Wish I was old enough to buy these military surplus firearms 10 years ago when they were sub $100-$200. I would love a Mauser or Mauser variant, 1903, and so many more.
If you dig around really deep you can still find deals trust me. I got a Mosin Nagant finish m44 for $140. Bought a surplus makrov for $160. A 1903 for $210.
As long as its not over like $400-500. Thats brand new gun territory and you're best off buying new if you are trying to get the best bang for your buck
#3 hit home. I thought I was buying a mannlicher Calvary carbine mauser 93 for 200 bucks at a gun show but I finally got it home and realized the barrel was cut down and was dove tailed for a rear sight and had an aftermarket front ramp. I thought I could do something with it but it's just sitting in my safe.
I've finally mitigated most of these mistakes myself, but the one I've made no effort on is impulse buying. It's definitely just a combination of luck and a bit of experience in knowing what to look for, but impulse buying has gotten this college student some extremely rare firearms- some numbering only in the dozens thanks to attrition.
Definitely agree that patients and continuous research is the best way to go in the surplus market. I often remember the time I passed up a Czech made mauser for that Japanese navy. They had it listed as "Chinese mauser" and were selling it for like $200. Still kick myself for passing it up just because I didn't know what it was.
I've overheard a lot of people buying the longer Mosins because they are the "sniper variant" so they would buy at the inflated price thinking it was a good price. I'm not a busy body so I'm not going to just march up to people and go, "Akchualley..." But I have had a couple informal moments where I did have the opportunity to help people be more informed and tell them what a real "sniper" variant was and why what they were being told was not true and not worth the price. I've been the idiot and I've learned some expensive lessons. My most recent one was buying an Arisaka online without asking for more information on the condition (which the seller offered to do in the description). Got the rifle and the side that WASN'T pictured has a nose cap screw that looks like someone tried to jackhammer it off and as a result, mad a nice long horizontal crack right behind the "popsicle stick". It will still shoot, it's still a matching parts Arisaka (and I got a nicer one recently) so I'll keep it as a lesson, but also as one to sell if I ever need to.
My first SKS, I bought it as a fun shooter back when they were around $100. The stock was pretty beat up so I stripped it, refinished it, stained it and then Varathaned it. It sure is a beautiful rifle, but I had no idea that I committed a cardinal sin in the Milsurp world. I didn’t know any better then, but I do now. I still shoot it (and it sure is fun) and I will still own it for many years to come, but it’s useless to a collector.
I hate when doing research I often find forum post asking the same question I have and the people who answer say something to the effect of "I don't know anything about that but..." If you don't know anything about the subject or the question don't respond to it. Unless it's directions to a place that might have the answers.
I have a 1943 Mosin Nagant that I stripped the finish off of , I then used boiled linseed oil on it , I knew what I was doing & was not worried about resale cost . I also have early 1942 Arisaka Type 99 that I bought that someone had stripped , lightly sanded & poly coated , I understood the resale cost on that as well , but for $200.00 I could not pass it up
Hey, it’s a shame if it pulled marking off, but that doesn’t mean the gun has no history. And if it’s fun and brings you joy that’s what matters (unless your trying to get rich off it).
Decide a collecting goal. I look for mechanically interesting or aesthetically pleasing or practically useful firearms. I collect shooters. My Yugo Mauser is as good for me as the much more expensive German Waffenamt-marked models, for example.
Perfect reason why I hesitate to get myself a british/commonwealth FAL. They are a rare sight here, they would appear to be in good condition and unrefurbished, thus quite collectible, and I only want to get a shooter. Plus, I'm not that sure if I could get inch pattern parts as easily as metric ones.
I've never "beautified" one but i've sporterized a few that had little value at the time, a $95 mosin nagant drilled, and tapped, a $250 SKS with rotten stock and no finish left converted to peeps with a lightweight monte carlo stock (my favorite plinking surplus rifle, ever). I've also gone the opposite direction. I had a friend with a painfully bad sporter job on a 1903MK1 and I had enough spare parts left over that I was able to turn it into a faux 1903a4 for him. he loves it, or at least pretended for my benefit. I also had a 1903A4 action I found in a basement that I built into a decent replica... actually ran into it at a gun show a few months back for less than what I sold it for, was kind of tempted to get it back. it was the only rifle I've ever been able to reliably ring steel with at 500 yards.
Yep number 1 and 3 are to real. Had a guy tell me a mosin was a finnish mosin. I bought it for 500 but it was just a normal hex receiver. Also shucked out 800 for a very good condition SMLE. Was told it was royal navy issued. It came with a sling. Turns out it was just a reproduction sling and a normal SMLE.
Solid advice for life in general. People that listen well are an endangered species. Laziness will never be eliminated from the human race. The things we do not know will overwhelmingly outweigh the things we do, almost always. Thanks for sharing.
Honestly I’m just amazed people don’t tap into the power of their little hand held computer called a smart phone to dig up some information themselves before buying something. Literally took me ten minutes on my cell phone to find out Cabelas threw a mystery Mauser on the rack amongst a bunch of Yugo M48’s and M24/47’s and found out it was a Yugo captured K98k aka an M98/48. Bolt didn’t match the receiver, but considering the barrel was in great shape and it was considered to be a step above the quality of a Russian Capture, I decided it was a good buy because I sure as hell wasn’t expecting to see another K98k sell for under 5 Franklin’s in an unsporterized configurations anytime soon.
Was hunting an smle, found a store with two picked the first one I saw and bought it. Turns out the one I got was a Indian one from the 50s while the other was a British rifle. Definitely don’t buy on impulse
The only way to learn is to make transactions, make mistakes, and learn. Standing on the sidelines until some pro deems you fit to make good decisions would result in never buying a gun. The whole ecosystem of collecting is based on suckers and pros, and all in between. That's how guns change hands for money. But, it's nice for you to reinforce what those of us who collect know.
If Ian is Gun Jesus. Mike is Gun The Baptist ! Preach from the wilderness and all listen whom would parish the milsurp to FUDDS and the land of pawnracknum speacials
Im more of a knife collector this goes with that n probably 99% of all collectors of anything n i have walked away from lot of things cause they were "restored " n try to jack the price sorry its only original once
Mike, the finish on your Persian Mauser may be correct. I have an un-issued, un-fired example (except for the factory test firing in 1934) and it has a very shinny varnish type of finish on the stock. This is 100% correct on the Persian. The Persian's are the only Mauser in my collection with this type of finish. If your interested let me know and I'll send you some pictures of my rifle. Thanks for all your great videos, I enjoy watching them, Michael D.
Who else started collecting with a turkish mauser? Literally didn’t know anything said that looks cool now I have books on the FN rifles and Pistols, books on revolvers, books on mannlichers, the backbone of the wermacht books. It is such a bad addiction.
Yea well, America sure does suck now, lol how about I have my cake & eat it too, & become a Canadian citizen while also keeping all of my guns ( haha I dont even own that many) Nah, Ill always Love my country and damn right now,,,smdh take care Great White North! One day I would Love to visit !
Something I would raise is the 'leave alone or restore' argument, don't quote my exact phrasing, but I imagine the vast majority of people know what I'm on about. Being a collector and a re-enactor I can see both sides of the argument. The example I use is the one of the German gas mask canisters. Most reproduction companies just crap out ones that are 'usable,' but i would argue that an original is always better. There were millions of these made and picking up one in 'meh' condition and giving it a respray will make some people cry, but who cares. The same goes for the bayonets, for example, the reproduction companies are again crapping out poor quality ones, so originals are the only option. I went and bought one in, not poor, but a noncollectable condition and re-blued it. It wasn't a matching number, so little historical value was lost. I don't know how others think about this, but I thought i'd raise the 'issue'. I get that firearms are somewhat different, but I feel that fundamentally the 'to restore, or not to restore? that is the question' still applies.
I actually messed up step 3 a few days ago. I picked up what i thought a Steyr m95 that had been sporterized. So i bought it too restore to its military form. However i missed a mark on the receiver that marked it as a variant of the m95 a m95m chambered in 8mm mauser and now i can't figure out proper military parts because it's shorter than a full length rifle and longer than a carbine and yes i looked into if the barrel had been shortened by buba fud but nope he just cut down the stock and junked the hand gard on top the barrel. Moral of the story listen too mike and double check your research. And don't let excitement cloud your judgment
Thoughts on rebluing a 91/30 round receiver? Seems someone simply threw some black paint on all the metal prices to stop the rust. Can't say I'm a fan of the sloppy paint job.
I think the refinishing thing atleast for you might he a hold over from the military maybe not the stock bit but like a subconscious thought of not liking the fact a patina is on the medal.
This question kind of ties into your number 1. Buying sporterized milsurps for the intention of "restoring" back to factory or military standard. Is that worth it in any aspect? I often have that urge to get that forgotten rifle sitting in the back of the rack because the price is usually right, and don't have any real intention of trying to flip it back for a profit. Are some milsurps more, I don't know, desirable to restore after a horrendous hack job or sporterization?
No, you'll spend way more on chasing down parts than what it'll be worth, only reason to do that would be for use as a shooter or reenacting gun, frankenguns arent terribly collectible. The other part of that is actually FINDING the parts to un-sporterize it, it can be infuriating trying to run down parts to debubba some poor rifle. Best thing for your wallet and your blood pressure is to just walk away from them.
@@jordanhicks5131 However people knock Bubba guns a little too much. It hurts to see a k98 or p17 bubba'd, but Ive come across cheap P17s that were sporterized well, and honestly would make a great woods rifle.
A few years ago I was looking for a FN Hi-Power went to a pawn shop a few towns over and found one cheap. I was excited and snapped it up thankfully I negotiated and got a lower price. A day or two later I learned I got a FM not an FN. I was disappointed I didn't pay a bad price for it so that helped.
@@jardinero9112 I'd actually love to have an armalite ar14 autoloading shotgun, or an ar16 (stamped reciever 308)...love all the ar variants including the cz clone ar24 made for armalite by sarsilmaz. They now sell it as the mega 2000 without the armalite branding.
See my friends sort of regard me as the gun expert but i don't let it go to my head. If a friend of mine asks me something i don't know the answer to or about something i don't know a lot about i can admit that and refer them to wikipedia or youtuber i trust. Nobody knows everything.
Hey mile great video would you mind making a more in depth video on both your Turkish mausers. I bought one years ago it's never been fired ( not because its unsafe everything checks out it's just I'm poor and shit happens) and I'm just curious if you know more of this history behind them
So, I 100% get the "not refinishing"... however.. I highly doubt that red Shellac the Mosins have are original finish, I think its the finish put on when they were arsenal refurbished.. I know the Russians were rough/crude in their weapons, but it makes no sense to put such an easily scratched off finish on them unless it was applied to stop the cosmoline from soaking in to the wood. .. Dont get me wrong.. no old mil surp should be refinished. but maybe the "Run of the mill" Mosin is a little different?
As far as I'm aware, shellac was the original finish. It's not really a bad choice since it is very protective against moisture, easily applied and can be touched up without needing to strip the stock down and refinish. I don't know why they would have chosen it over oiling the wood though. Production cost and time maybe?
research takes years maybe never ends for just about any gun, so everyone is screwed in that regard. so your not going to know everything about everything and one could argue don't even bother unless you like spending time doing research. If you find an honest and knowledgeable seller who has "references" from peers, who will tell you all about the gun that's all you need and it is probably worth paying their price AFTER you compare to the market price and it's comparable. The other option is just buy a gun like you would buy jewelry, if you like it, fuck what other people think or say and don't worry about cost.
Bc im young i when i go into gunshops i alwats have guys try to sell me a rifle with this extravagant war story and then there sureprised when i tell it was in fact not
I feel like the only person who DGAF about CoLlEctOr VaLuE. I bought it to keep and shoot, I will never get rid of them, and if I want to clean it or refinish it or paint it bright pink and draw a dick on it (wouldn't actually do that) its mine and I can and everyone else can cry about it if they don't like it.
Yeah well, coming from someone who has had to sell surplus firearms or become homeless, never say "I will never get rid of them". Your life can change very quickly. Yes they're your rifles, but I say this as advice just in case.
I know you said not to ask simple questions but what is the pistol underneath the Luger? I don't recognize it and can't figure out a good description to find out what it is on Google
Looks like an early FN/ Browning design, at least as far as the shapes I can recall, not too many old semiauto pistols had that "recoil spring over barrel" configuration like that. I don't know for sure, but hope this narrows the focus some.
Tip I've seen over the years. "Take away the name and does the price still match". Local store has a Remington mosin for 895 penguins on GB. Bolt doesn't match reciever. Take away the name and you have a mismatched mosin for 895 penguins. Pass. (anything over 500 for a mosin is an instant pass in my book)
Peter Baron It’s more than just the manufacturers name stamped on the receiver though. Finnish Mosin’s, especially later models like the M28-30 and M39, has legitimate design improvements that make it a very different rifle than an M91 or M91/30, where a price increase would be somewhat justified.
I think that there are different kinds of collectors out there.. there are the people that only want the original finnsh most Xxxxx ........ Then there are people like me :) I am looking for x firearm. Ho look someone refinish the stock and it would be 800$ but now I can get it for 500$ ect.... and I get it and shoot and injoy it. :) I guess you could call me the unscrach and dent collector lol. :)
I'm gonna have to disagree on the "patina" thing, that's rust and needs to be taken care of by someone or the weapon will continue to degrade until it is worthless.
@@thomasdaugherty880 Mike is right. Patina is not harmful to a rifle and it will not continue to degrade. Bluing that has turned brown over the years is no less protected than the original blue/black finish. It's coarse, orange, active rust that you want to look out for but remember, rust isn't cancer, and it's not invasive. It's a limited chemical reaction and doesn't just keep happening simply because there is a rust spot present. It does however mean that that particular spot is now more vulnerable and needs more attention. For those of you not aware; blueing and browning are both surface rust finishes. They are protective layer of rust. What we call "patina" is no different. If you see a finish that is a bit spotted or turning brown in areas, DON'T PANIC. Depending on your buyer, you will actually degrade the value of the rifle by refinishing it.
Wish I was old enough to buy these military surplus firearms 10 years ago when they were sub $100-$200. I would love a Mauser or Mauser variant, 1903, and so many more.
Also thanks Classic for making it worse
If you dig around really deep you can still find deals trust me. I got a Mosin Nagant finish m44 for $140. Bought a surplus makrov for $160. A 1903 for $210.
Hey man, go check out Centerfire Systems. They've got Ottoman 1893s with no stock for a real good value.
I know man I think about that often
back when you could get an SKS etc. for $80! hahaha
check out the yugo m48 mauser. you can still find them around for a decent price i own one very well built
My dad used to say,"You have 2 ears and 1 mouth because you should be listening twice as much as you should be speaking."
same here, its good advice
Who would have thought I’d find another 30 year old firearms history nerd like me also named Mike B 🤣 small awesome world
Haha that’s funny.
Classic comedy
Yea right ??
@@michaelbarker3078 Attack of the Mike Bs!!!
Top 5 rookie mistakes summarized:
Assume you arent a rookie
My research consists of watching forgotten weapons videos
2.5: Don't ask questions on /k/, they will fuck you up on purpose
If you're on a limited budget and just want a shooter a refinished milsurp isn't so bad.
As long as its not over like $400-500. Thats brand new gun territory and you're best off buying new if you are trying to get the best bang for your buck
Depends on the weapon. Military Rearsenaled handguns can be decent and inexpensive
#3 hit home. I thought I was buying a mannlicher Calvary carbine mauser 93 for 200 bucks at a gun show but I finally got it home and realized the barrel was cut down and was dove tailed for a rear sight and had an aftermarket front ramp.
I thought I could do something with it but it's just sitting in my safe.
Restore it try to get a new barrel and sights etc
I've finally mitigated most of these mistakes myself, but the one I've made no effort on is impulse buying. It's definitely just a combination of luck and a bit of experience in knowing what to look for, but impulse buying has gotten this college student some extremely rare firearms- some numbering only in the dozens thanks to attrition.
Definitely agree that patients and continuous research is the best way to go in the surplus market.
I often remember the time I passed up a Czech made mauser for that Japanese navy. They had it listed as "Chinese mauser" and were selling it for like $200. Still kick myself for passing it up just because I didn't know what it was.
I've overheard a lot of people buying the longer Mosins because they are the "sniper variant" so they would buy at the inflated price thinking it was a good price. I'm not a busy body so I'm not going to just march up to people and go, "Akchualley..." But I have had a couple informal moments where I did have the opportunity to help people be more informed and tell them what a real "sniper" variant was and why what they were being told was not true and not worth the price.
I've been the idiot and I've learned some expensive lessons. My most recent one was buying an Arisaka online without asking for more information on the condition (which the seller offered to do in the description). Got the rifle and the side that WASN'T pictured has a nose cap screw that looks like someone tried to jackhammer it off and as a result, mad a nice long horizontal crack right behind the "popsicle stick". It will still shoot, it's still a matching parts Arisaka (and I got a nicer one recently) so I'll keep it as a lesson, but also as one to sell if I ever need to.
My first SKS, I bought it as a fun shooter back when they were around $100. The stock was pretty beat up so I stripped it, refinished it, stained it and then Varathaned it. It sure is a beautiful rifle, but I had no idea that I committed a cardinal sin in the Milsurp world. I didn’t know any better then, but I do now. I still shoot it (and it sure is fun) and I will still own it for many years to come, but it’s useless to a collector.
Why am I even watching this, it’s midnight and I live in England
For real
I hate when doing research I often find forum post asking the same question I have and the people who answer say something to the effect of "I don't know anything about that but..."
If you don't know anything about the subject or the question don't respond to it. Unless it's directions to a place that might have the answers.
I have a 1943 Mosin Nagant that I stripped the finish off of , I then used boiled linseed oil on it , I knew what I was doing & was not worried about resale cost . I also have early 1942 Arisaka Type 99 that I bought that someone had stripped , lightly sanded & poly coated , I understood the resale cost on that as well , but for $200.00 I could not pass it up
Hey, it’s a shame if it pulled marking off, but that doesn’t mean the gun has no history. And if it’s fun and brings you joy that’s what matters (unless your trying to get rich off it).
Decide a collecting goal. I look for mechanically interesting or aesthetically pleasing or practically useful firearms. I collect shooters. My Yugo Mauser is as good for me as the much more expensive German Waffenamt-marked models, for example.
Perfect reason why I hesitate to get myself a british/commonwealth FAL. They are a rare sight here, they would appear to be in good condition and unrefurbished, thus quite collectible, and I only want to get a shooter. Plus, I'm not that sure if I could get inch pattern parts as easily as metric ones.
I've never "beautified" one but i've sporterized a few that had little value at the time, a $95 mosin nagant drilled, and tapped, a $250 SKS with rotten stock and no finish left converted to peeps with a lightweight monte carlo stock (my favorite plinking surplus rifle, ever). I've also gone the opposite direction. I had a friend with a painfully bad sporter job on a 1903MK1 and I had enough spare parts left over that I was able to turn it into a faux 1903a4 for him. he loves it, or at least pretended for my benefit. I also had a 1903A4 action I found in a basement that I built into a decent replica... actually ran into it at a gun show a few months back for less than what I sold it for, was kind of tempted to get it back. it was the only rifle I've ever been able to reliably ring steel with at 500 yards.
i havent ever been this early! thanks for sharing! love the channel and what you do man! Great advice!
Yep number 1 and 3 are to real. Had a guy tell me a mosin was a finnish mosin. I bought it for 500 but it was just a normal hex receiver.
Also shucked out 800 for a very good condition SMLE. Was told it was royal navy issued. It came with a sling. Turns out it was just a reproduction sling and a normal SMLE.
Solid advice for life in general. People that listen well are an endangered species. Laziness will never be eliminated from the human race. The things we do not know will overwhelmingly outweigh the things we do, almost always. Thanks for sharing.
Honestly I’m just amazed people don’t tap into the power of their little hand held computer called a smart phone to dig up some information themselves before buying something. Literally took me ten minutes on my cell phone to find out Cabelas threw a mystery Mauser on the rack amongst a bunch of Yugo M48’s and M24/47’s and found out it was a Yugo captured K98k aka an M98/48. Bolt didn’t match the receiver, but considering the barrel was in great shape and it was considered to be a step above the quality of a Russian Capture, I decided it was a good buy because I sure as hell wasn’t expecting to see another K98k sell for under 5 Franklin’s in an unsporterized configurations anytime soon.
cabelas has deals if you are patient enough.
@@whisperchainsaw102 So do most pawn shops. Just gotta go on the hunt
Was hunting an smle, found a store with two picked the first one I saw and bought it. Turns out the one I got was a Indian one from the 50s while the other was a British rifle. Definitely don’t buy on impulse
I’m from Italy , everything is overpriced here ( compared to us prices )
I tend to buy on impulse but I've never paid more than $500 for a gun so its whatev
You hit the nail on the head with the 4th example. If someone has far more knowledge on a particular firearm I prefer to stfu and listen.
The only way to learn is to make transactions, make mistakes, and learn. Standing on the sidelines until some pro deems you fit to make good decisions would result in never buying a gun. The whole ecosystem of collecting is based on suckers and pros, and all in between. That's how guns change hands for money. But, it's nice for you to reinforce what those of us who collect know.
If Ian is Gun Jesus. Mike is Gun The Baptist ! Preach from the wilderness and all listen whom would parish the milsurp to FUDDS and the land of pawnracknum speacials
great video as always, keep up the good content!
Im more of a knife collector this goes with that n probably 99% of all collectors of anything n i have walked away from lot of things cause they were "restored " n try to jack the price sorry its only original once
I learned and then purchased SKS cause I liked using it so much in rising storm 2 lol
Mike, the finish on your Persian Mauser may be correct. I have an un-issued, un-fired example (except for the factory test firing in 1934) and it has a very shinny varnish type of finish on the stock. This is 100% correct on the Persian. The Persian's are the only Mauser in my collection with this type of finish. If your interested let me know and I'll send you some pictures of my rifle. Thanks for all your great videos, I enjoy watching them, Michael D.
Trust me, it isn't the original finish on mine...Someone re-did the entire rifle at some point.
Who else started collecting with a turkish mauser? Literally didn’t know anything said that looks cool now I have books on the FN rifles and Pistols, books on revolvers, books on mannlichers, the backbone of the wermacht books. It is such a bad addiction.
Great vid..thanks for posting. I would add that not applying for a C&R license is a mistake....
Bullshit. I've been perpetually broke since applying for that thing. The one year I let it lapse I actually made money and wasn't completely broke....
The real trick question is......WHATS YOUR OPINION ON FOOD.
Trading skills are just important as knowledge in my experience. Great video!
being a Canadian, Americans have it so much better with the guns lol
Yea well, America sure does suck now, lol
how about I have my cake & eat it too,
& become a Canadian citizen while also keeping all of my guns ( haha I dont even own that many)
Nah, Ill always Love my country and damn right now,,,smdh
take care Great White North!
One day I would Love to visit !
Something I would raise is the 'leave alone or restore' argument, don't quote my exact phrasing, but I imagine the vast majority of people know what I'm on about. Being a collector and a re-enactor I can see both sides of the argument. The example I use is the one of the German gas mask canisters. Most reproduction companies just crap out ones that are 'usable,' but i would argue that an original is always better. There were millions of these made and picking up one in 'meh' condition and giving it a respray will make some people cry, but who cares. The same goes for the bayonets, for example, the reproduction companies are again crapping out poor quality ones, so originals are the only option. I went and bought one in, not poor, but a noncollectable condition and re-blued it. It wasn't a matching number, so little historical value was lost. I don't know how others think about this, but I thought i'd raise the 'issue'. I get that firearms are somewhat different, but I feel that fundamentally the 'to restore, or not to restore? that is the question' still applies.
Rolled the dice and a flea market type 38 for $150 and got burned. That said looking for a Sporter type 38 with intact irons.
I actually messed up step 3 a few days ago. I picked up what i thought a Steyr m95 that had been sporterized. So i bought it too restore to its military form. However i missed a mark on the receiver that marked it as a variant of the m95 a m95m chambered in 8mm mauser and now i can't figure out proper military parts because it's shorter than a full length rifle and longer than a carbine and yes i looked into if the barrel had been shortened by buba fud but nope he just cut down the stock and junked the hand gard on top the barrel. Moral of the story listen too mike and double check your research. And don't let excitement cloud your judgment
That is supposed to be a Yugoslavian conversion. It is probably rarer than the standard M95.
Thoughts on rebluing a 91/30 round receiver? Seems someone simply threw some black paint on all the metal prices to stop the rust. Can't say I'm a fan of the sloppy paint job.
It's your rifle, your decision, not mine.
If it’s a refurbished 91/30 than totally go for it. If it’s original world war 2 condition it will hurt the value.
I hate import markings.
not including the "Buy the gun not the story" lesson?
Nice video, glad you had a change of heart :)
Holy crap I'm up early enough to catch Mike uploading a new video!!!
must resist polish bolt and refinish stock. Oh no, my hand itch...
I think the refinishing thing atleast for you might he a hold over from the military maybe not the stock bit but like a subconscious thought of not liking the fact a patina is on the medal.
*cries in California*
Most C&R guns are California legal. What sucks is that they go for more money here because too many rich goobers are buying everything up.
This question kind of ties into your number 1. Buying sporterized milsurps for the intention of "restoring" back to factory or military standard. Is that worth it in any aspect? I often have that urge to get that forgotten rifle sitting in the back of the rack because the price is usually right, and don't have any real intention of trying to flip it back for a profit. Are some milsurps more, I don't know, desirable to restore after a horrendous hack job or sporterization?
No, you'll spend way more on chasing down parts than what it'll be worth, only reason to do that would be for use as a shooter or reenacting gun, frankenguns arent terribly collectible.
The other part of that is actually FINDING the parts to un-sporterize it, it can be infuriating trying to run down parts to debubba some poor rifle. Best thing for your wallet and your blood pressure is to just walk away from them.
@@jordanhicks5131 However people knock Bubba guns a little too much. It hurts to see a k98 or p17 bubba'd, but Ive come across cheap P17s that were sporterized well, and honestly would make a great woods rifle.
A few years ago I was looking for a FN Hi-Power went to a pawn shop a few towns over and found one cheap. I was excited and snapped it up thankfully I negotiated and got a lower price. A day or two later I learned I got a FM not an FN. I was disappointed I didn't pay a bad price for it so that helped.
Good thing you didn't get that AR 14.
I once bought an Ak-48 instead of a 47. Feels bad man.
@@jardinero9112 I'd actually love to have an armalite ar14 autoloading shotgun, or an ar16 (stamped reciever 308)...love all the ar variants including the cz clone ar24 made for armalite by sarsilmaz. They now sell it as the mega 2000 without the armalite branding.
"Buy the book before you buy the gun"
See my friends sort of regard me as the gun expert but i don't let it go to my head. If a friend of mine asks me something i don't know the answer to or about something i don't know a lot about i can admit that and refer them to wikipedia or youtuber i trust. Nobody knows everything.
Your first mosin is like mine.
Hey mile great video would you mind making a more in depth video on both your Turkish mausers. I bought one years ago it's never been fired ( not because its unsafe everything checks out it's just I'm poor and shit happens) and I'm just curious if you know more of this history behind them
Morning. Look forward to watching this
So, I 100% get the "not refinishing"... however.. I highly doubt that red Shellac the Mosins have are original finish, I think its the finish put on when they were arsenal refurbished.. I know the Russians were rough/crude in their weapons, but it makes no sense to put such an easily scratched off finish on them unless it was applied to stop the cosmoline from soaking in to the wood. .. Dont get me wrong.. no old mil surp should be refinished. but maybe the "Run of the mill" Mosin is a little different?
As far as I'm aware, shellac was the original finish. It's not really a bad choice since it is very protective against moisture, easily applied and can be touched up without needing to strip the stock down and refinish. I don't know why they would have chosen it over oiling the wood though. Production cost and time maybe?
Is it even Surplus if the stockpiles no longer exist ? .
research takes years maybe never ends for just about any gun, so everyone is screwed in that regard. so your not going to know everything about everything and one could argue don't even bother unless you like spending time doing research. If you find an honest and knowledgeable seller who has "references" from peers, who will tell you all about the gun that's all you need and it is probably worth paying their price AFTER you compare to the market price and it's comparable. The other option is just buy a gun like you would buy jewelry, if you like it, fuck what other people think or say and don't worry about cost.
Bc im young i when i go into gunshops i alwats have guys try to sell me a rifle with this extravagant war story and then there sureprised when i tell it was in fact not
I feel like the only person who DGAF about CoLlEctOr VaLuE. I bought it to keep and shoot, I will never get rid of them, and if I want to clean it or refinish it or paint it bright pink and draw a dick on it (wouldn't actually do that) its mine and I can and everyone else can cry about it if they don't like it.
Yeah well, coming from someone who has had to sell surplus firearms or become homeless, never say "I will never get rid of them". Your life can change very quickly. Yes they're your rifles, but I say this as advice just in case.
I know you said not to ask simple questions but what is the pistol underneath the Luger? I don't recognize it and can't figure out a good description to find out what it is on Google
Looks like an early FN/ Browning design, at least as far as the shapes I can recall, not too many old semiauto pistols had that "recoil spring over barrel" configuration like that.
I don't know for sure, but hope this narrows the focus some.
I think It’s a Dreyse 1907
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_M1907
Tip I've seen over the years. "Take away the name and does the price still match". Local store has a Remington mosin for 895 penguins on GB. Bolt doesn't match reciever. Take away the name and you have a mismatched mosin for 895 penguins. Pass. (anything over 500 for a mosin is an instant pass in my book)
Peter Baron It’s more than just the manufacturers name stamped on the receiver though. Finnish Mosin’s, especially later models like the M28-30 and M39, has legitimate design improvements that make it a very different rifle than an M91 or M91/30, where a price increase would be somewhat justified.
Luger pistols will blow up if you pick them up from booby-trapped desks!
I see you have a Dreyse 1907; do you consider selling it someday?
How much are you willing to pay for it?
Lol that depends I need to take a closer look at it
I think that there are different kinds of collectors out there.. there are the people that only want the original finnsh most Xxxxx ........
Then there are people like me :) I am looking for x firearm. Ho look someone refinish the stock and it would be 800$ but now I can get it for 500$ ect.... and I get it and shoot and injoy it. :) I guess you could call me the unscrach and dent collector lol. :)
People who make mistake number 1 I dislike with great intensity. Don't ruin the history of the firearm that you bought.
I'm gonna have to disagree on the "patina" thing, that's rust and needs to be taken care of by someone or the weapon will continue to degrade until it is worthless.
Yeah, okay.....You sound like you know what you're talking about...
@@MikeB128 just my opinion sorry to be a downer.
@@thomasdaugherty880 You're not being a downer, you just don't know the difference between active rust and patina.....Yet you proclaim you do....
@@thomasdaugherty880 Mike is right. Patina is not harmful to a rifle and it will not continue to degrade. Bluing that has turned brown over the years is no less protected than the original blue/black finish. It's coarse, orange, active rust that you want to look out for but remember, rust isn't cancer, and it's not invasive. It's a limited chemical reaction and doesn't just keep happening simply because there is a rust spot present. It does however mean that that particular spot is now more vulnerable and needs more attention.
For those of you not aware; blueing and browning are both surface rust finishes. They are protective layer of rust. What we call "patina" is no different. If you see a finish that is a bit spotted or turning brown in areas, DON'T PANIC.
Depending on your buyer, you will actually degrade the value of the rifle by refinishing it.
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Dang #3. Pretty early this time though.
Me at 15 with a muff pistol
People that no everything will learn nothing.......
Were your TRYING to be Ironic, or are you just really that stupid?
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