2023 PSE Dominator Duo 40 M2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- 2023 PSE Domintor Duo comes in 3 sizes 40,38 and 35". Each bow will have 3 cam choices. We look at the Domintor Duo 40 M2. We compare the bow to the PSE Perform and PSE Citation.
We give honest feed back on how we view the new PSE target bow.
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Thanks for your honest commentary and comparison of this bow compared to years passed. Looking forward to the next video where you shoot and review how it performs.
You know what, I might actually stick with the trusty Citation even though it's on the slow side. Just shot state target on the weekend and even the most horrible breaks were hitting the middle😂.
Disappointing to see a lack of a fully fledged anodised colours.
Good evolution of the EM cam to the M2 so it has that adjustable stop.
Only because you like the way yours looks. 8)
Looked like Dave Cousins was using this bow to win the world archery field championship a couple of days ago.
Hope to see a shooting review on this bow soon. I have saved up too by a brand new bow for the first time and can't really decide between this in 38 and the Elite Verdict, it really sucks not being able to try them out before spending almost an entire month salary 😕
I’ve decided to stick with shooting my version 1 Dominator of 7 years ago. Changed out my strings and got new ones, upgraded my sight / scope combo, and pretty much did a full on precision tune on it, and I have to say……it still shoots lights out. This puppy will probably compete for another 7 years before I even think about another “ Latest and greatest “ bow out there. Especially with prices of bows these days, I figure……” if ain’t broke, don’t fix it “. Personally, they should’ve just stayed with the original design. 😎🏹👍🤷♂️
Interesting behind the scenes insights here. Cheers!
Ordered one today and then saw this video. Hope im gonna like it lol
Im sure you will, it will be by no means a bad bow😀 they just could have made some small changes to it
The Expression replaced the Dominator.
I am really interested in this bow but I've heard PSE is for sale and trying to get warranty support for bows is difficult.
Well one positive to your point about shops having to stock a bunch of different variants: RH and LH are the same bow, parts just get swapped around
Great that it can be right or left! Unique cam clips to go left or right. Dave Cousin just won national field with it.
Not national... world!😅
@@liamboyle9199 yep, sorry. What a legend!
This kinda reminds me of that Junxing shoot thru riser bow you reviewed quite a while back, lol
Are you suggesting PSE is copying Junxing?
Lol!
I'm not a huge fan of the paint finishes coming out lately with some bows like all the camo/tan options. What happened to all the blues/greens/reds etc etc
I wonder the same. I still have my bright pink hoyt invicta, I love the old colors so much.
Trends - but yes all the bright colours.
You're not a real man unless it's camo and you're shooting animals the size of a car from 10yds.
It looks like the paint is already worn on around the top insert of the riser?
No it is made that way. Which maybe a problem for buyers. We will see.
Well, going by your initial impression, I think you are still going to sell all your bows and keep the Verdict?
Please review the Hoyt stratos hbt 36.
Between the last 4 shoot through PSE bows what are your thoughts on the best shooting bow with the least amount of hand shock?
Thanks and I hope your recovery is going well.
this bow in lancaster is 1,700 USD, 150USD less than las year citation, this is a big thing.
lol, the 2017 PSE EVOLVE 35 is IMO the best bow they ever made.
I guess we'll see how many orders you get, seeing that the cable guard and cam selection seem to be the "new" things. Hopefully it shoots well. Looking forward to the shooting review.
Is PSE CITATION sold by coach? How much if sent to Indonesia, thank you
First again. Great work Steve
Price in the UK
£1550
Anodising is expensive and time consuming. I'd say that the paint finish is a cost cutting exercise, but there again Matthews and a few others have a paint finish on their bows
The sad thing is these bow companies are killing archery pro shops! BowTech is now selling through Lancaster. Won’t be long ALL bows will be available on the internet!
I wonder in this if you notice that the camps are different far as the spacer system and it's He's called the duo because it can shoot left our right handed
I wonder if some of the design choices for recent bow releases are due to either cost cutting or trying to limit potential supply chain issues. We've seen that anodising caused big delays on last years Hoyt bows. Personally I much prefer a anodised riser over painted. The only time I'd go for paint would be for a custom colour.
Tan has become popular.
Personally I think several design changes are due to cost cutting. The hoyts for instance have removed the tri-lock limb pocket....I see no reason to do that aside from the machining cost.
But how does it shoot? Is it worth getting the new model vs used older model?
Why I am having fealing Steven will like more his Citation 36 SE. :)
I agree I liked that bow alot, straight out. Liked the limb profiles, the finish and the locking limb pocket.
John Dudley?
Steve, don't ever worry about being honest. Good experience, bad experience. You can only relate your time, your experience, the good, the bad, the ugly, yada yada. The next guy might say he was in heaven with the product or he might say his experience was as appealing as having hemorrhoids cut out! We will never know. Hey! You keep it real.
Always honest Steve, well done.
I'm glad to hear your staff is paid well aswell.
I will say if I paid 2k+ for a bow and the shop I bought it from shied away from swapping right to left hand for me, I would not be impressed in the slightest. You're a pro shop, I realize it's a risk you might damage something...but if you don't do it, as a customer I'd probably never comeback. Just saying
With that said I'm looking forward to a review, I have my doubts on the speed claims, and how a bow can be 20 fps faster than others with the same specs.
This assumption that every bow shop is a "pro shop" is misguided
Could you imagine taking off the cable guard and seeing paint damage. Better to order a LH bow and have it made in my view.
A lot of things can impact speed, including things that aren't mentioned in the specs.
Eg, angle of the limbs, pre-load, "2nd cam" profiles, string length etc.
@@otheropinionssuck That seems to be your assumption as I never said that.
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Yes, but all those factors combined while still being 7"+ brace @ 40" Ata ?
It's not a simple assignment and if it meets advertised speeds and doesn't tear your shoulder apart I will be impressed.
Why is there so much emphasis on the compound bows these days?
how do you swap the cams righty to lefty? aren't they asymmetrical?
Top swaps to bottom like the limbs swap left to right.
Shops in the US generally don't stock target bows. It almost sounds like the setup of a joke... "A guy walks into an archery shop and asks, what target bows you got?"
Yes I did not see any target bows or target recurves in all the stores I went to in the USA. I went to over 80 stores. However if I had a store in the USA I would stock everything. It is a point of difference. All my staff were compound shooters and now they are all shooting recurve for the challenge. Boys love toys.
Yeah very rare to see a target bow at a us pro shop
@@stevenhann-onkaparinga5764 I'm not from the US but was told that basically for target, Lancaster Archery is the only game in town. But they only have one outlet, in a huge country. Must be an opportunity for someone?
Hi Tech Archery in Fullerton California has from hunting bows to target bows always in stock. I was having new strings put on today and looked at 5 different types of compound target bows. I just started in archery 1 month ago and got a PSE Stinger attack to see if I like it or not. I only want to do target shooting, so in 3 months I will get one of the PSE target compound bows. They have a website, so if you get bored, check it out
@@davidtucker1325 that's the exception. I've been there, actually bought a bow there during Vegas when mine broke. Drove there the night before competition started.
Good thoughts there around stocking levels and the number of options. I agree, if buying the top of the line target bow I as a consumer would certainly want to try the different cam options so stock overheads would be prohibitive.
I read a PSE group on facebook that the lead time was around 12 weeks.
Curious as to why PSE dropped the Citation so quickly.
Haven't seen anything yet that would make me change from my Perform X 3D for outdoor and my Supra Focus for indoor. Main bow manufacturer's appear to changing their major bows annually now. What a pain in the .....
The Perform is a solid bow, the Supra is a good bow. Very interesting they changed the limb design. Interesting that they dropped the limb locking.
When are you or are you going to review the PSE Omen
I have slowed buying PSE. I still buy PSE but I am careful in stocking them. I have not shot the Omen yet. I have been in shock with PSE not knowing what to do. I have increased Bowtech, Elite and Bear stock levels. It is very hard to stock a bow when they is no margin. So part of it is waiting to see what happens with sales.
I like the idea of the cam shim idea. Maybe it is better than the old LAS system of which I still use and like? I feel it might have issues and it bothers me. I really don't like the graphics on the limbs. I really don't like the flat painted finish on the riser. If I was to order one it be custom to get an anodized finish hopefully. I think you are right about the cable guard being a nice improvement. Converting it to opposite handed bow seems like a royal pita. I think I could like a 35 with SE cams, but it gains me almost nothing over my Shootdown in my opinion. That is based on advertised speed. Of which is one reason why I liked the Shootdown. I'd probably gravitate to the 38in M2 just for the Speed, but have no idea how an M2 cam will feel. I bought the E2 Levitate on a whim without any personal experience with one. It is okay, but not my favorite ever. I'm not going to do that with a target bow.
I absolutely love my Shootdown and thought if I was to try a shoot through riser it might be the Perform X simply because of the LAS system for the ease to tune. And I like graphics/finish better.
It’s a sanleader without the stupidity tax
Several mounths later pse release shootdown...with 4 cams...🎉
I bet that’s $2300 + very easily there. Serious shooters will buy them anyway. I like Elite and they aren’t cheap at all.
The Elite and the PSE should be the same price.
You forgot about beautiful Xpression.
The Xpression feels like a blip in the middle. the Natural progression was from Dominator to Perform to Citation. The Xpression what happened there. Saying that I still have mine and won the Nationals with it so that bow stays.
Anodizing in the US is always falling behind, causing bow delays.
EVO NXT 35 a proven product. BTW do they still sell those shirts your wearing?
No. I tend to buy them in bulk when they have a line. PSE have a few new ones. But I like the feel of this shirt.
Great honest sensible review, Steven ! "After years of research" eh PSE ? Really ? 🙄Still requiring a press to shim with those new clip things ? The ambidextrous feature has been done before, & handy for retailers I assume, but all the other cam selection decisions will override that benefit. Of course top archers & PSE pros will shoot with it & win, as with other bows, but from an archer bow buyer's perspective, there are other lovely bows out there to consider.
I don't know what it is about the shoot thru riser design, but I am just NOT a fan. Even though I might be missing out, I will never own one.
I'll stick with my RX 1
Average Bow Shop Tech gets $17 an hour.
Wouldn't own one if ya paid me LOL shoot Mathew's much quieter & smoother shooting Mathews V3 31 & loving it
if peope are looking at spending money like this on a bow, im sure they will be ok with paying $100 extra if you have it in stock in there color.
He seems completely underwhelmed
The bow itself does not look like anything special IMO. Too bad about PSE shafting you. Maybe you should replace PSE with Gearhead!
Gear head have years to go before they'll be mainstream in Australia. In fact I don't think they ever will be.
@Liam Boyle "...years to go..." why the unqualified statement?
@@robertlee8113 What would you like to know, happy to discuss🤔
@@liamboyle9199 You tell me - it was you who said that Gearhead "have years to go before they'll be mainstream in Australia"... Why is that exactly? 🤭
This bow looks cheap and rather ugly. I'd rather own a Lazer.
The adjustable cable guard is dumb. I have it on my invicta, and from literally every pro shooter I've talked to, they tell me that the only worthwhile positiom is all the way out.
It's weird they sent you the 40". The 38 M2 is the fastest one at a ridiculous 349fps IBO. (Might be ATA, not sure)
7 bucks an hour. Lol. Had to check what year this video was made then I remembered youtube wasn't a thing in 95
Federal minimum wage is still like 7.25 an hour
When I was in the US last I asked what you get paid to work Sunday in a Supermaket. I think it was $7 In Australia it was double time. But it is very different cars are alot more expensive here - Tax was a lot higher here. I think Big Mac here is $15 for a meal deal. Not sure what it is in the US.
They're expensive in the UK: £150 less than a Stratos, but the fit and finish on the Hoyt is far superior. The Dominator Duo looks a nice enough bow, but there is nothing to wow you. No 1/4" adjustments, no adjustable grip, the shims are nice but hardly mind blowing. On top of this, the bow is a bit 'meh' to look at with very basic powder coat finishes. Well done PSE for getting rid of the junk cable guard assembly (which should never have been allowed on the RTX), but if you want to be the second most expensive bow brand in the UK after Hoyt, you need to do better. My guess is that the huge number of top PSE pros that they signed in the last two years has forced PSE to dramatically increase retail prices of their bows. Such a shame. The Supra series were good value and the RTX is if you can find a good price. Otherwise, at least in the UK, they're considerably more expensive than Mathews and Mybo, more than Elite etc. I just see no good reason to pay that kind of money for a PSE when they are not as nicely put together as the other brands and offer fewer features.
Painted finish + bridged riser = 🤮
I am in the market for a new compound bow right now. But this one? Looks like a "cutting-corners-masterpiece": just one riser to produce, paintjob instead of anodizing. I hate these silver screw holes with visible bare metal in it. And the white limbs remind me of 80€/$ish cheap beginner bows, ugly af. This bow is close to 2k € in Germany, but not worth the money in my opinion. Fit & finish isn't up to the price.
How is he selling the PSE bows for so cheap does he just have cash reserves and he’s using them to muscle you out of the PSE market? It seems pretty hard for him to do the math wrong unless he’s making a deal with someone either on the shipping or from PSE themselves.
Alternatively he’s very bad at business and won’t be competing for long lol
I guess he will be out of business very soon. He has no bows currently in stock. But many shops have gone out of business for the same reason. There was a store in the Gold Coast selling Archery bags very cheap. I thought how is he doing it, freight is more than that. He lasted 6 months.
Shame that the limb idea of the very expensive Citation is not made anymore.....why?????? It was a bad limb and system? They change fast the bow also....... 3 cams, 3 sizes, bad colors and complete change of limbs after 1,5 or 2 years shock me. No i tegration for arrow rest????? Succes Steve with PSE. I prefer to pay more for a Hoyt with stable price then this PSE adventure i also was in. And Hoyt willl have a lot of commentar but it is a awesome bow. Why the top of the world shoot a Hoyt..... Not only because of sponsoring but the cams are awesome and simple and optimized for draw length. Good luck Steve with PSE but the strory is bad for you.
Ohhhh Nooo, finally it has happened. Little guy sells big brand below cost and puts big dealer out of the game. Sorry but I watch these vids because I used to get a good honest review. Guess it is all turning into politics now. It is a pity as I used to love your reviews but to be honest I just wasted my time watching this vid. The reason I am saying this is because I guess you would not be the first Busines to be targeted this way and if you hung on for a couple of months and really promoted the PSE you would have put said dealer out of business due to the amount of bows he would have had to fund. I do not own PSE nor elite not Hoyt. I am just sad a great resource for archery equipment now feels a little tainted due to good or bad business practices. Hope this channel gets back on track soon so we can once again enjoy great content covering archery equipment 💪💪💪 my worthless 2cents.
You do realise that Archery Supplies is also a distributor, so little guy would also put all the other little guys out of business that got their PSE bows through Archery Supplies right?
No I did not know and no I do not watch this channel to know these things and frankly I did not want to know. I watched this channel to get a honest review of archery equipment. I rest my case and really do not want to argue with anyone but let’s get back to reviewing equipment. Thanks for informing me but still does not change my view on the bow.
@@mariusventer6146 he’s talked about the archery business since this channel started dude. Clearly you haven’t watched much of his stuff,
It’s not politics btw, it’s business. Your assumption that the other business is small because he keeps low stock shows you know very little about business. He may only sell to order and keep 5 “show bows”.
He may have huge cash reserves he’s leaning on to push competitors out of selling PSE. In fact there maybe something there that archery supplies is stocking too much.
Steven is expressing that he bought a lot of PSE stock upfront and their loyalty to him as a distributor and vendor is nonexistent letting someone else come in and sell for below cost.
He’s probably bought millions of dollars of PSE and this guy who buys 5 likely for show bows then sells to order undercuts him and PSE just shrugs their shoulders.
In one case PSE get paid faster and the customer gets to take their bow home that day, it’s a better experience for both sides of Stevens business but PSE didn’t value that,
It maybe they don’t care much for the Aussie market period, I don’t know. But to dismiss it as “politics” is kinda silly not to mention definitionally incorrect.
Comment of the year Marius...
For me it hurts my smaller dealers as they mainly sell PSE or only stock PSE and all of a sudden their line is done. When I first got PSE Pete demanded an order of 200,000 up front. That way your all in. You stock the bows you promote the products - you build a dealer network. When I loose a small dealer in the country, I loose archery in that spot. In Canberra I sold 5 million a year. Now Canberra has no store. Archery is not as big there now. Unless you can make Archery a viable business you will not create stores and build archery.
When I went through my Divorce I offered my business to her - I was more than happy to go back to the public service. Think about it I have a 5 million dollar a year turn over and Im happy to walk away from it and go back to the public service.
Because one guy can't do basic Maths and is going broke and he will be broke. He is sending many shops out at the same time and killing a brand. When I started with PSE I had not seen a PSE bow in years. PSE in Australia was so small a hand full of bows a year. So it is heart breaking for me to see my dealers close their doors. Peter in Wagga had a great business for 20 years, now he is brick laying. my 2 cents.
This is the ugliest bow ever
You haven't seen the stratos then😂