Why Nightwing VS Red Hood Isn't Even Close!

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  • Nightwing vs Red Hood! Its one of the best fights within the Bat Family, but today, well I’m gonna show you why this fight really isn’t even close
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  • @chalkdemon8019
    @chalkdemon8019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1681

    The Court of Owls were going to recruit Dick Grayson to become a Talon but Bruce got to him first on the night his parents were killed. That’s another interesting add on to Nightwing’s resume.

    • @redhoodie4111
      @redhoodie4111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

      Bruce didn't "get to him first" it was entirely by coincidence. Haley's Circus was going to groom Dick to become a Talon because the entire Grayson family lineage is made up of Talons. Bruce adopting Dick was purely happenstance.

    • @protalghulnist4126
      @protalghulnist4126 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      Yeah that doesn't really say anything about his skills cause they were going to train him

    • @KD6-3005
      @KD6-3005 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@redhoodie4111 to be more specific they were going to groom him into being an immortal assassin.

    • @chalkdemon8019
      @chalkdemon8019 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@protalghulnist4126 I think a group of assassins know potential when they see it.

    • @NotCharAznable
      @NotCharAznable 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Imagine being this confident while being wrong. lol

  • @RelentlessAnimals
    @RelentlessAnimals 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +936

    That's why his death in Injustice was always a head scratcher for me.

    • @WassupItsDev
      @WassupItsDev 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Yeah me too man, but I think it did end up having a decent twist towards the end of the injustice comics

    • @natesalden168
      @natesalden168 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      I think one of the authors / directors of the comics / game said something along the lines of he needed to die or else the events that followed just straight up wouldn’t happen because of his presence and communication skills, or something along those lines

    • @WassupItsDev
      @WassupItsDev 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      @@natesalden168 yeah I think it makes for a great storyline, I think Damian knowing what Nightwing was really capable of adds to the shock of him actually causing Nightwing to die.

    • @Aboriginal_American_Hebrew
      @Aboriginal_American_Hebrew 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Writers Hoed Night Wing for nothing it’s nihilistic comedy

    • @jodhvirsingh3910
      @jodhvirsingh3910 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I'm sure it scratched his head pretty well too

  • @Juliodadon210
    @Juliodadon210 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +466

    Punching your way out of a sub underwater isn't like super human it is super human...

    • @spikem5950
      @spikem5950 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      I keep saying it, DC's "human" heroes are indeed still superheroes. DC has that anime "if you train hard enough you can become superhuman" thing, it's just to a lesser extent of the actual metahumans.

    • @cartoonz7132
      @cartoonz7132 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@spikem5950adding on to that, pitting DC “humans” to other media superhuman is sometimes just unfair like Nightwing vs My Hero 😂

    • @spikem5950
      @spikem5950 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cartoonz7132 Night Wing would fucking wreck anyone but All Might and the main villain dude from My Hero. Just two completely different power levels the two settings operate in.

    • @skitzo899
      @skitzo899 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@spikem5950i don’t even like mha and ik this is cap

    • @pisaschitt787
      @pisaschitt787 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@spikem5950yeah this is straight up bs. There are broken quirks in mha that will stop Nightwing instantly. Even season 1 nomu would be an overkill for him lol

  • @comicfan1324
    @comicfan1324 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +308

    You have to remember that Wonder Woman once divided Nightwing to join the justice league. Not because he was there equal, but because she believed he had a potential to surpass them.

    • @shmeebs387
      @shmeebs387 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      He's also led the Justice League on multiple different occasions. He was the leader of the backup League during Obsidian Age over veterans like Green Arrow and Hawkgirl.

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1758

    Nightwing is the closest of being Batman's successor.

    • @paulpierre4895
      @paulpierre4895 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      Jason todd is only known for being beat up by joker lol 😂😮😊

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

      Not even close,you are just biased cause he is "nicer" as a person.
      Nightwing isnt Bruces successor,he is his own man.
      He is the original of his kind and someone else will be Nightwings successor.
      He isnt like Bruce in any way.
      All fans are biased towards Nightwing but in pretty much all possible futures we have seen he is irrelevant,he either dies early or retires early and chills with a family he creates.
      Even Future Tim said that.
      DC has showed fans time and time again that Damian is Bruces successor,they literally said in Dark Crisis that he becomes Batman in pretty much all possibilities in the future.
      And indeed in most future elseworlds stories he is Bruces successor.
      All this talk about Nightwing is NPC talk,he is just nice and likable but that doesn't mean much.
      The only time Nightwing was Bruces successor was in Golden Age Earth 2 cause Damian and Terry werent a thing.
      Just because he is one of Bruces sons,the second most beloved(yes Injustice isnt accurate big surprise),doesnt mean he is his successor.
      To say he is "Batmans successor" completely ruins Nightwings character arc, ironically it means you arent much of a fan of him.
      Bruces true successor?
      Who was the Batman who saved the universe in DCSEASED(Earth 55)? Potentially even multiverse if the virus invaded other dimensions
      Which Batman sacrificed his life at age 17 to save everyone?
      The real answer is Damian and Terry, two sides of Batman.
      One is the closest approximation to Bruces Batman and the other is a different kind of Batman.

    • @NotoriousB.I.G.
      @NotoriousB.I.G. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

      ​@@newhybrid101Bro wrote an entire novel 😂

    • @demetridixon-tw3vb
      @demetridixon-tw3vb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

      ⁠@@newhybrid101bro what???!!! Have u read the battle for the cowl? Or any comic. Bruce Wayne himself said if he was to die. Nightwing would take up the mantle.

    • @donovandacosta2276
      @donovandacosta2276 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@erikrousu😂😂

  • @pollomaniac
    @pollomaniac 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +929

    I've always seen it like this ....
    Dick Grayson = Leonardo
    Jason tood = Raphael
    Tim drake = Donatello
    Damian Wayne = Michaelangelo

    • @chalkdemon8019
      @chalkdemon8019 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

      That’s fair, Nightwing being the most skilled, and having the best leadership qualities. Red Hood being the strongest/brute force rage filled. Red Robin having the best detective skills, and Damien being the best naturally gifted being the actual son of Bruce Wayne.

    • @Everythinghighend_
      @Everythinghighend_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      Michaelangelo is the most skilled turtle and most potential

    • @MasterTemplar781
      @MasterTemplar781 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      Depends on which Damien. Because comic Damien ain't that funny. Actually i always saw Damien more as a Leonardo because they both use blades and both are serious. While Nightwing i saw as Michaelangelo as the jokester of the four.

    • @MyKeyOFCL
      @MyKeyOFCL 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@MasterTemplar781 I think your missing their point

    • @detroitmade6
      @detroitmade6 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@chalkdemon8019 problem is Jason isn't stronger than Grayson.

  • @BIONICTHUMB
    @BIONICTHUMB 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    Ok so looking at the composite versions of their characters not taking into account future stuff, the fight is very close. Jason is stated to have the highest potential and best natural instincts of the entire batfamily, as well as the most varied training. Dick on the other hand has more experience and is outright stated to be a better fighter than Batman being the only Robin to beat him in a fair no holding back match. Jason is physically stronger, the most resilient, and has the strongest will, but Dick closely follows in all of these, barely edges out in speed, and far surpasses him in agility. Dick is also smarter, however Jason has actually shown a better tactical approach to fighting with better planning and more frequent showings of adaptability. Ignoring future versions of these characters and outlier universes like Injustice Dick still comes out on top maybe 6 times out of 10, but the fight is anything but clear cut.

    • @DrDickParker
      @DrDickParker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Edges?

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      highest potential would be Damian.

    • @Nempo13
      @Nempo13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      No, Jason does not have the highest potential. Dick does. Dick was scouted to become a Talon in the Court of Owls. He was also asked to join the Justice League as an equal by Wonder Woman because she believed he had the potential to surpass ALL OF THEM. He was also trained by Superman to such a degree that in some stats he is actually just beyond peak human now.
      Jason does have a better instinct for when he is in danger than the other Robins. Jason was looked at by the Court and deemed not worthy because he lacks inherent talent. Yes, the Owls looked at every single one of the Robins and even both of the Batgirls. What, you didn't know there was a Batgirl that wasn't Barbara?
      Strength wise? They are actually almost even, shockingly enough. Jason is built more like a lifter, Dick is built more like a swordsman. A swordsman's muscles are tighter than a lifters. This makes them more compact while being just as strong.
      Jason absolutely has more resilience. However their will is even. Dick went through a LOT of crap. Jason went through the pit but how one ends up is always completely up to the writers. If we actually went with the proper original lore of the pit, anyone revived using it is stripped of their morality completely and will NEVER regain it. That is it, the only negative to using it. No one would go mad, or shift their personality to something opposite like we see in various places. Anything that isn't the simple removal of morality is the writer getting it wrong. Thus, ignore the pit entirely.

    • @shmeebs387
      @shmeebs387 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Jason doesn't have the most varied training. Everyone forgets Dick was with the Titans for years 24/7. Dick knows Amazonian, Atlantean, Tamaranean martial arts as well. He also went with Batman during the 52 year after Infinite Crisis when Batman redid all his old training. Dick has all of Batman's training and much much more. He also has circus training since he was a baby. Plus, training only goes so far. Dick is THE best athlete on the planet, too. He's a physical freak, a prodigy. Pick a sport, and he'd probably be the best in the world at it. He is able to utilize that training better.

    • @OnyxDStone
      @OnyxDStone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@huntertezz Potential doesn't mean anything if is isn't utilized... I mean.. look at Dragon ball's use of Gohan.... Unlimited Potential... and they just never utilized him properly to take the place that even the Creator wanted him to take. Cell Saga was ment to be Gohan's step forward but studio wanted Goku.. even when they could of did it in GT.. what did we get... Goku being turned into a kid to Dragon Ball again with Z and GT upgrades and now it's not even Canon.
      Damian has Potential.. but if they don't dev and work his character right... he'll become a Gohan or worse... they can over correct and make him a Mary Stu... and no one wants that

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +347

    The strongest Non-Benders in Avatar.

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Sokka in the Yakone flashback has to be OP,obviously would destroy his ATLA self

    • @DarkKnight2037
      @DarkKnight2037 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@newhybrid101but sokka is a bender, so he doesnt count. He bends his boomerang in the air

    • @DarkKnight2037
      @DarkKnight2037 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Imo. Ty Lee in a sense is def one of them, since she was able to chi block almost all the benders upto someone as skilled and powerful as Paula, albeit catching her off guard. Bit did succeed against people like katara.
      The equaliser with the twin electric batons, he was successful on taking on a few high level benders.
      Rock Lee is alright too I guess

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +416

    I'll tell you one thing. Both Nightwing and Red Hood had school'd Damian. Lol

    • @MasculineSpace
      @MasculineSpace 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Batman beyond vs night wing

    • @bloodangel19
      @bloodangel19 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      ​@@MasculineSpacetbh Terry is kinda....weak.

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      So? Its a 10 year old kid against better trained adults.
      Put adult Damian he destroys both of them.

    • @InvisibleMan849
      @InvisibleMan849 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Respectfully would have to disagree but wouldnt red hood and nightwing still have more experience by the time damian grows up (injustice nightwing was bs that dont count)​@huntertezz

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@InvisibleMan849 experience isn't everything. Damian has alot if talent and is only held back by his young age.
      (No one counts injustice Damian he sucks) We have seen more adult Damian like the one in Beyond who was stated to be better than prime Bruce and was destroying Terry.
      Also most versions of Damian gain magic when they are adults.

  • @Mike-fc9bx
    @Mike-fc9bx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

    They're both the better versions of what batman is meant to be just one is the closet to being his successor

    • @MasterTemplar781
      @MasterTemplar781 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      Nope just Nightwing. Bruce even says that. Meanwhile Batman was never meant to be a killer which Jason is. However i would say that Jason is close to Bruce in terms of a fight. But Red hood is never what Batman was meant to be.

    • @Mike-fc9bx
      @Mike-fc9bx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@MasterTemplar781 yes Batman is not meant to be a killer however even Bruce would and should admit some people deserve to die. Dick is the clear version of Batman is meant to be , Jason is willing to do what Bruce won’t when the world needs it.

    • @yoda5436
      @yoda5436 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Mike-fc9bxno batman is meant to be like bruce, 100% dedicated and torturing himself to make sure hes 100% dedicated, all things dick just wouldn't do, batman doesn't want dick to be batman because he is better than that mantle, he's beyond it, dick is nightwing, jason is redhood batman's successor is terry mcguiness

    • @DeathCollateral
      @DeathCollateral 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mike-fc9bx No, not by being murdered. Batman’s ideology is to try and save everyone, even the ones that don’t deserve it.

    • @sebastianchiquetebustamant4032
      @sebastianchiquetebustamant4032 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nop, just Nightwing, Dick Grayson is batman's biggest achievement while Jason is his wor'st fail

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

    Batman watching his kids fighting again.

  • @supra2349
    @supra2349 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +186

    I'm not that big of a red hood fan, but I don't think this is a "Isn't even close" fight, since red hood confirmed that he's always holding back when fighting batman, Red hood might also seem always angry, but almost in every comic he is in, he's always the most calm, it's just his tone of voice, Not to mention he was also the only one to take out a large talon alone, while Tim and damian needed to help each other, He is also always holding back against everyone in the bat family, when he fought Cassandra, Tim, and nightwing and winning the fight, yes he got pinned but it was cuz he's holding back, he could've killed dick with the train but he decided to save him instead, and he knocked out Cassandra several times with only landing a few hits on him, and Tim DIDN'T even stand a chance, Jason/ Red hood, also already dog walked damian while he was drunk and damian was in rage, also that "dick knocked out Cassy with one punch' was just one comic, cuz in a different one dick didn't even stand a chance, while Jason has beaten her multiple times, he easily beats Shiva trained Man-bats SHIVE TRAINED, the woman who batman considers as the best fighter in the whole world, he is also MUCH faster and has the same level iq as Tim, he humiliated Tim a bunch of times, and he also was able to break in to Tim's hq, which Tim stated to be impossible to break into, he also humiliated Tim in fight while he was BLIND, he also fought a large group of talons and KO'd almost all of them, not to mention they had guns, was able to take out Cassandra while following him stealthily (I just started reading red hood comics last week so I wanted to brag abt his feats LMAO, and also this is just the tip of the Jason Todd FEATS)

    • @guevarraharyemmanuel7980
      @guevarraharyemmanuel7980 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      I also just started reading red hood comics, I wanted to comment the same thing but looks like you already beat me to it lol

    • @user-lp8im7ow8s
      @user-lp8im7ow8s 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      The entire family was holding back more than Red Hood which he pointed out and Grayson even said he was lying about holding back too, so did Cassandra Cain.
      He only beat Shiva cause Shiva taught him a technique to take people like her down and it didn't work on Bronze Tiger. Jason has never defeated Cassandra in a fair fight EVER 💀 bruh stop meat riding him , he probably scales at Tim Drakes level currently or slightly above since he's willing to hurt him more.

    • @BlackjackHG21
      @BlackjackHG21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

      ​@@user-lp8im7ow8sYou haven't read any Red Hood comics have you? Jason is easily on the same level as Dick, they're is a reason they were the originals,
      He is one the only people to beat and outsmart Batman in their first fight.
      He outsmarted and broke the grip of Supergirl with the venom drug
      He beat Deathstroke and an upgraded Ras Al Ghul, two people said to be on the same level as the Batman himself.
      Knocked Lobo out with a crowbar.
      Tanked a missile shot at submarine underwater which he punched a whole through.
      Cut off a massive dinosaur's head with the All Blades,
      Kicked the door off a plane going over 500 mph,
      Lighting quick reaction speed and agility dodging a bullet point blank,
      Fought and dodged attacks from Artemis,
      As Robin dodged gunfire from highly experienced mobsters,
      Beat freeze and Nightwing to a stale mate.
      Stabbed Onyx before she could even notice,
      Broke into Titans tower beat every member without being noticed only by Tim Drake which he beat easily,
      Tanked hits from Bizarro, Ravager, Artemis, and Frankenstein,
      Sensed ships that were cloaked,
      Blitzed and beat a team of trained SWAT officers with practically nothing,
      Survived a ritual that no human has survived in a thousand years,
      Shot through Deathstrokes armor, which was said to be bulletproof, and straight through his arm,
      Beat the All Caste with help from Artemis and Arsenal,
      Cut a couple arrows in half with knife as they were shot at him from Speedy, trained by Oliver Queen
      Hit Green Arrow as he was watching him, before he could react, a guy that has split second reaction speed,
      Blitzed and beat a group of shooters before they could get a shot off.
      Is that enough? There is no way in hell that Jason, especially venomed Jason is on the level of Time Drake, who he has beaten senseless multiple times and actually killed in Battle for the Cowl. He is at least on Nightwing's level if you take his fears at face value, maybe even more, he has beaten him and Batman to a stalemate multiple different times, all with different tactics.

    • @williammoore-zc1df
      @williammoore-zc1df 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      And he survived a nuke blast that’s super human level

    • @_ymc_
      @_ymc_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      ​@@BlackjackHG21
      You should put this as a comment not only an answer
      People love nightwing blindy, not only for being the first robin, but because hes a mix, between Superman and Batman, because he is the representation of hope and is super hearted , and a member of The bat family with dark origin
      Even if tomorrow redhood wipes the floor with him with good writting and explanation, nobody will change its mind, thats the truth, its just a more loved character and famous one

  • @alliasstar7289
    @alliasstar7289 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Nightwing is equal to Batman. Even Batman acknowledges this. And in some iterations he's actually superior to Batman

    • @MILOPETIT
      @MILOPETIT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I saw someone say that Nightwing is the true Batman successor, but I think Batman himself would agree that would be a downgrade for Dick

  • @tyreseupshaw07
    @tyreseupshaw07 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +940

    The fact you even said, "He even beaten Red Hood," says it all, even if it was obvious

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

      Jason has also beaten him/or had the edge a few times

    • @MasterTemplar781
      @MasterTemplar781 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

      @@newhybrid101 True but tbh both held back on eachother in most fights. So using previous victories like Dick beating Jason or Jason defeating Nightwing can't be used as actual evidence for who would win. As alot of people take offense to that and end up saying "he held back tho" And sometimes comic writers f*ck up their own powerscaling and choose that the other guy wins when they feel like it.

    • @jxlennn
      @jxlennn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@newhybrid101only when nightwing was holding back without the intention of fighting him, or injured from before

    • @Azeral7
      @Azeral7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@newhybrid101 that was when nightwing was cut off guard and holding back alot. Red hood meat rider

    • @themightofgeburah5882
      @themightofgeburah5882 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@Azeral7caught off guard? LOL HE WAS BLITZED. The times Red Hood beat Nightwing was in cases where Nightwing was going to die. Bro was handling members of the Bat-Fam including Nightwing.

  • @OliversOil
    @OliversOil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Red Hood is better. I think many people forget that he is naturally peak human strength but got enhanced due to the pit. It actually increased his strength, speed, healing, etc because he had a perfect resurrection. So he is considered low super human in these levels. Nightwing may be more flexible but he isn’t faster. Only thing nightwing has is experience. Red Hood should win this fight majority of the time. If he controls his emotions he wins a fight against nightwing 9/10 times on even playing field. We actually see a version of Red Hood from a different world who mastered his emotions and is the deadliest in the bat family.

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What alternate reality Red Hood is that?

    • @OliversOil
      @OliversOil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@StunningSilken I don’t remember it’s been awhile. But I also remember somewhere that Batman said something along those lines too. Jason’s weakness is always his emotions

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OliversOil Thanks for the output.

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OliversOil I just checked it out, now. Good read.

  • @charlesk2793
    @charlesk2793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    Yes, Jason has been trained by Batman, as well as the people who trained Batman, as well as other masters and assassin's who are the best in their fields. Most notably, he has also been trained by Bronze Tiger as well as Lady Shiva, noted as being two of the greatest Martial Artists on earth and BOTH of them have stated that Red Hood was their greatest student. No one else boasts that claim. As far as Cassandra Cain is concerned, when Red Hood was able to get the better of her, this is significant because Cassie has always been known as the deadlier fighter between herself and Batman with Batman himself saying he couldn't take her in a fair fight. Oh, and lets not forget that Jason has been heavily trained by the All Caste.
    These things matter. And Jason does hold back a lot, especially when it comes to fighting his family. But the greatest moment, to me anyway, was during the Event Leviathan saga when Batman and the "Detectives" approached him in Ep. 3 of the series. This is a line-up that includes Green Arrow, Plastic Man, Manhunter, The Question, Batman, Damien Wayne's Robin and Lois Lane. The battle that happened there was epic. This meeting turned into a battle. A battle in which Jason wiped the floor with them. WIPED THE FLOOR with them. He even had time to talk to Lois after the fight she witnessed. Jason kicks their a$$es then casually walks away from Lois after she asks him a couple of questions. Just casually walks away like it was another Tuesday. He was disappointed that others may have believed he was Leviathan. The look on his face, the skill he displayed in that fight, conveyed that he was done playing around. He was calm and collected which made that fight even better. He wasn't holding back this time and it showed. After getting their a$$es handed to them, Damien states out loud to everyone present that "Jason Todd is one of the great master fighters of all time,” and Batman doesn't argue. This should've been included in this video, but it wasn't.

    • @user-sd4le2tk1j
      @user-sd4le2tk1j 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I'm a Jason Todd fan but I haven't been able to keep up with the comics but that's awesome to know about

    • @UncleSarge
      @UncleSarge 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Well of course it wasn't, that would go against the point of the video.
      Jason Todd is an absolute monster when it comes to fighting, and inconsistent writing is the only reason videos like this one are made. Jason would body Dick in a straight up fight, but because Dick is able to get under Jason's skin and he's more acrobatic/faster than Jason he would get the upper hand.

    • @heltongomez8865
      @heltongomez8865 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Because Dick is a better fighter anyways. He is faster, smarter and much more agile. There's no reason to include that.

    • @charlesk2793
      @charlesk2793 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@heltongomez8865, Nightwing is more agile. I will give you that. But he is not faster than Red Hood. Nightwing definitely isn't the better fighter. He's an incredible fighter to be sure, and I love his character, but Jason was literally trained to be the best. Their power scales don't really compare. Red Hood is absolutely able to tank incredible punishment and still move forward. He also heals rapidly, though that may be a byproduct of his exposure to the Lazarus Pit. And let's not forget that when Batman feels the need to subdue Red Hood, he sends the ENTIRETY of the Bat family, including Cassandra Cain to do so and they never even get what the want. He always achieves his objective in spite of the attack. If Grayson could handle him alone then he's all that would be needed. He's never been enough to get it done. He can't get it done alone and Batman knows this, hence sending the entire family after Red Hood.
      Again, I'm a huge fan of Nightwing. I view him as the ideal version of goodness, power and strength. But in the case of who the most powerful fighter is, it is absolutely Jason. He just is.

    • @SirNoVoid
      @SirNoVoid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You typed all of this glaze but bro couldn’t even handle the joker😂

  • @deadacc637
    @deadacc637 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +268

    To summarize: Nightwing will win because of “superior agility” and being able to get under Red Hood’s skin. Save your time & thank me later 👍🙂👍

    • @alpha4935
      @alpha4935 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      How about I thank you now, kind stranger?

    • @NormanOsbornMSF
      @NormanOsbornMSF 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Yeah dan didn’t really explain why nightwing wins at all. But we all know nightwing would win any fight with jason anyway

    • @dragowolf268
      @dragowolf268 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you this video does not need to be thus this long

    • @dragowolf268
      @dragowolf268 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@NormanOsbornMSFI think most people would think it would atleat be a close fight

    • @NormanOsbornMSF
      @NormanOsbornMSF 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@dragowolf268 it actually is a close fight tbh

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    The first 2 Robins.

  • @KingBishoop
    @KingBishoop 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +150

    The cool thing about these two facing each other, you could reasonably argue for either of them winning

    • @papabroke7567
      @papabroke7567 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Not really, Nightwing doesn’t have a single reason to lose to Red Hood

    • @alexanderlaird6206
      @alexanderlaird6206 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@papabroke7567 Except that he's lost to him before, which sounds like a pretty good one to me. As an aside DanCo seemed to miss this but Jason does in fact straight up have superpowers; his physicality was improved dramatically after he was revived by the Lazarus pit. In the New 52 continuity he was straight up able to rip his hand out of Supergirl's grasp, he is muuuch stronger than Dick. If you want to use the equipment he gets from the new 52 or Rebirth runs of Red Hood and the Outlaws then he also has access to an enormous arsenal of sci-fi alien weapons, extremely advanced and durable armour and a personal cloaking device. He has up and *defeated* deathsroke in a one on one fight which is not something I could ever see Dick doing alone seeing as how Slade gives all of the Teen Titans combined a hard time. Dick is one of those characters the writers are very inconsistent with power scaling-wise; some like to give him a massive hand job and say he's better than Batman, others sideline him and have him get mirked by low tier characters. I'm not even saying he'd necessarily lose, just that Red Hood would give him the fight of his life and that an author could absolutely have it go either way.

    • @manwithoutmercy
      @manwithoutmercy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      you can't

    • @jrob4795
      @jrob4795 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Nightwing is better than Red Hood. There is no argument.

    • @nextgenkilla7645
      @nextgenkilla7645 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@papabroke7567 depends, on a even fight yeah dick wins but he also isn't willing to fight dirty like Jason which if Jason does then he can beat Dick just not fairly

  • @manuelenriquez5281
    @manuelenriquez5281 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    5:20 wrong the author of the comic himself said that Batman did not hold back in the fight with dick grayson.

    • @JavonJennings-ql3sz
      @JavonJennings-ql3sz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Either way Batman is the worlds hand to hand combatant you really think he going to beat his sons ofc he going to hold back against them no matter what

  • @stephenchambers7972
    @stephenchambers7972 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I hate when you say that red hood beat deathstroke because clearly slade was weakened by snakebite's poison and deathstroke said if he was at full strength he could have beat batman in just three moves and I believe him cause deathstroke is such a hardcore and badass character.

    • @JavonJennings-ql3sz
      @JavonJennings-ql3sz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bru yea that one time any other time Batman schooled him just like everyone else man is the world greatest hand to hand combatant and he don’t even need super soldier serum unlike others with no powers he don’t need that to be the best 😂

    • @stephenchambers7972
      @stephenchambers7972 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JavonJennings-ql3sz first of all slade was a top tier hand to hand fighter before the serum so what are you talking about

    • @spikem5950
      @spikem5950 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JavonJennings-ql3sz There are multiple examples of the two fighting where Batman wins and multiple examples where Deathstroke wins. Stop cherry picking. Every character has their own strengths and weaknesses that can be exploited, and there's always an element of unpredictability in a fight.

    • @thunderlion6909
      @thunderlion6909 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spikem5950 Plot armour bro and you know ther no way batman beatting a super soldier reguardless of training or experience.

    • @spikem5950
      @spikem5950 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thunderlion6909 In a spontaneous fight, yes, Deathstroke wins nine times out of ten realistically. If Slade can plan and Bruce is caught by surprise, I see no way Bruce can win. If Bruce can plan but Slade can't, I'd put it at 8/10 on Batman's side. If they've both planned for it, it's probably a 6.5-7/10 on Slade's side.
      But there's still that chance. NO fight's outcome is guaranteed.

  • @Soldout360
    @Soldout360 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    the bat family vs the fast and furious family

    • @jeremybrown9611
      @jeremybrown9611 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hol on now😂😂

    • @yellowsunshine4157
      @yellowsunshine4157 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Plot armor vs Family power

    • @dayostical
      @dayostical 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Family always wins in the end

  • @mr.marbles4707
    @mr.marbles4707 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Hey man, I’m a big fan. Great work. Can you do a The Stalker ( Batman Beyond) vs Kraven The Hunter.

  • @spoiler_cc7348
    @spoiler_cc7348 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love both, but I’d also like to add that, after reading a lot of red hood, especially after he becomes a vigilante again, he’s usually calm in his fights, he always seems to be thinking how to take someone down. Even having time for sarcasm, but he’s also stated he always holds back. I still think it’s a tough fight for them both, but I think ppl need to give Jason more credit. I mean he did defeat an evil Nightwing with Vampire powers in dc vs vampires, the only reason he died was because Wonder Woman came up behind him.

  • @hanlee3345
    @hanlee3345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I think it also depends of the writers too

  • @fredrickambrose9816
    @fredrickambrose9816 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's simple nightwing is like captain america+spiderman+daredevil and red hood is like punisher+winter solider

  • @surajsingh1063
    @surajsingh1063 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Whole bat family pack comes with a free THICK PLOT ARMOUR

  • @l1mel1ght69
    @l1mel1ght69 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    5:16 the writer of that comic had stated that Bruce was not holding back.

  • @edisonlaw934
    @edisonlaw934 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I thought this fight was always close.

    • @malachisottile8919
      @malachisottile8919 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It really is honestly

    • @malachisottile8919
      @malachisottile8919 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It really is honestly

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It has never been close. People assume that because Jason injects himself with Venom, and he was able to get out of a restrained Supergirl's grip, that it has always been close. Supergirl wasn't even trying when that happened. Nightwing is what happens if Bruce never lost his parents.

    • @PrinceLobo-es8kl
      @PrinceLobo-es8kl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@StunningSilken keep crying jason is just stronger, punching a whole through a sinking submarine , coming out of death and surviving nuke is is wayy better strength , endurance feet than anythin clown wing ever did

    • @PrinceLobo-es8kl
      @PrinceLobo-es8kl 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@StunningSilken Yes, Jason has been trained by Batman, as well as the people who trained Batman, as well as other masters and assassin's who are the best in their fields. Most notably, he has also been trained by Bronze Tiger as well as Lady Shiva, noted as being two of the greatest Martial Artists on earth and BOTH of them have stated that Red Hood was their greatest student. No one else boasts that claim. As far as Cassandra Cain is concerned, when Red Hood was able to get the better of her, this is significant because Cassie has always been known as the deadlier fighter between herself and Batman with Batman himself saying he couldn't take her in a fair fight. Oh, and lets not forget that Jason has been heavily trained by the All Caste.
      These things matter. And Jason does hold back a lot, especially when it comes to fighting his family. But the greatest moment, to me anyway, was during the Event Leviathan saga when Batman and the "Detectives" approached him in Ep. 3 of the series. This is a line-up that includes Green Arrow, Plastic Man, Manhunter, The Question, Batman, Damien Wayne's Robin and Lois Lane. The battle that happened there was epic. This meeting turned into a battle. A battle in which Jason wiped the floor with them. WIPED THE FLOOR with them. He even had time to talk to Lois after the fight she witnessed. Jason kicks their a$$es then casually walks away from Lois after she asks him a couple of questions. Just casually walks away like it was another Tuesday. He was disappointed that others may have believed he was Leviathan. The look on his face, the skill he displayed in that fight, conveyed that he was done playing around. He was calm and collected which made that fight even better. He wasn't holding back this time and it showed. After getting their a$$es handed to them, Damien states out loud to everyone present that "Jason Todd is one of the great master fighters of all time,” and Batman doesn't argue. This should've been included in this video, but it wasn't.

  • @JorgeFélixGallegosLópez-v8v
    @JorgeFélixGallegosLópez-v8v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Bane (Dc Comics) vs Ranma Saotome
    Pegasus Seiya vs Aquaman
    Batman vs X-Men
    Freddy Krueger vs Scarecrow (Dc Comics)
    Shredder vs Taskmaster

  • @chrisveiders1014
    @chrisveiders1014 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Red hood has more training with both the all caste and the league of assassin's and he also trained under batman

    • @Bl0cksy
      @Bl0cksy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Nightwing became the court of owls most desdly assassin

    • @chrisveiders1014
      @chrisveiders1014 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Bl0cksy the all caste might be ancient but they are considered to be on the same level as Trigons children

  • @miguelbrito2299
    @miguelbrito2299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Sentry
    Thor
    Ghost Rider
    Silver Surfer
    Adam Warlock
    Blue Marvel
    Vs
    Captain Atom
    Martian Manhunter
    LOBO
    Superman
    Black Adam
    Wonder Woman

    • @FredLloyd-Ward-iu4rm
      @FredLloyd-Ward-iu4rm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The question aint who wins
      But how long untill they destroy the universe

    • @JuanLegendre-ey9ty
      @JuanLegendre-ey9ty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sentry
      Martian Manhunter probably
      GR
      Black Adam close victory
      Blue Marvel

    • @miguelbrito2299
      @miguelbrito2299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JuanLegendre-ey9ty its 2 teams haha

    • @volcanicmonstrosity
      @volcanicmonstrosity 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      DC team annihilates lmao.

    • @miguelbrito2299
      @miguelbrito2299 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@volcanicmonstrosity if you a dc fanboy you think like that, its a close fight wtf

  • @newhybrid101
    @newhybrid101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    Depends on the versions, everyone is different in each universe.
    If we are using Injustice then Jason utterly destroys him with zero difficulty.
    In that universe Bane easily beat Nightwing and then Bruce came and easily defeated Bane, but in the spin off comics to Injustice 2 show Jason EASILY destroy Bruce and Bruce himself said Jason was just better.
    Granted that was a version of Jason who was 32 years old(yes i checked it) and probably achieved his full potential
    Strongest version of Jason Todd ever
    A lot of the time Nightwing simply has a big headstart in his progress and experience.
    Another universe where Jason scales above Nightwing is the Arkham games.
    In the prelude comics Jason is flat out unimpressed by Nightwing and Tim Drake who can barely fight Deathstroke,whom later Jason easily deflects a surprise attack from.
    Yes Bruce said Nightwing was the best fighter he trained but he didnt even know Jason had survived at that point and would only be comparing Nightwing to Robin Jason and Tim Drake.
    When Jason and Bruce first have a physical exchange they are basically even with each other,despite Bruce having a suit that is stated to make him stronger,although Bruce did seem a bit stronger when they were choking each other.
    The bio files say Nightwing is a NEAR rival to Bruce.
    Arkham Jason was also trained by Deathstroke(a privilege most versions of Jason dont have)and is a full rival to Bruce.
    He even temporarily put him down with a sucker punch before shooting him
    Deathstroke also said Jason only lost to Bruce due to his emotional state and breaking down,gameplay shows this by Jason losing his health bar even though he isnt actually really physically damaged.
    Overall though,yes,Nightwing will beat Red Hood a good majority of of the time in most versions.
    Nightwing already had an acrobatic background,has much more experience,more training and his age is actually better than Jasons as males reach their peak in their late 20s,while Jason is normally in his early 20s,which means Nightwing is more developed

    • @selfimprovement5873
      @selfimprovement5873 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You gotta use all the versions dog

    • @HarambeMan
      @HarambeMan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      If your using other versions, then superwing kills redhood in one punch

    • @Mr_acorn_exe
      @Mr_acorn_exe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​​@@HarambeMan Jason isn't stupid. He can totally figure out that he need kryptonite bullets.

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Dude, you're mostly right but even in canon, as in main universe, Jason has beaten both Dick and Bruce multiple times. Jason is a trained killer, he's a goddamn assassin, I never understand how people think the guy who kills on a regular basis, doesn't hold back and uses actual effective weaponry would lose to the guy with two sticks and no killer instinct.
      I get that most comic readers are nerds, not fighters or soldiers or even anyone who's ever been in a real fight but c'mon use your brains, the trained killer is not losing to guy who only knows how to fight.
      Comicbook nonsense makes these fighters seem like they can take on a squad of armed men armed to the teeth and win, if comics weren't written by morons, both Batman and Nightwing would be dead by now, especially with how they operate: which is refusing to use actual weapons, instead charging into battle with toys and blackbelt bullshit, like pretending to be Bruce Lee makes you bulletproof.

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HarambeMan I think you mean ChickenWING is gonna get barbecued with Bullets by KING HOOD 😂

  • @wtfesyo2831
    @wtfesyo2831 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nightwing plot armor is insane

    • @mouse3872
      @mouse3872 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      People who say this are insane of course Nightwing has plot armor... EVERY comic book superhero has plot armor unless the writers are trying to tell a specific story..

    • @NUCLEARDASH
      @NUCLEARDASH 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mouse3872 thank you, ive been saying that for more than a decade now. People just repeat and repeat this shi without thinking about what theyre saying

    • @callmejacob3234
      @callmejacob3234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Red Hood's plot armor is also insane. Every Robin has ridiculous plot armor when they fight Batman.

    • @mouse3872
      @mouse3872 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@callmejacob3234 Not really up until the 2010s that Nightwing began regularly beating Batman in fights. Red Hood has beaten Batman in fights in recent years but usually there are caveats when Red Hood wins. Damian and Tim still regularly lose against Bruce 1v1 again the only time they win the writers stat some kind of Caveat like Bruce was wounded, mind controlled, or holding back. The ONLY exception to this is Nightwing which in the modern era of comics has been regularly stated by both Batman in the comics and the writers themselves to have surpassed Bruce in fighting ability. And when the two fight and Nightwing typically wins and the authors of these stories have stated that there was no holding back or caveats to these fights with the implication being that when Bruce and Nightwing go 1v1 in the comics in an equal fight Nightwing wins 7 out of 10 times

  • @JorgeFélixGallegosLópez-v8v
    @JorgeFélixGallegosLópez-v8v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Light Yagami vs Riddler
    Batman vs Charlotte Katakuri
    Naruto Uzumaki vs Captain America
    Joker (DC Comics) vs Daredevil
    Kingpin (Marvel) vs Red Hood

    • @jeremiahgulliver836
      @jeremiahgulliver836 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Batman vs katakuri is a mismatch.
      Naruto vs cap America is a mismatch also

    • @ASS-tb3mq
      @ASS-tb3mq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Batman vs Katakuri is insane 💀 I love Batman he’s the absolute goat but katakuri wouldn’t even need haki not his devil fruit powers to beat him Base Batman is losing

    • @andrewvalentine6977
      @andrewvalentine6977 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Think it depends on Naruto's age when fighting Captain America as I think 12 years old Naruto would lose where as Hagaki (unsure of spelling) Naruto would wreck Captain America.

  • @JasnoCreed
    @JasnoCreed 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the bias in this video is absurd. i dont wanna be the um actually guy, but u clearly dont know alot about red hood, fully read his n52 run, read red hood lost days, and read leviathan, hes insanely strong

  • @nukenarwhal7244
    @nukenarwhal7244 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Video had me rolling my eyes the moment you tried to imply the lean 170lb nightwing is stronger then 210lb Jason Todd who has literally been enhanced physically by his revival. Jason is literally the only member the of bat family that is Batman’s size. Like every writer of DC would disagree instantly if asked if nightwing was physically stronger. Like how you think the sub feat is losing to an orca bite

  • @vaindsgns4974
    @vaindsgns4974 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Batman said in Gotham Knights that even he was wrong for wanting Dick to be the next Batman, it was the fact that he had to be more like Nightwing.

  • @williamsummerson1204
    @williamsummerson1204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I can't disagree with Daniel on nightwing taking this fight, but as a character goes i will always be a bigger fan of the red Hood.

    • @sigmapooper45
      @sigmapooper45 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      his character in under the red hood is just so sick

    • @williamsummerson1204
      @williamsummerson1204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fax

  • @camaradiop3731
    @camaradiop3731 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    2:30
    I had that comic as a teenager!!!!
    Go, New Teen Titans!!!!
    Go, Nightwing, the first and GREATEST Robin!!!!
    'Nuff said (oops, wrong comic company)!!!!

  • @LeonardoTyrone-sr4qz
    @LeonardoTyrone-sr4qz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I love Jason todd, aka Red Hood, and I would love him to be Batman, but Nightwing definitely beats him and you said before in the first match Dick wins both in comic and your opinion and he might win here too.

  • @Sun-Warrior1911
    @Sun-Warrior1911 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I guess we know why they keep killing, nerfing, or humiliating him in the movies & games. He’s too close to Batman’s level!!

  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I can see this fight happening over Starfire.

    • @Shohoku00
      @Shohoku00 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Why? Star is (with Barbara) the main girl involved with Dick. I doubt that Jason cares in any shape or form for her, the moment that kind of linked them was only one of the many horrific decision the New 52 had. I can see them fighting for the Batman mantel, but we all know the outcome of that.

    • @ericlayton8888
      @ericlayton8888 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Shohoku00actually Jason always had a major crush on Babs when he was Robin and Dick’s mistreatment of her contributed to a lot of J’s early resentment towards him

    • @Shohoku00
      @Shohoku00 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ericlayton8888 I can see them clash due to that, I agree. OG comment was talking about Starfire though

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    DanCo = Nightwing's physically one tough S.O.B.!
    Every DC animated movie = Haha! Dick's shoulder goes crick-crack! :D

  • @andrewl.3899
    @andrewl.3899 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Honestly, the real answer is just whatever the writer wants 😂

  • @MrWr4ith
    @MrWr4ith 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nightwing is the big brother of the bat family. Big brothers often nurture the family, help build them up, and more importantly for this...can dunk on their little siblings anytime they want to. They don't always do it out of respect for their role, but never forget they usually can. Nightwing doesn't school red hood as much as he can because that's little bro. He wants him to feel good and have an easier life and routinely wrecking his shit wouldn't do that.

  • @rodyvanhulst
    @rodyvanhulst 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You forgot the most imortant Red hood feat: He was trained by the All-Caste ! On paper the red hood should be better than Nightwing but i agree that in most comics he isent. After Training with Batman and dying and being revived Jason Todds meets the All-Caste and even with the training from Batman he cant land a single punch on the All-Caste leader and she knocks him out with one blow ! After this he goes to a training that only one in 10.000 survive and he becomes stronger than the All-Caste leader. So on paper the All-Caste training is better than Batmans training and he should be better than Nightwing.

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Jason didn't get the full Batman training. And we don't really know how All Castle compares to Batman.
      And also Nightwing had a lifetime of Court of Owls training on top of what he got Batman and various other masters he trained

    • @rodyvanhulst
      @rodyvanhulst 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@huntertezz he did get enough Batman training that he could beat every member of the league of shadow and could predict every one of Batmans moves. So i would say a lot of Batman training and it wasent even good enough to touch a member of the all caste.

    • @NUCLEARDASH
      @NUCLEARDASH 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He got some Part of the batman training and defeated the all caste leader about, at least, 20 years after their prime. Not that much impressive.
      Also, the training is just part of the process, the person whos training are as important. Nightwing born training acrobatics with the flying graysons, dude just born to move. Jason was more forced to it than anything else.

    • @rodyvanhulst
      @rodyvanhulst 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NUCLEARDASH again with the Batman training he could predict every move and attack Batman made years later so it wasent just a "part" of training. Also not being able to land a punch on all caste with Batman training which was also enough to beat many League of shadow members to defeat the all caste definitely shows that this training is important.

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rodyvanhulst Maybe if he got the full bat training Jason would have beaten the ones from all castle. Like none of those guys are even in the top 10 of fighters in dc.
      Also beating league of assassin members is nothing big in the grand scheme of things. Even Barbara has beaten them in her wheelchair.
      Anyone with atleast the minimum bat training should be able to do that unless they hire Lady Shiva.

  • @gcardona4678
    @gcardona4678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm pretty sure that Jason is STRONGER than Dick and Bruce, also I think that Bruce is also stronger than Dick. But Dick is the fastest and the most agile. Also, another thing to say, is that Jason and Bruce are bigger than Dick, so even if they were the same character, if one is heavier and bigger, is gonna be strongest. Now, about technique, I think honestly that Dick is close to Batman, and Jason is behind them. So in general, I think that Bruce still win this. But if those 3 are in his Prime, Dick 1st Jason close 2nd and Bruce 3rd. Sons are meant to overpass their fathers, that's why I will never have children, nobody is gonna beat me.

    • @dc7981
      @dc7981 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Strength basically means nothing when Dick fights Slade a superhuman like what.... every other week or something?

  • @cynicalnitro8416
    @cynicalnitro8416 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dick would win even if it wasn't stated in the video... Dick is the older brother that is beloved and respected by ALL of his siblings... It isn't just an endearing personality that makes for a situation like that.

  • @49erNell
    @49erNell 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Danco, can you do Nightwing vs Daredevil?

  • @paragon_gaming
    @paragon_gaming 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not trying to be rude or anything, but I don't see how being flexible is going to save Nightwing from all of Red Hood's abilities, equipment, and just overall tactics. Here's why:
    You know those skilled fighters and assassins who trained both Jason and Bruce? Many of them (including the All-Caste) have said Jason was their best and most skilled student. Speaking of the All-Caste, what's Dick gonna do when he has to dodge thousands of All-Blades, gunfire, and bombs all at the same time? This is just equipment Jason has consistently. If we go more specific Jason gets things like Lazarus Pit magic (Gotham Knights video game), the Arkham Knight technology, Scarecrow's fear toxin, and even a Green Lantern ring (Dark Crisis On Infinite Earths #3).

  • @justinwahlquist6374
    @justinwahlquist6374 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I say they both good in they own way. 50/50

  • @sauce8277
    @sauce8277 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can’t believe people ever took Damien seriously. That character should have been refused and went out of business just like Disney these days. Don’t settle for cringe characters as your heroes.

  • @diemartist
    @diemartist 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Nightwing. The best. Batman recruited him as his partner. For a reason.

    • @redhoodie4111
      @redhoodie4111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Batman recruited him as a sidekick. Tim was the only one recruited as a partner

  • @J0HND0369
    @J0HND0369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Batman’s greatest success vs Batman’s greatest failure

  • @damianstarks3338
    @damianstarks3338 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Even though I agree with the winner of this fight I like Red Hood win lose or draw happy Friday

  • @CptCrash21
    @CptCrash21 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    King has said Batman was not holding back in their epic batcave fight & he considers Dick the superior fighter. Dick has trained with more people than just Bruce. The "Batman taught him everything he knows" line of thinking is shit. He went beyond his training with Bruce. Babs, Alfred, Selina, and others in the family have said they consider them equals.

  • @diegoborges3716
    @diegoborges3716 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In comics universe, Nightwing would win. But in real life, Red Hood would finish the fight with a single movement for his finger 👉

  • @CeeDoubleU
    @CeeDoubleU 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nightwing owns Redhood 10/10 times. Jason fanboys are insufferable

  • @kie4real663
    @kie4real663 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Does anyone remember when nightwing died from a stick to the head?😂😂😂 I'd just like to point that out. At least Jason died with a crow bar to the head by The joker beating him And then blowing him up.!!!!

    • @yahmicah4294
      @yahmicah4294 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That one was injustice on another earth. Jason Todd that died was in the main universe.

  • @danielwesley5051
    @danielwesley5051 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:17 Uncle Ben: I’m just gonna ignore that.

  • @AustinFoss00
    @AustinFoss00 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These always seem like the type of videos that get made recently because Red Hood has become quite a bit more popular in recent Comic book culture than Nightwing.
    Like, "He's even beaten Red Hood", ok cool, and Red Hood beat Batman in a fight in Red Hood and the Outlaws, he also beat Nightwing in a fight in Task Force Z, and was the only member of the family to beat Cassie in a fight in Batman Eternal. Let's not forget in that Task Force Z comic I mentioned, he beat Nightwing, Cassie and Tim in a 3v1 and only "lost" at the very end because he let them capture him and then he escaped when his objective was done. Can't forget Red Hood being considered a worthy All-Caste member, a mystical group attached to the League who fights demons and shit.
    The fun thing about the BatFam members is that they all have their good and bad spots. For instance, Jason is quick to anger, and Nightwing is quick to cheat on girlfriends. That's a joke but he does suffer from lust and overconfidence. I like Nightwing. But this "It's not even close" shit seems like massive cope

  • @skullx.
    @skullx. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Most of the things you said are cap,Jason knows more fighting style than Grayson he is 2x times stronger than him and has better IQ Battle, Grayson is good at speed, agility,stamina and IQ,Jason has more gadgets and better durability than Grayson idk how people be meat riding Dick so bad because they see as a close look to batman which is nothing like batman not even the mentality he is Superman but without Super powers,jason is probably batman but even worse because he has the guts to wipe anyone who would stand on his way like he is standing on business most of his crimes are done for the good that batman couldn't do like killing criminals in Gotham. For me it's Red hood winning this debate I can only imagine how this fight would go

  • @jasonjordan8376
    @jasonjordan8376 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Nightwing wins because he’s the better fighter. He already proved it.

  • @Jo-zz3be
    @Jo-zz3be 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man you are one of my new favorite channels, awesome content bro

  • @alexanderkennedy4954
    @alexanderkennedy4954 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Many think red hood isn't on the same level as batman but Jason has been on par with him as well as Shiva, Ra's, Deathstroke, Orphan. Todd is a powerhouse

  • @cherries7734
    @cherries7734 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i think the reason people think red hood would beat nightwing is because red hood just shoots and kills people, nightwing doesn't.

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well yeah, one is a trained assassin and marksman, the other guy just knows martial arts. A boxer vs. A Navy SEAL basically, comicbook nonsense loves to make the lesser/weaker opponent who would lose and most certainly die in real life, win.

  • @tonyah.960
    @tonyah.960 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for the outstanding show today!

  • @s4mur4rtist21
    @s4mur4rtist21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    in current comics dick grayson is batman's equal in terms of fighting and has actually beaten bruce multiple times without either of them holding back

  • @jasonbean2764
    @jasonbean2764 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel bad for Jason Todd, in a way. He did get murdered, after all.

    • @kenshin6836
      @kenshin6836 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      And I feel bad for jason todd got underestimated day by day like bro there's even a dude saying damien can beat red hood 💀

  • @docproc144
    @docproc144 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Alfred has said that Dick Grayson is the greatest fighter he’s ever seen, perhaps even greater than Bruce himself.

  • @hansklostermann117
    @hansklostermann117 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nightwing at this point is not just almost on par with Batman as a fighter. They are equals now

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Happy Friday!

  • @johnashton4776
    @johnashton4776 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    DC Characters are all superhuman regardless of training.

  • @noahbody9875
    @noahbody9875 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just to be that guy, Gorilla Grodd isn't a superhuman because he was never human to start with. He is a gorilla. Now Ultra Humanite can be superhuman because he was at one point a human.

  • @SlimeBabyTV
    @SlimeBabyTV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you die and come back, you’re automatically stronger than the first guy lol

  • @hey__you
    @hey__you 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    dude nightwing's strength shouldn't be stronger than jason....

  • @whunt5533
    @whunt5533 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yet Tim has the best chance at replacing Batman.

    • @Bl0cksy
      @Bl0cksy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, not really. nightwing has taken over for Batman several times in the comics, and in the TV shoes. Even he himself has acknowledged he will never get anywhere near as skilled in combat as Bruce is, where as Nightwing has good enough detective prowess and fighting ability, Bruce himself has stated that Nightwing would make a better Batman than Bruce himself.

  • @nicklassthr5147
    @nicklassthr5147 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dick Grayson the OG, undefeated!

  • @QuiteKing718
    @QuiteKing718 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Batman would never beat the shit out of Nightwing like he did Red Hood.

  • @yxungrose5993
    @yxungrose5993 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You used feats from Qoura lol? You should of actually read and done more research on the things you shown because you misinterpreted it or didn’t even know the context at all. Also your reasoning wasn’t great either. You left out many things for both characters too, stop getting your feats off of google and actually read next time

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So he doesn't actually read comics?

    • @yxungrose5993
      @yxungrose5993 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@StunningSilken I’m not saying that, but all the feats and arguments he used are off of google like qoura and respect threads. When he used them in the video some of those feats were severely misinterpreted or out of context, to which he didn’t know because again he got those feats out of a website instead of reading them

    • @StunningSilken
      @StunningSilken 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yxungrose5993 I understand.

  • @hybrid1540
    @hybrid1540 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Red hood beat Batman in a H2H fight in da comics and the only reason Nightwing is more of Batman’s choice to become Batman is bc unlike Jason he didn’t fail with Dick, and was able to mold him in the right direction and Dick is no where near as Brutal and Violent as Jason, Both of them r skilled in their own way and have both been trained by Batman and Other skilled masters. This fight is absolutely close and I would give it to dick in a H2H fight Extreme-diff, but with Gadgets and weapons Jason would most definitely win Mid-diff, Jason was trained by Batman and the people who trained Batman which is something Nightwing didn’t even do. I’m not saying that Nightwing doesn’t hold bck but Jason absolutely Holds bck a lot when fighting his family.

    • @callmejacob3234
      @callmejacob3234 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Red Hood won because Batman holds back if he didn't Red Hood would get squashed. Batman is superior to Jason in every way possible.

  • @denis3208
    @denis3208 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is far fetched to say it's no contest, Jason has tamed a wild and unstable superman and fought an Amazon and later worked with those two on equal terms AND by immortal All caste to fight another immortal shape shifting group. They are very much like Leonardo and Raphael, and even colors match, one is calm and collected, the other angry and ferocious. Each could win against each other, I'm sure Batman and other heroes are more pleased by Nightwing but Jason is permanently salving problems unlike most of them.

  • @oksaturn122
    @oksaturn122 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nightwing is a better replacement to Batman but Red Hood is a way cooler and deeply nuanced character as a whole, plus guns lol

  • @knvss
    @knvss 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why nightwing would actually win.
    He is stated to be the worlds greatest acrobat Has greater speed feats like dodging missiles, machine gunfire, 1 million batarangs. has been shown to have precognition. batman taught him all arts of combat. he knows more martial arts then jason. Hes beaten batman on even ground and jason todd while being electrocuted and tranquilized. He kept up with tempest one of the greatest atlantean fighters. Defeated david cain and hawkman. He has plenty of other feats but im too lazy. nightwing dogwalks jason btw🙏

  • @anonymousmessage6635
    @anonymousmessage6635 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nightwing and Red Hood are the contingency plan to stop Batman

  • @Davis2920022001
    @Davis2920022001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nightwing spent the MOST time with Batman. RedHood is a robin with no filter. 🔫👹. If Night wing isnt holding back he'd slaughter redhood

  • @felixthewolf7147
    @felixthewolf7147 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I personally think that we cant compare the two considering dick has gotten a lot more representation in media and comics compared to Jason, witch is why Jason seems to have a lot less feats, that's because he doesn't have more feats and has been in nightwing's shadow for a very long time. In my honest opinion i think the fight could go either way.

  • @noBody-ue6cs
    @noBody-ue6cs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Night wing got his acrobat stats boosted when he FRICKED Harley Quinn

  • @Extabyt3
    @Extabyt3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Considering Jason’s already kicked his ass numerous times in task force X and has Lazarus abilities that are on par with kryptonians, idk what ur smoking gang

  • @TheDjbenton
    @TheDjbenton 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Static Shock vs Miles Morales

  • @nimeshtharanga8375
    @nimeshtharanga8375 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think he can win "every single time"

  • @Nic0724
    @Nic0724 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    if i was red hood i’d make a suit explosion proof after joker…, nvm💀

  • @dionysisnance4204
    @dionysisnance4204 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Red hood drip allow him to beat nightwing

  • @pastelzombie3614
    @pastelzombie3614 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only thing nightwing inherited from batman was his toxic fans
    The grayson meat riding been ridiculous the last decade

  • @jacobcobb4970
    @jacobcobb4970 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    both of them can take a good beating. I would say that Red hood with character development can gain control of his temper is really all he would need to edge this out A win against his brother. What Jason, lacks in agility, I would argue he makes up for endurability and determination. Can’t say that Grayson has taken a nuke before. Lol.

    • @theoutlawking9123
      @theoutlawking9123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Dude, that temper nonsense is just writers giving Bruce or Dick a easy win, a mean c'mon, Jason is a trained assassin, when be first showed up as Red Hood he didn't have a problem controlling his anger or let it blind him in a fight. This is just the ony way these idiots can justify letting the trained assassin with guns lose to the guy with sticks. Don't fall for it.

    • @huntertezz
      @huntertezz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jason doesn't have temper issues. Dick just beats him because he is a better fighter.

  • @Marmar_157
    @Marmar_157 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Red hood was never meant to be Batman, red hood is basically batman, im not talking terms or strength or stuff like that but of who they are, red hood is Batman’s greatest failure not only cause he failed to protect him but because he couldn’t stop him from doing the things that needed to be done

  • @malickdiagne4955
    @malickdiagne4955 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Glad you clarified towards the end, I definitely agree in the case that you laid out.

  • @Godzillaiscool0721
    @Godzillaiscool0721 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don’t forget task force Z when Jason took on Nightwing, Tim Drake, and Cassandra Cain all at once and only lost because he got sucker punched while he was saving Nightwing’s life.

  • @TRUMP2024-cy3bv
    @TRUMP2024-cy3bv 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think Jason might have the advantage just purely because he has no regard for taking people in alive, if Jason all the sudden decides he wants to take down the bat family, and starts with Grayson, going off their previous battles he might be able to set a trap, and I don't care how fast you are no one can dodge a full arsenal of bullets without at least getting scraped, just look at nightwing and the court of owls incident the only reason he survived that was because of plot armor, also I sense that some c4 and other explosives could do the trick just as well as an arsenal, Jason's access to weaponry is just too much for nightwing dodge hand to hand combat on the other hand might be a different story I'm not saying Jason isn't a good fighter but nightwing just has to much to bring to the table with hand to hand combat, the way Jason's gonna have to handle it is with long range attacks, Jason could survive a while with his skill and previous battles in hand to hand combat, however he just can't match the speed and agility of nightwing forever.