i agree with you completely, it was BMW that introduced the first engine management system in F1. There are many innovations from F1 that carried over to street cars. Some manufacturers like to be in series where the race cars look somewhat like the cars they sell.
Motorsports has always been an excellent R&D program by car manufacturers. As we all know, cars are made up of several components. Just because an F1 car does not resemble a daily road car does not mean this type of racing is pointless. An F1 car still runs on an engine, still uses power steering and still uses brakes similar to that of a streetcar. F1 is still the top dog in terms of racing. And this year, Mercedes power seems poised to do very well.
i also follow F1 as you do, so you know how high the budgets are. My point about the size of BMW is as compared to corporations like G.M. V.W Audi , Daimler Benz, Fiat. BMW's focus has always been towards sedan type racing.When was the last time you saw an open wheel car going down the street? BMW has limited racing budget and this their focus is towards DTM, they'll get beat by Audi and Mercedes initially but eventually they'll win. Many have tried F1 and failed.
Also, motor racing isn't just a type of engineering test for manufacturers. Its a form of advertising as well. F1 has a very large audience compared to the WTCC. In fact, the DTM is waayy more popular than the WTCC. Mercedes is in the top series because of that. Its both data-gathering and marketing in one mold.
@wawiebeastman I agree that BMW doesn't participate in some top series (F1...) but DTM is not touring car racing, its basically prototype racing, when has the 4 liter v8 in the merc dtm car ever reached production level (c63 uses a 6.2 liter), I believe the reason why BMW participates in none "top rate" series is so that they can better develop their road cars (ALMS and soon LMS aswell= M3, WTCC and S2000 touring series = e90 3 series), which are class leaders for handling
I follow the top tier motorsports series like Formula 1 and the WRC. ALMS,Grand-Am or GT2/GT3 races are waaayyy beneath F1. And BMW isn't as small as you think. Citroen is smaller yet they dominate WRC. BMW used to be in F1 but pulled out coz the money spent did not deliver the results they wanted.
Yes 2nd rate. WTCC/ETCC are second rate series. The DTM is universally considered the top touring car series in the world. The DTM use V8 engines while the WTCC use 2.0 liter 4 bangers. Big difference. First rate series are for open wheel racing -- Formula One (F1) , for rallying -- WRC , for endurance sportscars (24 Hours Le Mans) and the FIA-GT. BMW participates in the GT2/GT3 category. Not the top rate class as you can see.
So are you saying that F1,WRC or DTM racing data does not in any way contribute to the advancement of the road car? If that truly is BMW's belief, why did they participate in the first place? YES THEY DID. They used to be in the DTM but were thrashed by Audi and Mercedes. They were in FIA-GT with McLaren but again were mangled by Mercedes. Then recently they just pulled out of F1 after being lapped by Mercedes and Ferrari. If they were a winning outfit, would they have pulled out? Excuses.
But what has BMW done in the motor racing world lately? They got beat up by Mercedes in Formula 1 so they pulled out then they get their nuts crushed by SEAT in the WTCC so they pulled out yet again and they always have their ass handed to them by Corvette at Le Mans so they'll probably pull out in the near future. At least they thought of re-joining the DTM so at least losing to Mercedes or Audi is less embarassing than to Chevys or SEATS don't you agree?
IMSA,Euro Touring Car,American Le Mans series -- these are 2nd rate racing series that BMW is supposed to dominate. During the Turbo era of F1, BMW only one title and was even in F1 earlier than Porsche who won with McLaren from 1984-1986 before shifting to Honda in 1988. Don't brag too much about BMW racing success coz its nowhere near Audi and especially Mercedes-Benz racing success.
i see you dont follow motorsports close enough to see, i'll start with alms 2010 team champions RLL. grand am ganassi racing dp champs m5 engine,8 victories. koni challenge m3 total domination drivers championship manufacturer championship. 2011 winner 24hrs daytona and dp champs, ctscc champs m3. Alms sebring m3 winner, and champs. 2012 sebring winner m3. BMW is a small co. they don't have the money G.M , Mercedes, Audi VW have.
@wawiebeastman you cant argue with BM fans, its like them bragging about winning the 24 hrs at the ring, only because the porche and audi fell out truth is, bm isnt as good as they claim to be, but bm fans think they are ill take a merc, audi, porche over a bm anyday
What a load of crap!! BMW can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC 4 banger series and you claim its the definition of sportscars??? Research first before you post. When Mercedes and BMW race each other in any platform (F1,FIA-GT,DTM,etc.) you lose. Compare the racing success of both companies and you'll discover how lowly BMW is. Heck Audi/VW has a better record btw. No lying. Just facts.
i agree with you completely, it was BMW that introduced the first engine management system in F1. There are many innovations from F1 that carried over to street cars. Some manufacturers like to be in series where the race cars look somewhat like the cars they sell.
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Motorsports has always been an excellent R&D program by car manufacturers. As we all know, cars are made up of several components. Just because an F1 car does not resemble a daily road car does not mean this type of racing is pointless. An F1 car still runs on an engine, still uses power steering and still uses brakes similar to that of a streetcar. F1 is still the top dog in terms of racing. And this year, Mercedes power seems poised to do very well.
i also follow F1 as you do, so you know how high the budgets are. My point about the size of BMW is as compared to corporations like G.M. V.W Audi , Daimler Benz, Fiat. BMW's focus has always been towards sedan type racing.When was the last time you saw an open wheel car going down the street? BMW has limited racing budget and this their focus is towards DTM, they'll get beat by Audi and Mercedes initially but eventually they'll win. Many have tried F1 and failed.
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Also, motor racing isn't just a type of engineering test for manufacturers. Its a form of advertising as well. F1 has a very large audience compared to the WTCC. In fact, the DTM is waayy more popular than the WTCC. Mercedes is in the top series because of that. Its both data-gathering and marketing in one mold.
@wawiebeastman I agree that BMW doesn't participate in some top series (F1...) but DTM is not touring car racing, its basically prototype racing, when has the 4 liter v8 in the merc dtm car ever reached production level (c63 uses a 6.2 liter), I believe the reason why BMW participates in none "top rate" series is so that they can better develop their road cars (ALMS and soon LMS aswell= M3, WTCC and S2000 touring series = e90 3 series), which are class leaders for handling
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I follow the top tier motorsports series like Formula 1 and the WRC. ALMS,Grand-Am or GT2/GT3 races are waaayyy beneath F1. And BMW isn't as small as you think. Citroen is smaller yet they dominate WRC. BMW used to be in F1 but pulled out coz the money spent did not deliver the results they wanted.
Yes 2nd rate. WTCC/ETCC are second rate series. The DTM is universally considered the top touring car series in the world. The DTM use V8 engines while the WTCC use 2.0 liter 4 bangers. Big difference. First rate series are for open wheel racing -- Formula One (F1) , for rallying -- WRC , for endurance sportscars (24 Hours Le Mans) and the FIA-GT.
BMW participates in the GT2/GT3 category. Not the top rate class as you can see.
@kregzdeM3 that doesnt mean AMGs are stupid, just respect other people preferences.
@DRAGONLEE08 that 1 dislike acidentally click thumbs down cause he was thinking about bmw
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So are you saying that F1,WRC or DTM racing data does not in any way contribute to the advancement of the road car? If that truly is BMW's belief, why did they participate in the first place? YES THEY DID. They used to be in the DTM but were thrashed by Audi and Mercedes. They were in FIA-GT with McLaren but again were mangled by Mercedes. Then recently they just pulled out of F1 after being lapped by Mercedes and Ferrari. If they were a winning outfit, would they have pulled out? Excuses.
lol, BMWSuperman is so wrong, BMW stands for Bavarian Motor Works
But what has BMW done in the motor racing world lately? They got beat up by Mercedes in Formula 1 so they pulled out then they get their nuts crushed by SEAT in the WTCC so they pulled out yet again and they always have their ass handed to them by Corvette at Le Mans so they'll probably pull out in the near future. At least they thought of re-joining the DTM so at least losing to Mercedes or Audi is less embarassing than to Chevys or SEATS don't you agree?
IMSA,Euro Touring Car,American Le Mans series -- these are 2nd rate racing series that BMW is supposed to dominate. During the Turbo era of F1, BMW only one title and was even in F1 earlier than Porsche who won with McLaren from 1984-1986 before shifting to Honda in 1988. Don't brag too much about BMW racing success coz its nowhere near Audi and especially Mercedes-Benz racing success.
@500377770 Yeah lets look at 2010, thats right, no bmw in F1, lol hahha
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i see you dont follow motorsports close enough to see, i'll start with alms 2010 team champions RLL. grand am ganassi racing dp champs m5 engine,8 victories. koni challenge m3 total domination drivers championship manufacturer championship. 2011 winner 24hrs daytona and dp champs, ctscc champs m3. Alms sebring m3 winner, and champs. 2012 sebring winner m3. BMW is a small co. they don't have the money G.M , Mercedes, Audi VW have.
@wawiebeastman you cant argue with BM fans,
its like them bragging about winning the 24 hrs at the ring, only because the porche and audi fell out
truth is, bm isnt as good as they claim to be, but bm fans think they are
ill take a merc, audi, porche over a bm anyday
@kregzdeM3 m is precision amg is all muscle no brains thats why the new m3 can spank a c63 that has 50 more bhp lollll
new m3's look like poop...
What a load of crap!! BMW can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC 4 banger series and you claim its the definition of sportscars??? Research first before you post. When Mercedes and BMW race each other in any platform (F1,FIA-GT,DTM,etc.) you lose. Compare the racing success of both companies and you'll discover how lowly BMW is. Heck Audi/VW has a better record btw. No lying. Just facts.