I can remember walking into an armed forces careers office back in the 90's. "Army, Navy, Airforce?" was bellowed at me before I'd even closed the door! "Airforce!" I said. "Okay mate, take a seat." As simple as that. What other professions offer walk in opportunities like this? We really do suffer from very short sighted politics in this country. We're always shooting ourselves in the foot, in my view. You're right Tim. The youth of this country are being robbed of a future that offers something different than crime and poverty. It's horrendous.
Retired traffic police men who teach advanced driving lessons, vision, progressing through the traffic, pedestrians, situation awareness, hazards and driving style. If you can find one these blokes they are awesome at delivering a life long skill for motorbike and car drivers.
Motorcycle policeman stopped me racing through our town. Said he was sick of scraping young lads like us off the road and visiting the parents and siblings to give the bad news. Offered me ex-police trainer course in lieu of booking me. I learned how and when to have fun speeding, and never had an accident afterwards!
It's so different today, the thought of future life for the young-uns scares the crap out of me! In 1978, I just walked into CIO in Nottm, there were 3 desks, army RN and RAF, and I said to the RAF Sgt, "you'll do, have you got any jobs"? I was in within 5-6 months, stayed there for 9 years, loved military life, and it set me up for life! Retired at 60, never drew a benefit, never been in trouble with the law.
Totally agree Tim. Walking into the CIO in Oldham in 1978 got me out of the council estate and labouring into the Air Force as an Armourer, technical training whilst being accommodated, fed and paid. Did a 12 year stint and grew up as a person and as a tradesman with transferable skills. Now at 62 I love life for what it is. The foundation in the military gives you the direction for your life career.
My Dad was a Police Constable for 30 years. When he was at training college the instructors knew who would make a good officer and they would tell them a few of the answers when they were doing the written exams to make sure they got through and passed out. The instructors knew that a lot of the guys didn't have great educations and used their judgement and gave them a chance to shine. I bet that doesn't happen today!
I watched the documentary and immediately thought "I'm going to show this to my son!". I think someone once said "If we don't find something for our young men to do then they'll find something for themselves and that won't end well"! Great video, thanks.
I lost 2 young friends within our first year of driving- both catapulted through the front windows. At the time some thought it was still "macho" to not wear a seatbelt. In those days though we could all drive like absolute loons. I have an 18 year old son and some companies quoted £15K for insurance. He has a 'black box' which constrains exuberant driving (I'd have hated it at his age) but I'm glad he has one.
My father, from a working class family, was one of the National service recruits in the 50s. He happened to have some O levels and was pushed into flying training as an officer in the RAF. It was the making of him and he made a career of it in the RCAF as well as the RAF over 35 years.. it definitely helped him with his social mobility!
Dad was a traffic officer in the 70's and 80's? Then he probably knew my dad. Whilst not an officer he was a police mechanic. First at Hulse Road Southampton and was then moved to Fareham when it shut. Knew an awful lot of the traffic cops and had some amazing stories. Sadly passed 4 weeks ago. Miss him loads. Love the vlogs, keep up the good work!
A lot of the youth are waking up.That's why military enlistment is at an all time low. They understand who the oppressors really are.Why would anyone support our oppressors???
I don't think that Tim was talking about the university students with a preoccupation for social justice and victim mentality - I think he was talking about young, working class youths who need to get a good start in life.
Bollocks! You are talking utter bollocks! I was raised in a Family Regiment whose influence and traditions STILL sustain that ethos, despite the prevailing views of our political classes; and, it would appear, parts of our populace!
Tim, keep at them. The lads to which you refer are the essence of the English - adventurous, fit, ready, but needing encouragement and direction. Fruitful ground for great Non commissioned officers to shape and lead. Potential Tigers everyone.
The essay about your dad is very moving, my dad was a traffic officer for 25 years, he's over 80 now and still generally fit and well, he never talked much about his job.
Thank you for your service, Mr Davies and that seems to be a common theme in your family. What has happened to the UK? There are only a couple more weeks left to send a clear massage to the Uniparty, by voting for Reform!
Isn't Reform led by Nigel Farage ? As much an establishment skimmer as the rest of 'em. I agree we need to send a message loud and clear to the Uniparty, but I'm going to be voting for the independent candidate standing for which ever party. The establishment party with the huge party apparatus have been hollowed out from inside.
@@apflewis I support Patriotic Alternative, so I am not much of a Farage fan either but only Reform has the opportunity of properly scaring the Uniparty. Have you seen who Labour has put up against NF in Clacton? 😂
Tim, I Am 1 of 5, 4 of which are in military jobs. My boys are all military. My wife's Dad was a soldier. My No 1 son wrote to the recruiting agency, offering pickup points about what wouls attract him to join and was told the ads were not aimed at him: a natural marine, a 9 yeat Corporal at that time! We are military back to 1820. Yet some twat civvy would not target us got the Army?? My dad sent both boys to Boarding school to ensure our education. My brother became a Cpl metalsmith, a WIZARD with metal; and I finished as a Major after 36 years. The Regular Army used to have the tools to to establish and promote the willingness to learn! But now? The Govt has cut away so much of the Genuine ability to drag us up ...
Hi mate, good video. I live in Gosport, I haven’t seen this documentary yet but I think this is the crash that happened on the Southwick Road between the roundabout on Portsdown Hill & Wickham. If it is the crash I’m thinking of the sad part of it was that the lad who was killed always looked after his disabled sister & hardly ever went out apart from that night. Our friends used to look after the girl at weekends too & always said he was a nice lad. Very sad. 😔
It’s not new Tim. I worked in driver risk management for 6 years. Boys between 17-24 are more likely to die in a car accident. P.S got a daughter just don’t let her get in her boyfriend’s car!! I remember asking a young driver once who had a baby, do you think the way you drive has changed since you’ve had a baby. His reply, yes, I now am responsible for someone else.
Remember at that age if working and still living with mum and dad, lots of free cash, car finance on unlimited car types with limited restrictions on what they can drive. And that remains the same even if they were in the military as young men. Even at that age, there is limited fear and or responsibility.
Tim, you are the product of a socially mobile police force that no longer exists. I joined the police because I applied to the Navy to become a helicopter pilot with my nine, not very impressive, 'O' Levels and one 'H' Grade (Scottish equivalent of 'A' Levels) as I figured entry would be easier than for the RAF. I was sent to Biggin Hill where I passed selection and was sent onto Portsmouth where I flunked selection. I asked why I passed RAF selection and not Navy selection and was told "The ladies in the RAF have a nice stable runway to land on, we only have a tiny moving deck in the middle of the ocean to land on." I was offered a place to train as a navigator and like an idiot I turned it down because I was an idiot and. Nor did I even think of reapplying to the RAF. What a clown. I was overqualified for the police so, naturally, they snapped me up however, most of the guys I joined with had fewer, if any, qualifications than me and most of them turned out to be great cops. I'm sure I have mentioned this to you before but, we were rapidly superseded by university graduate cops who were suffering from the 1970's/80's unemployment situation in the country. They were bloody awful. These same people are running our dire police forces and, I suspect, our military right now which is why they are in the dire condition they are. The fact is most of us who joined the police/nursing or the armed forces were so dumb we had to ask questions and thereby gained an intimate understanding of our employment environment. University types enter the workplace with all the answers, which are invariably wrong, because they skipped the important part of understanding their working environment.
My Dad, now passed was a police sergeant and said exactly the same it started back in the 70s, my brother joined as well and eventually hated it. The qualified idiots were fast tracked but clueless in how to do the job and even worse at communicating. Nursing became the same after changing it to a degree. I was an RN and seriously common sense is enough. Some, mostly women trained to get the degree and then never did the job, they used it as a way to get a paid for by the NHS degree.
I agree with everything you said. I also know that road in Portsmouth after doing a course at Southwick Park (ex HMS Daedalus I think), In 2008. There was a banging burger van there and Portsmouth looked amazing! Ex RAF. Joined in 1987. Wouldn't let my children join now.
In 1977 as a 16 year old I was about to leave a large Comprehensive school in the north of England, during our final week all the boys (and there were about 100) were gathered together in the hall for a talk by a member of the local constabulary. The talk consisted of what not to get involved in the usual drink, drugs, antisocial behaviour, not getting in to bother etc. the wrap up I always remember. The bobby said “now lads there are about a hundred of you here today you might not have taken on board all I’ve said but I want you to look around you at all the chaps in this room today because statistically speaking one of you will be dead within the year, now I wish you all the luck in the world; just make sure it’s not you!” the room fell silent. That summer; talk forgotten one of our number went out one evening in some older kids car, drinks were partaken, fun had, but the inevitable happened the speeding car out of control on a blind bend hit a tree spinning round, an unlucky occupant not waring a seat belt was thrown clear of the vehicle but killed. Having heard the news I recalled the ‘Coppers’ closing remark!
Im a survivor of one of those accidents, took the police nearly a year to finally get the truth.. i was driving a heavily modded cosworth ,engine and roll cage, the other driver was a middle aged woman in a golf ... so naturally the police thought it was me .. managed to find a crucial witness and other driver was charged with driving with undue care . i spent the next 2 years learning to walk again and a further 3 getting fit enough to get through selection, sadly a few months in my legs gave up.. 25 years later i struggle every day with the result of what happened, on a plus side i was fortunate to have driving a car with roll cage and 4 point harness.. the only downside is how little help i got from the forces after all the effort i put in
One of the major steps I took from being a boy, to becoming a man was when I had to take that first step into a recruitment office. Looking back it didn't see like a big deal, but to a teenager that had zero life experience, just walking in and enquiring about joining the Army, was a major 'first step' in life.
Found your channel by happy accident.Im a night-shift worker with a lots of time to 'tube surf'.Love your content.Informative and entertaining,look forward to more videos.Many thanks.
As a current collision investigator (independent version of what your dad did, with the Police - thank you for your videos, incidentally, helping me become this after failing to join the RAF). I totally agree with what you said. All people should go through extra tests and information while driving. It's horrible for the families of the victims and the "perps". There can be far more done to stop it!
Tim you know I drive motorcycles.Ive noticed the standard of car drivers has dropped to a horrifying level ,less bikes means less people think bike ,but all in its madness where the passes are coming from .
@@FastJetPerformance Yes. The recent arrivals probably on an international driving permit if you're lucky!! They drive as if they have had half a dozen lessons if that
@@Isochest yes, I saw a guy who looked like a migrant in a car today, all over the road, gesticulating to his passenger, I can't imagine they all have insurance.
The problem as I see it is that we are now witnessing the first generation of youngsters that many of which were nothing more than cash cows for their parents. Unloved and unwanted but the government payed enough money in child support so the parents who know how to play the system didn’t have to work. The kids grow up knowing nothing else and have little to no self esteem and end up doing the same. Pride doesn’t even enter into the equation anymore. How many of these kids, even if they were shown an open door, would actually walk through it?
My Dad tells similar stories about the police force, they were expected to be accident investigators, bereavement councillor's and everything else as well.
I did schools liaison during my time as the area beat sergeant for Paulsgrove. Used to live on the estate myself in the mid 70’s. It had a bit of a reputation…….many good folk amongst the very bad. Those schools were an oasis of normality for many of those kids.
My 18 year old grandson just qualified for driving a bus after the required 6 months driving a car. He was still quoted £11k for a car insurance but in the day he drives a bus with 80 passengers. His parents have no money, are in rented but that shouldn’t stop them helping their kids to move up. He will earn £30k with the potential to move up and he absolutely loves it. Bus companies are crying out for drivers.
Hi Tim - watched that documentary on BBC iPlayer (it doesn't seem to be there right now) - and actually worked at the same place as the 'driver' Danny. Even after spending time inside, he was still a lairy wide-boy, but obviously wasn't driving at the time. As for Careers Offices - you're 100% correct. I walked into one in my hometown to join the RAF as a pilot and was rejected (needed A-Levels?!?!) so ended up not joining the services (I had been in the Air Training Corp). Wish I'd known I could have flown in the Navy!!!
I did my basic training in the royal artillery then left, i also spent 20 years of my life training young men who wanted a military career, i stopped about 10 years ago because of a corrupt government and missuse of our young men and now i stear them away from it
As a teenager, my choices were to go on the dole or join the military. Damned if I was going to spend my life on the dole. I always loved aircraft so I joined the RAF. 30 years of aircraft maintenance later I had to retire and start a new career. I still see people from my school days who never got a full-time job. Some have been in and out of prison. The military definitely saved me.
I lost an 18yr old brother in a car accident 30 0dd yrs ago , and I’ll never forget seeing the police car coming up the drive first thing in the morning. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone . He was the sober driver but must have gone to sleep after dropping the last passenger off and crossed into an oncoming truck . I would love to see every kid do a defensive driving course as part of their license . I think the problem goes deeper though. Lack of respect for authority is a major problem, from parents to teachers , police etc . 12 months basic military training might go a little way to sorting some of that out . Having decent roll models in positions of authority is also part of that though .
I’ve watched that program Tim. I found it sad for the family who lost their son. I can’t think of anything worse than losing a child. When it comes to opportunities for the young, I believe another source of recruitment, which has mostly disappeared are military shows. Navy Days, RAF Air Displays and Army Shows. I used to take my son to lots of military events. He’s just left the Royal Navy after serving over 20 years as an Artificer in the Fleet Air.
I'm ex RAF, retired Police, current driving instructor and father to a 17 year old lad. The idea of groups of young lads out in cars together really worries me. The recent tragedy in Wales is a case in point. My lad will me getting taught some extra skills.
No doubt you know plenty of resources considering background, but Car Limits a fun one for learning your own limits and the car's. I certainly drove a lot slower after realising how talented I wasn't... Cost of insurance is keeping ours off the roads, thankfully. Worry is passed along, however, as one of their friends will inevitably drive.
I was based in Portsmouth ands came from a broken home Tim. I think you're blanket throwing this over people. You've done really well but the military doesn't just take anyone anymore
I think I agree with you 100%. Most of us did silly things in cars as young men, but I can't help but think that this lad was just flat out stupid and his cousin was a liar and unremorseful for his actions. To not understand the limits of the car is one thing, but to hand the keys over to someone who could barely stand was just stupid. I will say, I don't know his upbringing, and perhaps he lacked a father figure as is often the case nowadays.
3:07 - an exercise I used to do often when driving or riding (fast bikes) was, when comfortably cruising at any speed on fast roads or sometimes hooning it at supra-legal speeds, to visualise going off into the scenery. It's quite sobering - modern vehicles are so effortlessly fast, track like arrows (usually) and people are simply oblivious to the massive kinetic energy involved and how it will make itself known if the car or bike suddenly _isn't_ smoothly tracking that ribbon of tarmac.
A cantankerous old guy I knew that was also a successful national level racer used to advocate all road cars having a huge spike on the steering wheel to focus the driver's mind on the consequences of getting it wrong. I'm thinking he had a point...
I passed my driving test in Portsmouth. 😀 A nephew of mine, Jack, aged 18, was killed in a similar car crash near Denmead. Four in the car - two were killed - the other two walked away with barely a scratch.
May not have changed as much as you fear - anecdotally one of ours got accepted into the marines last year with similar a-level grades to you, having quit university. There are still opportunities. Whether there's widespread desire to join the forces and fight for a bunch of self-serving criminals is another thing.
Mate of mine (Former RMP monkey) worked in army careers/recruitment in the twilight of his career just as thing were moving to Capita. He often speaks of what a clusterfuck it was then trying to get bodies in. I can only imagine it's worse now as the unit recruiting teams are much much smaller. I'm not even sure there's an office in Sheffield these days. That said kids will be kids and feck about in cars to try and impress their mates.
I've occasionally thought that something like a REME course at school would benefit boys (possibly girls as well) with 'structural thinking' and cooperation/teamwork, possibly first aid training thrown in for good measure alongside disaster relief - I'd have been up for it as (I think) would most of the kids I grew up with.
I walked in to Guildford careers office in 83 and the Royal Marine sergeant there made you do 10 chin ups on a bar in the skylight before he would talk to you about what you wanted to do. He'd get sued now.
Same happened to me and a college mate in 1983 in Staffordshire, after a few beers we walked in the recruitment office and my mate cheekily said (to the Royal Marines Colour Sergeant) “I want to be your boss”. Ok he said “let’s see 15 wide arm pull-ups and we can talk about it”. I managed it but my cheeky mate hung there like a dead bat and scurried home. I joined the RN 4 months later but my mate was still living with his parents when he was 35 with his mum still making his bed for him.😮 Opportunity lost right there for him, but I think the Colour Sergeant was totally fair as my mate wouldn’t have hacked the training.
They'd definitely changed things when I went to a careers office in the late 00s and said I want to be a pilot, got told I needed both Maths and English at C or above; only had a D in English so got told to bugger off essentially. (And they didn't accept those useless Key Skills qualifications either!) I actually did retake my English GCSE and eventually got the C, but by that time I'd taken a chair to the arse and got fat
I'm a mid 30's electrical maintainence engineer, on a good salary. I can only afford a dismal 1 bedroom flat or maisonette whereas on an equivalent income, the previous generation could afford much bigger property in which to have a family and raise children. I don't want to face these poor housing prospects and I am in the process of joining the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. The advantage of this is that I can spend my leave away from the UK and own property abroad which is much better value for money. The UK has imported the third world, now we've become the third world for many of its citizens.
So many young men, me included say ' there but for the grace of God go I!' So many of us had very narrow escapes in our cars just after passing our driving test. Loosing control at a bend going too fast into it, was top of the list I'm sure. Ego and false pride in not wanting too be seen chicken was another. Very, Very sad for the boy's that their luck ran out. I was one of the lucky ones. 😢❤
I work in an energy from waste plant as an operations engineer,(Im ex RAF sigs) 75% of the engineers working on the plant are ex forces with most being ex navy. Its not only the forces that will suffer what about all the roles currently filled by ex forces guys especially the power industry. Who will run the plants?
It’s not what you know but who you know. I had a friend who worked for one of the big computer companies and he said there were some departments where unless you went to Oxford/Cambridge it wasn’t even worth applying. So you could have a genius but he/she was of less value than some idiot from Oxford who might have a drinkers degree. Is it any wonder this country is now run by idiots from Eton?
11:20 “Doing something worth while, they can be proud of”. Iraq. Afghanistan. This is the problem. Who wants to be a tool/cog in a machine that gets things so horribly wrong that millions suffer.
Spot on Tim and as well as equity destroying everything, nepotism is on the rise as well. Meritocracy is ending as we speak and I am sure it won't be long before out Government create a new modern Kings German Legion, or ramp up Gurkha numbers because they cannot be bothered to go back to the age old, successful Army recruiting model!
I am 54 next month, My dad covered the Ambulance for the town I was brought up in rural Scotland, he would do similar, come in covered in blood, talk about his day, mum was a nurse in the theatre, of the hospital its how they met, so they would both talk shop to destress, he would be in tears if there was incidents that corresponded to the age of my sister and I, the amount of stress he went through can only be expressed as - the town is now smaller, instead of a single ambulance it now has two, and the coverage area is 1/4 and they still consider they lack resources. Mum had it a bit easier, but still both my parents had to struggle to keep a roof over our heads. Boy racer - passed my test crashed dads car, completely wrote it off - totalled it, don't know how I got out was standing beside the wreck which was pancaked. After that I took advanced driving lessons off my own back. 100% I found all limits of the car, did more advanced driving in RAF too, but as young man I thought I was invincible, there isn't much we can do about that, but if those youngsters were off the road, and not cruising around bored - its not just social mobility, its also cultural cohesion, the family units are broken, we had it better but at least one can recognise some of the problems. Careers office, HM Forces, related impact to my sons: When I went to sign up to HMF, I went to careers presentations for both Navy and RAF, and careers office - eventually to join RAF, Biggin hill, different stuff ended up in comms, and PVR'd early as I didn't agree UK politics recanted my attestation. That aside the mobility was great, opened my eyes to a wider UK and rest of world, - so after leaving, starting a family etc, I moved around a lot with my sons as little kids, and showed them a lot more about life etc, inspired by me, eldest flew the nest and works in Gibraltar, youngest 18 just flew the nest to stay with his brother. There is nothing for the kids in UK, nor here in Spain either, I live up the mountains way past Malaga, however by showing my sons, a wider aspect of the world, moving around, changing countries and ensuring they were both fully bilingual, written and spoken, whilst not academic (due moving around), they both had enough life experience to stand for themselves. That experience came from me, which is understandable, but my experience and discipline, attitude came from a lot of bollockings, a lot of fun, and the work hard play hard ethics I had in the UK forces. Is there an example that correlates to your comments - yes: Gibraltar. How does that relate UK and Gibraltar etc, well Gibraltar still has the more traditional sort of army cadets, for the Gib regiment and also has the RAF cadets, with the community being insular on the small peninsula connected to Spain the kids in Gibraltar still have a lot to do, there is the university etc, and whilst it all has it flaws, being a micro community the attitude of the kids in Gibraltar their outlook and approach differs a lot to those of my family and friends in UK and Spain. Finally. So whilst my politics and UK differ, I resonate 100% with all of what you said, and have commonality in my own experiences with my dad too - I whole heartedly agree with you. After thoughts, Parents have to be aware of the social construct and its limitations, they also have accountability, but having a careers office, local TA regiment, (territorial army / volunteer reserve) marching, and some visibility around the town when I grew up 70's/80's I would see the TA doing drills, I would see the cadets, - that has all gone from the town in UK too, the community centre the town had long since closed, so what do the kids have now, its much less than I had when I grew up, ( Gibraltar still has that and it works.- and the British Gibraltarian kids aspire to do something patriotic for Gibraltar / UK, - the community cohesion is still present, in Gib whilst its absent throughout a lot of UK) I'm glad I took an unorthodox approach and dragged my kids from country to country, much like I experienced when changing postings. The RAF gave me a chance to shine, and taught me discipline which still serves me to date. If I'd not seen the big boys marching in uniform with SLR's and constant buzz of RAF aircraft, I wouldn't have thought to join the forces. It was made easy with the joint forces careers office, whom like any decent high street sales outfit, sold me on the idea. Thank you. nb I cannot watch the netflix documentary even on VPN just tried.
The other day I was watching something about the history of the Mountain Leaders in the army. So I thought I'd see what the official UK military page said about them. The first thing I noticed was the title in the tab "Moutain Leader", so not only was it spelt incorrectly but it has not been spell checked. That is the level the Forces have sunk to.
Totally agree, Back in the day we had a meritocracy in this country and had it not been for that I would not be typing this now. Born in a part bombed house with one cold tap and an outside loo. Granddad Killed in the first war, Dad "tapped" in the second. One of three boys born in the East End. You could be as good as you could be back then. Education and particularly PolyTech was my route.. ONC, HNC and learn on the job. That Post war generation still had cohesion and a burning desire to make UK a much better place to be. Not so now. Sullen and broken, selfish and insular and totally lacking in confidence. Let down by its "leaders". Sad.
The ATC Cadet flying programme is a total disgrace, all the gliders scrapped at tax payers expense. Yet my dad learned to fly with them in his day, I've known many people who've come up that way into Aviation, and it's real. Tremendous thing for the CV and a great start to a flying career, and all free (save the hard work). Growing up a generation later, as a kid I both learned a huge amount from older pilots and also learned early the implications of getting things wrong, and the integrity required to be safely around flying machines. The ATC cadet programme needs a re-boot.
To be fair and whilst I agree that ATC flying opportunities are too few the glider fleet was not scrapped. The Vigilant fleet of motor gliders were withdrawn due to errors in record keeping and maintenance but they have not been replaced. However, the Viking gliders still operate at 13 (?) site around the UK as do the Grob Tutors of the UAS/AEF fleet.
I was a pub landlord in Paulsgrove, while we could say most were a lovable rouge character, I don't see the military offering anything to these guys. Yes I've been shot at, dealt with a person wanting to shot a fellow customer, firebombed, smokebombed, theft, assualted etc. etc. Yes, I had some customers kill themselves driving cars/motorbikes round Paulsgrove, good ridence to one or two. As a ex-military man and dealing up front and personal to the youths in the area, no you are wrong the military could offer nothing to these people. Yes again, zero social mobility and failing schools, I was a school governor to one of the local schools , this is a totally manufactured situation of the state system. The schools in the area only attract poor/low quality teachers who fail the pupils right through to leaving school as adults. So maintaining zero social mobility as these kids have no chance, so it is not military service that will help but a decent and fair education would give them the best oppertunity in life. But then the social barriers being erected in every profession to prevent the lower classes bettering themselves, as you say the military is adopting these barriers. What I will say the Southern lads of Portsmouth would be eaten alive by the tougher lifestyle in the Midlands or the North I'm afraid, it is real harder life and lads. I will say I found Portsmouth Police corrupt and dishonest and could never trust them to see an old lady across the road. But not as corrupt and dishonest as the Midlands Police, I could write a book on their dishonesty and corruption, I have never met an honest Policeman. My brother was a Police Inspector and his wife a WPC as well as a detective in the family!
Does the preponderance of officers not prove social mobility? That in itself drains the ranks in the time when everyone gets a trophy and no one fails anymore.
If you want a young guy to drive safely, take them to a racetrack. I raced for years at National level in Canada, got damm good at driving and crashed a lot of racecars with an ambulance standing by and now everyone complains how slow and safe I drive on the road. Ya, I have a trophy cabinate at home that says i'm the best driver in Canada, I don't need an accident on the way home from work.
@@davidgavin7280 yes it is, makes me really sad that competition is so expensive now, but you don’t have to spend much to go rental kart racing or take a banger to track days. Motor bike racing is much cheaper and even things like joining a gliding club are generally quite affordable and have the same effect. The fact is driving fast is bloody fun and I do it a lot, just not on the road.
I agree with much of what you say. Successive British Governments are to blame for cutting our armed forces to shamefully low levels in order to pursue their own preferred objectives. I don't think the level of support for our ex- servicemen and women is anywhere near adequate either. Too many homeless vets suffering mental health problems from PTSD after being involved in wars. It seems our Government chews them up and spits them out. I have several members of my family in the services. I am very proud of them and what they have achieved in life. One of my great-nephews, recently tried to join the Parachute Regiment but was turned down. He had his heart set on the Paras and didn't want to join any other Regiment. I think the re-introduction of National Service might be a good idea. It would give young people a 'flavour' of the services to see if they liked and enjoyed it, as well as giving them some discipline and pride in their Nation. I don't think we can keep importing emigrants from other countries to act as a 'band- aid' for our deficiencies. We need to train our own indigenous people to fill these roles. The rate of migrants coming to the UK is unsustainable. It puts too much pressure on housing, schools; NHS; GP services and available jobs. We have to find a better way for our Nation and all its people. Best wishes to you and all who have served.
The level of poverty and homeless families has increased exponentially and social mobility has virtually stopped due to mass immigration which government uses to push growth which pushes land and property prices exponentially whilst keeping wages at rock bottom. The alternative for a lot of poor kids is county lines and not working for low pay and no future. Whole parts of the major cities are broken by neglect and lack of worth while job opportunities. There is no easy answer to the state the country is now in.
If your taking yourself 'to the limit' on a public road you're certainly not fit to take your car to the limit. I've driven at 200mph on a UK road and I wasn't taking either myself or the vehicle to the limit though I was certainly making the consequences of a failure worse. But anyone pushing themself to 'the limit' is a chump waiting to ruin other people's lives
Frankly it's a good thing non-tech savvy kids can't walk into a careers office and sign up. Anything that keeps people out of the Wokery/Military is a good thing. This country isn't worth their sacrifice.
"... I speak to guys in the careers offices ... things have changed ..." CRAPITA, yes ? "We need houses for young people ..." The base houses in the now disused air force base near here, are all boarded up - could be used as 'social housing'.
saw that yesterday, initially thought a load of losers\chavs etc etc. but yes, if they had some structure ole models etc they may have turned out differently.
I’d argue some points here - you can go into most libraries and use the internet for free. There are a lot of free internet wi fi areas such as cafes and supermarkets. I think you would need to see more evidence of who has smart phones in the age range 16 to 20 rather than saying ‘not everyone has one’ I would say likely pretty much everyone has one.
The military is a great place to learn a trade, to get a steady income and to mature socially and financially. If only the recruiters would do a better job!
The clamour for the upper ranks, the degree requirements (like a degree is the way to be a good street copper??) missing are the artisans. That’s the police as well as the military Tim. Where are the wise patrol sergeants?, the rank that was the glue, the bonding, the leader? Why this drive for academia? OK I got my degree from Portsmouth Uni - whilst I was in the job - that’s doing it the hard way - but it didn’t replace my street skills or what I’d learnt about managing people to help them shine, to mentor them and to advise them. I don’t see this anymore.
Mate of mine when we were young & stupid use drive down pigeon house lane with his foot down on the accelerator And would keep turning his lights on / off . How he didn’t crash the car I’d never know . 🤦🏼♂️
N and 2 E’s - oh I’m glad I’m not alone. But even with those grades I eventually got into Brum Poly, and built a career that I couldn’t do now. Self taught cyber security gnu yet I look at the young people coming into the industry and the loops and hurdles they have to overcome just to get a foot in the door would have barred me from this life. It’s not just the Military, it’s society as a whole. 10 years ago part of my job was looking at graduate engineering intakes for a global automotive company. At that point a decision was made to not even look at undergraduate degrees and just go for Masters. Social mobility was possible for our Gen X, but it’s been missing now for at least 2 decades.
WRT driving, IAM Skill for Life is the way to go. Teaches enhanced hazard awareness, correct car control and corner assessment to name but a few, using theory from Roadcraft (the Police non blue light driving manual). Used to be older drivers, but they've really opened it up now, even to those who've just passed their test. Probably the best investment you can make for a new driver, there's a small fee to do it, but lessons are free in your car or an advanced driving instructors. Lots of them are ex coppers and the examiners are generally ex police traffic officers too, so a lot of experience and quality assessment
Tim great discussion points, however factors in this crash Alcohol , driver had 9pints and a kebab before going for a drive. 7 mobile phones found in the car! (And texts help prove who was driving) The driver fled the scene (no moral fibre) I got into the RAF as a pilot trainee with just 5 O levels. My mum worked at cadburys and my dad was a docker. The system now is broken and the govt won’t fix it. The community has to take it on. We need funding and youth associations to resurge. You can aspire to anything if you apply yourself. However culture and the state of the nation now has county lines running amok and til tok mentality. (A teenager is bored after 5 seconds nowadays) scary. Parents need to man up and grow a pair. Take the streets back if the gangs. Bring society back into order.
I can remember walking into an armed forces careers office back in the 90's. "Army, Navy, Airforce?" was bellowed at me before I'd even closed the door! "Airforce!" I said. "Okay mate, take a seat." As simple as that. What other professions offer walk in opportunities like this? We really do suffer from very short sighted politics in this country. We're always shooting ourselves in the foot, in my view. You're right Tim. The youth of this country are being robbed of a future that offers something different than crime and poverty. It's horrendous.
Tim, have you ever thought about making a podcast?
I could honestly listen to you for hours on end
Retired traffic police men who teach advanced driving lessons, vision, progressing through the traffic, pedestrians, situation awareness, hazards and driving style. If you can find one these blokes they are awesome at delivering a life long skill for motorbike and car drivers.
Motorcycle policeman stopped me racing through our town.
Said he was sick of scraping young lads like us off the road and visiting the parents and siblings to give the bad news.
Offered me ex-police trainer course in lieu of booking me. I learned how and when to have fun speeding, and never had an accident afterwards!
It's so different today, the thought of future life for the young-uns scares the crap out of me! In 1978, I just walked into CIO in Nottm, there were 3 desks, army RN and RAF, and I said to the RAF Sgt, "you'll do, have you got any jobs"? I was in within 5-6 months, stayed there for 9 years, loved military life, and it set me up for life! Retired at 60, never drew a benefit, never been in trouble with the law.
Totally agree Tim. Walking into the CIO in Oldham in 1978 got me out of the council estate and labouring into the Air Force as an Armourer, technical training whilst being accommodated, fed and paid. Did a 12 year stint and grew up as a person and as a tradesman with transferable skills. Now at 62 I love life for what it is. The foundation in the military gives you the direction for your life career.
You are someone we need as an MP with Life expereince and common sense.
Your so right white young lads have been forgotten on so many levels across society.
I am cancer patient 34 paying £1,100 on rent in tiny one bedroom flat per month without the other bills on top. This country a mess.
My Dad was a Police Constable for 30 years. When he was at training college the instructors knew who would make a good officer and they would tell them a few of the answers when they were doing the written exams to make sure they got through and passed out. The instructors knew that a lot of the guys didn't have great educations and used their judgement and gave them a chance to shine. I bet that doesn't happen today!
It happens for ethnic minorities and women.
Possibly happens for DEI hires.
That’s a great comment. Very valid point and well said
No, favouritism is frowned upon. Rightly so.
I watched the documentary and immediately thought "I'm going to show this to my son!". I think someone once said "If we don't find something for our young men to do then they'll find something for themselves and that won't end well"! Great video, thanks.
if you don't have a plan you become part of someone elses plan
I lost 2 young friends within our first year of driving- both catapulted through the front windows. At the time some thought it was still "macho" to not wear a seatbelt. In those days though we could all drive like absolute loons. I have an 18 year old son and some companies quoted £15K for insurance. He has a 'black box' which constrains exuberant driving (I'd have hated it at his age) but I'm glad he has one.
My father, from a working class family, was one of the National service recruits in the 50s. He happened to have some O levels and was pushed into flying training as an officer in the RAF. It was the making of him and he made a career of it in the RCAF as well as the RAF over 35 years.. it definitely helped him with his social mobility!
Dad was a traffic officer in the 70's and 80's? Then he probably knew my dad. Whilst not an officer he was a police mechanic. First at Hulse Road Southampton and was then moved to Fareham when it shut. Knew an awful lot of the traffic cops and had some amazing stories. Sadly passed 4 weeks ago. Miss him loads. Love the vlogs, keep up the good work!
My grandad was the Road Safety Officer for Hampshire in the 50s to 70s!
A lot of the youth are waking up.That's why military enlistment is at an all time low. They understand who the oppressors really are.Why would anyone support our oppressors???
I don't think that Tim was talking about the university students with a preoccupation for social justice and victim mentality - I think he was talking about young, working class youths who need to get a good start in life.
Bollocks! You are talking utter bollocks! I was raised in a Family Regiment whose influence and traditions STILL sustain that ethos, despite the prevailing views of our political classes; and, it would appear, parts of our populace!
Tim, keep at them. The lads to which you refer are the essence of the English - adventurous, fit, ready, but needing encouragement and direction. Fruitful ground for great Non commissioned officers to shape and lead. Potential Tigers everyone.
"Help me I'm being oppressed" what a Dick!
And it's those men who are waking up. In an Orwellian way, no one is more asleep than the 'woke' @SixBadges
The essay about your dad is very moving, my dad was a traffic officer for 25 years, he's over 80 now and still generally fit and well, he never talked much about his job.
Thank you for your service, Mr Davies and that seems to be a common theme in your family. What has happened to the UK?
There are only a couple more weeks left to send a clear massage to the Uniparty, by voting for Reform!
Isn't Reform led by Nigel Farage ? As much an establishment skimmer as the rest of 'em. I agree we need to send a message loud and clear to the Uniparty, but I'm going to be voting for the independent candidate standing for which ever party. The establishment party with the huge party apparatus have been hollowed out from inside.
@@apflewis I support Patriotic Alternative, so I am not much of a Farage fan either but only Reform has the opportunity of properly scaring the Uniparty. Have you seen who Labour has put up against NF in Clacton? 😂
Tim, I Am 1 of 5, 4 of which are in military jobs. My boys are all military. My wife's Dad was a soldier. My No 1 son wrote to the recruiting agency, offering pickup points about what wouls attract him to join and was told the ads were not aimed at him: a natural marine, a 9 yeat Corporal at that time! We are military back to 1820. Yet some twat civvy would not target us got the Army?? My dad sent both boys to Boarding school to ensure our education. My brother became a Cpl metalsmith, a WIZARD with metal; and I finished as a Major after 36 years. The Regular Army used to have the tools to to establish and promote the willingness to learn! But now? The Govt has cut away so much of the Genuine ability to drag us up ...
Hi mate, good video. I live in Gosport, I haven’t seen this documentary yet but I think this is the crash that happened on the Southwick Road between the roundabout on Portsdown Hill & Wickham. If it is the crash I’m thinking of the sad part of it was that the lad who was killed always looked after his disabled sister & hardly ever went out apart from that night. Our friends used to look after the girl at weekends too & always said he was a nice lad. Very sad. 😔
Sorry to hear that, yes I think this was the same incident you describe.
It’s not new Tim. I worked in driver risk management for 6 years. Boys between 17-24 are more likely to die in a car accident. P.S got a daughter just don’t let her get in her boyfriend’s car!! I remember asking a young driver once who had a baby, do you think the way you drive has changed since you’ve had a baby. His reply, yes, I now am responsible for someone else.
Remember at that age if working and still living with mum and dad, lots of free cash, car finance on unlimited car types with limited restrictions on what they can drive. And that remains the same even if they were in the military as young men. Even at that age, there is limited fear and or responsibility.
Spot on Tim another 💯 truth bomb.
Tim, you are the product of a socially mobile police force that no longer exists.
I joined the police because I applied to the Navy to become a helicopter pilot with my nine, not very impressive, 'O' Levels and one 'H' Grade (Scottish equivalent of 'A' Levels) as I figured entry would be easier than for the RAF. I was sent to Biggin Hill where I passed selection and was sent onto Portsmouth where I flunked selection. I asked why I passed RAF selection and not Navy selection and was told "The ladies in the RAF have a nice stable runway to land on, we only have a tiny moving deck in the middle of the ocean to land on." I was offered a place to train as a navigator and like an idiot I turned it down because I was an idiot and. Nor did I even think of reapplying to the RAF. What a clown.
I was overqualified for the police so, naturally, they snapped me up however, most of the guys I joined with had fewer, if any, qualifications than me and most of them turned out to be great cops.
I'm sure I have mentioned this to you before but, we were rapidly superseded by university graduate cops who were suffering from the 1970's/80's unemployment situation in the country. They were bloody awful. These same people are running our dire police forces and, I suspect, our military right now which is why they are in the dire condition they are.
The fact is most of us who joined the police/nursing or the armed forces were so dumb we had to ask questions and thereby gained an intimate understanding of our employment environment. University types enter the workplace with all the answers, which are invariably wrong, because they skipped the important part of understanding their working environment.
My Dad, now passed was a police sergeant and said exactly the same it started back in the 70s, my brother joined as well and eventually hated it. The qualified idiots were fast tracked but clueless in how to do the job and even worse at communicating. Nursing became the same after changing it to a degree. I was an RN and seriously common sense is enough. Some, mostly women trained to get the degree and then never did the job, they used it as a way to get a paid for by the NHS degree.
I agree with everything you said. I also know that road in Portsmouth after doing a course at Southwick Park (ex HMS Daedalus I think), In 2008. There was a banging burger van there and Portsmouth looked amazing! Ex RAF. Joined in 1987. Wouldn't let my children join now.
HMS Dryad. Left the Army from DSPG last year
With you, Tim. Come from Portsmouth and moved to Fratton, then to Waterlooville, Catherington, Hambledon. Captain in the REME. Love you mate.
In 1977 as a 16 year old I was about to leave a large Comprehensive school in the north of England, during our final week all the boys (and there were about 100) were gathered together in the hall for a talk by a member of the local constabulary. The talk consisted of what not to get involved in the usual drink, drugs, antisocial behaviour, not getting in to bother etc. the wrap up I always remember. The bobby said “now lads there are about a hundred of you here today you might not have taken on board all I’ve said but I want you to look around you at all the chaps in this room today because statistically speaking one of you will be dead within the year, now I wish you all the luck in the world; just make sure it’s not you!” the room fell silent. That summer; talk forgotten one of our number went out one evening in some older kids car, drinks were partaken, fun had, but the inevitable happened the speeding car out of control on a blind bend hit a tree spinning round, an unlucky occupant not waring a seat belt was thrown clear of the vehicle but killed. Having heard the news I recalled the ‘Coppers’ closing remark!
Im a survivor of one of those accidents, took the police nearly a year to finally get the truth.. i was driving a heavily modded cosworth ,engine and roll cage, the other driver was a middle aged woman in a golf ... so naturally the police thought it was me .. managed to find a crucial witness and other driver was charged with driving with undue care . i spent the next 2 years learning to walk again and a further 3 getting fit enough to get through selection, sadly a few months in my legs gave up.. 25 years later i struggle every day with the result of what happened, on a plus side i was fortunate to have driving a car with roll cage and 4 point harness.. the only downside is how little help i got from the forces after all the effort i put in
One of the major steps I took from being a boy, to becoming a man was when I had to take that first step into a recruitment office. Looking back it didn't see like a big deal, but to a teenager that had zero life experience, just walking in and enquiring about joining the Army, was a major 'first step' in life.
Found your channel by happy accident.Im a night-shift worker with a lots of time to 'tube surf'.Love your content.Informative and entertaining,look forward to more videos.Many thanks.
You should run as an MP for Reform
As a current collision investigator (independent version of what your dad did, with the Police - thank you for your videos, incidentally, helping me become this after failing to join the RAF).
I totally agree with what you said. All people should go through extra tests and information while driving. It's horrible for the families of the victims and the "perps". There can be far more done to stop it!
1st. Fast jet performance. Good upload, Tim.
Tim you know I drive motorcycles.Ive noticed the standard of car drivers has dropped to a horrifying level ,less bikes means less people think bike ,but all in its madness where the passes are coming from .
Take care, people are driving without licenses and insurance and they really are not looking for motorcycles.
@@FastJetPerformance Yes. The recent arrivals probably on an international driving permit if you're lucky!! They drive as if they have had half a dozen lessons if that
@@Isochest yes, I saw a guy who looked like a migrant in a car today, all over the road, gesticulating to his passenger, I can't imagine they all have insurance.
My father was a traffic
Officer (MET) and agree about the grisly job and the need to report accidents.
The problem as I see it is that we are now witnessing the first generation of youngsters that many of which were nothing more than cash cows for their parents. Unloved and unwanted but the government payed enough money in child support so the parents who know how to play the system didn’t have to work. The kids grow up knowing nothing else and have little to no self esteem and end up doing the same. Pride doesn’t even enter into the equation anymore. How many of these kids, even if they were shown an open door, would actually walk through it?
My Dad tells similar stories about the police force, they were expected to be accident investigators, bereavement councillor's and everything else as well.
Once again, awesome Tim👍🏻
Keep importing the 3rd word and you get this
I did schools liaison during my time as the area beat sergeant for Paulsgrove. Used to live on the estate myself in the mid 70’s. It had a bit of a reputation…….many good folk amongst the very bad. Those schools were an oasis of normality for many of those kids.
My first time watching thank you for your post 😊
Thanks Ross, good to meet you buddy.
My 18 year old grandson just qualified for driving a bus after the required 6 months driving a car. He was still quoted £11k for a car insurance but in the day he drives a bus with 80 passengers. His parents have no money, are in rented but that shouldn’t stop them helping their kids to move up. He will earn £30k with the potential to move up and he absolutely loves it. Bus companies are crying out for drivers.
How does he get that insurance cost down, that's ridiculous?
I failed my entry in 93, but the sergeant helped me to get in the engineers for 10 years
was in the first golf war, he helped me
Hi Tim - watched that documentary on BBC iPlayer (it doesn't seem to be there right now) - and actually worked at the same place as the 'driver' Danny. Even after spending time inside, he was still a lairy wide-boy, but obviously wasn't driving at the time. As for Careers Offices - you're 100% correct. I walked into one in my hometown to join the RAF as a pilot and was rejected (needed A-Levels?!?!) so ended up not joining the services (I had been in the Air Training Corp). Wish I'd known I could have flown in the Navy!!!
Agree with what you have been saying. My dad was a veteran, if he was still here, he woul be disgusted with the way our youth and Country are.
I did my basic training in the royal artillery then left, i also spent 20 years of my life training young men who wanted a military career, i stopped about 10 years ago because of a corrupt government and missuse of our young men and now i stear them away from it
Tim i particularly love this video, ive got 2 kids and this resonates
As a teenager, my choices were to go on the dole or join the military. Damned if I was going to spend my life on the dole.
I always loved aircraft so I joined the RAF. 30 years of aircraft maintenance later I had to retire and start a new career.
I still see people from my school days who never got a full-time job. Some have been in and out of prison.
The military definitely saved me.
I lost an 18yr old brother in a car accident 30 0dd yrs ago , and I’ll never forget seeing the police car coming up the drive first thing in the morning. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone . He was the sober driver but must have gone to sleep after dropping the last passenger off and crossed into an oncoming truck .
I would love to see every kid do a defensive driving course as part of their license . I think the problem goes deeper though. Lack of respect for authority is a major problem, from parents to teachers , police etc . 12 months basic military training might go a little way to sorting some of that out . Having decent roll models in positions of authority is also part of that though .
I’ve watched that program Tim. I found it sad for the family who lost their son. I can’t think of anything worse than losing a child. When it comes to opportunities for the young, I believe another source of recruitment, which has mostly disappeared are military shows. Navy Days, RAF Air Displays and Army Shows. I used to take my son to lots of military events. He’s just left the Royal Navy after serving over 20 years as an Artificer in the Fleet Air.
Very good point about the shows.
I'm ex RAF, retired Police, current driving instructor and father to a 17 year old lad.
The idea of groups of young lads out in cars together really worries me. The recent tragedy in Wales is a case in point.
My lad will me getting taught some extra skills.
No doubt you know plenty of resources considering background, but Car Limits a fun one for learning your own limits and the car's. I certainly drove a lot slower after realising how talented I wasn't... Cost of insurance is keeping ours off the roads, thankfully. Worry is passed along, however, as one of their friends will inevitably drive.
A step in the right direction would/will be voting Reform 🗳.
Immigration has to be stopped for at least 5 years to get our young adults into a trade, a job, a career, hope. 🙏🏼✝️🏴🇬🇧
I was based in Portsmouth ands came from a broken home Tim. I think you're blanket throwing this over people. You've done really well but the military doesn't just take anyone anymore
I think I agree with you 100%. Most of us did silly things in cars as young men, but I can't help but think that this lad was just flat out stupid and his cousin was a liar and unremorseful for his actions. To not understand the limits of the car is one thing, but to hand the keys over to someone who could barely stand was just stupid. I will say, I don't know his upbringing, and perhaps he lacked a father figure as is often the case nowadays.
3:07 - an exercise I used to do often when driving or riding (fast bikes) was, when comfortably cruising at any speed on fast roads or sometimes hooning it at supra-legal speeds, to visualise going off into the scenery. It's quite sobering - modern vehicles are so effortlessly fast, track like arrows (usually) and people are simply oblivious to the massive kinetic energy involved and how it will make itself known if the car or bike suddenly _isn't_ smoothly tracking that ribbon of tarmac.
A cantankerous old guy I knew that was also a successful national level racer used to advocate all road cars having a huge spike on the steering wheel to focus the driver's mind on the consequences of getting it wrong. I'm thinking he had a point...
@@davidgavin7280 'Risk Compensation' is a thing!
I passed my driving test in Portsmouth. 😀
A nephew of mine, Jack, aged 18, was killed in a similar car crash near Denmead. Four in the car - two were killed - the other two walked away with barely a scratch.
May not have changed as much as you fear - anecdotally one of ours got accepted into the marines last year with similar a-level grades to you, having quit university. There are still opportunities. Whether there's widespread desire to join the forces and fight for a bunch of self-serving criminals is another thing.
Mate of mine (Former RMP monkey) worked in army careers/recruitment in the twilight of his career just as thing were moving to Capita. He often speaks of what a clusterfuck it was then trying to get bodies in. I can only imagine it's worse now as the unit recruiting teams are much much smaller. I'm not even sure there's an office in Sheffield these days.
That said kids will be kids and feck about in cars to try and impress their mates.
I've occasionally thought that something like a REME course at school would benefit boys (possibly girls as well) with 'structural thinking' and cooperation/teamwork, possibly first aid training thrown in for good measure alongside disaster relief - I'd have been up for it as (I think) would most of the kids I grew up with.
I walked in to Guildford careers office in 83 and the Royal Marine sergeant there made you do 10 chin ups on a bar in the skylight before he would talk to you about what you wanted to do. He'd get sued now.
Same happened to me and a college mate in 1983 in Staffordshire, after a few beers we walked in the recruitment office and my mate cheekily said (to the Royal Marines Colour Sergeant) “I want to be your boss”. Ok he said “let’s see 15 wide arm pull-ups and we can talk about it”. I managed it but my cheeky mate hung there like a dead bat and scurried home. I joined the RN 4 months later but my mate was still living with his parents when he was 35 with his mum still making his bed for him.😮
Opportunity lost right there for him, but I think the Colour Sergeant was totally fair as my mate wouldn’t have hacked the training.
They'd definitely changed things when I went to a careers office in the late 00s and said I want to be a pilot, got told I needed both Maths and English at C or above; only had a D in English so got told to bugger off essentially. (And they didn't accept those useless Key Skills qualifications either!)
I actually did retake my English GCSE and eventually got the C, but by that time I'd taken a chair to the arse and got fat
Love your vids. Fellow Patriot.....
I'm a mid 30's electrical maintainence engineer, on a good salary. I can only afford a dismal 1 bedroom flat or maisonette whereas on an equivalent income, the previous generation could afford much bigger property in which to have a family and raise children. I don't want to face these poor housing prospects and I am in the process of joining the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. The advantage of this is that I can spend my leave away from the UK and own property abroad which is much better value for money. The UK has imported the third world, now we've become the third world for many of its citizens.
Good thinking. The UK is being turned from a nation into a plantation
So many young men, me included say ' there but for the grace of God go I!' So many of us had very narrow escapes in our cars just after passing our driving test. Loosing control at a bend going too fast into it, was top of the list I'm sure. Ego and false pride in not wanting too be seen chicken was another. Very, Very sad for the boy's that their luck ran out. I was one of the lucky ones. 😢❤
Valid observation, Mate. I thought that situation only applied in the US.
I work in an energy from waste plant as an operations engineer,(Im ex RAF sigs) 75% of the engineers working on the plant are ex forces with most being ex navy. Its not only the forces that will suffer what about all the roles currently filled by ex forces guys especially the power industry. Who will run the plants?
Great video some great points made
The UK has some of the lowest social mobility in the world.... and it's undoubtedly getting worse over time.
It’s not what you know but who you know. I had a friend who worked for one of the big computer companies and he said there were some departments where unless you went to Oxford/Cambridge it wasn’t even worth applying. So you could have a genius but he/she was of less value than some idiot from Oxford who might have a drinkers degree. Is it any wonder this country is now run by idiots from Eton?
11:20 “Doing something worth while, they can be proud of”. Iraq. Afghanistan. This is the problem. Who wants to be a tool/cog in a machine that gets things so horribly wrong that millions suffer.
Spot on Tim and as well as equity destroying everything, nepotism is on the rise as well. Meritocracy is ending as we speak and I am sure it won't be long before out Government create a new modern Kings German Legion, or ramp up Gurkha numbers because they cannot be bothered to go back to the age old, successful Army recruiting model!
Tim the social contract was destroyed a long time ago.
He lives in a house a very big house in the country...
You are talking so much sense Sir, why can't the powers that be see it.
I am 54 next month, My dad covered the Ambulance for the town I was brought up in rural Scotland, he would do similar, come in covered in blood, talk about his day, mum was a nurse in the theatre, of the hospital its how they met, so they would both talk shop to destress, he would be in tears if there was incidents that corresponded to the age of my sister and I, the amount of stress he went through can only be expressed as - the town is now smaller, instead of a single ambulance it now has two, and the coverage area is 1/4 and they still consider they lack resources. Mum had it a bit easier, but still both my parents had to struggle to keep a roof over our heads.
Boy racer - passed my test crashed dads car, completely wrote it off - totalled it, don't know how I got out was standing beside the wreck which was pancaked. After that I took advanced driving lessons off my own back. 100% I found all limits of the car, did more advanced driving in RAF too, but as young man I thought I was invincible, there isn't much we can do about that, but if those youngsters were off the road, and not cruising around bored - its not just social mobility, its also cultural cohesion, the family units are broken, we had it better but at least one can recognise some of the problems.
Careers office, HM Forces, related impact to my sons:
When I went to sign up to HMF, I went to careers presentations for both Navy and RAF, and careers office - eventually to join RAF, Biggin hill, different stuff ended up in comms, and PVR'd early as I didn't agree UK politics recanted my attestation.
That aside the mobility was great, opened my eyes to a wider UK and rest of world, - so after leaving, starting a family etc, I moved around a lot with my sons as little kids, and showed them a lot more about life etc, inspired by me, eldest flew the nest and works in Gibraltar, youngest 18 just flew the nest to stay with his brother. There is nothing for the kids in UK, nor here in Spain either, I live up the mountains way past Malaga, however by showing my sons, a wider aspect of the world, moving around, changing countries and ensuring they were both fully bilingual, written and spoken, whilst not academic (due moving around), they both had enough life experience to stand for themselves.
That experience came from me, which is understandable, but my experience and discipline, attitude came from a lot of bollockings, a lot of fun, and the work hard play hard ethics I had in the UK forces.
Is there an example that correlates to your comments - yes:
Gibraltar.
How does that relate UK and Gibraltar etc, well Gibraltar still has the more traditional sort of army cadets, for the Gib regiment and also has the RAF cadets, with the community being insular on the small peninsula connected to Spain the kids in Gibraltar still have a lot to do, there is the university etc, and whilst it all has it flaws, being a micro community the attitude of the kids in Gibraltar their outlook and approach differs a lot to those of my family and friends in UK and Spain.
Finally.
So whilst my politics and UK differ,
I resonate 100% with all of what you said, and have commonality in my own experiences with my dad too - I whole heartedly agree with you.
After thoughts,
Parents have to be aware of the social construct and its limitations, they also have accountability, but having a careers office, local TA regiment, (territorial army / volunteer reserve) marching, and some visibility around the town when I grew up 70's/80's I would see the TA doing drills, I would see the cadets, - that has all gone from the town in UK too, the community centre the town had long since closed, so what do the kids have now, its much less than I had when I grew up,
( Gibraltar still has that and it works.- and the British Gibraltarian kids aspire to do something patriotic for Gibraltar / UK, - the community cohesion is still present, in Gib whilst its absent throughout a lot of UK)
I'm glad I took an unorthodox approach and dragged my kids from country to country, much like I experienced when changing postings. The RAF gave me a chance to shine, and taught me discipline which still serves me to date. If I'd not seen the big boys marching in uniform with SLR's and constant buzz of RAF aircraft, I wouldn't have thought to join the forces. It was made easy with the joint forces careers office, whom like any decent high street sales outfit, sold me on the idea.
Thank you. nb I cannot watch the netflix documentary even on VPN just tried.
New sub, thanks.
The other day I was watching something about the history of the Mountain Leaders in the army. So I thought I'd see what the official UK military page said about them. The first thing I noticed was the title in the tab "Moutain Leader", so not only was it spelt incorrectly but it has not been spell checked. That is the level the Forces have sunk to.
Totally agree, Back in the day we had a meritocracy in this country and had it not been for that I would not be typing this now. Born in a part bombed house with one cold tap and an outside loo. Granddad Killed in the first war, Dad "tapped" in the second. One of three boys born in the East End. You could be as good as you could be back then. Education and particularly PolyTech was my route.. ONC, HNC and learn on the job. That Post war generation still had cohesion and a burning desire to make UK a much better place to be. Not so now. Sullen and broken, selfish and insular and totally lacking in confidence. Let down by its "leaders". Sad.
The ATC Cadet flying programme is a total disgrace, all the gliders scrapped at tax payers expense. Yet my dad learned to fly with them in his day, I've known many people who've come up that way into Aviation, and it's real. Tremendous thing for the CV and a great start to a flying career, and all free (save the hard work). Growing up a generation later, as a kid I both learned a huge amount from older pilots and also learned early the implications of getting things wrong, and the integrity required to be safely around flying machines. The ATC cadet programme needs a re-boot.
To be fair and whilst I agree that ATC flying opportunities are too few the glider fleet was not scrapped. The Vigilant fleet of motor gliders were withdrawn due to errors in record keeping and maintenance but they have not been replaced. However, the Viking gliders still operate at 13 (?) site around the UK as do the Grob Tutors of the UAS/AEF fleet.
I was a pub landlord in Paulsgrove, while we could say most were a lovable rouge character, I don't see the military offering anything to these guys. Yes I've been shot at, dealt with a person wanting to shot a fellow customer, firebombed, smokebombed, theft, assualted etc. etc. Yes, I had some customers kill themselves driving cars/motorbikes round Paulsgrove, good ridence to one or two. As a ex-military man and dealing up front and personal to the youths in the area, no you are wrong the military could offer nothing to these people. Yes again, zero social mobility and failing schools, I was a school governor to one of the local schools , this is a totally manufactured situation of the state system. The schools in the area only attract poor/low quality teachers who fail the pupils right through to leaving school as adults. So maintaining zero social mobility as these kids have no chance, so it is not military service that will help but a decent and fair education would give them the best oppertunity in life. But then the social barriers being erected in every profession to prevent the lower classes bettering themselves, as you say the military is adopting these barriers.
What I will say the Southern lads of Portsmouth would be eaten alive by the tougher lifestyle in the Midlands or the North I'm afraid, it is real harder life and lads. I will say I found Portsmouth Police corrupt and dishonest and could never trust them to see an old lady across the road. But not as corrupt and dishonest as the Midlands Police, I could write a book on their dishonesty and corruption, I have never met an honest Policeman. My brother was a Police Inspector and his wife a WPC as well as a detective in the family!
I appreciate your views, many thanks.
Does the preponderance of officers not prove social mobility? That in itself drains the ranks in the time when everyone gets a trophy and no one fails anymore.
Regards your brothers and sisters, im sure they say the same about how proud they are of their siblings..... "one of them was\is a fast jet pilot!!!!"
If you want a young guy to drive safely, take them to a racetrack. I raced for years at National level in Canada, got damm good at driving and crashed a lot of racecars with an ambulance standing by and now everyone complains how slow and safe I drive on the road. Ya, I have a trophy cabinate at home that says i'm the best driver in Canada, I don't need an accident on the way home from work.
Racing is an extremely expensive hobby even at club level today.
@@davidgavin7280 yes it is, makes me really sad that competition is so expensive now, but you don’t have to spend much to go rental kart racing or take a banger to track days. Motor bike racing is much cheaper and even things like joining a gliding club are generally quite affordable and have the same effect.
The fact is driving fast is bloody fun and I do it a lot, just not on the road.
I agree with much of what you say. Successive British Governments are to blame for cutting our armed forces to shamefully low levels in order to pursue their own preferred objectives.
I don't think the level of support for our ex- servicemen and women is anywhere near adequate either. Too many homeless vets suffering mental health problems from PTSD after being involved in wars. It seems our Government chews them up and spits them out.
I have several members of my family in the services. I am very proud of them and what they have achieved in life.
One of my great-nephews, recently tried to join the Parachute Regiment but was turned down. He had his heart set on the Paras and didn't want to join any other Regiment.
I think the re-introduction of National Service might be a good idea. It would give young people a 'flavour' of the services to see if they liked and enjoyed it, as well as giving them some discipline and pride in their Nation.
I don't think we can keep importing emigrants from other countries to act as a 'band- aid' for our deficiencies. We need to train our own indigenous people to fill these roles.
The rate of migrants coming to the UK is unsustainable.
It puts too much pressure on housing, schools; NHS; GP services and available jobs.
We have to find a better way for our Nation and all its people.
Best wishes to you and all who have served.
It should come as no surprise that opportunities for youngsters has gone down directly linked to mass migration.
House to wage ratio needs to always be between 3 and 4.
The level of poverty and homeless families has increased exponentially and social mobility has virtually stopped due to mass immigration which government uses to push growth which pushes land and property prices exponentially whilst keeping wages at rock bottom. The alternative for a lot of poor kids is county lines and not working for low pay and no future. Whole parts of the major cities are broken by neglect and lack of worth while job opportunities. There is no easy answer to the state the country is now in.
There is not much that compares to taking yourself and your vehicle to the limit.
If your taking yourself 'to the limit' on a public road you're certainly not fit to take your car to the limit. I've driven at 200mph on a UK road and I wasn't taking either myself or the vehicle to the limit though I was certainly making the consequences of a failure worse. But anyone pushing themself to 'the limit' is a chump waiting to ruin other people's lives
@@davidgavin7280 😂😂
Thanks!
Thank you Diane, hugs coming to you today x
Frankly it's a good thing non-tech savvy kids can't walk into a careers office and sign up. Anything that keeps people out of the Wokery/Military is a good thing. This country isn't worth their sacrifice.
I agree
The "offer" that is military service for the UK in 2024 is terrible
@@davidgavin7280 not even a good pension anymore. They screwed everyone while I was in around 2008.
"... I speak to guys in the careers offices ... things have changed ..." CRAPITA, yes ?
"We need houses for young people ..." The base houses in the now disused air force base near here, are all boarded up - could be used as 'social housing'.
It's on Tubi for anyone in the states like me
Hi from Milton 👍
saw that yesterday, initially thought a load of losers\chavs etc etc. but yes, if they had some structure
ole models etc they may have turned out differently.
I’d argue some points here - you can go into most libraries and use the internet for free. There are a lot of free internet wi fi areas such as cafes and supermarkets. I think you would need to see more evidence of who has smart phones in the age range 16 to 20 rather than saying ‘not everyone has one’ I would say likely pretty much everyone has one.
The military is a great place to learn a trade, to get a steady income and to mature socially and financially. If only the recruiters would do a better job!
Its all going according to plan ...
As long as the rich get richer and the powerful get more powerful .... Nothing is really a problem.....
The clamour for the upper ranks, the degree requirements (like a degree is the way to be a good street copper??) missing are the artisans. That’s the police as well as the military Tim. Where are the wise patrol sergeants?, the rank that was the glue, the bonding, the leader? Why this drive for academia? OK I got my degree from Portsmouth Uni - whilst I was in the job - that’s doing it the hard way - but it didn’t replace my street skills or what I’d learnt about managing people to help them shine, to mentor them and to advise them. I don’t see this anymore.
Yes, it's all become very unnecessarily academic.
Hi from Waterlooville 👍
Waterlooville massive woop woop!
Mate of mine when we were young & stupid use drive down pigeon house lane with his foot down on the accelerator And would keep turning his lights on / off . How he didn’t crash the car I’d never know . 🤦🏼♂️
@@berniewragg4460 MAD LAD!
N and 2 E’s - oh I’m glad I’m not alone.
But even with those grades I eventually got into Brum Poly, and built a career that I couldn’t do now. Self taught cyber security gnu yet I look at the young people coming into the industry and the loops and hurdles they have to overcome just to get a foot in the door would have barred me from this life. It’s not just the Military, it’s society as a whole. 10 years ago part of my job was looking at graduate engineering intakes for a global automotive company. At that point a decision was made to not even look at undergraduate degrees and just go for Masters. Social mobility was possible for our Gen X, but it’s been missing now for at least 2 decades.
WRT driving, IAM Skill for Life is the way to go. Teaches enhanced hazard awareness, correct car control and corner assessment to name but a few, using theory from Roadcraft (the Police non blue light driving manual). Used to be older drivers, but they've really opened it up now, even to those who've just passed their test. Probably the best investment you can make for a new driver, there's a small fee to do it, but lessons are free in your car or an advanced driving instructors. Lots of them are ex coppers and the examiners are generally ex police traffic officers too, so a lot of experience and quality assessment
Good knowledge on the advanced driving and thank you for passing that on, that's a great comment and I'll direct people to it.
Tim great discussion points, however factors in this crash
Alcohol , driver had 9pints and a kebab before going for a drive.
7 mobile phones found in the car! (And texts help prove who was driving)
The driver fled the scene (no moral fibre)
I got into the RAF as a pilot trainee with just 5 O levels. My mum worked at cadburys and my dad was a docker.
The system now is broken and the govt won’t fix it. The community has to take it on. We need funding and youth associations to resurge.
You can aspire to anything if you apply yourself. However culture and the state of the nation now has county lines running amok and til tok mentality. (A teenager is bored after 5 seconds nowadays) scary. Parents need to man up and grow a pair. Take the streets back if the gangs. Bring society back into order.
It really is a small world.