I panicked a little when he deleted bide, but thankfully he reset. I didn't know how he planned to beat Agatha's ghosts without it. I had forgotten about Mimic!
Still, it isn't a good idea fighting Agatha's ghosts with Bide in a no-items-in-battle run. How many HP you would lose before damaging them? You would get KOed easily.
It occurs to me that with Swords Dance, the actual effect of Focus Energy is useful. And it's not like Scyther has an abundance of other moves to call on.
One Pokémon I could see being an interesting choice is Arbok. It has a surprisingly good movepool, with moves like Earthquake, Mega Drain and Rock Slide. It can also learn Body Slam, which makes it pretty good in the early-mid game. Also, starting out with Wrap + Leer can make Brock not being such a wall early on. Considering Arbok has better base speed compared to Onix
This is a good point. Before getting bite at 17 will be slow going but the moveset just gets better from there. Add in all the doofy agility/amnesia genius AI at the end and it sounds like a good run
Its counterpart of Sandslash is another one. That gets Swords Dance and good moves (Earthquake, Body Slam, Rock Slide for Flying-types like Gyarados) to combo with it. Ofc with its drawback of poor special and speed that might hold it back a lot.
I work in a busy college bar and get home normally around 3-5am. I never sleep without putting this man on my tv full blast and listening to him consistently demote playground monitor Surge. Keep up the good work, can’t wait to see what’s next!
This series, specifically the base pokemon in red/blue is easily my absolute favourite for pokemon content and generally a favourite of all things ever. It was neat and unique in its format, specifically not being wholly luck dependent when it started, and through lockdown it was a godsend of a distraction from the crippling boredom. It actually got me back into playing pokemon, and i just can't say how much i love it.
Pinsir is actually top tier. Scyther just fits Jrose's bad Pokemon narrative he's been going with so maybe not for a while. Seriously, Pinsir is a top 10 contender.
@@rjante2236 Low speed means it won't crit to ruin badge boosts along with a top 5 attack stat and submission to not have to struggle at Pokemon Tower. It's a run I'm looking forward to!
Pinsir basically just being scyther with body slam is actually phenomenal, even if it gets slash long after it would be particularly useful Also someone had to say it so i think they meant seismic toss to hit ghosts, not submission
The Swift run was awesome. Love all your videos. I can't believe they only gave Scyther normal moves in red and blue. The fury attack attempt was highly entertaining.
This was such a great video. Loved hearing his explanation of why crits matter and how we got the name rival fiveal even though I’ve known for years. One of the great TH-cam channels out there
Hey Jrose11, I needed to let you know that this is my favorite series on TH-cam. Love the work you put into these videos and I always look forward to a drop. Thank you!
I always watch these videos multiple times, because the story and the narration helps me relax and fall asleep. So I gotta watch them again the next day to catch what I’ve missed. I’ve had 4 straight days of bad sleep, so I am so extremely grateful for this upload mr JRose. I’ll finally get some good rest
Dammit, and I was just getting ready for bed too. Found your channel last week after forgetting about you for a year plus, and scyther is one of my all time favourites so there's no way I'm not watching this right now
I am surprised you didn’t use mimic early on. It can get rid of a lot of the small move pool issues, giving you at least options instead of just slash/double edge.
glad you've taken the opportunity to play some runs with some of the better pokemon recently! i definitely enjoy watching you work out strategies for less viable mons a ton too but i'm appreciating the change in pace
For those who are unfamiliar with gen 1 mechanics, in gen 1 crits ignore all stat changes including stat buffs to your Pokémon. Thankfully, in gen 2 and onward crits stack on your Pokémon's stat buffs and ignores their debuffs which makes crits more viable for solo runs in later gens
Focus Energy/Swords Dance/Double Edge (or Slash)/Mimic might sound like an insane moveset, but by using the Focus Energy glitch on purpose you guarantee the Swords Dance boosts stick. Mimic for ghosts.
@@menderbug1 In another comment chain, they said that this only works if after the speed badge boost you're much slower than the opponent, but it's only a 50% reduction. If you're faster instead, it doesn't change anything.
Theoretically, yes, but that does run into two issues. One, it makes setup take an extra turn. Since Scyther's bulk is just on the low side of OK by Gen 1 standards (base 70 HP, 80 Defense, 55 Special), that could get dangerous. Two, it takes up a move slot. Even with how barren Scyther's move pool is, dedicating a move slot to Focus Energy is potentially a problem.
@@djkates1916 Even worse, you can’t use slash with it. Slash without the speed boosting badge is a coin flip and with it (and badge boosting) it overpowers focus energy and start critting all the time. Which means he has to give slash for swift, which is very bad.
Ive been binging about one or two of these episodes per day, in no order (yt recommended order?). I love the way you call it like a sports game and it was really accesible to me with no knowledge of pokemon speed runs because you explain things that some people might not know. Thank you!
@@tomc.5704 Kinda sucks needing to use up a moveslot just to have your Swords Dance actually do something. And with only Normal attacks it's not like you have much wiggle room for moves anyway.
The beginning of the Civilian Surge redemption arc. There is just something oddly comforting about these videos that I can't quite figure out but I love all the same.
Scyther was one of my favorite Pokemon as a kid. I was so excited when I got him at the Game Corner but quickly saw he didn't learn any good moves that made him worth keeping on the team.
Not seeing Jrose keep Focus Energy on Scyther hurt my soul lol. It's basically a one-way toggle for when Scyther needs to shift from abusing crits to abusing Swords Dance and badge boost mid-fight. I use almost the exact same strat when I use a Beedrill in-game. Good job though! All Normal-type moves is pretty miserable no matter what the strategy is.
Nice idea, but Jrose prefers playing avoiding abusing glitches that are not the beloved badge boost glitch, so I think he wouldn't have used Focus Energy anyway. :P
@@Mcwangr basically Focus Energy should multiply by four times the probability of hitting a critical strike; in 1st gen it instead divides it by four times. Since critical strikes ignore statistic increases, after 3 Sword Dances a critical strike hits for less damage than a normal strike.
Scyther’s still too fast for focus energy to work with slash. Consider how good slash is for random fights, it’s probably not worth it. He can still use badge boosting and use hyper beam tho.
Reminder: This is the second-strongest bug Pokemon in Gen I competitive. Psychic wasn't even that OP as a type. It's just that the types that were supposed to counter it were screwed over _hard_ in gen I. Edit: For those confused, imagine if X-Scissor and Shadow Ball were in Gen I and the ghost type immunity bug wasn't. Now imagine if Banette was in Gen I. And if Special was split as it was in Gen II. Would Dark or Steel really be necessary in that case?
The counterplay was barely there, but nearly every Psychic type had high Special, and a move that lowers the opponent's Special 1/3 of the time. Good against two types, barely a real weakness. And otherwise, hits everything else besides itself for neutral damage. It's still good.
@@SoraDonaldGoofy99 That's not even mentioning that Special was for Offense and Defense, so it also limited what a lot of non-Psychics could do to hurt them. Anything that ran a Special move was just mostly going for Status... and praying their opponent did not switch to a Starmie or Slowbro when trying to use Fire on Exeggutor. Seriously, you do not want to fight a Burned Starmie.
Ghost types were supposed to be super effective on Psychic, but the game designers messed up and accidentally made Psychic immune to Ghost. So it's an even worse situation than it was supposed to be!
@@iss2075 And then did not really have Ghost moves even if they got the Weakness correct: Lick was incredibly weak, Night Shade was fixed-damage, and Confuse Ray was Status. On top of that, all the Gen1 Ghosts were part Poison, and what types was Poison weak against? Bug, Ground, and, oh, Psychic.
And the best possible bug moves are all very weak and maybe hit multiple times. By part poison types or Jolteon, who doesn't have the best physical attack stat. I think Parasect has leech life? But it's so slow that it'll likely not be worth trying. Idk if I'd call psychic op as a type, but it definitely is broken
I was LITERALLY just thinking to myself like why hasn't JRose11 posted a video since Togepi?? It's been 6days and then BOOM!! Right on time!!! You da GOAT man!!!
Scyther was always one of my favorite pokemon as a kid, simply because I love its design. To me, it's just one of the coolest looking pokemon. The fact that it sucks so bad is just hilarious 😂
I think the reason why Scyther learns the same move twice was because i think Sizor(hope i spelled it right) was supposed to be in the game before it got cut
@@CalaveraSancho Slash was still worth to keep just for the champion's Pidgeot; one Swords Dance + Swift doesn't OHKO the Pidgeot, so you're taking three turns to KO it vs. the two that just Slash takes, and you can't afford to give Pidgeot that extra turn as it is doing decent damage with Wing Attack, or could go for Sky Attack turn 1 and then OHKO you on turn 2. Also against Agatha you don't got a good time to setup against her, as the ghosts can confuse or put you to sleep, while Swords Dance + Swift obviously doesn't help at all against them, and the Golbat can confuse, also do decent damage with Wing Attack, or eliminate your Swords Dance and badge boosts with Haze, better to have Slash to OHKO the Golbat and Arbok without any setup to lessen the amount of luck needed in an already very luck dependent fight.
Oh my god I knew Gen 1's move pools were bad but WOW I had no idea it was this bad for Scyther, like the Bug/Flying Pokemon literally gets nothing besides Normal type damaging moves, what were the devs even _thinking_ when deciding the move pools for some of these?
Despite the lack of good moves, I really like your creativity with the normal moves you were stuck with. Are you intending to do a SNORLAX run any time soon, because it is my favourite Pokemon and it would be really interesting to watch how a slow Pokemon would perform in these solo runs with a really great movepool but with a lack of special and speed in Gen 1. The lack of speed often times poses a big challenge like the slowpoke or oddish run showed, but if anyone can find creative ideas its cleary our Jrose !
So 9/10 times i listen to these videos while playing a game or working out, but im watching as im cook and had to pause 30seconds into the video to say that stat page transition was so smooth, good editing 👌
@@arroaboy7348 Slash has a higher base power than swift but no recoil like double-edge. Simple as that really. I finished the run at level 70, so also fairly high, but I didn’t have to contend with the same issues other than Agatha.
@@tlewtree The coding error I mentioned is actually not the badge boost, it's the focus energy glitch. It's a move designed to increase chance of crit, but in gen 1 it accidentally descreases it I believe. So by using it, slash won't crit ever. or any of his upped sword dance stats
Saw the movepool at the beggining and thought "i guess the way to go is swords dance and swift....maybe slash if need to defeat fast" By the end when Jrose was deleting swift for mimic i was in shock thinking "delete double edge, not swift" Never underestimate the power of swords dance
Honestly, I’d love to make a Red Rebalanced rom hack, which is just good old Gen 1 mechanics, Blue Exclusive mons in the Game Corner and change some of the major boss fights to make them better. Poliwrath with Hypnosis and Gen 1 Amnesia, as well as Primeape, would make Bruno MUCH harder. Removing Agility and Barrier from Lance’s mons would prevent them locking themselves into a useless move with ‘Good’ AI. Misty can have a team that’s easier to confront at such a low level, by removing Bubblebeam from Starmie while giving her a couple of extra Pokémon. Stuff like that.
I think there's a disassembly of Pokered that you can use for your hack, if you decide to do one. If you're using the old binary hacking with hacking tools, editing gym and E4 pokemon movesets is going to be a nightmare.
I would suggest giving his Dragonite Wrap and Blizzard in the remaining slots Also, if you can’t make focus energy do its job, maybe just turn it into an X accuracy
Dude I stay up late just for you, words dont do it justice man but thanks so much for your vids! Trying to get everyone I know to sub, dying for a daily dose when scarlet and violet drop :P
Really cool to see a run through where it wasn’t as import to leverage the badge boost glitch. I saw you level up a couple times and though “oh no”. But it didn’t matter because swords dance was good enough the BBG wasn’t needed.
With respect to hyperbeam/substitute - I think you should make exceptions at least for impossible runs, and maybe even some of the more difficult solo runs. I know you avoid any kind of rom racking but possibly make it so you can purchase 500 coins at a time in RB/Y
So Civilian Surge has been promoted to recruit Surge. Or Captain Surge considering he won 7 times. From civilian to recruit, to assistant manager, to giftshop owner to private, to ensign to Lieutenant to Captain.
It's gonna be funny when the Charmeleon/Charizard run comes, they learn Swords Dance, Body Slam, Dig and they are fast enough that their Slashes will always crit, so Flamethrower, their signature attack on the anime and others is arguably their worst move since there aren't many Pokémon weak to Fire past Erika.
Flamethrower/Fire Blast is going to be better to have than Slash, they're still stronger immediate moves for Zard than Slash even with its auto-crit (142/180 power vs. 140) and keeps Zard's access to a special move against targets with much worse Special than Defense (e.g. Cloyster), while Slash doesn't really offer much unique utility that is going to help it in any matchup more than Swords Dance + Dig/Earthquake or Body Slam.
@@OmegaTyrant The thing about jrose's runs is that the Pokémon has to win battles quickly and a Charizard using Slash has about the same impact a Swords Dance + Body Slam combo, which take two turns. Charizard also is gonna have to rely on Dig, which is always 2 turns, so jrose will have to find ways to save time.
@@Igorcastrochucre Important trainers have more than one pokemon and Swords Dance + Body Slam/Dig/Earthquake is hitting KO benchmarks that Slash alone doesn't (Zard also learns Earthquake so Dig is irrelevant in the later game), while if you need immediate power, like I said Flamethrower/Fire Blast are still stronger than Slash while offering unique utility. Another thing I forgot to mention, crits ignore your badge boost, so Zard's fire moves are also getting that 12.5% badge boost once Blaine is beaten while Slash gets none, making the gap between them larger.
Not even a quarter through the video and this is already a pretty interesting run. I'm curious if you'd consider doing a run with Cradily, maybe in Gen 5 or Gen 6 where it gets Storm Drain as an ability. I feel like it'd be a pretty cool run.
@@giulioceresini1435 jank is fun. Gen 1 is Jank city and is specilhically interesting for solo runs because a lot of mechanichs and glitches just aren't there in later games. The games after gen 1 fixed enought Jank to not be as funny, but also did not fix enought to ne legitimately good. Gen 2 feel 100 times worse to play than gen 1 if you ask me.
I can't believe it has been two years or so and still my favourite Gen 1 Pokemon hasn't been done yet! One day Mohawk Fox, one day. :D Amazing work with your engaging banter and explanations by the way, really makes the videos shine!
Personal prediction before watching. Scyther will probably struggle with the Elite Four. Limited movepool. It does get SD though, which should help. Would love to see Porygon. Will be like a much worse Staryu.
Porygon will be fun I'm personally waiting for Farfetch'd and Marowak, because I think they have a chance of dethroning Onix as the worst fully-evolved pokemon
@@tomc.5704 Farfetch'd gets SD and Agility though, which could be potentially quite handy for both badge boosts and just generally sweeping. Agatha would be an issue for Farfetch'd though for sure.
In my opinion, banning double team for being the most effictive method is unfortunate. It reminds me of Karl Jobst's video on Goldeneye 007 Nintendo 64 speedrunning history, wherein runners discovered that the fastest way to complete the game is to stare at the floor the whole time for lag reduction. Is it boring? Of course. But it's technically the fastest. And that an unintended feature like badge boost glitch would be utilized while an intended strategy is disallowed on the grounds that it's very effective is like... darn. You know?
It's different because Goldeneye is a competitive speed game so going faster than everyone else is the primary objective. Here Jrose wants to go fast of course but he's not competing against anyone else. It's a self imposed rule set that he wants to use for these runs to test his own strategies not just spam double team.
AWWWW YEAAA!!!! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!!! I did solo scyther on Leaf Green and it was very nice! Brock (needed lvl 15 and pursuit), Blane (omfg i still remember those fire blasts...) and Lorellei (i hate that dewgong!!! hahahaha)... They were my 3 nightmares but i was able to find a way to the victory. The Rival's Pidgeot gave me some trouble too (R5 and R6 with those featherdances and wing attacks) but not that much. I beated the champion at lvl65 (starting at 61 vs Lorellei) and i didin't have to use any rare candies along the run. Agatha was easy and Lance used only dragon rage with his Gyarados, giving me time to set the swords dance, just enought to win. The move Swords Dance totally saved my run! I beated Rival 5 with only 1 HP but 1-shoting everything. xD Final move pool against the elite 4 and champion: Slash ~ Aerial Ace (this one never miss xD) ~ Swords Dance ~ Steel Wing (for the hiker, i mean.. bruno... and against Lance's aerodactyl). I equipped some berries but i could do it without them.
As soon as you mentioned the move pool and the only attacks causing damage being Normal Moves. My first thoughts was Ghost Tower and Agatha. This is going to hurt.
Never really touched scyther/pinsir since gen1 bugs always seemed so weak, a lot of people found them cool looking at the time but that wasn't enough for me
scyther was one of my favourites in gen one. I was devastated how bad it was when I finally caught one in the safari zone
Lmao same. Koffing/weezing were another favorite that were underwhelming to me
@@ext93 At least they don’t only get normal moves
Its one of the best when transferring to stadium due to some changes
Tho gold and silver was where he became godly
@@corocsat8469 that's because it digivolves
Me, but with Sneasel in GSC😭
I panicked a little when he deleted bide, but thankfully he reset. I didn't know how he planned to beat Agatha's ghosts without it. I had forgotten about Mimic!
Lol yeah same, I forgot about mimic, thought he was gonna have to restart the whole run.
Still, it isn't a good idea fighting Agatha's ghosts with Bide in a no-items-in-battle run. How many HP you would lose before damaging them? You would get KOed easily.
@@ziocarlone Yea but if not for Mimic, that would be Scyther's only possible option, as terrifying as that might be.
@@danielhale1 yeah, but fortunately Mimic exists. Lol
@@danielhale1 nah he could use struggle.
I love how each of these runs, despite being essentially the same run, all vary so wildly in terms of what the difficulty curve looks like.
That's how he's able to rank them, he plays so similarly is really just ranking based on how they handle the same situation
It occurs to me that with Swords Dance, the actual effect of Focus Energy is useful. And it's not like Scyther has an abundance of other moves to call on.
In gen 1 crits ignore stat boosts, so focus energy would be worse
@@resisilobus3191 In gen 1, focus energy actually lowers the chances of a crit
@@resisilobus3191 But focus energy actually cuts your critical hit ratio instead of boosting it because gen 1
@@timbawden2577 didn't know that, no wonder there is so many bug catchers in gen 1
You....raise a really good point, actually.
The Surge Redemption Arc is here and I am all for it!
One Pokémon I could see being an interesting choice is Arbok. It has a surprisingly good movepool, with moves like Earthquake, Mega Drain and Rock Slide. It can also learn Body Slam, which makes it pretty good in the early-mid game.
Also, starting out with Wrap + Leer can make Brock not being such a wall early on. Considering Arbok has better base speed compared to Onix
Regular snake > rock snake
This is a good point. Before getting bite at 17 will be slow going but the moveset just gets better from there. Add in all the doofy agility/amnesia genius AI at the end and it sounds like a good run
Arbok does have a very underwhelming level up Learnset though. It’s only stab move is Acid which is 40 power
Its counterpart of Sandslash is another one. That gets Swords Dance and good moves (Earthquake, Body Slam, Rock Slide for Flying-types like Gyarados) to combo with it. Ofc with its drawback of poor special and speed that might hold it back a lot.
Oh man I always have Arbok on my team, my favourite Pokemon.
Everytime I crawl in bed and a Jrose video pops up. I know today was a good day.
Same
Classic 1am jrose viewing
i was about to say the same. Just crawled inside my bed, now will watch this under the sheets ❤️
Facts, nothing better then a Jrose video late in the night
Late night gang
It's so weird to think this series has been going on for 2 years. Great job so far! I love watching these
Jrose is appointment viewing for me since Covid.
Scyther’s movepool in Red/Blue is quite atrocious overall, so I don’t think it’ll make the top cut so to speak.
Get it? Top cut?
See yourself out🤣🤣
Mimic won’t save him from suffering on Agatha (and Pokémon Tower). At least it has a medium fast growth rate.
Lol cut it out -Joey Gladstone
It's a cut below the top
I work in a busy college bar and get home normally around 3-5am. I never sleep without putting this man on my tv full blast and listening to him consistently demote playground monitor Surge. Keep up the good work, can’t wait to see what’s next!
Check out SteveMPlays too. Perfect for that background
which college
For real bro just started law school and after a long ass day of school and work I genuinely just enjoy hearing dude talk about this lol
Assistant gift shop manager Surge.
Cool story bro!
This series, specifically the base pokemon in red/blue is easily my absolute favourite for pokemon content and generally a favourite of all things ever.
It was neat and unique in its format, specifically not being wholly luck dependent when it started, and through lockdown it was a godsend of a distraction from the crippling boredom. It actually got me back into playing pokemon, and i just can't say how much i love it.
Finally someone who doesnt say this games are garbage.
"I thought for sure we were going to, somehow, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
Probably my new favorite Jrose quote.
This also implies an upcoming Pinsir run and I am so stoked to see the Notorious B.U.G. :)
Pinsir is actually top tier. Scyther just fits Jrose's bad Pokemon narrative he's been going with so maybe not for a while. Seriously, Pinsir is a top 10 contender.
@@GymLeaderMatt1987 Agreed. Pinsir actually eats hits and it cleaves through everything.
@@rjante2236 Low speed means it won't crit to ruin badge boosts along with a top 5 attack stat and submission to not have to struggle at Pokemon Tower. It's a run I'm looking forward to!
Pinsir basically just being scyther with body slam is actually phenomenal, even if it gets slash long after it would be particularly useful
Also someone had to say it so i think they meant seismic toss to hit ghosts, not submission
@@shansheenly Submission. The best ghost type counter move in the game.
The Swift run was awesome. Love all your videos. I can't believe they only gave Scyther normal moves in red and blue. The fury attack attempt was highly entertaining.
Just when I was getting ready for bed, Jrose drops this HEAT
I know that's right
This was such a great video. Loved hearing his explanation of why crits matter and how we got the name rival fiveal even though I’ve known for years. One of the great TH-cam channels out there
I think it's "Fival" to be honest, not "Fiveal".
Hey Jrose11, I needed to let you know that this is my favorite series on TH-cam. Love the work you put into these videos and I always look forward to a drop. Thank you!
A great run to witness, as always. Pinsir for comparison would be pretty dope to be honest
I always watch these videos multiple times, because the story and the narration helps me relax and fall asleep. So I gotta watch them again the next day to catch what I’ve missed. I’ve had 4 straight days of bad sleep, so I am so extremely grateful for this upload mr JRose. I’ll finally get some good rest
Gonna end up dreaming about a scyther fighting kanto
Wow, guess I'm not the only one who does this!
Same here
SteveMPlays is great for sleep too
I hope you get some good rest in!
I'm very appreciative of all this JRose content we've been getting of late
JRose coming in clutch with the content for me to watch while I’m on midnights. Thanks bro!
So glad to see the sprite colors change again. Thank you Jrose ❤️
I love that JRose plays with the ruleset he does because he likes it. He doesn't care what anyone else says.
Dammit, and I was just getting ready for bed too. Found your channel last week after forgetting about you for a year plus, and scyther is one of my all time favourites so there's no way I'm not watching this right now
I have watched every one of these Kanto Challenges, and I can’t wait to watch more.
Had a rough night at work and the moment I sit down to watch TH-cam this pops up. Thanks mate. Perfect timing.
Thank you for showing the Game Corner part for Hyper Beam, it's meaningful to actually be able to see why you don't use it
Always excited for a late night Jrose video :) every time I see one when I’m going to bed I say “hellll yeah”
I am surprised you didn’t use mimic early on. It can get rid of a lot of the small move pool issues, giving you at least options instead of just slash/double edge.
Finally, the run with my favorite Pokémon from gen 1 😄 thanks for the amazing content as usual
glad you've taken the opportunity to play some runs with some of the better pokemon recently! i definitely enjoy watching you work out strategies for less viable mons a ton too but i'm appreciating the change in pace
For those who are unfamiliar with gen 1 mechanics, in gen 1 crits ignore all stat changes including stat buffs to your Pokémon.
Thankfully, in gen 2 and onward crits stack on your Pokémon's stat buffs and ignores their debuffs which makes crits more viable for solo runs in later gens
I'd love to see some Gen 2 speed runs for Ho-Oh, Lugia, Tyranitar, and Celebi.
yeah you can
the end
Focus Energy/Swords Dance/Double Edge (or Slash)/Mimic might sound like an insane moveset, but by using the Focus Energy glitch on purpose you guarantee the Swords Dance boosts stick. Mimic for ghosts.
Would that work though? As slashes improved critical hit ratio is based on base speed, isn't it always going to be a crit, regardless of focus energy?
@@michaelnobbs9147 it divides the crit rate by four, so it should result in a 25% crit chance. Then again, this is gen 1 so who knows
@@menderbug1 honestly I think it depends on how the math is calculated. Might try it later
@@michaelnobbs9147 please report here if you do! I'm interested to know how it works
@@menderbug1 In another comment chain, they said that this only works if after the speed badge boost you're much slower than the opponent, but it's only a 50% reduction.
If you're faster instead, it doesn't change anything.
I'm glad you're uploading more. You're one of my favorite youtubers.
Love how Scyther and Pinsir are the two "strongest" Bug Pokemon in Gen 1 and can't learn a single Bug Move.
What a good generation.
Yea, Pinsir at least learns Submission and Body Slam and his low speed pairs well with Swords Dance.
I don't think their were any bug attacking moves except leech life in this generation.
@@robbywiginton3605 I think there was pin missile (beedrill and jolteon learn) and twin needle (only beedrill learns)
probably a good thing considering how bad bug moves are in gen 1
Vicegrip is literally Pinsir's signature move...why isnt it bug...
I'm loving this fast paced upload schedule, good work recently
Gen1 Focus Energy (which makes crits nigh impossible due to a coding error) would have been helpful with Sword Dance strategies.
Theoretically, yes, but that does run into two issues. One, it makes setup take an extra turn. Since Scyther's bulk is just on the low side of OK by Gen 1 standards (base 70 HP, 80 Defense, 55 Special), that could get dangerous. Two, it takes up a move slot. Even with how barren Scyther's move pool is, dedicating a move slot to Focus Energy is potentially a problem.
@@djkates1916
Even worse, you can’t use slash with it. Slash without the speed boosting badge is a coin flip and with it (and badge boosting) it overpowers focus energy and start critting all the time. Which means he has to give slash for swift, which is very bad.
Ive been binging about one or two of these episodes per day, in no order (yt recommended order?). I love the way you call it like a sports game and it was really accesible to me with no knowledge of pokemon speed runs because you explain things that some people might not know. Thank you!
It’s fascinating how in Scyther’s case, critical hits are more frustrating than they are helpful in a lot of ways. Pokémon Red/Blue are so strange.
And here's a thought -- Focus Energy lowers your crit chance, which might make it useful here
@@tomc.5704 I never would have thought about that, but that is a big brain play.
@@tomc.5704 Focus Energy confirmed useful.
@@tomc.5704 Kinda sucks needing to use up a moveslot just to have your Swords Dance actually do something. And with only Normal attacks it's not like you have much wiggle room for moves anyway.
The beginning of the Civilian Surge redemption arc.
There is just something oddly comforting about these videos that I can't quite figure out but I love all the same.
Was just thinking a Jrose video would really make my night more enjoyable, and this gets uploaded. Thanks :)
Perfect. Just needed to get back to sleep. Good timing Mr. Rose.
Great choice of pokemon today too :)
Scyther was one of my favorite Pokemon as a kid. I was so excited when I got him at the Game Corner but quickly saw he didn't learn any good moves that made him worth keeping on the team.
does he get stronger at the e4?
@@makkaroni07 Whut
@@MadForHatters does scyther become a good pokemon later on in the game?
@@makkaroni07 Did you even watch video? I even outright said he doesn't learn any good moves.
@@MadForHatters i did but i was just confused and wondered if there was any other way of using him
I get the chills with your every upload!!!
Would love to see some more first form pokemon soon. Like Spearrow, Koffing and Meowth. Maybe even some less used ones like Kabuto or Omanyte
My boy back at it again with heart passion and drive love everything produced by you I love it t here💯
Not seeing Jrose keep Focus Energy on Scyther hurt my soul lol. It's basically a one-way toggle for when Scyther needs to shift from abusing crits to abusing Swords Dance and badge boost mid-fight. I use almost the exact same strat when I use a Beedrill in-game. Good job though! All Normal-type moves is pretty miserable no matter what the strategy is.
Nice idea, but Jrose prefers playing avoiding abusing glitches that are not the beloved badge boost glitch, so I think he wouldn't have used Focus Energy anyway. :P
What is the mechanic behind focus energy? How does it compliment swords dance?
@@Mcwangr basically Focus Energy should multiply by four times the probability of hitting a critical strike; in 1st gen it instead divides it by four times. Since critical strikes ignore statistic increases, after 3 Sword Dances a critical strike hits for less damage than a normal strike.
Scyther’s still too fast for focus energy to work with slash. Consider how good slash is for random fights, it’s probably not worth it. He can still use badge boosting and use hyper beam tho.
I remember watching this series when covid first hit. Cool to see youre still at it
You'll be surprised at how amazing Pinsir is. Faster Brock and Body Slam will be super nice.
With that commentary on the last Agatha battle, you strike me as a man who could make it as an auctioneer.
Reminder: This is the second-strongest bug Pokemon in Gen I competitive.
Psychic wasn't even that OP as a type. It's just that the types that were supposed to counter it were screwed over _hard_ in gen I.
Edit: For those confused, imagine if X-Scissor and Shadow Ball were in Gen I and the ghost type immunity bug wasn't. Now imagine if Banette was in Gen I. And if Special was split as it was in Gen II. Would Dark or Steel really be necessary in that case?
The counterplay was barely there, but nearly every Psychic type had high Special, and a move that lowers the opponent's Special 1/3 of the time.
Good against two types, barely a real weakness. And otherwise, hits everything else besides itself for neutral damage. It's still good.
@@SoraDonaldGoofy99 That's not even mentioning that Special was for Offense and Defense, so it also limited what a lot of non-Psychics could do to hurt them. Anything that ran a Special move was just mostly going for Status... and praying their opponent did not switch to a Starmie or Slowbro when trying to use Fire on Exeggutor. Seriously, you do not want to fight a Burned Starmie.
Ghost types were supposed to be super effective on Psychic, but the game designers messed up and accidentally made Psychic immune to Ghost. So it's an even worse situation than it was supposed to be!
@@iss2075 And then did not really have Ghost moves even if they got the Weakness correct: Lick was incredibly weak, Night Shade was fixed-damage, and Confuse Ray was Status.
On top of that, all the Gen1 Ghosts were part Poison, and what types was Poison weak against? Bug, Ground, and, oh, Psychic.
And the best possible bug moves are all very weak and maybe hit multiple times. By part poison types or Jolteon, who doesn't have the best physical attack stat. I think Parasect has leech life? But it's so slow that it'll likely not be worth trying.
Idk if I'd call psychic op as a type, but it definitely is broken
I was LITERALLY just thinking to myself like why hasn't JRose11 posted a video since Togepi?? It's been 6days and then BOOM!! Right on time!!! You da GOAT man!!!
Scyther was always one of my favorite pokemon as a kid, simply because I love its design. To me, it's just one of the coolest looking pokemon. The fact that it sucks so bad is just hilarious 😂
These videos help me zone out when I need to. Oh the nostalgia, and I love your logical approach and how you make the game challenging. Thank you❤
I think the reason why Scyther learns the same move twice was because i think Sizor(hope i spelled it right) was supposed to be in the game before it got cut
Everytime I see you uploaded a new video, it makes me smile! Keep it up!
Slash is a decent normal move but it doesn't work properly with Swords dance so the move pool has that issue as well
Honestly, I'm not sure why Jrose kept slash to the end when swift is superior with buffs...
@@CalaveraSancho Slash was still worth to keep just for the champion's Pidgeot; one Swords Dance + Swift doesn't OHKO the Pidgeot, so you're taking three turns to KO it vs. the two that just Slash takes, and you can't afford to give Pidgeot that extra turn as it is doing decent damage with Wing Attack, or could go for Sky Attack turn 1 and then OHKO you on turn 2. Also against Agatha you don't got a good time to setup against her, as the ghosts can confuse or put you to sleep, while Swords Dance + Swift obviously doesn't help at all against them, and the Golbat can confuse, also do decent damage with Wing Attack, or eliminate your Swords Dance and badge boosts with Haze, better to have Slash to OHKO the Golbat and Arbok without any setup to lessen the amount of luck needed in an already very luck dependent fight.
It could work for reflect users. Even to this day i have problems beating Alakazam from the champion when it uses reflect.
Thanks for dropping this on my birthday Jrose, awesome present from you before bed!
about to watch and I already know this is gonna be a great video like always
Oh my god I knew Gen 1's move pools were bad but WOW I had no idea it was this bad for Scyther, like the Bug/Flying Pokemon literally gets nothing besides Normal type damaging moves, what were the devs even _thinking_ when deciding the move pools for some of these?
Sandslash only learns Ground moves from a single use TM and Aerodactyl doesn't learn a single Rock type move
Yea gen one was a mess before fire red remakes
Ratatta can learn blizzard but not ice beam in these games...
Thinking? Oh they weren't doing that
Theres speculation that bug was one of the last types implemented so they simply ran out of time
I really appreciate your consistent "No Intro, No Outro" policy.
Despite the lack of good moves, I really like your creativity with the normal moves you were stuck with. Are you intending to do a SNORLAX run any time soon, because it is my favourite Pokemon and it would be really interesting to watch how a slow Pokemon would perform in these solo runs with a really great movepool but with a lack of special and speed in Gen 1. The lack of speed often times poses a big challenge like the slowpoke or oddish run showed, but if anyone can find creative ideas its cleary our Jrose !
Snorlax gets Amnesia, I think it'll be really easy
I was actually hoping for a Scyther run after the last video, thank you for always making good videos man!
Lmao scyther’s backsprite looks like a llama
So 9/10 times i listen to these videos while playing a game or working out, but im watching as im cook and had to pause 30seconds into the video to say that stat page transition was so smooth, good editing 👌
When I did this run myself I actually used focus energy to remove the crits from slash and it made the run really smooth after lavender.
hahahah. That's a solid exploit of a coding error
Geniune question, why do that as opposed to swift strats? saves you a move slot
@@mattbirnholtz13 true but then slash probably isn’t supposed to crit 100% of the time either and the badge boost glitch is also a coding error 🤷🏻♂️
@@arroaboy7348 Slash has a higher base power than swift but no recoil like double-edge. Simple as that really. I finished the run at level 70, so also fairly high, but I didn’t have to contend with the same issues other than Agatha.
@@tlewtree The coding error I mentioned is actually not the badge boost, it's the focus energy glitch. It's a move designed to increase chance of crit, but in gen 1 it accidentally descreases it I believe. So by using it, slash won't crit ever. or any of his upped sword dance stats
Wow I was just looking for something to watch while I fell asleep and this goes up. Couldn’t have been better timing!
I love how Yellow version only gave Scyther one new move, Wing Attack, at LEVEL FIFTY!
Saw the movepool at the beggining and thought "i guess the way to go is swords dance and swift....maybe slash if need to defeat fast"
By the end when Jrose was deleting swift for mimic i was in shock thinking "delete double edge, not swift"
Never underestimate the power of swords dance
Honestly, I’d love to make a Red Rebalanced rom hack, which is just good old Gen 1 mechanics, Blue Exclusive mons in the Game Corner and change some of the major boss fights to make them better. Poliwrath with Hypnosis and Gen 1 Amnesia, as well as Primeape, would make Bruno MUCH harder. Removing Agility and Barrier from Lance’s mons would prevent them locking themselves into a useless move with ‘Good’ AI. Misty can have a team that’s easier to confront at such a low level, by removing Bubblebeam from Starmie while giving her a couple of extra Pokémon. Stuff like that.
That sounds sick! I'd absolutely play that.
I think there's a disassembly of Pokered that you can use for your hack, if you decide to do one. If you're using the old binary hacking with hacking tools, editing gym and E4 pokemon movesets is going to be a nightmare.
I would suggest giving his Dragonite Wrap and Blizzard in the remaining slots
Also, if you can’t make focus energy do its job, maybe just turn it into an X accuracy
Dude I stay up late just for you, words dont do it justice man but thanks so much for your vids! Trying to get everyone I know to sub, dying for a daily dose when scarlet and violet drop :P
Really cool to see a run through where it wasn’t as import to leverage the badge boost glitch. I saw you level up a couple times and though “oh no”. But it didn’t matter because swords dance was good enough the BBG wasn’t needed.
These videos are ASMR for sleep. Please keep up the good work
With respect to hyperbeam/substitute - I think you should make exceptions at least for impossible runs, and maybe even some of the more difficult solo runs. I know you avoid any kind of rom racking but possibly make it so you can purchase 500 coins at a time in RB/Y
I always look forward to your videos and they always make me happy, love ya!
Someone needs to do a Mewtwo run for every Gen. would be interesting to see
That's a good question and makes me wonder how mewtwo would fare against one of gen 3's other finest in leafgreen/firered.
Someone? JRose the only one I want to see this doing!
I know ChaoticMeatball did that for FireRed.
Damn I was Really into this video! That first battle against the lottery was Insane!! Your commentary is spot on as always 👌 thank you!!
So Civilian Surge has been promoted to recruit Surge.
Or Captain Surge considering he won 7 times.
From civilian to recruit, to assistant manager, to giftshop owner to private, to ensign to Lieutenant to Captain.
I'm growing to appreciate your content, Jrose. It's getting a lot better!
It's gonna be funny when the Charmeleon/Charizard run comes, they learn Swords Dance, Body Slam, Dig and they are fast enough that their Slashes will always crit, so Flamethrower, their signature attack on the anime and others is arguably their worst move since there aren't many Pokémon weak to Fire past Erika.
Flamethrower/Fire Blast is going to be better to have than Slash, they're still stronger immediate moves for Zard than Slash even with its auto-crit (142/180 power vs. 140) and keeps Zard's access to a special move against targets with much worse Special than Defense (e.g. Cloyster), while Slash doesn't really offer much unique utility that is going to help it in any matchup more than Swords Dance + Dig/Earthquake or Body Slam.
@@OmegaTyrant The thing about jrose's runs is that the Pokémon has to win battles quickly and a Charizard using Slash has about the same impact a Swords Dance + Body Slam combo, which take two turns. Charizard also is gonna have to rely on Dig, which is always 2 turns, so jrose will have to find ways to save time.
@@Igorcastrochucre Important trainers have more than one pokemon and Swords Dance + Body Slam/Dig/Earthquake is hitting KO benchmarks that Slash alone doesn't (Zard also learns Earthquake so Dig is irrelevant in the later game), while if you need immediate power, like I said Flamethrower/Fire Blast are still stronger than Slash while offering unique utility. Another thing I forgot to mention, crits ignore your badge boost, so Zard's fire moves are also getting that 12.5% badge boost once Blaine is beaten while Slash gets none, making the gap between them larger.
Nice job inverting the video to give a different perspective heading into the elite 4 after the power plant, subtle but good choice.
Not even a quarter through the video and this is already a pretty interesting run. I'm curious if you'd consider doing a run with Cradily, maybe in Gen 5 or Gen 6 where it gets Storm Drain as an ability. I feel like it'd be a pretty cool run.
Those generations kinda blow…. I’m not sure if Jrose is interested if it’s later than gen 3. Idk he could sometimes play later generations
@@jameswagoner1460 If those generation are bad, what is gen 1? Turbo-bad?
Gen 5 is leagues above the buggy and unbalanced mess gen 1 was.
@@giulioceresini1435 jank is fun. Gen 1 is Jank city and is specilhically interesting for solo runs because a lot of mechanichs and glitches just aren't there in later games.
The games after gen 1 fixed enought Jank to not be as funny, but also did not fix enought to ne legitimately good. Gen 2 feel 100 times worse to play than gen 1 if you ask me.
I can't believe it has been two years or so and still my favourite Gen 1 Pokemon hasn't been done yet! One day Mohawk Fox, one day. :D Amazing work with your engaging banter and explanations by the way, really makes the videos shine!
Yesssss
Ready huh lol
Always with the late night uploads when I gotta work in the am lol love it
This is the perfect example of how a Pokemon can have great stats, awesome design, but without a decent move pool, it's a pain to use!
You are the only youtuber/streamer I know of who pronounces Arcanine's name correctly. Thank you for this.
Personal prediction before watching. Scyther will probably struggle with the Elite Four. Limited movepool. It does get SD though, which should help.
Would love to see Porygon. Will be like a much worse Staryu.
Porygon will be fun
I'm personally waiting for Farfetch'd and Marowak, because I think they have a chance of dethroning Onix as the worst fully-evolved pokemon
@@tomc.5704 Farfetch'd gets SD and Agility though, which could be potentially quite handy for both badge boosts and just generally sweeping. Agatha would be an issue for Farfetch'd though for sure.
I can't stress enough how much I love the little subscribe animation at the beginning of the video
In my opinion, banning double team for being the most effictive method is unfortunate. It reminds me of Karl Jobst's video on Goldeneye 007 Nintendo 64 speedrunning history, wherein runners discovered that the fastest way to complete the game is to stare at the floor the whole time for lag reduction. Is it boring? Of course. But it's technically the fastest. And that an unintended feature like badge boost glitch would be utilized while an intended strategy is disallowed on the grounds that it's very effective is like... darn. You know?
It's different because Goldeneye is a competitive speed game so going faster than everyone else is the primary objective. Here Jrose wants to go fast of course but he's not competing against anyone else. It's a self imposed rule set that he wants to use for these runs to test his own strategies not just spam double team.
AWWWW YEAAA!!!! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!!! I did solo scyther on Leaf Green and it was very nice! Brock (needed lvl 15 and pursuit), Blane (omfg i still remember those fire blasts...) and Lorellei (i hate that dewgong!!! hahahaha)... They were my 3 nightmares but i was able to find a way to the victory. The Rival's Pidgeot gave me some trouble too (R5 and R6 with those featherdances and wing attacks) but not that much. I beated the champion at lvl65 (starting at 61 vs Lorellei) and i didin't have to use any rare candies along the run. Agatha was easy and Lance used only dragon rage with his Gyarados, giving me time to set the swords dance, just enought to win. The move Swords Dance totally saved my run! I beated Rival 5 with only 1 HP but 1-shoting everything. xD
Final move pool against the elite 4 and champion: Slash ~ Aerial Ace (this one never miss xD) ~ Swords Dance ~ Steel Wing (for the hiker, i mean.. bruno... and against Lance's aerodactyl). I equipped some berries but i could do it without them.
Technically Struggle is classified as Normal Type in every Generation.
It's just that from Gen. 2 onwards it deals typeless damage.
YES SCYTHER!!!! My favourite Pokemon im gonna enjoy this thanks Jrose
As soon as you mentioned the move pool and the only attacks causing damage being Normal Moves.
My first thoughts was Ghost Tower and Agatha.
This is going to hurt.
Keep up the good work Jrose. Still watching every video so far. Keep making badass content
Scyther on paper looks cool in gen 1. Then you realize it has no STAB and most of its moves are really really shit...
It's so sad honestly.
Good work as always JRose! Let's see Pinsir next :)
Never really touched scyther/pinsir since gen1 bugs always seemed so weak, a lot of people found them cool looking at the time but that wasn't enough for me
Seems like they are weak to everything.
watching this at my midnight shift.
keep up the good work