Absolutely wonderful teaching, thank you very much! I will search out Dr Kruger and dig deeper. These are questions which have perplexed for ages and the answers are there in scripture. Thanks too, to the interviewer, you asked some great questions and I will look out for your book, too.
Hello Grace. We are glad to hear you were blessed by this Seminar. An additional resource by Dr. Michael Kruger that may be beneficial to you is The New Testament Canon Teaching Series. Watch the entire series online: www.ligonier.org/learn/series/new-testament-canon. If you have additional questions, please contact our Care Team by emailing them at service@ligonier.org.
@@ligonier thanks very much for your reply and the link to more resources. Dr Kruger is such a clear speaker and teacher,I know I will enjoy them and digging deeper.
I appreciate this teaching. The research I did alines with this. The Canon is as supernatural as the Scriptures. The Book is indestructible because it is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man.
Anastasia, Did Christians in the early Church reading Paul's letter to the Church of Laodicea, know it was not Holy Scripture? Why are Paul's other letters written to the Philippians, not Holy Scripture? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
This guy is awesome! One thing he left out, and probably because he didn't have the time, but Hebrews is riddled with verses and Concepts from the Old Testament. In fact, it is essentially an Old Testament book with commentary from a new testament perspective. It is very valid from that point of view.
"Because there's so many different views out there no one view can be right" except for that ONE view that "no one view can be right". Those running from truth ALWAYS defeat their own position 🤗
So how come I never get to sit next to someone awesome like Dr. Kruger when I fly??? :-) What fun would that be to pick his brain for a couple of hours! Thanks for what you do to serve the Lord Dr. Kruger!
Could someone give me a great scholarly place to look into this history of the cannon or both believers and non believers so I can debate better thanks.
Friend, I don't know your situation or the circumstances you are dealing with, but if you are a follower of The Lord, Jesus Christ -- having turned from deciding your own goals and plans for your life, and instead trusted in Christ Jesus to save you from your own evil ways and teach you His good ways -- then there is a promise in Scripture for you, and every believer; _"God shall supply all your needs, in accord with His riches in glory in Christ Jesus"_ - Philippians 4:19 Please note, this does not mean everything you 'want', but instead, everything you 'need' to be a true disciple of your Lord. Now it's important to look at the lives of the first disciples of Christ Jesus, and especially the 12 who became His apostles; and they did not have lives full of luxury and good food and money. Instead they had very difficult lives, suffering many hard times and eventually being murdered for their trust in Jesus. Similarly, the Lord Jesus himself had a very difficult life, his step-father Joseph likely died when Christ was still a young man, his brothers and even his mother didn't believe that He was right to go around teaching Israel about The Kingdom of God; he was accused of being a blasphemer and a devil-worshipper by the religious leaders of Israel, and even His disciples argued with Him, then even ran away from Him when Christ was captured and then crucified. So when we talk about being a true follower of The Lord, we have to remember that anyone who commits themselves to the discipline of following His ways, will walk a similar path to that which the Lord Jesus walked: picking up a cross of their own, and following Him in a death march as their Sin is destroyed by God. And please remember the words of the Lord, that anyone who is not committed to following Him in this way, is not worthy of Him: and anyone who is not sharing in the sufferings of Christ -- being disciplined by their hard circumstances, by God -- is not a true son of God; because God disciplines those whom He loves. Now if you believe you are a follower of Jesus according to the principles I have mentioned, and can see that God is using the difficult circumstances you are dealing with to sanctify you, and conform you to the image of His Son -- making you like Jesus, humble and patient and enduring all things -- then you can trust the promise of Philippians that God will give you everything you need, from the treasure house that _is_ Christ Jesus; empowering you to stay loyal and persevere, even if you are poor and betrayed and suffer all manner of evil things from the hands of men. But if you believe that you are entitled to a happy, healthy and prosperous life because you took the name of Christian for yourself, then you have taken the name of Christ in vain, and you don't actually belong to Him yet -- so you need to turn from that wicked self-deception, and turn to look at the life of Christ and His early disciples to see what it really means to be a real Christian. And after looking at this truth, then place your trust in Him to help you believe in His saving power, and His ability to give you the strength to endure the hardships of this short time here on Earth. And if anyone tells you that God wants you to be happy and rich and healthy and live in luxury in this life, they are a deceiver and not a child of God; because throughout the Bible we see God employ very hard and horrible circumstances to discipline His people, washing out their sinful desires so that they learn to love Him more than anything else, as pure and clean children of The Father. Again, I don't know your circumstances so this is something I pray for you, and will continue to pray that you receive from His hand: The ability to trust in Christ Jesus no matter how difficult your life is, so that when you finally pass from this short life into eternal glory with your Lord, you will hear "Well done, good and faithful servant: you have been faithful with little, so I will put you in charge of many riches to be faithful with for Eternity." And if I have totally misunderstood your situation, then I am sorry, but I will still continue to pray that God gives you everything you need, just as He has _promised._ ~
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Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ? The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6). God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes. The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through repentance and faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16; Acts 20:21). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31). Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14). I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
As an evangelical Christian who wanted to use this for apologetics, this video did a poor job answering the title question... It needs much more detail and exposition on the actual history.
@@saywhat8476 The 500 year old system of Protestantism with its pillar dogma of sola scriptura has NEVER given a satisfying answer to this question and never will and never can. The late R.C. Sproul gave the most illogical statement ever heard trying to answer (justify ?) this question.....”The Bible is a fallible list of infallible books.” How can the result be greater than the source? Protestantism is illogical and anti-historical and antiChristian and antiBiblical. Causing nothing but confusion and division in Jesus’s ONE Body for 500 years with no end in sight. They just make it up as they go along it seems. What confidence can they have in Scripture AT ALL if they agree with Sproul? The Bible they use as their one and only Rule of Faith may contain material not meant to be there or NOT include books meant to be there! They are to be pitied. I pray every day for the reunion of all Christians. Please Holy Spirit, guide them back to Mother Church, Jesus’s ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church! AMEN.
So people can simply recognize the books as authoritative and cannot make mistakes in recognising? Having many canons until the canon was settled actually shows us that its not as easy you want to make it sound. Yes the books had authority from the beginning, however the question is, how did they know which books had authority and which ones had none? That is the question you avoided to answer.
Shakespeare's Folio was in contention for years. But when all of his plays were assembled, the text of the plays clearly bore his signature style. Likewise, the canonical books revealed themselves to be inspired and authentic by their content. Apocryphal does not bear the same inspiration or Authoritative content although sometimes being helpful with some historical or cultural elements.
Erhman would have no argument if we were to stick with the majority text. 26:00 Reformers knew about these other text that did not include verses John 7:53-8:11 and the ending of Mark 16 and rejected the notion that they were not a part of the original text. John Calvin and John Gill rejected these other texts in their commentaries. The fact that scholars today are rejecting the TR for these other MSS and calling them earlier and more reliable is baffling at best and looks more like intended corruption at worse on behalf of haters of God's word. We cannot allow Unbelievers to publish new "bibles" based off a "new variant" so as to eventually lead believers away from God's Truth.
False. Catholics added those books-books that were rejected for very good reasons. They contain theological inconsistencies, as well as historical and scientific errors. How could one consider such texts to be "inspired and inerrant"?
@@jessebryant9233 Brother read a bit of history. Even Luther wanted to cut out James, Revelation & Hebrews. The Eastern Orthodox canon far pre-dates the Protestant canon. You think it's not inspired? What book in the Catholic canon is not inspired?
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28 KJV Jesus lives Jesus Christ is Lord For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23 KJV Jesus loves you repent You're a sinner in need of a Savior That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10 KJV
he describes a giant jesus leaving the tomb followed by the giant talking cross in a way that he's trying to show how ridiculous it is, but there are many things canonically in the bible that are just as ridiculous, or even more so. so I don't think him saying "look how wacky this gospel was" is really a good argument for why it isn't canonical.
@@jessebryant9233 The Catholic Church decided which books would be included in The Hoy Bible and created the book itself. Literally. If you read The Early Church Fathers (the writings of the primitive Church, the Disciples of The Apostles), you'd get the full Christian historical narrative of how the Bible would come to be. 🙂 No "bible" existed before The Catholic Church produced it in the 4th Century. It's the oldest Bible in existence and has been proved to date back 1,700 years. All other denominational bibles are based on our Bible. The christian churches that came 1600 years after the Roman Church (see the "Book of Romans" in scripture) just took out the parts that talked about Catholic teachings so they could justify creating their own man-based churches that held fealty to men & countries (aka Lutheranism, King James "version" bible, Church of England, etc...). Of course, I'm just stating objective facts here. These can be corroborated by learning historical Christianity (not religious dogma or personal spiritual beliefs, but from academic sources). I wouldn't push my personal beliefs in a secular discussion. 🙂
Well, it’s more that the early Church recognized what had been accepted as the Canon. To call it the Roman Catholic Church back at 400 is anachronistic.
@@YankeeWoodcraft Yeah, never got a notice on this one... But no, the Catholic Church did not "decide" the canon, the canon was "recognized"... And "the Church" included books known to contain historical and scientific errors because those books supported some of the pagan notions that slipped into the Catholic teachings early on... And by definition, you can't have an official "bible" until there is a "bible"-a canon... And took out which parts? Can you be more specific? ... Objective facts? I don't think so... Or, how about just cutting to the chase and answering the most important question: What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Roman Catholic Church?
@@jessebryant9233 Nah, they had a vote on it and everything. The books were debated over, some were included, others were left out, and they created the first canon of the New Testament in the 5th Century. Before they did that, it never existed. Of course, if you can show me some historical evidence besides the Council of Trent, let's see your date(s), the names of the councils, those Church Fathers involved in deciding the canon...you know...the facts. Otherwise, you just expressed opinions with zero references or evidence. 😊
Yor half right and half wrong.their are many translations but the bible says their is no private interprataton of the scriptures.the main message,man is a sinner and needs the saviour .
Yes and further decernment is lacking with many as they do not ask from God the spirit of decernment, there are over 200 different books purporting to be bibles but are not. Corrupt teachers that are devils corrupting Gods inerrant word kept for all generations without error. Roman Catholicism is an abomination.
good subject matter for sure. volume ( gain ) is too low. even with amplification, volume is too low. It is nice to hear Bible teachings and history while working in my shop, etc. cannot hear this one well. I can hear all others but, not this one unless I stop what I am doing and sit in front of it. I do not need to see anything here. I (we ) need to hear it so, audio is much more important. thank you otherwise
I really disagree with michael Kruger on the ending of Mark and John. Scholars debate this point often. The ending of Mark is mentioned by Polycarp as being written by Mark. I do not believe the Egyptian manuscripts are corrupt, but nearly every Greek manuscript agrees that the ending of mark was written by Mark. He is making his assumption based on "lack of evidence". The problem with this is, that is the worst form of evidence.
interpolation not just happen with mark ending but many other small verses , even in textus receptus though they know that trinity verses of johannine comma is not original butvthey added it
"How Did We Get the Bible?" Kind Sirs...that is one of my best loved questions...For 69 yrs of my "Born Again" life; I was taught and I believed it; that "God" inspired ALL writers to created a book called the "Bible". And it was "Inerrant and Infallible!". Thus, I believed that all of those 69 yrs. However in my 75 yr I finally got on my knees; and cried out to Jesus (who IS God); to give me "Wisdom, Understanding and the Truth. Amen. I did this because I realized (and it was already there) that there are over 3,000 "Denominations, Doctrines and Dogmas" all over the world. Worse: Their thesis' were all different. And they all said, "We are right and YOU are wrong! And WE get ours from the Bible!" Get this! I could not deal with that. And that is why I prayed as I did... So today (I'm 90, next Tuesday); I do NOT believe ANY bible is "innerant Infallible". For ALL of them have enumerable "errors, contradictions, adds and changes, etc". AND...that is why the differences; all over the world. Sad and silly. May Jesus have mercy on us; for letting that happen... Now, I said all the above, to say this...NO one can discern the "errors", etc; from the "truths"; UNLESS they pray to Jesus ONLY; to give them "wisdom, understanding* and the truth". AMEN! Could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES!, But all others could be wrong Also... ...In any case kind Sirs and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN! * To understand "How we got the bible"; I would strongly suggest you check out the following. And watch it all. For it is very long. But it has things most Christians could not fathom; but we do NEED it. And it WILL help you to learn; exactly "how" we got our bibles. "english-bible-history" from "greatsite"
"by middle of 2nd c we have 22 of the 27 books" True. This is a testament to Sacred Tradition at work. Yet this also raises questions not answered in the interview. - WHO determined the full 27 book canon ? - WHAT else did they believe and profess ? - WHY was the 27 book NT canon put together ? - WHERE did they meet to decide this 27 book canon? - WHEN did they do so ? - HOW - by what criteria did they use to determine what was and was not these full 27 books? - “the authority is not from the Church it is from God, that is a very important distinction”. It's not either or but both. God works his agency through men, through his Church. The Holy Spirit both worked through the human writers AND worked through the Church to determine which writings were canon - and which were not. Keep in mind : - The Church is the Pillar of Truth - The Church is the Bulwark of Truth - The Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. - Christ PROMISED to lead His Church to ALL Truth. And ... one must ask ... when this Church decided on the 27 book NT canon for ALL time, just HOW did it error - and error GREATLY in saying the Old Testament canon was 46 books? Just HOW does the Holy Spirit work, consistently or inconsistently? Did Jesus break his promise, to lead his Church to ALL Truth or was he really saying that he would do his best ... but his Church would error on doctrine - and for a long time - for 1,100 years until Catholic men in Central Europe corrected those men much earlier on the OT canon?
The authority of the Bible rests in its author, God. And it tells us to have nothing to do with false teachers... they should be removed from whatever positions they hold not treated with any respect at all. They are deceived deceivers.
The Old Testament was compiled by the Greeks in the Septuagint. The New Testament was propagated under the aegis of the Flavians. The inerrancy of the Bible is questionable?
The Orthodox Catholic Church were central in the putting together of the Bible. It always amazes me how evangelicals think that they can lecture the Catholics or Orthodox Christians on the origin of the New Testament.
No Protestant disputes the orthodox centrality of putting together the New Testament of the Bible. Where the lectures begin is around the Old Testament where Protestants believe the Jews were given the authority on what constitutes it. Orthodox and RC will argue the new Israel only has the authority, and Protestants will argue that this is “replacement theology” and Israel was never replaced. So really, we laugh at you Orthodox who think you can lecture the Jews on the Old Testament. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
@@1966bluemax At the time, images (graven, painted, etc) were so tied to the worship of other gods that the temptation for any misunderstanding which might lead into a relapsing into idol worship or the worship of other gods needed to be removed. The Orthodox and Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, or the image itself. The symbol of the cross is a good example. Everyone knows it to be a symbol only, not something to be worshipped. Every Christian church has a cross, but not as an object of worship.
@@1966bluemax When one kneels before the cross, one isn’t worshipping the cross, and yet there is kneeling, or a “bowing down” happening there. Anyway, same idea. I used to wonder the same thing though.
Reading the history of the use of the symbol of the cross is actually quite interesting because it emerged over time. It wasn’t actually so much a central symbol as it is now. That’s a little off topic, but I found it interesting.
There are Three Spirits Written in the BIBLE: The SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ, the Spirits of the Serpent Devil and the spirits of the Flesh. The SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ that Are in the Souls in Christ of Christians Lives Continually Everlastingly While the Spirits of the Serpent Devil and the spirits of the Flesh Fades away to nothing.GOD is SPIRIT and GOOD SPIRIT and That which is Born of the SPIRIT is Spirits, and as the GOOD SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ LIVES Everlastingly so also Your Good Spirits in Christ Lives Continually Everlastingly.
Okay. For us none believers: Jesus walked on water, brought the dead back to life, turned water into wine, rose from the dead but he couldn’t have left his own book? Written in 40 plus languages? He wanted us to trust man? 1) he wanted men to preserve the first scriptures and stories? 2) then have men copy these scriptures? 3) he trusted men to translate these scriptures?. 4) he let men pick what goes into the Bible…300 years later, roughly. god scribed into stone the 10 Commandments for Moses. But then Jesus, god himself, comes here on earth and can’t write down his own truths by himself? Countries have killed each other over misinterpretations. Wars have started over this. I just don’t get it. Let me guess, God just works in mysterious ways.
I have doubts about any Bible history. The Bible is true, but I have doubts because of who did what and who translated what. You have a lot of argument in history.
The nostic gospels fasinate people due to their ability to make sin seem less demonic. People who investigate and study these "lost gospels" are looking for ways to sugar coat sin and to loosen the reality of Jesus being the Messiah.
Sin is demonic? Jesus said if one loves God and their neighbors they don't need the Bible. I grew up in a Pentecostal Church with strict holiness standards, basically going to Hell for being alive. The Gnostic gospels get rid of the noise and help with clarity and they allow greater understanding of the Bible.
@23min The Bible as Self-Authenticating is tabled for discussion. This insinuates a lot and misses 2 main Qualifications. 1st Point of Qualification is the Person of Christ Who IS the Living Word of God. ( the Bible isn't 'a magical book' for everybody or Anybody who reads it. Thaat...appears to be allowed as an open implication. 2Cor4:4-6; 1Cor2:14 considered.) Concurrently, I don't WANT to say 'secondarily', The Holy Spirit Enlivens the Word of God according to the Father's Will. So that, many people will not access a Living element in their reading because their souls remain dead in sin. For them, the reading will constantly be in combat with a stream of contentious thoughts or preconceived ideas about the content.
If the canon is correct why in john gospel jesus made a whip of cords and drove out people from the temple in the beginning of the gospel, while in the other gospels jesus did this in the end part. These books are lies. Again if the canon is the chosen books, then how lying books like these could be chosen to teach people from. I am willing to learn from these gospels, but while I know that there is likely to have minor differences of the gospel written by 4 writers, the difference I talk about above in john is a big one, big time difference and is totally unacceptable
The reason there is a difference in the gospels is because there were two times Jesus drove people out of the temple. You really haven't done much study I would guess.
This man is utterly flawed with his facts and blurs the line of truth because he knows where it leads. It was not a bottom up approach, it was apstolic. And the reality is there was only a 3% literary rate.
@@jessebryant9233 besides the fact generalises history, besides the fact that per the book of acts their was one Church who was saving souls, worshiping God, breaking bread, baptising the lost, decreeing matters of faith and morales with absolute infallibility before 1 new testimate scripture was written. Besides the fact he leverages and excepts the Council of Rome 382 and Council of Carthage for the New Testament but utterly will not say what the old Testament books were defined at the same council. Besides all that,...how did u miss it? It's self evident....besides the fact he has no proof that he was called by "god" to do anything of this.
The Word of God is Jesus...Jesus is the Word of God .Scripture is words of ink on paper, but the wisdom of God as been given by inspiration and passed to men by the Holy Spirit ,revelation of Gods spiritual truth, understanding of Gods wisdom written in words.The living words are spirit and truth because they impart truth and life by the Holy Spirit.The light of Truth.Jesus is the Word of God manifested in the flesh.
There is only one true Church of Christ which He gave us! And that Church gave us the Bible. Yes, those scriptures find their authority in God (not the Church, per se) but if it were not for the Church's effort to compile a singular canon over the decades/centuries, then where would that have left Christians to understand and know the teachings of Christ? The universal Church was IMPERATIVE to the establishment of the Christian religion and you can't simply whitewash history and diminish the Church's role by saying "Scripture has authority from God, not from the Church." A final thought for any anti-Catholics reading this... "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." (Mt 16:18) "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." (Jn 16:13) If you believe those statements (just to pick two), then how could the Catholic Church not be the true Church of Christ? If, from the beginning, it was always guided by the Spirit and acting under apostolic leadership that chosen by Christ, Himself, then where and when could it have gone astray? The truth is, it is the protestant believers who have veered of course and that is because all those churches are the result sinful men asserting prideful authority over that of Christ's Church. Those "traditions" of lutherans, baptists, anglicans, etc. are not only rooted in arrogance but they also only date back about 500 years ago and they overlook many centuries of beautiful, profound, and mystical theology that was established by the Catholic Church during the earlier 1500 years. Fast forward from the 16th century to today and we see that many "denominations" have actually drifted very far from where the original reformers stood (for example, Martin Luther believed in the Eucharist!!!) which, in my view, goes to show just how little creditability these lesser institutions possess, especially on the grounds of interpreting scripture and asserting claims of authority.
You got your Bible from Catholics. The 1611 King James Version of the Bible contained the Apocrypha a.k.a. Deuterocanonical books within the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles. The entire canon of Scripture in both Old and New Testaments was established in 382 A.D. in the Council of Rome. Protestants removed the Apocrypha from their Bibles in 1885. The people who chose books in the Bible were the Bishops of the Church, the Catholic Church. These people are being intellectually dishonest by refusing to say Catholic. The Septuagint Old Testament Scriptures were already established in 283 B.C.which were the Scriptures used by the Apostles. When Jesus said in the Gospels "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" i.e. the 'golden rule' was inspired from the book of Tobit one of the Apocrypha books.
The bible was put together by Catholics scribes as people found ancient scrolls of the prophets and apostles found in caves in Israel and Palestine mountain and slopes areas. Collected different peoples scrolls found within the caves and collected and combine all the writings into a book. That's what Bible means : a collection of inspired Holy writings and letters. Vatican has there hand in that. Then the Vatican members scribes : substitute names instead of keeping the original Hebrew names : translated into Latin , Aramaic, German and Old English languages. Replaced Yahweh with Lord God. And replaced apostles names: Shaul ... with Paul or Saint Paul. His real name was: Shaul (Hebrew) The Jews was using Hebrew Language. But hate for Jews did not want to keep the Hebrew substitute that for another word ect. Now people calling on God In prayers instead of Yahweh. Constantine: of Rome Invented the name Jesus Christ. That not messiah real name His real name Yah-shua.
Deacon, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, God the Eternal Son made Flesh, built His Church on Peter the rock and sole key holder, way before the new testament was ever written and that later determined the Canon as to which of the over 75 letters written, were to be included in the new testament and which were not! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
I SUGGEST that you do not under value your Bible. Just set aside what you were TOLD it says and let the Spirit of truth open your eyes and lead you into ALL truth as Jesus promised. Don Keathley
@@watcher9132while The Catholic Church is full of sinners, as all churches are, the Catholic Church is divine because it was founded by Jesus Christ as history has proven. It is very Scriptural to as others, especially the saints to intercede on our behalves.
@@joeobringer4968 & subjective interpretation leads to pride & fallible authority contrary to God's divine word, so RCC is not God's church; please read "The Roman Catholic Controversy" by White, i just finished it, it gives several verbatim examples of how the RCC is directly contrary to God's word in context of Himself, not interpretation. God bless!
Honestly, this is horrible and anything but a defense of the cannon. Everything he says is personal pronouncements and general assertions based on an account of because. And, the title doesn't match the content of the video.
Just because you are a gospel scholar only means you know the Bible. That does not mean it is true. Most of history are one persons view and not necesarily true.The only thing in the Bible that makes sense to me is the 10 commandments. Bible scholars are useless. They cannot do anything but try to get people to believe them. These books were written many years ago when they thought the world was flat. You keep assuming the books in the Bible are true and you have no way to prove it except by another book. It boils down to Christianity is a cult. I hate to critical but I have talked to many over the Bible. The Bible tells you nothing to help you live, like foods to eat, how to stop suffering, and other useful information. I have found that ignorance is bliss.
Oldest manuscripts do not equal best manuscripts. That is a false premise. Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus are the oldest existing manuscripts. They comprise the foundation of the Nessel-Allan Greek text. The Majority Text from which the King James Bible translators worked is vastly superior. Isaiah 34:16 ¶ Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. Where can I find a copy of "the book" of the Lord? Where can I read God's words of life by which I am to live by every day? I have multiple copies on my book shelf. The inspired words of God preserved in the English language as the King James Bible. ..... "I reject the word infallibility of Holy Scriptures overwhelmingly." (Westcott, The Life and Letters of Brook Foss Westcott, Vol. I, p.207). "Our Bible as well as our Faith is a mere compromise." (Westcott, On the Canon of the New Testament, p.vii). "Evangelicals seem to me perverted. . .There are, I fear, still more serious differences between us on the subject of authority, especially the authority of the Bible." (Hort, The Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.400)
Notice his explanation of Gospel of Peter is so strange because it is so unbelievable.....it is so different than the real books in the canon. OK let's see...in your real gospel at the resurrection let's see what happened...an earthquake splits the rocks, the graves opened up, and saints start walking around...who is on acid now ???. a virgin birth (that was a translation error) so they lied.. people walking on water, water turns into wine, 2 fish turn into a zillion...dead people becoming alive...and remember that not only jesus does this...but you have apostles raising people from dead, curing people all over, BASICALLY THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE STUFF ALL OVER and we did not even mention the old testament...HERE IS THE BIGGEST LIE THIS GUY SAYS... AT 17.30 OF THE VIDEO HE SAYS DR BART SAYS IF ANY VARIANCE AT ALL THE WHOLE BOOK IS WORTHLESS......VERY BIG LIE... Dr Bart never has said one little mistake and throw them all out..HE SAYS JUST THE OPPOSITE...Most of the problems are very little but some do matter and he is right... NOTICE this guy has no answer for this but ignores it...AND THEN ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM FOR THIS GUY... WHEN he explains the missing sections of the bible at 21.32 HE GOES ON WITH SOME DRIBBLE....absolutely does not address it...cause he cannot...If someone added this sections later how many other sections have been changed....THIS GUY ADMITS IT BUT STILL SAYS IT IS NO PROBLEM...CHRISTIANS should do their own research from historical scholars and find out the real truth....HE KNOWS THE BOOKS ARE TRUE BECAUSE HE SAYS IT IS...JUST LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THIS GUY'S ANSWERS AND DETERMINE IF he is truthful...Even though he actually admits several problems here it never matters...it is true because god says so......AND THAT IS FINE BUT IT IS NOT HISTORY...FINALLY jesus said he would be back in 40 years...so did paul...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH...Go to the Wondrium learning channel and take some of these courses...
Absolutely wonderful teaching, thank you very much!
I will search out Dr Kruger and dig deeper. These are questions which have perplexed for ages and the answers are there in scripture.
Thanks too, to the interviewer, you asked some great questions and I will look out for your book, too.
Hello Grace. We are glad to hear you were blessed by this Seminar. An additional resource by Dr. Michael Kruger that may be beneficial to you is The New Testament Canon Teaching Series. Watch the entire series online: www.ligonier.org/learn/series/new-testament-canon. If you have additional questions, please contact our Care Team by emailing them at service@ligonier.org.
@@ligonier thanks very much for your reply and the link to more resources. Dr Kruger is such a clear speaker and teacher,I know I will enjoy them and digging deeper.
Thank you so much!
POWERFUL!!! Thank you for the clarity. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you gentlemen. My faith is strengthened by you sharing your knowledge and faith.
Thank you for this wonderful teaching
God bless men like this. Thank you Dr Kruger.
I appreciate this teaching. The research I did alines with this. The Canon is as supernatural as the Scriptures. The Book is indestructible because it is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man.
Amen sister
aligns, not alines
Anastasia, Did Christians in the early Church reading Paul's letter to the Church of Laodicea, know it was not Holy Scripture? Why are Paul's other letters written to the Philippians, not Holy Scripture? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@matthewbroderick6287 are the Canon of scriptures enough?
Canon is simply all of the inspired writings
Been reading Christianity at the crossroads. Great book Michael Kruger. God is good
This was very helpful. Thanks a ton!
Wooow! Dr. Michael Kruger is really good. I'll have to look into his books.
Solid. Thank you both!
Excellent stuff. A great apologetic
This was so helpful. I’m going to use these videos in my homeschool high school study for all my children
Brilliant. Thank you sirs.
Want to hear more from Kruger! God bless this man🙏
Great discussion .
Thanks for sharing this. Great interview. Honest answers. One great, good God.
Thanks for sharing this awesome lesson 🙏🏼
Love it
This guy is awesome! One thing he left out, and probably because he didn't have the time, but Hebrews is riddled with verses and Concepts from the Old Testament. In fact, it is essentially an Old Testament book with commentary from a new testament perspective. It is very valid from that point of view.
"Because there's so many different views out there no one view can be right" except for that ONE view that "no one view can be right". Those running from truth ALWAYS defeat their own position 🤗
Thank you for posting this! 📚
He gave a very good point on all questions asked.....Thank you for the video...😇
No less an authority than St. Augustine addressed the issue of the adultress in the Bible. He was much closer to the issue than we are.
This was incredible and very encouraging. Can't wait to get a copy of the book "Surviving Religion"
praise the only true living LORD and GOD bless you all glory be to the HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen 💖✝️✝️✝️
This was great. Thank You so much for it
Enlightening 🤯
First compilation i want
Yes I remember Dr Kruger
Dr krugger
Dr Zeus
They Were top of their class.
So how come I never get to sit next to someone awesome like Dr. Kruger when I fly??? :-) What fun would that be to pick his brain for a couple of hours! Thanks for what you do to serve the Lord Dr. Kruger!
Watched 4/1/22
Could someone give me a great scholarly place to look into this history of the cannon or both believers and non believers so I can debate better thanks.
"From God to Us" Geisler&Nix
Praise The Lord and God Bless you,Madam Joyce Meyer and all pls pray for me I need prayer
Joyce Meyer is a heretic.
Friend, I don't know your situation or the circumstances you are dealing with, but if you are a follower of The Lord, Jesus Christ -- having turned from deciding your own goals and plans for your life, and instead trusted in Christ Jesus to save you from your own evil ways and teach you His good ways -- then there is a promise in Scripture for you, and every believer;
_"God shall supply all your needs, in accord with His riches in glory in Christ Jesus"_
- Philippians 4:19
Please note, this does not mean everything you 'want', but instead, everything you 'need' to be a true disciple of your Lord.
Now it's important to look at the lives of the first disciples of Christ Jesus, and especially the 12 who became His apostles; and they did not have lives full of luxury and good food and money. Instead they had very difficult lives, suffering many hard times and eventually being murdered for their trust in Jesus.
Similarly, the Lord Jesus himself had a very difficult life, his step-father Joseph likely died when Christ was still a young man, his brothers and even his mother didn't believe that He was right to go around teaching Israel about The Kingdom of God; he was accused of being a blasphemer and a devil-worshipper by the religious leaders of Israel, and even His disciples argued with Him, then even ran away from Him when Christ was captured and then crucified.
So when we talk about being a true follower of The Lord, we have to remember that anyone who commits themselves to the discipline of following His ways, will walk a similar path to that which the Lord Jesus walked: picking up a cross of their own, and following Him in a death march as their Sin is destroyed by God.
And please remember the words of the Lord, that anyone who is not committed to following Him in this way, is not worthy of Him: and anyone who is not sharing in the sufferings of Christ -- being disciplined by their hard circumstances, by God -- is not a true son of God; because God disciplines those whom He loves.
Now if you believe you are a follower of Jesus according to the principles I have mentioned, and can see that God is using the difficult circumstances you are dealing with to sanctify you, and conform you to the image of His Son -- making you like Jesus, humble and patient and enduring all things -- then you can trust the promise of Philippians that God will give you everything you need, from the treasure house that _is_ Christ Jesus; empowering you to stay loyal and persevere, even if you are poor and betrayed and suffer all manner of evil things from the hands of men.
But if you believe that you are entitled to a happy, healthy and prosperous life because you took the name of Christian for yourself, then you have taken the name of Christ in vain, and you don't actually belong to Him yet -- so you need to turn from that wicked self-deception, and turn to look at the life of Christ and His early disciples to see what it really means to be a real Christian. And after looking at this truth, then place your trust in Him to help you believe in His saving power, and His ability to give you the strength to endure the hardships of this short time here on Earth.
And if anyone tells you that God wants you to be happy and rich and healthy and live in luxury in this life, they are a deceiver and not a child of God; because throughout the Bible we see God employ very hard and horrible circumstances to discipline His people, washing out their sinful desires so that they learn to love Him more than anything else, as pure and clean children of The Father.
Again, I don't know your circumstances so this is something I pray for you, and will continue to pray that you receive from His hand: The ability to trust in Christ Jesus no matter how difficult your life is, so that when you finally pass from this short life into eternal glory with your Lord, you will hear "Well done, good and faithful servant: you have been faithful with little, so I will put you in charge of many riches to be faithful with for Eternity."
And if I have totally misunderstood your situation, then I am sorry, but I will still continue to pray that God gives you everything you need, just as He has _promised._
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Where is ligonier Ministries situated please?
Hello, and thank you for your question. Ligonier Ministries is based in Orlando Florida. You can learn more about the ministry here: www.ligonier.org/about
interesting that he went to UNC
I heard the debate between BE and Dan Wallace BE came across as stretching things a lot
Mr.kruger give me the answer which year and by whom....
Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ?
The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6).
God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes.
The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through repentance and faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16; Acts 20:21). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31).
Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14).
I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
As an evangelical Christian who wanted to use this for apologetics, this video did a poor job answering the title question... It needs much more detail and exposition on the actual history.
Listen again. Better.
Maybe you should check with the church that wrote, compiled, protected and translated it.
@@saywhat8476 The 500 year old system of Protestantism with its pillar dogma of sola scriptura has NEVER given a satisfying answer to this question and never will and never can. The late R.C. Sproul gave the most illogical statement ever heard trying to answer (justify ?) this question.....”The Bible is a fallible list of infallible books.” How can the result be greater than the source? Protestantism is illogical and anti-historical and antiChristian and antiBiblical. Causing nothing but confusion and division in Jesus’s ONE Body for 500 years with no end in sight. They just make it up as they go along it seems. What confidence can they have in Scripture AT ALL if they agree with Sproul? The Bible they use as their one and only Rule of Faith may contain material not meant to be there or NOT include books meant to be there! They are to be pitied. I pray every day for the reunion of all Christians. Please Holy Spirit, guide them back to Mother Church, Jesus’s ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church! AMEN.
Yeah no, you're not gonna get a good answer on this topic from pastors or protestant theologians.
@@saywhat8476 there’s always gonna be one of you aren’t there?
Quite helpful
How did we receive not get!
When was new testament and old testament put together....who and when i want answer
Better still, who authored it and what authority does it have?
Appolos is my guess for Hebrews writer :)
So people can simply recognize the books as authoritative and cannot make mistakes in recognising?
Having many canons until the canon was settled actually shows us that its not as easy you want to make it sound.
Yes the books had authority from the beginning, however the question is, how did they know which books had authority and which ones had none? That is the question you avoided to answer.
That's the thing, there were not many cannons, instead there was many writings, but not cannons.
@@thisisme2115 yes they were many canons
Shakespeare's Folio was in contention for years. But when all of his plays were assembled, the text of the plays clearly bore his signature style.
Likewise, the canonical books revealed themselves to be inspired and authentic by their content.
Apocryphal does not bear the same inspiration or Authoritative content although sometimes being helpful with some historical or cultural elements.
The Gospel of ''Pink Floyd, oops I mean Gospel of Thomas'' lesson, was priceless,
Erhman would have no argument if we were to stick with the majority text. 26:00 Reformers knew about these other text that did not include verses John 7:53-8:11 and the ending of Mark 16 and rejected the notion that they were not a part of the original text. John Calvin and John Gill rejected these other texts in their commentaries. The fact that scholars today are rejecting the TR for these other MSS and calling them earlier and more reliable is baffling at best and looks more like intended corruption at worse on behalf of haters of God's word. We cannot allow Unbelievers to publish new "bibles" based off a "new variant" so as to eventually lead believers away from God's Truth.
Why do Eastern Orthodox & Catholics have a different canon? Protestants cut out 15 books over a thousand years after Jesus.
False. Catholics added those books-books that were rejected for very good reasons. They contain theological inconsistencies, as well as historical and scientific errors. How could one consider such texts to be "inspired and inerrant"?
@@jessebryant9233 Brother read a bit of history. Even Luther wanted to cut out James, Revelation & Hebrews. The Eastern Orthodox canon far pre-dates the Protestant canon. You think it's not inspired? What book in the Catholic canon is not inspired?
All the Books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive, and account them Canonical. 39 Articles of Religion
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Which Bible?
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:28 KJV
Jesus lives
Jesus Christ is Lord
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23 KJV
Jesus loves you repent
You're a sinner in need of a Savior
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
he describes a giant jesus leaving the tomb followed by the giant talking cross in a way that he's trying to show how ridiculous it is, but there are many things canonically in the bible that are just as ridiculous, or even more so. so I don't think him saying "look how wacky this gospel was" is really a good argument for why it isn't canonical.
I can tell you haven’t read the gnostic gospels…
That is not even the wildest thing found in them.
We got the Holy Bible through the Catholic Church.
What do you mean by that?
@@jessebryant9233 The Catholic Church decided which books would be included in The Hoy Bible and created the book itself. Literally.
If you read The Early Church Fathers (the writings of the primitive Church, the Disciples of The Apostles), you'd get the full Christian historical narrative of how the Bible would come to be. 🙂
No "bible" existed before The Catholic Church produced it in the 4th Century. It's the oldest Bible in existence and has been proved to date back 1,700 years.
All other denominational bibles are based on our Bible. The christian churches that came 1600 years after the Roman Church (see the "Book of Romans" in scripture) just took out the parts that talked about Catholic teachings so they could justify creating their own man-based churches that held fealty to men & countries (aka Lutheranism, King James "version" bible, Church of England, etc...).
Of course, I'm just stating objective facts here. These can be corroborated by learning historical Christianity (not religious dogma or personal spiritual beliefs, but from academic sources).
I wouldn't push my personal beliefs in a secular discussion. 🙂
Well, it’s more that the early Church recognized what had been accepted as the Canon. To call it the Roman Catholic Church back at 400 is anachronistic.
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Yeah, never got a notice on this one... But no, the Catholic Church did not "decide" the canon, the canon was "recognized"... And "the Church" included books known to contain historical and scientific errors because those books supported some of the pagan notions that slipped into the Catholic teachings early on... And by definition, you can't have an official "bible" until there is a "bible"-a canon... And took out which parts? Can you be more specific? ... Objective facts? I don't think so... Or, how about just cutting to the chase and answering the most important question: What is the Gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Roman Catholic Church?
@@jessebryant9233 Nah, they had a vote on it and everything. The books were debated over, some were included, others were left out, and they created the first canon of the New Testament in the 5th Century. Before they did that, it never existed.
Of course, if you can show me some historical evidence besides the Council of Trent, let's see your date(s), the names of the councils, those Church Fathers involved in deciding the canon...you know...the facts.
Otherwise, you just expressed opinions with zero references or evidence. 😊
it is discouraging that there are so many denominations because of different interpretations of scripture.
Yor half right and half wrong.their are many translations but the bible says their is no private interprataton of the scriptures.the main message,man is a sinner and needs the saviour .
Yes and further decernment is lacking with many as they do not ask from God the spirit of decernment, there are over 200 different books purporting to be bibles but are not.
Corrupt teachers that are devils corrupting Gods inerrant word kept for all generations without error.
Roman Catholicism is an abomination.
The main reason is for us Christians to be united. That's what happen if everyone is having the authority to interpret the Bible.
@philipmarchalquizar7741 but let me guess the church you attend has it all correct? Lol
@@datchet11 do not guess my friend. stop protesting. you are welcome my brother
good subject matter for sure. volume ( gain ) is too low. even with amplification, volume is too low. It is nice to hear Bible teachings and history while working in my shop, etc. cannot hear this one well. I can hear all others but, not this one unless I stop what I am doing and sit in front of it. I do not need to see anything here. I (we ) need to hear it so, audio is much more important. thank you otherwise
My audio is fine..
The scriptures were also recognized through “normal historical” methods, why reject the dueterocanon
I really disagree with michael Kruger on the ending of Mark and John. Scholars debate this point often.
The ending of Mark is mentioned by Polycarp as being written by Mark. I do not believe the Egyptian manuscripts are corrupt, but nearly every Greek manuscript agrees that the ending of mark was written by Mark.
He is making his assumption based on "lack of evidence". The problem with this is, that is the worst form of evidence.
scholars didnt have serious debate over that itsadded in 400 ad
way too long after mark
interpolation not just happen with mark ending but many other small verses , even in textus receptus though they know that trinity verses of johannine comma is not original butvthey added it
what about septuagint that have lack of verses in jeremiah
@@monotheist.. it doesn't matter. Polycarp was earlier than the earliest discovered manuscripts
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"How Did We Get the Bible?"
Kind Sirs...that is one of my best loved questions...For 69 yrs of my "Born Again" life; I was taught and I believed it; that "God" inspired ALL writers to created a book called the "Bible". And it was "Inerrant and Infallible!". Thus, I believed that all of those 69 yrs.
However in my 75 yr I finally got on my knees; and cried out to Jesus (who IS God); to give me "Wisdom, Understanding and the Truth. Amen. I did this because I realized (and it was already there) that there are over 3,000 "Denominations, Doctrines and Dogmas" all over the world.
Worse: Their thesis' were all different. And they all said, "We are right and YOU are wrong! And WE get ours from the Bible!" Get this! I could not deal with that. And that is why I prayed as I did...
So today (I'm 90, next Tuesday); I do NOT believe ANY bible is "innerant Infallible". For ALL of them have enumerable "errors, contradictions, adds and changes, etc". AND...that is why the differences; all over the world. Sad and silly. May Jesus have mercy on us; for letting that happen...
Now, I said all the above, to say this...NO one can discern the "errors", etc; from the "truths"; UNLESS they pray to Jesus ONLY; to give them "wisdom, understanding* and the truth". AMEN!
Could I be wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES!, But all others could be wrong Also...
...In any case kind Sirs and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
* To understand "How we got the bible"; I would strongly suggest you check out the following. And watch it all. For it is very long. But it has things most Christians could not fathom; but we do NEED it. And it WILL help you to learn; exactly "how" we got our bibles.
"english-bible-history" from "greatsite"
"by middle of 2nd c we have 22 of the 27 books"
True. This is a testament to Sacred Tradition at work. Yet this also raises questions not answered in the interview.
- WHO determined the full 27 book canon ?
- WHAT else did they believe and profess ?
- WHY was the 27 book NT canon put together ?
- WHERE did they meet to decide this 27 book canon?
- WHEN did they do so ?
- HOW - by what criteria did they use to determine what was and was not these full 27 books?
- “the authority is not from the Church it is from God, that is a very important distinction”.
It's not either or but both. God works his agency through men, through his Church. The Holy Spirit both worked through the human writers AND worked through the Church to determine which writings were canon - and which were not. Keep in mind :
- The Church is the Pillar of Truth
- The Church is the Bulwark of Truth
- The Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known.
- Christ PROMISED to lead His Church to ALL Truth.
And ... one must ask ... when this Church decided on the 27 book NT canon for ALL time, just HOW did it error - and error GREATLY in saying the Old Testament canon was 46 books?
Just HOW does the Holy Spirit work, consistently or inconsistently?
Did Jesus break his promise, to lead his Church to ALL Truth or was he really saying that he would do his best ... but his Church would error on doctrine - and for a long time - for 1,100 years until Catholic men in Central Europe corrected those men much earlier on the OT canon?
The One True Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Matt 16 18-19, which codified the bible in 382
Argument ad populum isn’t very impressive. Where does the Protestant Bible establish the criteria for scripture?
The authority of the Bible rests in its author, God. And it tells us to have nothing to do with false teachers... they should be removed from whatever positions they hold not treated with any respect at all. They are deceived deceivers.
The Old Testament was compiled by the Greeks in the Septuagint. The New Testament was propagated under the aegis of the Flavians. The inerrancy of the Bible is questionable?
The Catholic Church made the entire Old Testament and assembled and made the New Testament canon.
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There should only be one translation of the one Bible. The history is all mixed up.
So it should not have been translated into different languages so people all over the world could have access to it? That's pretty selfish.
Now I know you are full of it. That story of Jesus and casing the first stone is true.
Read psalms 12.6-7 kJ bible Re preservation
This is very helpful discussion but one thing is not focused that is in every verse of the NT has inspired by Lord . Satan couldn’t touch it.
The Orthodox Catholic Church were central in the putting together of the Bible. It always amazes me how evangelicals think that they can lecture the Catholics or Orthodox Christians on the origin of the New Testament.
No Protestant disputes the orthodox centrality of putting together the New Testament of the Bible. Where the lectures begin is around the Old Testament where Protestants believe the Jews were given the authority on what constitutes it. Orthodox and RC will argue the new Israel only has the authority, and Protestants will argue that this is “replacement theology” and Israel was never replaced. So really, we laugh at you Orthodox who think you can lecture the Jews on the Old Testament. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
Then, why do they create statues that scripture specifically forbids?
@@1966bluemax At the time, images (graven, painted, etc) were so tied to the worship of other gods that the temptation for any misunderstanding which might lead into a relapsing into idol worship or the worship of other gods needed to be removed. The Orthodox and Catholics do not worship Mary or the Saints, or the image itself.
The symbol of the cross is a good example. Everyone knows it to be a symbol only, not something to be worshipped. Every Christian church has a cross, but not as an object of worship.
@@1966bluemax When one kneels before the cross, one isn’t worshipping the cross, and yet there is kneeling, or a “bowing down” happening there. Anyway, same idea. I used to wonder the same thing though.
Reading the history of the use of the symbol of the cross is actually quite interesting because it emerged over time. It wasn’t actually so much a central symbol as it is now. That’s a little off topic, but I found it interesting.
There are Three Spirits Written in the BIBLE:
The SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ, the Spirits of the Serpent Devil and the spirits of the Flesh.
The SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ that Are in the Souls in Christ of Christians Lives Continually Everlastingly While the Spirits of the Serpent Devil and the spirits of the Flesh Fades away to nothing.GOD is SPIRIT and GOOD SPIRIT and That which is Born of the SPIRIT is Spirits, and as the GOOD SPIRITS of the LORD GODFATHER in Christ LIVES Everlastingly so also Your Good Spirits in Christ Lives Continually Everlastingly.
Okay. For us none believers: Jesus walked on water, brought the dead back to life, turned water into wine, rose from the dead but he couldn’t have left his own book? Written in 40 plus languages? He wanted us to trust man? 1) he wanted men to preserve the first scriptures and stories? 2) then have men copy these scriptures? 3) he trusted men to translate these scriptures?. 4) he let men pick what goes into the Bible…300 years later, roughly.
god scribed into stone the 10 Commandments for Moses. But then Jesus, god himself, comes here on earth and can’t write down his own truths by himself? Countries have killed each other over misinterpretations. Wars have started over this. I just don’t get it.
Let me guess, God just works in mysterious ways.
I have doubts about any Bible history. The Bible is true, but I have doubts because of who did what and who translated what. You have a lot of argument in history.
The nostic gospels fasinate people due to their ability to make sin seem less demonic. People who investigate and study these "lost gospels" are looking for ways to sugar coat sin and to loosen the reality of Jesus being the Messiah.
Sin is demonic? Jesus said if one loves God and their neighbors they don't need the Bible. I grew up in a Pentecostal Church with strict holiness standards, basically going to Hell for being alive. The Gnostic gospels get rid of the noise and help with clarity and they allow greater understanding of the Bible.
@@jimbean5612 They are not in the Bible for a reason.
@23min The Bible as Self-Authenticating is tabled for discussion. This insinuates a lot and misses 2 main Qualifications.
1st Point of Qualification is the Person of Christ Who IS the Living Word of God. ( the Bible isn't 'a magical book' for everybody or Anybody who reads it. Thaat...appears to be allowed as an open implication. 2Cor4:4-6; 1Cor2:14 considered.)
Concurrently, I don't WANT to say 'secondarily', The Holy Spirit Enlivens the Word of God according to the Father's Will. So that, many people will not access a Living element in their reading because their souls remain dead in sin. For them, the reading will constantly be in combat with a stream of contentious thoughts or preconceived ideas about the content.
If the canon is correct why in john gospel jesus made a whip of cords and drove out people from the temple in the beginning of the gospel, while in the other gospels jesus did this in the end part. These books are lies. Again if the canon is the chosen books, then how lying books like these could be chosen to teach people from. I am willing to learn from these gospels, but while I know that there is likely to have minor differences of the gospel written by 4 writers, the difference I talk about above in john is a big one, big time difference and is totally unacceptable
The reason there is a difference in the gospels is because there were two times Jesus drove people out of the temple. You really haven't done much study I would guess.
This man is utterly flawed with his facts and blurs the line of truth because he knows where it leads. It was not a bottom up approach, it was apstolic. And the reality is there was only a 3% literary rate.
Nice claim. What's your argument?
@@jessebryant9233 besides the fact generalises history, besides the fact that per the book of acts their was one Church who was saving souls, worshiping God, breaking bread, baptising the lost, decreeing matters of faith and morales with absolute infallibility before 1 new testimate scripture was written. Besides the fact he leverages and excepts the Council of Rome 382 and Council of Carthage for the New Testament but utterly will not say what the old Testament books were defined at the same council. Besides all that,...how did u miss it? It's self evident....besides the fact he has no proof that he was called by "god" to do anything of this.
The early Christians were Catholic. Duh!
The Word of God is Jesus...Jesus is the Word of God .Scripture is words of ink on paper, but the wisdom of God as been given by inspiration and passed to men by the Holy Spirit ,revelation of Gods spiritual truth, understanding of Gods wisdom written in words.The living words are spirit and truth because they impart truth and life by the Holy Spirit.The light of Truth.Jesus is the Word of God manifested in the flesh.
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Slow Down& take a breath, your speech speed..?? = much too fast..!!
There is only one true Church of Christ which He gave us! And that Church gave us the Bible. Yes, those scriptures find their authority in God (not the Church, per se) but if it were not for the Church's effort to compile a singular canon over the decades/centuries, then where would that have left Christians to understand and know the teachings of Christ? The universal Church was IMPERATIVE to the establishment of the Christian religion and you can't simply whitewash history and diminish the Church's role by saying "Scripture has authority from God, not from the Church."
A final thought for any anti-Catholics reading this...
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it." (Mt 16:18)
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." (Jn 16:13)
If you believe those statements (just to pick two), then how could the Catholic Church not be the true Church of Christ? If, from the beginning, it was always guided by the Spirit and acting under apostolic leadership that chosen by Christ, Himself, then where and when could it have gone astray? The truth is, it is the protestant believers who have veered of course and that is because all those churches are the result sinful men asserting prideful authority over that of Christ's Church.
Those "traditions" of lutherans, baptists, anglicans, etc. are not only rooted in arrogance but they also only date back about 500 years ago and they overlook many centuries of beautiful, profound, and mystical theology that was established by the Catholic Church during the earlier 1500 years.
Fast forward from the 16th century to today and we see that many "denominations" have actually drifted very far from where the original reformers stood (for example, Martin Luther believed in the Eucharist!!!) which, in my view, goes to show just how little creditability these lesser institutions possess, especially on the grounds of interpreting scripture and asserting claims of authority.
You got your Bible from Catholics. The 1611 King James Version of the Bible contained the Apocrypha a.k.a. Deuterocanonical books within the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles. The entire canon of Scripture in both Old and New Testaments was established in 382 A.D. in the Council of Rome. Protestants removed the Apocrypha from their Bibles in 1885. The people who chose books in the Bible were the Bishops of the Church, the Catholic Church. These people are being intellectually dishonest by refusing to say Catholic. The Septuagint Old Testament Scriptures were already established in 283 B.C.which were the Scriptures used by the Apostles. When Jesus said in the Gospels "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" i.e. the 'golden rule' was inspired from the book of Tobit one of the Apocrypha books.
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Sorry, didn't caught my interest...try harder...
Why don't YOU try harder?
Sorry, yeah... maybe i expected more than what he can give...
Cringe
The bible was put together by Catholics scribes as people found ancient scrolls of the prophets and apostles found in caves in Israel and Palestine mountain and slopes areas.
Collected different peoples scrolls found within the caves and collected and combine all the writings into a book.
That's what Bible means : a collection of inspired Holy writings and letters.
Vatican has there hand in that.
Then the Vatican members scribes : substitute names instead of keeping the original Hebrew names : translated into Latin , Aramaic, German and Old English languages.
Replaced Yahweh with Lord God.
And replaced apostles names: Shaul ... with Paul or Saint Paul.
His real name was: Shaul
(Hebrew)
The Jews was using Hebrew Language.
But hate for Jews did not want to keep the Hebrew substitute that for another word ect.
Now people calling on God
In prayers instead of Yahweh.
Constantine: of Rome
Invented the name Jesus Christ.
That not messiah real name
His real name Yah-shua.
Deacon, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, God the Eternal Son made Flesh, built His Church on Peter the rock and sole key holder, way before the new testament was ever written and that later determined the Canon as to which of the over 75 letters written, were to be included in the new testament and which were not! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
I SUGGEST that you do not under value your Bible. Just set aside what you were TOLD it says and let the Spirit of truth open your eyes and lead you into ALL truth as Jesus promised.
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The result-hundreds of denominations believing different things about the “essentials” of the Christian faith.
We got the Bible from The Catholic Church. It officially decided what books were inspired by God. Was decided at the Council of Hippo, fourth century.
The Catholic 'church's is full of blasphemy. It is idolatry to worship and pray to ordinary people.
@@watcher9132while The Catholic Church is full of sinners, as all churches are, the Catholic Church is divine because it was founded by Jesus Christ as history has proven. It is very Scriptural to as others, especially the saints to intercede on our behalves.
@@joeobringer4968 & subjective interpretation leads to pride & fallible authority contrary to God's divine word, so RCC is not God's church; please read "The Roman Catholic Controversy" by White, i just finished it, it gives several verbatim examples of how the RCC is directly contrary to God's word in context of Himself, not interpretation. God bless!
@@joeobringer4968 why do we need the saints to intercede for us when we have Jesus Christ as our mediator?
Joe, your intentional distortion of history is sad..
Honestly, this is horrible and anything but a defense of the cannon. Everything he says is personal pronouncements and general assertions based on an account of because. And, the title doesn't match the content of the video.
😂Covid wasn't a good analogy. Some are able to listen to the experts on TH-cam (like this current video as an example) and educate themselves.
Nobody claims Thomas was written by Thomas - straw man - & the lines you disparage are metaphors.
Just because you are a gospel scholar only means you know the Bible. That does not mean it is true. Most of history are one persons view and not necesarily true.The only thing in the Bible that makes sense to me is the 10 commandments. Bible scholars are useless. They cannot do anything but try to get people to believe them. These books were written many years ago when they thought the world was flat. You keep assuming the books in the Bible are true and you have no way to prove it except by another book. It boils down to Christianity is a cult. I hate to critical but I have talked to many over the Bible. The Bible tells you nothing to help you live, like foods to eat, how to stop suffering, and other useful information. I have found that ignorance is bliss.
Was minescule 109 god given? This guy makes no sense and addresses nothing at all.
Who can even understand you? You don't talk in plan language.
Scholarship at its worst
O how intellectualism loses faith
He said Pink Floyd gospel. 😂
The Catholic Church.
You got your Bibles from Westcott and hort ,? The king James Bible is attacked by your Alexandrian heresy manuscripts 😂
LOL. This is what 500 years of the man made dogma of sola scriptura gets ya!
Oldest manuscripts do not equal best manuscripts. That is a false premise. Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus are the oldest existing manuscripts. They comprise the foundation of the Nessel-Allan Greek text. The Majority Text from which the King James Bible translators worked is vastly superior.
Isaiah 34:16 ¶ Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Where can I find a copy of "the book" of the Lord? Where can I read God's words of life by which I am to live by every day? I have multiple copies on my book shelf. The inspired words of God preserved in the English language as the King James Bible.
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"I reject the word infallibility of Holy Scriptures overwhelmingly." (Westcott, The Life and Letters of Brook Foss Westcott, Vol. I, p.207).
"Our Bible as well as our Faith is a mere compromise." (Westcott, On the Canon of the New Testament, p.vii).
"Evangelicals seem to me perverted. . .There are, I fear, still more serious differences between us on the subject of authority, especially the authority of the Bible." (Hort, The Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.400)
Notice his explanation of Gospel of Peter is so strange because it is so unbelievable.....it is so different than the real books in the canon. OK let's see...in your real gospel at the resurrection let's see what happened...an earthquake splits the rocks, the graves opened up, and saints start walking around...who is on acid now ???. a virgin birth (that was a translation error) so they lied.. people walking on water, water turns into wine, 2 fish turn into a zillion...dead people becoming alive...and remember that not only jesus does this...but you have apostles raising people from dead, curing people all over, BASICALLY THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE STUFF ALL OVER and we did not even mention the old testament...HERE IS THE BIGGEST LIE THIS GUY SAYS... AT 17.30 OF THE VIDEO HE SAYS DR BART SAYS IF ANY VARIANCE AT ALL THE WHOLE BOOK IS WORTHLESS......VERY BIG LIE... Dr Bart never has said one little mistake and throw them all out..HE SAYS JUST THE OPPOSITE...Most of the problems are very little but some do matter and he is right... NOTICE this guy has no answer for this but ignores it...AND THEN ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM FOR THIS GUY... WHEN he explains the missing sections of the bible at 21.32 HE GOES ON WITH SOME DRIBBLE....absolutely does not address it...cause he cannot...If someone added this sections later how many other sections have been changed....THIS GUY ADMITS IT BUT STILL SAYS IT IS NO PROBLEM...CHRISTIANS should do their own research from historical scholars and find out the real truth....HE KNOWS THE BOOKS ARE TRUE BECAUSE HE SAYS IT IS...JUST LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THIS GUY'S ANSWERS AND DETERMINE IF he is truthful...Even though he actually admits several problems here it never matters...it is true because god says so......AND THAT IS FINE BUT IT IS NOT HISTORY...FINALLY jesus said he would be back in 40 years...so did paul...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH...Go to the Wondrium learning channel and take some of these courses...