This kind of anti-Catholic bigotry is still very common among our orthodox brethren. Personally, I was thrown out of an Orthodox Church for simply being Catholic. And this was in the US. Just imagine how bad it still is in Russia
So we orthodox are bad guys? Catholics burned our churches and towns what happened in Kosovo to orthodox churches?in Croatia? In Constantinople? In Russia under petar? To all orthodox under catholic rule through out history?
You can not be trown out for being a catholic only way to be kicked is for wearing unfit clothes, or saying stuff like fck(and like that) so don't lie about thet
The replies here just prove the OP's point. Because that's exactly what Jesus taught us - to hate fellow Christians. Yeah, very christian and loving of ours, we who should love all people, even if they were heathen or godless.
@@mail2257 Yes you are right, and it was wrong! But Orthodox have done the same. It has to stop. We have to get on! We are brothers! To behave like we are not brothers id to deny the Fatherhood of God.
As a Catholic myself, I have a lot of respect for the Orthodox Church because are we are brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. Let's set our differences aside and stand together as one.
Dear catholics, what we must remember is that though we are shcismed from the orthodox church they are still our Brothers and sisters in christ, there sacraments, priest and bishops are valid. If they attack us let them attack us, we must show that we still love them even they become cruel and bitter to us.
@@David-pf9xe There were 5 Ancient Patriarchates in 1054. Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, & Constantinople. Rome is the one who introduced the Filioque (wasn’t part of the Creed before), Rome tried to claim authority over the rest of the Patriarchates (there is zero Church history evidence to show that they had this authority). So the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates (Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, & Alexandria) all cut off ties with Rome and continued the same as they have for 1000 years, while Rome changed drastically.
@@gravelroad1228 nice explanation but left few details out which makes not a small difference. The Patriarch of Rome were called from beginning “ the first among equals “. I know you will argue that still is equal like everybody else , but why the word first is there then ? If you read the bible you will see that in so many cases talks about the “ firstborn son “ . There were many brothers they are all equal to the father but the firstborn son was somewhat different from others. How different was he? Maybe you should go back and read the bible and find out yourself because there are some good examples. So my point is that in that kind of way “ the first among equals “ is understood, the word “first “ isn’t there for no reason. Peace ✌️
@@gjshordja OC church is comptlely Communist, like Russia and China, this people are hand in glove in massacre of Ukrainirns and their nation, see how inhuman n irreligion their believers hav done to their so call brothers is Christ, just for money and dominion, they are now a completely seperated from each other. So sad and ruineous, completely satared n ruin.
This is why Our Lady of Fatima begged us to pray for the conversion of Russia in 1917 . And we have not done what the Holy Mother of God has asked . Prayers continue for peace and unity 😞🌹
The Russian people were converted to Christ in the Byxantine period. St. Vladimir was baptised before the end of the first millennium A,D.. But thank you for the offer of reconversstion. It will not really be necessary. However it may be necessary to reconvert all of those paedophiliac priests in your Church. You should pray for the intercessions of the Lady of Fatima to recovert the paedophiles in your church. . Amen.
@@pk4a you don't know what conversion means in the Catholic context, but it was meant towards the Soviet Union, not the Russian people or Orthodox church
@@earlramirez9760 I do not deny that the many Filipino Catholics are uncatechized but we should recognize that the Catholic Church in the Philippines did not feed us with hatred against non-Catholics. We attend Sunday Masses and talks about Orthodox and Protestants are virtually absent.
I am orthodox. Was baptized 6 months ago. And the amount of vitriol I have encountered towards all the other faiths and denominations - especially catholics - is so strong in the orthodox church that now I seriously considering becoming catholic. Why? Because catholics nowadays understand the power of love and meeknes. Like Christ did.
@@notapurfectman6081 That's exactly what I was talking about. Do you realise that it is quite rude to call others heretics? That's the problem. There is no effort to engage in discussion, no effort to be in any way friendly or eager to actually encounter the arguments. Just "sod off heretics". And you wonder why we might be disenchanted...
@@thedisintegrador Do not blame the church for the people. Its probably because of Russia being Russia, as they still have the "us againts them" doctrine caused by mongol and nazi invasion, they just use a excuse of religion. If you think, that converting to catholicism will solve this, then know that in ukraine the catholic church supports far right nationalism and hatred towards russians and orthodox church. Also in Croatia they do the same just towards the serbs. Actualy they have masses of Bishop that aproved of Serbian genocide during ww2. Not to say that orthodox church doesnt do and didnt do messed up things, but it is not the fault of church but of people.
@@jaxosk9280 Do not blame the church for the people? Man, the church IS the people. That's as if you were saying that you shouldn't blame the US for its citizens. That's literally what it consists of. It's true, the catholic church is not without stain, I am with you on that point
I am a first generation Russian Canadian. I actually converted to Catholicism. Very religious so much so that I want to write a book about the Catholic view on transgender people.
Stop all hateful speeches against each other. After all, we are brothers and sisters in Christ. We are one in God's eyes. Forget and forgive the past, let's move on. A Kingdom that is divived itself will collapse. Viva the Unity of the Church between East and West.
Even if there were no historical injustices, we would still reject communion with Rome, because of the matters of faith and dogma. For example, the Orthodox Church has always had a friendly relationship with the Anglican Church, but we would never commune with them, because they are heretics.
Everyone has mistakes and poor people ... they keep accusing each other in an endless battle. Many Catholics have already been wronged/massacred and also Orthos.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к The thing is that neither catholics or orthodox are heretics, we catholics are the original church, and orthodox separated from the Catholic Church, which is the one founde by Jesus, by the rest we orthodox and catholics believe in the same thing, the differences between us are more of politics theme than creed
"They want to destroy the Christian faith" But... we're Christians as well, lady. We have almost the same Saints before the Schism, and some after the Schism. Stop talking nonsense.
Not saying this, but the Orthodox Church is the only True Church of Christ. Orthodoxy is what Christ taught the Apostles taught and the Church Fathers kept. The western church is not because it has been changing every single day since the schism and even before that
@@walterdreiberg And yet, the Catholic Church still has all the 6 rites from the 1st century. It's kinda suspicious to me that Christ's One True Church would only include the Byzantine rite today. Also, the very seat of Peter is in Rome. The Catholic Church is indeed affected by corruption and infiltration today but it is still the Church of Christ built on Peter
@@Catholic01 The filioque isnt correct though. Orthodox have it right. Look at the relationship of Isaac, Eliezer and Avraham in Genesis. That is the very relationship of the Father sending the Helper to find a bride for His Son. A complete rejection of filioque and all one has to do is read the first book of Torah.
@@paladinhansen137 filiqoue is true that’s why eastern and western fathers taught it you tend to forgot orthodoxy is very inconsistent example immaculate conception was orthodox doctrine and they dropped it at 1800s why would they stop believing it ?? Another one is purgatory believed by both east and west yet now they reject it lmao and many more my own Orthodox priest told me purgatory is true
The Catholic Church has always been a church of education - virtually every eminent university from Oxford to Cambridge to the Sorbonne to Milan were established by the Catholic Church while I can’t think of a single orthodox university of note.
Because ever since the Byzantine empire, there had been a separation between church and state in the sphere of education. The Byzantine empire kept classical education alive (philosophy and science) as well as political education (civil service training) which were overseen by the imperial state. Contrary to popular belief ancient Greek philosophy and philosophical schools didn't die out nor was philosophical learning banned but they were were simply forbidden to operate independently. The Byzantine government provided the funding for all secular education being of the view that the state should oversee secular affairs whilst the church oversaw religious instruction (training for the priesthood, doctrinal education etc). The church and state had two distinct roles in the education of the Byzantine people and both coexisted harmoniously. The orthodox church therefore never had to establish church run schools or universities as the state saw the importance of having a decently educated citizenry (particularly the civil service) to run the empire. For a theocratic empire like the Byzantines they were on whole very liberal (in our modern understanding concerning the separation of church and state) in their education system. And this translated into the orthodox church as many see it's role as one of religious and spiritual education and that the church has nothing to contribute in terms of science and classical liberal studies (eg. Philosophy, rhetoric, music, poetry, literature, natural sciences, arithmetic etc.). One of the greatest contention between the ecclesiastical involvement in education as in the western Catholic system and the pure religious education of the orthodox-byzantine system was the controversy between St Gregory of Palamas, an orthodox bishop and Barlaam, a monk educated in the western Catholic style who bought his scholastic (a combination between Greek philosophy and Christian theology) education to a theological debate concerning man's ability to know God (Hesychast controversy). St. Gregory argued that logic and reason are not sufficient tools for man to understand God and that only through the church and Christ (love of our fellow brothers and sisters, holy communion and prayerful silence and contemplation eg. Theoria) can man truly come to know God. The split in the thinking concerning man's epistemological ability to comprehend the Divine highlights the clear division between the western style education (mixing secular and religious education) and the eastern style. The Orthodox know their limits but remain confident in their faith, never having to justify it through secular knowledge concerning science and philosophy, their faith as being a gift from God and not a academic endeavour where one earns faith and have to prove it. This way of thinking truly makes the Orthodox faith a treasure, the pearl of great price; it's value is not in showy display (academic knowledge of its scholars and priests) but inner beauty (the humility and faith of its most humble and sinful faithful). And to me, as an Japanese orthodox Christian, this history is what makes the orthodox church and it's people admirable. The mentality of knowing ones place, knowing ones limits and acting out ones faith in a humble, serene and graceful manner which in contrast to the grandiose and pompous manner of the catholics and verbose and assertive (and try-hard) manner of the protestants are aspects which are most admirable about the orthodox.
They are historically notoriously bad at education level. The orthodox hierarchs (except the russian ones maybe) acquire their education at some protestant universities abroad.
Shows how the devil divides Christians though denominations when they should all be on the same side. The one thing they share in common is Christ and the Trinity.
I agree, but the Russian Orthodox Church has a history of oppressing other denominations . You don’t see Catholics and Baptist’s fighting , even when Baptist’s were named the enemy of the state in the Soviet Union. Maybe Russians have sour feelings on them since the Germans brought the other religions to the east centuries ago
God never told you to be Orthodox God never said Catholicism is my covenant He said "Love thy neighbor" Edit: I regret EVERYTHING I typed! ORTHODOXY IS THE TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️ Spiritual support from Greece
Soonest the Schismatic Orthodox Church in Russia will be reunited with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church... Praying for all Catholics in Russian soil...
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum. Benedícta tū in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus. Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae. Ámen.
Albania the only country i know were Orthodoxs, catholics, muslims can worship god and no one will ever ask you in everyday life what god do you worship. This is why i respect them they answer is firstly am Albanian but my personal believe is either orthodox, muslims or catholic they have all religions there live in peace and all respect each other
"Firstly I am Albanian." Unfortunately, this goes against Jesus when he said, "My kingdom is not of this world." You will not find one Albanian flag in heaven.
The documentary was clear that the institution is being attacked (bishops). Nothing was mentioned about parishoners being attacked. Why do you create your own reality?
If you go to Russia as a tourist, and not as a member of a particular church, of course the Russians would welcome you, or more precisely your tourist money. But being Catholic living in Russia is a totally different matter from being a tourist in Russia.
@@darbyogill8383 we are not all Christians. Thats the mind state of the west and US and what your pope taught the catholic dont teach true history or real biblical based fundamentals of the bible
@@darbyogill8383 you mentioned whites we have ethiopian orthodox not white. mentioning race doesnt make you have faith.then why u haveblack.madona as mary?
So, Putin is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, just like the queen of England the head of the Anglican Church. My next-door neighbor is the head of his church.
@@aceraphael Russia forgave enough, they gave nations like Poland, France and Britain always the hand and got stabbed in the back, at one point you cant show forgivenss anymore.
@@cxarhomell5867 should be equal Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church to spread Holy Scriptures to the non believers nations the same goal to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ's.
@@manolitorabe9785 Orthodox Christianity already does that in the form of Koine Greek or Russian or Georgian, Armenian, Copic, Syrian, or any other church.
@@celticfire9881 unchangeable? Dont make me laugh Palamist. You do realize that there are people called Old Believers, Old Calendarists in your heretical and schismatical sects, right?
John 13:34-35 (NIV): "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Despite the commandment of Jesus Christ their Lord, some professed "followers of Christ" end up preaching and showing hatred or hostility towards other Christians across the man-made political, denominational and/or doctrinal divide. Behind the struggle for power and influence, their hatred could be driven by primordial instincts of fear and insecurity. But God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7). May God have mercy on us all.
For God's sake, your Pope makes the sign of the devil with his hands, and you can't count the molested children, orthodox hatred is your problem? If I should quote the Bible about papacy, I would refer to apostle Paul warning of wolves in lamb's skin.
For God's sake, your Pope makes the sign of the devil with his hands, and you can't count the molested children, orthodox hatred is your problem? If I should quote the Bible about papacy, I would refer to apostle Paul warning of wolves in lamb's skin. ------------------------ @@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ First of all, I'm not a Catholic. So the man sitting in the Vatican is not my Pope, as you've presumed. Secondly, I'm neither for or against Catholics nor Orthodox Russians, regarding the issues raised in the video. Thirdly, the video triggered me to make a general observation about some Christians; whether Catholics or Protestants, who fall for the devil's schemes by turning on one another. So, there's no need to take my earlier post too personally. For all your grievances and criticisms, be advised not to focus too much on the imperfections of mankind. Of criticisms of human imperfections, there is no end. But it will perpetuate your cycle of dissatisfaction, hatred and ultimately rob yourself of the peace that God wants you to have. Instead, fix our eyes on God; our Creator and the One to which we're each accountable on Judgement Day. So which spiritual master are you really serving? Love and forgiveness, or hatred and resentment? God or satan? Eternity in heaven or hell? May God have mercy on us all. Good bye.
These are really nice words, but the heresy and pride of Catholicism remains, and apostle Paul said we mustn't pray together with unbelievers, or else we're sinners too. Love is truth and tolerance, but never on matters of faith. This is the modern ecumenical plan to turn all Christians into a pulp and mix shit with strawberries. Exactly Jesus Christ said love each other and He didn't say Peter you'll order and bully the others, so that goes to the Catholics not me. If they decide to leave their dreams of leadership and join the other Christians I'll be jumping for joy
The issue is not theological but national identity. The Orthodox Churches are strongly identified by their national and cultural identities - Greek, Bulgarian, Russian, Albanian, Ukrainian, Finnish, Romanian, etc. The ethnic identity does influence Catholicism as well, which accounts for the Catholic churches established according to ethnic identity, such as Irish, German, Polish, Italian, Lithuanian, Slovak, etc, but the groups intermingled and intermarried, and the churches were seen simply as Catholic. When Catholics step upon the land of Holy Mother Russia, it's seen as an incursion and a negation of the Russian, cultural slurry through which the faith developed and grew. Moreover, the rivalry between the Greeks and Latins was ferocious, and the paranoia of the Russians towards the Latin West is even seen explicitly in the grand opera, Boris Godunov. John Paul II was never going to be invited to Russia, because Poland was always seen as the major threat to culture and faith. Another issue is that there can be only one bishop within a canonical diocese. To place another bishop within the territory means that one if the bishops, a fortiori, is a usurper, according to the Orthodox. My family is Roman Catholic, Carpatho-Russian Orthodox and Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic. When I say Mass in my hometown, all three groups show up for the Mass, and all receive Communion, but this is the USA. Our respect for one another's faith and traditions runs deep. Sometimes I feel we should let the Russian and Greek Churches live in splendid isolation, but people have a right to their choice of faith expression. In the Orthodox tradition, the practice of caesaropapism went with the culture - ruling together emperor (tsar) and patriarch. That is what we see today regarding Putin and Kirill. Even though Rome has had the establishment of and the links with Catholic monarchs, the "Holy" Roman Empire, it was tempered by the Vatican's constant struggle for independence from the secular leaders in Church matters. Thus, the independent nation of Vatican City. Our embrace is many time warm and enthusiastic, such as among the Christians of the Middle East. Ending on an relevant and interesting note, when John Paul II made his biblical pilgrimage to the places of Scripture and the steps of St. Paul, he received a very rough and cold reception by the Greek Orthodox in Egypt and Sinai. Anticipating his visit to Athens, the lay synod of the Greek Orthodox Church in the US wrote the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople expressing their outrage at the treatment of the Pope by their church in Egypt. They spoke of the bonds of friendship and affection between Greeks and Latins in the US and their deep respect toward the Pope and insisted they would not tolerate such treatment of John Paul II in Athens or Istanbul. They even unambiguously threatened to withhold funds to both Athens and Constantinople if John Paul II were shown disrespect. A miracle occurred when the Pope, during the meeting in Athens with the Greek bishops, expressed in the most heartfelt way his sorrow for the affront and destruction wreaked upon Constantinople by the Latin Crusaders and deeply apologized for the sins of the Catholic Church toward its Greek brothers and sisters. The reaction was stunning and emotional - an historical move toward healing a deep wound. Moreover, Orthodox patriarchs have been given their own beautiful churches for their liturgical use in Rome.
And now that this union has been consummated, we can see the filth the RC unleashed in the World with same-sex marriages infecting the Greek Orthodox churches in America. Where ever is catholicism there is sodom and Gomorrah.
@@quintaeco There is A LOT of sodom and gomorrah in the orthodox churches from low to high levels, they only keep it quiet like an omerta law, pretending to be righteous. Meanwhile the Catholic C is doing a cleaning up.
It’s funny how Christians of all denominations sing the same songs and practice in very similar fashion in Russia , yet would like to divide by labels. The differences in doctrine are minimal, why fight over them
TK UA You are wrong there is not a small difference, but an abysmal, it is easy to say that when you do not understand what each one promulgates, the Orthodox never wanted unity, that is why they left and for that reason I think they do not have the truth, Protestants are a creation of the nobility, they wanted their own religion, so they invented some. There only left the catholic church.
Fighting is the basis of that culture. It not religion, it's politics or economics or any number of reasons. Look at the security services going at each other even in peaceful times.
I've never understood why people dive into the past as an excuse to hate on people. Our Lord teaches us to forgive the sins of those, who have hurt us. Yet there are still Orthodox folks, who cant forgive the RCC for their past sins against them. If we cant forgive the sins of those, who have hurt us, then how can we be forgiven from God?
@Arif Ahmed Khan it is hard to understand the context because it is so randomly cut. He is mentioning movies and cartoons from his childhood, he said that he now sees the complete opposite, that they are taking the russian culture, people are asking him and he sees it with his own eyes. The translation they gave is so random and has nothing to do with his words.
I am Jewish and it deeply saddens me to see beautiful pieces of art ruined. Not only that but my people also know a long history of being denied public worship and destruction of our public places of worship.
I agree Melissa. Destruction of Babi Jar is a first class war crime. Even the Taliban destroy the Buddah of Bamian. That let us see that God is humble . Gods power is on an other level. It is the spiritual experience of so much in the concentrationcamps. God is suffering with us. An unbelievable message for mankind. I embrace you in Faith.
I had a Russian Piano Teacher who family had to escape, they feared being all murdered, simply because Russia Government didn't like people like her Father being religious when their policies were against religion. So, their family run from Russia in fear of their life and went into China for safety. and eventually migrated to another country
This a great rewriting of history. "The Orthodox church started collaborating with communism." From where??? Their prison cells??? And no one in the Orthodox church has any problems with Roman catholics or anyone else's right to exist. The Patriarch simply is distressed with the fact that the Vatican purposely built their churches in highly Orthodox areas, they sought out those areas, for no reason other than to try to convert the Orthodox. But that's the Roman Catholic Church for you. They say we're all brothers, they say we're all part of the same church, but in reality they don't believe any of that. In reality they hate us just as much today as they always have.
What do you mean "they're prison cells"? Stalinism, that which destroyed communism and dresses itself up in its corpse for the authoritarianism is linked at the hip to the Orthodox Church. Joseph Stalin was the first Russian president to perform the ring kissing ceremony for the patriarch which every Russian leader has done since including Putin. The Orthodox Church also colluded with the Nazis just as the Catholics did in an attempt to wipe out the pro people, or Marxist ideologies that were springing up, like Bolshevism, Socialism, Marxism, communism, humanism and of course… The Jews. Stalin and Hitler were good buddies until the nonaggression pact was broken by Hitler, but this writer and a few others believe that Joseph Stalin was working together with the Nazis in part of a larger scheme to rewrite the sociology of humanity to create a class system where are the lower classes can be used by the upper classes in any way they see fit without such troublesome things like justice and law getting in their way.
What do you mean "they're prison cells"? Stalinism, that which destroyed communism and dresses itself up in its corpse for the authoritarianism is linked at the hip to the Orthodox Church. Joseph Stalin was the first Russian president to perform the ring kissing ceremony for the patriarch which every Russian leader has done since including Putin. The Orthodox Church also colluded with the Nazis just as the Catholics did in an attempt to wipe out the pro people, or Marxist ideologies that were springing up, like Bolshevism, Socialism, Marxism, communism, humanism and of course… The Jews. Stalin and Hitler were good buddies until the nonaggression pact was broken by Hitler, but this writer and a few others believe that Joseph Stalin was working together with the Nazis in part of a larger scheme to rewrite the sociology of humanity to create a class system where are the lower classes can be used by the upper classes in any way they see fit without such troublesome things like justice and law getting in their way.
One church one body Jesus Christ. Peter s church. Message from Jesus is love one another as I have loved you.Forgive one another humble yourself. Jesus spoke a lot about hyproticis.
Bravo! I admire the Byzantine Rite Catholics for their devotion and continuing tradition during the Divine Liturgy. The West can learn much from the East.
@@leahflower9924 They are all Eastern Orthodox. For some reason, probably political, the Orthodox chi he’s adopted a model of autocephalous national churches, as opposed to one international (ie “catholic”) church which has caused them to become ethnically entrench.
I believe they prefer to call themselves Russian ORTHODOX Greek Catholics. I understand that they strictly observe the Russian Orthodox liturgical practices.
When you have a religion which teaches The Blessed Ever Virgin Mary Mother Of God was born with sin, separates the Trinity in their creed and rejects the true leader of God's church it makes me laugh that they've been jumping up and down for 1000 years claiming they are THE true church and were right all along! Hmmm ... TO THE POPE!!! CONSECRATE RUSSIA TO MY IMMACULATE HEART!!! gee, I wonder why!!!
Oh what total bollocks! . . All these so-called "requests/secrets" end up being a list of "modernisations" that the older generations want reversed! . . For example: "The Blessed Virgin will bring everlasting peace, IF: * All abortions are made illegal * The Pope stops visiting mosques * The Latin Mass is restored EVERYWHERE * Archbishop Lefevre (or latest Crank!) is made Pope * All Jews must convert to Christianity
I WANT RUSSIA 🇷🇺 TO REMAIN ORTHODOXY FOREVER AND NEVER TO ACCEPT CATHOLICISM! ROMAN CATHOLICISM IS NOTHING FOR RUSSIA🇷🇺! WITHOUT ALEXANDER NEVSKY THERE WOULD BE NO RUSSIA 🇷🇺 SO GOD SAVE RUSSIA!
In Ireland, we don't stop Russian & Polish migrants from celebrating their Orthodox Christian weddings in our Catholic Church in town, only if their own church is too far away. In my town, we Christians go into each other's churches for Christmas hymns, weddings, funerals, etc.
Orthodox worship Jesus christ no the pope . You will find the truth soon about it. Thou shalt have no other gods before me Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy Honour thy father and thy mother Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not commit adultery Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour Thou shalt not covet
The Roman Pope actually held negotiations with the early Bolsheviks, so this is a non-argument. Yes, the Moscow Patriarchate has some issues, but they are at least part of the True Church of Christ.
@@rejubarchgliasis1830 You’re right. I’ve changed since I made that comment. I’m still Orthodox Christian but now I’m True Orthodox, no longer part of the MP
I have to take this documentary in context, being it was filmed in 2002. I was curious as to why the RC's were building such a huge church in Pskov? Did they have such a huge RC congregation to fill it? Most of the RC's in Russia are of Polish or Lithuanian descent, or descendants of Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholics living in Russia. Very few are Orthodox who flipped. I think the Orthodox should worry about Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Hare Krishnas a bit more than RCs, and those in Orthodoxy (today as against 2002) should further question why they want the enter the RC church led by Francis?
Why would it be a cause for your curiosity why Catholics are building a big Church?! Are you being forced in any way by the Catholic Church to contribute money? No? Then it does not concern you.
@Brooklyn Dave As you say, this is a 2002 production but it gives context to what is going on now on 2022 with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It confirms the danger when church and state rule together. To Putin and Russian OC the war in Ukraine is a "holy war" because the breaking away of the Ukrainian OC from the Moscow Patriarchy, strengthened the false belief that Ukraine must be "saved". But God is at work and the Church (comprising all believers in Jesus Christ), is the Body of Christ and He is the Head!! As we near His return, He is, through the Holy Spirit, sorting out the "tares from the wheat". May those who have ears to hear, hear before it is to late!
It doesn't matter whether we are Catholic or Orthodox Christians. The most important things we are brother in Christ and we accept the Lord Jesus, our saviour. That's it.❤
@@arctic_shadow578 it’s not common sense , if the Church you are in calls another legitimate church heretics , you might have a problem What matters now is our unity
Roman Catholic Apostolic Church allows and tolerate all religious sects to build and contradict her, but orthodox, protestants, muslims and evangelical refused entry not Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.
As a Traditional Catholic, I have a lot of appreciation for the Orthodox Church and our Orthodox brothers, but I have often seen that the same is not offered to us by them. May one day the two Churches be united, in Jesus' name.
This bishop is from Poland, this is the main reason he has been expelled. Especially from Siberia where Nikon’s of polish citizens has been send in 19 and 20 century. History is complicated in this part of the world.
And God, as punishment, allowed them to schism, with multiple Russian churches claiming authority and Moscow excommunicating Greek Orthodox. God continues to fulfill His prophecy, concerning the true Church as visible, invisible and unconquerable. History proves it, with Orthodox failing miserably to defend Christianity and the Catholics defeating all enemies of the Cross
Crazy 2 religions preaching love forgiveness and piece both at each other's throats throwing accusations around about each other like children. ....great example both of them....not
We are NOT in full communion with the Orthodox and this is not a new phenomenon. I experienced refusal of communion in Orthodox churches in Moscow and Leningrad even during the 1980s. Anyone who believes reciprocal communion is active is deluded. Several Popes have made many approaches but the Metropolitans either aren't interested or are not permitted to indulge in meaningful discussions. The Anglicans are closer to the Orthodox than we are!
Orthodox Groyper the Orthodox literally conspired with the Soviet government to persecute and murder Catholics. Even if what you say about Constantinople came anywhere close to representing the actual historical facts, youhave no leg to stand on.
@@GuadalupePicasso hey orthodox Christians are not going to persecute Catholics, not in a million years. On the other hand, the catholic church is controlled by freemasons and we can expect anything from it and they killed many orthodox Christians throughout history even helping other religions against us. Regarding the authority issue, orthodox bishops meet when they want to make a decision concerning specific issues.
georges k Dude, Orthodox Christians HAVE killed Catholics in the past, both directly and indirectly. In my thinking, this doesn’t invalidate the Orthodox Church’s claims to being the one, true church; it serves as a reminder that the church, even its leaders, are sometimes full of sinners, even of the most horrible types.
No Pope JPaul was supposed to but many would argue that his efforts were not according to the direction of the mother Mary. The proper consecration has yet to be done.
Keep your Fatima prelest. We have no need of Roman nonsense--or the Pope. What has Vatican II done but to bring irrelgiosity into the church? Holding services with pagans and Muslims!
What does it mater what church you belong to. We all worship the same God…Jesus Christ and Glory and Honour to God the Father. We are to love him, each other, and come together as children of the one true, Devine God. For me, I fallow or belong to no Religion, I am Christian.
If you follow Christ’s teachings, you will know He came to make a religion Religion is what gave you the Bible in the first place Just because humans are bickering doesn’t mean we should leave the Church behind. Remember Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Christ
The fourth Catholic crusade is directly responsible for the fall of Byzantium and the following conquests of Islam with the failure of the crusades. All the Catholic scandals are horrendes too…
as a Orthodox Christian convert from the RC church I recall all the Uniate efforts in Eastern Europe & even other areas where the monotones, Jesuits, Opus Dei & other secretive groups that terrorize non Roman Catholics this is well sad. No I dont want to force others to live as I do even as I hope as many as possible will convert to Holy Orthodoxy as I & others did. **I also know that there was a agreement in place w/the Vatican & Moscow Patriarch not send any new Roman Catholic Bishops to Russia, that was broken by pope John Paul2 as most are by the Vatican when it doesnt suit its purpose. The western Christians have been openly hostile to Orthodoxy in many forms, so the over reaction sometimes is understood but not justified in this light. I dont again support force of anyone to convert to Holy Orthodoxy but this lacks total depth if much depth.
Have you seen the Catholics made Orthodox unwelcome in their area. If you have seen some, can you tell me where? Even in Rome, there is a Russian Orthodox church there.
@@rokvelic2945 yes. After Vatican 2 the Roman Catholic church admitted Jesuit tactics against Orthodox Christians and others when they were loyalists to the Pope. Deal with facts
In the beginning the church was what is now the Greek Orthodox Church established about 33-34 A D. Then correct me on this, the Papacy is established about 417 A D in Rome. Then the Russian Orthodox Church is established in the Ninth Century. Then in 1054 A D is the Great Schism. I’ve been to Russia and Alaska and converted to the Orthodox Church. Here in the U S we have the ROCOR and the OCA and the Greek Orthodox Church.
I am involved in a comment war that I don’t belong to, seriously, everyone here is arguing each other over whether the orthodoxs or Catholics are right. I am not even Christian, but here I am.
Well from a Protestant perspective I find the Orthodox to have more validity with its doctrines. The filioque isnt correct. Orthodox do seem to have it right on that important premise between RC and EO. Look at the relationship of Isaac, Eliezer and Avraham in Genesis. That is the very relationship of the Father sending the Helper to find a bride for His Son. A complete rejection of filioque and all one has to do is read the first book of Torah. the relationship of Avraham sending Eliezer to find a Bride for his son Isaac....
We should be one religion... John 10:16... I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.
@@anthonylangford7797 You mean when the West split by becoming azymites and they changed the creed. The ones that change are the schismatics do you understand Papist. Oh the West also raised its one Patriarch to a God like status. too.
this entire video is only to spread hate. the Orthodox Church is the True Church of Christ and this video makes it look like something entirely else...
The Orthodox Church (Churches, since there is not even one Orthodox Church) is (are) afraid of the Truth (Christ), because Christ is only One, and one is the True Chuch (the Catholic Church). And it is not pride to win over the other just to be proud of winning; the winning is when authentic truth is said to convince and when authentic and humbleness of accepting the truth; therefore there is no loser, but only winners
Show us where Jesus the Christ teaches to establish a faith of state religions, like that for ancient Israel to separate out others. He established One Catholic, Universal Church for the teaching all nations. State religion is the sad state of religion of the national 'Orthodxies' frozen in the past without a unified means of coming together to decide anything doctrinal for hundreds of years. But you are quite happy not seeing this as anything wrong. If it is a state church it is not like God, the right One.
@@homerpimpson9855 lol no. There is no such thing called “Orthodox” “Church”, only “Orthodox” “ChurchES”. They dont even have a common canonized books of the Bible.
Thank you for your part in saving Planet Earth from the Not- Zees, so many lives sacrificed to save Russia, to save Jewish and Christian peoples ! Praise Jesus, Love LOVE, Love All Beings, Love your Self, and Love enemies and create new friendships !
Your russian government is corrupt and your evil President will be punished in eternal hell for waging the unjust war against so many people in Ukraine. There will be time when you will either realise that or you will be punished by your own conscience. No God can help people with evil in their hearts.
As a non demomational Christian but studying church history I've learned that they don't agree with on the matter of the Pope being infallible and the head of the church on earth which the Orthodox don't agree with as they believe Jesus is the head of the church both in heaven and earth and the other key disagreement is the "Filioque" the catholic believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from Jesus, but the orthodox believe it doesn't but they still both believe in the Trinity and the other difference is Catholics believe in purgatory and the Orthodox don't...they are both very similar and traditional and come from the same Church that Jesus made on earth but split around 1000ad and soon after the protestestans split from the Catholic church around 1500ad and many churches broke off and now we have many denominations who all believe they are right
Holy Bible is the TRUTH alone not the rituals or traditions of men🙏 Lord Jesus Christ is the way the TRUTH and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Him🙏❤️🕊 REPENT, believe in the Gospel
Strong Believer of the Holy The Church Fathers who wrote your bible we’re Orthodox. Everything we do is in relation to the Bible. Do more research ☦️🙏🏽
Joseph Foteh Exodus 20:4 You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Jesus Christ has built only one Church under the leadership of Peter. This division of the Church pains Jesus's heart so much as He wants that all must be One....
Not right but to be fair, the Roman-Catholic church was way less tolerant, and far more ruthless, back in the medieval, very dark ages. Anyways, not cool for any religious group, especially one calling itself Christian at all, to show any kind of animosity or intolerance. All claiming Christianity is supposed to show love to one another. Just as Christ instructed.
@@Србомбоница86 What rubbish. No-one in the west gives a toss what religion you are. And most western christians are protestant anyway. They want nothing to do with Rome. We attacked Serbia because it was backing the Serbian militias in bosnia (remember Sarajevo?) with arms and personnel. If we’d left Serbia alone to do what it wanted, there wouldn’t be a Bosnian, muslim, or Kosovan left alive in all of the Balkans. There’d be fewer Croatians as well. If it was completely up to Serbia, the Balkans would contain only Serbs and Greeks. Religion wasn’t even a consideration.
So because of past wrong doing , their behavior is justified ?? If so, Latins also have a bone to pick with Orthodox for past sins Orthodox literally sided with Ottomans at some point and angry mobs killed Latin laymen Far more aggression was shown towards Catholics in the first place
Historically, no The people who started pointing fingers and calling people heretics are those that schismed As in the Orthodox because the Roman Catholic division started appointing Popes and whatever other political problem you had It’s not good to change history And saying they did it first does not justify ill treatment. We are supposed to be followers of Christ
Now...what are the names of these two saints?. Do you know?? and do you know ....that Russians and Ukranians..are related. Actually they are brothers..by their Orthodox baptism..Lord have mercy....make peace my brothers..yes I am orthodox as well...Stop this war now....Please..
Don't forget millions of Ukrainian Catholics who are in full communion with the Holy See, and their Patriarch Sviatoslav who is the global head and father of Ukrainian Catholics. He posts on You Tube frequently from Kyiv. God bless him and ALL Ukrainians.
🌵🕯☦Greetings from Flagstaff Az estados unidos! Lord Jesus Christ, son of God have mercy on me & save me a sinner! The Holy Russian Orthodox church is the only thing that has put meaning in my life! IC XC NIKA!☦🕯🌵
The Patriarch of Moscow is who pushed Putin to invade Ukraine and refuse to call it an invasion or condemn Putin like religious and secular leaders around the globe have.Patriarch Kyril has also called the innocent Ukrainians defending their country from Russian aggression "Evil doers".The Russian Orthodox Church is not apostolic in origin and is just a department of the Russian regime who's Tsar or President is head of it.
@@richlopez5896 On the other hand, our Lady of La Salette prophecised that Rome will become the seat of Antichrist, and the vatican are now fully in control by the freemasons ,we also witnessed that they bow down to idol pachamama and many Catholic claimed that their Pope is an antipope and is apostate.
Kirill was a KGB agent code named Michailov and a founding member of the corrupt and Masonic World Council of Churches. He has a vast yacht, and many palaces. Putin built him another as he hates the sound of trains. 50 hats too.
@@richlopez5896 Ever wonder if you're wrong about that? What if the Russian people have an understanding of Christianity that was established in Greek speaking Constantinople; the center of Christianity until the Catholic Crusaders sacked Constantinople in like the 1200s?
Alexander Nevsky had the opportunity to convert to Catholicism and he would have been like King Eric of Sweden. Instead, he deprived his nation of many benefits.
"brothel", or in this case "bordello" is spot on as the fear of the young man expresses - and as anyone who has an experience of the West will - or not - admit to!
Of course until we realise Russia is among the top 10 countries for human trafficking, domestic and export (Borgen Report). In the Far East, when the average joe speaks of Russian girls, it's hardly a modest veiled Orthodox peasant girl. Prostitution is not a unique Western problem. It is universal. All the cosmetics, politics and hypocrisy do not hide its age. And it is no coincidence that catholic institutions are at the fore of rehabilitating sex workers. Christ came to save sinners, including and most significantly, Mary Magdalene.
@@wenshan9101 : as expressed in the video, the issue here, is a question of ideologies: an 'Italianate-Western-Augustinian mindset or a Patristic Orthodox phronema. The manifold historical vicissitudes of Russia's encounter with the papal west has her well placed to decide for herself.
@@terrytzaneros8007 Allow me to share a Thomas Merton quote, "Dostoevski, in The Brothers Karamazov, shows us what Rozanov has called an 'eternal conflict' in monasticism - and doubtless in christianity itself. The conflict between the rigid, authoritarian, self-righteous, ascetic Therapont, who delivers himself from the world by sheer effort, and then feels qualified to call down curses upon it; and the Staretz, Zossima, the kind, compassionate man of prayer who identifies with the sinful and suffering world in order to call down God's blessings upon it." I have always wondered why Merton, completely immersed in the desert fathers and Eastern monasticism, chose to be catholic. You're right about pronema, on account of how we struggle to place the lamp on a lampstand. Patristic and orthodox or ethnocentric and nationalistic makes the difference. Btw, is Putin's military operation your war against the west? Or maybe you prefer silence and neutrality?
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This kind of anti-Catholic bigotry is still very common among our orthodox brethren. Personally, I was thrown out of an Orthodox Church for simply being Catholic. And this was in the US. Just imagine how bad it still is in Russia
So we orthodox are bad guys?
Catholics burned our churches and towns what happened in Kosovo to orthodox churches?in Croatia? In Constantinople? In Russia under petar? To all orthodox under catholic rule through out history?
You can not be trown out for being a catholic only way to be kicked is for wearing unfit clothes, or saying stuff like fck(and like that) so don't lie about thet
The replies here just prove the OP's point. Because that's exactly what Jesus taught us - to hate fellow Christians. Yeah, very christian and loving of ours, we who should love all people, even if they were heathen or godless.
@@mail2257 Yes you are right, and it was wrong! But Orthodox have done the same. It has to stop. We have to get on! We are brothers! To behave like we are not brothers id to deny the Fatherhood of God.
@@samuelbcn amen.
As a Catholic myself, I have a lot of respect for the Orthodox Church because are we are brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. Let's set our differences aside and stand together as one.
Praying for the mending of the Great Schism.
No thank you. You, however, should repent first before you join the one, true Church.
They are the first heretics to break the church
Quran has many accurate and useful information, I encourage everyone to explore them and read it at least once. 💙
@@ISLAM_IS_THE_RIGHT_PATH1 everything I need to know is already in the Bible 🤷🏻♂️
I am a Catholic, let's pray for peace so we can spread the word of God . We both were one once we can be separate but in Christ together. Amen
Catholicism is the work of the devil. Repent
@@deepdeception7953 lol
@@deepdeception7953 seriously protestant dont you have anything else in life to do?
Sure, just renounce all your heretical beliefs.
@@ToxicPota you have no authority to teach without the Pope's authority. When you obey, you and you clergy will finally cease offending God
Jesus said Peter upon you I will build my Church,
Amen.
Papacy is circular loñ
@@SwoleSlim Russia will become the most religious country in the world
The Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch was founded by Peter as well.
Dear catholics, what we must remember is that though we are shcismed from the orthodox church they are still our Brothers and sisters in christ, there sacraments, priest and bishops are valid. If they attack us let them attack us, we must show that we still love them even they become cruel and bitter to us.
The Orthodox Church is in schism from the Catholic Church. Not the other way around. They are the ones who choose to remain in schism.
They are not evil, I hope you find the truth soon.
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There were 5 Ancient Patriarchates in 1054. Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, & Constantinople.
Rome is the one who introduced the Filioque (wasn’t part of the Creed before), Rome tried to claim authority over the rest of the Patriarchates (there is zero Church history evidence to show that they had this authority).
So the 4 Apostolic Patriarchates (Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, & Alexandria) all cut off ties with Rome and continued the same as they have for 1000 years, while Rome changed drastically.
@@gravelroad1228 nice explanation but left few details out which makes not a small difference. The Patriarch of Rome were called from beginning “ the first among equals “. I know you will argue that still is equal like everybody else , but why the word first is there then ? If you read the bible you will see that in so many cases talks about the “ firstborn son “ . There were many brothers they are all equal to the father but the firstborn son was somewhat different from others. How different was he? Maybe you should go back and read the bible and find out yourself because there are some good examples. So my point is that in that kind of way “ the first among equals “ is understood, the word “first “ isn’t there for no reason. Peace ✌️
@@gjshordja OC church is comptlely Communist, like Russia and China, this people are hand in glove in massacre of Ukrainirns and their nation, see how inhuman n irreligion their believers hav done to their so call brothers is Christ, just for money and dominion, they are now a completely seperated from each other. So sad and ruineous, completely satared n ruin.
I am a recent convert to Orthodoxy from Catholicism!
This is why Our Lady of Fatima begged us to pray for the conversion of Russia in 1917 . And we have not done what the Holy Mother of God has asked . Prayers continue for peace and unity 😞🌹
The Russian people were converted to Christ in the Byxantine period. St. Vladimir was baptised before the end of the first millennium A,D.. But thank you for the offer of reconversstion. It will not really be necessary. However it may be necessary to reconvert all of those paedophiliac priests in your Church. You should pray for the intercessions of the Lady of Fatima to recovert the paedophiles in your church. . Amen.
Our Lady of the Holy Rosary of Fátima
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@@pk4a we must all continue to pray for the mystical body of Christ. We are one body 🌹🙏
@@pk4a you don't know what conversion means in the Catholic context, but it was meant towards the Soviet Union, not the Russian people or Orthodox church
@@pk4a Marko 3: 25
Dangerous folks. Here in the Philippines we have Orthodox missions but I never heard any group of Catholics expressing the same level of hatred.
@@earlramirez9760 I think you forgot to say that "not all".
Roman Catholic church has been horrific to us Orthodox people ,they are evil
@@Србомбоница86 please name one reason? You just taking to make your self fell bettter
@@earlramirez9760 I do not deny that the many Filipino Catholics are uncatechized but we should recognize that the Catholic Church in the Philippines did not feed us with hatred against non-Catholics. We attend Sunday Masses and talks about Orthodox and Protestants are virtually absent.
@@RYANDUBIER The Polish conflicts. The Serbo-Croatian conflicts. The conquest of Constantinople.
I am orthodox. Was baptized 6 months ago. And the amount of vitriol I have encountered towards all the other faiths and denominations - especially catholics - is so strong in the orthodox church that now I seriously considering becoming catholic. Why? Because catholics nowadays understand the power of love and meeknes. Like Christ did.
Ok heretics
@@notapurfectman6081 That's exactly what I was talking about. Do you realise that it is quite rude to call others heretics? That's the problem. There is no effort to engage in discussion, no effort to be in any way friendly or eager to actually encounter the arguments. Just "sod off heretics". And you wonder why we might be disenchanted...
@@thedisintegrador Do not blame the church for the people. Its probably because of Russia being Russia, as they still have the "us againts them" doctrine caused by mongol and nazi invasion, they just use a excuse of religion. If you think, that converting to catholicism will solve this, then know that in ukraine the catholic church supports far right nationalism and hatred towards russians and orthodox church. Also in Croatia they do the same just towards the serbs. Actualy they have masses of Bishop that aproved of Serbian genocide during ww2. Not to say that orthodox church doesnt do and didnt do messed up things, but it is not the fault of church but of people.
@@jaxosk9280 Do not blame the church for the people? Man, the church IS the people. That's as if you were saying that you shouldn't blame the US for its citizens. That's literally what it consists of.
It's true, the catholic church is not without stain, I am with you on that point
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God Bless all the Russian Catholics.
I am a first generation Russian Canadian. I actually converted to Catholicism. Very religious so much so that I want to write a book about the Catholic view on transgender people.
@@shinyanovikov2502 lol interesting its mental disorder i think.
Stop all hateful speeches against each other. After all, we are brothers and sisters in Christ. We are one in God's eyes. Forget and forgive the past, let's move on. A Kingdom that is divived itself will collapse. Viva the Unity of the Church between East and West.
Even if there were no historical injustices, we would still reject communion with Rome, because of the matters of faith and dogma. For example, the Orthodox Church has always had a friendly relationship with the Anglican Church, but we would never commune with them, because they are heretics.
Everyone has mistakes and poor people ... they keep accusing each other in an endless battle. Many Catholics have already been wronged/massacred and also Orthos.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к The thing is that neither catholics or orthodox are heretics, we catholics are the original church, and orthodox separated from the Catholic Church, which is the one founde by Jesus, by the rest we orthodox and catholics believe in the same thing, the differences between us are more of politics theme than creed
@JOSHUA THOMAS And we don’t accept you people who support the corrupt bishop of Rome.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к True.
"They want to destroy the Christian faith"
But... we're Christians as well, lady. We have almost the same Saints before the Schism, and some after the Schism. Stop talking nonsense.
Not saying this, but the Orthodox Church is the only True Church of Christ. Orthodoxy is what Christ taught the Apostles taught and the Church Fathers kept. The western church is not because it has been changing every single day since the schism and even before that
@@walterdreiberg And yet, the Catholic Church still has all the 6 rites from the 1st century. It's kinda suspicious to me that Christ's One True Church would only include the Byzantine rite today. Also, the very seat of Peter is in Rome. The Catholic Church is indeed affected by corruption and infiltration today but it is still the Church of Christ built on Peter
@@walterdreiberg it's not bro I was orthodox and am now Catholic bro Catholic is the true orthodox church
@@Catholic01 The filioque isnt correct though. Orthodox have it right. Look at the relationship of Isaac, Eliezer and Avraham in Genesis. That is the very relationship of the Father sending the Helper to find a bride for His Son. A complete rejection of filioque and all one has to do is read the first book of Torah.
@@paladinhansen137 filiqoue is true that’s why eastern and western fathers taught it you tend to forgot orthodoxy is very inconsistent example immaculate conception was orthodox doctrine and they dropped it at 1800s why would they stop believing it ?? Another one is purgatory believed by both east and west yet now they reject it lmao and many more my own Orthodox priest told me purgatory is true
The Catholic Church has always been a church of education - virtually every eminent university from Oxford to Cambridge to the Sorbonne to Milan were established by the Catholic Church while I can’t think of a single orthodox university of note.
I never knew that 😃
Because ever since the Byzantine empire, there had been a separation between church and state in the sphere of education.
The Byzantine empire kept classical education alive (philosophy and science) as well as political education (civil service training) which were overseen by the imperial state.
Contrary to popular belief ancient Greek philosophy and philosophical schools didn't die out nor was philosophical learning banned but they were were simply forbidden to operate independently.
The Byzantine government provided the funding for all secular education being of the view that the state should oversee secular affairs whilst the church oversaw religious instruction (training for the priesthood, doctrinal education etc). The church and state had two distinct roles in the education of the Byzantine people and both coexisted harmoniously.
The orthodox church therefore never had to establish church run schools or universities as the state saw the importance of having a decently educated citizenry (particularly the civil service) to run the empire.
For a theocratic empire like the Byzantines they were on whole very liberal (in our modern understanding concerning the separation of church and state) in their education system.
And this translated into the orthodox church as many see it's role as one of religious and spiritual education and that the church has nothing to contribute in terms of science and classical liberal studies (eg. Philosophy, rhetoric, music, poetry, literature, natural sciences, arithmetic etc.).
One of the greatest contention between the ecclesiastical involvement in education as in the western Catholic system and the pure religious education of the orthodox-byzantine system was the controversy between St Gregory of Palamas, an orthodox bishop and Barlaam, a monk educated in the western Catholic style who bought his scholastic (a combination between Greek philosophy and Christian theology) education to a theological debate concerning man's ability to know God (Hesychast controversy). St. Gregory argued that logic and reason are not sufficient tools for man to understand God and that only through the church and Christ (love of our fellow brothers and sisters, holy communion and prayerful silence and contemplation eg. Theoria) can man truly come to know God.
The split in the thinking concerning man's epistemological ability to comprehend the Divine highlights the clear division between the western style education (mixing secular and religious education) and the eastern style.
The Orthodox know their limits but remain confident in their faith, never having to justify it through secular knowledge concerning science and philosophy, their faith as being a gift from God and not a academic endeavour where one earns faith and have to prove it.
This way of thinking truly makes the Orthodox faith a treasure, the pearl of great price; it's value is not in showy display (academic knowledge of its scholars and priests) but inner beauty (the humility and faith of its most humble and sinful faithful).
And to me, as an Japanese orthodox Christian, this history is what makes the orthodox church and it's people admirable. The mentality of knowing ones place, knowing ones limits and acting out ones faith in a humble, serene and graceful manner which in contrast to the grandiose and pompous manner of the catholics and verbose and assertive (and try-hard) manner of the protestants are aspects which are most admirable about the orthodox.
The only Orthodox "school" outside Russia I no, is the Institut Saint Serge Paris.
They are historically notoriously bad at education level. The orthodox hierarchs (except the russian ones maybe) acquire their education at some protestant universities abroad.
@@theresemartin3920no Orthodox Christian priest studies at western schools
Shows how the devil divides Christians though denominations when they should all be on the same side. The one thing they share in common is Christ and the Trinity.
I agree, but the Russian Orthodox Church has a history of oppressing other denominations . You don’t see Catholics and Baptist’s fighting , even when Baptist’s were named the enemy of the state in the Soviet Union. Maybe Russians have sour feelings on them since the Germans brought the other religions to the east centuries ago
@@broquestwarsneeder7617 the Catholic Church has always served as an interest of some kind but never to the scale of which orthodox has been used
God never told you to be Orthodox
God never said Catholicism is my covenant
He said "Love thy neighbor"
Edit: I regret EVERYTHING I typed! ORTHODOXY IS THE TRUE APOSTOLIC CHURCH ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
Spiritual support from Greece
Yes he did. He made a church that represents love and peace, not one that represents hate and war
So what? They found their own way to honor God just like I do!
What if I told you that man himself has invented the divine liturgy?
Protestants Heretics are not even in the picture when it comes to discussing the ancient church history....
@@pempem9053 wtf😂
Soonest the Schismatic Orthodox Church in Russia will be reunited with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church... Praying for all Catholics in Russian soil...
You have no idea what you’re talking about. We follow Christ not patriarch and specially not the pope. Catholic church is shismatic. Do your homework.
@@summer2000ss Ustedes se cismaron con la Iglesia Romana.
@@luismanuelpotenciano1300leave us alone ,we despise rome
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum.
Benedícta tū in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus.
Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae.
Ámen.
Jam multum orandum est...
Despite the issues, the Roman Catholic Church of the Holy Trinity in Pskov was completed.
Orthodoxy is real Christianity 🇷🇺☦️
@@mihail7439 no orthodoxy is schismatic
@@mihail7439 By their fruits you shall know them...
Albania the only country i know were Orthodoxs, catholics, muslims can worship god and no one will ever ask you in everyday life what god do you worship. This is why i respect them they answer is firstly am Albanian but my personal believe is either orthodox, muslims or catholic they have all religions there live in peace and all respect each other
Same with Greece
@@thebalkanhistorian.3205not really. Especially for Catholics
You dont have Orthodox church,besides albanians are the most atheist people EVER
"Firstly I am Albanian."
Unfortunately, this goes against Jesus when he said, "My kingdom is not of this world." You will not find one Albanian flag in heaven.
Pure propaganda. I'm a catholic and Russians treated me like a brother every time I went there.
The documentary was clear that the institution is being attacked (bishops). Nothing was mentioned about parishoners being attacked. Why do you create your own reality?
Troll much? Did you listen to the story?
If you go to Russia as a tourist, and not as a member of a particular church, of course the Russians would welcome you, or more precisely your tourist money.
But being Catholic living in Russia is a totally different matter from being a tourist in Russia.
Did you went dressed like a priest there? Dude you don’t make sense.
Support Russia from Serbia 🇷🇺
Irish catholic passing through yo peace mother russia
@ who said i like it so much i said peace why hate catholics were all white christians?
@@darbyogill8383 we are not all Christians. Thats the mind state of the west and US and what your pope taught the catholic dont teach true history or real biblical based fundamentals of the bible
@@darbyogill8383 you mentioned whites we have ethiopian orthodox not white. mentioning race doesnt make you have faith.then why u haveblack.madona as mary?
@@adamankind1onearthg because they do not like catholics
@@darbyogill8383 I am Irish formally Catholic, consider the Orthodox faith. It’s the true ancient church.
So, Putin is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, just like the queen of England the head of the Anglican Church. My next-door neighbor is the head of his church.
Jesus founded one true holy and apostolic church.
no he just bought it...
How could You call yourself Christian But Hate Others
Excellent point.
@Josh 4th crusade, battle of tannenburg, norman invasion of byzantine empire, crimean war.
@@johnerrol3813 So much for the forgiveness that christ taught...and a issue that occured 1000 years ago...good luck anyways..
@@aceraphael Russia forgave enough, they gave nations like Poland, France and Britain always the hand and got stabbed in the back, at one point you cant show forgivenss anymore.
Gigantic facts
For me Orthodox Catholic and Roman Catholic should be united why because are the same Apostolic link like Anglican in England.
Anglican Church has gone its way to agree with women priest, Anglican church was born out of rebellion not even a good begining.
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando You are right, they have no apostolic succession.
Only the Catholic and Orthodox Church have.
United under orthodoxy.
@@cxarhomell5867 should be equal Roman Catholic and Orthodox Church to spread Holy Scriptures to the non believers nations the same goal to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ's.
@@manolitorabe9785 Orthodox Christianity already does that in the form of Koine Greek or Russian or Georgian, Armenian, Copic, Syrian, or any other church.
Cradle Protestant converting to catholic and I'm sad You're all fighting 😿
every body should suffer in his own or shosen denomination.
@@br.samuel4754
Yes American Protestant music and people are horrible
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Don't worry, I'd never pollute God's orthodox church with my presence 👍
From one heresy to the next.
@@hmldjr to the truth *
As a Catholic, I'm ready to make many concessions to reunite our Churches, both are so wonderful.
You cant make any concessions without ceasing to be Catholic. See Satis Cognitum #9 of Pope Leo XIII.
@Thinking Emoji why do they need to make concessions? Who says that there is any wrong with the Orthodox Church?
@Thinking Emoji Quite the contrary, Orthodoxy is unchangeable.
@@celticfire9881 unchangeable? Dont make me laugh Palamist. You do realize that there are people called Old Believers, Old Calendarists in your heretical and schismatical sects, right?
@@trubangTrang Yes, the Old Believers are wonderful, the ones in Russia are back in Communion with Moscow.
John 13:34-35 (NIV): "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
Despite the commandment of Jesus Christ their Lord, some professed "followers of Christ" end up preaching and showing hatred or hostility towards other Christians across the man-made political, denominational and/or doctrinal divide. Behind the struggle for power and influence, their hatred could be driven by primordial instincts of fear and insecurity.
But God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7).
May God have mercy on us all.
For God's sake, your Pope makes the sign of the devil with his hands, and you can't count the molested children, orthodox hatred is your problem? If I should quote the Bible about papacy, I would refer to apostle Paul warning of wolves in lamb's skin.
For God's sake, your Pope makes the sign of the devil with his hands, and you can't count the molested children, orthodox hatred is your problem? If I should quote the Bible about papacy, I would refer to apostle Paul warning of wolves in lamb's skin.
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@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ First of all, I'm not a Catholic. So the man sitting in the Vatican is not my Pope, as you've presumed.
Secondly, I'm neither for or against Catholics nor Orthodox Russians, regarding the issues raised in the video.
Thirdly, the video triggered me to make a general observation about some Christians; whether Catholics or Protestants, who fall for the devil's schemes by turning on one another.
So, there's no need to take my earlier post too personally.
For all your grievances and criticisms, be advised not to focus too much on the imperfections of mankind.
Of criticisms of human imperfections, there is no end.
But it will perpetuate your cycle of dissatisfaction, hatred and ultimately rob yourself of the peace that God wants you to have.
Instead, fix our eyes on God; our Creator and the One to which we're each accountable on Judgement Day.
So which spiritual master are you really serving?
Love and forgiveness, or hatred and resentment?
God or satan?
Eternity in heaven or hell?
May God have mercy on us all.
Good bye.
These are really nice words, but the heresy and pride of Catholicism remains, and apostle Paul said we mustn't pray together with unbelievers, or else we're sinners too. Love is truth and tolerance, but never on matters of faith. This is the modern ecumenical plan to turn all Christians into a pulp and mix shit with strawberries. Exactly Jesus Christ said love each other and He didn't say Peter you'll order and bully the others, so that goes to the Catholics not me. If they decide to leave their dreams of leadership and join the other Christians I'll be jumping for joy
AMEN🌞
The issue is not theological but national identity. The Orthodox Churches are strongly identified by their national and cultural identities - Greek, Bulgarian, Russian, Albanian, Ukrainian, Finnish, Romanian, etc. The ethnic identity does influence Catholicism as well, which accounts for the Catholic churches established according to ethnic identity, such as Irish, German, Polish, Italian, Lithuanian, Slovak, etc, but the groups intermingled and intermarried, and the churches were seen simply as Catholic. When Catholics step upon the land of Holy Mother Russia, it's seen as an incursion and a negation of the Russian, cultural slurry through which the faith developed and grew. Moreover, the rivalry between the Greeks and Latins was ferocious, and the paranoia of the Russians towards the Latin West is even seen explicitly in the grand opera, Boris Godunov. John Paul II was never going to be invited to Russia, because Poland was always seen as the major threat to culture and faith. Another issue is that there can be only one bishop within a canonical diocese. To place another bishop within the territory means that one if the bishops, a fortiori, is a usurper, according to the Orthodox. My family is Roman Catholic, Carpatho-Russian Orthodox and Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic. When I say Mass in my hometown, all three groups show up for the Mass, and all receive Communion, but this is the USA. Our respect for one another's faith and traditions runs deep. Sometimes I feel we should let the Russian and Greek Churches live in splendid isolation, but people have a right to their choice of faith expression. In the Orthodox tradition, the practice of caesaropapism went with the culture - ruling together emperor (tsar) and patriarch. That is what we see today regarding Putin and Kirill. Even though Rome has had the establishment of and the links with Catholic monarchs, the "Holy" Roman Empire, it was tempered by the Vatican's constant struggle for independence from the secular leaders in Church matters. Thus, the independent nation of Vatican City. Our embrace is many time warm and enthusiastic, such as among the Christians of the Middle East. Ending on an relevant and interesting note, when John Paul II made his biblical pilgrimage to the places of Scripture and the steps of St. Paul, he received a very rough and cold reception by the Greek Orthodox in Egypt and Sinai. Anticipating his visit to Athens, the lay synod of the Greek Orthodox Church in the US wrote the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople expressing their outrage at the treatment of the Pope by their church in Egypt. They spoke of the bonds of friendship and affection between Greeks and Latins in the US and their deep respect toward the Pope and insisted they would not tolerate such treatment of John Paul II in Athens or Istanbul. They even unambiguously threatened to withhold funds to both Athens and Constantinople if John Paul II were shown disrespect. A miracle occurred when the Pope, during the meeting in Athens with the Greek bishops, expressed in the most heartfelt way his sorrow for the affront and destruction wreaked upon Constantinople by the Latin Crusaders and deeply apologized for the sins of the Catholic Church toward its Greek brothers and sisters. The reaction was stunning and emotional - an historical move toward healing a deep wound. Moreover, Orthodox patriarchs have been given their own beautiful churches for their liturgical use in Rome.
And now that this union has been consummated, we can see the filth the RC unleashed in the World with same-sex marriages infecting the Greek Orthodox churches in America. Where ever is catholicism there is sodom and Gomorrah.
@@quintaeco There is A LOT of sodom and gomorrah in the orthodox churches from low to high levels, they only keep it quiet like an omerta law, pretending to be righteous. Meanwhile the Catholic C is doing a cleaning up.
Albanian???no such thing
What should bring us together is our faith and love for Jesus.
Catholics need to renounce erroneous heresies and beliefs to be able to believe in Christ.
@@OrthodoxLife Cuales errores, los ortodoxos se separaron de la Iglesia Romana en 1054.
It’s funny how Christians of all denominations sing the same songs and practice in very similar fashion in Russia , yet would like to divide by labels. The differences in doctrine are minimal, why fight over them
Look at what happened to the monks at Mt Athos who concelebrated with the Papists.
@@maxamilianman4037 what happened?
Maxamilian Man what happened?
TK UA You are wrong there is not a small difference, but an abysmal, it is easy to say that when you do not understand what each one promulgates, the Orthodox never wanted unity, that is why they left and for that reason I think they do not have the truth, Protestants are a creation of the nobility, they wanted their own religion, so they invented some. There only left the catholic church.
Fighting is the basis of that culture. It not religion, it's politics or economics or any number of reasons. Look at the security services going at each other even in peaceful times.
I've never understood why people dive into the past as an excuse to hate on people.
Our Lord teaches us to forgive the sins of those, who have hurt us. Yet there are still Orthodox folks, who cant forgive the RCC for their past sins against them.
If we cant forgive the sins of those, who have hurt us, then how can we be forgiven from God?
We have no right to forgive
@@Србомбоница86 why??
If so , then Catholics also have a grudge they can act out on
If you learn to hate that much, you didn't learn it from Jesus.
Huge facts
8:04
False translation, eh, JewBC?
I am Russian and this guy said NOTHING about religious fascism.
The translation has NOTHING to do with what he actually said! I can't believe this.
@Arif Ahmed Khan it is hard to understand the context because it is so randomly cut. He is mentioning movies and cartoons from his childhood, he said that he now sees the complete opposite, that they are taking the russian culture, people are asking him and he sees it with his own eyes. The translation they gave is so random and has nothing to do with his words.
I am Jewish and it deeply saddens me to see beautiful pieces of art ruined. Not only that but my people also know a long history of being denied public worship and destruction of our public places of worship.
And why do you think that is Melissa?
I agree Melissa. Destruction of Babi Jar is a first class war crime. Even the Taliban destroy the Buddah of Bamian. That let us see that God is humble . Gods power is on an other level. It is the spiritual experience of so much in the concentrationcamps. God is suffering with us. An unbelievable message for mankind. I embrace you in Faith.
I am sorry for all this craziness.
I had a Russian Piano Teacher who family had to escape, they feared being all murdered, simply because Russia Government didn't like people like her Father being religious when their policies were against religion. So, their family run from Russia in fear of their life and went into China for safety. and eventually migrated to another country
The Orthodox and the Catholic Church are an apostolic church .
This a great rewriting of history. "The Orthodox church started collaborating with communism." From where??? Their prison cells??? And no one in the Orthodox church has any problems with Roman catholics or anyone else's right to exist. The Patriarch simply is distressed with the fact that the Vatican purposely built their churches in highly Orthodox areas, they sought out those areas, for no reason other than to try to convert the Orthodox. But that's the Roman Catholic Church for you. They say we're all brothers, they say we're all part of the same church, but in reality they don't believe any of that. In reality they hate us just as much today as they always have.
What do you mean "they're prison cells"? Stalinism, that which destroyed communism and dresses itself up in its corpse for the authoritarianism is linked at the hip to the Orthodox Church.
Joseph Stalin was the first Russian president to perform the ring kissing ceremony for the patriarch which every Russian leader has done since including Putin.
The Orthodox Church also colluded with the Nazis just as the Catholics did in an attempt to wipe out the pro people, or Marxist ideologies that were springing up, like Bolshevism, Socialism, Marxism, communism, humanism and of course… The Jews.
Stalin and Hitler were good buddies until the nonaggression pact was broken by Hitler, but this writer and a few others believe that Joseph Stalin was working together with the Nazis in part of a larger scheme to rewrite the sociology of humanity to create a class system where are the lower classes can be used by the upper classes in any way they see fit without such troublesome things like justice and law getting in their way.
What do you mean "they're prison cells"? Stalinism, that which destroyed communism and dresses itself up in its corpse for the authoritarianism is linked at the hip to the Orthodox Church.
Joseph Stalin was the first Russian president to perform the ring kissing ceremony for the patriarch which every Russian leader has done since including Putin.
The Orthodox Church also colluded with the Nazis just as the Catholics did in an attempt to wipe out the pro people, or Marxist ideologies that were springing up, like Bolshevism, Socialism, Marxism, communism, humanism and of course… The Jews.
Stalin and Hitler were good buddies until the nonaggression pact was broken by Hitler, but this writer and a few others believe that Joseph Stalin was working together with the Nazis in part of a larger scheme to rewrite the sociology of humanity to create a class system where are the lower classes can be used by the upper classes in any way they see fit without such troublesome things like justice and law getting in their way.
God saves the Orthodox Church
I agree with how lgbt is becaming norm in catholism, orthodox is only hope left
You cant call yourself orthodox after allowing Contraception and divorce
@@sakurakou2009what are yoz talking about?
I’m a cradle Catholic but love my orthodox brothers and sister
Hatred never pleases God.
True that is why the West is falling apart
One church one body Jesus Christ. Peter s church. Message from Jesus is love one another as I have loved you.Forgive one another humble yourself. Jesus spoke a lot about hyproticis.
Their patriarch became Putin’s altar boy. 😅
@@nikolavukicevic9799falling ? Like constantinople you mean ? 😂😂😂
in Russian, there is the Russian Greek Catholic Church of the Eastern Byzantine Rite by the way
Bravo! I admire the Byzantine Rite Catholics for their devotion and continuing tradition during the Divine Liturgy. The West can learn much from the East.
Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox are the same?
Very similar
@@leahflower9924 They are all Eastern Orthodox. For some reason, probably political, the Orthodox chi he’s adopted a model of autocephalous national churches, as opposed to one international (ie “catholic”) church which has caused them to become ethnically entrench.
I believe they prefer to call themselves Russian ORTHODOX Greek Catholics. I understand that they strictly observe the Russian Orthodox liturgical practices.
When Our Lady of Fatima's requests are heeded (to the letter) then there will be peace.
When you have a religion which teaches The Blessed Ever Virgin Mary Mother Of God was born with sin, separates the Trinity in their creed and rejects the true leader of God's church it makes me laugh that they've been jumping up and down for 1000 years claiming they are THE true church and were right all along! Hmmm ... TO THE POPE!!! CONSECRATE RUSSIA TO MY IMMACULATE HEART!!! gee, I wonder why!!!
Oh what total bollocks!
. . All these so-called "requests/secrets" end up being a list of "modernisations" that the older generations want reversed!
. . For example: "The Blessed Virgin will bring everlasting peace, IF:
* All abortions are made illegal
* The Pope stops visiting mosques
* The Latin Mass is restored EVERYWHERE
* Archbishop Lefevre (or latest Crank!) is made Pope
* All Jews must convert to Christianity
Catholic women abandoned by spouses do not remarry.
"They will hate you as they hated me"
Jesus Christ.
Orthodoxy ☦️
When you lie to the whole world of course people are going to hate you.
@@mihail7439 Cringe. Return to Rome
@@comradespiderman29 Cringe. Return to God
@@mimali118why do you hate?
I WANT RUSSIA 🇷🇺 TO REMAIN ORTHODOXY FOREVER AND NEVER TO ACCEPT CATHOLICISM! ROMAN CATHOLICISM IS NOTHING FOR RUSSIA🇷🇺! WITHOUT ALEXANDER NEVSKY THERE WOULD BE NO RUSSIA 🇷🇺 SO GOD SAVE RUSSIA!
The Orthodox Church is growing.
In Ireland, we don't stop Russian & Polish migrants from celebrating their Orthodox Christian weddings in our Catholic Church in town, only if their own church is too far away. In my town, we Christians go into each other's churches for Christmas hymns, weddings, funerals, etc.
If you know the history of the Roman Catholic/Latins in Russia, you would understand why they would not be welcome.
We in croatia have terror and genocide inspired from ortodox church we should ban them also
Tell us
Russians dont know suffering from vatican ,ONLY us Serbs SERBS KNOW IT
All this bravado against Catholics but Muslims and Istanbul is right next to you and you don't do anything? 🤔😂
2002 documentary and all that backing from the state.
Yes, orthodox loves Muslims
@@rodrigofranca9787 Since when??!! We have many martyrs from the Muslim Yoke. Don't talk about something you have no idea about.
You orthodox, ! ? You hate Catholic faith...
You hate your brother??
Wtf ?!
May Jesus have mercy on you
Orthodox worship Jesus christ no the pope . You will find the truth soon about it.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet
@@susmilethambi6975 Nosottos los católicos no adoramos al papa adoramos a Dios, es como decir que adoran a su patriarca.
The "patriarch" worked with the KGB??? Holyshit. That tells you all you need to know who's who
The Roman Pope actually held negotiations with the early Bolsheviks, so this is a non-argument. Yes, the Moscow Patriarchate has some issues, but they are at least part of the True Church of Christ.
NICE
@@gravelroad1228 guy is a kgb spy lol
@@rejubarchgliasis1830
You’re right. I’ve changed since I made that comment. I’m still Orthodox Christian but now I’m True Orthodox, no longer part of the MP
I have to take this documentary in context, being it was filmed in 2002. I was curious as to why the RC's were building such a huge church in Pskov? Did they have such a huge RC congregation to fill it? Most of the RC's in Russia are of Polish or Lithuanian descent, or descendants of Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholics living in Russia. Very few are Orthodox who flipped. I think the Orthodox should worry about Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Hare Krishnas a bit more than RCs, and those in Orthodoxy (today as against 2002) should further question why they want the enter the RC church led by Francis?
The key point is that there's no religious freedom in russia.
Joan Vila that is good
Stupid Questions. In the nearby future, the OC shall be empty like in the communist time. Congretulations with this mess.
Why would it be a cause for your curiosity why Catholics are building a big Church?! Are you being forced in any way by the Catholic Church to contribute money? No? Then it does not concern you.
@Brooklyn Dave As you say, this is a 2002 production but it gives context to what is going on now on 2022 with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It confirms the danger when church and state rule together. To Putin and Russian OC the war in Ukraine is a "holy war" because the breaking away of the Ukrainian OC from the Moscow Patriarchy, strengthened the false belief that Ukraine must be "saved".
But God is at work and the Church (comprising all believers in Jesus Christ), is the Body of Christ and He is the Head!! As we near His return, He is, through the Holy Spirit, sorting out the "tares from the wheat". May those who have ears to hear, hear before it is to late!
It doesn't matter whether we are Catholic or Orthodox Christians. The most important things we are brother in Christ and we accept the Lord Jesus, our saviour. That's it.❤
Finally someone who uses common sense
@@arctic_shadow578 it’s not common sense , if the Church you are in calls another legitimate church heretics , you might have a problem
What matters now is our unity
The most important thing is that we become united
No, because the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. The others weren't
Well, whatever you do, proceed in the love of God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.
Roman Catholic Apostolic Church allows and tolerate all religious sects to build and contradict her, but orthodox, protestants, muslims and evangelical refused entry not Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.
You are not appostolic
Unfortuanetly we now have pope who is d.evil who lick foots of muslims and migrantsa he is weak men
Well.... that’s what you get from a divorced, Communist loving, bishop who the Soviet State decides would make a great Patriarch
Bishops are monks so how could he bee divorced.
As a Traditional Catholic, I have a lot of appreciation for the Orthodox Church and our Orthodox brothers, but I have often seen that the same is not offered to us by them. May one day the two Churches be united, in Jesus' name.
This bishop is from Poland, this is the main reason he has been expelled. Especially from Siberia where Nikon’s of polish citizens has been send in 19 and 20 century.
History is complicated in this part of the world.
And God, as punishment, allowed them to schism, with multiple Russian churches claiming authority and Moscow excommunicating Greek Orthodox. God continues to fulfill His prophecy, concerning the true Church as visible, invisible and unconquerable. History proves it, with Orthodox failing miserably to defend Christianity and the Catholics defeating all enemies of the Cross
Good ,just leave us Orthodox alone already
Crazy 2 religions preaching love forgiveness and piece both at each other's throats throwing accusations around about each other like children. ....great example both of them....not
i heard putin banging on about freedom of religion in another video. hippocrite
Im cathlic ,
Im also love orthadox
@michel Font links?
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We are NOT in full communion with the Orthodox and this is not a new phenomenon. I experienced refusal of communion in Orthodox churches in Moscow and Leningrad even during the 1980s. Anyone who believes reciprocal communion is active is deluded. Several Popes have made many approaches but the Metropolitans either aren't interested or are not permitted to indulge in meaningful discussions. The Anglicans are closer to the Orthodox than we are!
exacly the Anglicans and Lutherans are closer to Old belivers and Eastrn Orthodox apostolic than the Catholics rand Sedeavacantists
Of course you’ll be refused communion at an Orthodox Church. You’re not Orthodox
@@dpwXXIPolskaPolak the Anglicans have female priests 😂
What is the State today(September 2020)?
no matter what you do we cannot deny the fact that the catholic church is the true church founded by Jesus
No,not roman church
Most of the Early Fathers denied it. Most said the rock was Peter's confession, not Peter himself.
It’s always about power. What kind of people are these Russians?
Gods people
It is nice to see people living their Christian faith.
@taylorrowe2002 I agree 100 percent . They teach from the Bible and obey its laws. They are not lawless.
That is why they lose Balkans and Constantinople
Because the Catholics stabbed us in the back
Orthodox Groyper the Orthodox literally conspired with the Soviet government to persecute and murder Catholics. Even if what you say about Constantinople came anywhere close to representing the actual historical facts, youhave no leg to stand on.
@@GuadalupePicasso hey orthodox Christians are not going to persecute Catholics, not in a million years. On the other hand, the catholic church is controlled by freemasons and we can expect anything from it and they killed many orthodox Christians throughout history even helping other religions against us. Regarding the authority issue, orthodox bishops meet when they want to make a decision concerning specific issues.
georges k Dude, Orthodox Christians HAVE killed Catholics in the past, both directly and indirectly.
In my thinking, this doesn’t invalidate the Orthodox Church’s claims to being the one, true church; it serves as a reminder that the church, even its leaders, are sometimes full of sinners, even of the most horrible types.
@@orthodoxgroyper2298 Your Misled.
The Pope needs to consecrate Russia to Mother Mary's immaculate heart as per the 3 Rd warning of Fatima!
I thought he already had.
No Pope JPaul was supposed to but many would argue that his efforts were not according to the direction of the mother Mary. The proper consecration has yet to be done.
@@charmainekirk1512 Many thanks for the heads up.
Our Lady of Fatima
wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fatima
Keep your Fatima prelest. We have no need of Roman nonsense--or the Pope. What has Vatican II done but to bring irrelgiosity into the church? Holding services with pagans and Muslims!
What does it mater what church you belong to. We all worship the same God…Jesus Christ and Glory and Honour to God the Father. We are to love him, each other, and come together as children of the one true, Devine God. For me, I fallow or belong to no Religion, I am Christian.
If you follow Christ’s teachings, you will know He came to make a religion
Religion is what gave you the Bible in the first place
Just because humans are bickering doesn’t mean we should leave the Church behind.
Remember Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Christ
The fourth Catholic crusade is directly responsible for the fall of Byzantium and the following conquests of Islam with the failure of the crusades.
All the Catholic scandals are horrendes too…
A Christian Church that side with a war criminal deserves no respect.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
Catholicos means in Greek Universal
as a Orthodox Christian convert from the RC church I recall all the Uniate efforts in Eastern Europe & even other areas where the monotones, Jesuits, Opus Dei & other secretive groups that terrorize non Roman Catholics this is well sad. No I dont want to force others to live as I do even as I hope as many as possible will convert to Holy Orthodoxy as I & others did.
**I also know that there was a agreement in place w/the Vatican & Moscow Patriarch not send any new Roman Catholic Bishops to Russia, that was broken by pope John Paul2 as most are by the Vatican when it doesnt suit its purpose. The western Christians have been openly hostile to Orthodoxy in many forms, so the over reaction sometimes is understood but not justified in this light. I dont again support force of anyone to convert to Holy Orthodoxy but this lacks total depth if much depth.
blah blah
@@stephenlosch2015 No 1 cares Stephen, get over yourself DUDE
Have you seen the Catholics made Orthodox unwelcome in their area. If you have seen some, can you tell me where? Even in Rome, there is a Russian Orthodox church there.
Jesuits terrorise non Catholics? You sure about that.😂
@@rokvelic2945 yes. After Vatican 2 the Roman Catholic church admitted Jesuit tactics against Orthodox Christians and others when they were loyalists to the Pope. Deal with facts
In the beginning the church was what is now the Greek Orthodox Church established about 33-34 A D. Then correct me on this, the Papacy is established about 417 A D in Rome. Then the Russian Orthodox Church is established in the Ninth Century. Then in 1054 A D is the Great Schism. I’ve been to Russia and Alaska and converted to the Orthodox Church. Here in the U S we have the ROCOR and the OCA and the Greek Orthodox Church.
I am involved in a comment war that I don’t belong to, seriously, everyone here is arguing each other over whether the orthodoxs or Catholics are right. I am not even Christian, but here I am.
It's never late:)
Well from a Protestant perspective I find the Orthodox to have more validity with its doctrines. The filioque isnt correct. Orthodox do seem to have it right on that important premise between RC and EO. Look at the relationship of Isaac, Eliezer and Avraham in Genesis. That is the very relationship of the Father sending the Helper to find a bride for His Son. A complete rejection of filioque and all one has to do is read the first book of Torah. the relationship of Avraham sending Eliezer to find a Bride for his son Isaac....
You can't tell if a priest is KGB or not in Russia, so....whatever
But he is.
Do keep up with the times. The KGB is now the FSB.
@@ristei Kirill. Yes he was an agent of the KGB, now an agent of the FSB.
Well so what about the Tsars being the patriarchs?
The Church should be One under one shepherd which Christ had chosen.
God Bless Christian Orthodox Mother Russia
much Love and Respect from a Syriac Orthodox Christian
Do u support russia in war against ukraine?? Good christian u r...arnt u??
@@mathewalmeida1937 a good nazi is a dead nazi in 1945 and in 2022
We should be one religion... John 10:16... I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.
There was one church until 1054 when the east split from being in communion with the church of Rome.
@@anthonylangford7797 You mean when the West split by becoming azymites and they changed the creed. The ones that change are the schismatics do you understand Papist. Oh the West also raised its one Patriarch to a God like status. too.
This is so badly researched.
What are you talking about? Please explain.
this entire video is only to spread hate. the Orthodox Church is the True Church of Christ and this video makes it look like something entirely else...
The Orthodox Church (Churches, since there is not even one Orthodox Church) is (are) afraid of the Truth (Christ), because Christ is only One, and one is the True Chuch (the Catholic Church).
And it is not pride to win over the other just to be proud of winning; the winning is when authentic truth is said to convince and when authentic and humbleness of accepting the truth; therefore there is no loser, but only winners
The Catholic Church is made up of a communion of 20+ churches. Is it not possible for something similar in Orthodoxy?
The pope changed some of the 10 commandments which was given by God.
@@susmilethambi6975 I’m an atheist and couldn’t care less about your religious fairy tales, but even I know that that’s not true.
@@Twittler1lol you are pro catholic ,and a russophobe
Satin dwells in this house, not the Lord.
@2:45 "..wants a return to the Soviet Past.". Lies
I see nothing wrong with establishing a state religion, especially when it is the right one.
Show us where Jesus the Christ teaches to establish a faith of state religions, like that for ancient Israel to separate out others. He established One Catholic, Universal Church for the teaching all nations. State religion is the sad state of religion of the national 'Orthodxies' frozen in the past without a unified means of coming together to decide anything doctrinal for hundreds of years. But you are quite happy not seeing this as anything wrong. If it is a state church it is not like God, the right One.
Here we go 🙄
Ubi Petrus Ibi Ecclesia, Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus
outside of the Orthodox Church??
@@Taleton which Orthodox “Church”? Russian one? Serbian one? Antiochian one? etc.
@@trubangTrang those are all the same church, mate
@@homerpimpson9855 lol no. There is no such thing called “Orthodox” “Church”, only “Orthodox” “ChurchES”. They dont even have a common canonized books of the Bible.
@@trubangTrang Serbian, Russian, Antiochan, etc are truly in full communion with each other. It is one church.
Anything that involves violence is against the preaching of lord Jesus Christ of nezareth.
Thank you for your part in saving Planet Earth from the Not- Zees, so many lives sacrificed to save Russia, to save Jewish and Christian peoples !
Praise Jesus, Love LOVE, Love All Beings, Love your Self, and Love enemies and create new friendships !
Your russian government is corrupt and your evil President will be punished in eternal hell for waging the unjust war against so many people in Ukraine. There will be time when you will either realise that or you will be punished by your own conscience. No God can help people with evil in their hearts.
All Christians worship the same God. I still don't understand what they were fighting about.
As a non demomational Christian but studying church history I've learned that they don't agree with on the matter of the Pope being infallible and the head of the church on earth which the Orthodox don't agree with as they believe Jesus is the head of the church both in heaven and earth and the other key disagreement is the "Filioque" the catholic believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from Jesus, but the orthodox believe it doesn't but they still both believe in the Trinity and the other difference is Catholics believe in purgatory and the Orthodox don't...they are both very similar and traditional and come from the same Church that Jesus made on earth but split around 1000ad and soon after the protestestans split from the Catholic church around 1500ad and many churches broke off and now we have many denominations who all believe they are right
Holy Bible is the TRUTH alone not the rituals or traditions of men🙏 Lord Jesus Christ is the way the TRUTH and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Him🙏❤️🕊 REPENT, believe in the Gospel
Strong Believer of the Holy The Church Fathers who wrote your bible we’re Orthodox. Everything we do is in relation to the Bible. Do more research ☦️🙏🏽
Joseph Foteh Exodus 20:4 You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Jesus Christ has built only one Church under the leadership of Peter. This division of the Church pains Jesus's heart so much as He wants that all must be One....
Not right but to be fair, the Roman-Catholic church was way less tolerant, and far more ruthless, back in the medieval, very dark ages. Anyways, not cool for any religious group, especially one calling itself Christian at all, to show any kind of animosity or intolerance. All claiming Christianity is supposed to show love to one another. Just as Christ instructed.
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando we Serbs know Vatican very well ,you wanted forcefully to convert us and those you couldn't ,you killed
@@Србомбоница86 serb ortodox was undsr ottomans and they have free hand convert catholics to ortodox read ćorović about that question.
@@Србомбоница86 What rubbish. No-one in the west gives a toss what religion you are. And most western christians are protestant anyway. They want nothing to do with Rome.
We attacked Serbia because it was backing the Serbian militias in bosnia (remember Sarajevo?) with arms and personnel. If we’d left Serbia alone to do what it wanted, there wouldn’t be a Bosnian, muslim, or Kosovan left alive in all of the Balkans. There’d be fewer Croatians as well. If it was completely up to Serbia, the Balkans would contain only Serbs and Greeks. Religion wasn’t even a consideration.
So because of past wrong doing , their behavior is justified ??
If so, Latins also have a bone to pick with Orthodox for past sins
Orthodox literally sided with Ottomans at some point and angry mobs killed Latin laymen
Far more aggression was shown towards Catholics in the first place
The end time is near for both.
Hey, it's the catholics who started screeching about Orthodox being heretics and schismatics...
while, themselves, being heretics and schismatics.
Historically, no
The people who started pointing fingers and calling people heretics are those that schismed
As in the Orthodox because the Roman Catholic division started appointing Popes and whatever other political problem you had
It’s not good to change history
And saying they did it first does not justify ill treatment.
We are supposed to be followers of Christ
Now...what are the names of these two saints?. Do you know?? and do you know ....that Russians and Ukranians..are related. Actually they are brothers..by their Orthodox baptism..Lord have mercy....make peace my brothers..yes I am orthodox as well...Stop this war now....Please..
Don't forget millions of Ukrainian Catholics who are in full communion with the Holy See, and their Patriarch Sviatoslav who is the global head and father of Ukrainian Catholics. He posts on You Tube frequently from Kyiv.
God bless him and ALL Ukrainians.
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The Patriarch of Moscow is who pushed Putin to invade Ukraine and refuse to call it an invasion or condemn Putin like religious and secular leaders around the globe have.Patriarch Kyril has also called the innocent Ukrainians defending their country from Russian aggression "Evil doers".The Russian Orthodox Church is not apostolic in origin and is just a department of the Russian regime who's Tsar or President is head of it.
Me too,
@@richlopez5896 On the other hand, our Lady of La Salette prophecised that Rome will become the seat of Antichrist, and the vatican are now fully in control by the freemasons ,we also witnessed that they bow down to idol pachamama and many Catholic claimed that their Pope is an antipope and is apostate.
Kirill was a KGB agent code named Michailov and a founding member of the corrupt and Masonic World Council of Churches. He has a vast yacht, and many palaces. Putin built him another as he hates the sound of trains. 50 hats too.
@@richlopez5896 Ever wonder if you're wrong about that? What if the Russian people have an understanding of Christianity that was established in Greek speaking Constantinople; the center of Christianity until the Catholic Crusaders sacked Constantinople in like the 1200s?
Alexander Nevsky had the opportunity to convert to Catholicism and he would have been like King Eric of Sweden. Instead, he deprived his nation of many benefits.
"brothel", or in this case "bordello" is spot on as the fear of the young man expresses - and as anyone who has an experience of the West will - or not - admit to!
Of course until we realise Russia is among the top 10 countries for human trafficking, domestic and export (Borgen Report). In the Far East, when the average joe speaks of Russian girls, it's hardly a modest veiled Orthodox peasant girl. Prostitution is not a unique Western problem. It is universal. All the cosmetics, politics and hypocrisy do not hide its age. And it is no coincidence that catholic institutions are at the fore of rehabilitating sex workers. Christ came to save sinners, including and most significantly, Mary Magdalene.
A judaised pharisaical christian forgets his own sins while condemning the world!???
@@wenshan9101 : as expressed in the video, the issue here, is a question of ideologies: an 'Italianate-Western-Augustinian mindset or a Patristic Orthodox phronema. The manifold historical vicissitudes of Russia's encounter with the papal west has her well placed to decide for herself.
@@wenshan9101 : all the more reason Putin wants NATO and all its enormities out!
@@terrytzaneros8007 Allow me to share a Thomas Merton quote,
"Dostoevski, in The Brothers Karamazov, shows us what Rozanov has called an 'eternal conflict' in monasticism - and doubtless in christianity itself. The conflict between the rigid, authoritarian, self-righteous, ascetic Therapont, who delivers himself from the world by sheer effort, and then feels qualified to call down curses upon it; and the Staretz, Zossima, the kind, compassionate man of prayer who identifies with the sinful and suffering world in order to call down God's blessings upon it."
I have always wondered why Merton, completely immersed in the desert fathers and Eastern monasticism, chose to be catholic. You're right about pronema, on account of how we struggle to place the lamp on a lampstand. Patristic and orthodox or ethnocentric and nationalistic makes the difference.
Btw, is Putin's military operation your war against the west? Or maybe you prefer silence and neutrality?
8:03 - 8:26 lol the translation is exceptionally wrong and it isn't even near to what he was saying
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AMEN🌞
Hasn't the Russian Orthodox Church recently split from the Greek Orthodox Church. Why I don't know.
Greece is too friendly with Catholics
This is insane, to believe these are churches that preach the same message of salvation through Christ.
no they absolutely don't