my own Leica M11 Monochrom... sort of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2023
- Leica has released a brand new firmware update to the M11 which fixed some issues and added new features. Today I'll be sharing those updates and also sharing a little bit of my editing and printing with these files so far. Should I have gone with a M10 Monochrom instead? Let's talk about it!
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I would LOVE to hear about your printing process and maybe even how you sell your prints! Always get excited when a new Matt Day video pops up in the feed. 🙂
Good to hear yours doesn’t freeze now, mine still does 🙄 so it’s not fixed yet!
Seeing those prints up close made me excited for printing again.
I’ve been shooting an M9 and an M9M for over ten and seven years, respectively. The M9M is the best camera I’ve ever owned. I was a black and white shooter before and now w the M9M I can shoot in pure BW, old school w filters. Maybe someday I’ll trade up, but for now im very happy.
Love that! I do still love the sound of the M9 cameras.
Your videos absolutely are inspiring. I’ve owned Leica film and digital cameras off and on for many years. I last had the M10 Monochrom as well as an SL2. I watched your M11 videos, including the first look video from last January, many times while considering buying the M11. Your most recent videos helped me decide to take the plunge, and I could not be happier. Like you, I don’t miss the traditional bottom plate (I dropped one on pavement once and almost had to be sedated…), and the combination of the much improved battery life, USB-C charging, and internal memory are great features. More than anything, I love the image quality. By the way, I’ve had no lock-up issues whatsoever.
That’s great to hear! Appreciate you being here, glad the videos were helpful. 🤝
Did you ditch the SL2?
Yes. I have Nikon gear as well and felt that the SL2, while still great for many purposes, was falling a bit behind. I think there will be a new version fairly soon. The SL lenses are fantastic.
killing it bro.. keep the M11 content coming!
A great little video Matt! I personally shoot most things in color on my digital and film cameras, whether that is Nikon or Leica but the beauty and directness of B&W is undeniable, I'm much closer to 50/50 than you are haha.
I know you love your 35mm Summicron ASPH but you should have some quality time with the 35mm Summilux FLE. I wasn't even a 35mm guy myself and ever since I've got it - I struggle to take it off my camera, it's got the perfect size, weight, ergonomics, and most of all the image rendering is very pleasing and flattering while having modern resolution and minimal aberrations. Best of all, the prices on the version 1 are better than ever and the silver ones aren't brass so they're as light as the black finish as well, unlike the (spectacular) 50 Summilux ASPH.
I love to set it up without the hood and just the finishing ring and UV filter, that set up has served me well for several months now. There's always more joy to be had with that amazing camera you have there in the M11! Now to try and afford one myself...may 2023 bring on good fortune.
Making me miss my M10R more and more. Haha the shadow recovery on that barn shot, holy smokesssss 🤌🏼
keep up the work man !! videos are always so good! I would love prints to go up!!
I agree with you with regard to M10 monochrome and the M11. I used the M10M for a year, I didn’t like the rendering and ended up with a pocket of filters. So I sold it and picked up an M11 and I so love it. The changes are fantastic. My favourite is high speed electronic shutter that allows me to use my fast lenses in bright light. But the most important for me is I love how I have total control of the colour to monochrome mix. I never bonded with the M10M but after a few weeks I am in love with the M11
Oh and I only shoot in monochrome
Hey Matt thanks and great work again. Would also love to see your print process at home.
And you’re right - it’s gotta be what works for you. I recently sold my M240 because it didn’t truly work for me and have gone back to a DSLR, which does. Do I miss the Leica? Sure, but my work is better and easier and that’s what matters.
Keep it up, always enjoy your videos. Ben
Great video Matt. All of the reasons you described, I chose the M11 as my first digital Leica. For me another reason was the ability to shoot colour when I need it, even though I prefer B&W. Honestly I couldn't afford to have a B&W Leica and a colour Leica, so the M11 is just right. Absolutely love this camera after shooting M4 for a while, and haven't touched my R5 for a long time, unless I need video or going to shoot in a mosh pit. Thanks for the heads up on the firmware :)
Glad to hear you’re enjoying yours as well. 👍🏻
Would love to have a print of yours! Would enjoy a video about the process and how to get some prints from you!
Love the M11 but did have a handful of times it would freeze while shooting shows on tour. But intermittent use I never had any issue. Hoping the firmware remedied it completely.
For getting images off the camera from the internal storage do you tend to use the Leica FOTOS app or just plug in through usb c?
When you mention Chillicothe for a second I thought you were from chillicothe IL which not far from where I grew up but then I saw in your about section it was Ohio. :) But anyway ran across your channel because I just purchased a new to me Leica M3(from KEH). I am still getting my bearings shooting with a range finder- I grew up shooting film and with an SLR. Also at some point point I want to get a digital camera because actually I have never shot with one. For me shooting digital would be a whole new world like shooting film is for a lot of the younger folks, I actually like the M3 so much that I feel like at some point a used Leica digital M camera may be the way I go.
Any chance you would want to share your printing process for digital prints? Been shooting the Leica Q2 for the last year and would love to start printing again. Great video!
For sure! I’ll work on a step by step of what I usually do when I’m in here working. 👍🏻
I have just a question dear Matt, do you crop in other formats your photos? I mean more than the standard 3x2, do you crop 7x5, 4x3, etc? Just out of curiosity...thank you in advance...
I plan on getting an M11 Monochrom, but I'll wait until the M12M version comes out first and the used prices go down. By that time, it will be yesterday's news, but it will still be new to me. 😉 I just got the M10M, and it really is all that. I'm very excited about the results I'm getting with this camera right now. Digital monochrome is a thing, and it's awesome. Even the digital noise looks beautiful, and this camera showcases classic lenses in the best possible way. I may have been skeptical about Leica Monochrom in the past, but after actually using it, I'm certainly not on the fence anymore. In the right hands, it's an invaluable artistic tool.
Hmmm. The camera freeze issue was a thing with the M8, too.
Hearing all your reasons for the M11 makes total sense for me and I would probably make the same choice, if I were in such a position. That being said I’m curious, if you will jump on an M11 Mono, if that will be released in the next years 🙃
Time will tell! Had that camera already been out back in November when I bought the M11, things might look different today..
hi matt. wondering how many times you calibrate your lens? i heard u have to calibrate often the farthest focusing distance and the minimum focusing distance.. thanks. noob here.
that shot of Molly with the 50lux.
Love my M11 but still have a freeze with Firmware 1.6:
1. When the camera goes in standby mode and can’t return until I take out the battery. In this moment in viewfinder the frame is on
2. When I turn off the camera and can't on until take out the battery.
SD card: SD SanDisk Extreme Pro 200 MB/S 128GB, before worked with a SD Kingstone Canvas Select Plus 128GB but also had freeze. Tried to format cards with SD Card Formatter and changed the time in saving mode but nothing...
I have the M11 and I also keep thinking if I should just change it to the M10 Mono and change my modern M lenses to the classic reissues. I still have my Sony modern setup for when I want color anyway. That said, I dont think I'd wanna give up the USB charging and the increased battery life (had the original M10 ) . Perhaps will have to wait when the M11 Mono comes out .
Nice photo’s!
Man I DREAM of this camera, I own an M6 but this M11 would be. Dream come true for me! I need to hit that powerball. Lolol. I am actually saving hard for the next Q series, something I can safely afford.
Is it a concern that water or humidity can get in that USB-C port? does it have a rubber cover or something or is it always open like that?
Great video 👍🏻 soon also M11 owner 😊 what monitor are y using for editing?
I wonder will they do an m11 monochrom? Seems a natural progression given the m10 & Q2 monos.
I’d bet my M11 on it, it’s just a matter of when. Had an M11 Monochrom been out at the time of me considering the M11, there’s a good chance I would have gone that route. Time will tell!
Where do I go to see images available for prints?
Am I wrong to guess that you filmed your A roll on SL2S? There is a magnenta pop on the skintones that I'm fighting with, and I see it on your footage.
Hey Matt, Happt New Year! Printer-related question - do you or anyone you know have any experience with the Canon ProGraf200? I want to begin printing my work and will mostly be printing postcards but would love to print some larger prints as well. (the Pro1000 is too large for my space)
Check out Keith Cooper at Northlight Images. A UK website and YT channel who provides a ton of info on using photo printers.
@@liveinaweorg thank you!
Hey, do you have issues with the highlights? I notice there aren't many?
The latest update destroyed the firmware my M11. The camera can't remember any settings I set. I have to send it back to Leica. :( Otherwise fantastic camera. I Tried to warn you matt because it can only happen with cameras that have profiles created with Firmware 1.5.
Another M11 owner here. I think I have a similar problem -- after just updating to Firmware 1.6. After updating, every time I turn on the camera, it reverts back to ISO 2000 (with ISO dial set to M) and shutter settings always revert to electronic shutter (as opposed to mechanical or hybrid). I will also write to Leica and see what they say...
With all of these problem (freezing and update problem) it is not good how expensive this camera and also for the company. Until then I’ll wait for them to fix all of these issues before I buy. 👌
@@d.c.sheets2592 Yes sounds like the same problem I am having. With the profiles created in 1.5, no more settings can be saved in 1.6.
Probably you have to reset yours too but that only works at Leica stores or workshops.
I got mine after much trial and error again halfway to work through a trick.
If you change the dng resolution in the quick settings and then turn off the camera, it sometimes saves this change. If it was changed you can change some settings again. I'll just wait for the firmware update.
@@sherv25 The problems have indeed accumulated with the M11. As long as they try to change something, everything is fine. However, for the price, you really expect perfection right from the start, not beta firmware.
In your experience, has dust on the sensor been an issue?
I noticed more than usual dust on my M10-R and was wondering if the always open sensor would attract more?
No issues for me, but when the camera is turned off, the sensor is covered by the shutter. So any time I change lenses, I turn the camera off and never really worry about it. I don’t believe the M10 line of cameras were like this, if I remember correctly.
@@mattdayphoto correct, the M10 line only opened the shutter when taking an image. I tend to leave my camera on when walking around. That’s why I was wondering if the open shutter curtain of the m11 when the camera is on, which would be open for far longer than any m10 camera, would have more dust issues. Thanks for taking the time to reply! :)
Does it make sense for the M10-P owner to buy an M11 Monochrom?
Mat, I’d be very interested to see what cameras you still own and why.
As a photographer who loves film and digital it would be great to see someone else’s cameras who is also working as a professional artist.
Many thanks from Jonathan William Fay
If I had an M11, I’d be shooting at 15MP for the expanded DR and because I find 16-20 MPs my sweet spot, one of the reasons I keep a Nikon Df around.
Love that doorway photograph!!
The mode is 18MP (not 15) and you really don't get expanded dynamic range, that's mostly for JPGs in the 36 and 18 megapixel modes. If you use 60MP DNGs and bring up the shadows in post, all tests point to the DR being essentially the same in the final photograph. The biggest difference is that the buffer is being bigger in 36/18 modes over 60, which is nice for the few situations you'd need that with an M camera. The sweet spot for me would be 36MP, enough resolution for slight cropping but less storage space used, bigger buffer, and so on.
Thanks for the info. The first videos I watched on the M11 didn’t specify that the claimed expanded DR was jpg only. Ah, 18MP…even better.
sadly, reducing the megapixels doesn't actually lead to any IQ improvements. It's more for convenience. Which is ok .
Great to see the M11…..With the price of film nowadays, this camera would pay for itself in no time at all. The photos you take look comparable to film images!!
I really want to get an M11 but I'm very concerned about being able to focus f/1.4 at close distances. In my short experience with an M10-D I found that I failed a lot. To be noted that I have been using an MP for a few years with f/1.4 lenses (35 & 50)
If you're shooting wide open regularly and especially in close distance, you'll definitely have to shoot carefully but I think that would go for any M. I don't know what kind of differences there are if any in the calibration thresholds of the different M cameras. Sometimes I think it's the fact that I notice the sharpness difference in a digital file compared to a film scan where the grain can mask some of that softness at times.
Please put up the print shop on your site again! I need a print of that “outdoor drama” shot from a few months back.
Appreciate you!
I bought the M11 about two months ago, and it would lock up on me almost every time I was using it…super frustrating given the price tag. Since the latest firmware was released, I have not had the lock up issue (to my relief). Aside from the lock up issue, it works flawlessly. I take it everywhere with me. I do hope other M11 users still having the lock up issue take a trip to their nearest Leica store since the warranty on the M11 can perhaps provide a new camera, or a repair. Also, Leica does seem to pay close attention to customer feedback, so there are options out there for those still having that issue.
Hey Pablo, how did your lock up? Mine did it two weeks ago where the back LED light came on when I turned it on and never turned off and the camera was unresponsive. I had to take out the battery, recharge it and then turn it on without the lens to have it work again. Since then I haven’t had issues. Many people say it’s the tough Sony SD card, but I had issued on my M10 with every SD card I used!
Glad to hear yours has been sorted out with the firmware update. Reading comments now and it seems like there are people still having issues, which is a bummer to hear. To your point, they certainly do listen for this sort of feedback and I hope further improvements keep rolling out. It’s a great camera, but obviously given the price, it can be super frustrating when you run into issues like that.
I’ve been told to check my SD card as well, just from comments and DMs. I’ve used both Lexar and SanDisk, both high end and high speed cards, and that never made a difference which card I was using in terms of performance with the camera.
@@EliehbkHey man, sorry to hear that about your M11. Mine would just lock up while I was shooting, so I’d have to quickly open and close the battery. After the update I have not had the lock up. I would highly recommend sending in to Leica, as you could be dealing with an internal firmware issue. But I would recommend you insist to the folks over at Leica to have a closer inspection, because for a $9k camera you should have a fully functioning camera. That’s just my two cents!
@@pablounzueta8101 thanks, Pablo! I want to see if it happens again. When the lock up happened, I had put back the M11 in my bag without turning it off. I found out that the shutter button was depressed and that I had taken 300 shots in the bag. I think this had somehow depleted the battery and made the system unresponsive…
Only some causes of freeze have been fixed, there are still many. Mine and others (see various forums) are still experiencing many freezes. But it's a step forward.
My m11 usually freeze too. It s not okay for that price
I hate to hear that, but I appreciate the heads up and feedback. Gonna keep everyone here up to date if I run into any further issues. Like you said, a step forward. Just hope they can get it taken care of timely. 🤞🏻
Hey Matt - great video. Curious - which version of the 35mm do you have?
Looks like the Summicron-M ASPH. “Version 1” which was made from 1996-2016.
David is correct! First version ASPH.
@@Davidherington Thank you!
@@mattdayphoto Thanks!
Great video! You could take it a step further and have Lightroom apply b&w on import so you never see the colour version
True! Thanks for watching!
Just wondering whether you see yourself ever going back to film and whether you sold your Leica M6.
Greetings Matt. Long time black and white shooter here. I keep looking at and drooling over the Lecia Q2 Monochrome. I've been thinking about making the switch. I am currently with Nikon and my Z50 never leaves the monochrome profile that I have set up. The only issue I can see is the 28mm F 1.7 focal length, How usable are the crops on the Q2M? Cheers, Jerry in Fort Wayne Indiana,
I actually did a video testing them out when the camera was released. th-cam.com/video/kDabG8q7YzE/w-d-xo.html
@@mattdayphoto Yes Ive watched that one several times. I guess time to go raid the piggy bank...
I'm curious about how the M11 shutter feels; my understanding is that it uses the sensor to meter so it's like being in live view all the time, and honestly the thought of the shutter always feeling/sounding like live view steers me away from the M11 (not that I'm in the market anyway lol)
Feels great to me but I know that’s not helpful at all. Haha. I’ll try to squeeze some ASMR in one of the upcoming videos 🎤
Barn photo is v nice
why didn't you get the m11 monochrome instead of the m10m?
Imagone when they make a 8 thousand dollar camera weather sealed? Talking about convenience...
So godox announced their wireless trigger for leica a few months ago with HSS available on the m10 at launch, so far i was only able to get it to work in ttl mode but not manual mode. THEN a week later found out Profoto announced their leica wireless trigger with HSS 😅 exciting times to be a leica owner who's a fan of strobes ^_^
It’s getting the wheels turning, definitely want to explore this soon. 🤞🏻
I bought the new Godox TTL trigger for Leica and TTL does not work on my M11. only works in manual mode. Perhaps it is for the SL2.
@@j5daniel182 I’d double check the compatibility list on their website but at launch I believe the m11 was left out, I’m sure they’ll update it to work at some point.
@@2071photo yes it was not in the list. I just assumed it was ok. Haha. Hopefully it gets updated. Thats a game changer.
@@j5daniel182 so I just figured out why it wasn’t working for me, I was on the wrong firmware update for the strobe. Once I opened up a new one with the current firmware (1.3 ad400pro and 1.1 xpro II L) HSS works with TTL and on manual mode. Gonna set up some shoots to make a video on this kit ☺️🤘🏽.
Is KEH only for the States?
If you go to KEH…Help from the pull down “hamburger” menu…Shipping, they say they’ll ship internationally with FedEX.
Lighting is v nice in this vid. Crispy gang #FTA
anyone know what camera he uses to record his videos?
The funny thing is that i shoot 99% BW and probably should have gotten the 246 instead of the 240, but with my setup (classic metering no live view, Cobalt CCD Monochrom) I really really like MY M240...every scratch, brassing, etc. and would have a hard time giving it up. Now, I wish I could prove this, but the M11's resolution and dynamic range coupled with Cobalt's Monochrom emulation will probably give you as good or better results than an M10M. The only thing the M10M might have is better high ISO performance, but I would love to see how DxO DeepPrimeHD evens things out. Somebody should do that test. :P
My point is, finding a setup that works FOR YOU is key. It might be the USB...it might be HAVING a bottom plate, and it may be a collection of little things, but it's joyous to find that so you can concentrate on the frame.
This goes to show how far down the rabbit hole I’ve yet to go down because I don’t know anything about Cobalt or their emulations. Haha. Appreciate the tip, I’ll look into it!
Matt are you done with film? Dont you miss shooting with film since you did it for more than a decade.
Would you switch to an M11 Monochrome if they made one? I assume one doesn’t exist? I’m not a Leica user.
I have read or heard that the M11 really needs the latest lenses to get the most out of the camera (mp) - what’s your experience?
I've had no issues with any of my lenses resolving the sensor on the M11. My 50mm Summicron V4 (1979), 35mm Summicron ASPH V1 (1996), and Canadian 90mm Summicron (1980) are all fully capable of reaching the camera's potential. I think complaints are a mix of Leica encouraging users to buy their newest lenses, and users having difficulty focusing accurately with a rangefinder.
I can’t offer much experience there as I’ve only tested my two lenses, both modern lenses. If I get my hands on some vintage glass (maybe a sponsor could help us out there..) I’ll see what I can make and share! ❤️
Id get a print you you my boy.
I'm not a leica hater, but they sure do seem to have a lot more serious issues than the rest of the camera manufacturers.
Can’t deny that. I don’t know what goes on within the company and the respective departments, but being a much smaller company, I’m sure the time and number of people working on it plays a big role.
Matt: "Why did I get the M11 instead of the M10 Monochrom? Because it is easier to justify replacing the M11 with the M11 Monochrom!" 😉
Lovely images and informative video. Now I just need an additional $7500 and I’d be in business.
Thanks for watching!
ugh, you're making me want to finally upgrade...
I heared that the m11 has a significantly higher iso performance then the m10 mono
Sell prints, Matt. Sell us prints.
Okay, hear me out. In regards to high speed flash sync as a firmware update- there isn’t enough firmware in the world to suddenly change the speed of light.
If I’m shooting in the field, I will never notice the difference between 1/100s and 1/1000s as far as my personal, neurological reaction time.
I feel like they must be forcing the camera into something like a 1/100s shot with the physical, mechanical shutter and then taking a(faster than) 1/125s (or whatever flash sync is) shot with digital shutter tech.
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth if true. Kinda dishonest if you ask me. But also, we are a dumb species and marketing lingo makes a difference whether I like it or not. So I’m torn.