1320 Toda Header & Innovative Traction Bar - EF Civic B20B Track Car
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Hell yeah! Running the same header on my motor, love it and gained more power when I got it retuned!
1320's shit is pure legit stuff!! Good build quality and looks , good prices!! Bought their stuff (parts) quite a few times for past Honda builds.
I like that. Gives alot a room in the engine bay clean👍👌
love the videos especially because you put the mods to the test & track the car!
I think all mods need to be tested! This is the most fun way I have ever tested parts too!
Nice! I love the install video and those GBH decals are awesome!
Thanks Dale, much appreciated as always and love to hear your input!
Great job on the install. I like the new Allen head hardware you used to fit the new header. It looks really sharp and the car sounds great. I like how the header looks burnt in.
Me too, I love how it looks bronzish but after it gets burnt it looked rough, like a mean rough. I had been wanting to try the hardware to spice up the look of the header since the old nuts/bolts look so worn out.
Great video!! Love the EF with the B20, great sound!! Keep the content coming!!
+havoc010101 thanks Havoc! More soon!
I'll bet you loving that 1320. I bought there to top mount Turbo header and its a peice of art! They make a great product....
That car sounds amazing I love it
I like the way the stainless heat up and changes to that blue color, like titianum.
It can look cool. If I cleaned/polished it back up I wonder if it would look better. It's a little dirty and discolored now.
That’s 2 time I watched this love the header
+Shawn Jacobi wow thanks! I've watched it a handful of times myself. 😎
I just ordered mine so this is perfect bro thanks😎😎
Awesome man! Cant wait to see it on your car!
Car sounds great bro keep up the good work
Awesome Video! I'm installing a traction bar for my CD5 Build. I can't wait to feel the improvement and gains
Thanks man
I took off my bumper when i did the bushings. my plastic bottoms are stuck and it seemed like the easy thing to do. Thanks for the vids man they hella helped out.
You got it, glad to help!
Nice, super nice installs
kracksmith4ejm1 thanks krack!
Video is well done. Thank you!
Thanks!
Hey man digging the videos. Just started watching you again after being out of the Honda thing for a while. I also just realized that I think I've bought parts off of you before when I lived in Las Cruces. Been years, but you know some of the people I used to hang with at ASR. Keep up the good work man, just got back into an ED6 myself.
+Savage Motoring very cool man and thanks! Where are you now?
That was awesome.
Looking good Honda love.
Glad you liked it!
Badass jon! Sounds great and awesome content as usual. Glad to see the wifey enjoying the project too. Usually they are on the opposing side of projects like this. Kudos to her on being a cool better half. Lol
No kidding! She's a keeper for sure! Did you get your welder and get started on your exhaust fixes?
Them fly by's sounds nice man 👍
Thanks Zack!
Nice header ... l like the new bolts holding the header
Thanks man! I dig em a lot!
I’m going to save this video because I might utilize it later as a reference.
Sounds really nice!!
Thanks Stephen
You're a sound dude man, subbed 👊
+old larry appreciate the support Larry!!
Great install video as always jon! Love how the wife is their rolling wit you and loving it! That's so cool! Been wanting to upgrade my exhaust cuzz im still running the original exhuast and exhaust manifold but its really starting to show its age with little leaks on the pipe towards the muffler! Sounds like your yellow crx sounded when you frist got it. Great job as always! 👍✌☝
I hate that farting sound, lol! And man it was so fun that she came out! I have a little more footage of that in the next video which really made me laugh so hard! What kind of header/exhaust are you thinking of going with?
That's a tough one trying to find that piece. Might be difficult. Another option would be getting the ebay exhaust for your car, maybe it's like $100 also? Then get a muffler of your choice welded into it instead of the crappy ebay ones. That way you'll have all mandrel bent piping and I bet it would be cheaper than having a muffler shop make one which may be a crush-bent system.
Another great video Jon awesome upgrade parts on the black dragon. Love that traction bar 😀😁
Time to get one for your crx buddy!!
Garage Built Hondas soon Jon
IMO the test pipe made a much bigger difference than the header upgrade.
One thing I do like about the header is the stainless collars around the allen bolts - that should make everything much easier to remove in the future.
Traction bar upgrade was cool. One of the few mods I never did on my Civics.
¡ Awesome! ¡ love it ! Great Work .
I guess 150 whp that should be great 😎
Man I freaking hope so!!!
Hellz yeah man sounds good
Thanks!!
That fly by though ;)
+AutoHaven I like it too, sounds cool as hell!
Sounds good!
+jockobo thanks man!
Love it man keep it up
allmotorCRX thanks buddy!
lovin this channel man
+charles hinkle Thanks so much Charles!
Well dome jon! The headers look great!!
Appreciate that Loris!
Garage Built Hondas
For The traction bar I in Plan to make an homemade mods.
I Will put a video on that mod..
Ps
I have just put the 4.25 fd from rover / honda concerto
In My l3 tranny .. on crx ed9.
From 3.8 fd to a 4.25 its day and night difference😍
i have the vibrant version of this header and these toda style have the best clearence for ef but that 1320 looks nice
It's the best header I have ever owned, not that I have owned a ton, but I am very happy with the fit/quality of this header!
beautiful car and great video
Thank you, I greatly appreciate the comment!
I like the burn color on the pipes
Looks very similar to my Toda style PLM header I have on my EM1
That 1320 Performance header looks hella sweet!
It's really nice, fit was perfect. Only complaint is that it's pretty dull looking now
@@GarageBuiltHondas Performance wise and quality do you prefer this 1320 header over the S2 alpha V2 or vice versa?
Skunk2
Nice setup!! Sounds great too!!
Thanks man!
Garage Built Hondas do you feel a real gain with tube heads vs stock manifold? I have a 2001 Accord Ex with 3.0 J30a1 engine and just did exhaust work, did cat delete, kept stock resonator and no mufflers.
+ACDC4201 definitely! Mine probably wasn't as big initially since I already had a header and exhaust, but it's now more free flowing. On a stock system, freeing up that power will add some HP easily. May not be a ton but with quality header & exhaust you'll make between 7-15 potentially.
Garage Built Hondas thanks for the feed back, I'm just getting an opinion before making an investment on headers.
+ACDC4201 👍
sound great bru
Thanks
This is a great video
Thank yoy
i got the same header and i was able to fit it in with the oem crossmember (i had to actually lower the crossmember). im going to buy a traction bar though so i can have more room for a future turbo and also i think im getting vibrations from the header resting against the oem crossmember
+Grant Bischoff 👍
Thanks for this. Been debating the traction bar for my wagon, mostly to run a half size OEM rad. Think I'm going to do it lol
+ReDevil it's a great bar! You can run the oem crossmember with the Skunk2 half size radiator. I had that before installing this bar.
Garage Built Hondas Not a fan of S2 is the only reason I haven't used theirs.
+ReDevil got it!
that header looks sweet bro...my next upgrade will be the innovative traction bar for sure gives so much clearance I'm really surprised it's a pound heavier..the car sounds great it did get deeper..it's really cool your wife got to go with you on the track sounds like she had fun nervous or not lol.
I couldn't believe it either. I swear it was going to be 2-4 lbs lighter!! I'm so glad the exhaust sounds better now, it was a little too rough on the drums, and in the next video I have a couple more clips of her with me at the track, it's pretty darn funny too!
Garage Built Hondas yeah man I hear you on the ears haha...that's cool as hell man that your wife is interested in what makes you happy.
She's the reason I have 5 damn EF's! I'm the conservative one!!
Garage Built Hondas hahah mine says finish your projects or I'll sell them... I don't think she would...hopefully lol
Man great video I enjoyed the whole thing I was wondering where you got the cattle attic converter replacement an price? I would love to go on a track like you go on I don't know of any near were I live that I could go. It looks like a lot of fun!
+CJrekrap It's only a test pipe, it was $35 off eBay. You should try, I guarantee it'll be the most fun you'll have in your hatch!
Almost sounds like a vtec motor 👌👍
Roberto Montes It sounds so much better now!
Next upgrade on your EF should be a nice set of tires. Something sticky to compliment the suspension and traction bar. Definitely will notice a difference over the Kumhos
Michael C Oh no I'm good man, lol. These are my daily tires. I use Nitto NT01'S at the track on some Buddy Club Kuroki wheels.
Train honking three times killed me, lol.
+Si_dro K24 right dude, I think the train operator knew I was punching it!!
Garage Built Hondas golden 😂😂
Dude, I have a 1991 with a B18C type R Spec R 1998 in it with LS type R transmission. I would be having lot of fun at that track haha. Lowered on KYB shock and eibach springs. Innovatives tractions bar(same as in vid), innovative motor/trans mounts.
Just having trouble upshifting from 2nd to 3rd in up 4k rpm. No problem downshifting tho. I think last owner slammed that gear lol
Well I am loving that car hah.
Great vid budd!
xacoviex That'd be sick, you'd love it! It's a really fun track and sounds like your car is already ready for it!! It sucks having transmission problems like that. My 91 Si B16 transmission has that problem going into 2nd and 3rd, I hate it! 😒
I know... Dont wanna mess with that transmission myself :/.. I have a diploma in mechanic. but im not tooled for this.
+xacoviex I'll probably send mine out to get rebuilt when I'm ready also. I don't want to spend all this money on parts and ruin the transmission by not assembling it correctly or to perfect specs.
Im torn between the innovative traction bar and the Ktuned, i love ktuned products and to me looks a bit better, what would you suggest?
I prefer the Innovative. I like how the Innovative bolts to the original crossmember locations. The Ktuned bolts up to the tow hook mounts, I didn't really like that at all.
Gotta run that Innovative front torque engine mount too. The motor will barely move and really cuts down on wheel hop
stunnasam21 I'm gonna look into it. The Innovative mounts I have now seem to work pretty well. The extra stiffness would be nice.
Garage Built Hondas there's an adaptor bracket to bolt up ($25), then the mount itself ($110). I don't know if they come in different bushing stiffness. Mine feels like the 60A. I got them both off swapshopracing.com.
Nice, thanks for that info! Made it super easy for me!
Nice videos man, helpful getting a 1998 civic hatchback dx for cheap, keeping your channel in mind. I never comment on peoples videos but keep it up. You should do a turbo civic build at some point.
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Thanks, responded to your other similar comment!! Appreciate the feedback!
Oh awesome once again. I do plan on getting a traction bar as well for my EJ1 B20z1 coupe and maybe a SKUNK2 IM. VERY curious about that dyno man. Let's see what some bolt-on's and a good tune can do with a stock B20z :)
I'm kinda nervous that with the skunk2 IM, TB, header and test pipe I'll make like 7 extra HP. That would royally be a let down! lol I need to convert to obd1 also so I can have it tuned. That'll be the best option I believe for it.
Ithink you'll make more looking at how restrictive that cat was. I think a good 10HP increase at least considering the bolt ons. If not then it's def the tune so yes OBD1 conversion , and then Chrome or Hondata. Either way I'm on the edge of my seat :)
If you're on the edge of your seat, I'm damn near falling off mine!! I'll get to the dyno soon!
The speed factory burnt titanium header studs would look good with that header after it changed color. They look a bit more durable as well ,imho. Great vid tho. I'm doing a b20vtec rebuild and I think I'm gonna go with that 1320 toda header now too
I like that the header has gussets on top of the main runners where it meats the flange to prevent weld cracking. Looks like it has stepped tubing also. The flange looks thick and heavy duty too. Just looks like a solid product!
+ElekTroFuNkDiRtPuNk I've never seen those, I'll take a look!
+ElekTroFuNkDiRtPuNk I think you'll like it too, I'm super happy with it!
Great video to learn off of! Love the way the car sounds also. So the Innovative Traction Bar would work with the Dseries?
Yer Vang yes, it will fit perfect!
Garage Built Hondas would I need the front transmission mount?
If you are using stock mounts I would suggest using the front mount. If you have aftermarket urethane mounts then you're fine without it.
My 1320 header is killer. Great choice imo.
Where can i purchase the 1320 header?? Ebay?
Yes, or directly from their website.
Where do you live?
What does the application say?
Are you trying to daily drive it also?
You re my men
Great video dude. ordered the same header from 1320 for my b20 integra da few days ago cant wait
+rcysi you're gonna love it! I was impressed at the quality and am a big fan now!
Garage Built Hondas did you feel a Difference from the dc header? I'm going from stock header to the 1320 one so I'm sure I'll feel a difference, but was it noticeable between the dc and 1320?
Not a huge noticeable difference, but the sound changed. It is now more smooth and has a better growl, the old setup sounded just a tad raspy up top.
Garage Built Hondas ya got it on and love it noticed a nice difference. I was already running exhaust and CAI so I needed the header.
Garage Built Hondas what do you run your ignition timing at? Have you messed,with it at all
Those are favorite headers lol
My fav too now!
Glad you enjoy it too 👍👍👍💪
jon, nice toda rep header. How did it hold up so far, where can i buy those same header hardware to eliminate the stud, lastly where is a good place to buy these header?
Jon ive had this traction bar for quite a while now havent installed it, how many threads did you end up goin with on the radius rods?
I didn't count the rotations. But it was at least 2/3rds the way all the way screwed into the radius rod. Since I have energy suspension LCA bushings, the LCA's really didn't move when I removed the fork and radius rod, so when I installed the Inno rods and bar I barely moved the LCA back a notch when putting on the rods.
Do you know the bolt size for the crossmember? The two bolts on each bracket of the bar itself
Can you put the link for the parts in description..Great video clean and informative
I don't want to leave links up there as they expire eventually but I got the header and test pipe off of ebay. The seller is actually the 1320 company. You can find it by searching "b header toda 1320" and it has the option for a test pipe or not for a little extra dough. I bought the traction bar from Sparktecmotorsports.com. They had the best price on it when I got it about 3 weeks ago for $248. The header is usually $265ish. Test pipe is about $30-50. Mine wasn't from them as I bought it about 2 years ago off of ebay but had never purchased a header until recently.
Jon have you heard of 2007 Mini Cooper rotors and 95 Acura legend dual piston caliper working on a 96-00 civic ex
Something like that, I'm not too sure of the exact setup though. I know of the 11" mini rotors with an ITR caliper on DA knuckles on an EF.
i got a b20b with gsr trans and injen intake stock header and no cats if i ordered these would these bolt right up? or would i need test pipe
I never weled my test pipe lol oh well😂
Miton Films the clamps from autozone works great
You should be ok, I've just seen some come apart before and it can be a pita.
Milton 😁
How much heavier are tri y and what do you like ?
Do you think it'd be worth putting a 1320 header on a stock b20 in a 2000 crv? And if I did..would I have to run 2.5 inch all the way back and replace my stock muffler?
Only if you plan on running a larger exhaust. It might give you a couple extra HP.
For headers like this, do I need to get a heat shield? To keep temps down, protect hood paint and to keep radiator cooler?
It can definitely help! I haven't had any issues and I use this in 100 degree weather. It's your choice!
Hey Jon, have you thought about putting the innovative torque mount?
dolla san I really haven't. I already have the innovative motor mounts. I don't think it'll make a noticeable difference.
Cool 1320 ima get for my car then sounds deap not annoying
You'll really like it!
@@GarageBuiltHondas ima soo get them thanks iwas just youtubing and i saw your motor and boom isaid screw it and saw those headers and sounds dope.
Looks and sounds good! Hows the ground clearance of that header? I have the s2 alpha and it hangs super low on my hatch.
Better than the S2. I have the alpha on my Si and the collector doesn't tuck up as nicely. Think I'm going to take it to a muffler shop and have them cut/adjust it.
Garage Built Hondas great suggestion I'm going to look into that
It does not have to be fast...go for quick+reliability. I got an old 4g93 na, same period as the b16. Its only 140whp on a 990kg body, but its reliable and fun...l do have the problem about the speeding tickets😁
Lol, a heavy foot is a different story altogether!
Did you modify a b16 intake to fit? It looks kinda type r ish. I'm only asking because I'm b awd swapping my rt4wd wagon and I'm on the fence between modifying to fit a b16 manifold or settling for an ls manifold
No. This manifold is made for the b18a/b and the b20.
sounds dope man .. vtec head next?
Brakes, then maybe...cams?!
Garage Built Hondas all gas no brakes! haha
Just so it looks a little cleaner, I would add a velocity stack to that hole. It won't be very functional, but it'll look a bit better.
+Dale Engles sticking on the outside of the headlight, in the front?
Exactly, google this: Spectre 9602. I think I put this on the wrong video by accident. Sorry about that.
+Dale Engles lol, it's ok! That's pretty nice too.
It sounds like the Hondas from the first fast and furious that chase down semi trucks to Rob them. Lol
I wish, I'd be able to afford all kinds of crap with those stolen camcorders and VCRs! 😁
excelent i want to put mi civic like yours
+Chris Solares awesome, please do! Would love to see and hear it!
Hey what's going on John. I've been debating on getting the innovative bar for awhile but wasn't sure if the ground clearance is worse or better than the stock crossmember. What are your thoughts!?
Yes, clearance is better than stock. You can see it in the video!
John would you have a DIY Integra rear disc conversion for the EF hatchbacks ??!!
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what catback are you running? it sounds beautiful
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Would traction rods correct all this torque steer I’m getting on a fwd car?
That along with solid engine mounts will definitely help.
Hey Jon, does this traction bar allow for use of the front mount on a D series?
+Jesus Martinez It can. You just have to buy the separate mount bracket.
Hey awesome video. Can I ask you a question. I did a b16 swap into an ek and I put a header on and left my catalytic and resonator on. a day after my check engine came giving me a code for the cat. So I went to a muffler shop to ask about it and they told me that because I'm running headers the extra heat burned it up. Is this actually possible? And if it is would a high flow cat last longer?
That doesn't sound right at all. Extra heat? I would look into that info first, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt before saying its BS. A high flow cat won't give any extra longevity, better flow and a little more power, yes, but not last any longer. Look into the header creating more heat. Let me know what you find, I'm interested in knowing if its a myth of true.
Garage Built Hondas yeah I couldn't find anything about it... I guess I just need to replace it
You got a part number for this? I’ve got a Megan racing header and it’s absolute garbage and scrapes on everything on stock height. I’ve heard great things about 1320 and it looks like this header would fit perfect on my 95 civic
I dont, just look up 1320 Toda Style B Series Header. I haven't seen anything bad about the 1320 products at all.
I did all your vids don’t wrong
Was wondering what gauge wire u use to extend the o2 sensor?
16 or 18 works
Was the trackion bar worth it? I was thinking of just getting the poly bushing for my oem one.
If it's just a daily, the oem one is fine, especially with upgraded radius rod bushings.
How is clearance to the ground with these headers? I got the Megan racing 4-1 and they’re 1 inch off the ground. The car is lowered but the one I had before had enough clearance
Watch the video. I show the clearance.
Would it be good to run the 1320 toda header on my full bolt on integra ls B18b1 with a 2.25inch exhaust and cat or would I have to upgrade those two to a 2.5 with the header
The 2.25 will be sufficient for sure!
@@GarageBuiltHondas thanks man I’m go with that header the quality looks good and I like the 4-2-1 style
My Innovative crossmember scrapes Everywhere and hangs so low. I'm going to have to raise my car some just so I don't scrape around town. I have the 91 Si CRX.
Tru Shine I haven't scraped yet, I'm not super low though and run 205/50 tires so it has ok clearance.
Garage Built Hondas yeah, I've finally figured out that I have the IM "crossmember" and it sets about 2" lower than the IM "traction bar" I'm chunking the crossmember everywhere 😫 I need to get this part number and swap them out
What 1320 headers did you get. I want to get some for the B20. But I want to make sure the runners match the port on the head. I’ve herd like gsr or b16 headers won’t fit due to the ports being little bigger. 1320 has one that says for CRV. I’m sure those will match the ports but not sure it will fit ok in my 91 EF Si
All B series are the same. They sometimes don't match up to custom exhaust setups though. *I got the Toda style 1320 headers that are a one piece.*
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Hey man what's up!!! I'm thinking of getting these headers for my b16! how well does it bolt up to a 2.25 inch exhaust system?
+Flamma Yo Flamma! It really depends on your cat or test pipe. You'll need it to have the 2.5" flange on there. Other than that you'll be good to go!
Question! I have a b20b swapped into my 2000 Integra ls. I want to follow in your footsteps as to what bolt on parts to get. So if you could help me understand what will directly bolt on to this motor that would be nice. Also, I have already put together a list of things I'll be purchasing, but I want to be sure the parts will work seamlessly. And I also plan on staying non vtec, as well as boost in the future making seeing 250-300hp. Thanks!
You can buy any parts that are made specifically for your car as that engine uses those exact same parts as long as you don't have the p8r b20.
@@GarageBuiltHondas how can I tell if I have the p8r head on my b20? On the block it says B20B(no numbers after the the "b".) Is that enough to say whether it does or doesn't?
Look at the head stamping right above the exhaust manifold.
@@GarageBuiltHondas Awesome! Thanks for the reply!
Hey I have a b20b swap in a ef sedan but I'm using the stock map sensor and I'm getting a code 3 on ecu I was wondering what map are you using?
+Nicholas Padilla I was using the firewall mounted map and never had an issue. I'm now using a throttle body mounted map since I'm using the Skunk2 alpha throttle body and still no issues.
What muffler you use it sir.? Sound good
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hey I got the coolant temp CEL to shut off on the crx. thank you for the tips. it wound up being that I had a faulty sensor from auto zone. I am wondering about your innovative traction bar because I recently put mine on and it clicks sometimes when I am pulling off from a dead stop. I checked it and the 17' that hold the radius rods to the LCA' were loosening up. Did you have that same issue with yours? thanks.
Yes they did after 2 track events. After I swapped all my parts to the new shell I tightened them down well but will check them again soon. If they keep backing out I'm going to use some thread locker. That'll fix the issue.
Yeah, thats what I was thinking to do. Thanks.