Swapping Unraid Parity Drive with Shucked WD drive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
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@@Bytemybits better than sloppy seconds!
Also do you have to stop the array before poping the disk out?
Keeping a simple spreadsheet or drawing of your drive shelf with /dev/sda,/dev/sdb, etc. or Serial # is the easiest solution. A little prep work goes a long way when it comes to maintenance down the line!
Serial number in unraid and serial number on drive simple solution. ;)
your early plex and unraid content is what inspired me to make my first unraid server
hey FYI
since you're using a hotswap case/slots there is a feature in unraid to spin up individual disks. Thus you can see via the drive activity which on it actually is without guessing. and even if your server is in a seperate location, you can just do it from your phone.
was thinking the same thing!!!
cat /dev/sda > /dev/null will solid blink the light on your drive. change 'sda' to drive you are looking for. very useful for determining which drive is which.
Good thinking 👍
"Mounting Diskkkkksssss" at 6:34 😂
Do you have a build list of Zeus? Like what hardware and parts are in it?
he has a video on it th-cam.com/video/Ur7qWYH5F-s/w-d-xo.html
Use server layout plugin from community apps allowing you to setup what drives are in what slot
something i noticed messing around with unraid if you wanted to is to take a screenshot of your drives because it lists them by Serial Number then shut her down and pull the drives 1 by 1 and mark them as the serial number is written on the drive label.
ACTUALLY, it turned out to be Nov 2020 when BB had 14 TB WD “easystore” models for $189.99/ea which turned out to be white label 5400 CMR EDFZs! Two years later (Nov 2022) they had inflated to $199.99 and contained white label 7200 CMR EDGZs. ALL of them carry a 2 yr warranty… shuckin’ can turn out for the better 👍
You could take a hair dryer on max heat and heat each drive up one at a time and watch the temps to see which one is which
You know, you can easily tell which drives are which because Unraid tracks by SERIAL NUMBER of the drive, it reports the serial number in the gui and you can query the devices at the command line. Every drive has the S/N printed on it. Also, before you put a new drive into an Unraid server, always preclear it and for a new parity drive I usually do minimum 3 cycles of preclear (pre-read, zero, post-read, and verify), this exercises the drive thoroughly and helps prevent putting a prematurely failing drive into the parity position. Also, you don't get any safer swapping one parity out vs the other, the array is still unprotected until parity is rebuilt. You should have swapped both parities at the same time.
Absolutely loving the set up!
Very informative video! yt had this as a video suggestion for me. I had no idea that unraid and freenas were different with respect to parity location. In freenas the parity is distributed across each drive. I would not have know this without watching your video. Thanks!
Well, it is one year later and 12 TB drives are on sale for $179.99.
On the wiki there is a method of copying the old parity to the new without haveing to to have it rebild. It is alot less resource intense on your server
14TB at BestBuy today for $199.99. Not sure how long that deal will last.
being able to expand the pool, is one reason I am considering unraid right now..., also, being able to assign a graphics card to a vm on it..., otherwise, I was going to rebuild my freenas....
Right now Best Buy has the WD EasyStore 14TB drives on sale for $245.
Very curious about the longevity of those white drives.... they're cheaper for a reason. I'm not at a point where I'm comfortable using them in my NAS... but would like to be!
I have seen so many guys loose everything when doing raid rebuilds by selecting wrong options or drives.
This is why I expand one drive at a time and have cold copies of each drive.
What I sacrifice in speed I gain in piece of mind.
I'm surprised hdd's don't come with a couple of little status leds that could blink to help with finding it in a large pool.
You could just spin down the drive and watch the led change.
Loved this video. Hadn't seen this done. But, what's problematic for me to understand, is that it looks like the full 10tb won't be used for long time. If the system is locked at using (up to) the min size in all of the array, looks like the full 10tb won't be used. Looks like he's only using 4tb -- if smallest is 4tb of that 10tb. But, I haven't done raid-0 (other than striping on my main pc for speed). But, on my server, I'm not using raid and just a JBOD configuration. Anyway, love these videos, and this is best channel (all most) on YT. I really like what he always does at BMB ... I never miss a video ...
Okay, I rewatched first 2 minutes. I get what he is saying now. He has a max of 8tb drives, given that the parities (currently) are 8tb drives. So, I do see why he is exchanging for 10tb. But, seems like -- lot of the drive will be wasted until he upgraded all of the drives. Don't know -- I'd sell the small drives and invest in new biggers on credit. But, again, that's me.
Hey Jason, could you comment on Shingled Magnetic Record (SMR) used in a lot of consumer hard drive (like 2-6TB WD Red, most today's desktop drive, external drives) ? There are user report that some heavy load of write (especially random write) cause SMR drive slow to respond, as a result, the NAS software (FreeNAS, other ZFS, Synology) or RAID controller think the drive going bad and kick it out. Unraid maybe is more immune to this, but it could still happen on rebuilding array (when read/write are intensive). A lot of new USB external drives are now SMR, shucking drives maybe is less reliable compare to the "old days". Thanks!
I love the video always enjoy seeing your Zeus system and the tinkering you do on it.
I noticed you live in the Wichita Metro area. Cool to find a youtuber that is someone I follow. Keep on keepin on! Good work.
Love the new Studio. Lighting is on point
Really? We still don't know if these drives have that power pin issue?
You forget a very important step: run a preclear on the drives BEFORE. To be sure they are good and can sustain the read/write...
I think he did that before he shucked them
Ever since u raid 6.5, my preclear commands freeze up, wont even start it :(
@@Bytemybits, I've experienced this with a different plugin & I'd suggest an un & re-install of preclear.
Byte My Bits make a Ubuntu flash drive. Boot up and run badblocks cmd. Takes a day. Drives that will go bad generally fail near the beginning of their life
Your eyes look awesome with the reflection.
Did it work like you planned? If you only have one parity drive, what would be your advice on how to upgrade to 2 drives of larger capacity for dual parity? Thanks
so i take it the hard drives you got didnt have an extra pin on the sata power port?
Not all power supplies send 3.3v over the sata cables.
Just going from molex power to SATA avoids the 3.3v line.
Best buy 10tb $179 22-24th Same drives
Just curious as to what disk shelf your using there.
Don't you have to pre-clear? It's been a while I didn't install a new HDD in my unRaid tower...
Preclear for parity is not necessary. But it's a good test to make sure your drive will not fail short after.
No preclear.. wtf?!? The balls
Preclear on brand new drives is unnecessary.
@@aaronjackson1143 ok, you trust those newly shipped drives. I'll play it safe.
I second that. just got new WD Red Pro for parity and started the preclear, I don't want to find that some sectors are bad/unreadable/etc with real data
You don't have a spreadsheet with your server layout?
Ideally, that should be done very early on in your build to avoid the guesswork like you had to do. A simple, this drivebay = this drive + serial number and warranty expiry is good to have.
Why unraid over freenas? This could be a video for you. I feel like I do a lot of the same things as you but I use freenas. Just curious the differences.
I know what you mean on drive capacity sneaking up on you. Just a few years ago I scoffed at the idea of ever having 22Tb of data like the friend who introduced me to PLEX. Now I have a Supermicro 4U 24 bay case with only one slot left open and I need to fill it ASAP. Fortunately, I sort had planned for the eventuality and have a 2U 12 drive bay JBOD box in the wings waiting to be deployed. Just got to replace the loud-ass P/S first. Great stuff!!
Lol. A few years I thought 4TB was plenty for our home needs. Boy was I wrong 😅
Do you have any Ubiquity stuff?
Each drive has serial number. How hard it can be?
Good idea to swap only one at the time !:)
God please use a softbox you look like a robot with that ring light🤣
why didn't you add the 10Tb to an empty slot and select it as parody drive in the first slot? does position matter? or was this just to keep your parody drives in a known location?
THIS. Could have left the 8TB in there and just added the 10TB to one of the bottom two sleds that are empty. Jason, you make more work for yourself man!
thank you! It was very helpful
Hey a drive magically appeared in the background 1:16 to 1:18 nice trick ✌
What is your current % space availability of your usable (non-parity) space? Do your TH-cam videos take up a large percentage of your space?
So you didn't have to deal with that third pin on the shucked drive? It worked without tampering?
not in my server, but my servers backplate doesn't have the 3rd pin power connected already. I did however put the 8TB version of this is my regular PC and it did not initialize. So they doe require, at least some, a 3rd pin mod.
Why don't you buy an external drive shelf? Like an md1200
How do you make yours say “Zeus” in the top left instead of the default that shows the version number?
your eyes! is that the led around the camera?
gaming with egoon its called a ring flash or ring light and it goes around the lense.
I preclear first before I install a new drive. It takes time but makes me feel more secure about the process.
You need some sound dampening foam in that room. :)
I'd love to hear how long it took to run the parity sync. And what sort of CPU utilization it took. I know you've got dual CPU's so it probably didn't make a difference, but for my setup it might make a large difference.
Took 24 hours to rebuild parity, not sure on cpu usage
Hi Peter, I’m currently upgrading my parity like in this video. I’m 4 hours in but unRAID is showing estimated 24 hours total to rebuild parity - like Jason, running at about 100-150MB/s. I’m running dual Intel Xeon L5640 and unRAID is jumping between 8-15%. I have a few dockers running as well, but they are mostly dormant right now
The biggest bottle neck for a parity rebuild i believe is the slowest read or write speed (read from existing drives / write to the new drive - whatever is the slowest). Since the parity rebuild is mostly each bit of all your drives added together to calculate the parity, it’s not very CPU intensive to do 0+1+0+0+1+1=1
Good video but got to ask what is on it that is taking up so much space?? I got my own Unraid media server and have a ton of movies on it 250+ and are no where near as full as yours.
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250 would seem like a ton, til you've been doing this for years. Personally have 2,100 movies and 42,000 TV show episodes on my server atm. Grows every week.
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How long did it took to rebuild the parity? Hours? Days?
about 24hrs
what case are you using?
Put a defuser on your lighting. Your eyes are creeping me out!
My OCD wouldn't allow me to put only one screw in.
Hi.. I am looking to make a small unraid/FreeNAS server with Ryzen 3 with Dell PERC H700 for my house. I take a lot of pictures so I need to have some kind of backup. Which one would you recommend unraid/FreeNAS?
Keep nerdin' out. It's interesting to us too or we wouldn't be here :D
The amount of "Gigity" in this video is intense.
Can you Clone a Parity Drive, instead of rebuild??
I would highly not recommend it but I am not shure
Here in November of 2019 and they had 12TB drives for under $200 X-D
I Always put an ID on my drives to remember purchase date & warenty initial i/o etc easy with qrcode. Isn't there a command to tell what drive is linked to what sata port?
I also put info on my drives-with a label maker. I like the QR code idea better, though! (If nothing else, unRAID does identify every drive by its serial number, which is also included on the outside of the drive, so it's pretty easy to be sure you're swapping out the correct drive.)
How do you change a dead drive? Is it the same process?
Andrew Moore
Exactly the same.
Maybe you have done this before..but maybe an instructional video on UnRAID and why you like it better than other solutions
Since those 10tb drives are not NAS drives...how reliable are they for a server?
The consensus is that the WD white labels are the same as the red labels, with the 3.3v pin reset. So it will behave like a red drive.
For the price they don't need to be super reliable. Just imo.
I'll take the old 4tb drives :P
Jason, do you ever just sit back and enjoy a movie? What are you doing?!?!?!?
Info on screen setup please
Can someone tell me: How do you do your actual backup? And how much storage do you use?
asbestinuS Jason has mentioned he has no back up beyond raid. Some people do mirrored systems, some do cold storage back ups, some back up to nas
@@plexnbrown760 thank you for your reply. So he has no important data then? Because RAID is no backup, every IT guy knows that.
FreeNAS doesn't care if you put the drives back in the same bays....just an FYI.
Neither does unRAID. Doesn't even matter if they're on the same controller.
if you're using a cheesy power supply it will not work no problems with corsair power supply 80 gold
Can you build a plex server with 4k HDR? How much space to you need for 300 4k movies?
Michael Walker a lot. I have a few 4K rips on my server but none of it matters unless you have the processing power to transcode them. Personally, my 4K movies are only available to me on my living room setup where I can direct play them.
@@DrDrewsAdventures So what would you recommend for a system that can hold over 300 4k movies with HDR. Please tell me what computer system you recommend with plex clients. I have 6 tv with HDR and 4k in my house.
Michael Walker basically, id recommend something like what’s in this video to store and process all that data. As for clients, I personally love my Nvidia Shield TV. It does plex 4K HDR10 and Atmos/DTS-X pass through. Unfortunately it doesn’t do Dolby Vision but maybe in the near future.
@@DrDrewsAdventures If it does DTS X and Dolby atmos, im more than happy. Does it store uhd Blueray without compression? Meaning is the quality as good as Kaleidoscope solution (which starts at $9,000).
1 year later 12tb 179.99
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Please send me your media files.......... I need more movies and TV hahahahahha
Your eyeballs look strange with that halo lighting.
Your lights are creating a halo in your eyes.
Try moving the lights a bit.
I have never even used unraid but I know it has an identify option, you could have used that...........
So excited for future you..
🤣. Your are living through my nightmare. My greatest sympathy goes out to you.
Do more!
I got these for $165
You made my video. ha ha ha . You didnt run preclear on the drives?
Since unraid 6.5, my preclear freezes up. Wont even start it
What is Zeus? Sorry I’m new and starting to create my media server need lots of help using a Mac
his media server that is very over powered and expensive ha
WD drives. Hmmmm. Do people still rely on those?
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