Yes most definately his legal team has failed zuma. The legal team is in business and there for the money. Dali is only fit for a parking ticket fine case.
What an elderly man can see sitting down, a young man can not see standing up, thank you Ndabezitha for your voice of reason. The Zulu Nation Capture is on the line.
I love Mangosuthu but on this one he is not right.People supporting Zuma at Nkandla have nothing to do with the Zulu nation or the Zulu Kingdom.Buthelezi is caught up in the white monopoly capital too, they all got shares and incidentally he can’t go against their wishes to crucify Zuma.That error is over where the apartheid system hanged and killed our people and so tell such stories in order to normalize the ongoing assault on Zuma is simply brainwashing of the Zulu people.Buthelezi is telling the stories that we experienced of lynching of black people and he thinks Zuma and his supporters must allow the same policies to happen today under a black run government.Bullshit.. that error is over.Thd Ramaphosa government is joerpadizing lives by not providing vaccines with increased Covid levels,high rate of youth unemployment,high levels of unemployment fir adult hopelessness and poverty.Poverty kills more unaccounted people because no one cares.Buthelezi knows why he is talking this way.Zuma deserves to be heard not just a heavy handed ConCourt if no one is above the law.
@@mabuyijobe1864 I agree with you we are a different generation and wont take the whites capitalist bullshit we rather go back to arms and let the caucasoits feel the same pain they took us through after they came with violence now they want to teach us peace ful ways that's nonsense
I fully agree with that. It should also include Marikana murders, root causes of problems in companies that defraud peoples pensions like Steinhof and campaign fundings that are not lawful or create conflict of interest among other big things that slide down the barrel without attendance. Everything and everyone must account.
Truly no one is above the law but the problem is that law does not guarantee justice!! If you are shot sighted you can be happy for now and it's temporary history has proven many times that we do not learn from history your happiness today tomorrow can be your sorrow. When you see legislations passed by the government without your consent you must be worried because the very same laws will be used against you.
This country is actually a joke seriously he was saying he is not scared of going to jail therefore no one can scare him off jail,but now he doesn't want to go to jail
Andile, it's absurd that we should be entertaining this! If it was you or I, we would have already been arrested and serving time. Each time we give this guy space, he takes advantage.
@@mvubu6823 I'll be frank sir, there are more wars going on now than most see Zuma is just another factor in our revolution a stepping stone for us to voice our concerns if we want to revolt or forever become slaves of those who subject us to laws they don't follow
I'm South African, We are like any other country ; When the New Generation come into power in 10 years time then South Africa will be a 1st world country because we have resources and the Best weather . I love my country ...
@@cooldavinci6358 You are not making sense. Talking about the issue willn't land Zuma in jail but failing to appear in court has landed him in jail. Mandela would never have asked innocent unarmed South Africans to risk their lives to protect him for going to jail. He would have surrendered himself to spare their lives.
If only the Prince culd get through Zuma - before young ppl lose their lives with whts been implied over the wkend - as South Africans do we save our future generation from Covid or bloodshed ???
Buthelezi,Shenge that's the truth Zuma is suffering from his ill informed sturbboness. He is abusing the courage of the Zulu nation, using it to fight his personal battles while the Guptas his fellow friends and looters are out there in Dubai. Exposing innocent people to covid infections. Shame on Zuma
Shange is correct Zuma should have known better that ignoring courts results in you being behind bars but "no" he felt bigger than that. "I am not afraid to go to prison ...the next thing ...no I am old and with medical conditions" what's wrong with this crook ? Now he is a victim?? He is afraid to go to jail just but acting brave and his shivering is in the open now for all to see, since he is begging the same court for leniency after trying to be this untouchable super citizen
I like when you say those people are challenging the state which simple means they are challenging the whole south Africa What is happening there is wrong those people must wake up Msholozk is just using them Ace now is also using this Nkandla thing as a scape goat
The lack of respect that some young people especially born-frees has for this elders is shocking! You know nothing of this man it seems.He is an old warrior this one,you must respect him!
The Kings named by Shenge all were during the time of apartheid where black people had no rights. It’s precisely why we are here, we are fighting for the rights of all of us
Shenge siyazi ukuthi this is personal for you because it was Zuma who won the hearts and minds of Kwazulu people to the demise of your party iNkata. If Msholozi did not intervene in the early 90s Kwazulu will have been a one party province where you will be in charge without anyone challenging you. The question is are you the solution in Zulu monarch crisis at this moment.
@@nyanisonzama2999 if he had supporters he would have won ramaphosa in nasrec 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he is a loser fighting to stay out of jail I still remember his face when ramaphosa won 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dineomolapo9934 he's comrades sold him out but the real people on the ground never stopped supporting n loving and this past week has been the evidence to that
If Zuma goes to jail he will die and the war would not be avoided. The the jugies must just go back to thire masters and tell them the the society is refusing for Zuma to be abused this way🙏
Well articulated Mntwana kaPhindangene - Prince truth shall set you free. We seeing this uprising for the first time in South African history - I guess it is a borrowed culture from Dubai perhaps...
im sympathising with zuma. im a zimbabwean in zimbabwe. arresting zuma affects african politics. why dont wholey suspend his term . forgive him please. we did not arrest mugabe for the crimes he committed.
Please do not lecture us about the colonialist who came to destabilize our Country.. so you want our people to succumb to the injustices that were caused by colonialism judiciary .sentences sentences to our people how can you say such with pride Buthelezi. people are challenging the system that you inherited from colonialism through negotiations from a table on a piece of paper .You still want to protect it.
It was better if we have chosen Chief Buthelezi than Zuma even though he was IFP leader.That is why we say change the constitution so that we choose a president directly!We would avoid this thing of having people like Zuma and Magashule as leaders!
@@ndujamz I know but Mangosutu Buthelezi is clever than Zuma.I don't even understand how the ANC chose Zuma to be president while there are so many educated people in the ANC?Is it because he can sing and dance?That is where now I understand that people can be bought in ANC branches.Let us change the constitution so that all the people decide who is president.So long we have this party system of choosing the president for the majority of people we will still have a problem with the next presidents who will not listen to the people!
Because your history proves that the Zulu nation of then were cowards doesnt mean they should remain like that. Apartheid reigned for so long because of the lack of action, it was only after the uprising that change came to be.
We should not leave out the fact that Zuma has his side of the story but for some reason I don't understand why, NO ONE IS LISTENING TO WHAT HE IS SAYING. Instead we pass judgement. Not saying anything being done is what I condone but he has the right to be heard and for both sides of the coin to be tried. Would you Mr Shenge go to a hearing where the judge is someone not applying the law in a just and fair manner? Is it REALLY difficult for the state to provide an environment where ANYONE sitting trial to feel safe that it will be fair and just. Would anyone sit trial if a verdict is already out and feel like the trial will serve any purpose?
I find this a travesty that an Elder of our country chooses to use the historical analogy of the sacrifices by the Zulu forefathers did. One wants to believe that history teaches us based on mistakes made. Sadly that the forefathers sacrificed themselves with death. The so called government of the time crucified them! Was it justified of the colonizers to kill them? Have we not learnt anything from that. In our modern day civilization have we not learnt not to subject each other to torture and psychological trauma be allowed? Mr. Zuma appealed to the judgement due to his age and health. Can we as a civilized nation appeal that the lesson seek a lesser judgement like house arrest? I understand that the people gathered at Nkandla are coming from various parts of the country, so can we be right in saying its a Zulu tribal dissent? What I also know is that most the Nguni tribes evolved from the Zulu nation. So where do we differ then? Are seeing the real enemy?
its obvious that there was injustice cause all those people who were sentenced were indigenous people and non of those who came to our continent and established that what we call justice system of the courts were condemned and being sentenced yet countless injustice was done to our people, so we cannot compare that time with now, neither allow injustice to prevail again. so we cant encourage people to subject themselves to those same condition as the past to injustice for the sake of peace. in my opinion looking at those examples is all wrong, we now live in democratic country where everybody entitled to exercize his rights when he feels he has been ill treated.
I think that's what the elder wants us to see but wouldn't say that we have to read between the lines. Mere fact that it's his opening statement speaks volumes. If he compares what's happening to zuma as the industry the past then injustice is whats happening to zuma now. He can't just swallow the pill
Perhaps if they'd revolted you'd never tolerate TRC and things would be different. You can't have murderers roaming around freely and turn against a freedom fighter, who btw, no doubt is rotten at the core. Listen to the people.
What I can't understand is that one court has to apply to another court for contempt of court. What I mean is that the Commission is not a court. And if there were no rules like that clearly states the jail time or fine to be paid if you do not appear in the Commission, then these could have been added and the people to appear could have been informed. So in the absence of clear rules and sentences and fines relating to contempt, it does come as a shock for both the person who was sentenced and others.
Sadly, this is a man of dignity we did not have as President of South Africa. He's been around and always conducted himself with humility and servant leadership beyond his contemporaries.
Zuma is not a King so I don't understand when Prince makes examples of the regiment to Zuma and this is a new era democratic era. They handed themselves because where would have been captured by force anyway
Yeyi aka rest usihlalo we anc wakudala ukhokheliwe noma eyi akarest phuma lapho kwakuyikudala lapho singakwazi ukulwa nathi kolindelan korichmond farm kwamashu ko j ko k ayi bo akarest manje udayisa ngathi manje udr buthelezi akarest
Where was him when mandela and the rest went to prison? No black South African who was fighting apartheid didn't go to prison but him he was give the position to lead the Zulu government which was not through democracy but as a reward from whites to him for not fighting. He has no track record of fighting for anything accept talking.
don't say the "Zulus" because its not all members of the Zulu nation who support Zuma. He is a thug who is dragging the Zulu name in the mud! Shenge here as one of head of our nation is pointing out that not all Zulus are law breakers and foolish. Zuma must sleep in the bed he has made for himself!!! please correct that!
how can you Mkhulu as a politician say we are making a spectacle of ourselves when all we did was to make our political statements since we do not have civil sociaties to push our voices or media to listen to us.... we did not have guns back than
Police in KZN, well done, no one die, injured, it's in the hands of courts. Those are unemployed people, those ones people who bites from Zuma, those one are people benefitted from Zuma. 6,000 people are manority. Let the court conclude, he was guilty Mr Zuma. He deserves to get a sentence
Comparing a non democratic society and democratic one does not make any sense. The cowardice of kings followers is not our fault, we are uprising against the system
How many people are sitting in jail currently awaiting trial? So that means according to former president Zuma that he was sentenced without a trial. I honestly don't understand how people on suspecting to be criminal is in jail but the people that are suspected to rob the country blind is still walking around like they the people owe them something. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Mangosuthu Buthelezi was fighting with people of this country working together with National Party , different is that Zuma fought for people of this country and arrested
Yes that's true... Why he was never arrested... Longtime he was chasing zuma...used by boers..... He must tell the nation the truth... Why he killed black people
We have clowns as leaders. The meaning of leaders do not represent this type of behaviour. We want to look up at leaders, not duck our heads underneath a pillow.
Buthelezi knows what he is talking about. He caused the loss of ten-thousands of lives when his Inkatha hoodlums, supported by the then apartheid security police would terrorise the townships around Johannesburg, Pietermaritzburg and Durban in the early 1990s.
Go back and reread the history of our beloved country,the old man you are accusing of those killings are recorded in history. I m bugging you to check the facts before the sad comments.
@@nthomenibudzwa2282 I'm not "accusing" the "old man". All I do is mentioning the facts about what Buthelezi did 40 to 25 years ago, when he was still a younger man! Yes, the facts are clear and precise: Buthelezi and Inkatha allowed themselves to become tools in the hands of the oppressor. They attacked, harmed and even killed many of their fellow Nguni and Abantu South Africans. Read about "Operation Marion" how the Inkatha security were funded and trained by the Apartheid Regime to attack innocent civilians and cause chaos!
@@whawha9016 True. I'm from KZN, the IFP and UDF were on the bloodbath in KZN late 80's. He had his police force ZP which killed a lot of people. He was manipulated.
Zuma is such a selfish man. He is not even thinking abt the ppl that are supporting him. He knew what will happen whn he is not giving himself up. The country is on level 4, the supporters are ignoring all that. He is just enjoying seeing ppl rubbing themselves in the name of supporting him. Its a pity his followers are so blind to his selfishness
Zuma is selfish man indeed even his neighbors live in the shameful houses he didn't care about them. How can he care for covid 19 to killing them, he didn't saw any damage can cause by that crowd even himself was not wearing mask n he didn't take vaccine till today stubbornness
The Prince has said it all,the difference between Buthelezi and Zuma is that Buthelezi is educated and Zuma is illiterate. Zuma was suppose to act as a leader and not allow ppl to hold rallies outside his home during this pandemic
He is trying to be relevant. I was starting to like him; however, he should be reminded that he appointed himself to be a prime minister of the province.
When u confronted Mandela in America,about black on black violence from which he answered "we can not wash our dirty laundry in a foreign country" Years later here you are airing the dirty laundry of ur brother for the nation to see.You always seem to miss the bigger picture,beyond the law,there is a card at play that you do not know. You comment like someone who depends on media only. We have the accurate information.
His Lawyers did let him down by allowing him to adopt a confrontation stance against the Judiciary, their was always only one winner & that the Law! No one is above it.
The truth is 'no one is above the law'. Thank you for not taking sides in this matter Shange.
I have great respect for Dr Buthelezi (Ndunankulu).
What a voice of reason, the only great states man alive today. Awusikhuze Ndabezitha, I thank you my leader.
Thank you Dr Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi
What a dignified, truly patriotic gentleman he is.
that grandpa grandma crush love...lol
@@musakgoete6071 😂😂😂😂
White people whenever one of us sellout 🙄
I'm from KZN and a lot of people died under Mangosuthu Buthelezi between IFP and UDF. His police force ZP killed a lot of people.
Zuma live in Democratic country
"As one of the few remaining Elders in this country..."
Yoh, we are losing our class. This is why we are they way we are.
I have great respect for this stateman and compatriot. He's the voice of reason the country has and cherish
His a clever black! Grandpa Umtwana 🙌💪🤞Shalom 🙏
I agree with this old man Zuma's legal team failed
Yes most definately his legal team has failed zuma. The legal team is in business and there for the money. Dali is only fit for a parking ticket fine case.
Dismally, now he's facing jail alone
This man has so much wisdom and knowledge. He should have been president.
What an elderly man can see sitting down, a young man can not see standing up, thank you Ndabezitha for your voice of reason. The Zulu Nation Capture is on the line.
That's true
I love Mangosuthu but on this one he is not right.People supporting Zuma at Nkandla have nothing to do with the Zulu nation or the Zulu Kingdom.Buthelezi is caught up in the white monopoly capital too, they all got shares and incidentally he can’t go against their wishes to crucify Zuma.That error is over where the apartheid system hanged and killed our people and so tell such stories in order to normalize the ongoing assault on Zuma is simply brainwashing of the Zulu people.Buthelezi is telling the stories that we experienced of lynching of black people and he thinks Zuma and his supporters must allow the same policies to happen today under a black run government.Bullshit.. that error is over.Thd Ramaphosa government is joerpadizing lives by not providing vaccines with increased Covid levels,high rate of youth unemployment,high levels of unemployment fir adult hopelessness and poverty.Poverty kills more unaccounted people because no one cares.Buthelezi knows why he is talking this way.Zuma deserves to be heard not just a heavy handed ConCourt if no one is above the law.
A conspiracy theory in motion. That's what characterizes this hogwash
@@mabuyijobe1864 I agree with you we are a different generation and wont take the whites capitalist bullshit we rather go back to arms and let the caucasoits feel the same pain they took us through after they came with violence now they want to teach us peace ful ways that's nonsense
If you see people uprising and you alone remain then you may be wrong. Remember reasoning gets affected by age
All the respect Chief Buthelezi. Well spoken.
No one is above the law in a democracy.
I fully agree with that. It should also include Marikana murders, root causes of problems in companies that defraud peoples pensions like Steinhof and campaign fundings that are not lawful or create conflict of interest among other big things that slide down the barrel without attendance. Everything and everyone must account.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I feel sorry for u if u think that way
@@siyabongabuthelezi7689 On the contrary I feel sorry for you and all other gulliable pawns in this chess game.
Truly no one is above the law but the problem is that law does not guarantee justice!! If you are shot sighted you can be happy for now and it's temporary history has proven many times that we do not learn from history your happiness today tomorrow can be your sorrow. When you see legislations passed by the government without your consent you must be worried because the very same laws will be used against you.
To ignore crime from our leadership is the deepest of corruptions...
This country is actually a joke seriously he was saying he is not scared of going to jail therefore no one can scare him off jail,but now he doesn't want to go to jail
thula awazi lutho wena
Andile, it's absurd that we should be entertaining this!
If it was you or I, we would have already been arrested and serving time. Each time we give this guy space, he takes advantage.
Yazi wena kwerekwere thula nje uyasinyanyisa
@@marctison ungena pi ayikufuni mind your business
Zuma wants to destroy the zulu nation for his selfish interest.
Yaah, This is the Elderly Advise to the Young Generation. Thanks Shenge🙏!
Let's not confuse ZUMA with our great Kings. He's a delinquent and has no respect for his country, only himself.
ARE YOU OKAY
@@nhlakaniphohlelakazulu5763
Not really
I can't believe we have a bunch of hooligans trying to hold the nation hostage with their broken logic.
@@mvubu6823 I'll be frank sir, there are more wars going on now than most see Zuma is just another factor in our revolution a stepping stone for us to voice our concerns if we want to revolt or forever become slaves of those who subject us to laws they don't follow
Truth 🤞🤞
mfana wesingisi..delinquent...aw suka nini madoda
I'm South African, We are like any other country ; When the New Generation come into power in 10 years time then South Africa will be a 1st world country because we have resources and the Best weather . I love my country ...
Well done mr Burhelezi well spoken nely cele
Your taking point Mr buthelezi, you are a great leader 💕
Who else would want to be arrested if those who actually suppose to lead by example refuses to obey the court???
People are talking stupid talks about this issue just because they want Zuma incarcerated.
@@cooldavinci6358 You are not making sense. Talking about the issue willn't land Zuma in jail but failing to appear in court has landed him in jail. Mandela would never have asked innocent unarmed South Africans to risk their lives to protect him for going to jail. He would have surrendered himself to spare their lives.
@@michaelotieno6524 there would be no contempt if there was a recusal settlement !
What is the normal punishment for contempt of court In SA???
@@ceedeeupholstery4462 6 month
The old man has spoken great advice from him. He shows leadership skills.
Prince Buthelezi - the greatest President South Africa never had!
Google the word IFP in 1990's and Black on black war
Waze wayithetha inyani u utatu Buthelezi, ( He has spoken utter truth I respect you even more)
I salute Mr shenge u are true leader
If only the Prince culd get through Zuma - before young ppl lose their lives with whts been implied over the wkend - as South Africans do we save our future generation from Covid or bloodshed ???
What history in his lineage… wow. Lots to be learned from this elder
Free history lessons to the young. Big up Prince
Buthelezi,Shenge that's the truth Zuma is suffering from his ill informed sturbboness. He is abusing the courage of the Zulu nation, using it to fight his personal battles while the Guptas his fellow friends and looters are out there in Dubai. Exposing innocent people to covid infections. Shame on Zuma
Nkandla will prove the scamdemic to be a lie
I don’t remember Zuma asking anyone to come to Nkandla
Shame on you
Shange is correct Zuma should have known better that ignoring courts results in you being behind bars but "no" he felt bigger than that. "I am not afraid to go to prison ...the next thing ...no I am old and with medical conditions" what's wrong with this crook ? Now he is a victim?? He is afraid to go to jail just but acting brave and his shivering is in the open now for all to see, since he is begging the same court for leniency after trying to be this untouchable super citizen
Did he himself went to Truth and Reconciliation Commission because he refused and never arrested for for defying the call to go to testify
The legend has spoken.
I like when you say those people are challenging the state which simple means they are challenging the whole south Africa
What is happening there is wrong those people must wake up Msholozk is just using them
Ace now is also using this Nkandla thing as a scape goat
Not south Africa sir, nkandla
People they hate cos you speak your mind out ua such a brilliant
The lack of respect that some young people especially born-frees has for this elders is shocking! You know nothing of this man it seems.He is an old warrior this one,you must respect him!
Let Zuma account for his wrong doings
Can we get back to marikana.. Selective justice is never justice, persecution as a wanton tool is never an architecture for peace..
Zondo ..a just man, and is ready for a presidential position.. like our president !! Viva Zondo Viva .. ⚖✌🙏
@@kapoto1942 What about Marikana???
What's wrong does he committed Judges must respect all people of this country pple must not apply the law to fulfill they personal agenda
@@terrancehenriparkin5964 uyapupa not before UJUJU relax uyeke ukupapa
The Kings named by Shenge all were during the time of apartheid where black people had no rights. It’s precisely why we are here, we are fighting for the rights of all of us
@@civilgthevibe7343 Nje! i'm disappointed in him, he sounds very much colonised and accepted defeat!
@@shkhambule yah mfowethu I didn't listen the rest of it. Sengithe angithathe ithuba ngilalele kahle
Shenge, isizwe sohlukaniswa yini enithatha amacala kungafanele. Loku okwenzekile kuveza kona ukuhlangana kwesizwe. Ekugcineni izinkantolo izona ezizodala umonakalo. Wena ulwela isithunzi sakaZulu bona balwela amalungelo period
Thank you Prince Buthelezi I really respect what you doing our country is in need of elders with wisdom
What about The King and Queens funeral, Amabutho didn't wear masks..so what's new.
They were no threatening the state
@@loyiso5803 but the rule of gathering says mask 😷, This is corona did anyone cplain about 💁# double standard
Shengeeh, Ngqengelele.... what a man of integrity!
Sellout integrity
Shenge siyazi ukuthi this is personal for you because it was Zuma who won the hearts and minds of Kwazulu people to the demise of your party iNkata. If Msholozi did not intervene in the early 90s Kwazulu will have been a one party province where you will be in charge without anyone challenging you. The question is are you the solution in Zulu monarch crisis at this moment.
That’s misleading. IFP will likely win back KZN. Zuma did damage with the NFP to the IFP. But this is about the truth and nothing else.
He thinks we have forgotten.
Most leaders they just envy what Zuma has (people's love and unwavering support)
@@nyanisonzama2999 if he had supporters he would have won ramaphosa in nasrec 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he is a loser fighting to stay out of jail I still remember his face when ramaphosa won 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@dineomolapo9934 he's comrades sold him out but the real people on the ground never stopped supporting n loving and this past week has been the evidence to that
Your words are real proverbs and are true true indeed
Wise words from well renoun leader of our country, yes truth must be told so that those with ears must hear
This matter has already divided the country....sadly there are now people stuck between choosing a crook or a crook🤷🏾♂️
This is promotion of English laws on African soil, so it's ok for the current president to kill people at marikana and left alone, true DEMOCRACY
Why doesn't he mention that the people people rose Mandela demanding he be released
But they did not do the looting let alone burning the property, protest is allowed in our constitution but criminality isn’t
FW refused to appear, ay nonsense the day FW is arrested its the day we will keep quit. but for now nje angeke nimthinte
If Zuma goes to jail he will die and the war would not be avoided. The the jugies must just go back to thire masters and tell them the the society is refusing for Zuma to be abused this way🙏
Is there any crime you wouldn’t forgive from your master Zuma?
Not necessary to compare two different regimes because by that time they were still fighting for democracy now we are in the presence of it
Usemdala ubaba...sidinga undunankulu omusha,ngenkulu inhlonipho 🙏🏽
Well articulated Mntwana kaPhindangene - Prince truth shall set you free. We seeing this uprising for the first time in South African history - I guess it is a borrowed culture from Dubai perhaps...
im sympathising with zuma. im a zimbabwean in zimbabwe. arresting zuma affects african politics. why dont wholey suspend his term . forgive him please. we did not arrest mugabe for the crimes he committed.
U crazy this not Banana Republic
And where is zimbabwe 👎👎👎🇿🇼six feet under ground you have second chance make sure you arrest mnangwagwa 🤣🤣🤣
Siyathokoza Shenge usifundisa okuningi
Please do not lecture us about the colonialist who came to destabilize our Country.. so you want our people to succumb to the injustices that were caused by colonialism judiciary .sentences sentences to our people how can you say such with pride Buthelezi. people are
challenging the system that you inherited from colonialism through negotiations from a table on a piece of paper .You still want to protect it.
Protect it like he did in the apartheid
It was better if we have chosen Chief Buthelezi than Zuma even though he was IFP leader.That is why we say change the constitution so that we choose a president directly!We would avoid this thing of having people like Zuma and Magashule as leaders!
You don't know what you talking about, in KZN a lot of people died under Mangosuthu Buthelezi between IFP and UDF. We haven't forgotten.
@@ndujamz I know but Mangosutu Buthelezi is clever than Zuma.I don't even understand how the ANC chose Zuma to be president while there are so many educated people in the ANC?Is it because he can sing and dance?That is where now I understand that people can be bought in ANC branches.Let us change the constitution so that all the people decide who is president.So long we have this party system of choosing the president for the majority of people we will still have a problem with the next presidents who will not listen to the people!
👌well said. Your msge is on point n powerful sir.
@@josiahmanganyi5359 buthelezi sold out long before and was a third force took to incite black on black violence he s the one supposed to be jailed
@@gideonmosia Why did Mandela choose him in his cabinet?
Chief Buthelezi well said. Now it is politicised that is the difference.
Shenge is 200% politician in every approach
Because your history proves that the Zulu nation of then were cowards doesnt mean they should remain like that. Apartheid reigned for so long because of the lack of action, it was only after the uprising that change came to be.
WE ALSO NOT DARE KEEP SILENT WHILE CYRIL TAKES US FOR HIS BATHING TOWL
Urythi kodwa ngenqondo mkhulu
Yebo uryt ngoba ami futhi ngivumelana naye. URamaphosa usesiphuze inyongo kakhulu
We should not leave out the fact that Zuma has his side of the story but for some reason I don't understand why, NO ONE IS LISTENING TO WHAT HE IS SAYING. Instead we pass judgement. Not saying anything being done is what I condone but he has the right to be heard and for both sides of the coin to be tried. Would you Mr Shenge go to a hearing where the judge is someone not applying the law in a just and fair manner? Is it REALLY difficult for the state to provide an environment where ANYONE sitting trial to feel safe that it will be fair and just. Would anyone sit trial if a verdict is already out and feel like the trial will serve any purpose?
I find this a travesty that an Elder of our country chooses to use the historical analogy of the sacrifices by the Zulu forefathers did.
One wants to believe that history teaches us based on mistakes made. Sadly that the forefathers sacrificed themselves with death. The so called government of the time crucified them!
Was it justified of the colonizers to kill them?
Have we not learnt anything from that.
In our modern day civilization have we not learnt not to subject each other to torture and psychological trauma be allowed?
Mr. Zuma appealed to the judgement due to his age and health.
Can we as a civilized nation appeal that the lesson seek a lesser judgement like house arrest?
I understand that the people gathered at Nkandla are coming from various parts of the country, so can we be right in saying its a Zulu tribal dissent? What I also know is that most the Nguni tribes evolved from the Zulu nation.
So where do we differ then?
Are seeing the real enemy?
this elder will disappoint us till death this is wrong
its obvious that there was injustice cause all those people who were sentenced were indigenous people and non of those who came to our continent and established that what we call justice system of the courts were condemned and being sentenced yet countless injustice was done to our people, so we cannot compare that time with now, neither allow injustice to prevail again. so we cant encourage people to subject themselves to those same condition as the past to injustice for the sake of peace. in my opinion looking at those examples is all wrong, we now live in democratic country where everybody entitled to exercize his rights when he feels he has been ill treated.
I think that's what the elder wants us to see but wouldn't say that we have to read between the lines. Mere fact that it's his opening statement speaks volumes. If he compares what's happening to zuma as the industry the past then injustice is whats happening to zuma now. He can't just swallow the pill
Perhaps if they'd revolted you'd never tolerate TRC and things would be different. You can't have murderers roaming around freely and turn against a freedom fighter, who btw, no doubt is rotten at the core. Listen to the people.
Dont compare the time of apartheid with now what is Zuma done what have you done to all those people
Now that we living in a Democratic country we must disobey the law do as we please and get away with it?
We will always compare all the time nothing is wrong about that kulapo umonakala waqala kona my dear it's fact
Nivubela impi ngoba nenzela ukpost kma social media anikwazi kwakuth impi iliwa kanjan Shenge is right
What I can't understand is that one court has to apply to another court for contempt of court.
What I mean is that the Commission is not a court.
And if there were no rules like that clearly states the jail time or fine to be paid if you do not appear in the Commission, then these could have been added and the people to appear could have been informed.
So in the absence of clear rules and sentences and fines relating to contempt, it does come as a shock for both the person who was sentenced and others.
siyabonga baba , engathinesizwe samaZulu singalale....singaphumi siyofela umuntu oyedwa nje...ZULU lalela, ubeke phansi izikhali....
Zulu killed many xhosas in jhb.. Used by this gatsha guy..... Sellout working with Afrikaaners
UXOLO MNTWANA UMBUZO UTHI SIYOTHULA KUZE KUBE NINI ONDLEBE BEDLALA NGATHI, KANTI KUHLE YINI UKUTHI SIBE ISIZWE ESINGAZISUKUMELI
Mageba uzuma ulitholile ithuba wadlala ngalo. Kanti futhi akusibo abelungu ababopha uZuma. Baninngi abantu bakithi balwahlwa umthetho kodwa akukho muntu olwayo njengoba kwenzeka eNkandla. UZuma uyabazi ubufakazi obumbhekile yingakho engafuni ukuya uZondo. ukhumbule futhi nguye owabeka uZondo lapho akhona.
@@sandilendlovu9372 ithuba lani lokulalewa ukuthi usho ukuthini uma ethi uZondo uchemile? icala lakhe bekumele lisuke kwi commission liye kwi Concourt vele. Bukani, nilalele kahle wonke amacala ningadlali abantu bezindaba abakhuluma ngendlela ethatndwa abaqashi babo. Ukuzitshwa kwe appeal kaZuma ngoZondo ikona okusifikise lana! Awukwazi ukuphoqa umuntu ukuthi akaye la esefake khona iskhalazo ngaphandle kokubuka isikhalazo!
@@sandilendlovu9372 Gatsheni ngibona sengathi lophendule ngezansi ukubeke Obama ukuthi lento inkulu kunaloku esikubukayo senguvala nje, ngithi abelungu ngoba loku okwehlela uZuma kwamehlela no Gadaffi no Malcom X kanye nabanye abazama ukulwelwa abahlempu....akamsulwa yena kodwa waba nawo unembeza wamela iqiniso
Zuma is not like yourself Sir,he is an expresident&a commoner not a monarch
Iong live old man
I am not against the old elephant's view but i have only one question to him, are you innocent to our Nation?
The best question to be asked
Rest Shenge rest.
Zuma and duduzane must go to jail. They have sold the future of black child for a song to enrich the Guptas and themselves. Jail these criminals
Sadly, this is a man of dignity we did not have as President of South Africa.
He's been around and always conducted himself with humility and servant leadership beyond his contemporaries.
he sold us...the man responsible for the black to black violence
@@a.mnqobigumede7182 explain brother...
Zuma is not a King so I don't understand when Prince makes examples of the regiment to Zuma and this is a new era democratic era. They handed themselves because where would have been captured by force anyway
Rest madala
Yeyi aka rest usihlalo we anc wakudala ukhokheliwe noma eyi akarest phuma lapho kwakuyikudala lapho singakwazi ukulwa nathi kolindelan korichmond farm kwamashu ko j ko k ayi bo akarest manje udayisa ngathi manje udr buthelezi akarest
Where was him when mandela and the rest went to prison? No black South African who was fighting apartheid didn't go to prison but him he was give the position to lead the Zulu government which was not through democracy but as a reward from whites to him for not fighting. He has no track record of fighting for anything accept talking.
The zulus also need to accept the democracy cause this is way bigger than Zuma,the state needs to be respected doesn't matter who the person is
don't say the "Zulus" because its not all members of the Zulu nation who support Zuma. He is a thug who is dragging the Zulu name in the mud! Shenge here as one of head of our nation is pointing out that not all Zulus are law breakers and foolish. Zuma must sleep in the bed he has made for himself!!! please correct that!
@@sandilendlovu9372 ukhuluma into ongayazi wena sihlama
@@musigratitude3124 Khuluma oyaziyo ke wena? Izinkantolo azisebenzi ngothando nenzondo kubhekwa ubufakazi. Okuhle ukuthi UZuma ulitholile ithuba yena wakhothwa ukungayi ukuyobeka uhlangothi lakhe. Wena ngisho ungakhala uziginqe angeke ushintshe umthetho wezwe! 😂😂😂😂
Captured democracy and judicial system that protect some and punishes some
@@sandilendlovu9372 iziphi lezo nkantolo lezi ekwazi ukugweba umntu 10yrz engenze lutho lezi ezisetshenziswayo ukuntshontsha umhlaba wamakhosi
Tihank you Mr shenge
how can you Mkhulu as a politician say we are making a spectacle of ourselves when all we did was to make our political statements since we do not have civil sociaties to push our voices or media to listen to us.... we did not have guns back than
Ndabezitha sicel ufake boarder we dont want to see Ramaphosa in Kzn we want to be independent
lolz , the rest of the world is laughing at us.
I of course mean Dr Buthelezi.
Police in KZN, well done, no one die, injured, it's in the hands of courts. Those are unemployed people, those ones people who bites from Zuma, those one are people benefitted from Zuma. 6,000 people are manority. Let the court conclude, he was guilty Mr Zuma. He deserves to get a sentence
Comparing a non democratic society and democratic one does not make any sense. The cowardice of kings followers is not our fault, we are uprising against the system
you are right sir zuma want to separating our ANC SO he must leard by example. he corapted our contry ..crime is crime
How many people are sitting in jail currently awaiting trial? So that means according to former president Zuma that he was sentenced without a trial. I honestly don't understand how people on suspecting to be criminal is in jail but the people that are suspected to rob the country blind is still walking around like they the people owe them something. Please correct me if I am wrong.
atleast he spoke about unity, the more he get old the more he preach truth.
“Kwadakwa nidunuse”👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mangosuthu Buthelezi was fighting with people of this country working together with National Party , different is that Zuma fought for people of this country and arrested
Ucabanga ukuthi seskhohliwe
Yes that's true... Why he was never arrested... Longtime he was chasing zuma...used by boers..... He must tell the nation the truth... Why he killed black people
That's utterly ridiculous
Does he sympathize with other criminals families too? I doubt it.
I doubt you watched this press conference, if u did it’s safe to say you a ignorant
U clearly miss the POINT.
Stupid and ignorant
Sometimes if we got nothing to say is better to just shut da f***
State your opinion free Demi, its a free country. Insulting u is not clever of them either.
Look who's talking.
We have clowns as leaders. The meaning of leaders do not represent this type of behaviour. We want to look up at leaders, not duck our heads underneath a pillow.
Injustice against Zuma
Buthelezi knows what he is talking about. He caused the loss of ten-thousands of lives when his Inkatha hoodlums, supported by the then apartheid security police would terrorise the townships around Johannesburg, Pietermaritzburg and Durban in the early 1990s.
Go back and reread the history of our beloved country,the old man you are accusing of those killings are recorded in history. I m bugging you to check the facts before the sad comments.
@@nthomenibudzwa2282 I'm not "accusing" the "old man". All I do is mentioning the facts about what Buthelezi did 40 to 25 years ago, when he was still a younger man!
Yes, the facts are clear and precise: Buthelezi and Inkatha allowed themselves to become tools in the hands of the oppressor. They attacked, harmed and even killed many of their fellow Nguni and Abantu South Africans. Read about "Operation Marion" how the Inkatha security were funded and trained by the Apartheid Regime to attack innocent civilians and cause chaos!
@@whawha9016 True. I'm from KZN, the IFP and UDF were on the bloodbath in KZN late 80's. He had his police force ZP which killed a lot of people. He was manipulated.
@@ndujamz ubhala owatshelwa thats your problem ....lobaba lokhu ahlahla eqinisweni ai ekuphekeni ivoti ngamanga
You're telling the truth.
Zuma is such a selfish man. He is not even thinking abt the ppl that are supporting him. He knew what will happen whn he is not giving himself up. The country is on level 4, the supporters are ignoring all that. He is just enjoying seeing ppl rubbing themselves in the name of supporting him. Its a pity his followers are so blind to his selfishness
Zuma is selfish man indeed even his neighbors live in the shameful houses he didn't care about them. How can he care for covid 19 to killing them, he didn't saw any damage can cause by that crowd even himself was not wearing mask n he didn't take vaccine till today stubbornness
@@rebeccangoepe531 mnj uzuma enze njan ngezindlu zabo? Naye uZuma unomnden wakhe amele awunakekele hau ningathwesi uzuma insizi zabantu
The Prince has said it all,the difference between Buthelezi and Zuma is that Buthelezi is educated and Zuma is illiterate. Zuma was suppose to act as a leader and not allow ppl to hold rallies outside his home during this pandemic
You are right,education goes a long way.For Zuma it's all about showing how powerful he is and he doesn't think about the consequences of his action s
Buthelezi should just keep quiet. He was an apartheid collaborator, never fought for anything but fought against everything the blacks stood for.
Shenge 🙏🙏
HANDS OFF HONOURABLE PRESIDENT ZUMA!!! WE ARE ZUMA AND ZUMA IS US!!! #RAMAPHOSA AND HIS MASTERS MUST FALL!!! ZUMA MUST RISE AGAIN!!!
1 bullet 1 settler - Julius Sello Malema
Mntwana kaPhindangene! 👌🎯
Aw kodwa mkhulu ubuseza kahle, usuyaylahla manje
He is trying to be relevant. I was starting to like him; however, he should be reminded that he appointed himself to be a prime minister of the province.
@@siyangahl
Hawu bothula ngakhulumi into ongayazi He was appointed by the father of the late King
@@nomvulagumede7218 nawe ubothula uyeke ukuphapha wazisholo yena! ngeke sizwe ngaye futh nase zindlebeni akasezwa angithembi namehlo asabona akukho engingakuzwa ngaye iSilo asikhe undunankulu wangedela hhayi abazibekayo
@@siyangahl
Wemnumzane yawazi umlando wakithi noma udlala ukuba ithatha wabekwa uMza wakhe wayeysilo angaz uphikani ngoba you are ignorant
@@nomvulagumede7218 kulungile Sisi, kodwa okwanje akaphume useyanhlanhlatha sesidinga ozokwaz ukuphawula ngokweqiniso hhayo ukuzincengela kwabebala.
When u confronted Mandela in America,about black on black violence from which he answered "we can not wash our dirty laundry in a foreign country" Years later here you are airing the dirty laundry of ur brother for the nation to see.You always seem to miss the bigger picture,beyond the law,there is a card at play that you do not know. You comment like someone who depends on media only. We have the accurate information.
His Lawyers did let him down by allowing him to adopt a confrontation stance against the Judiciary, their was always only one winner & that the Law! No one is above it.
rule of law only when blacks are involved. where was the rule of law last year in 2020 when Johan steyn ran over a pedestrian?