I am constantly on my guard for false witness, I constantly pray about it. I pray before I listen to Joel or Victoria, and I can honestly say that every single time, I feel at peace about it. I agree that we will go through hard times, but I think everything in life is a test, a test to see if we'll trust God, a test to see if we're ready to be used to help others, it's character building, but I also think we should keep an attitude of faith when things are bad, believing they will get better.
your family is such a good example and a blessing.. thanks for sharing your life.. but i do really hope that you will both teach the life in eternity not just to live the better way here on earth but how to live in holiness and how to hate sin..God bless
I'll never really understand why people have a problem with the Osteens more so than any other religious person who has a mass following and is aired on TV. Putting the theology and scholarly critique aside, if they can get people to believe and give them hope then isn' t that the most important thing. I've only had issues with the fact that Joel never addresses misery, He just assumes that if you keep on "Keepin on," everything is going to be OK. But that doesn't always work .
"The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life." - John 12:25 I think the Bible speaks for itself.
They are amazing and I love them...so what if they do motivational speaking...they are preachers..they are doing amazing things...its blessing me and many peoples lives!!! God bless them bountifully.
Guys, lighten up! "Be hospitable to one another without complaint. As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Whoever speaks, let him speak........." 1 Peter 4;9-11 Don't give the enemy a playground here. These folks have a message from the Lord. If it is one you do not want to receive, so be it. Move on. The Enemy would love nothing more than for you to become obsessed with this!
@darthnozo i really think that what osteen' book is talking about is different from the scripture. osteen says to love our lives and its healthy to do so. the 'life' in the scripture is more like loving life as in 'wordly' things, so that means loving sin because sin is of the world. people, however are only in this world but we are not of it. theres a difference.
Matthew 17:20 He replied "because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "move from here to there", and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. Psalm 34:17-18 17 The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears them; He delivers them from ALL their troubles. 18The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. God doesn't want us to suffer, when we are, He wants us to turn to him.
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 12:11 “He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding.” Proverbs 13:15, “Good understanding giveth favour, but the way of transgressors is hard.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Ecclesiastes 9:11, “I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.”
@nettieheartful ::: I certainly do not understand as you do, and for this I am happy. Your way of understanding is negative and judgmental. Is that clear enough for you?
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, deceitful dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 14:33 “Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.” Proverbs 15:14, “The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 20:5, “Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out.” Proverbs 21:16, “The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.”
If Jesus wanted you to hate this life, why did he die on the cross to save you from your sins, that's not logical. He didn't die so that you'd be miserable. He took the stripes upon his back, so that we might be free of sin and disease. If you listen to these people, and I mean really listen, without judging, without preconceptions, I know you'll find that they do tell you that it doesn't mean you wont go through times of suffering. They just encourage you to stay positive through it, keep faith
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 28:11, The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.” Proverbs 28:16, “The prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hateth covetousness shall prolong his days.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 24:3, “Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:” Proverbs 28:2, “For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof, but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be prolonged.”
Woe unto you false prophets and false teachers who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Isaiah 11:2, “And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;” Isaiah 29:24, “They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 16:22, “Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.” Proverbs 17:24, “Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.”
Ummm Don't we already love our lives too much? Maybe you could write one on how to hate and lose my life for Jesus and the Gospel,\. By the way, could you send me a million dollars to help street kids in Zambia Africa and start an orphanage, Church and Bible school. Thank you.
Lord Jesus Christ said "He that loves his life will lose it, and he that hates his life in this world will keep it for life eternal" John 12:25 Everybody needs to think.
She is co-pastor? Wow, that is a leadership possion in the church. One that takes authority, teaches and guides. What does the Bible say about that? Glad you asked - 1Timothy 2:12 "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Read on and it tells of the qualifications to be a pastor. Women are not to be pastors and pulpit preachers, like it or not. It might not be politically correct but it is biblically correct.
I am the pastor of a small church and I am for sure not in it for the money. I get paid just enough tofill my gas tank. Joel Osteen and his wife would not be in it if it was not forthe money. Me and my wife help with the maintenance and she does most of the cleaning and janitorial work and she gets paid NOTHING for it. I doubt you would ever find Victoria Osteen on her hands and knees scrubbing a toilet. There is often more to doing the Lord's work than writing books!
@nettieheartful In my spiritual mind I do not understand how you can make believe the bible is the word of God. Its quality just isn't there. I gave up belief in a compound God many years ago, and opted for faith in the Creator alone. That solved innumerable theological problems associated with Christianity.
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, “Proverbs 21:30, “There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.” Proverbs 23:23, “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.”
it doesn't sound like the gospel according to Jesus, He said hate your life despise yourselves take your cross and fallow me, but I guess what she said is better right?
@Rylucero ::: Watch and pray and you will not fall into temptation, and that is scriptural . I prefer to fall before the real God, the Creator of all, perfect and all-powerful.. Perhaps all doctrines are the doctrines of the devil, because all are disputed by other Christians with a different point of view.
BS. Victoria and Joel have a very different preaching style. sure on the surface they look like prosperity preachers but the way both of them preach is their style. not every pastor or preacher should do it exactly the same. focus on god, not on your thoughts about them instead of criticising, encourage and inspire. preach the gospel and share your life with people.
@Rylucero I quote from the bible because YOU believe in it. I only believe in the bible if the truth of what it says is self-evident. Everyone seeks to further his/her own agenda. An objective view of the bible will not lead one to conclude it is the 'word of God'. That book is responsible for myriads of Christian denominations, and theological differences without number. The book is muddy; agreement on what it teaches is impossible to obtain.
Both God and Allah talked to me this afternoon. They said that i am paranoid schizophrenic and that they dont exist... My imaginary friends Jesus and Mouses also say the same... wich is sad because i just bought another controller for us to play Call of Dutyl...
festivesuccesscoach: People are following the Osteens in droves, but are not hearing the saving gospel message of the New Testament. Many people think that God only wants them to be happy, successful and kind to each other. But sadly many will die in their sins and go to a christless eternity because of this no-gospel message. I'm sure the Osteens are very nice people but they are not leading people toward salvation.
If you follow these people for 30 years, you will die in your sins. The Osteens are not preaching the saving Gospel of the Jesus Christ as found in the New Testament. These people are motivational speakers with a christian slant. To call them pastors is a sham!
To put value in God's Word meaning to make it known to people, to make them realize the meaning and IMPORTANCE of The Bible? Sorry, I dare to interpret her....
If you think God wants us to live a life of suffering and misery, I encourage you to read John 10:10. I'm not writing it here, because you need to read it, and the verses surrounding. It's right from the mouth of Jesus, what better authority is there!
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, despicable dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 15:21, “Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.” Proverbs 15:32, “He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 17:28, “Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.”Proverbs 18:2, “A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.”
Her hair is incredible
I am constantly on my guard for false witness, I constantly pray about it. I pray before I listen to Joel or Victoria, and I can honestly say that every single time, I feel at peace about it. I agree that we will go through hard times, but I think everything in life is a test, a test to see if we'll trust God, a test to see if we're ready to be used to help others, it's character building, but I also think we should keep an attitude of faith when things are bad, believing they will get better.
She's such a nice girl I love her smile and voice...
your family is such a good example and a blessing..
thanks for sharing your life..
but i do really hope that you will both teach the life
in eternity not just to live the better way here on earth
but how to live in holiness and how to hate sin..God bless
Their kids are so lucky.
I love their ministry! now just got her book im looking forward to reading this book!
I love Joel and Victoria osteen as favorite preachers on television
I'll never really understand why people have a problem with the Osteens more so than any other religious person who has a mass following and is aired on TV. Putting the theology and scholarly critique aside, if they can get people to believe and give them hope then isn' t that the most important thing. I've only had issues with the fact that Joel never addresses misery, He just assumes that if you keep on "Keepin on," everything is going to be OK. But that doesn't always work .
"The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life." - John 12:25
I think the Bible speaks for itself.
John 12:25
He that LOVETH his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Expose The Osteens
They are amazing and I love them...so what if they do motivational speaking...they are preachers..they are doing amazing things...its blessing me and many peoples lives!!! God bless them bountifully.
Isn't this the woman who was prosecuted for beating up a flight attendant?
hey they put family first, and here we are thinking jesus was supposed to be there lol
Guys, lighten up! "Be hospitable to one another without complaint. As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. Whoever speaks, let him speak........." 1 Peter 4;9-11
Don't give the enemy a playground here. These folks have a message from the Lord. If it is one you do not want to receive, so be it. Move on.
The Enemy would love nothing more than for you to become obsessed with this!
@darthnozo
i really think that what osteen' book is talking about is different from the scripture. osteen says to love our lives and its healthy to do so. the 'life' in the scripture is more like loving life as in 'wordly' things, so that means loving sin because sin is of the world. people, however are only in this world but we are not of it. theres a difference.
@zharlou They do teach holiness. What better preparation for the life to come than learning how to live here. Since when did holiness include hatred?
@Cling2theCross True true.
❤❤❤❤🎉
I love her accent
May God go always forward in their steps
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@MrCharrrles She didn't mention you or me either, so what is that supposed to prove?
@nettieheartful Who's we?
@jacknuts22 Did they con you?
Matthew 17:20
He replied "because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "move from here to there", and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.
Psalm 34:17-18
17 The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears them; He delivers them from ALL their troubles. 18The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
God doesn't want us to suffer, when we are, He wants us to turn to him.
She's a beaut.
@rogeruhler Lol I was just about to quote that verse.
@k0smon
what i mean is hatred in sin and to love in holiness and righteousness..;)
God bless
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 12:11 “He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with bread: but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding.” Proverbs 13:15, “Good understanding giveth favour, but the way of transgressors is hard.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Ecclesiastes 9:11, “I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.”
Wow............
@nettieheartful Maybe so. I do like to stand out as the voice of reason, however.
@nettieheartful ::: I certainly do not understand as you do, and for this I am happy. Your way of understanding is negative and judgmental. Is that clear enough for you?
ugh i think I'm gonna be sick
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, deceitful dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 14:33 “Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.” Proverbs 15:14, “The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 20:5, “Counsel in the heart of man is like deep water; but a man of understanding will draw it out.” Proverbs 21:16, “The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.”
Doesn't The Bible say that if you "Love your Life" you will lose it?
These people need prayer, They need Jesus
Hello
@nettieheartful ::: And off with you, oh name-calling Nettie.
If Jesus wanted you to hate this life, why did he die on the cross to save you from your sins, that's not logical. He didn't die so that you'd be miserable. He took the stripes upon his back, so that we might be free of sin and disease. If you listen to these people, and I mean really listen, without judging, without preconceptions, I know you'll find that they do tell you that it doesn't mean you wont go through times of suffering. They just encourage you to stay positive through it, keep faith
Jesus says in John 12:25. “He who loves his life will lose it, and the one who hates his life in this world will keep it forever.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 28:11, The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.” Proverbs 28:16, “The prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hateth covetousness shall prolong his days.”
her personality shows the true woman of God....lovely woman....
@opoutry "And that makes me sad" Truly, you are sad.
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 24:3, “Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established:” Proverbs 28:2, “For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof, but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be prolonged.”
@nettieheartful Not so obvious. Why don't you ask those crowds what they think instead of erroneously speaking for them.
Woe unto you false prophets and false teachers who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Isaiah 11:2, “And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;” Isaiah 29:24, “They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 16:22, “Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.” Proverbs 17:24, “Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.”
Amen to that...I don't hear anything about Jesus and repenting from our sins...that's crazy! These Osteen are sending many people to hell!
Ummm Don't we already love our lives too much? Maybe you could write one on how to hate and lose my life for Jesus and the Gospel,\. By the way, could you send me a million dollars to help street kids in Zambia Africa and start an orphanage, Church and Bible school. Thank you.
@nettieheartful Sure. I like to 'stir the puddin'. It makes the bibliolaters think, hopefully.
Lord Jesus Christ said "He that loves his life will lose it, and he that hates his life in this world will keep it for life eternal" John 12:25
Everybody needs to think.
She is co-pastor? Wow, that is a leadership possion in the church. One that takes authority, teaches and guides. What does the Bible say about that? Glad you asked - 1Timothy 2:12 "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Read on and it tells of the qualifications to be a pastor. Women are not to be pastors and pulpit preachers, like it or not. It might not be politically correct but it is biblically correct.
Get it together, Vicki!! Is she actually flirting?...
I am the pastor of a small church and I am for sure not in it for the money. I get paid just enough tofill my gas tank. Joel Osteen and his wife would not be in it if it was not forthe money. Me and my wife help with the maintenance and she does most of the cleaning and janitorial work and she gets paid NOTHING for it.
I doubt you would ever find Victoria Osteen on her hands and knees scrubbing a toilet. There is often more to doing the Lord's work than writing books!
@Rylucero Boy,are you off base. Everything he said is true. Don't you know anything about psychology?
LOL
@nettieheartful In my spiritual mind I do not understand how you can make believe the bible is the word of God. Its quality just isn't there. I gave up belief in a compound God many years ago, and opted for faith in the Creator alone. That solved innumerable theological problems associated with Christianity.
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, “Proverbs 21:30, “There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.” Proverbs 23:23, “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.”
if you really attend his church, get out of it and get into a strong reformed church. Trust me the feel good gospel will not help you.
it doesn't sound like the gospel according to Jesus, He said hate your life despise yourselves take your cross and fallow me, but I guess what she said is better right?
@Rylucero ::: Watch and pray and you will not fall into temptation, and that is scriptural . I prefer to fall before the real God, the Creator of all, perfect and all-powerful.. Perhaps all doctrines are the doctrines of the devil, because all are disputed by other Christians with a different point of view.
@abakhsho
what a troll
Is that your goal in life, to dissemble? interesting.
@nettieheartful You are calling for help! Your own reasoning obviously cannot stand the challenge.
BS. Victoria and Joel have a very different preaching style. sure on the surface they look like prosperity preachers but the way both of them preach is their style. not every pastor or preacher should do it exactly the same. focus on god, not on your thoughts about them
instead of criticising, encourage and inspire. preach the gospel and share your life with people.
@Rylucero I quote from the bible because YOU believe in it. I only believe in the bible if the truth of what it says is self-evident. Everyone seeks to further his/her own agenda. An objective view of the bible will not lead one to conclude it is the 'word of God'. That book is responsible for myriads of Christian denominations, and theological differences without number. The book is muddy; agreement on what it teaches is impossible to obtain.
@nettieheartful ::: You speak in riddles. Are you sure it is not you who are deceived? You 'rrest' you case?
Both God and Allah talked to me this afternoon. They said that i am paranoid schizophrenic and that they dont exist... My imaginary friends Jesus and Mouses also say the same... wich is sad because i just bought another controller for us to play Call of Dutyl...
i can see right through her.
festivesuccesscoach: People are following the Osteens in droves, but are not hearing the saving gospel message of the New Testament. Many people think that God only wants them to be happy, successful and kind to each other. But sadly many will die in their sins and go to a christless eternity because of this no-gospel message. I'm sure the Osteens are very nice people but they are not leading people toward salvation.
Yes... may God help you .. Looks like you really need it lol
If you follow these people for 30 years, you will die in your sins. The Osteens are not preaching the saving Gospel of the Jesus Christ as found in the New Testament. These people are motivational speakers with a christian slant. To call them pastors is a sham!
To put value in God's Word meaning to make it known to people, to make them realize the meaning and IMPORTANCE of The Bible? Sorry, I dare to interpret her....
How to love your life.......in the worldly system, the system that is ruled by Satan. Is this woman really a Christian? a pastor? or a life coach?
@cac0017 Just goes to show you how wrong and out of date the bible is. And you thought that mess was 'the word of God'.
Her eyes give me the creeps! She looks like something out of a Stephen King movie.
Remember, the eyes are the windows of the soul.
If you think God wants us to live a life of suffering and misery, I encourage you to read John 10:10. I'm not writing it here, because you need to read it, and the verses surrounding. It's right from the mouth of Jesus, what better authority is there!
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, despicable dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 15:21, “Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.” Proverbs 15:32, “He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.”
Woe unto you false prophets, false teachers and false prophetesses who hath not understanding, the pits of hell await thee, dogs who lead many astray, whose condemnation can be found in the glorification of self, Proverbs 17:28, “Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.”Proverbs 18:2, “A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.”