. We both learned Claudio Naranjo's version of the subtypes via Speeth, so he and I learned about the subtypes from the same source.
Speeth's source was Naranjo, but her notebook said Oscar Ichazo, so some were confused but actually, Naranjo was the actual creator of Subtypes... The confusion came because Naranjo called the Enneagram -Protoanalysis and the . 3 centers - instinctual Triads...
So people thought the instinctual subtypes were from Ichazo... Simple error born of Naranjo honoring Ichazo's copyright. He went with terms already in the public domain from Gurdjieff. Then, in 1996, I attended Naranjo's first intensive in almost 24 years. So, I got the backstories. Naranjo validated my research findings so I carried on. In 1998, our Palmer-Daniels group spent the entire summer conference on the Enneagram Types, Subtypes, and Intimacy. It was the large group to participate all at once, propelling it forward. I taught it at the IEA conference in 1998 and there after the other schools added to them to their Enneagram trainings. So Peter and I go way back and have a lot of shared history...
Great to see you together on a screen! What is Kathy’s last name?
Thanks... Peter and I are longtime Enneafriends....
He is a great peron...we will share more about the Instincts in the future.
Kathy Speeth
Peter is self-typed as a Social subtype 8, the counter type who defends against bullies. Watch a joyous teacher who lives at his core heart space, the high side of Enneagram 2, innocent service....
Indeed it is... ;)