I understand the one Forest in the land base is for Bushwhack, but you have no double-green spells in the list. That means if you're even casting Bushwhack, you already have all the green you need. The odds of missing turn-4 Obliterator are higher than (a) needing to cast two separate fight spells, (b) having an Obliterator on board already, (c) having two fight spells in your hand, AND (d) having two green sources to cast them.
It can be relevant to cast two fight spells on one turn, for instance to beat instant-speed removal. Also is important to have an out to Demolition Field on your green source.
@@davidhansen5067 it is also possible for your opponent to Boseiju you before your second turn. Starting triome with swamps in hand, Boseiju would be devastating without the forest
@@derekcline950 Huh? You just get another Triome if they Boseiju. Demofield/Ruin makes more sense, but it only wrecks you if they have one in hand before turn 5-6, they choose to activate it that early instead of being proactive, and you don't have 2+ green sources. As someone who plays a suite of colorless lands in Mono-W including the fields, I'm not activating that early unless I have absolutely nothing else to do.
Seth, you are a cornerstone of my magic world, a sensei in the ways of magic, one of a few. Just to say it, and only my view of things. Love the things you do and how, as a magic fan. Keep it up!
I actually respond "smiley" to most losses as long as the game was well fought, especially if opponent is playing something interesting. I'll respond "frowny" if it's the fifth t3 Greasefang of the day or my opponent's first three plays of the game were counters, but even then, I'm sure it's because I'm paying mostly midrange.
I've been using a Boros Deck in Standard. Focuses around "Repair and Recharge" to bring back the new Emperor or Portal. Tons of creatures with looting or draw at 2 cmc. Invoke Justice also with a couple copies
@12:25 wouldn't it have been more wise to attack with the obliterator you have on board, if they block they trade and still sacrifice if they dont you get 5 damage then can still fight and play the new one you have in hand?
I tried making a Fight Rigging version. This deck sort of struggles against removal already. Dropping 8 creatures, interaction or card draw for 4 Fight Riggings and 4 large payoffs is rough.
I made a fight deck with the Obliterator and no black mana with transmogrify and old Lucca. And a surprise Obliterator with blizzard brawl on turn 4 is pretty neat.
There have been a couple games where my opponent tore me apart where I still had fun. This deck would probably be fun the first few times I encountered it, but miserable if it became half of the meta.
I like to imagine community managers in a meeting with r&d: "So, what do the players think about the addition of Ragavan?" and they just flip a big notepad with "12% :), 88% :(".
11:40 “Arena lines up poorly against Sheoldred” note he did not say _Phyrexian_ Arena. I swear I ran into mono blue in Historic that splashed black for Sheoldred.
I think an "upkeep tribal" deck in historic would be kinda cool to see. With phyrexian arena, dreadhorde invasion, and the new mite card, you could have a ton of upkeep triggers. Something like angelic visitation to turn them all into 4/4 angels, and the new token doubler guy would be pretty cool.
I ran a deck that did a ton of insane stuff during my upkeep (Hells caretakers + death and enter the battlefield triggers). It was great. After spending serval minutes blowing up opponents permanents, drawing cards and creating creature tokens people would ask " Are you done your turn yet?" and I'd say "No, now I draw a card and take the rest of my turn."
@@alsono3195 I wouldn't go as far as to say it'd be really good, but I would at least see the appeal. Without a card like that, seems kind of pointless to me.
I took Ichormoon Gauntlet out of my superfriends deck. Not good enough when all my planeswalkers already have killer plus abilities I’d rather use instead, and the bottom half of the card is overcosted if it’s there to only do that.
I don't think he wants a double-green card with the obliterator mana base, and the point of the fight spells is purely to work with obliterator to get them to sacrifice permanents
I made this deck in Explorer a few days ago so I could use snow lands and Blizzard Brawl. It's just as deliciously stupid of a combo in eternal formats.
Here to promote monoMountain Rakdos and monoMountain gruul for standard. Gruul is slightly worse overall but has abetter match up against mono white while rakdos powers through with removal. Both decks have the same red package main board and two mirrex sideboard.
@@jasonkorf7700 It's not aggro. It's mid range control. It can go aggro if not dealt with or the right draw, but the deck is designed around a slow grind full of non spell removal and targets to draw out removal and ultimately win around turn 11-15 with either Urabrask's Forge, or Koth Ult as the primary win. (Or poison in game 2-3. With mirrex) Rakdos deals with creatures and planeswalkers easier. Gruul deals with enchantments easier. The only tough deck for both is mono white. I say gruul and rakdos but sideboard the gruul deck has both black and white cards in it. and rakdos has tear asunder.
I made a similar deck just after One came out. Had an awesome game where my opponent ramped into and then tapped out for a 10/10 Hydroid Krasis, which I subsequently fought and wiped their board. Didn't matter that they had 7 cards in hand; they're so far behind at that point facing down black's current collection of goodstuff that it was GG.
The +1/+1 on the Underdog against the token on the first Superfriends matchup wasn't actually that important, you could have crewed the Bankbuster with the Underdog that was gonna fight. Underdog would have died, but you still would have had the 4 power to kill opponent.
8:24, what is wrong with casting Glissa here? A death touch first strike is a potent blocker. Fighting Reflection to protect Glissa from Ertai Resurrected getting copied isn't necessary because Reflection can't copy legendaries. You could, if you wanted, use Glissa to fight fable if you wanted. I would think casting Glissa might buy the time needed to go obliterator into fight spells.
In response to the rotpriest Combo. I think your opponent severely misplayed. If you have multiple protection spells you shouldn't do a protection in response to the duress and tap out. I've been playing the aggro Toxic in standard BO1 and it has hit Diamond so far. Rotpriest is a great distraction in that deck. So I think it doesn't work in BO3 but your opponent also didn't play that well IMO.
Ok this deck was less a real brew and more a "play the best black spells (+glissa) in the format, except we also put in 8 fight spells." Eh its still pretty fun.
If rotpriest wanted to be a deck that was good enough to play in bo3 i think they would need a functional reprint of rotpriest so they could run 8 copies lol
The poison ivy player has very obviously never piloted that style of deck before. You never are supposed to play your threats without protection up. I also don’t like the corrupted cards in that deck. Those are for dedicated toxic decks. The poison ivy deck should be played either as a tempo deck with a combo finish or a dedicated combo. In either case, the corrupted cards will almost never be on
Abilities with the same trigger follow the APNAP rule. This means the active player (the opponent) puts all triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they want (Sheoldred on draw in this case) followed by the non-active player putting all abilities they control on the stack in any order. Since it was the opponent's turn, they were the active player and Seth's trigger resolves first.
As soon as you build a deck and put an obliterator in it'll add like 24 swamps. Those are free . Play matches and do the dailies and weeklies and just do non competitive until you get cards and open phyrexian packs. Or spend money lol
Fight means "two target creatures deal damage to each other equal to their power", so while it might seem similar to attack/block, it is different that abilities like First or Double Strike are ignored. Keep in mind that the creatures are still the sources of the damage, meaning stuff like Deathtouch or Lifelink (or, in this deck's case, Obliterator's sacrifice trigger) still works
Did it die from a fight? Cause Fight doesn't care about first strike. Yeah it's a flavor fail, but WotC considered the extra wording and complexity to not be worth it.
casting arena over trespasser to block the fable token was soo greedy imo :D i think the game would've looked a lot different if you played trespasser. Love the deck tho!
I hate this card so much, it literally invalidates red and green as colors, its an auto concede on cast its so dumb, just because its a phyrexian dosent mean it needed a reprint, especially when black is already the strongest color right now.
I love the "we need something to snatch the crown away from all the black decks" - followed up by playing sheoldred and invoke despair
But you see, there's some green in this deck 😂
Illustrates his point pretty well though lol
I understand the one Forest in the land base is for Bushwhack, but you have no double-green spells in the list. That means if you're even casting Bushwhack, you already have all the green you need. The odds of missing turn-4 Obliterator are higher than (a) needing to cast two separate fight spells, (b) having an Obliterator on board already, (c) having two fight spells in your hand, AND (d) having two green sources to cast them.
It can be relevant to cast two fight spells on one turn, for instance to beat instant-speed removal. Also is important to have an out to Demolition Field on your green source.
@@davidhansen5067 it is also possible for your opponent to Boseiju you before your second turn. Starting triome with swamps in hand, Boseiju would be devastating without the forest
@@derekcline950 Huh? You just get another Triome if they Boseiju. Demofield/Ruin makes more sense, but it only wrecks you if they have one in hand before turn 5-6, they choose to activate it that early instead of being proactive, and you don't have 2+ green sources. As someone who plays a suite of colorless lands in Mono-W including the fields, I'm not activating that early unless I have absolutely nothing else to do.
@@derekcline950 Boseju is land with a basic land type, not a basic land
@@JaxonUm oh yeah, good point. I forget that in Standard, where there aren't many lands with basic land types (besides basic lands and the triomes)
Seth, you are a cornerstone of my magic world, a sensei in the ways of magic, one of a few. Just to say it, and only my view of things. Love the things you do and how, as a magic fan. Keep it up!
Having a couple Thruns in sideboard might've helped aggainst control matchups, Tyranax Rex also sounds great
17:15 apparently "so many counters" means 1 counter
I'm glad someone else noticed
One is more that enough
Any counters is too many
I actually respond "smiley" to most losses as long as the game was well fought, especially if opponent is playing something interesting. I'll respond "frowny" if it's the fifth t3 Greasefang of the day or my opponent's first three plays of the game were counters, but even then, I'm sure it's because I'm paying mostly midrange.
I mostly save the frowny face for salty ropers.
3:01 stomper can't block if the opponent only has 4 lands
I've been using a Boros Deck in Standard. Focuses around "Repair and Recharge" to bring back the new Emperor or Portal. Tons of creatures with looting or draw at 2 cmc. Invoke Justice also with a couple copies
I think *Rotpriest* will be viable in best of 3 if you go with the "transformative sideboad" plan, where the priest sides-out for game 2.
@12:25 wouldn't it have been more wise to attack with the obliterator you have on board, if they block they trade and still sacrifice if they dont you get 5 damage then can still fight and play the new one you have in hand?
Yup. You could also, if you really did want to fight pre-combat for whatever reason, play and fight with the summoning sick obliterator before combat.
im gonna talk about fight club
You’re the kind of guy who would talk about Bruno too huh?
@@jbuzzcuzz9728 HAh
Breakin the second rule eh?
Then you will get beaten up and die for it.
The historic version is nice running Colossificantion and give it to the opponents creature before fighting
No Fight Rigging in Fight Club, sadge
I tried making a Fight Rigging version. This deck sort of struggles against removal already. Dropping 8 creatures, interaction or card draw for 4 Fight Riggings and 4 large payoffs is rough.
I made a fight deck with the Obliterator and no black mana with transmogrify and old Lucca. And a surprise Obliterator with blizzard brawl on turn 4 is pretty neat.
KDB: Let me talk about fight club!
Thanks for the fun video Seth, love the intro!
There have been a couple games where my opponent tore me apart where I still had fun. This deck would probably be fun the first few times I encountered it, but miserable if it became half of the meta.
I like to imagine community managers in a meeting with r&d: "So, what do the players think about the addition of Ragavan?" and they just flip a big notepad with "12% :), 88% :(".
3:00 And since they can't block with stomper, you should still crew and swing with bankbuster.
I've been playing a similar deck in historic and have loved it
The editors been killing it here lately!
11:40 “Arena lines up poorly against Sheoldred” note he did not say _Phyrexian_ Arena. I swear I ran into mono blue in Historic that splashed black for Sheoldred.
kinda makes me proud that I'm running an Esper control deck with no Sheoldred on Arena. I do have a Jin-Gitaxias, so I'm not NOT a monster...
The thumbnail art is just too perfect
I made this with fight rigging, shake down heavy, and demon of the dross. So much fun
'Blunked' might be my favorite sethism
I think an "upkeep tribal" deck in historic would be kinda cool to see. With phyrexian arena, dreadhorde invasion, and the new mite card, you could have a ton of upkeep triggers. Something like angelic visitation to turn them all into 4/4 angels, and the new token doubler guy would be pretty cool.
An upkeep tribal deck would be really good if paradox haze was in arena
I'd swap arena for black market connection or perhaps run both.
I ran a deck that did a ton of insane stuff during my upkeep (Hells caretakers + death and enter the battlefield triggers). It was great. After spending serval minutes blowing up opponents permanents, drawing cards and creating creature tokens people would ask " Are you done your turn yet?" and I'd say "No, now I draw a card and take the rest of my turn."
@@alsono3195 I wouldn't go as far as to say it'd be really good, but I would at least see the appeal. Without a card like that, seems kind of pointless to me.
"The third rule of fight club is.. If this is the first time this ability has triggered this turn... IT'S NOT A MAY"
I thought this deck would have Fight rigging on the decklist for the meme lol
Anyway, this deck looks fun
Don't even play the game anymore, but keep in touch with the new sets just to watch Seth
YES I've been looking forward to this one.
Remember! The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club!
I took Ichormoon Gauntlet out of my superfriends deck. Not good enough when all my planeswalkers already have killer plus abilities I’d rather use instead, and the bottom half of the card is overcosted if it’s there to only do that.
I'm surprised there's no thrun in this deck, considering you can give it indestructible on your turn
I don't think he wants a double-green card with the obliterator mana base, and the point of the fight spells is purely to work with obliterator to get them to sacrifice permanents
@12:25 shoulda dropped the other Oblitorator to fight with so the one without summoning sickness could swing
'Glissa gets blunked' cracked me up so much
I made this deck in Explorer a few days ago so I could use snow lands and Blizzard Brawl. It's just as deliciously stupid of a combo in eternal formats.
Here to promote monoMountain Rakdos and monoMountain gruul for standard.
Gruul is slightly worse overall but has abetter match up against mono white while rakdos powers through with removal.
Both decks have the same red package main board and two mirrex sideboard.
Red Aggro is as dead as a deck can be in Standard. There's too many problems for the deck and not enough efficient answers.
@@jasonkorf7700 It's not aggro. It's mid range control. It can go aggro if not dealt with or the right draw, but the deck is designed around a slow grind full of non spell removal and targets to draw out removal and ultimately win around turn 11-15 with either Urabrask's Forge, or Koth Ult as the primary win. (Or poison in game 2-3. With mirrex)
Rakdos deals with creatures and planeswalkers easier.
Gruul deals with enchantments easier.
The only tough deck for both is mono white.
I say gruul and rakdos but sideboard the gruul deck has both black and white cards in it. and rakdos has tear asunder.
@@jasonkorf7700 Please don't imply my deck is aggro when you don't know what it is. And it isn't mono red it is mono mountain. There is a difference.
Would a tamyo's safekeeping be worth it, protects from removal and keeps the obliterater alive through fighting higher stuff (or attack them fight)
~17mins, invoke being bad means you should've ran it out, to potentially eat a counter or remove some attackers. Doing nothing is worse.
He broke the first two rules of Fight Club.
The Simic poison combo doesn't seem to work as well as just running Selesnya toxic.
Glissa is so sweet. I love the design
Seth : gets countered a single time
Also Seth : SOOOO MANY COUNTERS
I made a similar deck just after One came out. Had an awesome game where my opponent ramped into and then tapped out for a 10/10 Hydroid Krasis, which I subsequently fought and wiped their board. Didn't matter that they had 7 cards in hand; they're so far behind at that point facing down black's current collection of goodstuff that it was GG.
The +1/+1 on the Underdog against the token on the first Superfriends matchup wasn't actually that important, you could have crewed the Bankbuster with the Underdog that was gonna fight. Underdog would have died, but you still would have had the 4 power to kill opponent.
That thumbnail was enough 🤣
I wonder, would this work better with the white vindicator, fight to deal damage to the player without attacking
I understand the love to have the Obliterator to fight, but why not cast and swing?? Take five or combat and lose.
8:24, what is wrong with casting Glissa here? A death touch first strike is a potent blocker. Fighting Reflection to protect Glissa from Ertai Resurrected getting copied isn't necessary because Reflection can't copy legendaries. You could, if you wanted, use Glissa to fight fable if you wanted. I would think casting Glissa might buy the time needed to go obliterator into fight spells.
In response to the rotpriest Combo. I think your opponent severely misplayed. If you have multiple protection spells you shouldn't do a protection in response to the duress and tap out. I've been playing the aggro Toxic in standard BO1 and it has hit Diamond so far. Rotpriest is a great distraction in that deck. So I think it doesn't work in BO3 but your opponent also didn't play that well IMO.
Would gix be a better draw card then pherexian arena?
How are planeswalkers compleated if they are less powerful?
Ok this deck was less a real brew and more a "play the best black spells (+glissa) in the format, except we also put in 8 fight spells."
Eh its still pretty fun.
My brother has had one of these decks since day one. He beat some streamer named covert go blue with it and homeboy became a salt mine🤣
this is the seth i missed. punting multiple times in a game.
Im not sure we should consider this a brew 🤔
Haven't played standard in a long while, but Grixis looks annoyingly good.
We did it guys!! We got phyrexian obliterator value!!
I just watched fight club, literally got into a fight for my life the next day. This is hilarious!
Alternate title "Teaching Arean Zoomers about Phyrexian Obliterator"
Is it possible to build a burn/infect deck in mtg I would like to try
This feels more like a sealed deck, with how all over the place and unfocused the deck is.
Haha no matter how many times I try to hear your name correctly I keep mishearing it as "Seth-Row-Olive" 😆
Sheoldred so good you don’t want to play arena? 13:48
If rotpriest wanted to be a deck that was good enough to play in bo3 i think they would need a functional reprint of rotpriest so they could run 8 copies lol
The poison ivy player has very obviously never piloted that style of deck before. You never are supposed to play your threats without protection up.
I also don’t like the corrupted cards in that deck. Those are for dedicated toxic decks. The poison ivy deck should be played either as a tempo deck with a combo finish or a dedicated combo. In either case, the corrupted cards will almost never be on
I THINK I CAN SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING!!!!
All this deck showed me is how unbelievably OP invoke despair is. 100% needs a ban
Why did your Sheoldred trigger before the opponent’s?
Abilities with the same trigger follow the APNAP rule. This means the active player (the opponent) puts all triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they want (Sheoldred on draw in this case) followed by the non-active player putting all abilities they control on the stack in any order. Since it was the opponent's turn, they were the active player and Seth's trigger resolves first.
@@pawsti Of course! Thanks
thank you god for not being the one that plays 4 fight spells total and says the deck is bad.
The proving grounds are just for cycling???? That doesn't seem worth the drawback of coming in tapped
How do I get these cards in Arena? I know you craft some with the wildcards but do you have to do that for basic lands too?
No, basic land arts are you get by buying them from the store
As soon as you build a deck and put an obliterator in it'll add like 24 swamps. Those are free . Play matches and do the dailies and weeklies and just do non competitive until you get cards and open phyrexian packs. Or spend money lol
Why did that first stomper die when it had first strike?
Fight means "two target creatures deal damage to each other equal to their power", so while it might seem similar to attack/block, it is different that abilities like First or Double Strike are ignored. Keep in mind that the creatures are still the sources of the damage, meaning stuff like Deathtouch or Lifelink (or, in this deck's case, Obliterator's sacrifice trigger) still works
Did it die from a fight? Cause Fight doesn't care about first strike. Yeah it's a flavor fail, but WotC considered the extra wording and complexity to not be worth it.
But in project MTG we have no names...
ugh, I hope they realize the mistake of adding oblit to standard, looking forward to that ban.
Seems more Against the Odds.
obliterater with throne fighting atraxa = sac 14 bro 😂
Tried this deck three times and played against three decks without minions
Where is modern
complains about not drawing one of his 8 fight spells... meanwhile theres only 7 in the deck because he boarded one out
casting arena over trespasser to block the fable token was soo greedy imo :D i think the game would've looked a lot different if you played trespasser. Love the deck tho!
The arena shuffler is frustrating lol
Oh so you’ve stopped making mtgo content. Must’ve missed the announcement
Sucks that we cant talk about this video.
smamp?
❤️
This is why I don’t play standard
I hate this card so much, it literally invalidates red and green as colors, its an auto concede on cast its so dumb, just because its a phyrexian dosent mean it needed a reprint, especially when black is already the strongest color right now.
As toxic as infect
It's really distracting and visually annoying seeing you constantly flicking and moving the cards in hand over and over again.
Only chumps use/make sideboards
WHY ARE YOU SPEAKING LIKE THAT?????
I see you ripped off my boy's logo. Wtf? Mtg Fight Club soap bar is not your property. I hope you do better to watch your staff in the future.
So I guess we can use the Goldfish logo, right?
If you're conceding b/c your opponent is literally about to kill you, you're just a prick. Spend the seconds to let it play out, don't be a killjoy.