The thing I really appreciate about Martina is how respectful she is as a competitor. She would never hesitate to clap or say "too good" on an opponent's nice shot. You could tell that she really enjoyed competition.
I think some of it in this match was a bit of a nervous tick. She'd done a lot of work with Billie Jean king about ways to deal with pressure and "enjoy" it more. Martina as always was a very, very competitive person. Her real emotions come out at the end of the match I think.
One of the finest and greatest matches I have ever watched. Fabulous !!!!!!thanks for posting...I don't think we can witness any thing like this with the current generation players or any one in future...true sportsmanship from both the Legends
Both of these ladies were just incredible. This was the era when women’s tennis really became competitive. That whole generation of players took the game technically to where it still is today.
this was the era in which women's tennis was more interesting than male tennis. this is the tennis we used to love. then it all changed. I think that most of the interest was due to a player like Navratilova, coming from two eras before. Very fashinating.
Yep. I was a youngster when watching this! I remember too! Like it was yesterday. The following yr, Pete Sampras won 90' US open. I remember that as well
What was amazing about Graf is what she was able to accomplish in a 16 year career. Evert played professional tennis for 19 years, Serena for 27 years and Navratilova for 32 years. If you have equally good players, it only makes sense that the one who plays longer will accomplish more things, but Graf had the shorter career and yet still holds many records, and is within striking distance of many others. Who knows what she could have done had she played 19, 27 or 32 years? She also achieved everything she did, in that 16 years, while contending with Evert (10 times, late in Evert's career), Navratilova (16 times) and Monica Seles. All players regarded as among the best of all time.
Navratilova played 21 years in singles.... where did you get 32 years from? and in that 21 years, she accomplished most of her achievement within the first 12 - 15 years (basically all of her slams singles, doubles and singles and doubles records). Also, in that 21 years, Navratilova didn't play 12 Australian Opens and 8-9 French Opens. I'm not sure what you're getting your information
@@fuckurbody According to Sports Illustrated, Navratilova said "Regrettably, Navratilova refuses to acknowledge the champion's mettle, her superior competitiveness. In a graceless postmatch interview, she said that she herself had not played well and that Graf "swings for the fences...was lucky...hit so many unbelievable lines...hit a ball going to the rafters until it swirled in." Thanks, Martina. You all done now?"
@@joeyconvery2055 Between Monica and Steffi, the most lopsided scores are 6-0, 6-1 and 6-2, 6-1. Steffi won both matches. Monica still has ZERO Wimbledon titles.
@LDVTennis Monica only played Wimbledon 3 times before the stabbing... Steffi played Wimbledon in 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 and finally won in 1988. Of course Monica would have won Wimbledon if she never left the tour...she was only 18 years old in 1992. She was an amazing prodigy and dethroned Graf. 16 year old Monica beat Steffi in 3 Major finals as a teen..beating Graf in straight sets at the French Open and at the Berlin Open. Monica is the GOAT! Poor Steffi. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 ... Just because Steffi won Wimbledon on her 5th attempt does NOT mean that Monica would have won on her 4th or 5th attempt. It does NOT work that way. Steffi was the better athlete and shotmaker, attributes that made her the better player on grass. ... To you, Monica is the GOAT. Poor you!!! To everyone else, Monica has ZERO Wimbledon Titles, ZERO Calendar Grand Slams, and ZERO Golden Slams. ... Oh yeah, she also made women's tennis look bad by moaning and overeating. 🤣
@LDVTennis Monica's greatest strength was her incredible mental toughness. Graf was very weak mentally. From May 1990 til Jan 1993, Monica WON 8 Majors..and she was still a teen. Steffi LOST 9 Majors during that same time period....again, LOST 9 Majors! Steffi was terrified of Monica..because Monica beat her up good. 😆 🤣
Beautiful memory...I am from India...in 1989 I was 14 years old. I watched all these matches live. Those days were nostalgic.. congrats to u from my TH-cam channel. The olden days were golden days.
I loved watching tennis during this era. All the strategy - whether or not to come to the net, passing shots, impossible angles, lobs, drop shots, etc. Once the equipment changed and it became nothing more than two players standing at the baselines grunting and whaling away for interminable exchanges until one finally made an "unforced error". That's when they lost me.
@GoTeam What do I need to back up? " ItS TrUe" Is backing it up? This nonsense generalization of bitter old people who don't even watch the product today and feel the need to compare everything? Speaking of rubbish maybe you hear yourself and why are you taking it so personally this isn't even a dig at anyone here lmao maybe the shoe fits
Two of the GOATS right there. Steffi was the fastest ladies player ever with the best forehand and Martina was the greatest attacking and volleying player ever in women's tennis.
This was not fair for the fact that Martina was 33 and at the tail end of her career (IMO past her prime) and Graf was 20 and in he absolute physical and mental prime. Remember, she won the GOLDEN SLAM in 1988! Martina won 17 of her 18 Major singles titles by 1987. She was able to still win 1 more Wimbledon in 1990, but that is just because she was so DOMINANT on grass! Remember when she played against Connors? Boy did Connors have his hands full in the 1st set! He eventually wore her down but she really did make him work.
@@stephenwright1476 ... She won seven of her eleven Australian Open titles before the open era. She was great, for sure, but I don't see her as the greatest. Besides, it's hard to compare players from different eras. The all-time greats were great, period.
A testament to Graf's survival skills, as well as all the other obvious abilities. When you look at the beauty of her play in that first set, you wonder how Navratilova lost that match. You also may ask whether Navratilova tired a bit, mentally as much as physically. Her game style meant she in some ways had to really focus hard as she had so little time to make decisions. To do that for three sets against someone who forced you to position the ball perfectly because of their speed and power, must have been a tall order.
Serve + volley all the time is exhausting, so she may have let down her game in the third set. Couldn't wind it down because she's to aggressive and eager to attack...
@@happyherbert1984 yep, I think Navratilova was caught to some extent between two eras. She learned her game with wood, when if you wanted to be aggressive you had to come forward as you couldn't as easily hit winners from the baseline. Coming forward was therefore in some ways less risky than trying to hit winners from deep positions with small racket heads. When the rackets changed, to begin with she was playing against players who had also trained with wood, so it didn't make much difference as they hadn't learned to use the extra power at their disposal. But then when Graf came along, Navratilova was suddenly a player without an aggressive baseline game who was forced to come forward to win points, and that meant a huge amount of lunging and diving against powerful returns and big groundstrokes. Against Evert it was always a case of toying with each other in positional play for her to engineer a chance to approach. There was less time to do that when the players who'd learned aggressive baseline games came along. That must have been tiring on the knees and the mind as everything happened so quick. On top of that she played doubles. It pains me to say but I don't think Martina could have played like that today. She'd have needed to make life easier for herself with more flat, powerful serves and flat, powerful baseline winners.
Wonderlandian She’s my fav female tennis player of all time! I really love it when she plays mixed doubles paired with one of the Bryan bro’s! She taught em everything she knows!!
Amazing final between two of the best female tennis athletes of all time battling for the 1989 US Open. Serve & Volley vs. Baseline Power! Steffi’s forehand winners were fire 🔥 especially at 5:20 and 10:56. Amazing how powerful her forehand winner was against Martina’s difficult lefty slice serve swerving into her right hip. Steffi’s lightning speed and footwork allowed her to run around and hit her famous forehand from the extreme backhand corner. I know it’s all about her athleticism, timing and effortless technique. I can’t help but compare Steffi’s godly forehand to powerful forehands today where you can see how much effort current players exert to generate power while taking advantage of racquet and string innovations. I wonder how Steffi’s forehand, which is the greatest forehand ever, would look in the modern game with all the racquet/string technology. Combined with her athleticism and uncanny accuracy, it would be a more heavier and deadlier forehand! Her backhand slice was the best ever too! No one, not even current players today (with the exception of Roger Federer), can hit a knifing slice like Steffi. With racquet/string innovations, it would be “Death by a Thousand Cuts”! If I could put both Steffi and Serena in the same era (either in the late 80s to mid 90s or in 2000s at their very best), I’d go anywhere to see the Greatest Forehand vs. the Best Serve battle it out and compete for grand slam titles!!!
@Max E You probably think I hate Steffi...and I Do Not! I like Steffi....she is an amazing athlete and tennis player.. I don't understand why you won't give any credit to Monica for beating up Steffi. 😆 Have a nice weekend Max.
This is for me what makes utube fantastic. If its clean and out there 2c utube has it. Serve and volley baby, the way tennis was made to be played. Not so long ago, but it was the good ole days of tennis. Thanks for the upload.
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Truly good see tennis those days So wonderful to see Steffi Graf she was entering tennis and Matin Navratilova was at end are career what good admiration she giving to Steffi Graf during the match wow really great we use see matches worth watch thank you who has uploaded 🙏🙏🙏
People love to say steffi only won because she was playing ‘over the hill Martina’ - for context, Martina here is the career equivalent/same age as 2014 era Federer, 2017 era Nadal and 2019 era Djoker.
In 1989 Navratilova had the 6th-highest winning percentage of her career. Between June 1989 and April 1990 she had a 67-3 win/loss streak. Those 3 losses all were against Steffi, in all Martina won a set. If that is not peak….
Navratilova truly has some of the best hands I've ever seen. It's a great combination to have both amazing athleticism as well as stunning touch and feel for the ball.
@@gk891 I feel if she had tried earlier in her earlier career, she could have won the largest number of Grand Slam titles, but to me, she's my female NO1 and the male NO1 is by far Roger Federer as far as the most complete male player goes.
@@hazori3231 heavier racquets here for Graf and Navratilova than these days, the girls now would scream even louder with the effort to use them, it's just a shouting match these days
This is when tennis was great to watch. Extremely talented players using the right equipment to show off their skills. Their is actually strategy going on instead of the mindless banging of the ball that you see in today's game.
You guys are delusional if you think this level is better than today level. The @usopen Semifinals 1991 Between Graf vs Navratilova and Seles vs Capriati, was at the time seen as the highest level semifinals ever played. Those matche are is so many levels below the women's semifinals at. US open in 2020. A totally different level of power and athletic playing .
@Max E I'll be fair Pulling off a few upsets does not automatically mean winning multiple slams and those upsets were in smaller tournaments. Date would of probably won nothing big even in her prime for even if she were to make it deep she'd have to face Serena a lot of the time Steffi would of dominated but she struggled a bit against big hitters like Pierce and this era being full of them it wouldn't of been the cakewalk you're making it seem. It got even tougher post 2017. No Serena fan but she's still a good server and ball striker which makes her somewhat of a threat but it's not that easy as she wouldn't be struggling the way she is.
@Max E Again, how does beating them on off days in smaller tournaments correlate to winning 7 matches in a row at slams? And taking a set off Venus in the 2010s is not impressive as she was struggling with Sjogrens and honestly almost anyone was beating her. Big hitters because of Davenport and upcoming Serena and Venus. It took SV and Sabattini a lot of meetings to string together some wins. Pierce was inconsistent but when on was dangerous, now think of a generation with several big hitters and servers at the same time. It wouldn't of been easy. See Steffi is the greatest of all time. She had all the tools for survival even today but to say other women of the 90s were better players is simply not true, better how? Weak serves, loopy forehands? (The racquet technology isn't that vast as Venus was hitting 125 mph aces in 1998 as a teenager) These are the kind of players 2010s Serena would of feasted on A literal dream for her. Garbine, Kerber and other girls may not have been that consistent but when on were always dangerous they've denied Serena of slams on a lot of occasions. She's literally struggling so much now. That's not even counting the 2000s where for example players like Henin beat her 3 times in a row at slams or Venus denying her of Wimbledon titles or the Clijsters USO fiasco.
I always thought that was AMAZING! Graf starts her serve holding TWO balls in one hand....she must have big hands! If her first serve is in, she plays the point holding the extra ball in hand! Would be impossible for a two handed backhand player!!!
DAYUM, good eye. I never saw that, never seen it, until just now. I don't think the announcers or commentators ever really pointed that out. I wonder if Steffi is the only one who's ever done that.
Sorry but Graf was known by fellow players to be cold and unfriendly during most of her career .. just look at her handshake with Martina at the net, Martina pats her on the shoulder but Graf was kind of cold to her ... thats why I never warmed to Graf during those days, she was really mechanical and unfriendly looking then ... now she's a lot nicer though ..
@@88feji Steffi was shy and aloof. But many of her haters seem to like to claim that she was cold back in the day. But I recall an interview from a few years ago (which I can no longer find unfortunately) that Lori McNeil said that she and Steffi were always friendly with each other and they still see each other often years after they retired. A lot of Steffi haters also like to make a big deal over how she gave quick handshakes. But that's how handshakes were back then. It was just a procedure whereas today it's all about putting on a big (and IMO fake and superficial) show. I remember at the 1989 Australian Open when Graf defeated Sukova, the two shared a very quick and abrupt looking handshake. But the two of them were laughing and chatting with each other during the trophy presentation. At the 1995 Birmingham event where Zina Garrison defeated her long-time friend McNeil, their handshake was just that. And there were no smiles, hugs, or kisses. In 1988, Navratilova was openly complaining to other WTA players in the locker room about someone needing to stop Graf. It seems to me that Martina set the tone for stand-offish interpersonal relationships with Steffi in spite of her attempts to display something different when it came to her handshakes. After this match, she also said some things in the press conference that indicates to me that her display of good sportsmanship wasn't exactly all that sincere. According to Sports Illustrated: "Regrettably, Navratilova refuses to acknowledge the champion's mettle, her superior competitiveness. In a graceless postmatch interview, she said that she herself had not played well and that Graf "swings for the fences...was lucky...hit so many unbelievable lines...hit a ball going to the rafters until it swirled in." Thanks, Martina. You all done now?"
Little did Steffi realize that in less than a year, a young teenage phenom named Monica Seles, would dethrone Graf and become the new World Number 1. Monica beat up Steffi pretty good. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Less than a year? What indeed was less than one year away was the nasty Graf Blackmail Scandal which changed tennis history. Steffi in her 1989 form most probably would have won a second Grand Slam in 1991 otherwise.
I love hearing Martina call the shots during the match that she's playing! You can hear her saying "That's too good" a few times on some of Steffi's winners 😁😁😁
@@joeyconvery2055 Steffi beat Monica with 10-5 h2h. And a 35 years old grandma Martina was good enough to beat peak Seles 7 times from 1990-93. Even before the stabbing Martina did beat Seles in France. Lol🤣🤣🤣
@@joeyconvery2055 Seles holds several #1 player records: 1) Worst slam final defeat ever (26 16 to Graf, Wimbledon 91). 2) Worst H2H against any opponent (2-5 vs. Graf). 3) Loss to the oldest player (Navratilova aged 36 years and 2 months, Paris 93). 4) Loss to the youngest player (Capriati aged 15 years and 4 months, San Diego 91). Her slam count is vastly inflated due to the Graf Blackmail Scandal.
@@carrerau7138 Blackmail scandal. 😆 😆 😆 Steffi was terrified of Monica...so terrified that Steffi wore diapers every time she played Monica. Monica scared the crap out of Steffi. Poor Steffi. 😆
That inside out Graf forehand all the way out of doubles alley is just ridiculous. At 5:19, she anticipated the serve but the swing was still so late and she was off the court and the ball passes Martina and it was still too good. Graf, the best women's tennis player, in my opinion. On a side note, if Martina had an even bigger serve along with her excellence at net, she would've won the most GS ever, that volleying skill is sick and unparalleled and it is unfortunately nonexistent.
I suppose the thing with the classic serve volleyers is that a lot of them deliberately didn't go for the biggest serves. Like Stefan edberg and pat rafter, Martina hit her serves with a lot of spin to allow her time to get to the net. The idea wasn't to hit an ace, but to get an easier first volley.
Arguably the best volley in history vs. the best forehand in history. Such fun to watch. But Steffi was really the changing of the guard, being one of the first to be able to neutralize the aggressive chip-and-charge tennis mastered by Martina. Steffi's forehand, knifing slice, and occasional-yet-effective topspin backhand brought in a new era. And her game was so clean. She constructed points brilliantly, disguised her shots well, and ran like a deer. She literally had no weaknesses. I have no doubt that if she played today, she'd still be #1.
Its a different game, full of extremely powerful hitters... the racquets back then enabled some really well put together points....nowadays, its im gonna hit right thru you....Seles ushered in the modern game we see today, that's why Graf struggled so much against Seles (still a winning record against her)
Her topspin backhand kind of disappeared after she broke her thumb in early 1990. She still hit it every now and then but not nearly as often and not nearly as well. Even Steffi's backhand passing shots that were slices were much better back then.
@@umarharith7234 After that accident, she started hitting her backhand much closer to her body than before. It was also a shorter motion which made it go from a hard and vicious slice backhand into a short and choppy one. During that time, two shorts of hers kind of disappeared: her down the line slice backhand and her topspin backhand. In 1995, she at long last amended the extension issue with her backhand and her down the line slice backhand came back in full force. But her topspin backhand never came back to the extent that she used it back in the 80s.
@@gk891 Steffi also did hit many top spin backhand during rallies in the 80's. If only she was able to produce top spin backhand down the line many many more while she was on tour in the 80's and 90's, she might be able to beat Monica, Martina and others much easier.
@@umarharith7234 Her slice backhand was very effective though. I remember Seles once said that Steffi's backhand never got the credit it deserved in terms of how tough it was. At the 1995 U.S Open final, Steffi hit some topspin backhands against Seles but it didn't always work very well. In the commentary booth, Navratilova said that Steffi really needed to be careful with that topspin backhand because it wasn't the right shot to use against Monica because it bounced higher. And that Steffi was better off slicing the ball as it stayed much lower through the court. It was the right shot to use against net rushers though.
Martina had a beautiful net game unmatched by any woman player. It's funny; I rooted against her early in her career only to pull for her later as a slight underdog :).
Bcuz they are two of the greatest female players of all time! Have you seen ALL the matches that were being played during that time on the tour between ALL players?
If you believe that you’ve never seen Wei or Andreescu play. I’m not taking anything away from either of these greats but the days of bash and smash are pretty well over with players like Andreescu who can pound away from the baseline with the best of them but also has a great fineness game with the drop shots, slices and lobs.
@@rickbateman2401 okay, so you named 1 player andreescu, i'm talking about the totality of the entire women's game.. where's the serve and volleyers, does andreescu willingly take the net, does she have a great volley or overhead? it's to the point that if a player has a one handed backhand or slices her backhand occassionally they are seen as having "variety" .. it's ridiculous for the 99% most part...what's even worse, is they don't even TRY to work on their games, or even TRY to change a losing game and strategy! they are so homogenized that they keep on playing the same way stroke after stroke, point after point and wonder why they lose a match! plan b? plan c? nope!...in closing, give me a great match from the 70's and 80's and 90's over today's matches anyday..
BEAUTIFUL AND ATTRACTIVE GAME...... BOTH PLAYERS IS ENERGY FULL STAMINA FULL PRACTICE FULL STRONG FULL AND POWERFUL..... IN THIS POSITION, WINER IS WONDERFUL.........
Awesome resolution on this clip thanks love seeing Steffi at the net and imposing her top spin backhand such a shame she didn't use this weapon more in 90s but with her skiing accident such a shame but she hardly came to the net I guess bc of the baseline hard hitters seles and crew. Graceful clip a long gone era. Ps doc from love boat wants his glasses back hehe.
I like both players but I most like steffi graf.my mother die hard fan of steffi. Steffi win my mother goosebumps reaction.my mother presented me one second hand wood tennis rocket me I never forgot. Because my mother loves steffi graf
I'd not deny improvement in women's game today. Levels rose considerably & play styles are changed accordingly. These two players are exceptional. As you felt @Andrew Moores, their skills make me feel as if they were machines. Net play by Martina is simply unbelievable. Even so, how Steffi finds space to maneuver her racket. Backhand down the line was so sharp & precise. The only option for Martina is send her appreciation. A great scene overall!!
You won't see a serve and volleyer at Navratilova's level in the women's game again. Or even Hana Mandlikova's level. Graf would love today's powerful racquets.
Yes, it's bliss to see a women's grand slam match without screaming, screeching or assorted weird noises. It's why, in the men's game for instance, no matter if his tally is overtaken, Federer will be the most loved of the big three.
bennett actually, I don't mind the grunts and noises...but it's not something I like either. It doesn't bother me either way. I pay attention the great play! I appreciate the nuisance and chess matches that go on inside the game. IMO, they same people who are bothered by grunts and screams are the same type who can't watch a great movie because the camera keeps moving or their is something in the background distracting them. Also, while I respect Federer a ton, he is beloved because tennis is a white players sport and he is white. Don't get me wrong, he is one of the best players ever and even a better person, but Rafa is just as good a person and just as good a player!
@@anthonyzarate9807 One who was loved and highly respected was Arthur Ashe, a black player and a great role model for any tennis player of any colour. Same for the much loved Yannick Noah. Same goes for Federer nowadays and Gael Monfils or Felix Auger Aliassime. They are liked because of their style of play, I would argue, and skin colour is becoming less and relevant. Rafa is a magnificent player with an iron will and an ability to bulldoze even great opponents, but purely as a matter of taste, I prefer those mentioned above because of their flair and finesse.
I can see how Serena game almost resembles steffi's staying at the baseline using power with versatility and angles. But she is also lethal at the net.... both Martina and Seffi were great players who abilities have changed the game of women's tennis
@@tonybennett4159 clearly something that has changed a developed into the world of tennis as the men do it as well. It give you strength to fight in rallies!
@@kaaunhall7781 There is no physiological proof that making a horrible racket aids shot making. Martina Navratilova once said that part of a tennis player's armoury is in listening to the sound made when an opponent hits the ball. It gives that little bit more information about the speed and the spin. She maintained, therefore that hiding that information was tantamount to cheating, which I have some sympathy for. Here on youtube, you can see a match where Dimitrov beat Federer, two beautiful stylists playing amazing tennis with only the crack of the ball on their racquets being heard. That is why, I think, that history will show that those two are loved while Nadal and Djokovic are admired.
It was great seeing Steffi figure out how to beat the serve & volley. Once she neutralized that, Martina really didn't have many other weapons to hurt her with.
I love that Graf would play with the second ball in her hand when she hit her first serve. You NEVER see players do that these days. And her inside out forehand was a revelation for women's tennis. But I will always love the Navratilova net game. I'm still sad racquet technology took that part of the game away from modern tennis.
i always held two balls on the first serve, since i started in the early 70's. so much more convenient than always stuffing a ball in your pants, and then retrieving it for a second serve. probably the main reason i never switched to a two hand backhand. but my backhand was never as good as Steffi's.
Great tennis with strategy and wonderful ball exchange. Not only Serve and volley. And you see Steffi has more then a forehand and a slice backhand. Both on a top fitness level. Excellent footwork from both, better then today the players. And this match was definitely not slow. For me is Steffi Graf the most elegant player ever in woman tennis.
legendary! graphite rackets be damned; they ruined the poetry of elegance and beauty of serve-n-volley on hard courts... obsession with power denies us the grace of the game. thank you for posting!
I still have a poster of her on my wall, capturing the split second when the ball has reached its highest point after her ball toss - her blue eyes to the sky, her ample boobs stretching the fabric of her shirt, the muscles of her tanned and toned legs visibly at work. The most beautiful view in sports of all time!
Masters of their time, one can hear Martina thinking: "Don't play at her forehand, don't play at her forehand...". Graf was said to play only backhand slice, but she was really good at BH spin, too, see here: 00:35, 04:46, 05:02, 10:11, 12:13. Incredible footwork from Graf to get on her forehand. Rather cold handshake, I guess they weren't best buddies then.
This is how well you need to play against Steffi, how long you can stay with her in the late 80’s and beat her! Martina lead 6-3, 4-2 playing the best tennis she ever did since a long time put 2 fingers to remind her she needs 2 more games after she holds for 4-2. She did win 2 more games but all coming in a wrong sequence. This is why Steffi is mentally tougher than Serena, when she was down she didnt show any emotions. ICE COLD while Serena start crying “I CANT HIT FIRST SERVE” whenever her opponents start drew blood on her. *coughing last 4 GS finals
@@bryguy0111 When Monica was number one, Steffi was not at her prime. A big part of that was because in early 1990, Steffi broke her thumb in a skiing accident. When she came back from that injury later that year, many noticed that she was hitting her groundstrokes much closer to her body than before. This was especially noticeable on her backhand as it went from a very hard and vicious slice backhand with a ton of block on it into a short and choppy one. Two shots of hers started to disappear at around that time: her down the line slice backhand and her topspin backhand which made her game very predictable. Also notice how Steffi hit awesome backhand passing shots against Navratilova in the late 1980s but hit very weak ones against Sabatini in the early 1990s. And as amazing as a net player as Sabatini was, Navratilova was better which indicates where Graf was with her game at that time. It wasn't until 1995 that Graf finally amended the extension issue with her backhand and she brought her down the line slice backhand back. And why did Navratilova have a mini meltdown? Why couldn't she hold it together? The best will do so. She couldn't because she was facing a player who was better than her at that time.
@@gk891 Stop it with the nonsense and delusion! Back in 1993 not even Steffi´s fans thought she could stop Monica Seles domination, which is why one of her fans stabbed her. An overly overweight and more mentally fragile Seles was still able to beat Graf after she returned
@@juanantoniobl7550 How exactly is what I said nonsensical or delusional? What I said was that Graf was not at her prime in the early 1990s because her groundstrokes had changed which is technically true. Nowhere did I say that if the skiing accident hadn't happened, Seles would have never overtaken Graf or that Graf still would've reigned supreme. I honestly don't know what would have happened if Steffi's game hadn't changed after breaking her thumb as I don't have a crystal ball. I's entirely possible that Seles would've overtaken Graf anyways. Or maybe Graf would've been able to have held Seles off. Or maybe they would've had a stunning rivalry where they traded titles and the #1 ranking. Who knows as It's all conjecture.
Graf has never been as dominant as Serena at her peak though. Look at the Olympics 2012. Graf never reached that dominance. Serena obliterates any competition at her peak level, once it returns next season, it'll be the same thing again. Not to mention Graf wouldn't have lasted against Seles with or without a broken thumb, Seles was the next level at that time and Steffi was already getting slower. Either way, Graf, Serena, Martina, Monica all are phenomenal players and monumental to the popularity of the sport or the evolving of the sport.
@@hazori3231 While I agree that Graf, Williams, Navratilova, and Seles are all phenomenal players and were monumental to the development of the sport, it's only your own speculation that Graf wouldn't have lasted against Seles, with or without her game changing due to her thumb injury. In the early 1990s, Seles was 4-3 against Graf and Graf was not near her best. She was hitting her backhand crosscourt almost all of the time and leaning in too close to the ball when hitting it. Not to mention she wasn't opening the face of her racket nearly as well as she did before. Severe slice backhands were a key weapon against Seles but Steffi did ok in her head to head against Seles during the early 1990s with a second rate slice backhand. I personally think with her 1988-1989 or 1995-1996 backhand, their rivalry would've been much more intense.
Back in the day, when I was just a kid, I was rooting for Steffi but nowadays I love watching both and their contrasting styles, I miss those years. Anyway, I feel Navratilova should have won that open, when she steamrolled through the draw and just barely let a superb Graf escape.
This was a fantastic comeback from Graf proving a match is NEVER over until you shake hands. Martina got tight and Steffi sensed it. Graf only 20 in her Prime and Martina was 32 at this time. Graf lead slam final wins 4-2 in their rivalry. In the end Graf over powered Martina.
These ladies knows how to play tennis. Both simply worlds best. And this is what i called tennis.
The thing I really appreciate about Martina is how respectful she is as a competitor. She would never hesitate to clap or say "too good" on an opponent's nice shot. You could tell that she really enjoyed competition.
I think some of it in this match was a bit of a nervous tick. She'd done a lot of work with Billie Jean king about ways to deal with pressure and "enjoy" it more. Martina as always was a very, very competitive person. Her real emotions come out at the end of the match I think.
Navratilova was not beyond smearing opponents in press conferences and interviews.
Unfortunately, she could be very unpleasant off court. Her comments a few years ago about Conchita Martinez being an example.
`I completely agree. A wonderful display of sportsmanship from one of the fiercest competitors in women's tennis.
Not only Her.
Steffi did Samething
So nice and quiet when they played. Obviously great tennis as well. Graf is my favorite tennis player of all time.
I believe this is one of the best matches ever played. it's fantastic! Full of winners!
Steffi Grafs footwork was incredible for all of her career.
This volleying skills are unmatched. Paired perfectly with Martina lefty serve. Graf also a legend in her own right.
One of the finest and greatest matches I have ever watched. Fabulous !!!!!!thanks for posting...I don't think we can witness any thing like this with the current generation players or any one in future...true sportsmanship from both the Legends
Agreed, they really try to market eye candy these days.
Love to see both of them play. What amazing players were they. Miss their game
Both of these ladies were just incredible. This was the era when women’s tennis really became competitive. That whole generation of players took the game technically to where it still is today.
this was the era in which women's tennis was more interesting than male tennis. this is the tennis we used to love. then it all changed. I think that most of the interest was due to a player like Navratilova, coming from two eras before. Very fashinating.
WOW thirty years ago. I would never have seen a glimpse of this without TH-cam.
Yep. I was a youngster when watching this! I remember too! Like it was yesterday. The following yr, Pete Sampras won 90' US open. I remember that as well
What was amazing about Graf is what she was able to accomplish in a 16 year career. Evert played professional tennis for 19 years, Serena for 27 years and Navratilova for 32 years. If you have equally good players, it only makes sense that the one who plays longer will accomplish more things, but Graf had the shorter career and yet still holds many records, and is within striking distance of many others. Who knows what she could have done had she played 19, 27 or 32 years? She also achieved everything she did, in that 16 years, while contending with Evert (10 times, late in Evert's career), Navratilova (16 times) and Monica Seles. All players regarded as among the best of all time.
Also depends whether your body and athleticism can be maintained. Navratilova is easily 1 generation / 1.5 gens older than Graf.
Navratilova played 21 years in singles.... where did you get 32 years from? and in that 21 years, she accomplished most of her achievement within the first 12 - 15 years (basically all of her slams singles, doubles and singles and doubles records). Also, in that 21 years, Navratilova didn't play 12 Australian Opens and 8-9 French Opens. I'm not sure what you're getting your information
@@AlbanyConcierge Martina played her first professional match in 1973 and her last one at Wimbledon 2004.
But Graf had her main rival sidelines. Think of how many LESS grand slam tournaments she would have won.
How many times martina appreciates steffi during the match.. amazing sportsmanship
What she said afterwards in the press conference makes me wonder how sincere she was being though.
gk891 what did old fart say
@@fuckurbody According to Sports Illustrated, Navratilova said "Regrettably, Navratilova refuses to acknowledge the champion's mettle, her superior competitiveness. In a graceless postmatch interview, she said that she herself had not played well and that Graf "swings for the fences...was lucky...hit so many unbelievable lines...hit a ball going to the rafters until it swirled in." Thanks, Martina. You all done now?"
@@gk891 That to me was more of a heat of the moment situation. Martina for the most part always spoke highly of Steffi.
Why say 'too good' so many times? Dunno, felt a bit disingenuous to me. Don't think she liked being beat up. (who does?)
Steffi was pure grace and power. The best and most fun to watch.
Martina is true legend for her sportsman ship. Those were the times when the power tennis era just began...
This match was oozing SKILL from both sides! So beautiful to watch... haven't seen this kind of tennis since the Henin-Capriati match in 2003.
Two magnificent tennis legends. Love their all court plays.
Monica beat up both Steffi and Martina.
They still have the bruises. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Between Monica and Steffi, the most lopsided scores are 6-0, 6-1 and 6-2, 6-1. Steffi won both matches. Monica still has ZERO Wimbledon titles.
@LDVTennis Monica only played Wimbledon 3 times before the stabbing...
Steffi played Wimbledon in 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 and finally won in 1988.
Of course Monica would have won Wimbledon if she never left the tour...she was only 18 years old in 1992. She was an amazing prodigy and dethroned Graf.
16 year old Monica beat Steffi in 3 Major finals as a teen..beating Graf in straight sets at the French Open and at the Berlin Open.
Monica is the GOAT!
Poor Steffi. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 ... Just because Steffi won Wimbledon on her 5th attempt does NOT mean that Monica would have won on her 4th or 5th attempt. It does NOT work that way.
Steffi was the better athlete and shotmaker, attributes that made her the better player on grass.
... To you, Monica is the GOAT. Poor you!!!
To everyone else, Monica has ZERO Wimbledon Titles, ZERO Calendar Grand Slams, and ZERO Golden Slams. ... Oh yeah, she also made women's tennis look bad by moaning and overeating. 🤣
@LDVTennis Monica's greatest strength was her incredible mental toughness.
Graf was very weak mentally.
From May 1990 til Jan 1993, Monica WON 8 Majors..and she was still a teen.
Steffi LOST 9 Majors during that same time period....again, LOST 9 Majors!
Steffi was terrified of Monica..because Monica beat her up good. 😆 🤣
I can’t even believe these skills founded in this period from these two players . It’s unbelievable
Was für ein Match! 😍 Großartig!
That's a typical text book form of tennis, amazing to watch both legends playing..
Beautiful memory...I am from India...in 1989 I was 14 years old. I watched all these matches live. Those days were nostalgic.. congrats to u from my TH-cam channel. The olden days were golden days.
Both are great champions. Martina truly loves the sport and Steffi game was like a gazelle running in the woods. Both legends of tennis
2022..re-watching this match that I was glued to as a teen. Steffi has such an awesome style of tennis, timeless!
I loved watching tennis during this era. All the strategy - whether or not to come to the net, passing shots, impossible angles, lobs, drop shots, etc. Once the equipment changed and it became nothing more than two players standing at the baselines grunting and whaling away for interminable exchanges until one finally made an "unforced error". That's when they lost me.
The way this is not true, I can tell when someone's living in that 90s nostalgia bubble and doesn't really watch tennis today
@GoTeam What do I need to back up? " ItS TrUe" Is backing it up? This nonsense generalization of bitter old people who don't even watch the product today and feel the need to compare everything? Speaking of rubbish maybe you hear yourself and why are you taking it so personally this isn't even a dig at anyone here lmao maybe the shoe fits
Two of the GOATS right there. Steffi was the fastest ladies player ever with the best forehand and Martina was the greatest attacking and volleying player ever in women's tennis.
And the 2 best athletes
This was not fair for the fact that Martina was 33 and at the tail end of her career (IMO past her prime) and Graf was 20 and in he absolute physical and mental prime. Remember, she won the GOLDEN SLAM in 1988! Martina won 17 of her 18 Major singles titles by 1987. She was able to still win 1 more Wimbledon in 1990, but that is just because she was so DOMINANT on grass!
Remember when she played against Connors? Boy did Connors have his hands full in the 1st set! He eventually wore her down but she really did make him work.
....aside from Court.... of course
@@stephenwright1476 ... She won seven of her eleven Australian Open titles before the open era. She was great, for sure, but I don't see her as the greatest. Besides, it's hard to compare players from different eras. The all-time greats were great, period.
@@anthonyzarate9807 would you please note that conners was given 1 serve only and she could hit in the doubles alley. Big difference
One of my favourite matches, two legends, classic match up, thankyou!
hill 42 what about Graf vs Venus? Wimbledon 99
@@andrrrandrrr9335 yep that's a classic match too, shame there isnt highlights on here
hill 42 hill it was but somebody report or removed the highlight....
I agree ... 2 greats !
Years went by, Steffi, you are the best? Miss seeing her on the court.
A fantastic match. Strategy, play, counter response- all superb.
This is one of my favourite Grand Slam women finals ever!!!!
The point at 10:56 = Perfect example of the why Steffi has the Best Footwork in Tennis
A testament to Graf's survival skills, as well as all the other obvious abilities. When you look at the beauty of her play in that first set, you wonder how Navratilova lost that match. You also may ask whether Navratilova tired a bit, mentally as much as physically. Her game style meant she in some ways had to really focus hard as she had so little time to make decisions. To do that for three sets against someone who forced you to position the ball perfectly because of their speed and power, must have been a tall order.
Serve + volley all the time is exhausting, so she may have let down her game in the third set. Couldn't wind it down because she's to aggressive and eager to attack...
@@happyherbert1984 yep, I think Navratilova was caught to some extent between two eras. She learned her game with wood, when if you wanted to be aggressive you had to come forward as you couldn't as easily hit winners from the baseline. Coming forward was therefore in some ways less risky than trying to hit winners from deep positions with small racket heads. When the rackets changed, to begin with she was playing against players who had also trained with wood, so it didn't make much difference as they hadn't learned to use the extra power at their disposal. But then when Graf came along, Navratilova was suddenly a player without an aggressive baseline game who was forced to come forward to win points, and that meant a huge amount of lunging and diving against powerful returns and big groundstrokes. Against Evert it was always a case of toying with each other in positional play for her to engineer a chance to approach. There was less time to do that when the players who'd learned aggressive baseline games came along. That must have been tiring on the knees and the mind as everything happened so quick. On top of that she played doubles. It pains me to say but I don't think Martina could have played like that today. She'd have needed to make life easier for herself with more flat, powerful serves and flat, powerful baseline winners.
martina had sick volleying skills .. made it look so easy .. almost nonexistent on today's women's tour
Because the nylon string revolution completely changed the game, reducing the value of net play considerably.
Why women's tour? Outside of Fed nobody in the mens tour volleys as well as Martina either
@@wonderlandian8465 this is true yes
Wonderlandian
She’s my fav female tennis player of all time! I really love it when she plays mixed doubles paired with one of the Bryan bro’s! She taught em everything she knows!!
Martina tenía el medio guañaño
Amazing final between two of the best female tennis athletes of all time battling for the 1989 US Open. Serve & Volley vs. Baseline Power!
Steffi’s forehand winners were fire 🔥 especially at 5:20 and 10:56. Amazing how powerful her forehand winner was against Martina’s difficult lefty slice serve swerving into her right hip. Steffi’s lightning speed and footwork allowed her to run around and hit her famous forehand from the extreme backhand corner. I know it’s all about her athleticism, timing and effortless technique. I can’t help but compare Steffi’s godly forehand to powerful forehands today where you can see how much effort current players exert to generate power while taking advantage of racquet and string innovations.
I wonder how Steffi’s forehand, which is the greatest forehand ever, would look in the modern game with all the racquet/string technology. Combined with her athleticism and uncanny accuracy, it would be a more heavier and deadlier forehand! Her backhand slice was the best ever too! No one, not even current players today (with the exception of Roger Federer), can hit a knifing slice like Steffi. With racquet/string innovations, it would be “Death by a Thousand Cuts”!
If I could put both Steffi and Serena in the same era (either in the late 80s to mid 90s or in 2000s at their very best), I’d go anywhere to see the Greatest Forehand vs. the Best Serve battle it out and compete for grand slam titles!!!
Monica beat up Steffi. 😆
@Max E You probably think I hate Steffi...and I Do Not!
I like Steffi....she is an amazing athlete and tennis player..
I don't understand why you won't give any credit to Monica for beating up Steffi. 😆
Have a nice weekend Max.
When Tennis was Beautiful, Miss you Steffi👏👏👏♥️♥️♥️
Also love these classic games but I think tennis is still beautiful
And miss you Martina, wonderful serve and volley
Oliver McCall top players they always have some signature moves. It may end up a bit less spontaneous I agree
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It got political
Thank you for the video displaying my girl Stefanie Graf's amazingness.
Thanks for posting! Great highlights, beautiful tennis by both. Miss the court-level perspective too.
THIS is what I call tennis.
Coach of the titans
Clash
This is what i call badminton
@@ΚωνσταντινοςΚαραλης-ω8ψ 🤣🤣🤣
@Max E Actually i mean it in an ironic sense,that compared to seles and williams sisters power tennis,it is pretty boring,and less demanding.
Sadly no one plays like these two nowadays, so much skill and finess, especisally from Martina.
Her vollying is absolutely sensational!!
Never thought I will have chance to watch it again after 32 years.
That time I am 10 year old boy. Now a middle aged man
Love everything Martina does with a racquet. Beautiful game!
Me too and I also love how she applauded her opponent's winners with her racquet and hand. She did that a lot!
Slice backhand in todays game wont cut it unfortunately
This is for me what makes utube fantastic. If its clean and out there 2c utube has it. Serve and volley baby, the way tennis was made to be played. Not so long ago, but it was the good ole days of tennis. Thanks for the upload.
Steffi Graf was an incredibly smart player
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Truly good see tennis those days So wonderful to see Steffi Graf she was entering tennis and Matin Navratilova was at end are career what good admiration she giving to Steffi Graf during the match wow really great we use see matches worth watch thank you who has uploaded 🙏🙏🙏
I would have watched this video evn if it was for 3 hrs ! Pure class
People love to say steffi only won because she was playing ‘over the hill Martina’ - for context, Martina here is the career equivalent/same age as 2014 era Federer, 2017 era Nadal and 2019 era Djoker.
In 1989 Navratilova had the 6th-highest winning percentage of her career.
Between June 1989 and April 1990 she had a 67-3 win/loss streak. Those 3 losses all were against Steffi, in all Martina won a set.
If that is not peak….
The Navratilova glasses WILL come back one day as part of Hipster culture in Berlin.
ha they have
Martina Navratilova is the most complete female tennis player ever, regardless of the number of Grand Slams won. Awesome power and skills.
Navratilova truly has some of the best hands I've ever seen. It's a great combination to have both amazing athleticism as well as stunning touch and feel for the ball.
@@gk891 I feel if she had tried earlier in her earlier career, she could have won the largest number of Grand Slam titles, but to me, she's my female NO1 and the male NO1 is by far Roger Federer as far as the most complete male player goes.
Ms. Serve and volley and very quiet. No grunts, no shouting. You can't hardly find nowadays.
I mean they also hit 50 kmh faster on every stroke than in this match.
@@hazori3231 heavier racquets here for Graf and Navratilova than these days, the girls now would scream even louder with the effort to use them, it's just a shouting match these days
Osaka n andreescu recent champs changing the trend. Future is bright
* you CAN hardly..
@coffeeinthemorning Yes, all non-sportsmanship and dishonest, the screaming and howling.
Enthralling match and incredible tennis skills from two great champions of the game played with good sportsmanship.
When the ladies knew how to serve, played their backhand with 1 hand, weren't afraid to come to the net, and DIDN'T SCREAM THEIR LUNGS OUT!
Seles dominated Graf
i second that..
@Michael Nemeth why do you think there was a stabbing fool
These girls play like men, better than 99% of male tennis clubers
@Nepoleon Khwairakpam you're a fool. Seles was just starting out when she had those losses. She began DOMINATING Graf later on in every match.
This is when tennis was great to watch. Extremely talented players using the right equipment to show off their skills. Their is actually strategy going on instead of the mindless banging of the ball that you see in today's game.
True. Tennis has made a backwards development since the 1980´s.
No shot in tennis is mindless. They all are hit with intent to accomplish something. If you played you would know that. Js
Because of change in racquet technology and strings. What do you want them to do?
Women’s tennis hasn’t improved lately...these two women were incredible. ❤️
You guys are delusional if you think this level is better than today level. The @usopen Semifinals 1991 Between Graf vs Navratilova and Seles vs Capriati, was at the time seen as the highest level semifinals ever played. Those matche are is so many levels below the women's semifinals at. US open in 2020. A totally different level of power and athletic playing .
Modern racquets allow players to put a lot more power and topspin to their shots, they can hit rockets from the baseline. Was not possible back then.
@Max E I'll be fair
Pulling off a few upsets does not automatically mean winning multiple slams and those upsets were in smaller tournaments.
Date would of probably won nothing big even in her prime for even if she were to make it deep she'd have to face Serena a lot of the time
Steffi would of dominated but she struggled a bit against big hitters like Pierce and this era being full of them it wouldn't of been the cakewalk you're making it seem.
It got even tougher post 2017. No Serena fan but she's still a good server and ball striker which makes her somewhat of a threat but it's not that easy as she wouldn't be struggling the way she is.
@Max E Again, how does beating them on off days in smaller tournaments correlate to winning 7 matches in a row at slams? And taking a set off Venus in the 2010s is not impressive as she was struggling with Sjogrens and honestly almost anyone was beating her.
Big hitters because of Davenport and upcoming Serena and Venus. It took SV and Sabattini a lot of meetings to string together some wins. Pierce was inconsistent but when on was dangerous, now think of a generation with several big hitters and servers at the same time. It wouldn't of been easy.
See Steffi is the greatest of all time. She had all the tools for survival even today but to say other women of the 90s were better players is simply not true, better how? Weak serves, loopy forehands? (The racquet technology isn't that vast as Venus was hitting 125 mph aces in 1998 as a teenager) These are the kind of players 2010s Serena would of feasted on A literal dream for her. Garbine, Kerber and other girls may not have been that consistent but when on were always dangerous they've denied Serena of slams on a lot of occasions. She's literally struggling so much now. That's not even counting the 2000s where for example players like Henin beat her 3 times in a row at slams or Venus denying her of Wimbledon titles or the Clijsters USO fiasco.
Not these same stale arguments again lol
I always thought that was AMAZING! Graf starts her serve holding TWO balls in one hand....she must have big hands! If her first serve is in, she plays the point holding the extra ball in hand! Would be impossible for a two handed backhand player!!!
WOW!
Some players used to hold the 2nd ball in their hand and chuck it behind them if unneeded but now that is against the rules and called a let.
wow. and all these years of being a Steffi fan and I did not notice that. that is amazing.
@@Kevinsf I grew up loving her style in late 80's early 90's....enjoyed all her battles against Navratilova, Seles, and Sanchez Vicarrio!!
😁
DAYUM, good eye. I never saw that, never seen it, until just now. I don't think the announcers or commentators ever really pointed that out. I wonder if Steffi is the only one who's ever done that.
Just love Steffi Graf. She can serve and volley, too! Awesome tennis. Steffi Graf - you are simply the best! 😘
Sorry but Graf was known by fellow players to be cold and unfriendly during most of her career .. just look at her handshake with Martina at the net, Martina pats her on the shoulder but Graf was kind of cold to her ... thats why I never warmed to Graf during those days, she was really mechanical and unfriendly looking then ... now she's a lot nicer though ..
@@88feji Steffi was shy and aloof. But many of her haters seem to like to claim that she was cold back in the day. But I recall an interview from a few years ago (which I can no longer find unfortunately) that Lori McNeil said that she and Steffi were always friendly with each other and they still see each other often years after they retired. A lot of Steffi haters also like to make a big deal over how she gave quick handshakes. But that's how handshakes were back then. It was just a procedure whereas today it's all about putting on a big (and IMO fake and superficial) show. I remember at the 1989 Australian Open when Graf defeated Sukova, the two shared a very quick and abrupt looking handshake. But the two of them were laughing and chatting with each other during the trophy presentation. At the 1995 Birmingham event where Zina Garrison defeated her long-time friend McNeil, their handshake was just that. And there were no smiles, hugs, or kisses.
In 1988, Navratilova was openly complaining to other WTA players in the locker room about someone needing to stop Graf. It seems to me that Martina set the tone for stand-offish interpersonal relationships with Steffi in spite of her attempts to display something different when it came to her handshakes. After this match, she also said some things in the press conference that indicates to me that her display of good sportsmanship wasn't exactly all that sincere. According to Sports Illustrated: "Regrettably, Navratilova refuses to acknowledge the champion's mettle, her superior competitiveness. In a graceless postmatch interview, she said that she herself had not played well and that Graf "swings for the fences...was lucky...hit so many unbelievable lines...hit a ball going to the rafters until it swirled in." Thanks, Martina. You all done now?"
@Max E I wonder why the Western public loves the shallow superficiality so much.
Little did Steffi realize that in less than a year, a young teenage phenom named Monica Seles, would dethrone Graf and become the new World Number 1.
Monica beat up Steffi pretty good. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Less than a year?
What indeed was less than one year away was the nasty Graf Blackmail Scandal which changed tennis history.
Steffi in her 1989 form most probably would have won a second Grand Slam in 1991 otherwise.
Tennis of high quality. Legends of their era.
I love hearing Martina call the shots during the match that she's playing! You can hear her saying "That's too good" a few times on some of Steffi's winners 😁😁😁
She constantly did that.
She was always respectful of her opponents great shots.
great sportswomanship
@Max E no way. it was sincere. the shots were too good!! wish players still did that
@@nickhorgan4349 When you look at what Navratilova said during the press conference afterwards, I very much question her sincerity.
so many beautiful tennis points, both women showing off so many incredible shots
No grunts and screams 😮. Absolutely beautiful 😊.
Monica beat up Martina and Steffi. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Steffi beat Monica with 10-5 h2h.
And a 35 years old grandma Martina was good enough to beat peak Seles 7 times from 1990-93. Even before the stabbing Martina did beat Seles in France. Lol🤣🤣🤣
@@rajusaha855 Martina beat the hell out of Steffi...and then Monica came along and beat the hell out of Martina and Steffi.
Poor Martina and Steffi. 😆
@@joeyconvery2055 Seles holds several #1 player records:
1) Worst slam final defeat ever (26 16 to Graf, Wimbledon 91).
2) Worst H2H against any opponent (2-5 vs. Graf).
3) Loss to the oldest player (Navratilova aged 36 years and 2 months, Paris 93).
4) Loss to the youngest player (Capriati aged 15 years and 4 months, San Diego 91).
Her slam count is vastly inflated due to the Graf Blackmail Scandal.
@@carrerau7138 Blackmail scandal. 😆 😆 😆
Steffi was terrified of Monica...so terrified that Steffi wore diapers every time she played Monica.
Monica scared the crap out of Steffi.
Poor Steffi. 😆
I enjoy having Martina back Tennis Channel. She adds a lot.
That inside out Graf forehand all the way out of doubles alley is just ridiculous. At 5:19, she anticipated the serve but the swing was still so late and she was off the court and the ball passes Martina and it was still too good. Graf, the best women's tennis player, in my opinion.
On a side note, if Martina had an even bigger serve along with her excellence at net, she would've won the most GS ever, that volleying skill is sick and unparalleled and it is unfortunately nonexistent.
Roberto Payao the one she hit at 2:55 is just sick MN looked stunned!
I suppose the thing with the classic serve volleyers is that a lot of them deliberately didn't go for the biggest serves. Like Stefan edberg and pat rafter, Martina hit her serves with a lot of spin to allow her time to get to the net. The idea wasn't to hit an ace, but to get an easier first volley.
Arguably the best volley in history vs. the best forehand in history. Such fun to watch.
But Steffi was really the changing of the guard, being one of the first to be able to neutralize the aggressive chip-and-charge tennis mastered by Martina. Steffi's forehand, knifing slice, and occasional-yet-effective topspin backhand brought in a new era. And her game was so clean. She constructed points brilliantly, disguised her shots well, and ran like a deer. She literally had no weaknesses. I have no doubt that if she played today, she'd still be #1.
Tennis is no longer a thinking game
Its a different game, full of extremely powerful hitters... the racquets back then enabled some really well put together points....nowadays, its im gonna hit right thru you....Seles ushered in the modern game we see today, that's why Graf struggled so much against Seles (still a winning record against her)
Her backhand was her weakness
@@Sonsbitchesall I thought her backhand was her greatest strength. I love the way it skidded off of the court and put players off balance.
@@americanwoman445 Horsesqueeze. Strategy and thinking will always be a component in any sport. Period.
Que hermoso verlas de nuevo, los ídolas de infancia ♥️🙏🏼💪🏼
Steffi produced many awesome top spin backhand passing shots in the match.... really miss those in her later matches in 1990s.
Her topspin backhand kind of disappeared after she broke her thumb in early 1990. She still hit it every now and then but not nearly as often and not nearly as well. Even Steffi's backhand passing shots that were slices were much better back then.
@@gk891 Yeah I guess Steffi was not the same player after the ski accident. Then Monica came along with her mental strength.
@@umarharith7234 After that accident, she started hitting her backhand much closer to her body than before. It was also a shorter motion which made it go from a hard and vicious slice backhand into a short and choppy one. During that time, two shorts of hers kind of disappeared: her down the line slice backhand and her topspin backhand. In 1995, she at long last amended the extension issue with her backhand and her down the line slice backhand came back in full force. But her topspin backhand never came back to the extent that she used it back in the 80s.
@@gk891 Steffi also did hit many top spin backhand during rallies in the 80's. If only she was able to produce top spin backhand down the line many many more while she was on tour in the 80's and 90's, she might be able to beat Monica, Martina and others much easier.
@@umarharith7234 Her slice backhand was very effective though. I remember Seles once said that Steffi's backhand never got the credit it deserved in terms of how tough it was. At the 1995 U.S Open final, Steffi hit some topspin backhands against Seles but it didn't always work very well. In the commentary booth, Navratilova said that Steffi really needed to be careful with that topspin backhand because it wasn't the right shot to use against Monica because it bounced higher. And that Steffi was better off slicing the ball as it stayed much lower through the court. It was the right shot to use against net rushers though.
Martina had a beautiful net game unmatched by any woman player. It's funny; I rooted against her early in her career only to pull for her later as a slight underdog :).
INFINTELY WAAAY WAY MORE EXCITING AND INTERESTING THAT ANY WOMAN'S MATCH TODAY!..
Bcuz they are two of the greatest female players of all time! Have you seen ALL the matches that were being played during that time on the tour between ALL players?
And quieter, too! No shrieking!
Bullshit!!
If you believe that you’ve never seen Wei or Andreescu play. I’m not taking anything away from either of these greats but the days of bash and smash are pretty well over with players like Andreescu who can pound away from the baseline with the best of them but also has a great fineness game with the drop shots, slices and lobs.
@@rickbateman2401 okay, so you named 1 player andreescu, i'm talking about the totality of the entire women's game.. where's the serve and volleyers, does andreescu willingly take the net, does she have a great volley or overhead? it's to the point that if a player has a one handed backhand or slices her backhand occassionally they are seen as having "variety" .. it's ridiculous for the 99% most part...what's even worse, is they don't even TRY to work on their games, or even TRY to change a losing game and strategy! they are so homogenized that they keep on playing the same way stroke after stroke, point after point and wonder why they lose a match! plan b? plan c? nope!...in closing, give me a great match from the 70's and 80's and 90's over today's matches anyday..
wooow, excellent players. I don´t know which choose. Really both was so great. :D
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Best Ladies Tennis ever played back in the day ❤️
BEAUTIFUL AND ATTRACTIVE GAME......
BOTH PLAYERS IS ENERGY FULL STAMINA FULL PRACTICE FULL STRONG FULL AND POWERFUL.....
IN THIS POSITION, WINER IS WONDERFUL.........
Quality of then women tennis is much higher than of todays. Placement of shots, footwork, passing shots are excellent, comparable with mens tennis
Awesome resolution on this clip thanks love seeing Steffi at the net and imposing her top spin backhand such a shame she didn't use this weapon more in 90s but with her skiing accident such a shame but she hardly came to the net I guess bc of the baseline hard hitters seles and crew. Graceful clip a long gone era. Ps doc from love boat wants his glasses back hehe.
I like both players but I most like steffi graf.my mother die hard fan of steffi. Steffi win my mother goosebumps reaction.my mother presented me one second hand wood tennis rocket me I never forgot. Because my mother loves steffi graf
0:34 Oh God, imagine if Steffi had used that deadly topspin backhand throughout her carrier more...
She did pretty well with a slice BH,so…
Her BH slice was the weapon that aligned her game towards her massive forehand.
Amazing ..check out Martina vs Steffi in the earlier us open like 86/87 ..a young Steffi coming through .both amazing players
So much better than anything we see from the women these days.
I'd not deny improvement in women's game today. Levels rose considerably & play styles are changed accordingly.
These two players are exceptional. As you felt @Andrew Moores, their skills make me feel as if they were machines. Net play by Martina is simply unbelievable. Even so, how Steffi finds space to maneuver her racket. Backhand down the line was so sharp & precise. The only option for Martina is send her appreciation. A great scene overall!!
Not really.
Nonsense!!! says who? you? I like fast moving game. this is way too slow to watch. like power and speed.
what, that slow and lame tennis, u giving joke, either u blink or u joking
You won't see a serve and volleyer at Navratilova's level in the women's game again. Or even Hana Mandlikova's level. Graf would love today's powerful racquets.
Great to hear the ball being hit - one of the pleasures of watching tennis , denied us today by the screaming amazons.
Yessssssss
So true
Yes, it's bliss to see a women's grand slam match without screaming, screeching or assorted weird noises. It's why, in the men's game for instance, no matter if his tally is overtaken, Federer will be the most loved of the big three.
bennett actually, I don't mind the grunts and noises...but it's not something I like either. It doesn't bother me either way. I pay attention the great play! I appreciate the nuisance and chess matches that go on inside the game. IMO, they same people who are bothered by grunts and screams are the same type who can't watch a great movie because the camera keeps moving or their is something in the background distracting them.
Also, while I respect Federer a ton, he is beloved because tennis is a white players sport and he is white. Don't get me wrong, he is one of the best players ever and even a better person, but Rafa is just as good a person and just as good a player!
@@anthonyzarate9807 One who was loved and highly respected was Arthur Ashe, a black player and a great role model for any tennis player of any colour. Same for the much loved Yannick Noah. Same goes for Federer nowadays and Gael Monfils or Felix Auger Aliassime. They are liked because of their style of play, I would argue, and skin colour is becoming less and relevant.
Rafa is a magnificent player with an iron will and an ability to bulldoze even great opponents, but purely as a matter of taste, I prefer those mentioned above because of their flair and finesse.
I can see how Serena game almost resembles steffi's staying at the baseline using power with versatility and angles. But she is also lethal at the net.... both Martina and Seffi were great players who abilities have changed the game of women's tennis
Unfortunately, their ability to hit the ball without added sound effects has NOT been followed.
@@tonybennett4159 clearly something that has changed a developed into the world of tennis as the men do it as well. It give you strength to fight in rallies!
@@kaaunhall7781 There is no physiological proof that making a horrible racket aids shot making. Martina Navratilova once said that part of a tennis player's armoury is in listening to the sound made when an opponent hits the ball. It gives that little bit more information about the speed and the spin. She maintained, therefore that hiding that information was tantamount to cheating, which I have some sympathy for.
Here on youtube, you can see a match where Dimitrov beat Federer, two beautiful stylists playing amazing tennis with only the crack of the ball on their racquets being heard. That is why, I think, that history will show that those two are loved while Nadal and Djokovic are admired.
@@tonybennett4159 clearly you dont play tennis
@@kaaunhall7781 I played for almost 50 years winning the odd trophy here and there, but only at club level. Nice try, though.
It was great seeing Steffi figure out how to beat the serve & volley. Once she neutralized that, Martina really didn't have many other weapons to hurt her with.
I love that Graf would play with the second ball in her hand when she hit her first serve. You NEVER see players do that these days. And her inside out forehand was a revelation for women's tennis. But I will always love the Navratilova net game. I'm still sad racquet technology took that part of the game away from modern tennis.
@ronlippitt The tool is never more important than the one who yields it!
I saw this guy in my league hold second ball in his hand a couple years ago so I started doing it. makes match go along faster. Lol...
i always held two balls on the first serve, since i started in the early 70's. so much more convenient than always stuffing a ball in your pants, and then retrieving it for a second serve. probably the main reason i never switched to a two hand backhand. but my backhand was never as good as Steffi's.
Great tennis with strategy and wonderful ball exchange. Not only Serve and volley. And you see Steffi has more then a forehand and a slice backhand. Both on a top fitness level. Excellent footwork from both, better then today the players. And this match was definitely not slow. For me is Steffi Graf the most elegant player ever in woman tennis.
Are you guys both GERMANS?
legendary! graphite rackets be damned; they ruined the poetry of elegance and beauty of serve-n-volley on hard courts... obsession with power denies us the grace of the game. thank you for posting!
Graf and Navratilova are using graphite racquets here.
Steffi Grafs serve was a thing of beauty...
I still have a poster of her on my wall, capturing the split second when the ball has reached its highest point after her ball toss - her blue eyes to the sky, her ample boobs stretching the fabric of her shirt, the muscles of her tanned and toned legs visibly at work.
The most beautiful view in sports of all time!
So different and fun to watch
.. epitome of beauty and skills !
Great match. Martina N was a force, those volleys were a thing of beauty. Graf was of course Graf.
Masters of their time, one can hear Martina thinking: "Don't play at her forehand, don't play at her forehand...". Graf was said to play only backhand slice, but she was really good at BH spin, too, see here: 00:35, 04:46, 05:02, 10:11, 12:13.
Incredible footwork from Graf to get on her forehand.
Rather cold handshake, I guess they weren't best buddies then.
Somehow they played without shrieking. I do miss that.
NOT Seles, the greatest player EVER who was cheated from the greatest career by Peter.
@@rlgnoles1 Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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It's supposed to be a dignified sport.you want grunting, watch football
I hope you got the likes you needed
Thanks for uploading this video
Great tennis. Both wonderful players.
Wow, Martina Navratilova really enjoyed tennis. She also smiled at Steffi's great winning points.
that's good tennis. glad to be able to watch it again
Amazing players both of them
Love both of these ladies!
Now I remember just how great those days were.
This is how well you need to play against Steffi, how long you can stay with her in the late 80’s and beat her! Martina lead 6-3, 4-2 playing the best tennis she ever did since a long time put 2 fingers to remind her she needs 2 more games after she holds for 4-2. She did win 2 more games but all coming in a wrong sequence.
This is why Steffi is mentally tougher than Serena, when she was down she didnt show any emotions. ICE COLD while Serena start crying “I CANT HIT FIRST SERVE” whenever her opponents start drew blood on her. *coughing last 4 GS finals
@@bryguy0111 When Monica was number one, Steffi was not at her prime. A big part of that was because in early 1990, Steffi broke her thumb in a skiing accident. When she came back from that injury later that year, many noticed that she was hitting her groundstrokes much closer to her body than before. This was especially noticeable on her backhand as it went from a very hard and vicious slice backhand with a ton of block on it into a short and choppy one. Two shots of hers started to disappear at around that time: her down the line slice backhand and her topspin backhand which made her game very predictable. Also notice how Steffi hit awesome backhand passing shots against Navratilova in the late 1980s but hit very weak ones against Sabatini in the early 1990s. And as amazing as a net player as Sabatini was, Navratilova was better which indicates where Graf was with her game at that time. It wasn't until 1995 that Graf finally amended the extension issue with her backhand and she brought her down the line slice backhand back.
And why did Navratilova have a mini meltdown? Why couldn't she hold it together? The best will do so. She couldn't because she was facing a player who was better than her at that time.
@@gk891 Stop it with the nonsense and delusion! Back in 1993 not even Steffi´s fans thought she could stop Monica Seles domination, which is why one of her fans stabbed her. An overly overweight and more mentally fragile Seles was still able to beat Graf after she returned
@@juanantoniobl7550 How exactly is what I said nonsensical or delusional? What I said was that Graf was not at her prime in the early 1990s because her groundstrokes had changed which is technically true. Nowhere did I say that if the skiing accident hadn't happened, Seles would have never overtaken Graf or that Graf still would've reigned supreme. I honestly don't know what would have happened if Steffi's game hadn't changed after breaking her thumb as I don't have a crystal ball. I's entirely possible that Seles would've overtaken Graf anyways. Or maybe Graf would've been able to have held Seles off. Or maybe they would've had a stunning rivalry where they traded titles and the #1 ranking. Who knows as It's all conjecture.
Graf has never been as dominant as Serena at her peak though. Look at the Olympics 2012. Graf never reached that dominance. Serena obliterates any competition at her peak level, once it returns next season, it'll be the same thing again.
Not to mention Graf wouldn't have lasted against Seles with or without a broken thumb, Seles was the next level at that time and Steffi was already getting slower.
Either way, Graf, Serena, Martina, Monica all are phenomenal players and monumental to the popularity of the sport or the evolving of the sport.
@@hazori3231 While I agree that Graf, Williams, Navratilova, and Seles are all phenomenal players and were monumental to the development of the sport, it's only your own speculation that Graf wouldn't have lasted against Seles, with or without her game changing due to her thumb injury. In the early 1990s, Seles was 4-3 against Graf and Graf was not near her best. She was hitting her backhand crosscourt almost all of the time and leaning in too close to the ball when hitting it. Not to mention she wasn't opening the face of her racket nearly as well as she did before. Severe slice backhands were a key weapon against Seles but Steffi did ok in her head to head against Seles during the early 1990s with a second rate slice backhand. I personally think with her 1988-1989 or 1995-1996 backhand, their rivalry would've been much more intense.
Back when tennis was worth watching. Style and graceful.
Navratilova GOAT. 👏👏👏👏👏
yep. Steffi was just a good singles player. Serena is number 2 though.
Steffi is the GOAT.
Steffi graf, martina navrotilova, sanchez, monika seles, sabatini those were too good players and Steffi was special
Back in the day, when I was just a kid, I was rooting for Steffi but nowadays I love watching both and their contrasting styles, I miss those years. Anyway, I feel Navratilova should have won that open, when she steamrolled through the draw and just barely let a superb Graf escape.
She needed a solid bh. Back then, u cud get away it. But not todays game. Topspin bh is imperative
I was not born when this match held but watching steffi matches really it blows my mind, beauty with talent❤️
If Steffi had grown up in the modern era with a semi western grip and poly strings, her forehand would have been even more lethal 😳
Illya Kuryakin I think Steffi would be hitting hard like Madison Keys except way more consistent
This was a fantastic comeback from Graf proving a match is NEVER over until you shake hands. Martina got tight and Steffi sensed it. Graf only 20 in her Prime and Martina was 32 at this time. Graf lead slam final wins 4-2 in their rivalry. In the end Graf over powered Martina.