I dont think it means much pointing it out now but... Turn 1: Platoon Cmd Squad can only give orders to units with the REGIMENT keyword, all 4 vehicles you ordered are SQUADRON, which you need the Lord Solar or a Tank Commander to give orders to.
“I think 2x2 Allarus will be in every Custodes list” Maybe, but slapping Slayers of Nightmares on a brick of them is going to be some terrifying and needed anti-tank, and while you can target both with a Shield Captain on the table, I think the ability may be better spent on a more expensive stratagem.
What i found funny about the first vehicle combat of the game...the Leman Russ also had the smoke keyword, giving it the same ability the Land Raider had. He just didn't use it.
at 1:05:00ish when the BC attacked the rogal you had him zero out a devestating wound attack. He cannot do that. As soon as you roll the 6 to wound, the attack is converted to 3 mortals. The rogal dorn ability lets you reduce the damage of an allocated attack, but the attack is only allocated as mortals.
I haven’t watched yet but 45 infantry dosent seem to be enough. I’m use to taking 80 to 110. How is 45 going to control the board? I will see I guess just a rant
Bridger mixed faction keywords and faction abilities. You need your entire army to share the same faction keyword (in this case, Adeptus Custodes), ignoring exceptions like Agents of the Imperium. But according to the Army Rules page, you can only use a faction ability if said unit actually HAS the faction ability. Vigilators lack the Martial Ka'tah ability, so they cannot benefit from it. The same happens with cult marines in CSM armies (Khorne Berzerkers, Rubric Marines and Plague Marines): they don't have Dark Pacts.
So do sisters and vehicles get the 4+ vs mortal wounds, and it does seem land raiders have the martial karate keyword would it benefit from the karate rule then?
Question does Trajanns Captain General ability ignore rules that ignore Invulnerable saves and rules that ignore FNP? I've been trying to figure this out?
Now that we have the designers commentary: "Eligible to Shoot (when not equipped with ranged weapons): Unless a unit Advanced or Fell Back this turn or is Locked in Combat, it is eligible to shoot, even if no models in that unit are equipped with ranged weapons. This means that such units can be selected for any rules that require you to select a unit that is eligible to shoot."
Custodes present a very difficult set of target profiles that require specific weapons to deal with. It's hard for a take-all-comers list to deal with. It's basically heavy infantry skew. Because neither list is super optimized, the guard aren't focused enough to have the tools needed to deal with them. Also the position of that central ruin is really strong if the Custodes get in there. Hard to remove them.
You’ll see closer matches once they’re more familiar with the edition and bring more honed lists. These “try a bit of everything” lists to learn the new edition can lead to lopsided matches for the reasons listed in another reply.
The terrain in this game definitely favoured the close quarters nature of the custard boys, but as others have mentioned, for these effectively exhibition games they are trying to shoe-horn in a little bit of everything to show off the indexes rather than present a competitive list
That's also concerning lol. It sounds like you'll only beat Custodes if you tailor your list against heavy elite infantry. So any take all comers lists will get stomped or be at a disadvantage while the Custodes TAC list won't have that problem. That's playing rock paper scissors and not healthy game design imo. But it's too early to tell. I just hope Custodes won't turn out to be good at everything and have no weakness.
The old format where you show the actual models in the beginning is much better... the structured list is cool but could just pop up for 5 a second for anyone who wants to pause it. 🤷♂️
so i'm just going to deep strike everything other than allarus. they will be on the objectives, make them sticky, then go into golden light and deep strike
Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but where are they getting point values for their units? Are they still using 9th point values? I thought GW hasn't released values yet? Someone help me understand.
Are they allowed to say how many points each of these armies cost? I'm.guwssing not, but I'm also guessing they're playing a 3,000pt game cause dats a lot of bananas.
It feels like more Custodes then usually because it's almost exclusively foot guys, while current lists include many bikes and dreadnoughts that lower the total amount of models significantly
Not play testers just content creators. Play tester get early version of the rules way before they start releasing a new edition. GW didn’t really use any play testers for tenth to “minimize leaks” and it really shows in some of the rules interactions.
The guy in blue literally cannot process the idea that he could be wrong about something. You can see the look on his face when they clarify the "eligibility to shoot" thing. At one point the words "well I still don't get it" are literally ABOUT to roll out of his mouth but he stops. Lmao so cringe.
Core rules say a unit is eligible to shoot unless: That unit Advanced this turn or That unit Fell Back this turn. You don't look at the loadout until step 2. You don't need a gun to be eligible to shoot. You do need a gun to shoot but not to do actions. I make this comment mid video so if they come to the same conclusion in 30 minutes when referencing the core rules i would not be surprised.
i for one won't be playing with people using Power Level Points. hope my locals will agree to not use stupid, predatory rules made to sell more models.
@@squelch3000 yes, and replaced it with Power Level Points. which is why you can take 3 or 6 Wardens, despite there being 5 in a box; or 2,3,5 or 6 Allarus - but not 4. it makes a GW sales manager cry when you take 4 Allarus.
Some people think if the list isn’t min/max for top tier competition it’s a horrible list. They are just playing for fun. I bring lots of “horrible lists” to friendly games just for fun. Like Hammerfall Bunkers and Firestrike Turrets and Reivers with Imperial Fists, cause I’m having fun. That’s what they are doing, having fun. Not testing a list for the London Grand Tournament.
I dont think it means much pointing it out now but...
Turn 1: Platoon Cmd Squad can only give orders to units with the REGIMENT keyword, all 4 vehicles you ordered are SQUADRON, which you need the Lord Solar or a Tank Commander to give orders to.
“I think 2x2 Allarus will be in every Custodes list”
Maybe, but slapping Slayers of Nightmares on a brick of them is going to be some terrifying and needed anti-tank, and while you can target both with a Shield Captain on the table, I think the ability may be better spent on a more expensive stratagem.
Be 2nd
Use "Rapid Ingress" in Enemy Turn2
Watch him die inside when u bring down 6 Chunky Bois behind a Building
The custodes player forgot that allarus reroll wounds against vehicles 😂
What i found funny about the first vehicle combat of the game...the Leman Russ also had the smoke keyword, giving it the same ability the Land Raider had. He just didn't use it.
I’m surprised they used a picture of Trajan as the custodes icon rather than valdor since you know valdor is his favorite model
Prwtty sure you cant charge a unit through the aegis, as it is a unit not a terrain feature. You have to destroy it first
at 1:05:00ish when the BC attacked the rogal you had him zero out a devestating wound attack. He cannot do that. As soon as you roll the 6 to wound, the attack is converted to 3 mortals. The rogal dorn ability lets you reduce the damage of an allocated attack, but the attack is only allocated as mortals.
If the attack is converted to 0 damage then there's no mortals because there's no damage
Wrong!
As always modifiers come first.
If you have inbuilt -1 dmg, you will always receive one less mortal from dev wounds
@michaelsuebach2016 Wrong! Reread the rogal dorn's ability.
@@michaelsuebach2016 RAW im actually correct, but the designers commentary cleared up the RAI of it.
Bridger please, wording is pretty clear about eligibility to shoot ;p
Yeah, he came across as just looking for reasons to hate 10th.
I haven’t watched yet but 45 infantry dosent seem to be enough. I’m use to taking 80 to 110. How is 45 going to control the board? I will see I guess just a rant
You control the board with russes and sentinels
Did tjeu test anything? And did they think about the lack of interaction that leads to frustration when people play against them?
Does everyone get karate? Isn't it a keyword on the datasheets for only the custodes models?
Bridger mixed faction keywords and faction abilities. You need your entire army to share the same faction keyword (in this case, Adeptus Custodes), ignoring exceptions like Agents of the Imperium. But according to the Army Rules page, you can only use a faction ability if said unit actually HAS the faction ability. Vigilators lack the Martial Ka'tah ability, so they cannot benefit from it.
The same happens with cult marines in CSM armies (Khorne Berzerkers, Rubric Marines and Plague Marines): they don't have Dark Pacts.
So do sisters and vehicles get the 4+ vs mortal wounds, and it does seem land raiders have the martial karate keyword would it benefit from the karate rule then?
Question does Trajanns Captain General ability ignore rules that ignore Invulnerable saves and rules that ignore FNP? I've been trying to figure this out?
Now that we have the designers commentary:
"Eligible to Shoot (when not equipped with ranged weapons): Unless
a unit Advanced or Fell Back this turn or is Locked in Combat, it is
eligible to shoot, even if no models in that unit are equipped with
ranged weapons. This means that such units can be selected for any
rules that require you to select a unit that is eligible to shoot."
So, any insight into what went wrong here? Is Guard just bad or was it a bad matchup or what?
Custodes present a very difficult set of target profiles that require specific weapons to deal with. It's hard for a take-all-comers list to deal with. It's basically heavy infantry skew. Because neither list is super optimized, the guard aren't focused enough to have the tools needed to deal with them. Also the position of that central ruin is really strong if the Custodes get in there. Hard to remove them.
You’ll see closer matches once they’re more familiar with the edition and bring more honed lists. These “try a bit of everything” lists to learn the new edition can lead to lopsided matches for the reasons listed in another reply.
The terrain in this game definitely favoured the close quarters nature of the custard boys, but as others have mentioned, for these effectively exhibition games they are trying to shoe-horn in a little bit of everything to show off the indexes rather than present a competitive list
That's also concerning lol. It sounds like you'll only beat Custodes if you tailor your list against heavy elite infantry. So any take all comers lists will get stomped or be at a disadvantage while the Custodes TAC list won't have that problem. That's playing rock paper scissors and not healthy game design imo. But it's too early to tell. I just hope Custodes won't turn out to be good at everything and have no weakness.
The guard commander had no idea wtf he was doing in building a list, deployment or how to play guard.
Do both sides start with 1 cp each?
What are you all using for points
Where do I get that tshirt Bridger is wearing?
The Pineapple 🍍 Games!! Luv it! Thanks for the very great games! A warm welcome to 10th!
Maybe the custodes in the spartan jump out, do some karate, then drive away again 😂
Probably heard this from a hundred folks already but Faction Keyword != Faction Ability.
Man losing that ten men guardian units feels hard( more power to you, Bridger, and let them golden boys stand strong
Bro....did you move your Custodes like 14" on turn 1?
The old format where you show the actual models in the beginning is much better... the structured list is cool but could just pop up for 5 a second for anyone who wants to pause it. 🤷♂️
so i'm just going to deep strike everything other than allarus. they will be on the objectives, make them sticky, then go into golden light and deep strike
Halloween came early this year.
A Spax?
Who let the brand new recruit command an imperial guard army? 😂😂😂
Lmfao 😂 underrated comment
this custodes list would beat a triple wraithknight list.
How do you guys know the pointcost of the units?
content creator privilege, they have the rules and are under NDA until they're public tomorrow
Need to make something like only infantry score in the next mission book or something
RIP Knights. Custodes would celebrate, though.
@@Florkl obviously there would have to be a carve out for knights as there has been when it was done in past editions
Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but where are they getting point values for their units? Are they still using 9th point values? I thought GW hasn't released values yet? Someone help me understand.
They have the points values directly from GW and under an NDA until Friday
They are playtesters and have the points. They just can't share them until he officially announces them
"OHHHHH NOOOOOO..... wow"
Are they allowed to say how many points each of these armies cost? I'm.guwssing not, but I'm also guessing they're playing a 3,000pt game cause dats a lot of bananas.
It’s a hair over 2k points of Custodes based on 9th edition numbers.
Supposedly they are playing 2 k points in all the recent videos
It feels like more Custodes then usually because it's almost exclusively foot guys, while current lists include many bikes and dreadnoughts that lower the total amount of models significantly
Reroll wounds!
You are litterly the army whe can take the point the most easy and you have Just 7 point 💀
Thats why AM lost. Spaming only tanks is a stupid strategy.
Do they have the pts? or are they guesstimating the pts? They dont tell us.
They have the points, they can’t say them due to being play testers, the mfm ones out this Friday I think
@@PrestonMcgill thanks, so these lists are accurate? That's good to know
They probably just used 9th edition points the other ones I saw were
Not play testers just content creators. Play tester get early version of the rules way before they start releasing a new edition. GW didn’t really use any play testers for tenth to “minimize leaks” and it really shows in some of the rules interactions.
The guy in blue literally cannot process the idea that he could be wrong about something. You can see the look on his face when they clarify the "eligibility to shoot" thing. At one point the words "well I still don't get it" are literally ABOUT to roll out of his mouth but he stops. Lmao so cringe.
Core rules say a unit is eligible to shoot unless:
That unit Advanced this turn
or
That unit Fell Back this turn.
You don't look at the loadout until step 2. You don't need a gun to be eligible to shoot. You do need a gun to shoot but not to do actions.
I make this comment mid video so if they come to the same conclusion in 30 minutes when referencing the core rules i would not be surprised.
This is brutal - don't be an index codex with Guard in the title (AM are always Imperial Guard to me)
BRUTAL
Sisters do not get "karate"
Indirect hitting on 3s is just stupid imo, theyre gonna need to be really careful with points or this edition is gonna be a veto vs guard for me
If you're worried about indirect hitting on 3s there's worse than guard to worry about
Oh, don't worry. Guard's indirect fire won't hit you on 3s... It will hit you on 2s. Rerolling 1s and autowounding on 6s.
@@HarverTheSlayer and ignoring cover if target was hit by hellhounds
i for one won't be playing with people using Power Level Points. hope my locals will agree to not use stupid, predatory rules made to sell more models.
They got rid of power level
@@squelch3000 yes, and replaced it with Power Level Points. which is why you can take 3 or 6 Wardens, despite there being 5 in a box; or 2,3,5 or 6 Allarus - but not 4. it makes a GW sales manager cry when you take 4 Allarus.
yep the cheeze lords of gw strike again all hail the custodes, heres hoping they recieve a ton of nerfs this edition.
The custodian player is an annoying know it all
Bridger brought a crap list. More than a little bit disappointed, and I love running 10 man bricks of guard with Trajann pumping them up.
2 epic heroes in the Custodes? Yeah, can’t do that…
You in fact can
Infantry are bad
Horrible custodes list…..
Why do you thienk that?
Some people think if the list isn’t min/max for top tier competition it’s a horrible list. They are just playing for fun. I bring lots of “horrible lists” to friendly games just for fun. Like Hammerfall Bunkers and Firestrike Turrets and Reivers with Imperial Fists, cause I’m having fun. That’s what they are doing, having fun. Not testing a list for the London Grand Tournament.
it's better than bikes as of this new index.
Yeah not even a good guard list as well. But great unit variety to show off data sheets
Mmm yes the meta definitely developed enough to say that an army that won 42-7 is “horrible”
I'm really impressed with the Guard rules. I'm gonna test the absolute hell out of them.