@@hoffl09 consider you are very likely to get Yogg down for an extremely low value of mana, you may just play him and every tendril in the same turn for significantly less than 10 mana.
@@FlyingMan23 While that's a cool idea idk if he's good enough to be one of the only three minions you're running Like silvermoon is necessary to reverse a game against aggro, jotunn is so much value it almost wins by itself, and if you go the spell relic path xy'mox helps a lot, if you go for a more traditional spell dh deck perhaps you can cut him but it's risky still
About the "you're playing all those minions s you're not discounting yogg" : Yogg reads "costs 1 less for each spell you've cast this game". Cast, not played, so unless I'm mistaken, every tentacle does discount yogg.
Might test the 4 mana 4/4 that deals 3 to all in Relic DH. Condition doesn't seem too bad to satisfy, more board clears are nice to get through aggro matchups, and if you have the Argus Titan on board this can be used as another Silvermoon Arcanist+Unleash Fel combo(or if on 9 mana you can go Titan -> Reduce minion cost by 2 to play him for 2 mana.) Another card for synergy with Enchanter as well. And if you get the cost reduced off of Relic of Dimensions it can help in a clutch situation.
Tentacle swarm should have filled your hand and board with tendrils. Yes the ones on board wouldn’t trigger, but it would be a proactive tempo ability. Alternatively it could have said add 10 tendrils to your hand and bottom of deck. That way it wouldn’t screw up your draws but could play towards fatigue. Alternatively again, it could have added a bonus effect to the tendrils like fill your hand with tendrils, your tendrils trigger twice this game or your tendrils have echo this game.
Also Forbidden Fruit can be made to grant both choose effects with the 4 drop minion or the forge spell. Getting 10 Attack and 20 Armor for 10 mana seems good lol.
I think the Chaotic Tendrils might be better than people expect. Once you hit 6 cost spells, there are very very few misses, if any. At 10, pretty much all the results are good, except Pyroblast, or at least funny with Convoke the Spirits. 5 and lower you have pretty iffy results, but in a dedicated deck... It could do work. Probably not a good enough plan to win in standard though.
I love that you guys are trying to be creative, but we have numerous examples of this not working in the past. A card casting a spell is different than YOU casting a spell. So unless they fundamentally alter the ruleset, this won't work.
I figured that it wouldn't work, since it never did in the past, but it feels like it should. Like the point of the tendrils to be unleashing yogg, while simultaneously powering his big special ability. The tendril package feels more viable if yogg says "cost 1 less for each spell you or a chaotic tendril cast this game"
I think this single point pulls the quality of the tendril package/Yogg down a TON. I was also assuming that the spells cast off tendrils would count as you casting spells, but you're totally right... Bummer
But the chaotic tendril does state "cast a random spell" it should count as cast a spell to discount yogg. I would think that's why they made chaotic tendrils in this mini set.
I see Yogg played in rogue with multiple ways to bounce him back to hand. Theoretically you could play Yogg 2-3 times in 1 turn really quickly. Take all the opponents big stuff and kill the rest
I think the armor is compelling on the forbidden druid card. I think it needs to be recognized that even casting it at 10 for 20 armor when you just need some more HP isn't a situation that will never happen.
Those 1 mana 1/1s will be such a consistant chaos, because so far there is 5? 10 mana spells, 3 9 mana spells and it can go either very poorly for you or very good
maybe the prisonbreaker should have a battlecry like: "for each 2 spells you've cast this game, deal 1 damage to all enemies." or "deal 0 damage to all enemies (improved for every 2 spells you've cast this game)" the first one seems to me like it would do the damage repeatedly one for one, but the second one has a 0 in it which looks kind of odd... maybe go with 1 damage at a base?
I think the tendrils should be discover, but the choices only last on screen for 1.5 seconds. makes you really engage to get a good choice and lends to the chaos whenever you miss a more optimal choice.
Contaminated Lasher being 4 mana regain on a battlecry sounds fun if you get to double up or repeat your battlecries. Would be very fun with things like Bran (2 mana refresh 8 - net 6 gain), or Brilliant Macaw / Shudderwock style effects (both of these being shaman exclusives from the past).
Brann wouldn't be much of a net gain the turn you play him since 3 + 2 = 5 mana, thus you're netting a 3 mana refresh. Brann would need to survive for a turn in order to net 6 mana which almost never happens since Brann is a must kill target. That being said it does open up slightly more mana in the Brann turn making Brann essentially "free", you're only paying mana for the Lasher.
Honestly, the way to do it would be add a 1 cost chaos spell to your hand Chaos spells are temporary copies that target randomly and cost 0 So they have the spell synergy that yogg wants and the choice to not play the spell if it's not good
The card seems pretty alright and would slot into alot of control decks easily as its versatile . Card seems good even if you get it down to something like 6 mana and is extremely versatile especially compared to something like Sylvanus .
Sylvanas is an old classic card though. Extremely powerful back in the days since the game was much more minion focused, now she's just too slow and has been powercrept. No one really plays Sylvanas anymore too
I didn't know that the tendrils wouldn't count toward the spell count on Yogg, they are just far more useless now. Looks fun to just test it all in a random duels or standard.
Don't know how good Yogg will be as a package *by itself*, but in conjunction with other spell-based packages, I don't see why it couldn't be good. Rogue has some decent synergy with bounce around and shadowstep. Yes, normally bounce around wouldn't be very good, but since all the tentacles are 1 mana anyways, you don't actually have to play them on the same turn and it just becomes a 3 mana board bounce. You can play Yogg, fill your hand with tendrils, play them all, then bounce back everything making Yogg cheaper for next turn. Also, the big positive of old Yogg was that you eventually got some sort of board clear, and while that might not be as likely now, you have plenty of tools to fiddle around with and an insane amount of value with tendrils. And a deck like miracle rogue already plays 600 spells by turn 5, so that's not even a hindrance for the most part. Sif mage is another one, though for a slightly different reason. You might still play Yogg, but in Sif mage getting access to random spells means getting a chance to cast spell schools mage doesn't have access to. The tendrils are really what you're after, Yogg is just a good followup and can give you even more lethality or survivability out of nowhere. The deck also doesn't care about making weird plays, it already cheats a ton of mana and clears the board efficiently. It might not be amazing right now, but it's also not unplayable, maybe with the tendrils it'll actually gain some consistency just in the sheer number of random chances you're getting at holy/fel/nature spells. It seems like the package is better in archetypes that want kind of specific things they don't normally have access to. There are also a lot of random spells that generate things, so perhaps you get generated cards often enough that it gives you consistency on the backend. I'm not totally sold on this package being unusable, I think people just aren't thinking outside the box enough. There'll be some tier 2-3 deck that uses this madness, I'm almost certain of it.
I wish Yogg had "Cast a random spell for each tendril you played this game" instead of the tendril ability. Would make running tendril cards worth it even more and keep the spirit of his previous incarnations.
Forbidden fruit looks insane ! Given certain conditions I see it being a 20 attack st least on turn 10 without Guff !!! Yogg looks interesting. The tentacle option looks cliche'. Too bad the wheel was not included or an effect for using an ability like casting 3 random spells after each one or adding two random minions to your hand or spells.
The tendrils should be crazy once you get to 9 mana spells there's only sun well and the scourge that I can think of. At 10 it's from da other side, pyroblast and the DK spell that I can remember
i think you might underestimate the tendrils. sure they can backfire but as a rogue you might cast a random 3 or 4 cost spell as soon as turn 2 maybe even turn 1 with chogall shenanigans
Yeah, seems like the tendrils might be the best in Rogue, mainly on the strength of that deal 3 card. On the other hand though, Yogg seems like a card for a control or a spell-heavy midrange deck, which Rogue might have problems creating, so even the main payoff deck for his tendril option wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it. Pretty sad, at least the tendrils seem like a fun addition to the Casino Mages of the world or whatnot.
Cho'gall only has a 25% chance to trigger tho and you might not even get the anomaly you want. Way too RNG heavy for any competitive decks but sure for memes it works
when you get to tentacle 10, every tentacle from there on has a 1/5 chance to cast 8 random druid spells lol or it might just pyroblast your face, who knows
Correct, the tendrils cast them. YOU do not cast them. Yogg specifies spells that YOU cast. This interaction has been seen in game many times, it does not work. Just like Rommath doesn't cast spells from Nagalings.
Nailed it. All the tentacle giving cards seem like real cards printed in the original whispers of the old gods. Weird cost and stats with no board impact. Compare that to something like cards most classes have. Flunky gets a taunt. Is a taunt. Good stats. Cheap. That 5 mana Tentacle giver is just sad to look at. Like packing a Worgen Greaser back then.
@@kripperinoobviousino6019 we have seen in the past other cards that do that, but i also misread the card. we have seen cards where their "improvement" was not just 1 aspect of the card but multiple. i can't remember the card off hand, but wanted to make sure that the tenticles do not get multi variable improvement.
Not sure why no ones talking about the condition on yogg and prison breaker (and lasher). The tenticles cast the spells which progresses the condition "if you CAST # spells...". So basically you're advancing these payoff cards while spending mana to cast random spells. Yes, it will be inconsistent, but a deck running tenticals will most likely be playing from behind, and random spells are mostly better when playing from behind. I have hope at least one tentical deck might make tier 2
Have you never played Hearthstone before? YOU need to cast the spells in order to discount Yogg, not the tendrils. This mechanic is seen in countless other cards like Crash of Thunder, Shadow of Demise, The Garden's Grace and Wisdom of Norgannon
@kripperinoobviousino6019 yeah you're totally right. Idk why that feels counterintuitive to me even though we've seen it before. Must be rusty with game mechanics, haven't played in a while
Tendrils aren't spells, if you've played Hearthstone before you'd know that cards casting spells randomly doesn't count for spell discounts. You're not casting the spell, the tendril is casting it
I find it a bit baffling that the new Yogg (or any other Yogg for that matter) has absolutely no synergy with the tendrils. The tendrils don't count as spells, and most of the cards that generate them are minions too. I know that they won't do this, but I think they should code the Tendrils to count towards the spell casts for Yogg.
A little surprised that you're so down on Prison Breaker. It's a neutral 3 damage AOE on a 4/4 body, 3 damage goes face. I dunno, can't imagine it's never looked at.
Mage is going to be a bigger pain in the ass with this mini set. Now they get Yogg for free (Easy to get him to 0 mana) and she'll steal your Titan. To to mention her spell that summons a boardwide of 4/5 elementals basically has rush now with Yogg.
Would Prison Breaker be too broken if spells after 5 added +1 more damage to the effect? You could maybe push back the mana cost for balancing purposes. Otherwise an easy 1 star for me
I think the tendril woud discount yogg and count for prison breaker cause they whrote cast and not played so i think they work this way and might be bether than you think. And that's why we see tendrils in those 5 spell conditions card art ( I supose ....)
No they don't discount Yogg, if you've played Hearthstone before you would know, YOU need to cast the spells. In this instance the tendrils are casting them. This works the same way as cards like Convoke the Spirits or Deck of Wonders, they didn't discount anything either. Such an effect would be too strong
This feeling when Hearthstone changed to make insane statistic in just few turns and then they try to release something like chaotic tendrils I mean this card might be usefull/fun in old hearthstone but nowadays damn it's just too slow
In standard? How would Rogue or Druid play Yogg on turn 2? Tell me the cards required because I can't wrap my head around it. Even in Wild it seems difficult unless you have the nuts opening
@@iuricunhamurakami8261 was talking about wild dont play standard. Druid had enough mana refreshs that tony druid exists. And off the top of my head loan shark could be used in some kinda deathrattle set up. For turn 3 - 4
@@JackSmith-rr1od I am talking about wild miracle rouge as well Coin, fake coin, prep, secret passage, gear shift, you could very easily drop yogg on turn 4 for 0 mana
Hey Regis. First of all: I agree with you, that Tendrils are not very good. But I have to imagine, that Yogg Saron still is a 5Star card. Imagine Control Warlock or Relic Demon Hunter. Both of them constantly clear the board with spells, both of them go the very long game. And at some point, you will be able to play a let´s say 5 Mana Yogg and steal their biggest stuff or wiping their board, while also adding still more threatening effects. And on top of that you have quite some mana left to work with. A Demon Hunter could easily bring 2 8/8s on the board as well with relics, a warlock could play lokan for instance (okay, 4 mana yogg...) So not only do you have a cheap way to deal with something or even steal it, but you also can create an extreme amount of board pressure. Most Titans die before they can use their third ability anyway, so let the tendrils be the last one and have an insane control option. And if your ahead somehow, the tendrils might just be good enough, even without more synergies. Let´s say you get 5 of them and you play them out. I feel you are pretty likely to draw some cards, get a random secret and kill one of your and your opoonents minions. Not awesome, but okay. Needles to say: Yogg can easily even be 0 Mana, since you´re playing so much spells, that discover spells. So you get a 0 Mana board clear maybe, or a steal and still can build an insane amount of stuff. I don´t think I would cut him in any spellbased deck.
I can practically guarantee forbidden fruit is getting banned in wild so long as guff is still relevant. 20 mana = 20 attack; together with a forged windfury weapon or a "combine both" effect is an unfun swing turn to go up against.
That won't be banned at all, do you realize how slow that is? Decks go way faster than the time it would take to pull off such a slow combo. The matches are most often decided before turn 5-6 with crazy aggro rushing you down or some broken combo bursting you down from nowhere
Hate to be so negative, but this miniset feels awful. Yog needed to be exciting but he just feels like a core set priest 8 drop. This isnt doing what a miniset needs to do - concince me to come back after I'm bored of the expansion.
I'm glad that Yogg looks good but you're rarely going to see the tentacle option go off so it's not going to really feel like a Yogg card.
They should cost 0 so it's kinda like the 2nd Yogg, where you get spells costing 0.
@@hoffl09 consider you are very likely to get Yogg down for an extremely low value of mana, you may just play him and every tendril in the same turn for significantly less than 10 mana.
@@superbaas8822 Yeah, you're right didnt think about the discount of yogg.
Feels like he might be good in relic dh, they cast so many spells they might be able to play him turn 6, 7, or 8
I think you mean Spell* DH. You can pair this with the Scythe legendary, right?
@@FlyingMan23 1Scythe - 3 Yoggs!
I like this idea with the aforementioned scythe
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While that's a cool idea idk if he's good enough to be one of the only three minions you're running
Like silvermoon is necessary to reverse a game against aggro, jotunn is so much value it almost wins by itself, and if you go the spell relic path xy'mox helps a lot, if you go for a more traditional spell dh deck perhaps you can cut him but it's risky still
Can't wait to put cho gall and yogg in my casino mage deck for very deserved wins (I let Yogg take the wheel)
PRAISE YOGG!!!!
PRAISE YOGG
About the "you're playing all those minions s you're not discounting yogg" :
Yogg reads "costs 1 less for each spell you've cast this game". Cast, not played, so unless I'm mistaken, every tentacle does discount yogg.
Might test the 4 mana 4/4 that deals 3 to all in Relic DH. Condition doesn't seem too bad to satisfy, more board clears are nice to get through aggro matchups, and if you have the Argus Titan on board this can be used as another Silvermoon Arcanist+Unleash Fel combo(or if on 9 mana you can go Titan -> Reduce minion cost by 2 to play him for 2 mana.) Another card for synergy with Enchanter as well. And if you get the cost reduced off of Relic of Dimensions it can help in a clutch situation.
Forbidden Fruit is just Forbidden Healing on crack. You have the option of 20 healing, 10 attack, or with the right set up, both. I love it!
Tentacle swarm should have filled your hand and board with tendrils. Yes the ones on board wouldn’t trigger, but it would be a proactive tempo ability.
Alternatively it could have said add 10 tendrils to your hand and bottom of deck. That way it wouldn’t screw up your draws but could play towards fatigue.
Alternatively again, it could have added a bonus effect to the tendrils like fill your hand with tendrils, your tendrils trigger twice this game or your tendrils have echo this game.
Also Forbidden Fruit can be made to grant both choose effects with the 4 drop minion or the forge spell. Getting 10 Attack and 20 Armor for 10 mana seems good lol.
Combine with guff in wild and omu
The new yogg is the perfect minion to put into scythe demon hunter, will use him in that deck.
Yogg seems like a pretty good board clear for classes that don’t have one. You can’t go tall or wide against it.
Oh, I just realized that the tendrils upgrade each other. Bounce rogue let's gooooooo
Yogg looks very fun. Definitley running an arcane hunter and I am probably adding in Yogg for the fun factor
I think the Chaotic Tendrils might be better than people expect. Once you hit 6 cost spells, there are very very few misses, if any. At 10, pretty much all the results are good, except Pyroblast, or at least funny with Convoke the Spirits.
5 and lower you have pretty iffy results, but in a dedicated deck... It could do work. Probably not a good enough plan to win in standard though.
Wouldn't Yog get discounted by playing the chaotic tendrils? He reads as spells you have "cast" and not "played"
no, you dont cast the spells the tendrils do
I love that you guys are trying to be creative, but we have numerous examples of this not working in the past.
A card casting a spell is different than YOU casting a spell. So unless they fundamentally alter the ruleset, this won't work.
I figured that it wouldn't work, since it never did in the past, but it feels like it should. Like the point of the tendrils to be unleashing yogg, while simultaneously powering his big special ability. The tendril package feels more viable if yogg says "cost 1 less for each spell you or a chaotic tendril cast this game"
I think this single point pulls the quality of the tendril package/Yogg down a TON. I was also assuming that the spells cast off tendrils would count as you casting spells, but you're totally right... Bummer
But the chaotic tendril does state "cast a random spell" it should count as cast a spell to discount yogg. I would think that's why they made chaotic tendrils in this mini set.
I see Yogg played in rogue with multiple ways to bounce him back to hand. Theoretically you could play Yogg 2-3 times in 1 turn really quickly. Take all the opponents big stuff and kill the rest
Got the same idea, even at 5 or 3 cost using a shadowstep or some artifical discount like scabbs hero power in wild will make this seem very fun lol
There's going to be some kind of tendril miracle deck that can cast like a dozen 10 mana spells by turn 5.
I think the armor is compelling on the forbidden druid card. I think it needs to be recognized that even casting it at 10 for 20 armor when you just need some more HP isn't a situation that will never happen.
I'm really exited to build a yogg mage for The funsies.
I haven’t thought about the possibilities, but there might be some thing with that druid. Refresh your mana crystals minion with Thaddeus on even.
Chaotic tendrils can't be competitive but they'll be real fun to play. That is fine
Solar eclipse + contaminated lasher + forbidden fruit for 20 attack
Yogg seems interesting in attack quest druid, where it's mostly spells. At least for a slower meta where you want a last push
Titans feel like mercenaries
Those 1 mana 1/1s will be such a consistant chaos, because so far there is 5? 10 mana spells, 3 9 mana spells and it can go either very poorly for you or very good
I hope they bring all old gods back as a titan cuz i really wanna see Cthun and NZoth as titans
I believe the Yogg titan can fit in Wild Questline Druid. A bit more expensive than arcane giant, so I'm not entirely sure, but worth trying.
Tendrill looks a cool thing to use in my Tess rogue and lose 10 games on a roll
Coming back for a chaotic tendril deck and that’s it, havent been playing at all recently
Excited for the Mark combo Twig+Guff+Forbidden Fruit+innervate+sphere+Forbidden Fruit
Mark mcz will definitely be capitalizing on forbidden fruit
That yogg looks cool as hell. Love him
Forbidden Fruit + 20 mana from guff + ignis windfury weapon lol that's gonna feel so good to play against
Too slow in Wild
maybe the prisonbreaker should have a battlecry like: "for each 2 spells you've cast this game, deal 1 damage to all enemies." or "deal 0 damage to all enemies (improved for every 2 spells you've cast this game)"
the first one seems to me like it would do the damage repeatedly one for one, but the second one has a 0 in it which looks kind of odd... maybe go with 1 damage at a base?
I think the tendrils should be discover, but the choices only last on screen for 1.5 seconds. makes you really engage to get a good choice and lends to the chaos whenever you miss a more optimal choice.
Contaminated Lasher being 4 mana regain on a battlecry sounds fun if you get to double up or repeat your battlecries.
Would be very fun with things like Bran (2 mana refresh 8 - net 6 gain), or Brilliant Macaw / Shudderwock style effects (both of these being shaman exclusives from the past).
Brann wouldn't be much of a net gain the turn you play him since 3 + 2 = 5 mana, thus you're netting a 3 mana refresh. Brann would need to survive for a turn in order to net 6 mana which almost never happens since Brann is a must kill target. That being said it does open up slightly more mana in the Brann turn making Brann essentially "free", you're only paying mana for the Lasher.
I think the way to improve tendrils would be a card that says "give your tendrils another tentacle (casts twice)"
Honestly, the way to do it would be add a 1 cost chaos spell to your hand
Chaos spells are temporary copies that target randomly and cost 0
So they have the spell synergy that yogg wants and the choice to not play the spell if it's not good
you're all forgetting the tendrils say "Cast a spell" which will reduce titans yoggs cost and can also be used for the og yogg
The card seems pretty alright and would slot into alot of control decks easily as its versatile . Card seems good even if you get it down to something like 6 mana and is extremely versatile especially compared to something like Sylvanus .
Sylvanas is an old classic card though. Extremely powerful back in the days since the game was much more minion focused, now she's just too slow and has been powercrept. No one really plays Sylvanas anymore too
@@kripperinoobviousino6019 I think he's talking about Sylvanas in her Standard version?
I didn't know that the tendrils wouldn't count toward the spell count on Yogg, they are just far more useless now. Looks fun to just test it all in a random duels or standard.
Mind Control was alright back in the day, but these days to be playable it should also give you a 7/5 and cost zero mana.
A 7/5 that can be used for other things besides mind control
Don't know how good Yogg will be as a package *by itself*, but in conjunction with other spell-based packages, I don't see why it couldn't be good. Rogue has some decent synergy with bounce around and shadowstep. Yes, normally bounce around wouldn't be very good, but since all the tentacles are 1 mana anyways, you don't actually have to play them on the same turn and it just becomes a 3 mana board bounce. You can play Yogg, fill your hand with tendrils, play them all, then bounce back everything making Yogg cheaper for next turn. Also, the big positive of old Yogg was that you eventually got some sort of board clear, and while that might not be as likely now, you have plenty of tools to fiddle around with and an insane amount of value with tendrils. And a deck like miracle rogue already plays 600 spells by turn 5, so that's not even a hindrance for the most part.
Sif mage is another one, though for a slightly different reason. You might still play Yogg, but in Sif mage getting access to random spells means getting a chance to cast spell schools mage doesn't have access to. The tendrils are really what you're after, Yogg is just a good followup and can give you even more lethality or survivability out of nowhere. The deck also doesn't care about making weird plays, it already cheats a ton of mana and clears the board efficiently. It might not be amazing right now, but it's also not unplayable, maybe with the tendrils it'll actually gain some consistency just in the sheer number of random chances you're getting at holy/fel/nature spells.
It seems like the package is better in archetypes that want kind of specific things they don't normally have access to. There are also a lot of random spells that generate things, so perhaps you get generated cards often enough that it gives you consistency on the backend. I'm not totally sold on this package being unusable, I think people just aren't thinking outside the box enough. There'll be some tier 2-3 deck that uses this madness, I'm almost certain of it.
My High Stakes Casino Mage has been needing some more Yogg in it. I might just try and grab this miniset.
I wish Yogg had "Cast a random spell for each tendril you played this game" instead of the tendril ability. Would make running tendril cards worth it even more and keep the spirit of his previous incarnations.
my spell dh is gonna rock with this card
Glad this one doesn't need to be built around the tendrils. Makes it easy to turn my double Yogg deck into a triple Yogg deck.
Forbidden fruit looks insane ! Given certain conditions I see it being a 20 attack st least on turn 10 without Guff !!!
Yogg looks interesting. The tentacle option looks cliche'.
Too bad the wheel was not included or an effect for using an ability like casting 3 random spells after each one or adding two random minions to your hand or spells.
The tendrils should be crazy once you get to 9 mana spells there's only sun well and the scourge that I can think of. At 10 it's from da other side, pyroblast and the DK spell that I can remember
9 mana has Front Lines which could straight up lose you the game
THE LITTLE REGINA IN THE FINAL ART OMFG
Does the tendril cast randomly? They don’t say “targets chosen randomly” so does that mean we get to choose the target?
Yes they cast randomly, it works the same way as Servant of Yogg Saron
forbidden fruit can be scary since ignis is in the meta. windfury weapons can pop off more on druid now
excellent catch
@@fishraposo7192 nah I regis talked about it too haha
Just wait I bet the tendrils are going to be insane, after scalding just a bit, the potential value is going to be crazy
i think you might underestimate the tendrils. sure they can backfire but as a rogue you might cast a random 3 or 4 cost spell as soon as turn 2 maybe even turn 1 with chogall shenanigans
Yeah, seems like the tendrils might be the best in Rogue, mainly on the strength of that deal 3 card. On the other hand though, Yogg seems like a card for a control or a spell-heavy midrange deck, which Rogue might have problems creating, so even the main payoff deck for his tendril option wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it. Pretty sad, at least the tendrils seem like a fun addition to the Casino Mages of the world or whatnot.
Cho'gall only has a 25% chance to trigger tho and you might not even get the anomaly you want. Way too RNG heavy for any competitive decks but sure for memes it works
Interesting that with the windfury 1 mana weapon druids can do 18 damage from hand with 2 cards now
Highly excited to see people trying to achieve turn 1/2 yoggs with rogue or druid lol
Yogg looks like good stats for the cost
when you get to tentacle 10, every tentacle from there on has a 1/5 chance to cast 8 random druid spells lol
or it might just pyroblast your face, who knows
It's not about playing spells, it's about casting them. The tendrils do cast them
Correct, the tendrils cast them. YOU do not cast them. Yogg specifies spells that YOU cast.
This interaction has been seen in game many times, it does not work. Just like Rommath doesn't cast spells from Nagalings.
Nailed it. All the tentacle giving cards seem like real cards printed in the original whispers of the old gods. Weird cost and stats with no board impact.
Compare that to something like cards most classes have. Flunky gets a taunt. Is a taunt. Good stats. Cheap. That 5 mana Tentacle giver is just sad to look at. Like packing a Worgen Greaser back then.
would tendrils be broken if you discovered the spell to cast (still with random targets)?
Yes, once you get to 7, 8, 9 and 10 mana spells it's completely busted since it's a limited pool of powerful spells.
there are only 5 10 mana spells on standart, all of them are pretty bad for the tendrils except the druid one that casts more random spells
i feel like they should have added a series of uncraftable 11 cost spells with strong effects
D we know ho😊w the testicles improve themselves? Like if it starts playing 10 mana, does it start casting 2 or more cards?
It doesn't say that so why would you imagine that it would do it? Hearthstone always explains what a card is supposed to do so to not confuse players
@@kripperinoobviousino6019 we have seen in the past other cards that do that, but i also misread the card. we have seen cards where their "improvement" was not just 1 aspect of the card but multiple. i can't remember the card off hand, but wanted to make sure that the tenticles do not get multi variable improvement.
Not sure why no ones talking about the condition on yogg and prison breaker (and lasher). The tenticles cast the spells which progresses the condition "if you CAST # spells...". So basically you're advancing these payoff cards while spending mana to cast random spells. Yes, it will be inconsistent, but a deck running tenticals will most likely be playing from behind, and random spells are mostly better when playing from behind. I have hope at least one tentical deck might make tier 2
Have you never played Hearthstone before? YOU need to cast the spells in order to discount Yogg, not the tendrils. This mechanic is seen in countless other cards like Crash of Thunder, Shadow of Demise, The Garden's Grace and Wisdom of Norgannon
@kripperinoobviousino6019 yeah you're totally right. Idk why that feels counterintuitive to me even though we've seen it before. Must be rusty with game mechanics, haven't played in a while
Titan Yogg seems incredibly slow, and doesn’t have quite the drop down impact I would have hoped for.
"Tentacle Swarm If you're ahead and looking for a proactive play"
If you're ahead and want to throw the game with RNG.
Forbidden Fruit with both effects combined? Get a load of attack and armor for some spare mana.
Yogg Unleashed -> Tendrils + The Caverns Below = easy multiple spell rogue.
does tendrils reduce the cost of yogg? it says cast a random spell, so i would think that can work towards yogg‘s mana reduction, anyone knows？
Tendrils aren't spells, if you've played Hearthstone before you'd know that cards casting spells randomly doesn't count for spell discounts. You're not casting the spell, the tendril is casting it
rogue just got another crazy deck
Could Prison Breaker be improved with: "Deal 1 damage to all enemies (improved by number of spells you've cast this game)."?
I find it a bit baffling that the new Yogg (or any other Yogg for that matter) has absolutely no synergy with the tendrils. The tendrils don't count as spells, and most of the cards that generate them are minions too. I know that they won't do this, but I think they should code the Tendrils to count towards the spell casts for Yogg.
A little surprised that you're so down on Prison Breaker. It's a neutral 3 damage AOE on a 4/4 body, 3 damage goes face. I dunno, can't imagine it's never looked at.
Mage is going to be a bigger pain in the ass with this mini set. Now they get Yogg for free (Easy to get him to 0 mana) and she'll steal your Titan.
To to mention her spell that summons a boardwide of 4/5 elementals basically has rush now with Yogg.
Mage is not playing that, the only viable mage deck is a weird Naga spell school deck. No one is playing the 7 mana spell
Would Prison Breaker be too broken if spells after 5 added +1 more damage to the effect? You could maybe push back the mana cost for balancing purposes. Otherwise an easy 1 star for me
It's not a 1 star card lol, it's not totally unplayable garbage, a spell heavy deck could use it and it's not totally irrelevant
Can tbwait to play a 100 yoggs in rougue
I hope Yogg will See play
chaotic tendrills is random like the prison of yogg-saron still rng
Quad Yog chaos mage here we come
What I'm seeing is, battlecry Yogg cards will work with shaman'
I wish the chaotic tendrils were 0 mana.
I wish they had Echo.
Dripfeeding yog spells for 1 mana would be sick lol
I think the tendril woud discount yogg and count for prison breaker cause they whrote cast and not played so i think they work this way and might be bether than you think. And that's why we see tendrils in those 5 spell conditions card art ( I supose ....)
No they don't discount Yogg, if you've played Hearthstone before you would know, YOU need to cast the spells. In this instance the tendrils are casting them. This works the same way as cards like Convoke the Spirits or Deck of Wonders, they didn't discount anything either. Such an effect would be too strong
I think yogg will be good in big priest :)
I think a swarm of 10 tickles is more than enough to defeat your opponent.
This feeling when Hearthstone changed to make insane statistic in just few turns and then they try to release something like chaotic tendrils I mean this card might be usefull/fun in old hearthstone but nowadays damn it's just too slow
If the tentacle swarms read "discover and cast a 1 cost spell. Improve your future..." would it be good? It is way better yet doesn't feel OP.
I want to play Yogg with an empty hand and get TENtacles hehe
Why not make forbidden fruit dual class with warrior? We're at a point where druid is a better armor class than warrior
would be too op with Odyn. It would be a single card that gives 20 armor and deals 20 damage for 10
I get that Titan is a keyword but it bugs me that yogg isn't even a titan
Who at Blizzard is having a tentacle obsession lately? I don't judge, I just wanna talk to them.
Game name
I could see rouge and druid playing yogg on turn 2 - 3
Miracle rogue with board clears? Oh no...
In standard? How would Rogue or Druid play Yogg on turn 2? Tell me the cards required because I can't wrap my head around it. Even in Wild it seems difficult unless you have the nuts opening
@@iuricunhamurakami8261 was talking about wild dont play standard. Druid had enough mana refreshs that tony druid exists. And off the top of my head loan shark could be used in some kinda deathrattle set up. For turn 3 - 4
@@JackSmith-rr1od I am talking about wild miracle rouge as well
Coin, fake coin, prep, secret passage, gear shift, you could very easily drop yogg on turn 4 for 0 mana
Praise Yogg
PRAISE YOGG!
As a Warlock main, this mini expansion is a huge disappointment
Hey Regis. First of all: I agree with you, that Tendrils are not very good. But I have to imagine, that Yogg Saron still is a 5Star card. Imagine Control Warlock or Relic Demon Hunter. Both of them constantly clear the board with spells, both of them go the very long game. And at some point, you will be able to play a let´s say 5 Mana Yogg and steal their biggest stuff or wiping their board, while also adding still more threatening effects. And on top of that you have quite some mana left to work with. A Demon Hunter could easily bring 2 8/8s on the board as well with relics, a warlock could play lokan for instance (okay, 4 mana yogg...)
So not only do you have a cheap way to deal with something or even steal it, but you also can create an extreme amount of board pressure. Most Titans die before they can use their third ability anyway, so let the tendrils be the last one and have an insane control option. And if your ahead somehow, the tendrils might just be good enough, even without more synergies. Let´s say you get 5 of them and you play them out. I feel you are pretty likely to draw some cards, get a random secret and kill one of your and your opoonents minions. Not awesome, but okay.
Needles to say: Yogg can easily even be 0 Mana, since you´re playing so much spells, that discover spells. So you get a 0 Mana board clear maybe, or a steal and still can build an insane amount of stuff. I don´t think I would cut him in any spellbased deck.
Regis doesn't believe in the Yogg. Chaotic tendrils are life! lol. Joking aside, I think it'll be entertaining at the least, but not a top tier deck.
Tentacles with Shudderwock anybody?
Sure, you'd just be dead before pulling off that combo
"Just a Pyroblast"..sad
I can practically guarantee forbidden fruit is getting banned in wild so long as guff is still relevant. 20 mana = 20 attack; together with a forged windfury weapon or a "combine both" effect is an unfun swing turn to go up against.
That won't be banned at all, do you realize how slow that is? Decks go way faster than the time it would take to pull off such a slow combo. The matches are most often decided before turn 5-6 with crazy aggro rushing you down or some broken combo bursting you down from nowhere
Tendrils are gonna be trash
Hate to be so negative, but this miniset feels awful. Yog needed to be exciting but he just feels like a core set priest 8 drop.
This isnt doing what a miniset needs to do - concince me to come back after I'm bored of the expansion.