That's awesome! The operator doesn't seem to get bounced around all over the place either - comes home with his/her guts pretty much in the same place.
the iconic purple accents 👍 I live near Rosenort and every time I see a pan I look for colors. always take pride knowing that's a MB product even though I don't build them.
The biggest advantage i see is to be able to double duty a machine you all ready have and to cut down on cost and overhead. Its not something new to the market but, is growing faster everyday.
Yes, the advantage is certainly there to utilize extra Trucks that may be sitting idle in a fleet for better asset utilization. It is also an easier transition to develop truck operators to become scraper operators. K-Tec is the industry pioneer of the ADT/Scraper concept, and have refined the productivity of this effective earthmoving combination since 2007, to continue this growing market year over year!
As a proud Canadian, an earthmoving nerd in search of the true best solution for any job, and someone with a lot of experience with WTS, I am always conflicted when watching your videos. I think overall I lean towards WTS (637K push pull or 631K push loaded would be great for this job), but for long flat hauls, for operator comfort, and for the initial investment I understand the attraction of pull pans. For longevity, maneuverability, steep grades, and reduced time in the cut its hard to beat WTS. Plus I'm not dive bombing a canyon wall trying to pull as much of the mountain down with me as I can with a pan setup like you can with a WTS. Keep up the good work and maybe someday you'll start making some with motors attached :)
Thank you for continually following our channel! We encourage your company to fill out a demonstration application form to try out our efficient scrapers to compare them on your site against other earthmoving scraper machines to experience the Massive Advantage first hand: ktec.com/on-site-demo-application
We realize that some contractors will have their own preference in power-unit brand, so we manufacture custom hitches for all of the above brands that you have listed! For more information, please visit: ktec.com/the-solution/your-existing-power-unit/
That is some serious money running there but if you going to run with the big dogs you better have the equipment to get the job done hats off to the company that owns this equipment
A good idea these pieces are, if belts are not an option and they aren't for 800,000 yards. The Denver airport was a 6 million yard job and belts were used to move soil. I have seen belts used in Levy Gravel quarries where material was moved for miles without operators.
They would be neat with a hydraulic drive trailer wheels just for loading. (Unlocked for traveling). There are some good epicyclic hubs about in the magazines (diesel progress)
627 cutting the hard ground. Trucks cant work in heavy mud, hydraulics continually break and leak on the pans. Trucks comes to almost stop when unloading. Wont work a 10 hr day without refueling. Can't make a step cut or cut on a slope. Made for flat medium pack dirt.
To see the K-Tec scraper excel on your own jobsite, please apply for a free product demonstration: ktec.com/on-site-demo-application The profitability of these machines for your earthmoving operation will enhance your bottom line: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
For folks not familiar with the Texas Plains look at the horizon -- this is FLAT country. I grew up near there and love to be able to see storms before they get to me!
We had box graders nailed in the 70’s, so what changed ? Well, machine costs and versatility. Why build a specialist twin engined unit when a dump truck chassis pushed by an agri tractor can do the same work. It is fascinating how ideas and technology go back and forth over the decades :o)
I work for the company shown in the video and also run various different scrapers and in terms of scraper comfort the adt is far superior and the k-tec is the most enjoyable to control but the 627K and H are my favorite scrapers
I'm a scraper operator looking for a job I run 6 23s 631-650-1657 ran most all scrapers end dumps Dozer a little bit not much but know how to run one not finish living Azle Texas whereabouts are y'all located at local 12 Union operator California move back home run scrapers here now Landscaping
was surprised to see the haul road speed was only 25mph with using adt. i thought the point of using those vs tractors was travel speed. tractors haul at 25mph...
25 mph was the conservative average haul road speed throughout the duration of the entire project, which includes acceleration and deceleration into and out of the cut and fill zone. For the other benefits of ADT/Scraper combinations vs tractor/scrapers,please view the video: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
2.5 minutes is a bit to long in the cut compared to traditional scrapers. 57s push pulling are cutting for no longer than 60s, 51s 20 to 30 tripling dirt moved. They may haul more at once but traditonal scrapers move fast cut quicker
That's 2.5 minutes in the cut zone, the average cut time for our 63 cu. yard scraper (1263 ADT) on this jobsite was 80-90 seconds as shown in the video.
You chose the best and only place for your best results. We own four and our 627gs out work these hand down. They require alot of babysitting. We are in ohio.
Stupid question but if you need a second machine to push them, why would you use a scraper over an excavator and dump truck? Is due to precision in depth or something like that?
What is the benefit over using more tradition power units when pulling the pans? To keep costs down I would think a draw bar arrangement on the back of a Volvo dump pulling a 2 wheel sulky would work well. It would also avoid the expense of taking the trailer bed off. OR Mount the 5th wheel arrangement in the dump bed of the Volvo. This would add some traction and again save time and expense - of course disable the dump lift and chain the bed down while using the truck in this configuration. Am I off base? Thanks!
Hello Bob, Here are a few considerations on why we utilize the Articulated Dump Truck Chassis Frame: The position of our hitch enables better visibility to the scraper cutting edge, and a shorter overall unit length. It also provides for a very tight turning radius. The removal of the dump box takes approximately a day to complete, however, that enables the shedding of approximately 20,000 lbs of extra tare weight that would slow down scraper production for the operator. Please reply for further discussions or clarification.
K-Tec Earthmovers Inc. All I can say is thank you for clarification. I do like the thought that you don't have to purchase a dedicated 2 wheel drive unit. Your video was well made. Keep it up! Best Regards, Bob Ordewald PS. No response needed..
Saludos desde España maquinista de maquinaria pesada especialista en mototraillas CAT 631 de empuje maquinista jubilado me encanta este video siento nostalgia
I won’t get into the equipment argument. With all the stats you posted it seems the contractor can plan the job to a t? Knowing the costs associated with each pass allows the profit margin to be calculated, allowing for downtime due to breakdowns. Thanks for posting enjoyed a lot.
need side pannels on the scraper pans? a lot of dirt just spilling over the side at the 4.12 mark. every bump he hits after being loaded some more dirt falls off.
Operator error, he shouldnt have kept in the dirt that long. Theres probably over 60,000lb of dirt in there already, taller sidewalls would make for an overweight payload, plus make it easier to tip.
I wish I could find more info on cost vs a tradional scraper. Are these atd units dedicated units or do companies put beds back on occasionally? I guess you could just load the scraper
For the most jobsites once the contractor converts the ADT to a Scraper Hauler it remains as an efficient scraper unit. It may get switched back to Dump box if the contractor has a heavy rock project, or once the contractor decides to sell the ADT and returns it back to original configuration.
The best place to compare performance and costs of K-Tec versus Other earthmoving equipment is this Cost Analysis Tool: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
The contractor is pulling dirt from a borrow pit in the cut area, and is laying it out in 7 lots that appear to be the size of football fields in the video.
I have noticed that more contractors are switching to a single or double pan pulled by a big 4 wheel drive articulated farm tractor, and I see your set-up using an articulated dump power unit. Is the traditional scraper becoming a thing of the past? What exactly is the advantage of these new systems? Thanks! Cool video btw.
There are merits to both the tractor and the ADT power-units, and K-Tec provides scrapers to satisfy both of these set-ups. The answer on which power-unit type is better comes down to jobsite layout and ground conditions. Please view this video link for an informative insights on whether to choose a Tractor & Direct mount scraper, or ADT/Scraper combination for your jobsite: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
The issues I've come across when working with K-tecs are mobility issues from the longer length of the pan tractor/haul truck set ups in comparison to a 627 and a loss of traction increasing wheelspin in harder materials when self loading. But I believe the K-tecs can be very efficient and productive when used in the proper application.
Great to hear feedback from a K-Tec Operator! There is a tradeoff between having a greater capacity versus a more nimble unit. K-Tec's capacity advantage over other scraper options provides the lowest cost per cubic yard to move material leading to return on investment for the Contractor.
ceejay960 I do not like the big 8 tire John deere tractor style with scraper pans. Our biggest issues is tire, implement tire are terrible with any kind of rocky or sharp material. We have also noticed the tires tend to get hot when loaded with any longer distances. So far we haven't noticed much issues with the ADT style tractors, and it's a big plus to have tires made for hauling. If you are doing finish grade a Cat 623 paddle wheel is the way to go. But for big hauls the most cost effective ways is the ADT or Deere style tractors depending on material.
Dirtworx77 I was gonna start at tyres. Your reply is exactly correct, Respect. Two other things. Firstly, sheer volume per movement. Secondly, less jackknife and rollover problems.
K tec makes a good pan. But the trucks is not the way. If you need a push to load. That’s two driver two engines running all I see is $$$ Fuel to get a load. Wonder what hour fuel is used Cat truck 14 gal and Case tractor 10? Wow 24 gal per hour. 10 hour day. 240 gal. Two Paid employees $18 per hour. Wow!! Would this system move second the dirt in 10 hours?
These only work in flat ground with NO and I mean NO ROCKS! Just like Miskin they have only a small place compared to a Cat Scraper. Still no competition. Been proven in Colorado.
Old military M290 was a 4wheel tractor pulling a scraper So that’s been around for awhile This is a nice system for flat lands & hard Material being what appears Texas clay It’s not a application that could be used On many job sites I imagine dump area is pretty simple
It is a standard Articulated Dump Truck with the dump box removed, and a hitch installed for a scraper hauler conversion. For More information, visit: ktec.com/adt-hitch
The contractor was testing different wheel configurations for enhanced pushing traction. The Case IH in video has a steel wheels tire protection system.
Search for "manure pit" and you'll find some examples. The EPA, etc require that all waste material be kept on site and they use ponds to hold the manure, etc. until it can be spread on the fields. Yes, big expense, big problem but much better to control it at the source than try to clean up a downstream mess.
The dozers & tractor are push-assisting these high-capacity scrapers, so that they load up faster for productivity, and with higher heaped capacity for efficiency.
K-Tec's hitching system, fenders, catwalk, joystick control, and operator display screen configures seamlessly with Caterpillar ADT's, as shown in this video. The operator gets to stay in their favorite brand of power-unit, while having increased productivity with K-Tec's industry-leading, high-capacity scrapers.
Push-loading is useful when contractors already have a piece of push support-equipment on their jobsite, and wish to get faster loading cycle times, and larger heaped loads. For an efficient and affordable pusher machine, investigate the K-Tec Ox Block: ktec.com/oxblock
doesn't look very efficient compared to the older rigs that the can and truck was 1 unit and the drive wheels was behind and in front of can. they would use a push/pull method with 2 trucks rather than 2 solo trucks both being pushed by a dozer lotta extra fuel equipment and payroll
Our scrapers attach to a fuel-efficient ADT that has 1 Engine, that can travel 35MPH. To compare productivity accurately against other earthmoving equipment, please use this cost analysis tool: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
A depth gauge comes standard on scrapers in tandem configuration, so the operator may determine cutting depth visibility on the rear scraper from the cab. An optional camera system may be purchased, so that the operator has clear sight on the cutting edges of both scrapers on the ADT in-cab monitor.
Fuel economy differed depending on the scraper being pulled by the 460 Truck. On Average, 19GPH with the 1237ADT Train Scrapers; 17GPH with the 1263ADT Scraper; and 15GPH With the 1237ADT single scraper.
Artics are best suited for Hard Soil Conditions, Long Distance Hauls of over 1/2 Mile, and Projects of over 250,000 cubic yards of material to be moved. For our comprehensive power-unit selection video, please watch: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
how does the operator see what the scraper is doing when he is sitting a mile ahead of the bowl trying to look through the rear axles and tires of the tractor ?? are the seats articulated in the cab so the operator doesn't have to twist his head around like an owl to see what is going on ?? Very hard on the neck and spine, take it from a veteran scraper operator, why not have a bunch of twin engine scraper move the dirt 3X as fast by push pulling to load and way faster on the ground??a pair of cat 637 or 657 scrapers would eat those things for lunch
The factory back-up camera on the truck is re-positioned to have an excellent view of the cutting edge. An efficient scraper operator needs only to look forward, by viewing the camera screen to know when the load is optimized. This eliminates any need for twisting neck or adjusting seat. The benefits of using a pull-pan scraper with the ADT allow for 1 operator labor and 1 engine fuel expense to perform the task of self-loading, transporting, and spreading the material in a fast and efficient cycle time. Please try our cost analysis calculator to see the savings and return on investment of the K-Tec scraper compared to other earthmoving equipment combinations: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
To determine the lowest cost per cubic yard to move material for this project, please investigate the cost analysis tool to compare other methods of earthmoving to the K-Tec solution: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
Thanks for the reply but I like my elevator and push and pulls I'm sure you have a good product but mine has been there and done and then some still going strong from the late 60's early 70's but you pan looks better than most I've dealt with do you have an ejector option
Thank you for the positive feedback on K-Tec's structural appearance. All of K-Tec's scrapers come standard with a hydraulic powered ejector that extends to the edge of the floor to cleanly push out material. K-Tec's ADT scrapers enable operator friendly joystick ejector setting options including: Manual Eject, Semi Automatic Mode 1 & 2, and Automatic Ejector Mode for ideal performance.
Would primarily be for safety reasons to keep the dust down on the jobsite to prevent accidents, and improve operator visibility for performance efficiency.
Working on a job right now with the Volvo haul truck pulling a double can configuration. I don't like them. The truck is way under powered and extremely under breaked for two cans. Twin engine scrapers out run these in every way.
For best practices on enhanced operating performance of K-Tec Scrapers and ADT's, please review our Operator's Training Video: th-cam.com/video/TePnXOi2X1Q/w-d-xo.html If you are running K-Tec tandem scrapers behind the Volvo ADT, please send us a message on your jobsite location, and we will have a scraper product specialist swing by your site and investigate your operation to maximize performance.
Twin engine scrappers are slow turds that take forever loading and can't even get a full load 80% of the time . I run circles around those high maintenance piles of shit with my big Challenger with the mighty eject pans, plus I don't need another man and machine pushing me around all day . You are obviously a rookie
I’m glad to hear that, even though the video mentioned a lower gallon per hour fuel burn I can’t stand to see Volvo on American work sites I know I’m going to get crap for that Statement but I don’t like Volvo. I’m a Nationalist always have been I want to see more American brand equipment and not foreign anything let the foreigners buy our stuff. I know that’s not going to happen however that’s my sentiment.
It is funny how people are reluctant to even look into a better way of doing things. Look at the excavator, so many people thought it was good for digging trenches, now it is used for everything.
Here is an online earthmoving cost analysis tool that can help you compare K-tec scrapers with other methods of earthmoving equipment. Fuel efficiency is a great contributor to jobsite profitability: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
@@KTecEarthmovers your fuel calculations don't seem to include the push tractors. I think that operational costs including their fuel consumption is required to figure total operating costs. Once you include that fuel cost, I'd be surprised if they beat a regular scraper. Those trucks don't have enough tractive power to self load, especially tandem pans. However, 74 cut yards at 25 mph on a longer haul isn't bad. Plus the simplicity of maintenance compared to regular scrapers with all truck chassis could be a win?
@@Braap250 Most of our scraper applications assume that the easy-loading K-Tec scraper is in a self-loading scenario. If you have specific sites that require pushloading, please email Sales@ktec.com as we do have additional calculator features to factor into operating costs of supporting earthmoving equipment.
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That's awesome! The operator doesn't seem to get bounced around all over the place either - comes home with his/her guts pretty much in the same place.
The truck pulled scrapers have a smoother ride. If youre the operator you will like this at the end of ten hours!
I like heavy equipment. The operator is a very good skill. Very good engine sound. Thank you from Japan.
the iconic purple accents 👍 I live near Rosenort and every time I see a pan I look for colors. always take pride knowing that's a MB product even though I don't build them.
1st time I ever saw trucks pulling scrapers.. Looks cool.
Like the tandem scrapers too
The biggest advantage i see is to be able to double duty a machine you all ready have and to cut down on cost and overhead.
Its not something new to the market but, is growing faster everyday.
Yes, the advantage is certainly there to utilize extra Trucks that may be sitting idle in a fleet for better asset utilization. It is also an easier transition to develop truck operators to become scraper operators. K-Tec is the industry pioneer of the ADT/Scraper concept, and have refined the productivity of this effective earthmoving combination since 2007, to continue this growing market year over year!
Impressive, all the Mountains have been graded out for Miles. Lol.
Superb video! Music, editing, overlays, tech info and aerial photography! Just excellent. Miss the howling Detroits though... ;)
Howling Detroit's for you. This Tandem ts-14 has 3 471's th-cam.com/video/CJTg3zFFphg/w-d-xo.html
@@mattbeckmann8101 Beast! Never seen a double bottom TS! Thanks!
As a proud Canadian, an earthmoving nerd in search of the true best solution for any job, and someone with a lot of experience with WTS, I am always conflicted when watching your videos. I think overall I lean towards WTS (637K push pull or 631K push loaded would be great for this job), but for long flat hauls, for operator comfort, and for the initial investment I understand the attraction of pull pans. For longevity, maneuverability, steep grades, and reduced time in the cut its hard to beat WTS. Plus I'm not dive bombing a canyon wall trying to pull as much of the mountain down with me as I can with a pan setup like you can with a WTS. Keep up the good work and maybe someday you'll start making some with motors attached :)
Thank you for continually following our channel! We encourage your company to fill out a demonstration application form to try out our efficient scrapers to compare them on your site against other earthmoving scraper machines to experience the Massive Advantage first hand: ktec.com/on-site-demo-application
That is some serious dirt moving.
Caterpillar and Case IH and new Holland and versatile tractors are the number one that construction company's use
We realize that some contractors will have their own preference in power-unit brand, so we manufacture custom hitches for all of the above brands that you have listed! For more information, please visit: ktec.com/the-solution/your-existing-power-unit/
That is some serious money running there but if you going to run with the big dogs you better have the equipment to get the job done hats off to the company that owns this equipment
What a therapeutic video!!! THANK YOU😊
A good idea these pieces are, if belts are not an option and they aren't for 800,000 yards. The Denver airport was a 6 million yard job and belts were used to move soil. I have seen belts
used in Levy Gravel quarries where material was moved for miles without operators.
657 would run circles around those thjngs
They would be neat with a hydraulic drive trailer wheels just for loading. (Unlocked for traveling). There are some good epicyclic hubs about in the magazines (diesel progress)
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627 cutting the hard ground. Trucks cant work in heavy mud, hydraulics continually break and leak on the pans. Trucks comes to almost stop when unloading. Wont work a 10 hr day without refueling. Can't make a step cut or cut on a slope. Made for flat medium pack dirt.
To see the K-Tec scraper excel on your own jobsite, please apply for a free product demonstration: ktec.com/on-site-demo-application
The profitability of these machines for your earthmoving operation will enhance your bottom line: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
Side raising plates! Chuck a couple on each bowl and you’d be the market leader!
For folks not familiar with the Texas Plains look at the horizon -- this is FLAT country. I grew up near there and love to be able to see storms before they get to me!
We had box graders nailed in the 70’s, so what changed ? Well, machine costs and versatility. Why build a specialist twin engined unit when a dump truck chassis pushed by an agri tractor can do the same work. It is fascinating how ideas and technology go back and forth over the decades :o)
I work for the company shown in the video and also run various different scrapers and in terms of scraper comfort the adt is far superior and the k-tec is the most enjoyable to control but the 627K and H are my favorite scrapers
I'm a scraper operator looking for a job I run 6 23s 631-650-1657 ran most all scrapers end dumps Dozer a little bit not much but know how to run one not finish living Azle Texas whereabouts are y'all located at local 12 Union operator California move back home run scrapers here now Landscaping
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was surprised to see the haul road speed was only 25mph with using adt. i thought the point of using those vs tractors was travel speed. tractors haul at 25mph...
25 mph was the conservative average haul road speed throughout the duration of the entire project, which includes acceleration and deceleration into and out of the cut and fill zone. For the other benefits of ADT/Scraper combinations vs tractor/scrapers,please view the video: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
I do miss the conventional scrappers. If this is the future of scrappers I'm glad I went to work for the Railroad.
No, it is not the future of scrapers. These things are cobbled together.
They look like haul trucks with the bed removed an a goose neck hitch added lol
Impressive! I spent a few years turning dirt and I don't believe any of the companies I worked for moved that fast
2.5 minutes is a bit to long in the cut compared to traditional scrapers. 57s push pulling are cutting for no longer than 60s, 51s 20 to 30 tripling dirt moved. They may haul more at once but traditonal scrapers move fast cut quicker
That's 2.5 minutes in the cut zone, the average cut time for our 63 cu. yard scraper (1263 ADT) on this jobsite was 80-90 seconds as shown in the video.
You chose the best and only place for your best results. We own four and our 627gs out work these hand down. They require alot of babysitting. We are in ohio.
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Thats one efficient operation 👍🏼
Stupid question but if you need a second machine to push them, why would you use a scraper over an excavator and dump truck? Is due to precision in depth or something like that?
Imagine getting some of the big mine trucks and making a giant pan for those.
850,000 yds. in 1.5 months. pretty good, I'd say.
What is the benefit over using more tradition power units when pulling the pans? To keep costs down I would think a draw bar arrangement on the back of a Volvo dump pulling a 2 wheel sulky would work well. It would also avoid the expense of taking the trailer bed off.
OR
Mount the 5th wheel arrangement in the dump bed of the Volvo. This would add some traction and again save time and expense - of course disable the dump lift and chain the bed down while using the truck in this configuration.
Am I off base?
Thanks!
Hello Bob, Here are a few considerations on why we utilize the Articulated Dump Truck Chassis Frame:
The position of our hitch enables better visibility to the scraper cutting edge, and a shorter overall unit length. It also provides for a very tight turning radius. The removal of the dump box takes approximately a day to complete, however, that enables the shedding of approximately 20,000 lbs of extra tare weight that would slow down scraper production for the operator. Please reply for further discussions or clarification.
K-Tec Earthmovers Inc. All I can say is thank you for clarification.
I do like the thought that you don't have to purchase a dedicated 2 wheel drive unit.
Your video was well made. Keep it up!
Best Regards,
Bob Ordewald
PS. No response needed..
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That's a hell of a lot of work and fuel going into that job!
Its interesting, but looks like it would get boring really quick!
Let that money stimulate your ass lol
but I get what you're saying
What is the gross weight of a loaded unit, like the one at the 5:00 mark?
Each Individual Scraper Gross Weight fully loaded in the example would be estimated at 125,000lb
Amazing team work !
Volvo seems to be using 3 Gals less fuel per hr than Cat, even pulling a double can..not surprised!
How can you see fuel consumption while watching a video?
Saludos desde España maquinista de maquinaria pesada especialista en mototraillas CAT 631 de empuje maquinista jubilado me encanta este video siento nostalgia
Nicely done.
Good use of the drone.
Now that’s moving dirt American style!!🇺🇸😎
I won’t get into the equipment argument. With all the stats you posted it seems the contractor can plan the job to a t? Knowing the costs associated with each pass allows the profit margin to be calculated, allowing for downtime due to breakdowns. Thanks for posting enjoyed a lot.
Why the music. I tuned I for the machinery. Done in a fraction of the duration of the video. Why do you do this???
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I bet you could move enough food with this fleet to keep Rosie o Donnel fed.
What are they making? It looks like a long pond.
need side pannels on the scraper pans? a lot of dirt just spilling over the side at the 4.12 mark. every bump he hits after being loaded some more dirt falls off.
Operator error, he shouldnt have kept in the dirt that long. Theres probably over 60,000lb of dirt in there already, taller sidewalls would make for an overweight payload, plus make it easier to tip.
I wish I could find more info on cost vs a tradional scraper. Are these atd units dedicated units or do companies put beds back on occasionally? I guess you could just load the scraper
For the most jobsites once the contractor converts the ADT to a Scraper Hauler it remains as an efficient scraper unit. It may get switched back to Dump box if the contractor has a heavy rock project, or once the contractor decides to sell the ADT and returns it back to original configuration.
The best place to compare performance and costs of K-Tec versus Other earthmoving equipment is this Cost Analysis Tool: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
I didn't quite get what this job is about.... Are they flattening the landscape for agriculture? Or digging a lake?
The contractor is pulling dirt from a borrow pit in the cut area, and is laying it out in 7 lots that appear to be the size of football fields in the video.
The pond being dug will hold the manure and run-off until it can be applied to the fields.
Why did they have to move it and what did they do with the dirt?
moved more and quicker with old push pull terexs. but great footage
I have noticed that more contractors are switching to a single or double pan pulled by a big 4 wheel drive articulated farm tractor, and I see your set-up using an articulated dump power unit. Is the traditional scraper becoming a thing of the past? What exactly is the advantage of these new systems? Thanks! Cool video btw.
There are merits to both the tractor and the ADT power-units, and K-Tec provides scrapers to satisfy both of these set-ups. The answer on which power-unit type is better comes down to jobsite layout and ground conditions. Please view this video link for an informative insights on whether to choose a Tractor & Direct mount scraper, or ADT/Scraper combination for your jobsite: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
The issues I've come across when working with K-tecs are mobility issues from the longer length of the pan tractor/haul truck set ups in comparison to a 627 and a loss of traction increasing wheelspin in harder materials when self loading. But I believe the K-tecs can be very efficient and productive when used in the proper application.
Great to hear feedback from a K-Tec Operator! There is a tradeoff between having a greater capacity versus a more nimble unit. K-Tec's capacity advantage over other scraper options provides the lowest cost per cubic yard to move material leading to return on investment for the Contractor.
ceejay960 I do not like the big 8 tire John deere tractor style with scraper pans. Our biggest issues is tire, implement tire are terrible with any kind of rocky or sharp material. We have also noticed the tires tend to get hot when loaded with any longer distances. So far we haven't noticed much issues with the ADT style tractors, and it's a big plus to have tires made for hauling. If you are doing finish grade a Cat 623 paddle wheel is the way to go. But for big hauls the most cost effective ways is the ADT or Deere style tractors depending on material.
Dirtworx77 I was gonna start at tyres. Your reply is exactly correct, Respect. Two other things. Firstly, sheer volume per movement. Secondly, less jackknife and rollover problems.
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What you doing? Is a reservoir?
Manure pit.
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Impressive..... most impressive...
More impressive is that they are killing the Basques etc.
SFR(Sheep Foot Roller)Used For Consolidation.
K tec makes a good pan. But the trucks is not the way. If you need a push to load. That’s two driver two engines running all
I see is $$$ Fuel to get a load. Wonder what hour fuel is used Cat truck 14 gal and Case tractor 10? Wow 24 gal per hour. 10 hour day. 240 gal. Two Paid employees $18 per hour.
Wow!! Would this system move second the dirt in 10 hours?
Just wasting fuel pushing them with dozers if u chip the 740 up to 600 + horse theres no need for a dozer. And yesi own 3 of these ktec setups
It's about weight and traction. Those trucks can have 2000hp , but if you dont have the weight and traction you are just spinning trying to self load.
These only work in flat ground with NO and I mean NO ROCKS! Just like Miskin they have only a small place compared to a Cat Scraper. Still no competition. Been proven in Colorado.
Big in Texas!, looks like the volvo a bit under powered? great video
Here is a video of Volvo's 60 Ton truck pulling K-Tec's largest scrapers: th-cam.com/video/ftQQ4uNauJQ/w-d-xo.html
Old military M290 was a 4wheel tractor pulling a scraper
So that’s been around for awhile
This is a nice system for flat lands & hard
Material being what appears Texas clay
It’s not a application that could be used
On many job sites
I imagine dump area is pretty simple
Put some real scrapers on the job like cat 637 push pull.
Or a couple 657s.
Are those cat ejector trucks converted to scrapers?
It is a standard Articulated Dump Truck with the dump box removed, and a hitch installed for a scraper hauler conversion. For More information, visit: ktec.com/adt-hitch
NOW THATS HOW ITS DONE..
Nice vid 👍
Are those steel shoes on the case IH push tractor?
The contractor was testing different wheel configurations for enhanced pushing traction. The Case IH in video has a steel wheels tire protection system.
i would suggest to drop the tire pressure to 10 psi and add maximum ballast so the tractor weight is at least 25000kg
What are they doing with this large 20 foot deep area,. Anyway to find and post a video of it's engineered use upon completion ?
Search for "manure pit" and you'll find some examples. The EPA, etc require that all waste material be kept on site and they use ponds to hold the manure, etc. until it can be spread on the fields. Yes, big expense, big problem but much better to control it at the source than try to clean up a downstream mess.
@ 2:00 what is the dozer doing behind the scraper?
The dozers & tractor are push-assisting these high-capacity scrapers, so that they load up faster for productivity, and with higher heaped capacity for efficiency.
Для чего они это делают ?
cat is the best ever built and made in america
K-Tec's hitching system, fenders, catwalk, joystick control, and operator display screen configures seamlessly with Caterpillar ADT's, as shown in this video. The operator gets to stay in their favorite brand of power-unit, while having increased productivity with K-Tec's industry-leading, high-capacity scrapers.
What is the purpose of pushing the scraper?
Push-loading is useful when contractors already have a piece of push support-equipment on their jobsite, and wish to get faster loading cycle times, and larger heaped loads. For an efficient and affordable pusher machine, investigate the K-Tec Ox Block: ktec.com/oxblock
what are the tires on the case push unit
That was a demonstration of a tire protection solution: www.gkbeq.com/gkb-equipment-tire-protection.aspx
doesn't look very efficient compared to the older rigs that the can and truck was 1 unit and the drive wheels was behind and in front of can. they would use a push/pull method with 2 trucks rather than 2 solo trucks both being pushed by a dozer lotta extra fuel equipment and payroll
Put it up against 627E,F,G. Speed will make up for alot. This is to much fuel, and to slow.
Our scrapers attach to a fuel-efficient ADT that has 1 Engine, that can travel 35MPH. To compare productivity accurately against other earthmoving equipment, please use this cost analysis tool: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
I would like to get several of those
In the tandem configuration can the operator see either cutting edge ?
A depth gauge comes standard on scrapers in tandem configuration, so the operator may determine cutting depth visibility on the rear scraper from the cab.
An optional camera system may be purchased, so that the operator has clear sight on the cutting edges of both scrapers on the ADT in-cab monitor.
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At the beginning it said a Deere 460 was on site....what kind of fuel economy was it working at?
Fuel economy differed depending on the scraper being pulled by the 460 Truck. On Average, 19GPH with the 1237ADT Train Scrapers; 17GPH with the 1263ADT Scraper; and 15GPH With the 1237ADT single scraper.
Very slow load times and cycle times.
My explanation: Farming Sim with mods
I do like the use of artic's for a power unit. At what cy and haul distance are these units best utilized?
Artics are best suited for Hard Soil Conditions, Long Distance Hauls of over 1/2 Mile, and Projects of over 250,000 cubic yards of material to be moved. For our comprehensive power-unit selection video, please watch: th-cam.com/video/pUKuGlLMw-M/w-d-xo.html
how does the operator see what the scraper is doing when he is sitting a mile ahead of the bowl trying to look through the rear axles and tires of the tractor ?? are the seats articulated in the cab so the operator doesn't have to twist his head around like an owl to see what is going on ?? Very hard on the neck and spine, take it from a veteran scraper operator, why not have a bunch of twin engine scraper move the dirt 3X as fast by push pulling to load and way faster on the ground??a pair of cat 637 or 657 scrapers would eat those things for lunch
The factory back-up camera on the truck is re-positioned to have an excellent view of the cutting edge. An efficient scraper operator needs only to look forward, by viewing the camera screen to know when the load is optimized. This eliminates any need for twisting neck or adjusting seat. The benefits of using a pull-pan scraper with the ADT allow for 1 operator labor and 1 engine fuel expense to perform the task of self-loading, transporting, and spreading the material in a fast and efficient cycle time. Please try our cost analysis calculator to see the savings and return on investment of the K-Tec scraper compared to other earthmoving equipment combinations: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
just get and old terex push pull and be done
To determine the lowest cost per cubic yard to move material for this project, please investigate the cost analysis tool to compare other methods of earthmoving to the K-Tec solution:
ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
Thanks for the reply but I like my elevator and push and pulls I'm sure you have a good product but mine has been there and done and then some still going strong from the late 60's early 70's but you pan looks better than most I've dealt with do you have an ejector option
Thank you for the positive feedback on K-Tec's structural appearance. All of K-Tec's scrapers come standard with a hydraulic powered ejector that extends to the edge of the floor to cleanly push out material. K-Tec's ADT scrapers enable operator friendly joystick ejector setting options including: Manual Eject, Semi Automatic Mode 1 & 2, and Automatic Ejector Mode for ideal performance.
BUT WHY? Would anyone dig such a large hole?
csmaster65 it's probably going to be a holding Pond for something more than likely manure
I’d pay to know how much they get paid per yard.
Are those solid tires on the quadtrac?
They are factory tires, with an added aftermarket steel Tire Protection System installed ontop.
Muito bom
Why do they use so much water before they do this ?
Would primarily be for safety reasons to keep the dust down on the jobsite to prevent accidents, and improve operator visibility for performance efficiency.
amazing
Working on a job right now with the Volvo haul truck pulling a double can configuration. I don't like them. The truck is way under powered and extremely under breaked for two cans. Twin engine scrapers out run these in every way.
For best practices on enhanced operating performance of K-Tec Scrapers and ADT's, please review our Operator's Training Video: th-cam.com/video/TePnXOi2X1Q/w-d-xo.html
If you are running K-Tec tandem scrapers behind the Volvo ADT, please send us a message on your jobsite location, and we will have a scraper product specialist swing by your site and investigate your operation to maximize performance.
Twin engine scrappers are slow turds that take forever loading and can't even get a full load 80% of the time . I run circles around those high maintenance piles of shit with my big Challenger with the mighty eject pans, plus I don't need another man and machine pushing me around all day . You are obviously a rookie
Kelly Kolnes so just because someone has a preference that differs from yours makes him a rookie?
I’m glad to hear that, even though the video mentioned a lower gallon per hour fuel burn I can’t stand to see Volvo on American work sites I know I’m going to get crap for that Statement but I don’t like Volvo. I’m a Nationalist always have been I want to see more American brand equipment and not foreign anything let the foreigners buy our stuff. I know that’s not going to happen however that’s my sentiment.
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Are you guys a union outfit ?
You could move more fort by putting it in a 18wheeler trailer I bet most of the fort won't fall it eaither
When conditions are right a pan is much more efficient at moving dirt than any truck
It is funny how people are reluctant to even look into a better way of doing things. Look at the excavator, so many people thought it was good for digging trenches, now it is used for everything.
It's all about using the most efficient machine for the job! #MassiveAdvantage
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I ran some terex 22s that were way faster an hauled more. God bless the Detroit diesel!!
Here is an online earthmoving cost analysis tool that can help you compare K-tec scrapers with other methods of earthmoving equipment. Fuel efficiency is a great contributor to jobsite profitability: ktec.com/the-solution/your-cost-per-yard/cost-analysis-tool
@@KTecEarthmovers your fuel calculations don't seem to include the push tractors. I think that operational costs including their fuel consumption is required to figure total operating costs. Once you include that fuel cost, I'd be surprised if they beat a regular scraper. Those trucks don't have enough tractive power to self load, especially tandem pans. However, 74 cut yards at 25 mph on a longer haul isn't bad. Plus the simplicity of maintenance compared to regular scrapers with all truck chassis could be a win?
@@Braap250 Most of our scraper applications assume that the easy-loading K-Tec scraper is in a self-loading scenario. If you have specific sites that require pushloading, please email Sales@ktec.com as we do have additional calculator features to factor into operating costs of supporting earthmoving equipment.
Nice
COOL
Wheres the propane?! No Texan can be seen without his trusty propane torch...