VG Myths - Can You Beat Jak II Without Guns?
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- Tonight on VG Myths: a gunless challenge of Jak 2 for the Playstation 2, Naughty Dog's dark and gritty sequel to Jak and Daxter.
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Just gonna go ahead and post a comment that my Windows security and Avast security found a "Card Stealer" script on Ironside computer's website.
huh? :o
Well, that's not good
What does that mean
@@WrongJoke06 A URL script that saves your card info on an auto-complete form that lets them insert it into websites and use your card. Pretty self-explanatory
More info, shortened because youtube didn't like the original:
After running it through a scanner, it appears to have a shoplift malware imbedded in at least 6 different places on there. It also probably came from the system used for the online shopping forms and payment, which has been vulnerable in the past as well as mass-hacked, with a recent one not too long ago.
What this can do (as an example) is take any info you put into the payment forms and give it to the hacker or a third-party for them to do whatever they desire with, such as using your card for some reason or another.
ISC should probably get that fixed.
You should worry about the fan fiction. You should fear it. Also, you should like the video.
ironside computers
LOL Me to
Don’t reject the fanfiction, embrace it
@@Xerilos Never heard of them
@@IronsideComputers hmm
"Be sure to skip the cutscene though, otherwise Jak will fire a really, really big gun". Never even thought of that haha, awesome video! Glad to have you part of Jak Month!
Everyone knows if you don't watch a cutscene then it didn't happen
That cutscene was recently found to be entirely slipable lol
Good old fashioned Gamechamp Semantics.
Same joke was made in the ratchet and clank:going commando run
BFG
"Yo, Jak, you should join our board trick competition!"
"Ok, can I go first?"
"Sure, let's see it!"
*Jak then did flippy tricks to Mars*
Flippy tricks to Mars? He flips to himself in the past?
@@TheBlackAntagonist yeah, and it only took him 30 seconds
Alternate title: Completing Jak II completely out of order and only doing a fraction of the missions because we don't feel like pressing the fire button today
The perfect amount of sass for a title
"Sick flippy tricks are the key to immortality."
Tony Hawk with a tear in his eye "Nice."
Gamechamp is easily one of the funniest youtubers simply because she explains ludicrous techniques as if they were normal, every day instructions for like, fixing a broken stove or something. The line "we'll need to get reality to start existing again" is a perfect example of this.
it's so endearing~
video essayists be like
The Leslie Nielsen approach. Works like a charm.
It's like "How it's made" with a bunch of sick flippy tricks.
Wait!? Gamechamps is trans!? Eeeeeee!
Vg myths is the channel that frequently goes out of its way to break physics for challenges and makes it entertaining at the same time.
This one is no different.
Appreciate that you took the time to heavily research this and show off the hardest challenge in an already brutal game. If you think this is hard, the speedrun is a million times worse. Thank you for the credit as well!
2:23 naughty dog didn't facture in massive sequence breaks. The game gives you all the items you should have thanks to the mission replay feature.
If this didn't work than you might walk into final mission without any upgrade to your character and that would be unfair.
Yeah, I actually realized it was likely a side-effect of how they implemented Level Select while liberally using Level Select to record footage during editing.
They didn't factor* in
Facture lol
I think in a weird way you're saying the same thing. Developers must consider sequence breaks in their games. Some developers may even include alternative cutscenes/interactions. So in this case, they considered what would be necessary at each point of the game
I'll be the technical speedrun nerd and elaborate on a few things and post some fun facts:
At 1:28 Mar's tomb skip is performed, which is one of the oldest major skips in the entire Jak series, discovered around 2008. This act of "skipping into a later mission" and then the game just giving you everything is something we've been looking for for a later mission in the game for YEARS. The jak 2 speedrun is 54 minutes for an any% run, but could go down by as much as 40 minutes if we could skip into a later mission into the game. It's quite convenient the game just gives you everything though, it works in Jak 3, where multiple skips into later missions have been found.
At 9:50 before the hover glitch was discovered in late 2014, we actually just reached the hut with something called an "extended frontflip" which is just the act of cancelling a jetboard trick with a frontflip for a little extra height. You can barely make it to the hut that way.
At 10:25 the invulnerability glitch is pretty straight forward. You pulled away the jetboard on the exact frame as Jak was dying, so Jak is dead but you can still move around, which means he doesn't take any damage.
Great video though :) feel free to reach out if you have a future challenge in mind for Jak 3.
I swear I've accidentally done the hover glitch before 2014 but never bothered to exploit it. Oh well lol
Everything in the video you said is spot on! There are some minor nuances for alternative routes and even harder strategies but that’s not too important to showcase. If anyone does want to try this challenge themselves or have any more detailed questions, please send a reply since I made a lot of the current routing and have a great deal of knowledge on this category
Nice! How many gunshots do you absolutely need to make if you're attempting this run glitchless?
@@dinoseen3226 Probably more than 0
@@dinoseen3226 more then zero
What's also really hard is playing through every level in the game completely melee-only (except when you have to fire a gun just to progress, like when you get the Scatter Gun, or the 40 guards at drill platform mission). If you use Hero Mode and have unlimited Dark Jak though, you can get through boss fights easier.
@@dinoseen3226 26? Idk but it's better than "more than 0."
I love the little touch of adding the Jak 2 mission failed piano sting over your "mission failed" voiceover
I did NOT notice that the first time. Mainly because I’ve never played the game, and I also just… didn’t hear it. Nice call~
Now let's cheat!
Oh don't fret, I am *incredibly* worried about that Luigi fan fiction.
coward
If by "worried" you mean "aroused", same
Challenge runners: "Let's do this challenge where we don't use this feature at all."
Game: "You have to use it in this part of the game and you literally can't progress if you don't."
Challenge runners (cracks knuckles): "Guess we're doing this the hard way"
Flippy tricks are the key to immortality?
I guess that explains how you’re able to survive those bone crunching falls in Tony Hawk Proskater games
I feel like this is going to be a minimum challenge. I could be wrong tho.
Ah, it appears we are just skipping most of the game anyway.
yeah its a minimum challenge
minimum amount of the game actually played challenge
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It's the long awaited sequel
This time featuring *shadow gamechamp who uses guns instead of a script*
I am consistently impressed by your ability to find challenges that fundamentally change everything about the game you're playing.
She's cool like that.
I love that a quarter of this video is the Patreon names, but I hope that one day, the Patreon list is longer than the actual challenge run.
That would be hilarious
10 second long video
10 minute long patreon list
@@cameronballz6154 Maybe she'll do that for April Fools next year.
Video: Can You Beat Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker without jumping?
"...Yes. Special thanks to all patreon backers, including All The Bugs Yugi Has Killed..."
I installed something called sponsership block that skips all of that. a few years ago i didnt mind but now we have to deal with 2 sometimes 3 unskipable adds and sponserships in the videos themselves that take up a quarter of the video i just cant be bothered even having to manuly skip through all of that. i get we need to support decent creators but its kinda got beyond just letting a single ad play.
@@shawbag11 I don't think this is relevant to Patreon shout-outs.
How about "Can you beat Carrion without killing?"/"How many deaths required to beat Carrion?"
This would be super hard, I love it!
I'd like to see that!
its not possible to beat carrion without killing, unfortunately. You stuck at botanical Gardens
@@catwithoutaname4964 Minimum run, then.
it might be possible to get past the botanical garden you just have to eat the bodies of people you didn't kill
i love how you describe the games weird coding quirks as like a little man who lives in the disc half-paying attention to what you're doing like "yeah she probably did that right"
@@SirBlackReeds literally what is your problem
@@SirBlackReeds It's sweet you're so concerned for her well-being, lol /s. I'd absolutely love to see your sources, since it's been borne out that respecting people's gender identities has wholly positive effects... Oh, sorry, you probably "don't trust" millions of people with PhDs, like your buddies. Your problem then, mate.
It's always great to see you do PS2 platformers given they do not get the love they deserve. Jak II is such a hard game to see it beaten without gun, even with a high level of shennanigans, is genuinely impressive. You might fool me into think you have gotten better at video games.
“Now this is going to be an extremely technical trick, so get out a notepad and pay very close attention. Step 1, walk into the wall”. That was super great
The Jak trilogy is such a huge part of my childhood, but I've never beat any of them. Always played up to one really hard sections than I would start all over
i beat 3 a bunch of times before ever beating 2. jak 2 is just insanely brutal compared to 3 for some reason especially if you spam the reflecty bullet rifle in jak 3 then it becomes too easy
a gun that can clear out entire rooms without you ever even having to look at the enemy is too strong who knew lmao
and the fact that you get so little health and cannot heal on demand in 2 like you can in 3 makes it a very different game
@@perkypears Jak 2 was really hard because of the checkpoints, or lack thereof. And the inability to heal.
that fucking inverted reverse whack-a-mole bullshit...
@@cobrabear6497 oh god you mentioning that actually does make me remember that sewer escort mission he mentioned in the video
if you died at any point in the entire thing (or let an escort die) you started over from the very beginning and it's a long mission
that was brutal as a kid
@@perkypears the worst mission was the water slum mission. That made me quit the game as a kid and restart my file, so i'd have dark jak saved up for that job and bomb the robot guard in the water. and of course the drill platform ship mission on hero mode, is almost impossible without insanely good RNG
Jak 3 video: 45 min long
Gamechamp: *the video finishes in 15 min*
Gamechamp: Special thanks to all patreon backers, including...
To the people who keep requesting Rockman 4 without getting hit: Ring Man is the cause of my pain and suffering
RoahmMythril voice: "Revenge, revenge!"
What boss order makes it possible? I assume Rush Jet shenanigans are to be had.
@@becomingsentient1208 Rush Jet has been nerfed hard and is mostly useless. As for boss order: Toad Man is first since he has a cheese filled weapon, Dive Man is second because he's an easy damageless boss , Bright Man, Pharoh Man, Ring Man can literally decide you lose so Pharoh Shot is absolutely 100% required, Dust Man, Skull Man, and Drill Man can be fought as soon as you have Dive Missiles.
@@bluefishinthecut Bright Man's AI can be manipulated, since he'll only activate his Flash Stopper when his health hits certain levels (iirc his HP has to be 16, 8 or 4 for him to use Flash Stopper). The fight is still irritating and can catch you off-guard, but knowing this trick can save you the pain of facing Flash Stopper.
As for Ring Man... I dunno. I think his boss fight is really easy. It's formulaic and patterned in a straight-forward manner. You jump his Ring Boomerang, jump back over, shoot him, then jump over him as he walks to the other side, rinse and repeat. It's his stage that loves to fuck you over, but using the weapons can help alleviate the stress.
And as for Pharoah Man, his fight is pretty rough damageless, but if you have the Flash Stopper and are fast on the draw, you can incapacitate him swiftly.
All the other bosses can be handled with ease.
@@Ocsttiac I found Pharoh Man's battle quite easy cause a full meter of Flash Stopper can get him close enough to zero to finish him off. Ring Man however can sometimes get too close while you're jumping or corner you so you don't have time to jump over his rings. His rings come back too quickly to even think which made him the hardest when I attempted this. And you fight him twice.
Also loved the “Mission failed, now let’s cheat harder”. This was a great video and I loved it
When I was little, I would play on my brother's completed save file for every game, so I thought wrecking havoc in the hub and surviving the cops is how you played.
Grand Theft Daxto
"If it goes bang bang, we're not allowed to bang bang" -GC3K, 2021
The Luigi fanfiction is coming...
What Luigi fanfiction?
@@thelastprotectorofoverain1035 Literally the first ten seconds lmao
@@Lurponk oh. I just saw that..
man I love it when just a small section of killing electric spiders involves dissolving and re forming reality
I love how she thinks we cares that there's no ideas left like we won't watch every video anyways.
She?
@@Inf3rnoDrag0n she and or they is trans
(I said it now no one else needs to tell them, it's really annoying having 5 people say the exact same thing)
@@callumfootitt5366 Thank you for this. Some people still aren't fully aware of the terms because they might be new, but thank you for being a Chad about it. :)
gamechamp uploads are gamechamp uploads
I don't care about new ideas, I just want the next episode of yugioh dub changes.
In this video, a wonderful lady teaches us that my favorite childhood game is held together with the glue from a single purple glue stick
I’d love to see a Jak game pacifist run. Especially one of the future games with all of the civilian lose buttons walking around
@@SirBlackReeds There’s that but maybe I should have specified the request to be maximum percent haha. I think the real fun of the challenge would be the races through town and missions like that
idk if that's possible. You have to kill Gol and Maia and the lurker at the end of Mountain Pass nomatter what in Jak 1, you have to kill Kor, the Metal Heads in the escort mission, and Krew nomatter what in Jak 2, and you need to kill all of Errol's minions during the final boss and Errol himself in Jak 3 nomatter what. These are all based on Jak speedruns, btw.
"Super duper fancy walk of the ledge super uppercut super duper trick" is exactly how I understood these moves as a kid.
The physics breaking in this episode is so strong that I genuinely had to watch this multiple times to understand anything that even happened
Me: sees "Can you beat Jak II"
No. No I cannot.
I'm 6 minutes in but this is one of the greatest in the series. All of the sequence breaking and then going back is just wonderful and what I enjoy this series for/
Finally. Jak II as it was meant to be played.
The fact that your endcard of patreon backers is like 10 minutes long and a cesspit of chaos and wholesome encouragement never ceases to entertain me, I watch the whole thing every time
Also. The ammo is made from Eco, plus the orbs have become quite rare. It is my belief the guns are actually made from the Precursor orbs
Lol I'm pretty sure this is the most challenging, and convoluted challenge run I've ever seen. Good job on pulling off all the tricks.
*about to go to sleep after getting home from work*
*Gamechamp uploads, immediately taps video without a second thought*
I appreciate this one a lot, this series of games was part of my childhood, nice run Gamechamp
Beat dark souls without turning the console on.
"Now this seems impossible, but thanks to a trick used by speedrunners...
...all we have to do is buy the game on Steam because according to the all-knowing PC master race, a desktop is legally not a console."
@@spectrasoulfaire215 there really is a loophole for everything.
@@Faux_Sunlight yeah but now you have dark souls on pc
Gonna have to do some Quantum shxt.
This whole time when she wasn't streaming, I assumed she was just resting after the last video. Turns out she was actually beating the laws of physics to death with a hoverboard.
What else is new?
the best part about this is that the detour glitches to get to the mountains for extra metal head gems is actually unnecessary.
When you get to the first gun course and it tells you to "fire the scatter gun", you can pull the trigger and immediately punch to interrupt the shooting animation. No bullet gets fired, and your ammo count doesn't drop, but the game registers that you pulled the trigger and lets you continue with the training course.
The training course itself is entirely possible without using the scatter gun, and the next mission has plenty of metal heads to get your final count.
That being said, the method VG used is far more entertaining to watch lol
7 months late, so actually when the jak community was helping me make this category possible, focus was more so on "how do we make this possible?" and once we found a solution that also happened to be fast and easy we stuck with it. Its still the fastest known route for skullgems for gunless. Sure it was a "challenge run" but it turned into a mix of both speed and a challenge run. :p
@@Raosal1 Thats a fair point, At the time of this comment I hadnt taken into account that while it may be easier to melee past the gun course and do the following mission, its quicker to fly to the mountain than it is to fly to the next sequential mission. The only distinction I would make is the difference in difficulty. I attempted the glitch for a few hours after watching this video and sadly its outside my skillset lol. made it around the load barrier once, over about 4-5 hours but failed the dismount from the zoomer. But getting the gun shot glitch is something i did in like 5 minutes of trying it. I wanted to see how many missions were beatable without guns lol. So for the time being if I ever do my own runs ill have to take the slower more accessible route lol
Part of me still wonders if we will ever have a day when an "all missions" gunless route becomes possible. from my own tests its only about 15 missions that "seem" impossible atm, but im no glitch hunter, so my word means nothing lol
@@22pepperjack I think thats awesome you gave it a shot. All missions gunless would be interesting, scrolling through the comments on this video its a pretty common thing mentioned and honestly I don't know.
First mission that pops into my head early game is "destroy eggs at drill platform" you have to use a turret gun to destroy the eggs. Dark bomb doesn't work and neither the square X uppercut spin. Even if you somehow make it to the end gate the mission isn't counted as completed game doesn't let you leave, but who knows maybe there's a way.
@@Raosal1 yeah, any mission with the gun turrets seems auto locked. The only thing that potentially comes to mind for the drill platform eggs is maybe a deload similar to the training area points at the start of Jak 3. I don’t have the skills to perform the infinite hover (nor do I remember if you have the board at that point) but maybe? Idk lol. the rail sections with the gun ship later on I think are similarly locked by inactive gates. I need to go back through at some point and get a list of the levels that likely can’t be done yet. Could be interesting to work on those levels and maybe solve it lol but only time will tell if it ever becomes a thing.
Sick floppy tricks are the secret to immortality, look at Tony Hawk he’s been through madness and is still going
It's always a good day when a new VG Myths episode is up
I love how almost the first half of the video was entirely dedicated to skipping the gun tutorial.
Its hilarious. About 2 months ago I was playing this game and said to myself "it'd be cool if Gamechamp did a challenge for this game. You can't do orbless though so what would she do? Gunless maybe? but that sounds kinda hard if only for the Tomb boss fight." I uh didn't realize I wished this into existence.
now to the question everyone has on their mind: has the slowest chess game been actually going anywhere?
Yes, they're starting to go towards midgame
Oh hey, this was posted more or less right as I'm getting deep into the series again. Really excited to watch!
This is already one of my favorite episodes, all the fakeout “mission fail” moments and insane flippy tricks along with Jak 2 apparently being the most broken game I’ve ever seen in my life was a lot of fun to watch
I don't know what will come next but I fear it might blow my mind again. Well done Gamechamp. You never cease to amaze me
That was way more technical (and still quite interesting) than I had first anticipated. Though in case anyone good at video games decides to attempt a glitchless "least amount of gunshots" run, good luck recovering the seal piece from the water slums.
I don't fire a single shot in that mission. You can jetboard through the entire thing if you're really, really precise.
@@sutfolsemaj I named that mission because it is one of the most memorable and frustrating ones, but yeah, it's not the hardest one to do without guns :)
You also can Dark Bomb the water, which kills the robot and jet board through the water all the way over. Easiest way to beat it imo
@@Jackdude345 Yeah, but that's the kind of hack for people who are bad at videogames. Totally respectable people, but that just wasn't my premise :P
@@DominoPivot awwww I just got baited haha totally respectable! Honestly I don’t even remember the last time Ive done the mission, I only ever do the speedrun route for fun now
I came to Gamechamp's channel (a while ago now) for the game challenges, I stayed because of her mad skills. And her voice and sense of humor which are also top notch.
And I really want to read that fanfiction now should I be worried
We're now to the point with patreon that I was convinced this video's ending was a fakeout due to how much time was left afterwards...
if your looking for ideas, 'destroy all humans' is a game series that exists. the challenge surely writes itself.
Ah I see, the aim is to specifically kill every human you come across.
(That could actually be quite hard.)
Game: "Okay, it's time for a gun tutorial. Press R1 to shoot, can you do that?"
Gamechamp: "Oh well! Never mind that! Now I have a *reason* to go out of bounds! dt/dx(a-b)^2 sqrt(t+x)! That's the scientific formula opening a path through the fourth dimension! Now I just walk through the walls!"
your humor throughout is hilarious, and really shows you understand the game very well
10:50
so, i guess because you went through a death barrier, but got hit with the fall damage at the same time, you died and canceled the death animation instantly so, technically you're a zombie now, and that's why you can't get hit by bullets.
edit: after watching the rest of the video, i'm 100% sure, fall damage takes priority over death, so you literally die but the fall is so strong it makes you invulnerable
Haven't seen much of Jak outside of what she has uploaded.
But can we take a moment to appreciate the animations in this game. The movement is so stretchy and bouncy. I Love it
The Jak games have some of the best-feeling movement in game history. :>
I would say that this game is held together with duct tape, but it appears to be barely held together at all.
oh my god this one is even more broken than usual
The jokes in this video are gold 10/10 would watch again
I'd love to see Jak 3 next. Not because speedrunners have done it, but because they haven't! Also the Sly 1 coinless video needs a Part 2 as the route has changed drastically, plus I'm pretty sure there's a working 100% Coinless now.
"Sick flippy tricks are the key to immortality"
My favourite quote.
I love Gamechamp videos. The dead rising, rockman, and the pokemon videos are my personal favorites
That was awesome! :) I loved breaking jak 2 when I was younger.
Since you mentioned Jak 3, not sure if you will do anything with it, but if you do..
When you "broke reality" that can also be done in Jak 3 relatively easily, but it happens later in haven city.
If you go to the new district, and then go down the elevator to the sewers, and then go right back up, and go to the right I believe it was and hang the corner, the loading just breaks allowing you to use a zoomer to fly into infinity. Not sure if it can be used for anything, but I figured I'd mention it.
This classic game breaks absolutely beautifully lol, makes me kinda wish I still had my old PS2 and copy to go back and mess around in it. Was a great part of my childhood, very nostalgic watching the vague suggestion of physics that is the vehicle system in Jak II.
Great video and I love the Jak Trilogy and your channel this came out of no where for me, this did make me day better thank you.
I’ve never tried to do any glitches before. Seeing these done is so jaw dropping. I love these videos!
Every time she says CHASM I die inside
Lova ya gamechamp!
Same.
The centipede chase was such a nice throwback to Crash Bandicoot.
"We'll have to get reality to exist again" that's deep bro
"Can you beat Jak II with no guns?"
The answer: "Well, no. Definitely not. Absolutely under no circumstances. But actually yes."
Fan: can you beat all levels of this without a gun?
Gamechamp skipping 2 thirds of the game: what?
Haven't even watched the video yet but I already know the hell you're going to go through with later missions 😭
Great work Gamechamp! Happy JakMonth
"Mission Failed! Now lets cheat harder"
That should be your chanel motto
I have no idea what single soul on this earth would worry about Luigi Fanfiction
You know, Gamechamp, for someone who claims they're bad at video games you sure have completed an insane amount of game challenges.
Why I'd go so far as to say you're GOOD at video games.
Whoa there, don't get ahead of yourself.
They're MAYBE OKAYISH at video game
I’m revisiting the Jak & Daxter series on my PS5, I had no idea there was so many hacks and work around in Jak II lol. This is super impressive!! Well done and thanks for sharing.
JAK II!? WOW, YOU'RE TACKLING MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD!!!!
That being said, this is an absolutely wonderful video and you did your very best on this! I remember your Darkest Faerie video as well, so this is a very nice treat! :)
Man, I've been thinking if this is possible in this game and the sequel. I've been trying to see if we can beat Jak X combat racing without using eco weapons. If I make progress I'll let you know gamechamp!
I don't think you can get past the tutorial in Jak X. I recall one of the sections being a race where you have to lay a bunch of landmines to not get blown up by a stream of missiles. I'm pretty sure there are too many missiles to tank, and I don't think there's enough healing to survive even if you had turbo from start to finish
I was looking forward to this, especially for the sewer level
4:54 You had me so hyped to see an incredible speedrun trick too! 🤣🤣🤣
Yo, you are such an awesome content creator! You make me laugh; i’m sure you hear this a ton, but all of your hard work towards sticking to the absolutely bonkers challenges you set out for yourself is really amazing and i’m always left in awe
Me: "Well, I know you can do the gun course with just melee attacks, so maybe she'll only count shooting at people or will discount the tutorial shot and then try to do the rest of the game without shooting somehow."
Me after watching the video: "👁️👄👁️"
Uploaded on Jak and Daxter The Precursor Legacy's 20th anniversary ❤
Nice.
I used the Tomb of Mar glitch to help me when I ran into a issue that prevented me from finishing the game, and I needed to start a new game. So thanks you for helping me skip hours of gameplay that I’ve already done (sort of).
Everyday you learn more and more... about jak 2 since I can't stop watching these videos.
I love Gamechamp's scripts, so many of her lines are just 🤚👌
Jump to the bottom of the bottomless pit
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
So glad to see you doing more videos again!
Players: Can you...
Gamechamp3000: (interrupts) Yes.
I was honestly expecting a run through all the game's missions without guns like in Ratchet Gladiator, but this'll have to suffice.
I remember how hard this game is WITH guns.
I thought it was hard when I was a kid but I played it again and it’s still hard
You have the funniest sense of humor and I love it.