New Malinois - Will He Protect His Owner?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2020
- An old friend of mine imported a new Malinois from Holland. He knew that I've been teaching my son about protection dog training so he stopped by so we could have a look. I've known this fella since I was a young dog trainer so don't think any of the kidding was in any way mean spirited. We were all just hanging out and having fun.
These video clips were originally going to be a part of the Teaching My Son To Train Protection Dog series, but we had some equipment malfunctions which led to lost clips and poor audio.
Some of my instagram followers talked me into posting it here also.
Sorry about the quality...
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Great video Stonnie, don't pay them trolls no mind!
@@forrestmiller6161 Thanks!
I've seen lots of dogs fail without a sleeve. It's great that you brought this to people's attention. Not all will attack.
My doberman has really great protection temperament maybe too much. She is 2 yrs old is she too old to train?
I’m sorry to say this but you guys completely failed this dog because he didn’t get any commands. Here in Germany or the Netherlands we train our dogs to attack on command so it was very unfair for the dog plus you can see his owner doesn’t really have a connection with the dog and doesn’t train the dog with the right commands
Well the first reaction looked like a casual conversation in a supermarket. I wouldn’t expect the dog to do anything lol.
That's the whole point though, that's exactly how you get robbed. It almost happened to me once but there was already too much distance and dude could tell I was on his ass lol.
@@reitairue2073 Then again the big difference is how you (owner) command the dog. If to protect or to stand down, alert commands or quick reaction commands are necessary to complete the whole picture and point of protection. Gun training is another aspect, doubt the dog had counter arms defence training. Would have acted automatically otherwise. Good demonstration but a little broad. Another aspect is : pairing with a new dog, insertion of you (the owner) as their actual owner should be done in a certain way.
My 2 cents as a total dog owner amateur with a passion for this. Pls, do correct me if wrong.
Appreciated
Sorry @Reitairue wasn't intended for you but the video itself
You don’t want a protection dog, that just attacks anyone you talk to. Pointless video
@@reitairue2073 the second dog was just overly aggressive, you can't just have you dog looking to kill anyone who comes within a fucking mile of you
The dog knows what’s going on as soon as he sees the sleeve .
trueeeeeee
Shitty trained dog unfortunately
That’s not true. Dog is well trained but not practical yet. Needs transition to real life situations. Owner needs to know a bit more too. He’s a little bit behind the action.
bottom line:
bad guys with sleeves beware
Virata btw it's *truuuuue, not "trueeee"
My assumption is that the dog is trained to attack the bite sleeve. That is his playtime.
That first dog has incredible potential. I've seen plenty of dogs hit harder, but he's a quick as any and has an excellent bite. Also, when he understands what's expected of him, he is very alert and has great presence.
At what age does it become inappropriate to speak about a dog's potential?
@@StonnieDennis that is a wonderful point Stonnie. People think just because they got a Malinois or are working line German Shepherd that is automatically going to defend them. Even a big scary looking dog like a Corso. Kind of like how people have to work on muscle memory in a stressful situation. But they have to have good nerves to deal with it from the get-go
@@StonnieDennis At what age are they deemed to be untrainable?
The dog isn't bonded with his owner and the guy knows the other guy and isn't showing any fear. My Malinois isn't trained but she loses her mind if someone comes too close to the car and when she's off leash. My first Malinois didn't play, you sneak up on us, she's chasing you down. And she's warning you not to get close if she sees you coming.
Those fellas do not know each other.
You wouldn’t really show fear if a stranger walked up to attack you without being suspicious anyway 🤦🏻♂️
I thought the same. I’ve had 3 Mals and once they bond with you, they got your back.
@@KK-dn8yj but the attacker would def have a strange vibe..
It's odd that the dogs tail is tucked in the first experiment? Seems like a fearful dog trained to bite a sleeve? Idk?
Doug needs a watch comand. It puts the dog in alert mode with out attacking. Also train with dummy arms in a Hoodie, hiding your arms under a protected front portion. Sew the one arm bent and the other only slightly bent. The Dog should target the arms, especially if one is holding a weapon. Dogs that go into alert mode on there own are annoying to live with.. Love your channel
Ty, Andy. I agree. I did notice that my dog has issues with some ppl vs others. She looses it if someone is high and comes over to say hi, or is just has a slimy nature. I think she has higher standards for integrity than even I do, which is helpful...but....poses issues when at least half or more ppl are the ones she doesn't like. Lol. The world is full of suspicious characters that I should keep an eye on, according to her. Idk that she is all that incorrect. Lol, but anyway, she has been trained up to this year to be good being in public but since covid restrictions, she has become more picky about who she is willing to trust. I thought it was the masks....but she was fine today with the masked lady in the drive thru. Idk...obviously she needs more time around all types in masks.
Hi Andy, you say dogs that go into alert mode on their own are annoying. But isnt that what trump is doing in this video here?
@@jackofallsales4535 I think they are great ,I don't want a dog that when is danger I have to be the one to send him off ,the dog should be able to attack without me
@@jackofallsales4535 George gives a command with stomping his feet and squaring his shoulders towards the BJJ-Cop if you look closely
Yes--that kind of IS what Trump is doing, and its a little (or a lot) worrisome. I "THINK" Stonnie's son is giving nonverbal cues to do that, I'm really not sure. With a true "Protection Dog", the owner/handler NEEDS to be the one making the decision to "Watch" (posture/bark) or attack/bite. The dog SHOULD NOT be the one making that decision.
With those ears, I'm way more afraid of Sam than I am of that dog.
That tells me someone wrestled a lot....
Those ears and a Gracie hoodie. Enough said 😂🙌
I agree with the watch command. Dogs are dogs that are not mind readers. They need a leader to say go!
Also it's clear to any greenhorn this particular dog is not to that point in it's training yet. Equipment has to be faded. The last dog he got out was just a reactive fear biter
Normally, an official KNPV trained dog has a command on which he alerts as soon as someone gets too close and another command to attack, this dog was not officially trained and will need a lot of training to become a good protector.
Absolutely love you work! Thank you so much for spreading your knowledge! With humor!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Love your videos. We made a walking area in our backyard with different surfaces, heights, jumps after seeing your training area. 4.5 month Mal was a little feisty on this afternoon's routine. 😄 overall good training sessions today. Thank you for your encouragement and training I am learning!
Happy New year!
I really love where you went with this most important aspect in k9 security training. I worked in military working dogs as a veterinary tech and also spent time in sentry dog work. Where your headed is risky for liability that we didn't have in the military; as we all got bit multiple times and never had a law suit case Lol. I can't wait to see how you transition to getting a bite game taught dog to respond to a real threat without a bite sleeve. We used a meat cutters arm protection sleeve under heavy BDU uniforms to make that transition as low risk as we could. Good luck and God bless.
Thanks for spreading the truth, Stonnie. My trainer out here makes the same point. It doesn't matter how much you paid for the dog or what their lineage is. No one, dog or man, is a natural born fighter. You need to train for the fight.
Fighting is definitely not a normal trait. Animals will generally flee, posture or make threats first, and only fight as a last resort. There have been stories of ww1 soldiers encountering the enemy on a patrol and yelling at each other, or throwing rocks and not actually shooting.
@@0xFF48 That is true in most cases. I can assure you though, I know bloodlines that are born killers.
Lineage matters a lot. If training were the only important factor, most any dog could do protection work when in reality very few have the physical or mental capacity. There's a reason certain lineages lead to more likely outcomes. Plenty of dogs will bite without training, though very obviously training enhances that.
@@jfkst1 a lineage may be more genetically predisposed to doing protection work well. Just like some are more genetically predisposed to tracking and trailing, or retrieving. Just like some people are more genetically predisposed to be a good boxer, or basketball player, or football player. But your genetic gifts don't matter at all if you don't train for the event. Mike Tyson didn't step into the ring without training, and neither should your dog, regardless of bloodline. They might know how to bite, but without training, they won't bite well, and sure as hell won't fight.
My $200 half Mal, half GSD dog I got off Craigslist puts Mals from good bloodlines to shame on a weekly basis doing protection work. Because we train for it.
@@EvolvedTactical
Training can't be neglected, but genetics are imperative. Thinking otherwise is simply braindead. The majority of success comes from genetics and if it didn't, more dogs would be capable of protection training and that is factually proven to be not the case. A quality KNPV lineage shepherd would be far more capable than your backyard dog in the same environment. Also, Tyson openly stated he didn't train after D'Amato and won on his natural gifts so you undermine your own point lol.
The first dog is missing experience in real life scenarios as well as the handler. Dutch dogs are not shown to deem the situation worthy of engaging with the decoy, they are shown to wait for the handler to give a command. Dutch dogs(like the first) are trained for competition, and not for Civil protection, that does not mean that he will only bite if someone is "attacking you with a stick and sleeve", but they will only learn to engage with threats after being shown that they always have to be on alert. The main factor of all this is that it is also a NEW dog for the owner so there is a severe lack of bonding, and if your dog has no attachment to you he has no reason to protect you. The second dog, aside from having a bond with the little kid. was shown to deem worthy when he can engage with a decoy. His grip was solid, but if pressure was applied to the second dog I think there you will see why he paid "the big bucks" for his euro import. Malinois and Dutch Shepherds are known for being explosive in split second situations which is why they are also often seen as "nervy dogs", in particular the working protection lines, which is why trainers are training more on the dogs composure so that he can be taken down a busy street, and the handler not worrying about the dog trying to engage with every person that walks by. It would do both dogs justice to see another video of both after both have had more work put into them, and if the scenarios were made to be closer to "the real thing", because then you add a whole other factor of a chemical and hormonal changes that happen in the Handler, Dog, and Decoy. When you make it as real as possible the dog will deliver as real results as it can.
You make some good points, but most of them are not applicable to this situation, since the Dow was sold as a personal protection dog. Also, new is a relative word, as the dog has been with the new handler for a couple of months.
The second dog is just a dog that lives with us and my son trains; he’s a teaching dog if one wants to look at it that way.
Also, the lack of bonding that you referred to should in no way affect the dogs flinching and hesitancy. If you know anything about dog training, and it sounds like you do, you know where that came from.
If I was that chap with the first dog I would ask for my money back, I've only watched this video once but it looked like the dog flinched when the cop pulled the gun and shot. The first dog should get aggressive on command.
Yeah as an owner of a Malenois, I can assure you the breed are incredible protection dogs. Once the bond is made, they are incredibly loyal and protective. A guy walked up behind my wife and our boy lunged at the poor guy.
In the video the gun mugging is very subtle, I think in real life the dog would sense your fear/apprehension and respond.
Love your straight forward approach its changed everything I thought I knew!!!
Over the years I’ve simply come to realize that life really boils down to common sense and fundamentals. That’s what I try to get across on my channel. Thank you for watching!
Very, VERY good demonstration of the flaw of so many "highly trained" personal protection dogs. Makes me happy to have a dog myself who will act like Trump if someone comes even close to me. A tad inconvenient sometimes, but we live very remote and I'm quite fond of that space she creates around me, because here in the woods, you just never know. Thanks for putting this out here!
Thanks for watching. Their are lots of trade offs in life, we all have to figure out which trade offs we can live with.
@@StonnieDennis Good point! - I definitely like your way of thinking. You got a new subscriber :-) Blessed new year to you!
Well said madame, in the woods you never know. I live on an island, mostly woods
My hound-pit mix Lela is that way. She has zero tolerance for people or animals approaching me, especially if they try to sneak up.
Same here
Great video! This is why muzzle training is great
Very nice , was that response all on the dogs part or Georgie give a command ?
on your channel do you cover how to train a Shepard to do this or recommend what kind of trainer to find ? Exactly what I like to do with my 6 month Shepard
Nice video Stonnie!! I wondered this myself if the trigger for the dogs in Shutzhund training or otherwise was the bite gear.
Love your videos Stonnie.
This is a green dog with lots of potential. All dogs start off biting sleeves. Its time for him to transition to hidden sleeve, even a suite. In just a few short weeks he could very easily become a real protection dog. My dog is from Holland and was equipment oriented. But in no time I was able to correct this very minor flaw.
Great video, Stonnie. Point well made! Perhaps I am mistaken, but it seem like it is much easier to find dogs with sport oriented training as opposed to dogs trained for real life. Thanks for the content.
For sure; man fighters are a whole lot of liability!
@@StonnieDennis and extra effort because they require a level of constant vigilance above and beyond having another dog not trained for protection. It is a type of vigilance that can land a lazy handler in hot water due to a lapse in attention to the surroundings and the dog at the same time. Not worth it, IMO, and probably why you don't like to mess with that kind of training much.
Most of those dogs that will actually genuinely naturally tear up people have been removed from the gene pool. With the exception of certain lines of pitbulls bred by idiots.
@@titanbuck7 You are definitely right about the removal of human aggressive dogs from the gene pool. Although not everyone who breeds game bred pits is an idiot...
Great video , this is one reason I didn't socialize my Belgium . His natural instincts are to protect and I don't want to confuse him with a lot of training. He knows the basic commands sit and down.
Training helps the dog to properly channel the aggression. Otherwise he has just his uncontrollable impulses that are much less productive in terms of protection.
Where did you get the second dog, the GSD? I like his build and short hair. Looking for a well bred GSD.
But will that Malinois bite a un-sleeved person on command? Great video none the less.
Doug’s dog? For sure, with a bit of practice.
Trump? Of course.
Wow, so insightful...trolll...
Yes that's what worries me as well.. does one have to train with a muzzle maybe??
They see the sleeve as a game??
Yes, sleeve is a game and trains dog to not fear confronting a person to their face. BUT dog has never been trained to alert or to recognize a threat vs a non threat. Potential hazard if he mistakes someones winter bubble jacket for a bite jacket. This dog has only basic training but never moved to advanced scenarios.v
@Johnny Appleseed this channel doesn't focus on protection training, and the first dog wasn't trained by this guy, so.... I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Dear Stonnie, could you please Kindly tell me the brand of the jacket you are wearing? I cannot find it but it looks awesome (like waxed canvas).
Thank you so much :)
I looks like a Filson. Tin cloth Cruiser Jacket. They’re made in Seattle, they make very good outdoor clothing.
@@chadbuell8615 the Filson tin cloth cruiser looks completely different with different pockets, Buttons and color.
Unfortunately Stonnie doesn't seem to answer questions not relating to his Training:/ but thank you for taking your time :)
LOL...I'm not interested in talking about clothing brands...
@@StonnieDennis LOL... okay I did not expect you to be so rude... I just asked a normal question in a polite way.
@@brinky626 ikr wtf
My super friendly 2 yr old GSD/Husky mix about lost his crap when I was stopped at a corner on the way to the dog park. I was smoking with the window down and a homeless man asked for a cig, I grabbed one and was starting to hand it to him when his hand went into the car my dog lunged from the backseat, his paws on the center console barking as I have never heard. The guy quickly moved his hand out the window I handed him the cig then as we drove away I praised my guy :)
Yup, I would trust my gsd to protect me over any other dog..protection trained or not. She’s not trained in protection, but has proven that she will protect me from a threat. Great point u make here!
The expensive Dutch dog looks sleeve happy to me. Novelty dog. My free 60 pound female German shepherd mix goes ballistic if any weirdo gets near me. Trouble is, she thinks the mailman is a weirdo. Has jumped over fence and run down the street to chase his truck and try to get him. Real pleasure to see Dog expert like stony do simple clear instructional video. Maybe I should sign up for some help.
Your baby will be put down soon with no training
The dog was looking at him waiting for him to tell him something.
What does that tell you?
Hes a dog that has been trained to be a civil protection dog,the other is a high risk close protection dog..........they both have there merits.........dog no 2 is much more reactive and you would need to keep your eye on in public more dog one is more controlled and better suited to a family with kids and a normal level of threat.
@@joanapaiva7554 Mines the same, she does really nice bitework but is super calm and friendly in everyday situations. However she barks instantly if I even whisper 'watch him' and if give her a slight tug on the lead at the same time she will be rearing up on the end of the lead even if its someone she knows well.
Ive trained lots of different mali and mali x and live with two in my home and hands down id take a calm dog over a prickly highly driven dog any day of the week...........will take more time and skill on my part with training but it in my opinion is better for what i and most people need........if i have to train up a sentry or high threat dog i take a prickly dog and work with them i have found knpv lines to GENERALLY be highly driven and produce some of the best dogs ive worked especially regarding prickly dogs but also the odd calm and confident family protection dog
@@joanapaiva7554 My girl Mia is first and foremost a family pet. We live in the UK and being mugged at gunpoint just doesnt happen, Knives maybe but guns extremely rarely, the only people that tend to get shot over here are gang members getting shot by other gang members so TBH I dont feel the need for a trained PP dog (presence alone counts for a lot) but shes from a line of police and prison dogs so it seems only fair to let her do what she was bred to do. Still very nice knowing that shes done all the decoy and environmental work just in case I did ever find myself in a bad situation, but day to day, having a take anywhere meet anyone kind of girl is way more important to me.
Amazing video! Love your channel! Love your home and property and the way you handle the dogs!
I'm 76. I have 2 Belgian Malinois. Male & female. Neither of them will allow anyone even near my fence without immediately charging & I. Full attack mode. I got them when they were 8 weeks old. Raised with love, firm hand & strong 1 word commands with a hand gesture. Yes have proven to be my fearless protectors. Even holding an intruder at bay while we wait for sheriff. They also protect against animal predators. You are not being fair with these dogs. Mine would die for me. My gentle giants.
You should do a demonstration and post the link!
I walk my dog around skid row. Plenty of crazies around there...your dog will learn quickly not to allow people to randomly approach without "relax" command.
Just the presence of a protection type dog is a massive deterrent tbf.
@@miathemalinoisgsdx1320 hell yes it is. It's primal too. It used to be wolves we were afraid of.
I am Dutch. These are farm dogs. My Malinois is amazing but I dont want her biting people. They like to play and exercise
I feel ya
👍 I admit I wanted mine to chase and bite, but after 9 months of bringing her up around as many kids and dogs as I could find, she's the greatest dog ever, in any situation, so she's sticking to chasing balls and Frisbees and the occasional duck 😄
So my question is, how do you get the dog to protect you and attack without people wearing the sleeve? Do you cover the sleeve with clothes and in courage the dog to bite? I have a Mali and he loves bite work. We train to a good standard but I’m always interested in other dog handlers techniques
There’s a fairly broad range of methodologies, but they pretty much all center on different types of scenario training; muzzles, hidden sleeves, fake arms, etc...
What I find interesting though is that some dogs need very little, to no, specific training. It just comes natural to them.
I’m the farthest thing from an expert on the protection/sport/police dog niches though so you should really check out some of the folks that do this type of work for a living.
Absolutely brilliant video, it should be shown to every Malinois owner that believes bite work using a sleeve is going to turn out a great protection dog. Yes bonding with your dog makes a difference and that takes time so a new dog won’t be so protective BUT sleeve work is basically a game for the dog. In real life someone trying to attack you won’t be wearing a bite sleeve. I was always taught to train my dogs to real life situations and that’s what I do. My dogs know what a bar, stick, knife, baseball bat etc looks like when someone challenges them. You have to be very careful of course when using these objects but I want my dogs to be able to detect a threat instantly. Great video that I am sure will make many k9 owners think 👍
I really like the Carlson Gracie hoodie Stoney... calm attentive and polite or else.
Officer Doug has those MMA ears.
Great video Stonnie! Very informative. Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks for watching!
@@StonnieDennis I have a 1.5 year old Giant Schnauzer, she’s not formally trained just natural guarding instincts. I just know that when anyone comes to the door we don’t know, she throws such a fit. Sure looks so aggressive, even if she doesn’t bite I’m ok because nothing gets by her, and I feel safer that she alerts us and we can take care of the rest. I remember an earlier video when u said that and it’s always stuck with me.
Stonnie, let the truth be told! Very well shown... Lover your work!
Officer is a fighter. Look at his ears.
That Dutch Mal is probably doing exactly as he was trained. If you trained him that anyone approaching you is a threat, he would absolutely go for them. Unless your dog has a leave it command some shepherds and others can be super reactive and imagine having that do anywhere in public. I met one last week. Poorly trained dog and handler had very little training. Love your show Stonnie. I live out here in the "Bay Area, where we make lattes for antifa". I love Noname. Lost my dog after 15 years she was a monster high drive Border collie/ lab accident. I'm thinking bout a black lab or Dutch Shep.
I’ve always wanted to see this kind of comparison. Good stuff.
I didn’t know it was going to be so popular.
I’ll make another, more comprehensive, video soon.
The dog flinched upon hearing the air gun noise!
So, his dog does not interfer on his own initiative. Might it not be preferable for some people to have a dog that only acts if you tell him, instead of judging by himself, who is a threat?
I’m skeptical of those types of claims.
@Wesley Schinkel Since my native language is swiss german. This word in german would mean something like "Make somebody stand" (prevent him from moving away)
This is a great video. People send thousands but real life scenarios aren’t trained. The dog should know metal/aggressive objects. Knifes guns bats. Quick motion is key
Great video Stonnie, I have a GSD that we raised to be friendly and social, but I still believe he would protect me if I was approached by a stranger. Usually when I say hi to someone approaching me, he's cool with that person because I said hello first. But if I didn't say anything or if I said " Watch him " he gets into protect mode, has that been the case with some GSD's ? Thank again, and Happy New Year !
I understand that you are away from town, but can second dog be walked inside of town with that kind of alert attitude? (without muzzle)
and is there a way to "fix" first ones behavior?
Trump is a manageable dog around town, but he would not do well in urban environments with panhandlers, loud drunks, etc...
Doug’s dog is a very good dog. He just is not familiar with these particular scenarios and expectations.
That was lame. The dog knows its play time when he sees the bite sleeve..
Sleeve triggered the dog.
@Johnny Appleseed so why are you here? Stonnie iis showing training is required for protection dogs. I work with packs of dogs and I can tell you it's true. Dogs bite out of fear but attack to defend and protect takes some training.
@Johnny Appleseed you poor guy...you missed the part.where Stonnie was making your point. Lol. Except the part where this channel isn't any good. Hang in there. This channel might be too advanced for you. MCcann dog training is where you can start. It is more your speed. Lol
@Johnny Appleseed has nothing to do with the channel. There was a point and he proved it. The point is some dogs may be more trained, cost more money, but not necessarily more protective and aggressive. I see that reading between the lines, comprehension and intelligence isn’t your strong suit. It’s okay. Some people are slower than others. It’s just Darwinism. Natural selection.
@Johnny Appleseed Right. And what happens if he mistakes a winter jacket or work suit for bite gear? He never progressed to alert and threat recognition. He is half trained, plus new owner is not too familiar either
@@luciatheron1621 Dogs that bite out of fear are an accident waiting to happen. This dog is not afraid and neither is Stonnie's dog, Trump. They are bold. One simply isnt properly trained in certain areas
Great video, but did the guy get his expensive dog corrected??
Would love to see a follow up!
Where did you get the dog from?
Yah, these “trained attack dogs” think this is a game. That’s all they see it as.
some of them but some people train dogs to become fully agressive on command. You gotta understand which really will go for the man and which are playing. Real attack dogs/AKA protection dogs are trained with muzzles and hard sparring.
@@theperfectfighter9193 yes, but few of these dogs can pass protection testing. And a lot of potential good protectors are ruined because the stupid idiots start bitework while the dogs are too young and in fear periods.
Think you meant protection dogs
My dutchie attacked two illegal aliens that tried car jack me. He had very little bite work prior to the incident. He knew I was in real danger. I've actually found it harder to work him with the sleeve. He likes fresh meat instead.
Strong dog!
@wowalinbie Your dog is the exception rather than the rule.
Also, you are wrong about owner's being calm. Lots of people are super calm in stressful situations.
Don't be so quick to make blanket statements based on limited experiences.
@wowalinbie Ideally, that quality is what is known a a perception of vulnerability and intent.
another quality vid
happy new year to you and you family all the best for 2021
Thank you! Happy New Year!!!
Thank you coach ♥️
Well trained dogs will engage on command. These scenarios are designed for the dog to fail, these guys weren’t wearing protection and thus knew the dog would fail.
You are welcome to upload a video with better “designed” scenarios. I’ll be sure to take a look.
My buddy bought a fancy dog and I was simply making a point; one that everyone should consider....
I agree with Will. I didn't hear a command given to the dog when the handler was approached. A level 1 protection dog must be given a command to engage, although I don't know what level of training the first dog is supposed to have.
@@tinab8051 dog knew enough to out and to sit from the new owner. Of course dog will engage with decoy equipment. Even out of the crate from the plane they know about sleeves as breeders need to prove thier dogs in The Netherlands
How does a "Fancy Protection Dog From Holland" not have a "go" command? Something doesn't add up. Even a sport dog has a bark and hold command..Is Doug sure he received all of the commands and training info on the dog? What Doug does appear to tell the dog works, and works well. Granted, a well trained protection dog should have some intuition. Any chance we could see Doug handle Trump and Georgie handle Doug's dog?
People have the mistaken perception that dogs respond to words like robots. There’s a lot more to managing a dog than simply learning vocabulary words.
That’s a big problem with dog sales in general, in kennel Training ( board and train) programs, etc..
Doug and the dog just need a bit of practice in real world scenarios.
The attack command is ‘stellen’ in dutch. Dutch and german language is very useful for training dogs.
I'm not sure if you read these comments. But what is the training to teach a dog to bite someone without protective gear on is there a slim sleeve that can wear under a long sleeve hooded sweatshirt so the dog can actually learn to bite someone
Totally agree. And when **** happens, the dog is 'taken care of'...
The dog saw Sam's ears and said NAW BRO I DONT WANT THAT SMOKE!
The video makes a good point, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to bring the malinois up to speed with some scenario training.
I believe you are right.
I have a gsd protection dog she will not attack unless I give a command with or with out gear. Three handlers fault. With any dog the handler has to ne trained more than the dog
Post a link for us!
The cop has some trained ears.
Feel sorry for the guy that thinks he can out wrestle this cop 🤣🤣
Great Videos. I'm gonna keep on watching and learning.
The question is! Did he buy this dog as a finished protection dog? If so, get your money back.
There’s real personal protection dogs and then there’s sport protection dogs. This could be a finished dog if he’s only interested in sport.
@@jacobhartwell8211 two separate dogs in my opinion! There’s a protection dog or a sport dog. That’s just my opinion on that. I would still be asking the question I asked, due to the fact, it sounds like he bought the dog for the purpose of protection, not a sport dog.
@@charlesferrell387 fair enough! Just made the distinction for people who may know less than we seem to.
So the dog has a nice start! He could do great in trials. He just needs tweaking for "street smarts".
Sounds like there was a miscommunication between the buyer and the seller.
There seems to be a lot of miscommunication between buyers and sellers in the dog business.
I am a new dog handler in the UK, so I’m only going off my training. The first thing I got my dog to do was react to a watch command. I feel Doug was set up to fail the gun encounter by a lack of command from the handler. The ‘attacker’ was calm and speaking to the handler in a normal manner. I wouldn’t expect a trained dog to pick up on a threat, that’s the handlers job to notify the dog he feels there maybe a threat coming.
I hope you see this as my opinion and not saying I know everything.
Those are very good points. You are off to a good start!
As far as being set up for failure, I understand your perspective, but if you think about it, I didn't really set the dog up for failure. I simply chose a set of scenarios that the dog wasn't familiar with, making the point that there's a lot more that goes into utilizing a dog, as an additional layer, in an overall self defense strategy. We also highlighted how price does not necessarily translate into environmental and situational confidence.
@@StonnieDennis Maybe setting up to fail was a bit strong. I think the point I was trying to make is that for me, the dog wasn’t given the watch command, in order to react to what seemed like a normal interaction between 2 humans. That’s where I feel the dog was failed.
Anyway, Looks like a fantastic dog that could be brought on to be exceptional at its job. The price of what a dog is worth, is always personal opinion and up for debate. Best of luck with Doug 👍🏻
@@MichaelWakleySmith A couple of things to consider.
One of the biggest problems I see with the concept of protection dogs is making sure there is a clean interface between the dog and the handler. We have an obvious disconnect in that area, for sure.
Secondly, the type of behavior we displayed was pretty aggressive considering that we both shot the handler. In the states, that's a legitimate concern and a scenario that is important to address.
As far as what something is worth, like most things that's really a matter of how much someone is willing to pay. I'm not in that business but if I was I feel like I would have to charge $50,-70,000 per finished dog to be able to really cover all my bases and be able to provide a quality product. There are so many variables and hidden pitfalls in that business, that it's hard to build every eventuality into the pricing.
This is great and a very important question.
I have a 2yr old Mal. I’ve trained him in general obedience and scent work. My buddy was over, had a couple beers and starts the “I love you man” and starts hugging me roughly. Red saw this, didn’t like it and started nipping at me??
Why did he do this and how do I correct this?
I'd be curious to what Stonnie says if he replies. I'm by no means a dog trainer, but for the "why" of it, I have certainly noticed my dogs do not care to hang out with drunk people - I think it has something to do with when someone is inebriated, they are essentially no longer balanced. Some people get overly affectionate, some get mean, but the "filters" come off, if you know what I mean. My aussie is particularly sensitive to peoples' moods and intentions. Mals are, at heart, herding dogs, so the nipping MAY have been your dog's attempt to move YOU from what he perceived as danger. If you have a redirection or "stand down" type of command that's what I would do, but that's just me. YMMV.
@@smileyginger1 Yes, exactly. I want to know the why. My trainer said he’s confused and politely asking me what’s going on and why is he doing that? If things got “real” the protective nature of my Mal Reddington would take over.
But... what if Trump misreads? What about when Doug just wants to say hello to George and Trump after Trump has alerted Stonnie, is Doug now forever a threat in Trumps mind? Or... did George actually send Trump a subtle alert?, Think we need a redux addressing these questions, what happens if... threat come up from behind or blind sides George??? Not dissing you just asking questions...Trump is a very impressive dog.
Trump is super well socialized so it is unlikely he will make that type of mistake. He was just playing a role, honestly.
@@StonnieDennis so did George subtly alert Trump or did Trump make the threat call?
martyisabeliever if I had to guess he made the threat call I’m training my malinois for future protection and BARK is the signal for a threat.
@@martyisabeliever No, he simply noticed the change in Sam's posture.
@@StonnieDennis redux... blind side or from behind please. No "acting"👍😎
I think my female Dutch Shepherd liked this video more than I. Such a great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The point of the video... dont wear bite sleeves around town.
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hey stonnie do you sell gsp ? im stuck between getting a Dutch shepherded and a gsp. i love your videos stonnie your the man.
Not really. Every once in a blue moon I have some puppies of one kind or another. I’m not in the protection dog business, my son has just been after me fool with it again.
How are you stuck between GSP and Dutch? They're so different and have totally different breed impulses.
What do you want the dog to do, get the breed that fits best.
Dutch bite first and foremost, always keeping an eye on you and everything else, thrive on handler direction.
GSP hunt but not always to kill, can be independent minded and distracted but generally sweet natured.
Great video! Should be eye opening for a lot of people.
Thanks!
Try having him give the CUE to attack without the sleeve. Protection dogs are trained not to attack without permission verbally or with hand signals. Misleading vlog.
False...ive been involved in agitation work....the dogs are always trained through verbal communication AND judgement training...what good is a dog that cant make a life or death decision
@@daleon96 you had two people that knew they were not in any danger and where not agitated. Dogs a lot of times go off of people's agitation to know if they need to guard without command. Also the dog hasn't bonded with the owner. This is such a set up and if it's not they risked a guys arm on a chance lmao
Your missing the point pal
As soon as the gun was drawn, the dog should have launched. Lack of finishing training.
Was stonnie’s son wearing a new england patriots beanie? Stonnie, im disappointed
LOL...I know zero about football...
First timer here, thank you for showing the difference. Tons of sleeve happy jokers out there. I'd bet the malinois would chase down with some live fire. I'm also curios if he would even try to regrip without access to the sleeve. Looks like I'll have to subscribe to find out. You ever spend anytime in Paducah? Be safe and God Bless
I have an 8 month old female Malinois and I was very surprised how hard her bite is for a female Malinois puppy. I made a protective bite sleeve out of thick high density padding and a neoprene sleeve off of a winter coat and at first she wasn't biting that hard and when she really clamped down on it I said ouch and she immediately let go and just after a few days of me saying ouch and her releasing she started reading my facial expressions and started releasing before I could say ouch. She's highly intelligent and very fun to work with and at times it seems like she's reading my mind.
This middle aged housewife really enjoyed rooting for Trump while making dinner. Fun video, thanks Stonnie!
I’m glad you liked it!
He looks to be a insecure dog. Needs some socialisation and some confidence excercises and he'll shine. He looks to have a nice steady bite- no regripping or anything. But he was still insecure at the first, he wants to bite, there is some excited tail but it's still very low Imo. And then you can see he warms up and becomes secure. Most likely because he knows what to do and feel like he's in control and knows what he is supposed to do.
He stress yawns a bit, and tends to keep his tail low. I'd say less corrections for that dog and a lot of rewards for what is wanted of him to the point where the dog feels like he can do no wrong and is the best in the world, y'know? Because that is what I see; a dog who is afraid of corrections or afraid to act "wrong". But of course, everyone reads dog differently. I wish you luck!
I think you made some great points!
Yep, at one point his tail was even tucked between his legs. I agree he needs confidence and trust in his owner. My Rescue Dutch Shepherd is very good at reading people and threats. I think this dog has nice potential. Have fun!
Did you do a part 2?
He knew y'all was playing cuz he saw the toy gun and thought, "R tey playn cowboyz and robbers". But, sees man-with-stick and says all right, lunch!!@LOL
Stonnie, sending a high drive dog down a hill on to a hard bitesleeve and a novice decoy, Doug is lucky that you two didn't break his dog's neck, as the decoy totally jammed the dog's spine. He didn't catch the dog as any half knowledgeable trainer would, no he sent the dog downhill on a long bite without giving in to any of the dog's momentum as he came in for the bite, total amateurs. Secondly, a dog trained in Shutzhund will have a bark command, you could simply use this bark/watch him command to alert the dog to the criminal's presence, then give the bite command, at a decoy with a hidden sleeve. This dog is brilliantly trained, you guys just don't know how to work him, honestly begging you to not ruin this dog's brilliant bite mechanics, leave him as he is, use the "blaffen"/"fooran" command to alert, and send him on a bite with a hidden sleeve, take a video then tell me that he will not bite for real.
Was still a brilliant and entertaining video, as always, but please re-shuffle your understanding. There is a reason the best K9s come from Europe and not America at the moment! Give the dog a proper chance on a hidden sleeve/bitesuit (as he hasn't seen that in his sport) then see if he needs further training or not.
@@criktun3346 I believe the point of this video is to display that your cheap puppy can still meet your desires. Americans will typically pay more for the work to be done for them vs having to do the training themselves and this was a good display that with proper training you don't have to spend big bucks
Dude, just stop with your advice giving. No, Sam isn’t good at catching dogs, but a little contact isn’t going to break a dogs neck. I don’t know how this whole trend of thinking dogs are made out of glass got started.
The whole point of the video was to put the dog in a position without the help of a knowledgeable helper to make him look good. Pay attention next time...
Again, you missed the whole point of the video. Also, check yourself on the quality of dog training in Europe as opposed to the states. I can give you a whole run down of the mistakes made with this dog, and he is titled.
@@wzrdinthemaking yes you can get any half alive dog to bark and "protect you", but to have a dog that will stay in the fight as a real protection dog, that takes a specially bred and trained animal. Also the slant of the video was totally biased towards Georges dog, that simply barked ON COMMAND compared to Doug's dog that didn't bark, because HE WASN'T GIVEN THE COMMAND TO. Doug's dog excelled far past George's dog in the biting behaviour, therefore warranting the price tag. Not to mention that Doug's dog will be a more social and safer member of society than, George's dog. Talk about fake news! Lets see how both dog's bite a hidden sleeve, then we will asses who is better.
Your son IS getting so big ..I absolutely love the name TRUMP..
They said in the video that he just received it. The dog has not yet attuned to his new owners body language and idiosyncrasies, so he needed to alert the dog. Once he has spent time with the dog, it will pick up on what he wants. I haven't met the dog, but if it's a fully trained dog all he has to do is spend some training time with the dog for the dog to understand what he expects of it and the outcome would have been completely different. you can look at that dog and tell that he was unsure and he kept on looking at the owner for guidance.
He’s had the dog for a couple of months, but you bring up a good point about the relationship between handler skill, dog performance, and socialization. That’s one of the things we will be talking about in our next video. That’s a problem that applies to not only buying dogs but running an in kennel training program as well.
@@StonnieDennis I've run into a lot of people that are astounded by how my dogs over the years are trained and act in all situations and their's won't listen. I tell them I invest a lot of time in them the first year or two to get them like that. It all goes into responsible ownership.
Edit. And continue to work with them as they age
Dog looks handler conscious to me. He wanted to in gage initially and the handler jerked the lead and the dog stopped. When the helper had equipment the dog kept looking back at the handler out of nervousness. How long had the guy had the dog? Did they do any defense work or muzzle work?
Very good points!
He’s had the dog for a couple of months.
@@StonnieDennisI'm sure you'll have him squared away in no time. Yall do nice work and I love your set up.
I agree- the dog associated the sleeve with defense...command would help- the breed is highly intelligent - sure to pick it up quickly
@0:32 that's Officer John Cena 🤣
Your boy was sold a washout lol.
Its not the dog...its the way je was trained...poor training.... he's sleeve happy
george is amazing, your work is great.
When are you coming to North Carolina
In the 70's we were starting a K-9 unit on our police dept, the handlers would ask patrol officers to help train. After some time the dogs got used to attacking the guy in a uniform, not good. They need to be trained to anticipate aggression not equipment. Good video.
Officer Sam's ears are freaking epic! I'm assuming his grappling is very high level.
So informative.
The first dog from Holland is great dog and knows what he is doing, It needs to gain more experience with new owner, it's just buying protection dog doesn't mean it automatically will protect you in any situation, you need to put some work to it, same as buying a gun, if you haven't shot before buying a gun doesn't mean you are protected, random guy on the street will stab you with knife few times and run away before you pull you gun out, you need training. Second dog is a great dog too but you can see it has more experience. So yeah great job great dogs, keep doing it. Love your videos
What happens if dog switched from biting his arm and bite his thigh instead?
Then You just got bit......🤷🏾♂️
Hey Stonie. With your training will the dog bark at everyone that approaches who it’s with. For example. If my wife takes my dog running with her, will the dog go after another runner?
We were just goofing off in this video, but in general I like dogs who have an innate perception of vulnerability and danger.
A natural guard dog understands what is and is not a legitimate threat, as long as they’ve had proper socialization and basic training.
@@StonnieDennis do you have any recommendations on who could provide the proper training where the dog will not only react to someone that’s wearing protective gear?
I have an 9 month old that will not let you get near me or my family if I speak fimly to back off, or if you show any sign of aggression, she will get in between the aggressor and myself. Nobody that has any brains cones near a dog like this.
We Love our Malinois and she loves us.
Damn this man just shat on his friend's big ticket pup 😂😂😂 so mean hahaha but good stuff
Hey Stoney, are you going to be doing more videos on how you fix this dog?
Maybe, but really, other than being under socialized a f trained a little harshly, he is a great dog.
People often think they want a man fighter, but then realize that they have opened up Pandora’s box...
I noticed that the dog flinched when Doug raised his hand to pretend to fight the assailant. The dog is just confused in the scenario and expect a correction from a handler and ready to brace for it.
The dog definitely flinches a lot...
@@StonnieDennis didn’t use the Stonnie method I guess?
This video was great ! George's dog's name is great, too.
Thanks!
@@StonnieDennis Yeah I had to go back on the video just for the name 😂 Well played!
I came for the Malinois Training...stayed for the Carlson Gracie Sweater.