The idea of Total Depravity, when followed to it's logical end, teaches that the only reason that anyone is in hell is because God did not see fit to save them, not that they would not believe, but that God would not let them believe. This idea is NOT biblical, and turns God into a monster, a demon who has created billions of souls that he never intended to offer Salvation.
I believe what is a pillar concept on total depravity and doing good is a true faith. For we can do many 'good' things, but we cannot please God without faith, and as Paul states, its sinful to do anything not in faith. But through faith, we can then please God.
I love you my brother in Christ. To be honest I consider you an Elder, a leader of Christian Nation. I pray to God we will meet in Heaven. God bless you Dr Brown!
@@shizzymack623 He is from Apple he hates android ignore him he cannot understand android unless he has an android heart. He will always choose death cause that is the nature of the corruption of apples.
The kindness of an unbeliever is due to the remnant of God's image in them. Nevertheless, the unbeliever counts this kindness as righteous before a Holy God. No matter how good we think we are, we are not good enough. God said, "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased". We need Christ's righteousness.
According to Paul God "made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would SEEK HIM and perhaps reach out for him AND FIND HIM, though he is not far from any one of us." (Acts 17:26-27)
itsnotaboutme Can you teach your children to fear God or are they born to be a certain type of soil and it’s all out of the hands of the parents as to how their child will look at life and what choices they will make?
@@evanu6579 I believe it's up to each of us what kind of soil we are, but we can influence others--including our kids--to be like the soil that receives the Word and bears fruit.
John 3-8 says "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" he is referring to salvation i can control it neither can't you... just study your bible with a open mind
Is that what they now tell Calvinists, @@steventhury8366? Little babies burn alive in Hell for eternity just so the Calvinist god can get some glory ... and you think the guy "was the most thorough theologian?" Do you not see how sick & twisted Reformed Theology has made Yahweh out to be?
@@IndianaJoe0321 Totally depraved means depraved from conception. We are all fallen in sin. An infant has not committed an actual sin, but they are born with the propensity to sin and will sin. This is easy to see if you have children or have been around them. A small child needs salvation just as a grown adult. It appears you are just interpreting Scripture based on your feelings first. In other words, you place yourself above Holy Writ.
Yes, God draws all men to himself, but they can choose to resist him. John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." Heb 3:7 "Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion," "
John 12:32 is in the context of gentile people coming to Jesus during His ministry. He consistently insisted on ministering to Israel and not to the gentiles. However, in this verse He tells His disciples that He will draw Jews and Gentiles "if I am lifted up" (i.e. the cross). John 6:44 seems to make it clear that those who are drawn are raised by Christ and thus not all are drawn. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."
@@josiahroyer1062 That is how you have to interpret it to line up with Calvinism, but in verse 26 he just got done talking about how if anyone serves Jesus, they serve the Father. The word anyone would have to continuously not mean anyone if looking through the filter of Calvinism. 1 John 2:2 the whole world can't mean the whole world, in 1 Tim 2:3-6 all people can't mean all people, John 3:16 can't mean whole world, and Acts 17:30 can't really mean all men everywhere...the list goes on. Read scripture without the filter of Calvinism and it is clear that anyone can believe.
@@jcthomas3408 but all of these have to be consistent with jn 6:44 above. You can't pit scripture against scripture. The question is, which is most consistent with scripture. How does Jesus address the question of the Greeks who came to him in John 12 on your view? I've studied the texts you listed. I don't think any of them are inconsistent with calvinism. Further, I think what you are putting forward is clearly incompatible with scripture. We won't solve the debate here. In the end we're brothers in Christ.
@@josiahroyer1062 John 6:44 says "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." That means no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. Then Jesus says he draws all men. So all can come, but not all do come. I think Jesus made is clear in verse 26 that anyone, Greek or Jew, can come to him. I agree that you are my brother, but I think Calvinism limits ministry. People get caught up in teaching the Calvinist steps instead of the gospel. And for some personalities, thinking that God ordained every single thing that happens takes away the enthusiasm for outreach, or even self improvement. God is Sovereign without having to cause sin or cause people to believe in him.
@@jcthomas3408 Jesus does not say he will draw all men in jn 6. It is not good exegesis to import concepts from one passage into another. Concerning missionary effort, I don't think calvinism should have any diminishing effect on witnessing. Further, that is beside the point. I want to know what is true and Biblical, not what I or someone else believes will make me better at witnessing.
John 1 verse 9 says the light of christ in in all men. Paul says God appoints the times and places so that we might seek and grope for HIM. Paul goes on to say that we ALL have the Light of Creation and Light of conscience so no man is without excuse -to exercise his free will and come to GOD.Crystal Clear.
@@FRN2013 the only way anyone becomes noble with a good heart,if we Respond to Gods command to Repent- without Gods Grace we are sinful,hell bound people-But He did give ALL men grace to be able to come to the cross ,our Choice to accept or reject!
itsnotaboutme Was a murderer that way from birth or did it take many bad choices to come to that point? What about an alcoholic or drug addict? Were they born that way or did it take a string of bad choices to become addicted? Thanks and God bless
@Philip Rice all men are given LIGHT as Paul states,you want to split hairs fine. Paul goes on to say that the light of creation and the Light of conscience convicts ALL men an no one is without an Excuse.So the context is clear.
@Philip Rice YOU stuck in the calvanistic thought,an so you must twist the context to fit that narrative as i did for years until i woke up.-if ALL men are without an excuse then all men can come to the light.Jesus pleads even with the Pharasees an says ,i say these things to you so you might be saved-Jesus was telling them if you dont believe i am HE you shall die in your sins-they said to Him your only a mere man and Jesus said if you dont believe what i say fine but then believe in the works that i do-he gave them all the proof they needed with miracles and outward signs proving his Diety.if He already chose some before all things why would he say these things. GOD Commands ALL men Everywhere to Repent -again crystal clear.not some all.But many wont
Revelation 22:12-14 King James Version 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Good thing the gospel draws us, and puts our mind on things of the spirit. And the Bible says we can understand the gospel as mere men, and place our faith in the gospel unto salvation. That’s why the word of god is the power unto salvation.
@@abecarranza7585 the Bible is pretty clear. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the world of god. The word of god is the power unto salvation. Romans 10:16-17 KJV [16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? [17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 1:16 KJV [16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
@@craigjoyner9857 So in other words, you have decided to ignore my question and simply throw around texts that speak nothing concerning the claim that 'we can understand the gospel as mere men' ? The above scriptures say nothing about 'mere men' nor 'understanding the gospel'. You are reading your Arminian presuppositions into those texts.
@@abecarranza7585, the burden of proof is on you. You are asserting that we need some miraculous work, to be able to understand the gospel message. That’s not what the Bible says though. The Bible says that the gospel is the power of god unto salvation, and that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. From your position, we can believe everything else in the world, except the truest thing in the world, and you don’t have a shred of Bible to support that position.
"Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time" (Genesis 6:5).
@@Android-ds9ie it is clear you sre deceived... i dont what happened in your life to make you think this way... but from what i see your blasphemous words will get you nowhere but lead you only to destruction...
I think people are addicted to power and choice. I believe people choose to be selfish, but when people "choose" to be loving and kind and self-sacrificing, then that is evidence of the work of God in them. For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure (Phil 2:13). Most people seem to be offended for God to work in them, they want to take credit for their own good works, rather than give God the praise.
I certainly want God to work in me. Let us read the prior text in Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Bryan Melvin saw the prison cells in the pit. God said to him something like, Do not fear or ponder why these reside here. They all chose to walk away from God relying on personal self-sufficiency, thus rejecting true self-sufficiency that relies on God.
COME BACK TO ME I do not like seeing My children struggle, nor do I like them to feel alone. I AM the I AM, and I’m not subject to time or physical barriers. What I am subject to is the barriers of the heart. When people walk on the path of this world instead of My path, I must leave them until they find their way back to Me. It breaks My heart when My children who I love,ignore Me, not recognizing Me or, even in some cases, avoiding Me so that they can partake in the sin of your world. There is nothing worth walking away from Me into the darkness, My loves. Nothing. I love you so, but I cannot manhandle or strong-arm you into a relationship with Me. It must be a voluntary action on your part. Once you are in a relationship with Me, I can operate in a different manner within our relationship, yes. But, if you are off in the world, I quite simply have to wait tugging at your heart strings, from time to time, hoping you will return to Me. Come back to Me, lost children. Let Me have the opportunity to shower you with My love and protect you. These things come when you abide in Me. When you continue to walk in sin and walk in this world, I cannot protect you from the consequences of your sin. If you knew how My heart grieved for you when you turn your faces from Me, My loves. I love you so, yet, you walk repetitively away from Me. Come home. Bask in My love and experience My joy in your life. You will see firsthand that no temporary pleasure on this earth is worth not being in fellowship with your creator who loves you. It does not matter where your right now, I will come to you. I will lift your face and shine My face upon you, if you will just come home. Love, Yeshua; 278Pikelk transcript from 2014
Men do good as well as evil, but none of the good man does can gain Salvation.Only by Gods Grace can we make it. God commands ALL men Everywhere to Repent.So God gives all grace to make the choice-Trust in Christ an you will be Saved.NO man is without any excuse-so the choice is ours-plain and simple.Calvanism makes no sense of the Cross.
Question: do you know of any place in the Bible where God drew someone to himself but then that person turned back to his sin and went in the opposite direction (Rom.9:19) ?
Not exactly a comprehensive treatment of an immensely important doctrine. You quoted one verse of scripture and ignored many other important passages. "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes." (Rom 3:10-18)
Dr Brown's "treatment" was more "comprehensive" than yours. And his was entirely correct. And you do not seem to disagree with him substantively. So why the whining?
@@FRN2013 It's amazing these days how when someone expresses a differing opinion, they are immediately accused of "whining." I was merely expressing my opinion and disappointment in the paucity of material and time spent on such an exceedingly important subject. I don't necessarily disagree with Dr. Brown, but I think his conclusion was watered down and incomplete. The Bible has much to say on this topic. It is a topic that most teachers these days avoid altogether. I give him credit for at least speaking about it, but it was a weak presentation. Regarding whining, I think you should ask yourself your own question.
@@dooglitas You have spent far more words complaining about his allegedly insufficient explanation than on your own explanation. Please tell us the complete teaching on this topic. BTW, what book in the Bible has an all-encompassing treatise on depravity? There is none. You have to look here and there throughout the Word. So do you also criticize the Biblical authors? My main point is that you have no real reason to criticize Dr Brown.
@@IndianaJoe0321 LOL! The context only emphasizes the obvious meaning in the part I quoted. Here is the verse in its context. The meaning is quite clear: "What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes." (Rom 3:9-18)
You’re pretext needs contexts .“For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.” Romans 8:5 it’s a free will choice.
We have the choice, we can't save ourselves, but we are ultimately responsible for accepting or rejecting the gospel and if you want to call hearing the gospel and then making a decision drawing then yes, we are drawn otherwise God does not magically "draw" men other than through preaching and the gospel....
Paul said in his FLESH dwelt no good thing. Yet in his mind he wanted to serve the Lord. The context is his life under the Mosaic Law (see logical flow of Romans 7). So man is not totally depraved. He just is drawn to sin and the Law makes it worse.
No. Total Depravity is not Biblical and is in fact of the spirit of anti-Christ as it denies Hebrews 2:14-18, that Jesus was like us in EVERY respect to redeem us and therein meets the condition of 1 John 4:2-3. Moreover it repeats the same blame shifting lie of Adam "it was the woman you gave me" saying instead of their sin "it was the nature you gave me".
You don't even see that you are contradicting yourself. (Rom. 2:14). But you didn't even put Rom. 8:7-8 in its context. Paul said in ch.7, "I am carnal, sold under sin." That's present tense. The passage is talking about believers who live earthy, carnal lives vs. those who live by the Spirit. It has nothing to do with total depravity/inability as an unregenerate lost person. Context is king.
God gave us free will. A person can either resist God’s grace or accept and embrace/perservere till the end. It doesn’t mean that we are sinners, we use this as an excuse to commit sins specially those[sins] which will lead us to death[spiritual death] or bar us to heaven. All epistles were written by the apostles to warn the faithful not the infidels to act as what they had been told from the beginning- walk in the spirit not in the flesh.
Just a question in light of your explanation which I mostly agree with. How is it that men like Job , Moses, Abraham, Noah,? Enoch and many according to scripture sought to please God make sacrifices to him etc. seemingly of their own free will? Without any prompting. In addition if we have a sinful nature that I’m born with how is it that I’m supposed to repent of that?
Hey there! Those men that you mentioned were prompted by God. God has acted first by revealing Himself through creation (Romans 1) and through the Word of God. Adam no doubt had passed along what he had seen, heard, and experienced, too. The point is that God has acted first!
Hence the title to this video which then answers the question, therefore Dr. Whites response will be an isogesis unbiblical response. There's no reason to go back and forth tho, people can just go back to their debate.
Anthony Fraire Or it will be an exegetical biblical response. Dr. Brown is only bringing up issues that have already been addressed by Reformed theologians. It is sad actually in some respect because these disagreements make it look like God is unable to clearly communicate with His creation. He didn’t give us His word so a hundred different people can have a hundred different interpretations on the same scriptures. Unbelievers look at this and say that we can’t even agree among ourselves what the Bible is saying so why should they believe it?
Dr. White needs to do Olympic-level linguistic gymnastics and eisegesis in order to shoehorn the Calvinist ideology into the Text. That's the way Reformed Theology works.
So we could say that man is capable of attempting good but will always fall short of God's standard. An unregenerate man can love his wife, but that love will not measure up to the fulness of the love that the law requires. Man can give alms, but their heart and their actions will not be completely willing, or they will hold back a little more, umming and ahhing over how much to give, or only giving out of their excess. That kind of thing? A man might see their need for salvation to a degree, without realizing the depths of their own depravity, and might wish to do better, or be better, but they could never fully commit to seeking the LORD, or following Christ, without God drawing them to Himself. Does that sound right?
and is this a condition that man is born in? or do we go astray from the womb (meaning we are not born astray, but stumble off into sin and death from our earliest moments?)
It seems to me the "Calvinist" point is while we have the "Power" to say Yes or No to GOD, unless we are influenced by the Holy Spirit (having been chosen by GOD), ... We WILL Say NO! 😳
Total Depravity for Calvinist means humans are incapable of responding to the gospel. There’s no free will according to them and faith is a work. So total depravity is a garbage doctrine.
Receiving (Messiah) is different than seeking (God). Calvin was enamoured by Augustine who was from a gnostic cult, total depravity was his philosophy, not Bible at all.
WHAT IS TRUE REPENTANCE? True repentance is a permanent change of character and conduct. It involves a change of opinion respecting the nature of sin, and this change of opinion followed by a corresponding change of feeling towards sin. To one who truly repents, sin looks like a very different thing from what it does to him who has not repented. Instead of looking like a thing that is desirable or fascinating, it looks the very opposite, most odious and detestable, and he is astonished at himself, that he ever could have desired such a thing. He looks back upon it and exclaims, “How hateful, how detestable, how worthy of hell, such and such a thing was in me.” When he views sin in its tendencies, it awakens a vehement desire to stop it, and to save people from their sins, and roll back the tide of death. It sets his heart on fire, and he goes to praying, and laboring, and pulling sinners out of the fire with all his might, to save them from the awful tendencies of sin. When the Christian sets his mind on this, he will bestir himself to make people give up their sins. Just as if he saw all the people taking poison which he knew would destroy them, and he lifts up his voice to warn them to BEWARE. Repentance, when true and genuine, leads to confession and restitution. (Charles Finney) WHAT IS FALSE GRACE AS OPPOSED TO TRUE GRACE? FALSE GRACE has people in this perpetual state believing they are saved while they are actually living in disobedience (sin); disobedience is rebellion (sin). They do not believe in repentance daily. They are in danger and know it not. False grace is saying that they have no power to overcome, they are hopeless, and says that Yahushua’s (Jesus’s) sacrifice is insufficient to keep them from sin. It is saying that the power of His shed blood has NO power. In other words, they are confessing that the Holy Spirit is incapable of ridding anyone from weaknesses of the flesh and cannot change anyone from the inside out. Those that believe in this false grace are then not in Yahushua (Jesus) and put themselves under condemnation (nobody has to do it for them), put themselves under God’s wrath and they will not receive salvation if they don’t come out from that way of thinking. False grace says we are all exempt from penalties of sin; this would be called heresy and they believe certain parts of the Bible no longer apply. It is a false sense of security but this is a lie and so far from truth because one must believe from the 1st word written to the last word in the Bible. False grace keep us in total selfishness. It is all about self; what one wants and desires. These people do not believe in holiness or that they will ever achieve it yet the Bible clearly states only those that overcome sin and the deeds of the flesh enter into the kingdom to come. We must have fruit in our lives and we are judged by how we live (our deeds) and He brings His reward at that time with Him to each one of us. When one believes no repentance daily is necessary they are easily ensnared into self and they make no effort to change. They feel they are fine with God yet they take no responsibility for their actions and just ride through life doing as they please thinking they will enter into God’s kingdom to come. TRUE GRACE speaks in a whole different language and will lead you to Holiness, to obedience and not because of works but simply these people truly love God. These people turn to God daily in true repentance admitting they need His help and need him in their lives, they ask for mercy, desiring to walk in obedience out of love and respect for a Most Holy God. They know God can do anything and nothing is impossible and they allow His Spirit to operate within them to bring about this change and as they are purged and purified, they grow to hate sin for they see how it has even hurt them and those that they love. They know that God helps us through all addictions and whatever else is deep within our hearts, our souls and empowers us to win the race and to overcome. This is how one defeats satan in the end. People must stop identifying with their sin because then you are in agreement with Satan to keep you in these strongholds and he wins and you lose and each one of us needs to kick him to the curb daily and start only identifying more with Holiness and the nature of God, His character. We must rid ourselves of our temptations and patterns that are not working in our favor and just get fed up with all the schemes of satan and how he pulls on our flesh. It is not as hard as people make it out to be because we have a friend called the Comforter who helps us along the way once we have accepted Yahushua (Jesus) as our King & Savior. To overcome we must walk the walk, not just talk the talk! Talking does nothing for anyone but there must be evidence of a changed life. How is anyone going to believe you are a true Christian brother or sister if you hate, are steeped in unforgiveness, slander, steal from family, sit at home drinking and doing drugs, in fornication, adultery, envy, jealousy, greed (list goes on and on) or whatever else your poison is. Do you truly think you are a Christian or do they see how you are lying even to yourself? You must come out from under that false grace way of thinking because without change, how are you really saved? Did Yahushua (Jesus) party on and partake of all the lusts back in his day, did He slander, steal, hate, or stay in unforgiveness or did He walk the walk and show us how to? Did He say to the Father, “sorry dad, I am not about to give up anything on this journey called life for you or for anyone else?” Yahushua (Jesus) walked and lived by God’s commandments and never went against Him. Think about this because it is so very important. Do not live under the lies of satan that God is good with us in sin and that we are fine dying in it. Remember satan is a deceiver, a liar, a thief and even a murderer. He is the one that took from you, caused your problems, makes you feel bad about yourself, talks you into vulgarity, perversions, lusts of all sorts. He could care less about you but drools all over himself making sure he sends his minions to keep you locked in tight in sin and in enmity with your Father who has always loved you from the start. Wake up for the hour is ending and this world is fading away and anyone who cannot see that I do not know what to say. It is all around us; here and in other nations & if you can’t tell things are rapidly going away then you are truly in the dark still. Once truly repentant, your eyes will be opened to see! Remember, SIN is a “heart condition”. God seeks the heart and if we live in disobedience, in constant hate, unforgiveness, bitterness and slandering others then our heart condition does not align with our Heavenly Father. Yes it is hard to get over things but if one truly repents from the heart, then you allow His Spirit in to do the work in you which frees you! There is much freedom in letting go. I speak from experience about satan and his tactics; he did everything he could to try and destroy me. There is no love for us in him…he is a snake charmer selling you a bill of goods that says you are a child of God forever if you remain in sin; instead he will escort you or have one of his generals do so on the way down to hell. Let love in; love that never fails…let the One who loved us all from the beginning. How hard is it to say you are sorry? We were born into sin through Adam and Eve so there is no getting around that part of it but we have an advocate, the Holy Spirit who was sent to us to help us, change us, intercede for us if we allow Him into our heart by asking for forgiveness with a contrite heart. Father in heaven loves us all very dearly and if He didn’t He would not put out so many Words about how important repentance is. He keeps reaching out His hand, so take His hand and let Him in! True grace gets you into New Jerusalem because you can overcome sin and false grace sends you straight to the pit of hell at the end of life’s journey. It is you that puts yourself into hell. God is Holy and cannot bear to be around sin He cannot and will not let those enter in. Daily repentance cleanses and purifies and why it is so necessary.
Jesus said to Nicodemus, as the Serpent was Lifted up in the Desert ,so Must the Son of Man also must be lifted up an then i will Draw ALL men to myself.So its clear we ALL have a choice -simple and Clear. accept Christ or reject HIM. Remember the two Thieves on their Crosses enuff said.God did NOT force them to believe or not.
Cannot please God, hostile to God, cannot submit to God,no one seeks God not even one, et al. The problem, based on the Bible, no one will choose given the choice. People dead in sin need to be made alive before they can choose. slaves must be set free by someone else, foolish people don't make the most wise decision they could ever make out of the depths of their foolishness. All glory to Christ none to me, lest I think I found it in myself to believe - just a little bit smarter, a bit better, a bit more humble than the other guy who is in the same way drawn by God.
Christ put to death the enmity and curse that was against us. Total depravity is an excuse that silence's the conviction of sin and allows people to justify they're sins. We have a free will and are capable of choosing not to sin against God. There is a Gospel that defends sin and its most accepted. My Gospel says that those who continue in sin do not have the Father but are of the Devil.
I don't believe the law of God is written on a unbelievers heart. Because that's the whole point of Christ taking out the heart of stone and putting in a heart of flesh. Writing His Law on our hearts. So I don't believe that is true when someone says we our created in the image of God and His Law is written on our hearts. I believe that our hearts our convicted by His Law naturally and yet we still rebel and sin against The Most High, as it says suppressing the knowledge of God. And that's what condemns us and that's why we need a saviour.
John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. I don’t see where you have a choice or to choose to “resist”. Unless you’re saying that you have the final say? your choice or doing is greater than His will? If God wills you to be saved to be one of the elect? You can resist?
@@gamerChau You quoted two verses from John 6, so I am asking you follow up questions because I believe you are using them as out of context proof texts. *"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.* Who is the Father giving to the Son? *No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.* Can you tell me next what verse 45 says?
Keegan, it's sad that Calvinists like @@gamerChau are taught to eisegete the Reformed ideas into the Text and take verse & passages completely out of context. Not only that, they also redefine words in order to further shoehorn their own ideas into the Text. #FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
IndianaJoe0321 What’s wrong with Calvinist view? Does he not got it from the Holy Bible? I personal have.. No theological background No seminary’s education . I read the Holy Bible and And watch a lot of TH-cam:) Keegan, I have seen further. Thanks be to God. But however you would like to put it, God’s will > anything and anyone’s will It’s quite clear. This book is not About you.. it’s about Him and His will.
Man is depraved in the sense that ALL of US sin, all fall short of GODS Glory,,there is not ONE Righteous,no not 1. All of us are destined to Hell, But God in Scripture reveals Himself to ALL men, so that we can escape that destination. Paul says in Romans that we All HAVE the Light of Conscience and the Light of Creation within and without,therefore no man has any Excuse!! SO God commands then ALL men Everywhere Repent and that means we can respond to the Gospel,that He gave first to the Jew and then to the Greek. the Jews were given the Gospel as Jesus said -Salvation is of the Jews. Meaning that God gave all of us a way out, an if we respond to the Light we can get the Light of Christ! Jesus tells Nicodemus no one can come to God unless God gives us the Way who is Christ. it does NOT mean that only a certain some is chosen or called.Judas was Called and Chosen,how did he lose it? Calvanists mix up clear scripture and twist it to follow thier narrative ,but there simply wrong.
Wow, read the verse and somehow did gymnastics. However, I appreciate that Dr. Brown did not throw the doctrine of total depravity out the window (except maybe the Calvinist sense, however, he seems to not understand the Calvinist view of total depravity either).
Trying to pin down a calvinist's view is like trying to nail jelly to a wall. There's a spectrum of calvinists, so to say he doesn't understand it is meaningless. He's debated the issue many times and understands it very well. When I speak to people about abortion, I use the term "murder" to describe what is happening to the children. Often times it's met with saying I am against the choice of women or it's just a fetus. Does that mean I don't understand abortion, simply because I bring it to a logical conclusion that the person doesn't like or I don't phrase what is happening how they would like? No, I understand the issue very well, they just don't like the conclusion I have arrived at, especially in light of other factors. Calvinism is the same thing. Whenever I am consistent with a calvinists views or don't describe it as they would like, I am without fail told "you don't understand calvinism". It's an exhausted argument (it's not an argument at all actually) and it needs to stop.
@@TKK0812 sorry, but you are not making any sense to me. The abortion thing sounds like a terrible comparison to this topic. Many non Calvinists use also hold to total depravity, many Arminians. So are they also subject to your criticism?
@@dennistakashima2449 In what specific way is my abortion analogy a terrible comparison? I wasn't comparing abortion to total depravity, I was simply showing that someone can come to vastly different conclusions and use completely different language than someone else regarding a subject, and that *would not* show that they didn't understand an issue. You've yet to demonstrate how exactly Dr. Brown "doesn't understand" total depravity. My point was Dennis is that just because you don't like the way someone phrases something or you don't agree with the logical or scriptural conclusions they come to, that is not the same thing as them "not understanding" a doctrine, especially because even within just calvinism their is a spectrum of beliefs that range across the tulip from people who would all identify as calvinists but hold very different views. Saying to someone they "don't understand" something is not an argument and people need to stop saying it. I don't know if you're a calvinist, but this "you don't understand calvinism" thing is 95% of the time the first response I hear from calvinists when discussing with them.
Typical Calvinist response, @@dennistakashima2449 -- just make a false ad hominem argument and attack Dr. Brown's understanding of the issue. Dr. Brown was a rabid Calvinist, just like Dr. Leighton Flowers. The difference between them and you neo-Gnostic friends is that Dr.'s Brown & Flowers care about the Text and it's meaning. Unlike Calvinists, they don't need to conduct linguistic gymnastics and eisegesis in order to make their teachings appear to fit the Text.
@@IndianaJoe0321 funny, most rabid Calvinists are what we call cage stage. If someone is a "rabid Calvinist", then they most likely have not fully mature Calvinists. Such would explain why Brown and Leighton were "rabid" Calvinists. As a Calvinist I am not amazed that you and the brothers Leighton and Brown are not Calvinists. The Christian Faith is a difficult thing to accept. We all struggle with the theology. I myself, as a Christian, struggled with Original Sin. And then later with the doctrines of grace. However, the Spirit lead me to accept them each over a long time. The Spirit is the only one who can get us into the Faith and to accept the doctrines as we are sanctified by Him.
You Are Absolutely Wrong > That's Not What God's Word Teaches > God Chose His Elect, In Eternity, Before The Foundations of The World - If Any Human Being Chooses God, It's Because /God Chose Him First/ - / God's Not Lost, We Are/ -It's God Who Regenerates Blind, Bound & Spiritually-Dead - Sinners - Anyway > BLESSINGS > FROM HEAVEN > JOHN 1:12-13 @@tookie36
Many advocates for man’s free will often cite verses like John 3:16, which in no way actually address man’s ability to believe. So here is a list of verses that actually use the Greek word for can/able and specifically address man’s INABILITY. In The Original GOD-Breathed Greek NT, The exact Literal phrase for NOT ABLE is OU DUNATAI, and specifically occurs in most of these Scriptures as well as many others : Mark 10:26-27/Literal : But they were Exceedingly Astonished, Saying to themselves, And who is ABLE to be Saved? And having Looked at them, Jesus says, With Humans It is IMPOSSIBLE, But Not with God, For All Things are POSSIBLE with God. John 3:3/Literal : NO one is ABLE to See The Kingdom of God, Unless he Has been Begotten from Above. John 3:27/Literal : NO one is ABLE to Receive Anything, Unless It Has been Given to him from Heaven. John 6:44/Literal : NO one is ABLE to Come to Me, Unless he Has been Drawn by The Father. John 6:65/Literal : NO one is ABLE to Come to Me, Unless It Has been Given to him from The Father. John 8:43/Literal : Why do you Not Understand My Speech? Because you are NOT ABLE to Hear My Word. John 12:39/Literal : Because of This, They were NOT ABLE to Believe. John 14:17/Literal : The Spirit of The Truth, Whom the World is NOT ABLE to Receive, Because It does Not See Him, Nor Know Him, But you Know Him, Because He Abides with you, And will be in you. Romans 8:7-8/Literal : Because the Mind of the Flesh is Hostile to God, For It is Not Subject to The Law of God, For It is NOT even ABLE to be, And those Being in the Flesh are NOT ABLE to Please God. 1 Corinthians 2:14/Literal : But the Soulical Human does Not Accept The Things of The Spirit of God, For They are Foolishness to him, And he is NOT ABLE to Know Them, Because They are Spiritually Discerned. 1 Corinthians 12:3/Literal : Therefore I Make Known to you, Because No one speaking in The Spirit of God says Anathema Jesus, And NO one is ABLE to say Lord Jesus, Except in The Holy Spirit. IF we were ABLE, To Believe (John 12:39), Or Be Saved (Mark 10:26-27), Or Hear His Word (John 8:43), Or Receive Anything (John 3:27), Or Receive His Spirit (John 14:17), Or See The Kingdom of God (John 3:3), Or Come to The Lord (cf. John 6:37,6:44, 6:65), IN & OF ourselves (cf. John 1:13, 6:63-65, Ephesians 2:8), APART from HIS Saving GRACE (cf. Ephesians 2:1-5, 2 Timothy 1:9), THEN there would be NO NEED for HIS Saving GRACE. Ultimately, It is BECAUSE OF HIM that we are in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30, Ephesians 1:4-11), and NOT OF ourselves (Ephesians 2:8, cf. John 1:13, 6:63-65, Romans 9:16), for OF HIS OWN WILL, HE Brought us Forth through The Word of Truth (James 1:18).
Can people know if they're part of the "elect" and therefore saved? Do you know if you're elect? Did Christ die for you? There are lots of christians that have made strong cases against Calvinism on the basis of Scripture (Lutheranism) Even if I'm predestined to hell, and God's Irresistible Grace doesn't ever come near me or my family.. I hope you're one of the elect, I would love to see everyone saved. As someone who does not know if he is one of the "elect" but loves to serve the Lord, I'll continue to preach the gospel even in the depths of hell.
There are other scriptures one can site which is why I and others do not hold to the Calvin view. We are commanded to repent and believe, that is, an imperative injunction to the person or persons who hears the Gospel. Calvinist will say those who got saved were regenerated first, afterwards they believed and thus are saved: total depravity. Is the command to repent and to believe solely a work of the grace of God on the person and not to the individual who is hearing the Gospel message? Also, if the unregenerate can't believe or have faith apart from the Holy Spirit, needing to be regenerated first, why do we find fallen men responding in faith and encouraged not to fear? John 6:Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. The work of God is to believe on Jesus which takes an effort on our part "to labour on the meat" Christ Jesus. Even Faith, in any healing, or thing God does, we have to have faith. But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Matthew 14:24-31 24But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. 25And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. 26And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. 27But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. 28And Peter answered him and said,29And he said, Come. And when . 30But when ; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, Jesus saved Peter but he was told: "O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?" This is Christ own words, that our FAITH can be DIMINISHED OR be of "LITTLE faith," thereby, FEAR and DOUBT caused Peter to lose the faith he had to come and walk on the water as Jesus Christ did. As the book of James, in chapter 1:6-8,"But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." Hence, God commands us to have faith which is a gift of God; however, there is something on our part to obtain and a RESPONSE to that faith gift. Peter by God's Spirit had the faith to walk on water but FEAR caused Peter to sink, hence, his FAITH DIMINISHED. If we, according to Calvinism, only can have faith by God due to our nature with no participation, Peter's faith should have REMAINED: NO WAVERING; that is to say, regarding if there is NO working together of our faith along with the working of God, called , then Peter's faith should not DIMINISHED for FEAR of the wind. Therefore, faith is a PARTICIPATION and or by the Holy Spirit and MAN. Secondly, in Mark 9:22, 23,24, the man whose son was possessed with a demon since he was a child, said to Jesus Christ: “if you can can do anything” which Jesus replied “If you can all things are possible to him who BELIEVES”** Very essential point ,the Lord STRESSED that "IF YOU CAN", not If I can; for the Lord can do all things, but "If you can" then all things are possible, if you believe, which do DISPLAY that we have TO HAVE FAITH; hence, the man said “I believe” Verb “Help mine, unbelief” This is PROOF that it is the Lord’s grace and by His Spirit to AID our unbelief, the little faith we may have: we HAVE TO RESPOND IN FAITH More importantly, jairus’ had FAITH but the messengers WORD brought forth FEAR. Mark 9: While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, , and she shall be made whole. Notice, jairus who had faith in the Lord at first, but fear of that message LESSENED HIS FAITH . According to Matthew 9:18,19,23-25; Mark 5:22, *23,* 35,*36*-43 gives VITAL DETAILS which Matthew does not provide; Luke 8:41,42,*49,* *50,* Jairus had faith that Jesus could heal his daughter by saying "that she may be healed; and she SHALL LIVE," exhibits of a FUTURE event: faith she will be whole. Then a messenger delivered a frightening message which made Jairus faith lessen or DIMINISH. ***Mark 5:36 is Verb-action, Present, Imperative which is a , Active 2nd person (V-PMA-2p) and Luke 8:50 Verb, Aorist-an unqualified past tense of a verb without reference to duration or completion of the action., Imperative or COMMAND, Active voice, in 2nd person (V-AMA-2S) **. Therefore, faith is a gift of God but that faith can be canceled out: by our unbelief and or fear of our surrounds.
COME BACK TO ME I do not like seeing My children struggle, nor do I like them to feel alone. I AM the I AM, and I’m not subject to time or physical barriers. What I am subject to is the barriers of the heart. When people walk on the path of this world instead of My path, I must leave them until they find their way back to Me. It breaks My heart when My children who I love,ignore Me, not recognizing Me or, even in some cases, avoiding Me so that they can partake in the sin of your world. There is nothing worth walking away from Me into the darkness, My loves. Nothing. I love you so, but I cannot manhandle or strong-arm you into a relationship with Me. It must be a voluntary action on your part. Once you are in a relationship with Me, I can operate in a different manner within our relationship, yes. But, if you are off in the world, I quite simply have to wait tugging at your heart strings, from time to time, hoping you will return to Me. Come back to Me, lost children. Let Me have the opportunity to shower you with My love and protect you. These things come when you abide in Me. When you continue to walk in sin and walk in this world, I cannot protect you from the consequences of your sin. If you knew how My heart grieved for you when you turn your faces from Me, My loves. I love you so, yet, you walk repetitively away from Me. Come home. Bask in My love and experience My joy in your life. You will see firsthand that no temporary pleasure on this earth is worth not being in fellowship with your creator who loves you. It does not matter where your right now, I will come to you. I will lift your face and shine My face upon you, if you will just come home. Love, Yeshua; 278Pikelk transcript from 2014
The idea of Total Depravity, when followed to it's logical end, teaches that the only reason that anyone is in hell is because God did not see fit to save them, not that they would not believe, but that God would not let them believe. This idea is NOT biblical, and turns God into a monster, a demon who has created billions of souls that he never intended to offer Salvation.
I believe what is a pillar concept on total depravity and doing good is a true faith. For we can do many 'good' things, but we cannot please God without faith, and as Paul states, its sinful to do anything not in faith. But through faith, we can then please God.
I love you my brother in Christ. To be honest I consider you an Elder, a leader of Christian Nation. I pray to God we will meet in Heaven. God bless you Dr Brown!
You are going to hell lots of Fire
Android 10.0 why ?
@@shizzymack623 He is from Apple he hates android ignore him he cannot understand android unless he has an android heart. He will always choose death cause that is the nature of the corruption of apples.
The kindness of an unbeliever is due to the remnant of God's image in them. Nevertheless, the unbeliever counts this kindness as righteous before a Holy God. No matter how good we think we are, we are not good enough. God said, "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased". We need Christ's righteousness.
Somebody got it right, maybe this dude in this video will read your comment and learn something!
According to Paul God "made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would SEEK HIM and perhaps reach out for him AND FIND HIM, though he is not far from any one of us." (Acts 17:26-27)
Exactly God commands all men everywhere to Repent.many wont.
"But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."
(Luke 8:15)
itsnotaboutme
Can you teach your children to fear God or are they born to be a certain type of soil and it’s all out of the hands of the parents as to how their child will look at life and what choices they will make?
@@evanu6579 I believe it's up to each of us what kind of soil we are, but we can influence others--including our kids--to be like the soil that receives the Word and bears fruit.
John 3-8 says "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" he is referring to salvation i can control it neither can't you... just study your bible with a open mind
I believe in Depravity of men. Just not the fake version of depravity taught by Calvinists.
It certainly is, @@retrograd332, but it sounds like you didn't watch the video.
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
John Calvin was the most thorough theologian on this side of the Apostle Paul.
Is that what they now tell Calvinists, @@steventhury8366? Little babies burn alive in Hell for eternity just so the Calvinist god can get some glory ... and you think the guy "was the most thorough theologian?"
Do you not see how sick & twisted Reformed Theology has made Yahweh out to be?
@@IndianaJoe0321 Totally depraved means depraved from conception. We are all fallen in sin. An infant has not committed an actual sin, but they are born with the propensity to sin and will sin. This is easy to see if you have children or have been around them. A small child needs salvation just as a grown adult. It appears you are just interpreting Scripture based on your feelings first. In other words, you place yourself above Holy Writ.
Steven Thury
Calvin was an unrepentant murderer. How can a murderer have eternal life?
Yes, God draws all men to himself, but they can choose to resist him. John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." Heb 3:7 "Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,"
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John 12:32 is in the context of gentile people coming to Jesus during His ministry. He consistently insisted on ministering to Israel and not to the gentiles. However, in this verse He tells His disciples that He will draw Jews and Gentiles "if I am lifted up" (i.e. the cross). John 6:44 seems to make it clear that those who are drawn are raised by Christ and thus not all are drawn.
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day."
@@josiahroyer1062 That is how you have to interpret it to line up with Calvinism, but in verse 26 he just got done talking about how if anyone serves Jesus, they serve the Father. The word anyone would have to continuously not mean anyone if looking through the filter of Calvinism. 1 John 2:2 the whole world can't mean the whole world, in 1 Tim 2:3-6 all people can't mean all people, John 3:16 can't mean whole world, and Acts 17:30 can't really mean all men everywhere...the list goes on. Read scripture without the filter of Calvinism and it is clear that anyone can believe.
@@jcthomas3408 but all of these have to be consistent with jn 6:44 above. You can't pit scripture against scripture. The question is, which is most consistent with scripture.
How does Jesus address the question of the Greeks who came to him in John 12 on your view?
I've studied the texts you listed. I don't think any of them are inconsistent with calvinism. Further, I think what you are putting forward is clearly incompatible with scripture. We won't solve the debate here. In the end we're brothers in Christ.
@@josiahroyer1062 John 6:44 says "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." That means no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. Then Jesus says he draws all men. So all can come, but not all do come.
I think Jesus made is clear in verse 26 that anyone, Greek or Jew, can come to him.
I agree that you are my brother, but I think Calvinism limits ministry. People get caught up in teaching the Calvinist steps instead of the gospel. And for some personalities, thinking that God ordained every single thing that happens takes away the enthusiasm for outreach, or even self improvement. God is Sovereign without having to cause sin or cause people to believe in him.
@@jcthomas3408 Jesus does not say he will draw all men in jn 6. It is not good exegesis to import concepts from one passage into another.
Concerning missionary effort, I don't think calvinism should have any diminishing effect on witnessing. Further, that is beside the point. I want to know what is true and Biblical, not what I or someone else believes will make me better at witnessing.
John 1 verse 9 says the light of christ in in all men. Paul says God appoints the times and places so that we might seek and grope for HIM. Paul goes on to say that we ALL have the Light of Creation and Light of conscience so no man is without excuse -to exercise his free will and come to GOD.Crystal Clear.
"But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."
(Luke 8:15)
@@FRN2013 the only way anyone becomes noble with a good heart,if we Respond to Gods command to Repent- without Gods Grace we are sinful,hell bound people-But He did give ALL men grace to be able to come to the cross ,our Choice to accept or reject!
itsnotaboutme
Was a murderer that way from birth or did it take many bad choices to come to that point?
What about an alcoholic or drug addict? Were they born that way or did it take a string of bad choices to become addicted?
Thanks and God bless
@Philip Rice all men are given LIGHT as Paul states,you want to split hairs fine. Paul goes on to say that the light of creation and the Light of conscience convicts ALL men an no one is without an Excuse.So the context is clear.
@Philip Rice YOU stuck in the calvanistic thought,an so you must twist the context to fit that narrative as i did for years until i woke up.-if ALL men are without an excuse then all men can come to the light.Jesus pleads even with the Pharasees an says ,i say these things to you so you might be saved-Jesus was telling them if you dont believe i am HE you shall die in your sins-they said to Him your only a mere man and Jesus said if you dont believe what i say fine but then believe in the works that i do-he gave them all the proof they needed with miracles and outward signs proving his Diety.if He already chose some before all things why would he say these things. GOD Commands ALL men Everywhere to Repent -again crystal clear.not some all.But many wont
WE are SAVED unto Good works-Never by them.
Revelation 22:12-14
King James Version
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
@@YoxxSHIxx Key for reward! Reward your earn by works!
Gift- eternal life you receive
Good thing the gospel draws us, and puts our mind on things of the spirit. And the Bible says we can understand the gospel as mere men, and place our faith in the gospel unto salvation. That’s why the word of god is the power unto salvation.
May I ask where does the bible say that 'we can understand the gospel as mere men?
@@abecarranza7585 the Bible is pretty clear. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the world of god. The word of god is the power unto salvation.
Romans 10:16-17 KJV
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? [17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 1:16 KJV
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
@@craigjoyner9857 So in other words, you have decided to ignore my question and simply throw around texts that speak nothing concerning the claim that 'we can understand the gospel as mere men' ?
The above scriptures say nothing about 'mere men' nor 'understanding the gospel'. You are reading your Arminian presuppositions into those texts.
@@abecarranza7585, the burden of proof is on you. You are asserting that we need some miraculous work, to be able to understand the gospel message. That’s not what the Bible says though. The Bible says that the gospel is the power of god unto salvation, and that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
From your position, we can believe everything else in the world, except the truest thing in the world, and you don’t have a shred of Bible to support that position.
@@craigjoyner9857 I mean you're the one who claimed that we can. The burden of proof would be definedly placed on you to prove that claim.
"Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time" (Genesis 6:5).
Because god is evil it is a myth that God is good he is not
@@Android-ds9ie show to me a verse in the bible that God is the author of evil and that He is not good. That is an atheist ludicrous notion !!!
@@Android-ds9ie it is clear you sre deceived... i dont what happened in your life to make you think this way... but from what i see your blasphemous words will get you nowhere but lead you only to destruction...
Just because man is evil, doesn't mean he can't respond to the gospel.
How can a man respond to a yes or no if he is dead spiritually?
2:26 your question is answered. Dr Brown and other arminians hold to prevenient grace
We analyzed the Gospel in our soul and responded with our heart, not our spirit. Romans 10:9,10
I think people are addicted to power and choice. I believe people choose to be selfish, but when people "choose" to be loving and kind and self-sacrificing, then that is evidence of the work of God in them. For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure (Phil 2:13). Most people seem to be offended for God to work in them, they want to take credit for their own good works, rather than give God the praise.
I certainly want God to work in me.
Let us read the prior text in Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
*cage stage intensifies*
Bryan Melvin saw the prison cells in the pit. God said to him something like, Do not fear or ponder why these reside here. They all chose to walk away from God relying on personal self-sufficiency, thus rejecting true self-sufficiency that relies on God.
"Sin is at the door, but you must master it.". God to Cain
There is no communication between dead saints and the living the bible is clear .
What does Solomon say in proverbs that no one can seek God unless God first draws him near.
COME BACK TO ME
I do not like seeing My children struggle, nor do I like them to feel alone. I AM the I AM, and I’m not subject to time or physical barriers. What I am subject to is the barriers of the heart. When people walk on the path of this world instead of My path, I must leave them until they find their way back to Me. It breaks My heart when My children who I love,ignore Me, not recognizing Me or, even in some cases, avoiding Me so that they can partake in the sin of your world. There is nothing worth walking away from Me into the darkness, My loves. Nothing. I love you so, but I cannot manhandle or strong-arm you into a relationship with Me. It must be a voluntary action on your part. Once you are in a relationship with Me, I can operate in a different manner within our relationship, yes. But, if you are off in the world, I quite simply have to wait tugging at your heart strings, from time to time, hoping you will return to Me. Come back to Me, lost children. Let Me have the opportunity to shower you with My love and protect you. These things come when you abide in Me. When you continue to walk in sin and walk in this world, I cannot protect you from the consequences of your sin. If you knew how My heart grieved for you when you turn your faces from Me, My loves. I love you so, yet, you walk repetitively away from Me. Come home. Bask in My love and experience My joy in your life. You will see firsthand that no temporary pleasure on this earth is worth not being in fellowship with your creator who loves you. It does not matter where your right now, I will come to you. I will lift your face and shine My face upon you, if you will just come home. Love, Yeshua;
278Pikelk transcript from 2014
Men do good as well as evil, but none of the good man does can gain Salvation.Only by Gods Grace can we make it. God commands ALL men Everywhere to Repent.So God gives all grace to make the choice-Trust in Christ an you will be Saved.NO man is without any excuse-so the choice is ours-plain and simple.Calvanism makes no sense of the Cross.
Amen. Calvinists admit that they are regenerated BEFORE they accept Christ and His atonement on the cross. They make the cross meaningless.
Question: do you know of any place in the Bible where God drew someone to himself but then that person turned back to his sin and went in the opposite direction (Rom.9:19) ?
I think King Saul could be an example of that.
Saul was like the one that Jesus told about in the Parable of the Sower. Who, for a time sprang up. But then rotted away because they had no root.
Not exactly a comprehensive treatment of an immensely important doctrine. You quoted one verse of scripture and ignored many other important passages.
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes."
(Rom 3:10-18)
Dr Brown's "treatment" was more "comprehensive" than yours.
And his was entirely correct.
And you do not seem to disagree with him substantively.
So why the whining?
@@FRN2013 It's amazing these days how when someone expresses a differing opinion, they are immediately accused of "whining." I was merely expressing my opinion and disappointment in the paucity of material and time spent on such an exceedingly important subject. I don't necessarily disagree with Dr. Brown, but I think his conclusion was watered down and incomplete. The Bible has much to say on this topic. It is a topic that most teachers these days avoid altogether. I give him credit for at least speaking about it, but it was a weak presentation.
Regarding whining, I think you should ask yourself your own question.
No, @@dooglitas , you threw out one of your programmed proof texts, which is -- as usual -- taken out of context.
@@dooglitas You have spent far more words complaining about his allegedly insufficient explanation than on your own explanation.
Please tell us the complete teaching on this topic.
BTW, what book in the Bible has an all-encompassing treatise on depravity?
There is none.
You have to look here and there throughout the Word.
So do you also criticize the Biblical authors?
My main point is that you have no real reason to criticize Dr Brown.
@@IndianaJoe0321 LOL! The context only emphasizes the obvious meaning in the part I quoted. Here is the verse in its context. The meaning is quite clear:
"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes."
(Rom 3:9-18)
You’re pretext needs contexts
.“For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.”
Romans 8:5 it’s a free will choice.
Amen.
We have the choice, we can't save ourselves, but we are ultimately responsible for accepting or rejecting the gospel and if you want to call hearing the gospel and then making a decision drawing then yes, we are drawn otherwise God does not magically "draw" men other than through preaching and the gospel....
Paul said in his FLESH dwelt no good thing. Yet in his mind he wanted to serve the Lord. The context is his life under the Mosaic Law (see logical flow of Romans 7). So man is not totally depraved. He just is drawn to sin and the Law makes it worse.
No. Total Depravity is not Biblical and is in fact of the spirit of anti-Christ as it denies Hebrews 2:14-18, that Jesus was like us in EVERY respect to redeem us and therein meets the condition of 1 John 4:2-3. Moreover it repeats the same blame shifting lie of Adam "it was the woman you gave me" saying instead of their sin "it was the nature you gave me".
You don't even see that you are contradicting yourself. (Rom. 2:14). But you didn't even put Rom. 8:7-8 in its context. Paul said in ch.7, "I am carnal, sold under sin." That's present tense. The passage is talking about believers who live earthy, carnal lives vs. those who live by the Spirit. It has nothing to do with total depravity/inability as an unregenerate lost person. Context is king.
God gave us free will. A person can either resist God’s grace or accept and embrace/perservere till the end. It doesn’t mean that we are sinners, we
use this as an excuse to commit sins specially those[sins] which will lead us to death[spiritual death] or bar us to heaven. All epistles were written by the apostles to warn the faithful not the infidels to act as what they had been told from the beginning- walk in the spirit not in the flesh.
Just a question in light of your explanation which I mostly agree with. How is it that men like Job , Moses, Abraham, Noah,? Enoch and many according to scripture sought to please God make sacrifices to him etc. seemingly of their own free will? Without any prompting. In addition if we have a sinful nature that I’m born with how is it that I’m supposed to repent of that?
Hey there! Those men that you mentioned were prompted by God. God has acted first by revealing Himself through creation (Romans 1) and through the Word of God. Adam no doubt had passed along what he had seen, heard, and experienced, too. The point is that God has acted first!
Chapter and Verse please of that preveniant grace thingy?
*crickets*
You know Dr. James White is going to refute this.
Hence the title to this video which then answers the question, therefore Dr. Whites response will be an isogesis unbiblical response. There's no reason to go back and forth tho, people can just go back to their debate.
Anthony Fraire Or it will be an exegetical biblical response. Dr. Brown is only bringing up issues that have already been addressed by Reformed theologians.
It is sad actually in some respect because these disagreements make it look like God is unable to clearly communicate with His creation. He didn’t give us His word so a hundred different people can have a hundred different interpretations on the same scriptures. Unbelievers look at this and say that we can’t even agree among ourselves what the Bible is saying so why should they believe it?
@@irishchocolate3872 The same can be said by the other side. Honestly it is a vicious cycle.
Dr. White needs to do Olympic-level linguistic gymnastics and eisegesis in order to shoehorn the Calvinist ideology into the Text. That's the way Reformed Theology works.
Well I dont care about James Muhammad White.
So we could say that man is capable of attempting good but will always fall short of God's standard. An unregenerate man can love his wife, but that love will not measure up to the fulness of the love that the law requires. Man can give alms, but their heart and their actions will not be completely willing, or they will hold back a little more, umming and ahhing over how much to give, or only giving out of their excess. That kind of thing?
A man might see their need for salvation to a degree, without realizing the depths of their own depravity, and might wish to do better, or be better, but they could never fully commit to seeking the LORD, or following Christ, without God drawing them to Himself. Does that sound right?
and is this a condition that man is born in? or do we go astray from the womb (meaning we are not born astray, but stumble off into sin and death from our earliest moments?)
It seems to me the "Calvinist" point is while we have the "Power" to say Yes or No to GOD, unless we are influenced by the Holy Spirit (having been chosen by GOD),
... We WILL Say NO! 😳
From a Calvinistic standpoint? No, absolutely not.
Dueteronomy says we may do it.
Total Depravity for Calvinist means humans are incapable of responding to the gospel. There’s no free will according to them and faith is a work. So total depravity is a garbage doctrine.
Receiving (Messiah) is different than seeking (God). Calvin was enamoured by Augustine who was from a gnostic cult, total depravity was his philosophy, not Bible at all.
A well balanced explanation!!! Thank you!!!
WHAT IS TRUE REPENTANCE?
True repentance is a permanent change of character and conduct. It involves a change of opinion respecting the nature of sin, and this change of opinion followed by a corresponding change of feeling towards sin. To one who truly repents, sin looks like a very different thing from what it does to him who has not repented. Instead of looking like a thing that is desirable or fascinating, it looks the very opposite, most odious and detestable, and he is astonished at himself, that he ever could have desired such a thing. He looks back upon it and exclaims, “How hateful, how detestable, how worthy of hell, such and such a thing was in me.” When he views sin in its tendencies, it awakens a vehement desire to stop it, and to save people from their sins, and roll back the tide of death. It sets his heart on fire, and he goes to praying, and laboring, and pulling sinners out of the fire with all his might, to save them from the awful tendencies of sin. When the Christian sets his mind on this, he will bestir himself to make people give up their sins. Just as if he saw all the people taking poison which he knew would destroy them, and he lifts up his voice to warn them to BEWARE. Repentance, when true and genuine, leads to confession and restitution. (Charles Finney)
WHAT IS FALSE GRACE AS OPPOSED TO TRUE GRACE?
FALSE GRACE has people in this perpetual state believing they are saved while they are actually living in disobedience (sin); disobedience is rebellion (sin). They do not believe in repentance daily. They are in danger and know it not. False grace is saying that they have no power to overcome, they are hopeless, and says that Yahushua’s (Jesus’s) sacrifice is insufficient to keep them from sin. It is saying that the power of His shed blood has NO power. In other words, they are confessing that the Holy Spirit is incapable of ridding anyone from weaknesses of the flesh and cannot change anyone from the inside out. Those that believe in this false grace are then not in Yahushua (Jesus) and put themselves under condemnation (nobody has to do it for them), put themselves under God’s wrath and they will not receive salvation if they don’t come out from that way of thinking. False grace says we are all exempt from penalties of sin; this would be called heresy and they believe certain parts of the Bible no longer apply. It is a false sense of security but this is a lie and so far from truth because one must believe from the 1st word written to the last word in the Bible. False grace keep us in total selfishness. It is all about self; what one wants and desires. These people do not believe in holiness or that they will ever achieve it yet the Bible clearly states only those that overcome sin and the deeds of the flesh enter into the kingdom to come. We must have fruit in our lives and we are judged by how we live (our deeds) and He brings His reward at that time with Him to each one of us. When one believes no repentance daily is necessary they are easily ensnared into self and they make no effort to change. They feel they are fine with God yet they take no responsibility for their actions and just ride through life doing as they please thinking they will enter into God’s kingdom to come.
TRUE GRACE speaks in a whole different language and will lead you to Holiness, to obedience and not because of works but simply these people truly love God. These people turn to God daily in true repentance admitting they need His help and need him in their lives, they ask for mercy, desiring to walk in obedience out of love and respect for a Most Holy God. They know God can do anything and nothing is impossible and they allow His Spirit to operate within them to bring about this change and as they are purged and purified, they grow to hate sin for they see how it has even hurt them and those that they love. They know that God helps us through all addictions and whatever else is deep within our hearts, our souls and empowers us to win the race and to overcome. This is how one defeats satan in the end.
People must stop identifying with their sin because then you are in agreement with Satan to keep you in these strongholds and he wins and you lose and each one of us needs to kick him to the curb daily and start only identifying more with Holiness and the nature of God, His character. We must rid ourselves of our temptations and patterns that are not working in our favor and just get fed up with all the schemes of satan and how he pulls on our flesh. It is not as hard as people make it out to be because we have a friend called the Comforter who helps us along the way once we have accepted Yahushua (Jesus) as our King & Savior.
To overcome we must walk the walk, not just talk the talk! Talking does nothing for anyone but there must be evidence of a changed life. How is anyone going to believe you are a true Christian brother or sister if you hate, are steeped in unforgiveness, slander, steal from family, sit at home drinking and doing drugs, in fornication, adultery, envy, jealousy, greed (list goes on and on) or whatever else your poison is. Do you truly think you are a Christian or do they see how you are lying even to yourself? You must come out from under that false grace way of thinking because without change, how are you really saved? Did Yahushua (Jesus) party on and partake of all the lusts back in his day, did He slander, steal, hate, or stay in unforgiveness or did He walk the walk and show us how to? Did He say to the Father, “sorry dad, I am not about to give up anything on this journey called life for you or for anyone else?” Yahushua (Jesus) walked and lived by God’s commandments and never went against Him.
Think about this because it is so very important. Do not live under the lies of satan that God is good with us in sin and that we are fine dying in it. Remember satan is a deceiver, a liar, a thief and even a murderer. He is the one that took from you, caused your problems, makes you feel bad about yourself, talks you into vulgarity, perversions, lusts of all sorts. He could care less about you but drools all over himself making sure he sends his minions to keep you locked in tight in sin and in enmity with your Father who has always loved you from the start.
Wake up for the hour is ending and this world is fading away and anyone who cannot see that I do not know what to say. It is all around us; here and in other nations & if you can’t tell things are rapidly going away then you are truly in the dark still. Once truly repentant, your eyes will be opened to see! Remember, SIN is a “heart condition”. God seeks the heart and if we live in disobedience, in constant hate, unforgiveness, bitterness and slandering others then our heart condition does not align with our Heavenly Father. Yes it is hard to get over things but if one truly repents from the heart, then you allow His Spirit in to do the work in you which frees you! There is much freedom in letting go.
I speak from experience about satan and his tactics; he did everything he could to try and destroy me. There is no love for us in him…he is a snake charmer selling you a bill of goods that says you are a child of God forever if you remain in sin; instead he will escort you or have one of his generals do so on the way down to hell.
Let love in; love that never fails…let the One who loved us all from the beginning. How hard is it to say you are sorry? We were born into sin through Adam and Eve so there is no getting around that part of it but we have an advocate, the Holy Spirit who was sent to us to help us, change us, intercede for us if we allow Him into our heart by asking for forgiveness with a contrite heart. Father in heaven loves us all very dearly and if He didn’t He would not put out so many Words about how important repentance is. He keeps reaching out His hand, so take His hand and let Him in!
True grace gets you into New Jerusalem because you can overcome sin and false grace sends you straight to the pit of hell at the end of life’s journey. It is you that puts yourself into hell. God is Holy and cannot bear to be around sin He cannot and will not let those enter in. Daily repentance cleanses and purifies and why it is so necessary.
There is no such thing as false grace, the Bible even talks about great grace.
How many times of the day do you feel sorrow for your sins,it is impossible.
Jesus said to Nicodemus, as the Serpent was Lifted up in the Desert ,so Must the Son of Man also must be lifted up an then i will Draw ALL men to myself.So its clear we ALL have a choice -simple and Clear. accept Christ or reject HIM. Remember the two Thieves on their Crosses enuff said.God did NOT force them to believe or not.
Cannot please God, hostile to God, cannot submit to God,no one seeks God not even one, et al. The problem, based on the Bible, no one will choose given the choice. People dead in sin need to be made alive before they can choose. slaves must be set free by someone else, foolish people don't make the most wise decision they could ever make out of the depths of their foolishness. All glory to Christ none to me, lest I think I found it in myself to believe - just a little bit smarter, a bit better, a bit more humble than the other guy who is in the same way drawn by God.
Christ put to death the enmity and curse that was against us. Total depravity is an excuse that silence's the conviction of sin and allows people to justify they're sins. We have a free will and are capable of choosing not to sin against God. There is a Gospel that defends sin and its most accepted. My Gospel says that those who continue in sin do not have the Father but are of the Devil.
We don't have "free will" to choose God. You just contradicted what you said in the beginning.
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Thanks brother ❤
This is NOT Biblical, at least not as you have stated it. We must remember that God has already called ALL men unto him through Christ.
I don't believe the law of God is written on a unbelievers heart. Because that's the whole point of Christ taking out the heart of stone and putting in a heart of flesh. Writing His Law on our hearts. So I don't believe that is true when someone says we our created in the image of God and His Law is written on our hearts. I believe that our hearts our convicted by His Law naturally and yet we still rebel and sin against The Most High, as it says suppressing the knowledge of God. And that's what condemns us and that's why we need a saviour.
John 6:39
"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:44
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
I don’t see where you have a choice or to choose to “resist”.
Unless you’re saying that you have the final say?
your choice or doing is greater than His will?
If God wills you to be saved to be one of the elect? You can resist?
Who is the Father giving to the Son?
What does verse 45 say?
Keegan Kidder
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I’m not understanding your question.
Do you not know who the Father is?
verse 45 is backed up with scripture to previous verse 44.
@@gamerChau You quoted two verses from John 6, so I am asking you follow up questions because I believe you are using them as out of context proof texts.
*"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.*
Who is the Father giving to the Son?
*No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.*
Can you tell me next what verse 45 says?
Keegan, it's sad that Calvinists like @@gamerChau are taught to eisegete the Reformed ideas into the Text and take verse & passages completely out of context. Not only that, they also redefine words in order to further shoehorn their own ideas into the Text.
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
IndianaJoe0321
What’s wrong with Calvinist view?
Does he not got it from the Holy Bible?
I personal have..
No theological background
No seminary’s education .
I read the Holy Bible and
And watch a lot of TH-cam:)
Keegan, I have seen further. Thanks be to God. But however you would like to put it, God’s will > anything and anyone’s will
It’s quite clear. This book is not
About you.. it’s about Him and His will.
Man is depraved in the sense that ALL of US sin, all fall short of GODS Glory,,there is not ONE Righteous,no not 1. All of us are destined to Hell, But God in Scripture reveals Himself to ALL men, so that we can escape that destination. Paul says in Romans that we All HAVE the Light of Conscience and the Light of Creation within and without,therefore no man has any Excuse!! SO God commands then ALL men Everywhere Repent and that means we can respond to the Gospel,that He gave first to the Jew and then to the Greek. the Jews were given the Gospel as Jesus said -Salvation is of the Jews. Meaning that God gave all of us a way out, an if we respond to the Light we can get the Light of Christ! Jesus tells Nicodemus no one can come to God unless God gives us the Way who is Christ. it does NOT mean that only a certain some is chosen or called.Judas was Called and Chosen,how did he lose it? Calvanists mix up clear scripture and twist it to follow thier narrative ,but there simply wrong.
No, total depravity isn't Biblical.
Yes
Wow, read the verse and somehow did gymnastics. However, I appreciate that Dr. Brown did not throw the doctrine of total depravity out the window (except maybe the Calvinist sense, however, he seems to not understand the Calvinist view of total depravity either).
Trying to pin down a calvinist's view is like trying to nail jelly to a wall. There's a spectrum of calvinists, so to say he doesn't understand it is meaningless. He's debated the issue many times and understands it very well. When I speak to people about abortion, I use the term "murder" to describe what is happening to the children. Often times it's met with saying I am against the choice of women or it's just a fetus. Does that mean I don't understand abortion, simply because I bring it to a logical conclusion that the person doesn't like or I don't phrase what is happening how they would like? No, I understand the issue very well, they just don't like the conclusion I have arrived at, especially in light of other factors. Calvinism is the same thing. Whenever I am consistent with a calvinists views or don't describe it as they would like, I am without fail told "you don't understand calvinism". It's an exhausted argument (it's not an argument at all actually) and it needs to stop.
@@TKK0812 sorry, but you are not making any sense to me. The abortion thing sounds like a terrible comparison to this topic. Many non Calvinists use also hold to total depravity, many Arminians. So are they also subject to your criticism?
@@dennistakashima2449 In what specific way is my abortion analogy a terrible comparison? I wasn't comparing abortion to total depravity, I was simply showing that someone can come to vastly different conclusions and use completely different language than someone else regarding a subject, and that *would not* show that they didn't understand an issue. You've yet to demonstrate how exactly Dr. Brown "doesn't understand" total depravity.
My point was Dennis is that just because you don't like the way someone phrases something or you don't agree with the logical or scriptural conclusions they come to, that is not the same thing as them "not understanding" a doctrine, especially because even within just calvinism their is a spectrum of beliefs that range across the tulip from people who would all identify as calvinists but hold very different views. Saying to someone they "don't understand" something is not an argument and people need to stop saying it. I don't know if you're a calvinist, but this "you don't understand calvinism" thing is 95% of the time the first response I hear from calvinists when discussing with them.
Typical Calvinist response, @@dennistakashima2449 -- just make a false ad hominem argument and attack Dr. Brown's understanding of the issue.
Dr. Brown was a rabid Calvinist, just like Dr. Leighton Flowers. The difference between them and you neo-Gnostic friends is that Dr.'s Brown & Flowers care about the Text and it's meaning.
Unlike Calvinists, they don't need to conduct linguistic gymnastics and eisegesis in order to make their teachings appear to fit the Text.
@@IndianaJoe0321 funny, most rabid Calvinists are what we call cage stage. If someone is a "rabid Calvinist", then they most likely have not fully mature Calvinists. Such would explain why Brown and Leighton were "rabid" Calvinists. As a Calvinist I am not amazed that you and the brothers Leighton and Brown are not Calvinists. The Christian Faith is a difficult thing to accept. We all struggle with the theology. I myself, as a Christian, struggled with Original Sin. And then later with the doctrines of grace. However, the Spirit lead me to accept them each over a long time. The Spirit is the only one who can get us into the Faith and to accept the doctrines as we are sanctified by Him.
ANSWER = YES > > > FROM HEAVEN > JOHN 3:3
You Are Absolutely Wrong > That's Not What God's Word Teaches > God Chose His Elect, In Eternity, Before The Foundations of The World - If Any Human Being Chooses God, It's Because /God Chose Him First/ - / God's Not Lost, We Are/ -It's God Who Regenerates Blind, Bound & Spiritually-Dead - Sinners - Anyway > BLESSINGS > FROM HEAVEN > JOHN 1:12-13 @@tookie36
Many advocates for man’s free will often cite verses like John 3:16, which in no way actually address man’s ability to believe. So here is a list of verses that actually use the Greek word for can/able and specifically address man’s INABILITY.
In The Original GOD-Breathed Greek NT,
The exact Literal phrase for NOT ABLE is OU DUNATAI,
and specifically occurs in most of these Scriptures as well as many others :
Mark 10:26-27/Literal :
But they were Exceedingly Astonished,
Saying to themselves,
And who is ABLE to be Saved?
And having Looked at them,
Jesus says,
With Humans It is IMPOSSIBLE,
But Not with God,
For All Things are POSSIBLE with God.
John 3:3/Literal :
NO one is ABLE to See The Kingdom of God,
Unless he Has been Begotten from Above.
John 3:27/Literal :
NO one is ABLE to Receive Anything,
Unless It Has been Given to him from Heaven.
John 6:44/Literal :
NO one is ABLE to Come to Me,
Unless he Has been Drawn by The Father.
John 6:65/Literal :
NO one is ABLE to Come to Me,
Unless It Has been Given to him from The Father.
John 8:43/Literal :
Why do you Not Understand My Speech?
Because you are NOT ABLE to Hear My Word.
John 12:39/Literal :
Because of This,
They were NOT ABLE to Believe.
John 14:17/Literal :
The Spirit of The Truth,
Whom the World is NOT ABLE to Receive,
Because It does Not See Him,
Nor Know Him,
But you Know Him,
Because He Abides with you,
And will be in you.
Romans 8:7-8/Literal :
Because the Mind of the Flesh is Hostile to God,
For It is Not Subject to The Law of God,
For It is NOT even ABLE to be,
And those Being in the Flesh are NOT ABLE to Please God.
1 Corinthians 2:14/Literal :
But the Soulical Human does Not Accept The Things of The Spirit of God,
For They are Foolishness to him,
And he is NOT ABLE to Know Them,
Because They are Spiritually Discerned.
1 Corinthians 12:3/Literal :
Therefore I Make Known to you,
Because No one speaking in The Spirit of God says Anathema Jesus,
And NO one is ABLE to say Lord Jesus,
Except in The Holy Spirit.
IF we were ABLE,
To Believe (John 12:39),
Or Be Saved (Mark 10:26-27),
Or Hear His Word (John 8:43),
Or Receive Anything (John 3:27),
Or Receive His Spirit (John 14:17),
Or See The Kingdom of God (John 3:3),
Or Come to The Lord (cf. John 6:37,6:44, 6:65),
IN & OF ourselves (cf. John 1:13, 6:63-65, Ephesians 2:8),
APART from HIS Saving GRACE (cf. Ephesians 2:1-5, 2 Timothy 1:9),
THEN there would be NO NEED for HIS Saving GRACE.
Ultimately,
It is BECAUSE OF HIM that we are in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30, Ephesians 1:4-11),
and NOT OF ourselves (Ephesians 2:8, cf. John 1:13, 6:63-65, Romans 9:16),
for OF HIS OWN WILL,
HE Brought us Forth through The Word of Truth (James 1:18).
Can people know if they're part of the "elect" and therefore saved? Do you know if you're elect? Did Christ die for you?
There are lots of christians that have made strong cases against Calvinism on the basis of Scripture (Lutheranism)
Even if I'm predestined to hell, and God's Irresistible Grace doesn't ever come near me or my family.. I hope you're one of the elect, I would love to see everyone saved.
As someone who does not know if he is one of the "elect" but loves to serve the Lord, I'll continue to preach the gospel even in the depths of hell.
There are other scriptures one can site which is why I and others do not hold to the Calvin view.
We are commanded to repent and believe, that is, an imperative injunction to the person or persons who hears the Gospel.
Calvinist will say those who got saved were regenerated first, afterwards they believed and thus are saved: total depravity.
Is the command to repent and to believe solely a work of the grace of God on the person and not to the individual who is hearing the Gospel message? Also, if the unregenerate can't believe or have faith apart from the Holy Spirit, needing to be regenerated first, why do we find fallen men responding in faith and encouraged not to fear?
John 6:Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
The work of God is to believe on Jesus which takes an effort on our part "to labour on the meat" Christ Jesus. Even Faith, in any healing, or thing God does, we have to have faith.
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Matthew 14:24-31 24But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. 25And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. 26And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. 27But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
28And Peter answered him and said,29And he said, Come. And when .
30But when ; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him,
Jesus saved Peter but he was told: "O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"
This is Christ own words, that our FAITH can be DIMINISHED OR be of "LITTLE faith," thereby, FEAR and DOUBT caused Peter to lose the faith he had to come and walk on the water as Jesus Christ did. As the book of James, in chapter 1:6-8,"But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." Hence, God commands us to have faith which is a gift of God; however, there is something on our part to obtain and a RESPONSE to that faith gift.
Peter by God's Spirit had the faith to walk on water but FEAR caused Peter to sink, hence, his FAITH DIMINISHED. If we, according to Calvinism, only can have faith by God due to our nature with no participation, Peter's faith should have REMAINED: NO WAVERING; that is to say, regarding if there is NO working together of our faith along with the working of God, called , then Peter's faith should not DIMINISHED for FEAR of the wind.
Therefore, faith is a PARTICIPATION and or by the Holy Spirit and MAN.
Secondly, in Mark 9:22, 23,24, the man whose son was possessed with a demon since he was a child, said to Jesus Christ: “if you can can do anything” which Jesus replied “If you can all things are possible to him who BELIEVES”**
Very essential point ,the Lord STRESSED that "IF YOU CAN", not If I can; for the Lord can do all things, but "If you can" then all things are possible, if you believe, which do DISPLAY that we have TO HAVE FAITH; hence, the man said “I believe” Verb “Help mine, unbelief” This is PROOF that it is the Lord’s grace and by His Spirit to AID our unbelief, the little faith we may have: we HAVE TO RESPOND IN FAITH
More importantly, jairus’ had FAITH but the messengers WORD brought forth FEAR.
Mark 9: While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, , and she shall be made whole.
Notice, jairus who had faith in the Lord at first, but fear of that message LESSENED HIS FAITH . According to Matthew 9:18,19,23-25; Mark 5:22, *23,* 35,*36*-43 gives VITAL DETAILS which Matthew does not provide; Luke 8:41,42,*49,* *50,*
Jairus had faith that Jesus could heal his daughter by saying "that she may be healed; and she SHALL LIVE," exhibits of a FUTURE event: faith she will be whole. Then a messenger delivered a frightening message which made Jairus faith lessen or DIMINISH.
***Mark 5:36 is Verb-action, Present, Imperative which is a , Active 2nd person (V-PMA-2p) and Luke 8:50 Verb, Aorist-an unqualified past tense of a verb without reference to duration or completion of the action., Imperative or COMMAND, Active voice, in 2nd person (V-AMA-2S) **.
Therefore, faith is a gift of God but that faith can be canceled out: by our unbelief and or fear of our surrounds.
very clear explanation..thank you
Why do you all refer to 1God as a "he, she...." That is so twisted, literally.
Christians believe God inspired the Bible and called himself he. Further, Jesus was male in every sense. Of course we call Him "He."
COME BACK TO ME
I do not like seeing My children struggle, nor do I like them to feel alone. I AM the I AM, and I’m not subject to time or physical barriers. What I am subject to is the barriers of the heart. When people walk on the path of this world instead of My path, I must leave them until they find their way back to Me. It breaks My heart when My children who I love,ignore Me, not recognizing Me or, even in some cases, avoiding Me so that they can partake in the sin of your world. There is nothing worth walking away from Me into the darkness, My loves. Nothing. I love you so, but I cannot manhandle or strong-arm you into a relationship with Me. It must be a voluntary action on your part. Once you are in a relationship with Me, I can operate in a different manner within our relationship, yes. But, if you are off in the world, I quite simply have to wait tugging at your heart strings, from time to time, hoping you will return to Me. Come back to Me, lost children. Let Me have the opportunity to shower you with My love and protect you. These things come when you abide in Me. When you continue to walk in sin and walk in this world, I cannot protect you from the consequences of your sin. If you knew how My heart grieved for you when you turn your faces from Me, My loves. I love you so, yet, you walk repetitively away from Me. Come home. Bask in My love and experience My joy in your life. You will see firsthand that no temporary pleasure on this earth is worth not being in fellowship with your creator who loves you. It does not matter where your right now, I will come to you. I will lift your face and shine My face upon you, if you will just come home. Love, Yeshua;
278Pikelk transcript from 2014
ivan sequeira where is this from?