I had the good fortune to be in the crowd that day (in the long since removed standing area to the side of the court!) It was my first visit to Wimbledon as a teenager. I remember it was an unbearably hot and humid today. The grass courts in those days played much faster than today with a lower bounce and the heat just exacerbated that making them lightening quick. Basically the surface and conditions completely favoured Steffi and she played quite brilliantly. Chris did a lot of nodding throughout the match as the bullets from Steffi hit their target; she knew it wasn't going to be her day. But she pulled off enough great shots and extended the rallies in the early part of that second set so that it wasn't a drubbing. I did feel she seemed a bit flat, probably after pulling of that wonderful comeback in the QF's against Golarsa. I shed a few tears afterwards. She was my tennis idol growing up (and still is). Thanks for the memories Chrissie.
Ton Ogden: the conditions favored no one player better than other, are the same conditions for both players then one player adapt better to those conditions and taking advantage of them, that's the difference between the two side, but whether, the court, the grass, temperature, everything is the same for both players, no excuses for anybody if that happens take off the court and don't play but that's no true, losers always making excuses!!
Nestor Villa what an ignorant comment. Do you not even understand the game? Do you not understand how conditions can favor one opponent over another based on each player’s strengths, weaknesses, style of play and physicality? Obviously not so keep your ignorant comments to yourself. No one is saying that Graf had an UNFAIR advantage due to the conditions, just that the conditions favored her. Know the difference...if you are able to comprehend them.
Evert holds the WTA record for all time winning percentage @90.1% Graf is second at 89.6% In her long illustrious career Chris had a losing record against only 3 players- Navratilova- 37-43/ Graf- 6-8 and Tracy Austin-8-9.
8-9 is almost even and 6 - 8 is also not too bad and 37 - 43 not too bad either... you could definitely not say there was a lopsided head to head like (I like Roger, still draw a comparison here) Rafa and Roger, where Nadal is clearly in front...
@@joergwilke1 - Early in their rivalry Evert dominated Navritalova because Martina was inexperienced but Martina quickly caught up but Chris with her indomitable will to win refused to let Navritalova beat her to badly.
Looking back, it was too bad that she couldn't pull off a comeback win against Garrison in the 1989 US Open quarter-finals like she did against Golarsa, appreciating opponents were not of the same caliber. Evert's still one of my all-time favorites.
@@srinitaaigauranot really..during this time..Steffi still using her top spin backhand n her slice time to time..the reason she hold the balls is her hands because she is a fast pace player n doesnt like to waste time between point..
I think of the slice as her Achilles heel. Once players realized she would not play a backhand top spin down the line, they knew they had a safe play to pin her on the backhand. The forehand was always dangerous though!
@@bearfoot007 I think it worked best against the kind of one dimensional baseliners that were so common in the women's game. They had real problems digging the ball out, and it set up a short ball for Steffi's forehand. Martina Navratilova said that in today's game, Steffi's backhand would "give them fits"
@@zeddeka It def'ly worked for her - over 20 grand slam titles, can't argue with that lol! But I remember Monica Seles and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario working out effective game plans against her, and then the lack of a different gear on the backhand was quite apparent! It's hard to think of another greatly successful player that just didn't hit down the line in the backhand!
Pallab Sarkar Steffi definitely could take the slice down the line and did it often in return passing shots. Trying to play half court tennis against Steffi was a losing proposition for almost everyone. That slice was also her best weapon on grass. Listen to Seles talk about how tough it was. It was not a weakness. Should she have come over it more? Yes, it would have kept her opponents off guard and allow her to be more aggressive at times and open up points on slower surfaces.
@Illya Kuryakin Hi Ilya! To me it is not about winning or losing but having options, a second string to the bow, to rise to a challenge. Who would expect a high ball in the backhand court, without the pressure of hitting an outright winner - no need to get it close to the baseline or put extra top spin - to be Kryptonite? However, for this to work as a strategy the opponent had to be able to threaten hitting cleanly (again, not necessarily a powerful winner, but with enough pace to be difficult to get to if Steffi had pre-committed to running round the backhand side) down the forehand from a slice to the backhand court themselves (to stop Steffi just running round the backhand and making the whole court her forehand). Lack of pace on the ball means executing this requires some forearm strength, something that would be trivial in the Men's game but only select few on the Ladies' side were able to do at the time. This is probably why Steffi would not have appeared to have suffered much from what I consider a 'technical deficiency' statistically, and hence our debate of whether this may have been a wilfull strategy resulting in a higher win percentage (though we would really need an alternative universe with a Steffi willing to play topspin backhands to do a meaningful comparison and alas I do not know of one at the moment!). However, I expect inspiration from my 'champions'. They beat the odds, pull the dove out of the hat, they breezily accomplish what us mere mortals find impossible. When they lose, it's because their opponent also pulled one out of the bag, breathing ozone instead of air to take their game to another level! Like what we expect when anyone beats Federer at Wimbledon. The marathon tussles with Sanchez-Vicario were quite the reverse to my memory, predictable very long rallies with the ball in one quadrant of the court 80% of the time, and as a fan I was almost shouting at the screen - hit the backhand, change it up a bit and see what happens! I mean we kind of expect a world champion tennis player to be able to hit a backhand topspin every now and again, don't we? It's a bit like having a world leader who neglects to check facts before they speak on international television. Even if the guy is 'successful' and gets re-elected in November it doesn't mean we didn't notice something basic that seemed to be inexplicably missing! I was an ardent disciple once. However, when our gods are shown to be human, we stop praying. It took Sanchez-Vicario to realize that my church was not perfect. :-)
@GoTeam Monica was only 15 years old in 1989..her rookie year. Steffi is nearly 5 years older than Monica. Within a year or so Monica starting beating the crap out of Steffi. Poor Steffi. 😆
I was sobbing along with Andy Mill when Evert won her quarter-final! This match was so much closer than the score. If only Evert could've won even 1 big break point...*sigh*.
Though I agree, I also don't think Steffi having her serve broken would have mattered. It just would have made the score closer. Chris just didn't have the attacking game that could really bother Steffi at this point. Chris was huffing and puffing whenever there was a rally that lasted more than 10 strokes.
Steffi's only major weakness was a reluctance to play her topspin backhand. She could play the shot, but very rarely did you see her use it. Her footwork and overall movement was remarkable.
Net approaches are sometimes something you cannot teach. Look at Roddick, he was clueless. Martina was one of the greatest volleyers of all time and Steffi was never going to beat her at her own game. Steffi should have developed her topspin backhand. She would've had many more options if she had done so. Instead, opponents attacked her backhand knowing she would only slice.
Except that didn't work with Seles. If Steffi would've used her topspin backhand, she would've had a much easier time with Seles who used to move Steffi and pummel the backhand knowing that Graf would only respond with a containing slice. She could've improved her volley but was always much more comfortable at the baseline and seemed reluctant to develop her volley. The reality is that if you don't learn to volley when your a junior, it's the most difficult stroke to develop later in your career.
@GoTeam Rubbish. It would've been an alternative to the slice which Seles knew was always going to be Graf's play. Graf could play a backhand topspin and she did more so in her early career. The slice gave Seles plenty of time to runaround and attack Graf. That's why Seles won the majority of their finals.
@GoTeam And what about on hardcourt and clay? She was beaten by Seles. The slice is generally a neutral/containing stroke. The number of backhand slice winners by top players, with modern racquets? Not many. Steffi could play a backhand topspin. And would've definitely benefitted from using it more. Your arrogance is amusing but without foundation.
@@joeyconvery2055Steffi was 86-2 win/loss in 1989 but only 65-8 in 1991 (when Seles usurped the #1 ranking). And yet Steffi beat Seles in 2 of 2 matches. 😍
At the time I wondered “ who is this Andy Mill , from watching this I knew he loved her, honest emotion, the kind you cannot fake, I knew then that she was in safe hands. The problem was that he was not in safe hands later on. Huge mistake on Chris’s part which she acknowledges . Glad to hear that they are now close . Steffi was at her peak playing the great champion Chris who was 34 and played her last last Wimbledon match here. Even at Chris’s peak ( ( 1985). I know Chris would’ve given Steffi a great match but grafs best is better than everts best due to grafs power and greater athleticism ( running ) . Chris give her her best effort on this day. The last point was a Evert double fault which was symbolic- she gave it all she had till there was nothing left.
Evert's best would have been a match for Graf, Everts relentless precision ground strokes deep to the corners was the greatest of any player man or woman. If Evert was born into the modern game as Graf was, graphite rackets, management structure, intense training, dieticians and all that, she'd have beaten Graf regularly.
But this same season (1989), Chrissie played, IMO, one of the best matches of her entire career (even better than in WINNING some of her 18 Grand Slams in singles), much better than this Wimbledon SF, and came within a (questionably bad) call or two of beating Steffi outright (after a string of losses to Steffi, after Chrissie had won their first several matches) in a very tight 3-setter at Boca Raton, Chrissie's home tournament, if you will (very near her Florida home, as I'm sure you know), though, admittedly, Boca was on a hard court, quite different from the grass at Wimbledon.
@@markdrinkwater1508 Disagree. Graf was a superior athlete in every way, considered one of the best female athletes on the planet during her reign. Evert was great at pinpoint placement mostly when not rushed and hitting from the center of the court, but like most baseliners (a distinction of that era), Graf would run them side to side with power or that deadly BH slice, shots they couldn't consistently run down or return over the course of a match. At each of their best, Graf is simply better. Her accomplishments speak for themselves.
Chris said already announced she was retiring After the season she never quite recovered from that knee injury And was just mentally done After so many years
I just rematch this match and against the field , only a Graf, Navratilova or in form Sukova would have won today . Evert actually played great . Note to players, Steffi took about 5 seconds between 1st n 2nd serves and Evert took about 15 seconds at the most between serves, without a shot clock . Today's players get warnings so often. Finally steffi also caught her serve from behind and still served greatly
Graf's playing tempo was I think the fastest I ever saw,man or woman.sometimes she was ready to serve before the opponent could get to the other side of the court.
I know in Virginia Wade's commentating, she said she liked Evert's strategy of off-pacing the ball to Graf. Bud Collins mentions it as well. I thought it was the wrong strategy. Chris Evert always liked pace, so not sure why she was reluctant to use it here.
Joe Momma Chris hits off pace because she hadn’t played well since she played Graf earlier in spring when she took her to three sets and genuinely had a chance to beat her She had an ear infection during the tournament before W and because of this didn’t practice much. She did put it all together against Seles at open in her last winning match of her career on the circuit.
Maybe because she was 14 years older (was that a hairpiece at the front?) and chose the wrong shot on more than one occasion. In general she had raised her game but others had come on the scene since the days of Virginia Wade, Olga Morozova, Evonne Goolagong and Hana Mandlikova.
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Yes, Steffi was a great player but a classless poor loser on the rare occasions that she lost. There was never a single match in which I rooted for Steffi Graf. Martina Navratilova was pretty much washed up by 87 but still handed the otherwise red hot Steffi Graf her ass at Wimbledon and the US Open and of course Steffi flamed out big time at around 30 but Martina remained a force into her 40's. Serena and Martina are the two greatest players ever and Steffi shouldn't be in the same universe as them, let alone in the same conversation as them for greatest of all time. Had Monica Seles not been stabbed right on the court by some sick, Steffi Graf obsessed fan, her career would've dwarfed Steffi's too. a lot of people forget that before Seles was attacked she was absolutely owning Steffi Graf on the court while Graf was still very much in her prime. The fact is if you take a prime Seles and a prime Graf, Monica wins 15 of every 20 matches and a prime Navratilova vs a prime Graf and Martina wins 17 of 20. Serena prime vs Steffi prime would be as big of a joke as Serena vs. Screaming Barbi Sharapova. Steffi might get lucky and win 1 out of every 40 matches.
@@divyadijay2709 >before Seles was attacked she was absolutely owning Steffi Graf on the court while Graf was still very much in her prime What a load of BS. Graf was leading 6-4 head to head before Seles was stabbed. Seles only lead 3-2 on clay at that time and Graf had the better h2h record on all other surfaces. >Martina Navratilova was pretty much washed up by 87 but still handed the otherwise red hot Steffi Graf her ass at Wimbledon and the US Open Graf was only 18 then you fool. Get your facts straight before you post your diatribe.
Divya Dijay monica NEVER dominated steffi. Steffi was just on a slump, with her father’s infidelity rumor & injuries .. monica came up at the right time. Sabatini beat graf more than seles beat graf during 90-93 period
Illya Kuryakin so true. & why does it only affect steffi??? Seles’ fan never bitch about sanchez vicario french open & us open 94 & #1 ranking... or mary pierce aussie open win in 95... & how long did they think seles would be able to keep her invisibility (outside wimbledon of course)??? They never discrediting hingis’ quick rise to #1 in 97... like how long do they think seles wouldve been able to sustain her level?? Ooh had that peter graf infidelity story never came out or had steffi never gone skiing & injured herself... monica wouldnt had a chance!!! Silly monica seles fans .... goodbye FAT! Petra kvitova thought her life would end that night she got attacked alone in her apartment!! She recovered, came back & got into the best shape of life!!!
Carlo Chapelle Martina had a greater chance of breaking Chris in that third set than the other way around but that ball Chris hit was in and it should’ve been deuce at 5-6 serving. Martina intimidated the linesman the linesman did not initially signal out, he only did after martinaglared at him, and Martina had earlier gave that linesman grief on an earlier call and the linesman caved. Everyone in that arena saw it good, then Martina came to net with her hand out ready to shake hands before the umpire called the match, Martina would’ve won for sure but not on that last point. She didn’t win fair and square. Your attitude shows you’d see it Martina’s way regardless ofmartinasbehavior. I’m a Chris fan but I’m fair and like Evert will give credit where it is due.
Len Welch Nope. Even Chris after the match admitted that she might have been “hoping” the ball was in. I saw the live telecast back in ‘88. Martina wasn’t about ready to shake hands with the umpire. She saw it out and it was called out by the umpire. No intimidation happened. If it were wrong wouldn’t the Chair have overruled? It was fair and square. And it’s your attitude (always trying to make Martina the bad guy just to elevate your fave Chris) that’s causing chaos here. Chris was quoted (watch the NBC studio interview) that it was more of her hoping for that ball to be in.
And don’t be accusing me of being biased you coward! At least my real face and name is out here on TH-cam. Unlike yourself who is hiding behind a fictitious name! Attitude my ass!
John David Thanks. Even though I’m a Martina fan I accept it when she loses. She was outplayed. End of story. But I did notice that there are a lot of Evert fans on TH-cam who always want to offer excuses for Evert and at the same time devalue Martina’s victory.
Watch the whole video. Seles was mentioned in it. And 1991 came quickly after this tournament in 89. It wasn't long after this tournament that teen Seles was 1 in the world.
@Mark Decena and 7 Rings -- Watch the whole video (which you didn't do). Seles was mentioned in it. And 1991 came quickly after this tournament in 89. It wasn't long after this tournament that teen Seles was 1 in the world.
@@joeyconvery2055 slams: Steffi 22, Navratilova 18, Evert 18, Seles 9 Grand Slams: Steffi 1, Navratilova 0, Evert 0, Seles 0 Years with at least 3 slams: Steffi 5, Navratilova 2, Seles 2, Evert 0 losing record against each other: Steffi 0, Navratilova 1, Evert 2, Seles 2 minimum slams on every surface: Steffi 6, Evert 3, Navratilova 2, Seles 0 each slam won at least x times: Steffi 4, Navratilova 2, Evert 2, Seles 0 Wow, that is really close…. 😂😆🤣😄😂😆🤣😄
@carrerau7138 Why did Monica win only 9 Slams...8 of those as a teen? AS YOU KNOW, Graf benefitted from the stabbing. That is why Graf will never be the GOAT. If Graf was so good then why did she lose her Number 1 ranking to 17 year old Monica in the first place? Graf was simply not good enough to stop Monica's dominance.
serving with the 2 balls in the hand hahaha..what if the first goes in what she does with the ball in the hand!! this is how it was like :) when it was just a sport not the money lol
collins: stating that bringing up graf up to the net unwillingly is not really part of evert's game? evert always did this to baseliners drop shotting them, the difference was graf's incredible footspeed.. evert played DISMAL in the first 2 sets against golarsa? evert won the 1st set routinely 6-3.. collins and russell and of course enberg didn't know what the heck they were talking about half the time...
Let's not kid ourselves...Graf probably would not even be considered in the Top 5 for GOAT if Seles had not been stabbed. Graf's career benefited greatly from Seles' stabbing. And if Seles had not been stabbed, she would be the GOAT today. (BTW, Margaret Court also won the GS, in 1970).
Fact - 4 slam won consecutively: 2 times serena, 2 times stefanie Fact - Total Slam won: 23 serena, 22 stefanie Fact - Total Slam won without stabber hero help's: 23 serena, 18 martina and chris, 11 stefanie Fact - Total slam won under 20 years: 8 monica, 7 stefanie So what?
Interesting how you seem okay with gloating and boasting about your choice even when her main rival was literally stabbed in the back and bled on the court and could have died that day.
@@rolandgreen7484 I never said Seles would be the GOAT for all-time pro singles titles if she had not been stabbed (though that was likely within Seles' reach, depending on how long she would have played); I was referring to the GS singles titles only. I DO think that CAREER pro singles titles should count way more than they seem to count with the media, because the media weighs way too much of a player's career on ONLY GS singles titles. And you say that I'm delusional when you clearly said that I "should thank Parche for stabbing Seles" and you LOL'd about the stabbing???
Joanne Russell is so anti-Chris when she announces that it isn't funny!! Everything Chrissie does she has an annoying comment about it. Jealousy because I can imagine their head to head matches when Joanne tried to play tennis. I bet she never beat Chris!!
@Ilya Kuryakin and she wasn't American, which hurt her the most. She was the GOAT when she retired, but nobody talked about it. If she was American it would have been talked about, cheered about, and celebrated.
Several other player would have been able to beat Steffi in Wimbledon on a good day provided Steffi had a bad day. However that was rarely the case. Davenport, Venus, Serena were easier to beat on grass. That‘s why they all lost so often in Wimbledon.
A couple of things there. Firstly, I think she was very drained from her quarter final. Secondly, Chris said later that year at the US Open that as you get older, you get very inconsistent. You can play a brilliant match one day and then come out the next and play awfully. It explains a lot of Roger Federer's matches in recent times.
I miss the old scoreboard. They stopped using the miss and misses and the initials. No more curtsies or bows on court intro and interviews. I guess Sue Barker has to something in tennis considering her bad luck poor thing. Is Suzzane Lenglen rolling over her grave?
Helen O'Mara----EXACTLY......MOST will argue that M Navratilova is the goat....well, who was right there with her...??......almost the entire time..???......
Carlo Chapelle----so TRUE...i was just saying, that Chrissie was RIGHT there with her....and better in the beginning.....and i do BELIEVE the 94 wimbledon title that navratilova won...was a FLUKE.....but, a win is a win....so....have a great day
Carlo Chapelle---wasn't my intention to trigger you.....i was thinking of her 90 wimbledon win....her 9th title and 18th gs overall..........just difficult to swallow...i guess
@Max E 🤪🤪🤪 Grafs forehand...I just love it. But backhand ???? 😁😁😁 Is that the reason she lost 6-2 in the final set to Seles in the 1993 AUS open ?? No dude,...it was not troubling Seles ....She knows backhand drive very well...had she used it she'd had won both finals....1992 french and 1993 AUS open ... Slice is to deceive the opponent....how long u can deceive someone....attacking is a much better option..... Being on court i experienced that...
@Max E if someone claim that Steffi backhand could deceive the opponents, just watch the whole match of Aus open 1993 final.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Chris beat Steffi 6 times in a row. In 1986 Steffi defeated Chris for the first time and every time after that....I think their head to head was 8-6, in favor of Steffi.
Evert was not too old in 1989--sure not at her peak--and kept up with Graf in other match in 1989. Evert in 1989 Florida final went 3 close sets with Graf--Although it was a medium style hard court. Sure Evert was pretty much done with tennis (seemed ready to retire from rigorous tour) but she still showed up and played, better than 99% of other players nor did Evert just check out. This match Graf was on and Evert off. Evert was not in great form in previous matches of this tourney, one point from loosing to Golarsa. The grass favored Graf v Evert regardless of ages. At their peaks I would pick Graf on grass, Evert on clay, a tossup on hard courts.
evert was also WOEFULLY short of match play coming into wimbledon, having to withdraw from eastbourne with a ear infection and the last tournament before that over a month before wimbledon and was on clay where evert lost in the 2nd round to moonballing constantly barbara paulus.. (another match that signified that evert was mentally done playing against players like this)..
@@Calicokit101 NAW Evert in this match and US Open a month later in quarterfinals was not Evert say in Florida final in spring 1989 or US Open 4th round. That was a contributing reason for retirement, not winning as much in later rounds, the up and downs. Yet Evert is very gracious in wins and losses. Nice to hear Evert not diminish Graf's win by using the "I played so awful, my play was why lost."
Chris with her 1975 wood racquet would have been blown away by Steffi. What a young Evert would have done with her 1989 racquet against 1989 Supersteffi we don‘t know. I think she would have lost as well.
Don't be so negative! These are history's most honored and revered champions! They don't deserved to be so summarily dismissed so disrespectfully. Mental giants can conquer any era!
Yes, actually so! Only if you are conceding that it's like comparing apples and oranges, then we will never know! Tennis players will tell you that the game is 90 percent mental. Professional players have the skills to compete on a professional level, but, it's the mental toughness that separates them from merely good and sublimly great. #Playball
Marion Bartoli is a way better Tennis player than Steffi Graf. Marion bartoli had belief in herself that Steffi Graff as a great tennis player doesn't have even being world no.1 to win Wimbledon. Wimbledon is a grass court tournament and therefore amongst the medium surfaces. which means medium rallies dictated by serve and therefore less exertion of energy during a point and shorter matches in general. you get value for your shot! fat and short or tall and thin! when you play 3 sets against 5 sets for men, it is always an advantage. Marion Bartoli played a more strategic than a grind type of tennis in tournaments. good volleying skills as compared to Steffi Graff even in execution. Marion Bartoli had the belief that she could win and in contrast to Steffi Graff who believed that Bartoli would wear herself down and just lose(not that they don't have to play, just that they had to hang in there long enough for her to break down). Most of them slightly underestimated what she was doing in tournaments. She was an inexperienced player by that point who had proven herself as a former top 10 player. Her winning was really a surprise i.e out of the blue with already having made the finals twice but her consistency was questionable. She had unique two handed forehands and backhands. That was easy to replicate and master but once mastered it was going to be lethal. That was what spectators saw in tournaments of Marion Bartoli to a great extent. at Wimbledon 2013 she had some luck from the draw as 15th seed. she never played a top 10 player en route to her victory. the finalist she played: Venus Williams had already beaten Agnieszka Radwańska en route to the final. Venus Williams was playing her best but was probably worn out a lot by her battles with Agnieszka Radwańska and others. Venus Williams was in the form of her life but Bartoli had the luck of the draw. Regardless of whether your fat or not, if you make your shots even Steffi Graff may not be able to return it at Wimbledon. so if you are playing near perfection and having consistency with your shots then you are playing on a level field. then speaking of fat, technically Marion Bartoli may be classified as fat, yet she was the most successful female tennis player. Bartoli wasn’t really playing a specific style and really had weakness in tournaments and most of her shots had some vigor in it that Steffi Graf generally doesn't necessarily have. Here return games were spot on and had more errors and more importantly she can get Steffi Graff to errors first. all in all, this was a victory that was easily replicable or Bartoli after this mediocre run. She had belief and luck along with inexperience that allowed her to win her only Grand Slam. Marion Bartoli was dubbed as unfit and fat. She still made it to Grand Slam finals. Even in her Wembdon win 2013 she wasn’t fit. Marion Bartoli is an inspiration. It was really a fluke because Bartoli won by dropping sets and beat a few top 20 players along the way. Winning by dropping a set means you played really close to perfection along with dropping the level enough that allowed anyone to comeback and take a set from you. being fat may seem a hindrance, but is a limitation if you want it to be one. Honestly calling her fat in tournaments is really justifiable because she wasn’t thin but fat is really appropriate. And yes, tall and lanky players like Steffi Graf don’t always win , especially in the topsy turvy women’s tour. slightly fatter players can generate more power than extremely thin and tall players like Steffi Graff.
@Max E for Bartoli being short in height and fat in weight, she is definitely a better player than Steffi Graf, if you want to think so, remember YOU are brainwashing me by saying Steffi Graf is great . By your own admission, Steffi Graff, needed to be tall and lanky to win grand slams, yet Marion Bartoli who is short and fat and won Wimbledon grand slam which Kim Clijsters never won, how proud is that? Bartoli is a better player just like how she is and was and Steffi Graff is a close eight to Bartoli as per Wimbledon 2013, Bartoli won without dropping a set is a million times better than Kim Clijsters who didn’t even make it to the Final. And Marion Bartoli is already a million times better than Kim Clijsters by winning 1 Wimbledon Grand Slam. So that makes Bartoli a gazillion times better right. All this is not really true and not really false, except in YOUR mind. Steffi Graf used to drop sets.
@Max E Steffi Graf(who is a tall and lanky player) at AO 1988 her golden Slam year, won that tournament by dropping a set in each match of hers. The different thing Bartoli(who is a short and fat player) did at Wimbledon 2013. How stupid and naive of you to think that Steffi is even better than Bartoli. If anything, in some aspects they are different. You are making an error while comparing them.
I had the good fortune to be in the crowd that day (in the long since removed standing area to the side of the court!) It was my first visit to Wimbledon as a teenager. I remember it was an unbearably hot and humid today. The grass courts in those days played much faster than today with a lower bounce and the heat just exacerbated that making them lightening quick. Basically the surface and conditions completely favoured Steffi and she played quite brilliantly. Chris did a lot of nodding throughout the match as the bullets from Steffi hit their target; she knew it wasn't going to be her day. But she pulled off enough great shots and extended the rallies in the early part of that second set so that it wasn't a drubbing. I did feel she seemed a bit flat, probably after pulling of that wonderful comeback in the QF's against Golarsa. I shed a few tears afterwards. She was my tennis idol growing up (and still is). Thanks for the memories Chrissie.
Tom Ogden great comment
Thanx for sharing your memories. I would have loved to see Steffi play!
Sweet of you...& nice description ...
Ton Ogden: the conditions favored no one player better than other, are the same conditions for both players then one player adapt better to those conditions and taking advantage of them, that's the difference between the two side, but whether, the court, the grass, temperature, everything is the same for both players, no excuses for anybody if that happens take off the court and don't play but that's no true, losers always making excuses!!
Nestor Villa what an ignorant comment. Do you not even understand the game? Do you not understand how conditions can favor one opponent over another based on each player’s strengths, weaknesses, style of play and physicality? Obviously not so keep your ignorant comments to yourself. No one is saying that Graf had an UNFAIR advantage due to the conditions, just that the conditions favored her. Know the difference...if you are able to comprehend them.
Good foot work,superb athelete,looked serious & calm.Brilliant.Thank you very much for bringing back those days.
Two classy, all-time Greats.
June 2022 watching this classic anybody else ?
No, I’m watching it in October 2022.
@carrerau7138 , Nice well it's April 2024 watching it again. I can never get enough Steffi ❤❤❤
Yes in 2024
Evert holds the WTA record for all time winning percentage @90.1% Graf is second at 89.6%
In her long illustrious career Chris had a losing record against only 3 players- Navratilova-
37-43/ Graf- 6-8 and Tracy Austin-8-9.
8-9 is almost even and 6 - 8 is also not too bad and 37 - 43 not too bad either... you could definitely not say there was a lopsided head to head like (I like Roger, still draw a comparison here) Rafa and Roger, where Nadal is clearly in front...
@@joergwilke1 - Early in their rivalry Evert dominated Navritalova because Martina was inexperienced but Martina quickly caught up but Chris with her indomitable will to win refused to let Navritalova beat her to badly.
Graf has more winning percentage than Evert on Grass Tournaments
Steffi played and lost a lot at age 13/14.
From age 15 on she has the best winning percentage of the open era.
Nice to hear the old NBC Wimbledon theme again.
God I miss Breakfast At Wimbledon on NBC. And Dick Emberg. And Bud Collins.
It was the best.
Yes!!!
Looking back, it was too bad that she couldn't pull off a comeback win against Garrison in the 1989 US Open quarter-finals like she did against Golarsa, appreciating opponents were not of the same caliber. Evert's still one of my all-time favorites.
Man this was so satisfying to watch! Thanks for the upload
35:05 steffi playing whilst still a ball on her hand?! Wow. Amazing ❤
I have a feeling this was why she preferred slicing her backhand.
@@srinitaaigaura Exactly but I do ask myself if this was allowed ? Arantxa Sanchez had that famous Reebok ball clip on the back of her shorts
@@srinitaaigauraI think you confuse cause and effect here.
@@srinitaaigauranot really..during this time..Steffi still using her top spin backhand n her slice time to time..the reason she hold the balls is her hands because she is a fast pace player n doesnt like to waste time between point..
I looked everywhere for the Evert-Golarsa highlights! Thank you for posting!
July 4, 2020, watching this wonderful throwback video like a time traveler.😘🌹🇺🇸happy 4th🍷🍻🍸cheers!
Love Steffi and Chris
Graf, one of the few players that made Evert look her age. That slice is still the best of the ladies game
I think of the slice as her Achilles heel. Once players realized she would not play a backhand top spin down the line, they knew they had a safe play to pin her on the backhand. The forehand was always dangerous though!
@@bearfoot007 I think it worked best against the kind of one dimensional baseliners that were so common in the women's game. They had real problems digging the ball out, and it set up a short ball for Steffi's forehand. Martina Navratilova said that in today's game, Steffi's backhand would "give them fits"
@@zeddeka It def'ly worked for her - over 20 grand slam titles, can't argue with that lol! But I remember Monica Seles and Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario working out effective game plans against her, and then the lack of a different gear on the backhand was quite apparent! It's hard to think of another greatly successful player that just didn't hit down the line in the backhand!
Pallab Sarkar Steffi definitely could take the slice down the line and did it often in return passing shots. Trying to play half court tennis against Steffi was a losing proposition for almost everyone. That slice was also her best weapon on grass. Listen to Seles talk about how tough it was. It was not a weakness. Should she have come over it more? Yes, it would have kept her opponents off guard and allow her to be more aggressive at times and open up points on slower surfaces.
@Illya Kuryakin Hi Ilya! To me it is not about winning or losing but having options, a second string to the bow, to rise to a challenge.
Who would expect a high ball in the backhand court, without the pressure of hitting an outright winner - no need to get it close to the baseline or put extra top spin - to be Kryptonite? However, for this to work as a strategy the opponent had to be able to threaten hitting cleanly (again, not necessarily a powerful winner, but with enough pace to be difficult to get to if Steffi had pre-committed to running round the backhand side) down the forehand from a slice to the backhand court themselves (to stop Steffi just running round the backhand and making the whole court her forehand). Lack of pace on the ball means executing this requires some forearm strength, something that would be trivial in the Men's game but only select few on the Ladies' side were able to do at the time. This is probably why Steffi would not have appeared to have suffered much from what I consider a 'technical deficiency' statistically, and hence our debate of whether this may have been a wilfull strategy resulting in a higher win percentage (though we would really need an alternative universe with a Steffi willing to play topspin backhands to do a meaningful comparison and alas I do not know of one at the moment!).
However, I expect inspiration from my 'champions'. They beat the odds, pull the dove out of the hat, they breezily accomplish what us mere mortals find impossible. When they lose, it's because their opponent also pulled one out of the bag, breathing ozone instead of air to take their game to another level! Like what we expect when anyone beats Federer at Wimbledon. The marathon tussles with Sanchez-Vicario were quite the reverse to my memory, predictable very long rallies with the ball in one quadrant of the court 80% of the time, and as a fan I was almost shouting at the screen - hit the backhand, change it up a bit and see what happens!
I mean we kind of expect a world champion tennis player to be able to hit a backhand topspin every now and again, don't we?
It's a bit like having a world leader who neglects to check facts before they speak on international television. Even if the guy is 'successful' and gets re-elected in November it doesn't mean we didn't notice something basic that seemed to be inexplicably missing!
I was an ardent disciple once. However, when our gods are shown to be human, we stop praying. It took Sanchez-Vicario to realize that my church was not perfect. :-)
Steffi amazing and Chris always a class act
Much classier than the bitch Steffi.
@@divyadijay2709 .. it's U untouchable bitch = cow worshippers ..
@@divyadijay2709 totally uncalled for...
Monica beat up Steffi. 😆
@GoTeam Monica was only 15 years old in 1989..her rookie year. Steffi is nearly 5 years older than Monica.
Within a year or so Monica starting beating the crap out of Steffi.
Poor Steffi. 😆
Beautiful tennis
Forehand slice of graff was awesome..
Graf
I was sobbing along with Andy Mill when Evert won her quarter-final! This match was so much closer than the score. If only Evert could've won even 1 big break point...*sigh*.
Though I agree, I also don't think Steffi having her serve broken would have mattered. It just would have made the score closer. Chris just didn't have the attacking game that could really bother Steffi at this point. Chris was huffing and puffing whenever there was a rally that lasted more than 10 strokes.
Who is watching this 2020? 🎾
me in 2021
Watching..lockdown 2021 😊
Watching from Philippines..2022 April
Tennis fans.
Watching now
It's hard to pick one!!! Love em both.
The rally at 47.45 is extraordinary - it reminds of the best Sampras-Agassi ones.
Steffi's only major weakness was a reluctance to play her topspin backhand. She could play the shot, but very rarely did you see her use it. Her footwork and overall movement was remarkable.
Net approaches are sometimes something you cannot teach. Look at Roddick, he was clueless. Martina was one of the greatest volleyers of all time and Steffi was never going to beat her at her own game. Steffi should have developed her topspin backhand. She would've had many more options if she had done so. Instead, opponents attacked her backhand knowing she would only slice.
Except that didn't work with Seles. If Steffi would've used her topspin backhand, she would've had a much easier time with Seles who used to move Steffi and pummel the backhand knowing that Graf would only respond with a containing slice. She could've improved her volley but was always much more comfortable at the baseline and seemed reluctant to develop her volley. The reality is that if you don't learn to volley when your a junior, it's the most difficult stroke to develop later in your career.
@GoTeam Rubbish. It would've been an alternative to the slice which Seles knew was always going to be Graf's play. Graf could play a backhand topspin and she did more so in her early career. The slice gave Seles plenty of time to runaround and attack Graf. That's why Seles won the majority of their finals.
@GoTeam And what about on hardcourt and clay? She was beaten by Seles. The slice is generally a neutral/containing stroke. The number of backhand slice winners by top players, with modern racquets? Not many. Steffi could play a backhand topspin. And would've definitely benefitted from using it more. Your arrogance is amusing but without foundation.
@GoTeam Didn't work in the two French or Australian open finals.
Khris evert excellent player.her footwork was very.good my favourite player
Graf, super number one!!!
Until Monica dethroned Steffi and beat her up...Steffi fell to number 2...
Poor Steffi. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Steffi thrash Monica with 10-5 h2h 😜😜.
@@joeyconvery2055Steffi was 86-2 win/loss in 1989 but only 65-8 in 1991 (when Seles usurped the #1 ranking). And yet Steffi beat Seles in 2 of 2 matches. 😍
@@rajusaha8555-2 win/loss against #1 Seles!
Was there ever a #1 player who was more dominated by a opponent?
Steffi Graf the best, I miss you
Steffi always so nice to look at! 😍
Love you Steffi 💞
From 🇮🇳
At the time I wondered “ who is this Andy Mill , from watching this I knew he loved her, honest emotion, the kind you cannot fake, I knew then that she was in safe hands. The problem was that he was not in safe hands later on. Huge mistake on Chris’s part which she acknowledges . Glad to hear that they are now close . Steffi was at her peak playing the great champion Chris who was 34 and played her last last Wimbledon match here. Even at Chris’s peak ( ( 1985). I know Chris would’ve given Steffi a great match but grafs best is better than everts best due to grafs power and greater athleticism ( running ) . Chris give her her best effort on this day. The last point was a Evert double fault which was symbolic- she gave it all she had till there was nothing left.
Did Chris cheat on him ??? I have to know please 😳 always wondered why they divorced
@@jasonzaremba4551 I guess so...her first marriage ended due to her cheating, probably here it was the same?
Evert's best would have been a match for Graf, Everts relentless precision ground strokes deep to the corners was the greatest of any player man or woman. If Evert was born into the modern game as Graf was, graphite rackets, management structure, intense training, dieticians and all that, she'd have beaten Graf regularly.
But this same season (1989), Chrissie played, IMO, one of the best matches of her entire career (even better than in WINNING some of her 18 Grand Slams in singles), much better than this Wimbledon SF, and came within a (questionably bad) call or two of beating Steffi outright (after a string of losses to Steffi, after Chrissie had won their first several matches) in a very tight 3-setter at Boca Raton, Chrissie's home tournament, if you will (very near her Florida home, as I'm sure you know), though, admittedly, Boca was on a hard court, quite different from the grass at Wimbledon.
@@markdrinkwater1508 Disagree. Graf was a superior athlete in every way, considered one of the best female athletes on the planet during her reign. Evert was great at pinpoint placement mostly when not rushed and hitting from the center of the court, but like most baseliners (a distinction of that era), Graf would run them side to side with power or that deadly BH slice, shots they couldn't consistently run down or return over the course of a match. At each of their best, Graf is simply better. Her accomplishments speak for themselves.
Chris said already announced she was retiring After the season she never quite recovered from that knee injury And was just mentally done After so many years
MUFC Not relevant to the topic
Omg what an intro
LOL the drama of the writing is amazing
Chris such a legend... but she was too old for steffi at her peak
they didn't show her- but Martina ran over to watch/cheer on Chris in QF after she finished a match (doubles/singles? Don't remember).
And Shriver sitting right by Andy Mill. I heard most of the tour was watching...
I just rematch this match and against the field , only a Graf, Navratilova or in form Sukova would have won today . Evert actually played great . Note to players, Steffi took about 5 seconds between 1st n 2nd serves and Evert took about 15 seconds at the most between serves, without a shot clock . Today's players get warnings so often. Finally steffi also caught her serve from behind and still served greatly
Graf's playing tempo was I think the fastest I ever saw,man or woman.sometimes she was ready to serve before the opponent could get to the other side of the court.
@@tomloft2000 Watch how fast Bjorn Borg played.
I know in Virginia Wade's commentating, she said she liked Evert's strategy of off-pacing the ball to Graf. Bud Collins mentions it as well. I thought it was the wrong strategy. Chris Evert always liked pace, so not sure why she was reluctant to use it here.
Joe Momma Chris hits off pace because she hadn’t played well since she played Graf earlier in spring when she took her to three sets and genuinely had a chance to beat her She had an ear infection during the tournament before W and because of this didn’t practice much. She did put it all together against Seles at open in her last winning match of her career on the circuit.
Maybe because she was 14 years older (was that a hairpiece at the front?) and chose the wrong shot on more than one occasion. In general she had raised her game but others had come on the scene since the days of Virginia Wade, Olga Morozova, Evonne Goolagong and Hana Mandlikova.
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Announcing suffered until the greats retired and took those jobs.
2022!
2024!
Chris gave a good fight but Steffi was just too good
Yes, Steffi was a great player but a classless poor loser on the rare occasions that she lost. There was never a single match in which I rooted for Steffi Graf. Martina Navratilova was pretty much washed up by 87 but still handed the otherwise red hot Steffi Graf her ass at Wimbledon and the US Open and of course Steffi flamed out big time at around 30 but Martina remained a force into her 40's. Serena and Martina are the two greatest players ever and Steffi shouldn't be in the same universe as them, let alone in the same conversation as them for greatest of all time.
Had Monica Seles not been stabbed right on the court by some sick, Steffi Graf obsessed fan, her career would've dwarfed Steffi's too. a lot of people forget that before Seles was attacked she was absolutely owning Steffi Graf on the court while Graf was still very much in her prime. The fact is if you take a prime Seles and a prime Graf, Monica wins 15 of every 20 matches and a prime Navratilova vs a prime Graf and Martina wins 17 of 20. Serena prime vs Steffi prime would be as big of a joke as Serena vs. Screaming Barbi Sharapova. Steffi might get lucky and win 1 out of every 40 matches.
@@divyadijay2709 >before Seles was attacked she was absolutely owning Steffi Graf on the court while Graf was still very much in her prime
What a load of BS. Graf was leading 6-4 head to head before Seles was stabbed. Seles only lead 3-2 on clay at that time and Graf had the better h2h record on all other surfaces.
>Martina Navratilova was pretty much washed up by 87 but still handed the otherwise red hot Steffi Graf her ass at Wimbledon and the US Open
Graf was only 18 then you fool.
Get your facts straight before you post your diatribe.
@@oot007 Graf won fest 3 matches as Seles was only 16 years old.after that Seles won 3 GS matches and Graf only 1 on grass.
Divya Dijay monica NEVER dominated steffi. Steffi was just on a slump, with her father’s infidelity rumor & injuries .. monica came up at the right time.
Sabatini beat graf more than seles beat graf during 90-93 period
Illya Kuryakin so true. & why does it only affect steffi??? Seles’ fan never bitch about sanchez vicario french open & us open 94 & #1 ranking... or mary pierce aussie open win in 95... & how long did they think seles would be able to keep her invisibility (outside wimbledon of course)??? They never discrediting hingis’ quick rise to #1 in 97... like how long do they think seles wouldve been able to sustain her level??
Ooh had that peter graf infidelity story never came out or had steffi never gone skiing & injured herself... monica wouldnt had a chance!!!
Silly monica seles fans .... goodbye FAT!
Petra kvitova thought her life would end that night she got attacked alone in her apartment!! She recovered, came back & got into the best shape of life!!!
Thank you even though it ended early.
I placed winter Olympics 1960s. I recieved world cup for water sports. For tennis I got world champion. Under numerous sports names.
Where is the end
Chrissie's last ever match at Wimbledon. 😢
2023!
Its Not The Whole Match: It Stops At 2 Games To 1 in The Second Set.
Steffi Graf to me was the first real true athlete in womens tennis. Martina was ok, but steffi was legit.
With the most beautiful footwork..ever..unmatched.
Margaret Court?
54:57 Penny for Graf's thought.
'That ball was out'. Where is the penny? ;)
@@Volker7578 lol 😂😂😂😂😂
I can remember this match - Graf was too strong here- anyone got the 1988 W semi final Chris v Martina when Chris should have won
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, Chris couldn’t even get her own match point in that semi. Martina won that 88 semi fair and square.
Carlo Chapelle Martina had a greater chance of breaking Chris in that third set than the other way around but that ball Chris hit was in and it should’ve been deuce at 5-6 serving. Martina intimidated the linesman the linesman did not initially signal out, he only did after martinaglared at him, and Martina had earlier gave that linesman grief on an earlier call and the linesman caved. Everyone in that arena saw it good, then Martina came to net with her hand out ready to shake hands before the umpire called the match, Martina would’ve won for sure but not on that last point. She didn’t win fair and square. Your attitude shows you’d see it Martina’s way regardless ofmartinasbehavior. I’m a Chris fan but I’m fair and like Evert will give credit where it is due.
Len Welch Nope. Even Chris after the match admitted that she might have been “hoping” the ball was in. I saw the live telecast back in ‘88. Martina wasn’t about ready to shake hands with the umpire. She saw it out and it was called out by the umpire. No intimidation happened. If it were wrong wouldn’t the Chair have overruled? It was fair and square. And it’s your attitude (always trying to make Martina the bad guy just to elevate your fave Chris) that’s causing chaos here. Chris was quoted (watch the NBC studio interview) that it was more of her hoping for that ball to be in.
And don’t be accusing me of being biased you coward! At least my real face and name is out here on TH-cam. Unlike yourself who is hiding behind a fictitious name! Attitude my ass!
John David Thanks. Even though I’m a Martina fan I accept it when she loses. She was outplayed. End of story. But I did notice that there are a lot of Evert fans on TH-cam who always want to offer excuses for Evert and at the same time devalue Martina’s victory.
6-2,2-1 only You tube would not let me include the ending
Evert was phoning in this one. No legs left.
Seles was mentioned here. She would quickly be #1 in the World following this tournament :)
Michael Lane no she didnt. Seles didnt become #1 until 1991.
Watch the whole video. Seles was mentioned in it. And 1991 came quickly after this tournament in 89. It wasn't long after this tournament that teen Seles was 1 in the world.
That person didn't set it straight. The multiple likes I got on my comment obviously show other people saw my comment as correct.
Mark Decena i only stated the facts 👍🏻
@Mark Decena and 7 Rings -- Watch the whole video (which you didn't do). Seles was mentioned in it. And 1991 came quickly after this tournament in 89. It wasn't long after this tournament that teen Seles was 1 in the world.
Steffi was brutal and retired her without so much as a passing glance.
Evert is 15 years older than Steffi....huge age gap.
@@joeyconvery2055And yet a 16/20-year-old baby Steffi won 8 matches in a row against 31/34-old Evert! 😍
@carrerau7138 Seles, Evert, and Navratilova were far better than Graf.
Monica especially loved to mop the court with poor Steffi. 😆 🤣
@@joeyconvery2055 slams:
Steffi 22, Navratilova 18, Evert 18, Seles 9
Grand Slams:
Steffi 1, Navratilova 0, Evert 0, Seles 0
Years with at least 3 slams:
Steffi 5, Navratilova 2, Seles 2, Evert 0
losing record against each other:
Steffi 0, Navratilova 1, Evert 2, Seles 2
minimum slams on every surface:
Steffi 6, Evert 3, Navratilova 2, Seles 0
each slam won at least x times:
Steffi 4, Navratilova 2, Evert 2, Seles 0
Wow, that is really close….
😂😆🤣😄😂😆🤣😄
@carrerau7138 Why did Monica win only 9 Slams...8 of those as a teen?
AS YOU KNOW, Graf benefitted from the stabbing.
That is why Graf will never be the GOAT.
If Graf was so good then why did she lose her Number 1 ranking to 17 year old Monica in the first place?
Graf was simply not good enough to stop Monica's dominance.
serving with the 2 balls in the hand hahaha..what if the first goes in what she does with the ball in the hand!! this is how it was like :) when it was just a sport not the money lol
Relax there...money is always part of it. Its 1989 not 1889
She plays the whole rally with a ball in the hand. Remember, she is the GOAT.
lol those commentators in that box so cramped together you thought they would kiss at any moment, especially the dude on the right, he was all in.
it was 18 years ago, not 15 years ago when Evert made her debut as a 17 year old in 1972, reaching the semifinals...
17 years ago.
Cris Evert Lloyd!!!! 😘❤️
Lloyd in 1989? 🤔
Who's watching in 2023..two great champions!
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Watching in 2025.
Where’s the rest of the match?
2022 November who is watching?
collins: stating that bringing up graf up to the net unwillingly is not really part of evert's game? evert always did this to baseliners drop shotting them, the difference was graf's incredible footspeed.. evert played DISMAL in the first 2 sets against golarsa? evert won the 1st set routinely 6-3.. collins and russell and of course enberg didn't know what the heck they were talking about half the time...
Steffi is the best, epret was crying like a baby
She ist also much older
@@thebigmonstaandy6644 ow i love u too
@@thebigmonstaandy6644But that didn’t help her this time as it did in 1985/86.
She whipped her but..... Chris is a solid player just no real weapons.
Are you mad? Evert's weaponry was having the greatest bassline game and the most relentless to the corner groundstrokes of any player man or woman.
That’s nonsense.
And I say this as a Grafan.
Ludicrous comment
Untouchables soundtrack. RIP Dick.
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Fact - Total pro singles titles: Evert 157, Graf 107.
Let's not kid ourselves...Graf probably would not even be considered in the Top 5 for GOAT if Seles had not been stabbed. Graf's career benefited greatly from Seles' stabbing. And if Seles had not been stabbed, she would be the GOAT today. (BTW, Margaret Court also won the GS, in 1970).
Fact - 4 slam won consecutively: 2 times serena, 2 times stefanie
Fact - Total Slam won: 23 serena, 22 stefanie
Fact - Total Slam won without stabber hero help's:
23 serena, 18 martina and chris, 11 stefanie
Fact - Total slam won under 20 years:
8 monica, 7 stefanie
So what?
Interesting how you seem okay with gloating and boasting about your choice even when her main rival was literally stabbed in the back and bled on the court and could have died that day.
@@rolandgreen7484 I never said Seles would be the GOAT for all-time pro singles titles if she had not been stabbed (though that was likely within Seles' reach, depending on how long she would have played); I was referring to the GS singles titles only. I DO think that CAREER pro singles titles should count way more than they seem to count with the media, because the media weighs way too much of a player's career on ONLY GS singles titles. And you say that I'm delusional when you clearly said that I "should thank Parche for stabbing Seles" and you LOL'd about the stabbing???
F Joseph Gonzales it was a tiny little scratch she was in no danger of dying...calm down hahahaha
Too much power for evert
BUD COLLINS...NO ONE COMPARES....................
Navratilova and Graf ended the era of housewife tennis.
I'm sure Billie Jean King would like to cook for you now.
Joanne Russell is so anti-Chris when she announces that it isn't funny!! Everything Chrissie does she has an annoying comment about it. Jealousy because I can imagine their head to head matches when Joanne tried to play tennis. I bet she never beat Chris!!
You are right. Chris is undefeated against her.
Who the hell is Joanne Russell? Never heard of her.
@@darrensmith4944 She played in the 1970's.
@@joeyconvery2055 I don't recall ever seeing her play. She couldn't have achieved much -- no wonder the bitch is so salty towards Evert...
Just like evert being bitter to steffi but praised hingis to no end, who basically was an upgrade version of evert but with huge forehead & ego.
I warmed to Graf later on from 97 - 99 not here though
@Ilya Kuryakin and she wasn't American, which hurt her the most. She was the GOAT when she retired, but nobody talked about it. If she was American it would have been talked about, cheered about, and celebrated.
I warmed to her in 1984.
@@wildfire1120 Steffi was talked about, cheered and celebrated.
Even in the USA where they are usually very nationalistic in sports.
although the score was 2 and 1, it was more like and could have been more like a 4 and 4 match..
More like a 3 and 2 match.
When I miss to me the real tennis...
可哀想なエバート。グラフ相手では厳しい戦いなのは、エバートの表情からも読み取れる。
グラフをウィンブルドンで負かす事が出来るのは、パワーヒットのダベンポート(1999年全仏準々決勝では負けたが1999年ウィンブルドンでは勝って優勝)と2000年代～のプレイヤーだろう。ウィリアムズ姉妹(ビーナスは1999年準々決勝でフルセットで負けているが他の大会で姉妹でグラフに勝っている)、シャラポワ、クビトバ、リバキナ、パワーと技巧を組み合わたバーティ。😊 他に1994年1回戦でマクニールがウィンブルドンでグラフに勝っている。
Several other player would have been able to beat Steffi in Wimbledon on a good day provided Steffi had a bad day. However that was rarely the case.
Davenport, Venus, Serena were easier to beat on grass. That‘s why they all lost so often in Wimbledon.
It looked like Chris didn't even try in this match.. I think she was half asleep. Zzzzz
A couple of things there. Firstly, I think she was very drained from her quarter final. Secondly, Chris said later that year at the US Open that as you get older, you get very inconsistent. You can play a brilliant match one day and then come out the next and play awfully. It explains a lot of Roger Federer's matches in recent times.
@th8257 , He is a Graf hater so pay him no mind. 😊😊😊
@francinezane4076 I like Steffi but Monica beat her up pretty good. Steffi still has the bruises.
Poor Steffi. 😆 🤣
Why was this game so noisy? Is that court in the middle of heathrow?
I miss the old scoreboard. They stopped using the miss and misses and the initials. No more curtsies or bows on court intro and interviews. I guess Sue Barker has to something in tennis considering her bad luck poor thing. Is Suzzane Lenglen rolling over her grave?
Graf was unpopular at this time in her career
Why because she was winning?
In 1989 she was the most popular player. Only Sabatini came close.
chris evert....was a finalist 10 times.....and who was it that beat her the most.......ONE GUESS...IS ALL YOU GET.....
Robert Brown Navratilova surely?
Helen O'Mara----EXACTLY......MOST will argue that M Navratilova is the goat....well, who was right there with her...??......almost the entire time..???......
Carlo Chapelle----so TRUE...i was just saying, that Chrissie was RIGHT there with her....and better in the beginning.....and i do BELIEVE the 94 wimbledon title that navratilova won...was a FLUKE.....but, a win is a win....so....have a great day
Carlo Chapelle---wasn't my intention to trigger you.....i was thinking of her 90 wimbledon win....her 9th title and 18th gs overall..........just difficult to swallow...i guess
It was Graf who destroyed the two Queens (or 1 1/2 Queens + 1/2 King) at the same time. No one could do that.
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Boring back hands.....remembering Monica
@Max E I mean to say...monica has the most attacking backhand
@Max E ineffective... Netting most of the times...justin henin backhand is much better...
Seles never struggled to steffis slice backhand...
@Max E 🤪🤪🤪
Grafs forehand...I just love it. But backhand ???? 😁😁😁
Is that the reason she lost 6-2 in the final set to Seles in the 1993 AUS open ??
No dude,...it was not troubling Seles ....She knows backhand drive very well...had she used it she'd had won both finals....1992 french and 1993 AUS open ...
Slice is to deceive the opponent....how long u can deceive someone....attacking is a much better option.....
Being on court i experienced that...
@Max E A die hard fan of Steffanie inside you is countering my comments....am too a big fan of steffi...but I always speak on truth.....
@Max E if someone claim that Steffi backhand could deceive the opponents, just watch the whole match of Aus open 1993 final.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Too easy for Graf.
Yep, just looked it up and Chrissie pretty much killed her in all their matches and had her 11-0!!
Chris beat Steffi 6 times in a row. In 1986 Steffi defeated Chris for the first time and every time after that....I think their head to head was 8-6, in favor of Steffi.
Servechrisgood.
Evert pushing the ball here too much- won’t work against Steffi
Superpusher Sanchez won 8 times (4 times in slams) against Steffi.
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WTH are you talking about?
Evert was not too old in 1989--sure not at her peak--and kept up with Graf in other match in 1989. Evert in 1989 Florida final went 3 close sets with Graf--Although it was a medium style hard court. Sure Evert was pretty much done with tennis (seemed ready to retire from rigorous tour) but she still showed up and played, better than 99% of other players nor did Evert just check out. This match Graf was on and Evert off. Evert was not in great form in previous matches of this tourney, one point from loosing to Golarsa. The grass favored Graf v Evert regardless of ages. At their peaks I would pick Graf on grass, Evert on clay, a tossup on hard courts.
evert was also WOEFULLY short of match play coming into wimbledon, having to withdraw from eastbourne with a ear infection and the last tournament before that over a month before wimbledon and was on clay where evert lost in the 2nd round to moonballing constantly barbara paulus.. (another match that signified that evert was mentally done playing against players like this)..
Actually Evert is on record as saying that she thought she played well that day despite the mauling Graf gave her.
@@Calicokit101 NAW Evert in this match and US Open a month later in quarterfinals was not Evert say in Florida final in spring 1989 or US Open 4th round. That was a contributing reason for retirement, not winning as much in later rounds, the up and downs. Yet Evert is very gracious in wins and losses. Nice to hear Evert not diminish Graf's win by using the "I played so awful, my play was why lost."
Looked like Chris was afraid to drop her womb...run woman!!!
Didn't want Graf to win this - she lost to garrison SF the year after
And then won 5 more Wimbledons. Don’t hate her just because she’s a winner 😉
@@Mark9208pSteffi is beautiful, intelligent and a winner.
Many ugly and dumb losers hate her for that.
Understandably! 😂
Ggh
Somehow, Chris Evert plays stiff ...
Different generation..if Chris 20 years she will be winner
Right? Steffi would be 6, maybe Chris will get her chance 👍
Chris with her 1975 wood racquet would have been blown away by Steffi.
What a young Evert would have done with her 1989 racquet against 1989 Supersteffi we don‘t know. I think she would have lost as well.
I have to admit, this is a poor quality match.
Why?
@@lapalisseade7422 too many errors.
Time goes by...
Both are tennis legends, but if they had to face any of today's top100 WTA players, I am pretty positive they would be beaten in court
Nelson Luis Freire No way. Not with comparable equipment, they wouldn't.
Don't be so negative! These are history's most honored and revered champions! They don't deserved to be so summarily dismissed so disrespectfully. Mental giants can conquer any era!
No actually not
Yes, actually so! Only if you are conceding that it's like comparing apples and oranges, then we will never know! Tennis players will tell you that the game is 90 percent mental. Professional players have the skills to compete on a professional level, but, it's the mental toughness that separates them from merely good and sublimly great. #Playball
Jacques White They will tell you that in any sport. There are always those that rise to the top It’s all in your head you see it time and time again
Marion Bartoli is a way better Tennis player than Steffi Graf.
Marion bartoli had belief in herself that Steffi Graff as a great tennis player doesn't have even being world no.1 to win Wimbledon.
Wimbledon is a grass court tournament and therefore amongst the medium surfaces. which means medium rallies dictated by serve and therefore less exertion of energy during a point and shorter matches in general. you get value for your shot! fat and short or tall and thin!
when you play 3 sets against 5 sets for men, it is always an advantage.
Marion Bartoli played a more strategic than a grind type of tennis in tournaments. good volleying skills as compared to Steffi Graff even in execution.
Marion Bartoli had the belief that she could win and in contrast to Steffi Graff who believed that Bartoli would wear herself down and just lose(not that they don't have to play, just that they had to hang in there long enough for her to break down). Most of them slightly underestimated what she was doing in tournaments. She was an inexperienced player by that point who had proven herself as a former top 10 player.
Her winning was really a surprise i.e out of the blue with already having made the finals twice but her consistency was questionable.
She had unique two handed forehands and backhands. That was easy to replicate and master but once mastered it was going to be lethal. That was what spectators saw in tournaments of Marion Bartoli to a great extent.
at Wimbledon 2013 she had some luck from the draw as 15th seed. she never played a top 10 player en route to her victory. the finalist she played: Venus Williams had already beaten Agnieszka Radwańska en route to the final.
Venus Williams was playing her best but was probably worn out a lot by her battles with Agnieszka Radwańska and others. Venus Williams was in the form of her life but Bartoli had the luck of the draw.
Regardless of whether your fat or not, if you make your shots even Steffi Graff may not be able to return it at Wimbledon. so if you are playing near perfection and having consistency with your shots then you are playing on a level field.
then speaking of fat, technically Marion Bartoli may be classified as fat, yet she was the most successful female tennis player.
Bartoli wasn’t really playing a specific style and really had weakness in tournaments and most of her shots had some vigor in it that Steffi Graf generally doesn't necessarily have. Here return games were spot on and had more errors and more importantly she can get Steffi Graff to errors first.
all in all, this was a victory that was easily replicable or Bartoli after this mediocre run. She had belief and luck along with inexperience that allowed her to win her only Grand Slam. Marion Bartoli was dubbed as unfit and fat. She still made it to Grand Slam finals. Even in her Wembdon win 2013 she wasn’t fit. Marion Bartoli is an inspiration.
It was really a fluke because Bartoli won by dropping sets and beat a few top 20 players along the way.
Winning by dropping a set means you played really close to perfection along with dropping the level enough that allowed anyone to comeback and take a set from you.
being fat may seem a hindrance, but is a limitation if you want it to be one.
Honestly calling her fat in tournaments is really justifiable because she wasn’t thin but fat is really appropriate.
And yes, tall and lanky players like Steffi Graf don’t always win , especially in the topsy turvy women’s tour. slightly fatter players can generate more power than extremely thin and tall players like Steffi Graff.
@Max E for Bartoli being short in height and fat in weight, she is definitely a better player than Steffi Graf, if you want to think so, remember YOU are brainwashing me by saying Steffi Graf is great . By your own admission, Steffi Graff, needed to be tall and lanky to win grand slams, yet Marion Bartoli who is short and fat and won Wimbledon grand slam which Kim Clijsters never won, how proud is that? Bartoli is a better player just like how she is and was and Steffi Graff is a close eight to Bartoli as per Wimbledon 2013, Bartoli won without dropping a set is a million times better than Kim Clijsters who didn’t even make it to the Final. And Marion Bartoli is already a million times better than Kim Clijsters by winning 1 Wimbledon Grand Slam. So that makes Bartoli a gazillion times better right. All this is not really true and not really false, except in YOUR mind. Steffi Graf used to drop sets.
@Max E Steffi Graf(who is a tall and lanky player) at AO 1988 her golden Slam year, won that tournament by dropping a set in each match of hers. The different thing Bartoli(who is a short and fat player) did at Wimbledon 2013. How stupid and naive of you to think that Steffi is even better than Bartoli. If anything, in some aspects they are different. You are making an error while comparing them.
Who is she, Bartolli?
バルトリは確かに戦術的にリシキを破って優勝したが、グラフより優れているかは別問題です。
私はグラフのファンではなく、セレシュとヒンギスのファンですが、冷静に見てもバルトリはウィンブルドン一つのみ、それでも確かに素晴らしい事だが、グラフはウィンブルドンだけでも7回優勝している。全豪、全仏、ウィンブルドン、全米と四大大会合計22回のタイトル保持者。
又他の人がコメントしているキム・クライシュテルスはウィンブルドンではタイトルないが、全豪1回、全米３回優勝しているし、世界ランキング１位にもなっている。
スラッとした体格ながらグラフも、セレシュも、ビーナス・ウィリアムズも圧倒的にバルトリより多くの大会で勝っているのは紛れもない事実。筋肉はもちろんアスリートなので付いている。絞りこんだ無駄の無い、細マッチョ。😊
唯一例外はセリーナ・ウィリアムズ。彼女はがっかりした体格でパワー主体ながらもテクニック、フットワークもあって四大大会合計23回優勝している。
サバレンカもガウフもリバキナもスラッと細マッチョで背が高いが男性に近いパワーヒットを繰り出します。
だからバルトリが彼女たちよりも優れているとか、パワーをより多く出せるというのは愚問だ。
引退したがシャラポワもイバノビッチ、メアリー・ピアースもハードヒットしていた。
エナンに至っては背があまり高くないがハードヒット出来た。
セリーナ・ウィリアムズだけは例外です。
@@carrerau7138 フランス🇫🇷の元テニス選手です。2013年のウィンブルドンでドイツ🇩🇪のリシキに勝って優勝しました。
Where's the rest of the match?