Should You Buy Ola Or Ather - Best EV Scooter In India
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1 week ago I bought Ola s1 air … now I wish I had athur
Being an early user of both Ola Electric and Ather Energy. I can vouch for what Tarun said.
Well and truly said that Ola has a great marketing strategy of putting them out there but Ather's product quality is far superior.
Atleast for me, I do not require a music system in a scooter? Dont know what the logic is.
Seperately, had a really bad experience with Ola and had to switch to my second ather. Happy with the experience so far with Ather.
Speaker and mic is required for on ride calls, and you have no idea how much it's helping
Same
I enjoy my music at my Ola. Love playing it all the time.
Hey! Ather PR, what's the harm in having a music system, it's a WELCOME add on.
Scooter is not for Fun rides , it is made for Rough and Tough Conditions and to add one more line EV Scooters needs To Lower their Prices by removing this stupid features like Music , Touch Screens and Fast Computers with Internet. @@ayushmishra5861
Ola is really far ahead in terms of the value it provides at that cost. However the service isnt good, unsure about ather service.
Ola has
-more range
-higer speed
-is cheaper
Ather is
-more reliable
-better fit n finish
-costs more
Hahahaha you are saying ather is reliable...but that's not the truth within 500kms belt issue , 450kms brake pads worn out , 1500kms front race kit issue , 1600kms scoring marks in disc plate , screenshot blackout issue , service centre persons are very rude after a 3 months of ownership1650kms i faced lot of problems in ather , weekly my Ather sits in ather service center
The product speaks for itself, Ather is the best ola is no match for it
Nice joke
Facts!!
Ather will travel less than 100 kms,
Ather has smaller boot space compared to ola,
Ather has smaller screen
Ather has lower acceleration despite having compromised safety thin tyres compared to ola S1 pro.
Don't even get me started on ola's software capabilities.
But Ather is the best if you ignore facts
@rudrashishmajumdar4251 All that
" advantages of ola " - true range enters the chat...I would rather have a motorcycle with true range of 110 km going upto 115 or 120 than with a" certified range "of 160 & not even clicking 110 km ..😂😂
Chal zute 😂😂
Accha joke tha 😂😂
Also, ola has amazing touch display
Cruise control
2 holders for phone
36 liter boot capacity that can hold 2 full size helmet horizontally, and still leaves some space
2 speaker system
Microphone for on ride calls
Beautiful design ( aquired Dutch ev makes design)
Party and concert mode.
And NO NOISE AT ALL
Wait soon you will notice about your great investment (Ola) 😂
Already noticing, it's just wonderful 🤩. Driven 4200km, saved 11k
My friend has driven 17000km in 2 yrs and god knows how much he saved
I can't figure out for the life of me why ather makes noise! overengineering?
@@AshishAwaghad hahahahah
😅
Ola or Ather or any other purchase done with hard earned money - Experience is only relative to the buyer (good or bad). Because nothing is perfect!
Sir you have done phenomenally well in terms of HMI , Power electronics and overall dynamics but in terms of after sales support and small issues like drive belts damage etc you need to seriously work on.
Dear Nikhil,
Thanks for making short informative content.
It is amazing to see how grounded u are and can think like the masses.
God bless you.
Maybe ola quality wise not that good today with ather but in future OLA will win. As so many people already purchased it. Service is only problem which will go away once local repair shops starts servicing just like hero and honda.
There is no comparision between ola and Ather in terms on quality. Athers quality is top notch and their support is also good.
The amount of complaints that come in Ola is 100x more than ather. Ather might not be having all the features but definitely is the best EV scooter overall. All the features that is there in is worthless if they have tons of scooters with complaints. Nikhil you need to check out the new video of an ather working perfectly with 70,000 kms. Just stunning to watch. Shows the performance of the scooter instantly. Do let me know you're thoughts about Ola and ather.
consider that ola selling products double of the Ather
@@Vasudeva777 Because Ola has already expanded like crazy. They did this and put themselves in a trap. A place where Ather is not available, people will obviously buy Ola. There are also premature buyers who just buy on the basis of stats. Ola is blindly expanding, whereas Ather is expanding only when they know that they have the facility to entertain the minutest problem of their consumer in the cities they are present. Then only they are moving ahead. Now that Ola has already reached everywhere, definitely it is gonna sell more. But this thing won't last.
@@Vasudeva777 yeah, it's like comparing the sales number of Maruti Suzuki vs Mercedes, quality always speaks not the quantity.
@@shreddingsaga budget plays a role, where OLA wins on multiple hearts. It gives speed + distance + features.
10000 sales mein se koi 10 me fault toh aayega hi , kyuki tum khud accept kar rahe ho ki sales achi hai OLA ki
My neighbour bought ola and after 2 years the battery collapsed..luckily he had 3 years of warranty..otherwise he would have ended paying 90k for the same..now he is super confused that shall he sell the scooter now and buy a petrol vehicle..as because after 10 months the warranty would expire..this is scary 😢
Hi Nikhil, could you please do a complete deep dive in the Fintech space for new founders? I am working on a payment solution for small B2B merchants for a problem they face regularly. However, just like the PLI scheme, the barrier to getting into Fintech is pretty high, like the RBI approval for licenses and all. The asset requirement of 25 crores for the license is the biggest problem for now.
Best of luck to you brother. I hope you get success in what you are trying to built. 🙏
@@sahilx4954 Thanks!
Ola has 4.0 kwh battery ather has 3.74. If u compare both u will notice thats not a big difference. If u travel 50-55km/h speed u will consume 31-32 wh battery. So by that calculation, ather should have 116 km range and for ola it is 129 km, which is not a big difference but ather only uses 3.24 kwh battery so it gives only 105 km range.
Now
We can say its a disadvantage for ather users but ather has done smart jo here, they reserved 10% battery for upper and lower limits that means even u full charge or discharge ur battery it never going to use full 100%. Which will increase its battery expectancy. I used my ather 23000km but still my battery health is over 93%.
at 23k km 93% health is not good at all . In Ola people have used about a 50k km and their battery health is around 92-93% , same as your but longer distance covered . And ather even have a belt issue , your belt can break in midway
How often do you use ather grid fast charging?? Regularly or occasionally?
Regular user of ather grid
The absence of an auto hold feature is what made me not buy an electric scooter a couple of years ago... Being used to IC engine vehicles it was Very scary to start the scooter uphill...
Ic scooters have auto hold??
@@shadoecarjahI don't think it's a big deal thry have batteries from last 10 years like cars
I am an ather user
... Quality is great
I have both Ather and OLA but quality alone no satisfaction in EV.. I have belt and brake pad issues and cost spare is more compared to OLA.. OLA has service issue more but Service person came to rectify the issue ...17k km over still no big issues .... Ather is quality absolutely but OLA is not sturdy like Ather but its enough
Why is ather charging extra 14000 for just showing range in 450x. Is it even in the interest of the public who buy their product. Thats the main reason i would choose ola over ather.
14000 extra please expain
Yeah that subscription model is actual cancer. We should oppose such companies.
i was recommended by cousin who was using it. its superb, the best & by far ahead of competitors. i would suggest give potential buyers to experience it for a day or so. you have a product that speaks for itself
Ola has 1 lakh recommendation like your cousin 😂😂
I’ve had the Ola EV for 1.5 years now. So far it’s been great, not even a single issue that I’ve come across.
Apan ather ko consider hi nai kre kyuki koi showroom service center apne yaha hai hi nai. Hota to shayad sochte. Ola ka 2 showroom hai yaha experience center bolte h unlog usko. Thik thak service mil jati h waha.
Auto hold doesn’t work properly and service cost is high in Ather. Seating posture is not good getting back pain . I don’t know about Ola
The way Ola openly displays their features and performance speaks volumes and ensures people are well-informed... so marketing is Jarruri bro😎😂 warna sab gaadi leke ghumenge but features kya kya hai wo nahi pata rahega
Ola Electric's choice to focus on showcasing its product rather than on aggressive marketing campaigns is commendable. It ensures that customers know exactly what the features are, how the scooter performs, and what new updates to expect.
Correction - Ather Electric * ...Ola has marketing...when was the last time u saw a ather ad on tvs or other platforms 🤔...on the other hand ola has been doing this
Make a podcast on kota coaching industry!
Its made bro
@@sandeepchowdhury4008 that was on edtech !
Ola is now a widespread name in EV, plus more available in plenty which results in trust of more people.
Thankyou Nikhil for a very good interview.
We don’t need auto hold for 2 wheelers. Needed only in 4 wheelers.
Ola needs to increase it's auto hold feature time to more than 10 mins and use it in it's marketing campaign😂
Please add Audio track we really need it❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Hahaha i saw many comments there are telling Ather quality is top notch... Not like that i bought my ather 3 months back in November , within 500kms brake pad worn out and beld squeaking noise , service centre persons was rude and they spread water and told your issue solved 😂 , for brake pads they don't have stock 😂 and i changed in another service centre in warranty , in 700kms ather beld makes nore more squeaking noise and beld have Changed in warrenty after sometime front race kit bearing noise , then in 1600kms disc rotor scoring marks occurs and the person in the service centre was ride , they don't listen what your saying , coming to paint quality for 1.75lakhs scooter the paint quality was very average , software issue while riding the screen turns black...till now my ather completed 1700kms
@nikhilkamath
One question
Cost of operation is low but the capex towards buying an EV is almost double
A regular tata tigor is 7 -8 lakhs while ev is 13 lakhs +.. how does one justify the input cost and method here ?
Just my 2 cents, most businesses are built on debt so Blusmart is putting 2 lakhs as cash to get the vehicle and then loan of sub 10% is quite low for the economics to work and enable them to pay EMI with the car usage on the daily basis.
It would have difficult for the business economics to work in 2 situations - either Blusmart had to pay full amount to acquire the cars or the loan interest rate is upwards of 18%.
Blusmart cost economics ->
Cars charges around 15/16 bucks per km while the operation cost is just 2 rs per km.
Loan amount of 11,00,000/- for 5 years at 10% interest rate comes out to be around 23,000/- monthly EMI.
Given that cars are driven for 200*30 = 6000 kms every day so cost per km comes out to be another 4 Rs.
So, excluding driver and maintenance cost, business seems to have quite high EBIDTA assuming that the 2 rs per km was for charging operation cost.
Bottleneck - the cost of charging infra upfront is costly and difficult to create in the first place.
@@aakashagarwal2602yeah regarding your last point. An EV's slow charging also requires 3.3kw. In a country like India where electricity is cut to homes in summers due to load shedding is it even feasible to scale up this kind of power hog business?
Aether might be good but we dont have a showroom here ..
I have ola and im in love with it.
Ather is not even 60% of the value ola gives. Although the service is bad , the product is so good that service isn't needed.
Proud ola owner from 10 months
The stupidest post of 2023
Absolutely, heights of foolishness
Ather users are so jealous. It's pathetic. If someone is sharing a positive experience about Ola, these guys just can't digest it. I'm also really happy with my Ola S1 Pro. 2 years, 20000kms done.
@@bigapple5842true 😂
This would be biased right
What about river indi......
1:05 Ather (Cleanest form of air) this they should add in website.
I have Ather 450 x and so happy with its performance, potholes, ascent, weight nothing can beat it!
Andhe bhakt 😂😂 ola can beat ather in a flash It can beat everyone even petrol scooters.
Ola is the fastest scooter in India just fyi
So plz don't act as u don't know ankhe kholo 😂😂
Ather to bachha he ola ke samne good for girls mini scooter 😂😂
@@prashwin0917 a guy in my town bought OLA abhi service center main lekar gya hai age ka suspension toot gya aur wo bechara sadak par dhamm sey gir gya OLA is bomb ka gola, baitho aur udd jao! 😂
The owner is spiffing facts, Ather's quality is the standpoint in the marketing and they captured TN market very well
Ceo forgot the price difference 😂😂😂between ola and ather when asked what is the main difference
Just test driven ather top model …it’ has mind boggling capabilities…
I own an ather and love it. Everyone should buy an ather.
#wordOfMouth
I think ather should have opened more showrooms as well.
Like in Panipat, we have ola showroom
So people started buying ola scooters .
Now we see so many ola scooters in Panipat but no ather scooter in panipat
i love the curvy design of ola but love the performance of ather
Performance ola can beat ather in a flash
Where the hell ather got performance
Andhe bhakt aankhe kholo and ride ola then u will feel
In terms of performance it beats all petrol scooters available till date.
In terms of performance ather to baccha he Bhai 😂😂
Ankho ka parda uthao 😂😂
That's because you never drove ola. S1pro has better performance in balance, top speed, acceleration, and road grip.
What are you Missing?
@@prashwin0917 with you comment it’s really obvious who the andhbhakt is. Ather’s acceleration is far superior to your toy of a vehicle. Where ola is the android of scooter world (cheaply made, useless features) ather is definitely the apple (real performace, attention to detail)
Dude ola in hyper mode kills ather
In the 2nd generation ola is improved with their vechile only the build quality they have to improve the performance wise I suggest ola is the best with single and pillion riding ather in performance it takes time . When I went to the both the showroom for the inquiry of the vehicle ola was very responsive to it's customers and ather was very poor to the response to it's customer they have to improve in that
After is like early iPhone finished smooth product while Ola is like early android phones glitchy and not finished
Abhishek upamanyu with intelligent tolks ... 😁
I would like to meet you to discuss something
The thing is when you look for a mainstream electric scooter the longest range is Ola, the fastest speed is Ola, the cheapest one is Ola. Aether, TVS and Chetak are fighting for the second place. In that regard TVS just wins by simply being familiar looking like a conventional scooter.
man i just want to know ** WHEN WILL THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS BE BUILT FOR VILLAGES? **, WHICH HAVE ROADS WORSE THAN OFFROADING TRACK !!
Ather quality is ultimate compare than ola..am the owner of ather completed 35k in just 1.2 months....
bro accept it , they have a better Network! go any city it is easier to find a Ola showroom !!
Fuck ,this PLI scheme boggled me 😂
Recently I came across all the scooters, as I planning to buy it.
Being an average middle class family man and living in Tier-2 city, I felt Ather is not for me.
The first reason is the seat position, as you couldn’t keep your 3 year kid comfortable due to their seat angle.
Second the design, doesn’t give me a feeling of its scooter for mine and my wife.
We can argue that Ather is high performance and great features.
But, being a family man, I don’t care about how fast it reach 100 km
I believe Tvs iqube is the perfect fit for your use case. They've made the design like a regular petrol scooter.
@@himanshunahak5105 I tried iqube too, I is too quit and doesn’t feel like, I am riding a scooter..
I haven’t get the excitement or happy when ride the scooter..
I like OLA very much.
It is quite good for my family travel and also I feel good when I ride it.
I wonder if founder itself uses Aether on daily basis or just some random checks!
Bro he is rich. Prolly goes to the toilet in a car.
Why doesn't Ather go around the PLI? Start a new company hand over manufacturing to that company and let Ather buy from them and sell as a non-manufacturer and then apply got PLI
All ola needs to do now is just fix all the issues and make it reliable AND find a way to sell it at a cheaper price. Ather might be leagues better but there will always be a market for cheaper and a reliable product.
Wait for few months , we will offer something these can't.
Why ppl spk hindi in the middle. Appreciate team on adding subs for those hindi words
buying ather is same as buying petrol scooter because the bill ather charge for service way way more high 🙏🙏🙏
BUy only Ather.. Ola scooters have so many engineering issues . And very minimal service centre human expertise to fix issues..
No 1 question is why the hell Evs cost so much
Everybody is scared of saying anything which can annoy the government. But those who praise the government will get all the benefits. At the end the economy will suffer.
Fun fact ola also has hill hold and better range
Its corrwct in north india specially in villages and towns Ather is non existent
Just took test drive of both the vehicles. IMO the Ather rides more like an actual 2W. Ola scooter has a weird throttle response (there is a good 1 sec input lag, feels very un-natural). The fit and finish of Ather is lot better. Ola feels like a toy.
People who own ola scooters are complaining about the after sales service and the overall quality is pathetic.
Hi Nikhil
I want to buy a bike & was considering an EV.
My Friend Dr.Nishant said `AANKH BAND KARKE ATHER LE`
He has been using Ather for last 2 years and is very happy.
When Tarun replied to your Q as to what Ola is doing better.... that OLA is Marketing better, I realised ATHER is an EXCELLENT Product.
It has just failed in Marketing.
Just like TATA NANO.
I have been using the TATA NANO for last 9 years & I am Very Happy.
Nano is one of the best Cars in its segment.
I sincerely want ATHER to WIN, & not go the NANO way .
Now i know meaning of Ather: cleanest form of Air!
I think they take from ther which scientist are trying to find in 1900
Medium in which light travel
@@president_bharat founder tarun mehra said this in this podcast. ATHER is a greek word which means cleanest or purest form of air and they want to create a company that produces cleanest form of energy.
Ola is good bike but after service will be a nightmare with ola as of now
17k kilometers will save 40 thousand rupees, as per their Caluculation 40km per litre from ola.
After service is very worst, they will tell no service needed but I have a problem 1 day front handle and tyre disconnected while I am driving.
Now I am facing daily "scooter issue changed to park" while driving 2 to 3 times on the middle of the road. They are telling no problem in your scooter.
Ola is good until we got a problem. They have to improve their service far better.
Else it is a life or death for rider, only God knows.
I went to the service centre yesterday, and resolved the issue free of cost.
Your topic says should I buy Ola or Ather but there is no conclusion
You Teach Everything except Trading at which you are King .Think about it.
Please don't buy Ola. Very bad customer service. And service is the worst.
Nikhil you absolute sweet heart
Please tell me if I should invest in OLA IPO. ??
Absolutely no 110% do not invest in Ola because I am working in Ola, worst Management, worst product, worst operations, I have seen very closing how management is working, even top management also working like a shit and there is no proper management structure and top cfo, marketing and in every team/department facing nepotism, favouritism, womanizer.... A lot if
Only means, ola bought electoral bonds and gave to party which supports them with special pli scheme
Ather is more sporty .Ola is Classic looking .. People buying scooters want classic looks and comfortable straight seat
I bought ola s1 pro, the top model, in June 2023, and i am really disappointed. Thinking of going to consumer court. Reasons - 1) the latest OS of ola, move OS 4, has not come to my vehicle till now. So, i don't have any hill hold feature till now, forget it being there for few seconds.
2) Worst problem of ola- the scooter auto locks itself for hours, and i can't be use it. So, the scooter doesn't have traditional keys to start the scooter. I need to input a password or use mobile app. But the screen gets hanged for hours everyday. And i have to leave scooter at home, use some other vehicle, as it can't be unlocked even by app. I have taken the scooter to ola customer care 3 times, and on third time it has become a bit better, still it hangs. Furthermore, the range of my scootet also was only 60 km for first 4 months. Again, due to software problems. It has become alright now. I will never buy ola again, if ather was in bhopal, i would have recommended ather to everyone
😂😂
@@skd2697tujhe bada maza Ara hai😂
@@memesofproduction3 Haan 😂
Dont buy either... EV is not upto mark yet
True
Upto the Mark kuch nhi hota life me, it's all about continuous research and development, both in any commodity and life
@@vaibhav-bhavsar Yes.. lekin EV vehicle sey behtar CNG hey
@@joshuacherian6718 haa agar dikkki/compartment space matter nahi karti to go with CNG
Athers auto hold is dangerous. Only demerit i felt about ather. Other wise ola is crap with huge complaints
Not a fair assessment with only one side speaking for themselves. Right question to the wrong person.
i have both ola s1 pro and ather 450x , i wud say ola is much better as a product. No doubt ather has far superior build quality than ola, it also has better manuverabilty. But ola actually comes with better raw specs such as power , battery and range. Ola has soft suspension which makes it better for longer rides, ather on the other hand is better if u have to go short distances. Also the biggest reason for ola being better is the cost , ather comes with several hidden costs such as pro packs and 2 variants in 450x model.
if u have to travel long distances u shud go for ola (comes with bad software , the unlocking process is bad, bad manuverability compared with ather)
if u have to travel short distances go for ather (bad for long distances , hard suspension , oftens jumps on speedbreakers , makes more noise, less range and bootspace)
Ola 130-140 range on road 167-168 k
Ather 187-188 k
On road with 110 km range
😂ola has 100 km range in this month on road it wad 110000
This question for like asking apple should i buy iphone or samsung 😂
Ola gives better range.
Ather can be compared as apple in scooters
Well engineered vehicle
Expectation: Millions of people...
Reality: 50000 views
Ola is a jugaad quality vehicle and Ather is superior
I own Ola s1 pro.. their service is pathetic. On paper, Ola looks value for money but the Milage is equal to Ather
Ola 😍
Why u use the word bucks ???
I bought Ola.
But I will advise don't buy it
- poor build quality
- very poor service
- Design is good
- features are ok
- pricing is good
Worst fact is that the host says both are same cost what the fuc..
both are not good wait for another 3 or 5 years to have better range scooters
Ather is the best 👌
Hero, bajaj, tvs easily take over both new born ather-ola
.....😅
Humara bajaj.....chetak electric scooter is far better than both ola and ather..... period
Ather owner her, road ola, heres the gyst:
Atger is the iPhone of scooters, its expensive yes for sure but delivers with quality. Ola is like an android flagship.
Ather is just alot better than than zhOLA
Ather is top notch, I love my scooter!