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Its really Cryptic at best. I don't think the Author intended to be downright Pedophilic, like you said. Considering the times it wasn't much of an issue despite the dangerously close descriptions of our time. If anything, I felt that his aim was good willed and opted to adopt Michael as a sort of surrogate Brother. Though it did come off as Obsessive behavior.
Neverland is heaven and all the children are dead and when Peter tells them to leave their loved ones behind, that means to leave them on earth 🌍 and kill themselves but They don’t know they’re dead. So they’ve killed theirselves due to going neverland. They also believe that they are normal people 🤪🙄🤪🙃🙄
Peter Pan was my first religion. My mother took me out of school on my birth's day to see the movin picture in the theater with her. Somethin like six planets were makin transitin aspects to my chart that day (causn any experience to make a stron impression). Robin Hood became another religion. Both of them dressed in green. Somethin meaninful goin on behind the scenes.
Yup...as a child I saw that and other things on my own...a young child...I never ever liked Peter pan...I got on this search since my daughter had this in her workbook...and she talked about not liking it...my interest in the real story got sparked...I have read them the story long before today... because...we got the book put into our hands. ..I didn't like it then and neither did they...anyway...
I learned a version where Peter Pan is the villain. So, he forces the lost boys to stay with him, or he'll punish them. Hook was a lost boy, but wanted to grow up. Peter didn't like that, so he chopped off Hook's hand. Once Hook grows up, he comes back to kill Peter as revenge. I didn't learn anything else besides that, but I wanna know if anyone else was told this.
okay so i heard this one and another one. so peter would kidnap the kids to play with them and if they age he’d thin them out. captain hook was a lost boy who managed to run from peterpan and he’s trying to save the lost boys
Captain Hook was a symbol of adulthood. The crocodile with the ticking clock was his greatest fear because it reminded him that time was finite and death was forever pursuing him. Tick tock, tick tock. The crocodile was always there. He knew, that at some point, the crocodile (death) would eventually claim him. In mythology, Pan was a shepard and a god of the wild. The Lost Boys were his flock, which he guarded jealously. He was prone to kill anyone who threatened him, including his followers. His flute of reeds (seen in the film) contained the soul of a female who would not heed to his beckon, so he transformed her into a reed. Not knowing which one was her, he fashioned it into an instrument that he always kept with him. When Wendy wished to return to London, this angered him because she defied his wishes. Tinkerbell could be interpreted as an externalization of his hostility since she openly threatened Wendy. Pan was prone to anger. His temper created “panic”. Neverland, the lost boys and even the “Indians” represent the untamed wilderness that Pan ferociously protected. That interpretation may not have been the author’s intent. I can’t really comment on that since I don’t know much about him. However, the above has always been my understanding of the story.
Thats in most of the version I've heard. What i consider the most original is the Brother's Grimm. His shadow is even in that one. This leads him into what would seem like bad things at first: leading wendy into this form of death, towards hook... The brothers Grimm was a little more detailed and i dont remember all of it, but the parts in the movies were relatively the same, just sugar coated. Hook had a clock. HOOK was Death. The shadow is Foresight. And Pan is Life. Wendy is Love. Them living in london and wherever Pan was from is merely imaginary... Separate from their reality. Explains why these followers were slain by this god in wrath for not obeying him. Explains why Love overpowered wrath. Explains why death dies... Ive got to disagree with your theory on the clock, pan lives on afterwards, meaning death's job is done. The lost boys died, Life sent the message to Death that they are dead. The tik tok noise is gone. Life and Love is all WE are left with... Kind of corny poetic, but this is what i think
Dangelo Lott Dangelo Lott I’m not familiar with a Grimm version of the tale. The one depicted in the Disney film was based on the 1902 writing by Scottish author Barrie. But you’re correct that Hook is a representation of death; his adulthood is a progression towards the grave. This is why Pan sees him as a threat and adversary. The crocodile carries a ticking clock that represents time in pursuit. You’re also correct about Pan’s shadow. It is a representation of his malice. The shadow intends to harm. It sneaks into the nursery almost like a soul eater and Pan tries to control it while convincing Wendy to come to Neverland. The original story is much darker than the popular interpretations of it.
I heard Peter Pan kidnapped children and took them to neverland, but once the children grew up Peter killed them. Captain Hook was trying to save them from being killed but Peter made it look like he was the enemy.
In the original story the Disney version however it's another story he was actually evil hook the hah the pirate fairy even shows he was even evil at a young age age. In Jake and the never land pirates T steals and on top of a he uses Jane and nearly guess one tries to kill Peter in the lost boys by double crossing her when saying O no 1 would be her and nearly choked on the neck also nearly drowned tiger Lily and made Wendy in the other lost boys walk the plank and use Tinkerbell to is in vanich in the Disney version he was a villain the other hook in this story was actually trying to save the boys but was framed because Peter Pan was the villain to making a like he was the actual villain when he wasn't.
Fun Fact: J.M. Barrie was originally going to have Peter Pan be the bad guy. But then Captain Hook was introduced, so he made Hook the bad guy. This is the reason why it didn't surprise me when OUAT made Peter Pan evil.
Fun fact the reason why the Crocodile is always trying to eat Captain Hook is because captain hook was one the lost boys that grew up so peter pan cut off his hand and the crocodile enjoyed it and wanted more.
@@louievbeltz9450 It has been a while since I read it but I'm pretty sure that the lost boys had two options once they were noticeably older than Peter. Since he always had to be the oldest, (he didn't know his age but just said he was one year older than the oldest lost boy), once they were obviously older than him he would kill them, or if they were faster to notice than him I'm pretty sure they could become pirates so it was harder for Peter to kill them.... that would probably be how Hook started as a lost boy if he did (I don't remember if that was mentioned in the book)
I actually always loved the scene in “Hook” where Wendy was being honored for her child care foundation and various men (presumably former lost boys) stand up one by one to show her respect. She really became more of a savior than a mother to them.
I heard that version too! That he is a guiding spirit that takes scared lost children souls and guides them to heaven (neverland). Where they can be happy and stay kids forever!
Someone once told me that peter takes kids to “neverland” and once they grow up he kills them. Someone also told me that he takes kids to heaven and that’s why they never grow up so... Idk
Ya someone told em that’s this is how it went: Peters the angel who takes kids to Heaven but he can be wrong and he was wrong about Hook and he wasn’t really dead so that’s why he grew up and he tried to kill Peter because he’s mad that he took him from his family when he was alive
another really messed up part about jm barriers childhood: after his brother died, barries sister encouraged him to act like his brother. he took on his brothers mannerisms and adopted his personality, all in the hope that it would help their mother cope better. his mother even had him dress up in his dead brother clothes. he took on the persona of his dead brother up until he got too old to physically resemble his brother. because of this, he lost a large portion of his own identity which is part of why he became obsessed with children and eternal youth (hence why peter pan never grows up).
I guess I can understand where his sister and mother are coming from, but yeah; pretty messed up that they robbed a good chuck of his life away even if it was unintentional
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Yeah Peter's biggest flaw is that he's so oblivious that he doesn't understand the concepts of good and evil, or the difference between reality and games
@@pleasedontlookforme8036 Maybe he and he's brothers were abused by the author of the book, although we don't know that for sure but many suspect it. There are a lot of proofs but at the end who knows 😕
The only thing I really remember about the book is how the Darling children have no problem killing folks, as if the inability to tell reality from make believe Peter has is contagious as they spend time in Neverland.
I have always thought of Peter Pan to be kind of tragic. He loved Wendy but she had to go back. Wendy grew up, had kids, and lived a full happy life but Peter will never get that chance. I have always sensed a feeling of loneliness in the ending of Peter Pan.
What if James saw himself as Peter pan-someone slowly luring boys away from there family to make one of his own in order to account for the lost time he lost with his brother. But ended up creating an unhealthy attachment to the boys wishing that their innocence could last as his was taken at such a young age. Overall I think james is creepy, and I feel like some of those red flags could have been seen a mile away. I feel like the reason this was recommended so heavily is because we knew something dark lies behind the surface ot maybe because we thought it would be interesting, I dunno.
After some research it appeared that he did have an unhealthy relationship with one of the boys but not in a sexual way. A partly when he was affect with some mental issues he also pull one of the boys down with him. From the sounds of it he was so innocent that he want to keep that same innocents for others. But it was many years ago with not a lot of evidence but I do have to agree that he seems creepy.
Did you know that the "medicine"", that the perfectly healthy children are supposed to have, was opium? Lots of parents in Victoria England legit drugged their kids, when they wanted some peace! Many children died in fires, because they suffocated, as they couldn't wake up, and the parents were often out of the house. Victorian England was crazy messed-up! It was common for wealthy families to have an "uncle", apparently a man without a wife or kids, and have this man visiting the family, since he had no family of his own! 🤦♂️😱🤮
Peter pan is no angel. His lore would more closely match a dark fae, more demonic in nature, and the lost boys would have been boys abducted by pp...in a kind of limbo.
Gen Turnbull :} that wouldn’t make sense though because at the end of the movie we hear the darling family say how they’ve seen that ship before and remember it from long ago, now in the book I could see this being true.
There’s a play called Wendy and Peter Pan by Ella Hickson that is kind of about this! Wendy agrees to go to Neverland because she thinks that her brother (the play starts with 4 children) who died will be there
Its sad to say but the real Peter hated being associated with the play/book. He turned to alcohol and committe suicide in the 1960s. Nico was the only kid to have lived full a life and liked Peter Pan. The while famiy's story is one big tragedy really.
I think it was a case similar to Christopher Milne and Winnie the Pooh. When Peter was a baby, Barrie would tell his brothers that Peter would fly around at night and go on adventures. And, as was briefly stated in the video, the author named his characters after the children. I can't remember whether or not the characters are based off the real people, but the names definitely are. Anyway, due to the popularity of the book/play, and Peter sharing a name with the main character, people would associate him with the boy who never grew up. It's been awhile since I've read about the whole thing, but I think he just couldn't stand being called/compared to Peter Pan. There may have been more to why he killed himself, but I'm not entirely sure. This is a really long reply, sorry, but I've just spent the last four years studying literature and I can't get out of the habit of long replies. haha. There's lots of information about the family and Peter Pan online. So if you want to spend the afternoon being sad and informed at the same time, I suggest you take a browse. :)
annafrancan thank you another thing that makes me really sad is when he died, newspapers still called him Peter Pan. I mean give honor to him- he did serve in the military!!
Yeah it is sad. The saddest part is, he isn't the only case of things like that happening. His brother Michael died young as well, trying to save someone from drowning. There's a whole ton of ethics behind authorship, inspiration etc. You could spend ages debating it all.
@@matiasdelgado7011 and don’t get started on Unicorns! They might tolerate you if you were a virgin and were pure of spirit, but if you were tainted in any way? They’d rip and tear you apart and eat you!
And they also known for grabbing and drowning humans that shit wild.. you can even see them do it in Harry Potter maybe this type of shit was happening
I hated those mermaids. Especially when Peter laughed during the whole thing, and didn't pick up on what the mermaids said about drowning her! Yet Wendy wanted to see them, Big mistake!
Is like devil himself says in a Mark Twain Book: I am incapable of doing evil because I don't know what evil is. Being innocent not make you necessary good and being sharp and self aware of the future dosen't make you a selfish adult.
Heard a story about a Peter Pan a while back where Peter Pan wasn't actually a boy. He was a demon luring children to Neverland where they never grow up and kills them and consumes their life essense to keep himself alive. The reason they don't grow up when in Neverland is because they dead and their spirits linger as ghosts blissfully unaware they are dead. Captain Hook was a former lost boy who got away from Peter Pan before he could be killed and grew up. He can't leave Neverland because of the magic Peter Pan uses to keep everyone in Neverland so they can "entertain" him. He then swears to slay the demon known as Peter Pan and put the souls of his fellow lost boys to rest.
I personally believe that Peter Pan was written as a euphemism for childhood death, owning to the part where peter said that he ran away the day he was born, and he describes the lost boys as "children who fall out of their prams when their nurses are looking the other way." If a kid dies, and they're under the care of a nurse, that nurese is gonna say they dont know what happened. Also, all the adults in Neverland are made out to be bad guys, which is how kids tend to see adults. Neverland=child heaven, Peter=a sort of Grim Reaper for kids, ushering their souls to Neverland paradise, where they'll never grow up (because they're dead)
Peter Pan has no flaws in his acting. He invites children to neverland, makes them think Captain Hook is their enemy, and eventually if the children aren’t freed from his control, they will be stunned to never age, in fact, the children there could be like 200 years old but nothing ever changes. Captain Hook and his crew were old men because they weren’t affected by the magic and they will do everything they can to rescue those children from Peter pan’s control before it’s too late. I feel so sorry for the people who watched the movie multiple times and can’t think about the plot’s true intentions.
Peter Pan was a product of its time and place, which makes it hard for us to understand. I'd say it combines the earlier Victorian idea of children as "innocent" with the reality that even "innocent" children can do violent things. (Peter and the Lost Boys kill people. Period.) We're very attuned and repulsed by physical violence; people at that time were not, really. (Remember that battle was often still portrayed as romantic and heroic rather than the reality of carnage that WWI showed it to be. ) People at that time also did not search out child molesters under every tree and shrub. Sometimes the interactions that adults at that time had with children cause us to flinch: men having little girls (and some not-so-little girls) sit on their laps, men encouraging children to kiss them, and the whole fad of having children photographed in disheveled clothing. All of this makes us think the worst, but at that time these things were viewed in a completely different light....even if some child molesters took advantage of this. Actually, rather than Peter being a child-predator, it's the tension in his relationship with Wendy (is she his mother, his love-interest, or both?) that's more interesting. As for the "redskins" stereotype, remember these were English children. They might have read a book or lurid dime novel about Native Americans, seen romanticized pictures, or perhaps seen a wild west show, but to them the Native Americans culture was simply something wild, exciting, exotic, and extremely far-removed from dreary weather, healthy oatmeal, lessons, a play-nursery, and their governess or nurse. The "indians" and the "pirates" in Peter Pan are fictionalized, childish stereotypes (just as GI Joe is a fictionalized stereotype of a soldier), simply shadow-puppet enemies against which the boys can have adventures and play-act manly qualities of bravery and prowess in battle, just as Wendy play-acts being a mother to the Lost Boys and a potential love-interest for either Peter or Captain Hook.
In JM Barrie's original novel, Peter Pan made a deal with a demon (the shadow) who would kidnap children for him. Upon puberty, about 13, Peter would cull the herd to keep his eternal youth. Captain Hook was a spaniard whose daughter Peter had kidnapped and killed, then taunting Hook by dropping her necklace back to him while he grieved over her. Hook eventually found a way to Neverland, a kind of demonic dimension where only Peter Pan never aged, by stealing an artifact. Neverland was also a place where everything there, from mermaids to crocodiles to pixies, would try to kill children, all wanting to gain youth. Some of Hook's crew were former, rescued lost boys while some are like Hook, grieving, revenge-filled parents.
@@abominablesnowkat112 I haven’t mistook anything. I own a hardcover edition of J.M. Barrie’s Peter Pan. It’s not an adaptation, J.M. Barrie the author. You’re an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. By the way, I also wrote a paper on the biblical themes in Barrie’s novel back in college as an English major.
@@abominablesnowkat112 Peter “thins them out,” an outright implication of culling the herd, killing them when they get too old as I said. Also, I have no idea what OUAT is. I’ve read Barrie’s book numerous times. None of those things are quotes from the book as you erroneously suggested by putting them in quotes, “demonic dimension,” “killing for youth,” etc., but just my description of the various parts of the book. That’s how I have always interpreted the book every time I’ve read it. Perhaps you just interpret the book differently.
@@abominablesnowkat112 I always interpreted Peter’s culling of the lost boys in a sacrificial sense to keep his youth. Also, my interpretation isn’t “incorrect.” You may interpret the story differently but everything I said in my original comment is how I’ve always interpreted the book. I also don’t know why you put so much stress on Hook being a college graduate. I never said he wasn’t, only mentioning his family and nationality, in particular his daughter.
Peter Pan being part vilain doesn't make Hook a good guy. Time doesn't change in Neverland since the crocodile ate the clock so Hook was already an adult pirate when he discovered the Island with his ship. He's just trying to get out of it.
This could use a horror movie reboot. Peter Pan: Escape from Neverland. At the begining Peter offers to take the kids on an adventure, which they excitedly agree upon. After arriving they all have fun until Wendy starts noticing the oddities in the Lost Boys that follow him: why does one of them look differently than he did yesterday, why are they all kids, why did one of them say a boys name and the others quickly hushed him?... Despite this she finds herself becoming deeply infatuated with Peter, but strangely every time he holds her, she hears a strange female voice telling her to run, until Peter removes his Flute of Reeds in annoyance and puts it in his room before bolting the door. As one of the lost boys 18th birthday approaches, he's unreasonably scared. Just before his birthday the pirates attack, appearing the villains at first, as they kidnap the soon to be 18 year old and the lost boys pursue to rescue him. Wendy was told to stay at the base, but having recently built a friendship with the boy who was kidnapped, she dresses as a boy and follows, knowing Peter with his nativity wont realize the difference. As chaotic combat ensues aboard the ship, she follows Peter's shadow into Hooks cabin, wherein to her surprise, Hook is acting quite fatherly, trying to reassure and calm down the boy. But just as Hook is about to reveal the truth, Pan's shadow creeps up behind the boy and slits his throat. Hook draws his sword and Wendy flees. Back at the base, Wendy tries to get her brothers and return home, only her brothers have already been indoctrinated and don't want to leave. Tinkerbell overhears Wendy trying to convince them to leave, and reports to Peter, who takes Wendy to the -mermaids- (lets call them what they are) Sirens, to teach Wendy a lesson, letting them almost drown her before he saves her at the last minute and tells her that she shouldn't think of leaving anymore, before locking her in his room. While she is sitting there crying, his Flute of Reeds glows before a female ghost appears, and explains that she was the previous woman Peter brought to be the mother of his lost boys, until she too, realized Peter's evil deeds and rebelled. The ghost tells her to take her brothers to visit the natives. The natives, who on the surface have a good relationship with Peter and a bad one with the pirates, actually sneak lost boys to the pirates. Not trusting Wendy, Tinkerbell secretly follows her. The native princess consoles Wendy, before her father and their warriors escort her to the hidden cove where they secretly meet with the pirates. Having learned of the natives treachery, Tinkerbell waits for the chief and warriors to leave, at which point she coats the princess in fairy dust, raising her into the sky, before blowing away the dust and letting her fall to her death. She then flys to get Peter. Along the way, her brothers argue they don't want to leave, which slows them down. The chief and one of the warriors pick her brothers up and throw them over their shoulder, saying Peter is evil they don't have time to explain now, but everything will make sense later. Her youngest brother refuses to listen however, and takes the warriors knife and stabs him in the neck, shouting "liar, traitor!" Unfortunately for him, they are walking aside a cliff when this happens and both the dead warrior and the brother he was carrying fall to the rocks below, where the brother dies. The older brother now wants revenge for his younger brother, but decides this isn't the time or place. Hook arrives at the cove and the chief successfully completes the hand off, but just as he is about to leave, Peters shadow appears behind him and stabs him in the back. At the same time the lost boys launch a surprise attack at the warriors and pirates, killing many. But even so Hook, Wendy, and her eldest brother make it aboard his ship and set sail. Hook offers them a life as pirates, but Wendy wants to go home. To do that however, they have to return to Peter's base and kidnap Tinkerbell. Wendys brother, who had a "change of heart" after learning the truth, accompanies Wendy and Hook on this mission. But once they reach he base he shouts to wake the lost boys. A fight ensues that results in their capture. After Wendy asks her brother 'why', he says he doesn't believe them, the only thing he knows is his brother is dead and someone has to pay for it. Captain Hook is tied to a poll near the swamp, and Wendy is held forcibly to watch as the crocodile approaches him. As the crocodile nears Hook, he hears the pocket watch inside the crocodile ticking and has a flashback to when he was a lost boy himself. He had a prized pocket watch given to him by his father, which he would look at with longing, each time he asked Peter to go back home, and was refused by him. Peter got angry and threw his pocket watch into the swamp. Hook went into the swamp to retrieve it, but his hand, and the watch it held, were eaten by the crocodile. Peter tells him its good the watch is gone, and to let the lost hand be a lesson, its time to forget his father, he has a new family now. Hook then runs away from the lost boys to join a nearby pirate crew. The flashback ends, and Peter tells him he can finally be reunited with his memories of his dear father, and the crocodile eats him. Realizing Peter's fear/hatred is that of growing up, and playing on his ignorance, she works her way into his bed where she takes his first time, and then after tells him he is an adult now. His expression changes from pleasure to horror and his shadow strangles himself to death, before flying across the ground and into the body of Wendy's brother. With Peter dead, Wendy runs to her brother to try once more to talk sense into him, but he says she has been naughty and Tinkerbell knocks her out. Later we see her brother, dressed as Peter Pan, placing a Thimble next to his flute, with Wendy's voice now joining that of the previous unfortunate girl. Her brother then looks at Tinkerbell and says they need to go to London and find a new mother.
This is insane, masterpiece. I could imagine the whole 2.5 hour movie with all of the details and mix of information like why the hook doesn't have hand, why Peter is attached to little boys, the thing with giving imaginary food..
@FreejayFree-qr2vd yeah, my thoughts were that the shadow slightly corrupts everyone near by, which is why her brothers have an irrational trust for Peter, and why(aside from fear) the lost boys haven't abandoned him despite knowing what he does. But for the one the shadow possess, in this case Peter and Micheal, the corruption is absolute.
You missed the part where Peter returned to england but Wendy was too old, so he fell in love with her grand daughter, Moira. And that's when he decided he would never go back to neverland, because he wanted to be a daddy. Peter was then brought into the great ormond street hospital by "granny Wendy" until she found American parents who would adopt him. He was only 12, nearly 13! And that's when he became known as Peter Banning. He spent the 1960's as an accountant, and by the year 1991 he was Peter Banning: Attorney at Law - spearheading a company that specializes in mergers and aquisitions (while dabbling a bit in real estate). Now middle aged, Peter is a cold selfish man who drinks too much, is obsessed with success, and rund and hides from his wife and children. It has been 10 years between visits for Peter and granny Wendy, but him and his family travel on to England (although Peter hates to fly) to attend a ceremony for the board of trustees of the great ormond street hospital, which is dedicsting a wing of the building to Wendy. While Peter, Wendy, and Moira are out for the evening, hook kidnaps his 2 children Jack (10) and Maggie (8), in an attempt to Lure Peter back to Neverland for the final duel. (For you see, Hook killed that cunning crocodile, stuffed him, and turned him into a quiet clock). There's only one problem: He is Peter Pan alright, but he's been away from neverland so long, his mind's been pacified - HE'S FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING!
1 problem with 60s statement is tht when he meets her grand daughter therre is aposter of abeatles song that came out in 64.so he decided to stay on earth in the 60s
i love how all the other comments are basically more creepy ass stories about peter pan and then there's this comment wonderful comment!! Honestly, knowing disney, she may very well be jane from tarzan
I watched this video yesterday, and had to read a bit more on the subject. Now, in the middle of the night, I woke up and everything seemed clear to me. You left out the fact J.M. Barrie was described as an asexual person by many, including Nico Llewellyn Davies. Nico and Michael were the closest ones to "uncle Jim", so he ought to know. As to the letter to Michael: I think it's a metaphor. This is what my brains had cooking during the night: candle stands for a friend. Just like stars and lamp posts in more recent ones: they don't shorten the way, but light it up. If a candle was burning bad or crooked, it wouldn't light very well and on the other hand, drip. Of being greasy: at that time, at least in Finland which is my home country, things were like this: wax candles were rare. They were better and more expensive, so they had them mostly in churches. If you hadn't got enough money, you would make your own candles out of grease. It didn't light that we'll and smelled a bit bad, but you had light. So, basically J.M. Barrie is telling Michael: I'm one of your friends and happy to be, though I suck at it. And what comes to post scriptum: he writes to a child who is one of five and used to being just one of the gang. Saying this makes him feel special. It might also be uncle Jim feel a bit guilty to have favourites among them, so he adds: don't tell anyone. I also find this part a bit childish, which correlates with my image of Barrie. He knows how child's mind works, and is actually closer to it than being an adult. In this letter he says to a fellow child: I'm a bit bad friend, but you are one special friend to me, and that's our secret. Let me tell you a secret: it's the way 7-year-olds make secrets all over the world. All day and every day. I would like to say case closed. But I'd like your comments on this?
This is very true...I had an uncle who used to play with me as a kid (we used to make paper animals and stuff), but then as I grew up he didn't know how to approach me, as I was young woman and no longer that kid anymore. I guess sometimes, growing up is sad.
I like this explanation... It makes sense for their time period. Language is fluid and has changed quite a bit over time ( the meanings of words and phrases). Yes, you can say the letter looks creepy and screams child predator, but then you have to take into consideration the semantics of that era as well. We will never know for sure though.
I agree. When he read the last line saying don't tell anyone, I instantly thought about my uncle. He would tell me I was his Fav and not to tell anyone and then say the exact same thing to my sisters and cousins. My Aunt did the same thing, but I actually was her fav, and she didn't want anyone to feel bad.
My professor told us about how J. M. Barrie's testes never dropped because of how much his mother lamented over the brother's death. It probably had a psychological effect on him that hindered his development.
Peter Pan’s first appearance as a baby in “The Little White Bird” has him flying with fairies in a park at night only to find his mother holding another baby and the window locked when he tried to return. I always believed it was revealed that Peter Pan was dead in the ending and his mother was holding his lifeless body or was kidnapped by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.
Tinker bell was always there’s for Peter Pan And Peter? He chose Wendy darling Edit: guys I’m just quoting a quote pls don’t attack me, this is a McDonald’s drive thru
i'm just writing this, not exactly referring to this video, but generally for all of jon's videos: the more i watch these videos, the more i realize i'm not only learning the origins of these stories, but more of HISTORY itself. when he goes into the detail regarding the time it was written and the different written pieces from the sources he researched, there's SO MUCH we are processing as viewers in terms of the language of those times, the culture of the area the source came from, what was the general mentality and beliefs of the people at that time, heck even the politics of those times! it's like watching a historical tv show like game of thrones, reign, without actually watching it, and no sugarcoating, just straight facts. jon, in other words, you've basically become a low-key source of history for us as well! thank you!!
I'm surprised he never mentioned the movie Hook, which seemed to take a lot of stuff from the books. Peter's origin story was pretty much the White bird story where fairies came and took him from his cradle. He also found bars on his windows when he tried to go back home. At least one of the Lost Boys went home with Wendy and grew old, and Wendy did start an orphanage/children's hospital. Peter did forget about Wendy and came back to find her old, the difference being that he _married_ her granddaughter instead of taking her to Neverland. He also forgot about his children for a while when he reverted back to Peter Pan. And he did serve the Lost Boys imaginary food. I'm pretty sure Ruffio, at least, was an invention of the 90s. XD
I once heard a scary version of this when I was a kid. It basically said that Peter was some kind of demon and the Darling girls were cursed to be visited/lured away from their family by him every generation.
This is absolutely INSANE! As a child I remember seeing this film and thinking “I’m missing something “. Well, our friend Jon just filled us in a little.
You forgot the part where Captain Hook and the pirates actually find the Lost Boys’ hideout and plan to make a poisoned cake for the lost boys and fails
The forgetfulness of Peter Pan could be the author's way of describing dissociative episodes consistent with someone who has their own terrible trauma. Interesting information!
You left out the part where one of the boys committed suicide with is gay lover. And peter himself committed suicide later in life while sorting out the former brother's letters and such so yeah there's that.
@s dizzle Maybe it is new to you, but not EVERY psychological problem is caused by heavy trauma... They could have become depressed as adults for a reason completely unrelated to child abuse
@@elecrom_9757 The probability does seem extremely high compared to most people, it's rare for a suicide at all in a family let alone two. Along with all the other information we've been presented it's at least a possibility.
There are studies showing that having sibling committing suicide (significantly) rises chances of other siblings also committing it (specially as t also rises chances of becoming alcoholic, which again rises chance of suicide), so unfortunately this is not that improbable.
🖖🏻Periods have nothing to do with it! I was The oldest kid maybe 8 years old (till I was 12 ) and only girl in my neighborhood and I was always nurturing and looking after the boys and they knew it and always loved playing with me (I was also a tomboy) in fact we all stopped hanging out once we all hit puberty LOL! In fact the adults called me the little mother. Some girls are naturally “Motherly” (Wendy was also the eldest child)👩🏻🦰
Ever seen a toddler take care of a doll as if she were a mother? I have. Lots of times. Little girls like to pretend that they are their moms. Kids learn from observing adults, and girls are generally very nurturing. You don't have to have full breasts and a period to be a mother figure to other kids.
I have never seen Peter Pan the movie nor ever read the story. I came here curious because I have been following stories on Michael Jackson and he keeps bringing up Peter Pan. There is so much irony here and I am really creeped out right now.
I too find Barrie's conduct towards the Davies children questionable. Due to the unfortunate experiences of our society as a whole, Barrie's words and deeds would not go unnoticed in the 21st century.
Other than its origins, one interesting thing about Peter Pan is how adults and children viewed him. Adults saw him as a bully and a mean character. Children saw him as a model to follow, a hero and leader - all around fun. I guess that the perception we acquire from newly gained experiences either allows us to gauge thinga better or completely ruins that innocense... Or both.
Please please *please* do Alice in Wonderland I will gladly give you my essay on Lewis Carrol! I had to do it for my college English class. Alice in Wonderland is my favorite movie and Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland is my favorite book.
I really appreciate your little summaries of the movies before telling the story. It really helps a person when they don't remember/know the Disney story. Thank you.😊
I thought the part where Peter friend zoned (more like mother-zones) Wendy was hilarious because of how he said that’s a whole another level of friend-zoned
Dang... people really didn’t know that old stories were actually dark/messed up? Disney just makes the stories kid friendly. If Disney made the movies how the stories were told and young children watch them, they would probably have nightmares (lol).
Just to clarify one thing- had to stop watching when you said "i imagine he's luring kids away in a public park" .... in the book, (its a book btw.. not a short story) the Little White Bird, Peter was saved from freezing to death by the birds that nested on an island in the middle of the lake at the park. they kept him warm in their nests. he spent a long time on the island but eventually went back to the park itself. on occasion he would find lost children who had frozen to death or victims of the fairies. the gates of the park were locked every evening. anyone who didnt leave the park at the appointed time would be locked in for the night. The fairies didn't like humans witnessing or meddling in their affairs and would kill them.. Peter wasn't luring anyone to his little kids only fantasy land.... he was trying to save their lives.
It is never outright said that Peter kills them, it's just said that he "thins them out". When I read the story as a child, I used to think that he sent them back to the "real world" or just told them to scram. I have read tons of stuff about this story, it's outright one of my favourite books in the world.
Maybe they were lost in spirits and after a long and playfull life they were found and helped out. Some men are lost children that a only child could be the only way.
There's nothing wrong with an adult and a child being good friends perse, but as soon as the adult is trying to get the kid to keep it a secret, that's at least slightly suspicious if not outright cause for concern.
Disagree. Theres a difference between being nice to a kid/friendly and being their friend. Friends are on equal level, theres a massive power dynamic regarding adults and children especially if the adult doesn't have any connection to the parents (such as a family friend/relative). Its just plain weird. Not saying that every adult befriending kids is a bad guy but its definitely something to look at.
@@Markus2E5I6 if it's really just a friendship then it's pretty much like being a surrogate uncle, but the letter with the weird candle analogy and request to keep the relationship a secret is very damning.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 I'm not wording it correctly because I can't find the right words for what I mean exactly but what I'm trying to say is its ok to be friendly but to be friends is just weird. For instance if your making them a friend like you would friend another adult (invite them to your house, go shopping together, discuss work/life etc) then thats just a bit alarming. But if you are just being friendly when you happen to meet up and play with them like kids (like you said a surrogate uncle) but if you are going out your way to make plans with a kid who isn't yours or even a relative of yours then its definitely weird. I can't explain why its weird. Being a surrogate uncle/father/family friend isn't bad but that also isn't being friends with them its being friendly but not being friends. But if you ask an adult who his best friend is and he seriously says a random kid (without that kid being near cause obviously people would say it around the kid to keep him happy) he's not related to then I would definitely warn the parents or try to get to the bottom of it.
@@Markus2E5I6 the semantics we use are different but we're basically saying the same thing, nothing wrong with acting like a surrogate uncle but when you write quasi love letters telling a kid how deeply you care for them and asking them to keep the fact secret is suspicious to say the least, the request to keep the level of this affection a secret specifically implies a far more sinister nature behind these feelings, moreso than everything else he wrote down. You could argue he'd fear being misunderstood if parents knew, but telling their kid to keep secrets with him behind their backs is still not something you should do, and only further incriminates him in my opinion, of course we can't know for sure what happened, but the suspicions are more founded than not at all.
Peter Pan is one of my favourite Disney movies and I actually did a lot of research on it before, so I wanted to see if we found out the same info. The only thing I hadn’t found was the letter to Michael lol.
The Once Upon Peter Pan was the villain in the show. He draws in "LOST BOY" with his pipe. Lost Boys are boys that don't feel at home with their family but they are in a trance. His shadow is like the island's guardian that gave his ability to not age. Captain Hook was actually a pirate captain that went to the island and was then a prisoner of the island by peter pan.
There is a biography of J.M. Berrie that the author interviewed the youngest Lewellyn-Davies son (Nico) multiple times before he passed away and he always said the relationship was never inappropriate and he remained close with Berry until he died. In the letter he probable meant not to tell his brothers and the clothes he said he wished he could she him wear it not change into it. People want there to be something sinister in the relationship so they look for it.
I heard Captain Hook as a kid was one of the slaves of Peter Pan until Captain Hook was getting older which means Peter Pan will kill him. But Captain Hook escape from Peter Pan . And Captain Hook is getting revenge of killing Peter Pan .
Watching this video and reading all these comments... I'm never gonna look at Peter the same way, tho he was my childhood crush. I never saw the dark side of the story when I was young.
Honestly you should ignore most of these comments. It's clear most of them have never read the original book and are just repeating internet theories and half remembered dark retellings. I have always adored Peter Pan and gave read the book many times. Other retellings are to be taken with a grain of salt.
When I was a kid I got a version of Peter Pan stuck in my head that I’ve never known where it came from but I think I hybrid the story of the Penguin from Batman. Anyway, I remember peters mother leaving him in his stroller in the park in the cold until he “went to never land” at the very beginning. I’ve always thought of neverland as limbo.
I like this story and thanks for the thorough explanation, Jon! While I was digging up more information about J.M Barrie, I felt that he was actually a kind man who genuinely loved children. He took care of not only the Davis children until they grew up, but also their kids (for example Niko's daughter, since he was the last remaining Davis). Too bad people misinterpreted it as pedophilia. At the end of the days, I think Barrie was just a lonely man (probably because his mother preferred his dead brother more than Barrie himself, and later didn't have a happy marriage since his wife cheated on him and thus had no kids his own) who happened to be in search for comfort in childhood. After all, he didn't get much love from his parents and was sent away to be with his elder brother. Could be one of the reasons why he cared and adored Davis children that much. It's like when you experience something awful and you dont want others to have the same awful experience as you. At least that's what I get from reading his biography.
So I had this thought last night about why didn’t Peter just end up with Wendy? Like come one! He clearly liked her and so did she! Years later her daughter liked her EX! WTH! Anyway I searched up why haven’t they ended up together for several hours now
there's this really great fanfiction of Peter pan called peter pan in scarlet which actually got published, and I think they directly mention some of the things that happened in real life
The only way to understand the Peter Pan story is reading _"The little white bird"_ and the _"Peter Pan"_ story. Peter Pan is a complex character, he isn't good or bad he's just Peter Pan.
The boy who never grows up, the boy who can fly, the boy who fights the bad guys, whose the hero of his own storytelling and lives in a magical world full of imagination where anything's possible. Sounds like the stuff of every young boys dreams...including mine at one point. SO however this story came about one thing is for sure, it will always be popular and will always speak to children of all ages and genres for generations to come. If this story was a tribute at all to J.M.Barries brother who died, well it's a fantastic one and a beautiful legacy to have created on behalf of his brother. Maybe, just maybe he always liked to think, that's what happened to his brothers soul after death. Doesn't matter as Peter Pan is simply a great legend and a wonderful story.
Watching the disney version and especially the parts where the lost boy, reminds me of my childhood. When they all talk amongst themselves, they start fighting and wrestling. Thats how it was with me and my 2 bros. Fishguts and pixy dust, blackeyes from stones in mudpies, and learning to solve problems with punches. Its a pirates life for me.:.:
Barrie was a fine writer, and the original 'Peter and Wendy' novel is a great read---surprisingly unsentimental---and filled with dark, mordant humor that will appeal to adults. Highly recommended. It's worth noting that Barrie's secretary was Lady Cynthia Asquith, who became famous as a ghost story anthologist. In spite of all the wild speculation, there is no evidence that Barrie (whatever his private thoughts) ever behaved inappropriately with a child. Indeed, there's no evidence that any of his contemporaries even suspected him of any dubious inclinations involving kids.
1 thing you got wrong, the statement of evidence, in law evidence is any piece of information brought into a case so for example if someone testifies that you did a crime, there testimony is EVIDENCE even if it turns out to be alie its still evidence
One thing you're leaving out that was in the play Captain Hook was revealed to be Peter Pan's grown-up Self. When he tricks Peter into starting to become adult he starts to become Captain Hook and later on Wendy has to bring him to his senses with a kiss.
Shit, I got so excited when I saw the tittle of the video (always wanted to know Peter Pan's true story) but I legitimately screamed when I saw it was from your channel!! Thank you so much for making it!
WOW, 1 year later and this has well over 1 million views... incredible! Thank you SO much to everyone who’s watched, liked, and subscribed because of this video over the past 365 days. The Solo Fam wouldn’t be where it is today if it weren’t for you and I can’t express my gratitude enough. To those watching for the first time: WELCOME! 😊 I hope you enjoy this episode and learn yourself something from it! Let me know what you think down below and consider checking out other episodes in this series for more messed up stories!
i was just watching Peter pan on Netflix a few hours ago
Its really Cryptic at best. I don't think the Author intended to be downright Pedophilic, like you said. Considering the times it wasn't much of an issue despite the dangerously close descriptions of our time. If anything, I felt that his aim was good willed and opted to adopt Michael as a sort of surrogate Brother. Though it did come off as Obsessive behavior.
Neverland is heaven and all the children are dead and when Peter tells them to leave their loved ones behind, that means to leave them on earth 🌍 and kill themselves but They don’t know they’re dead. So they’ve killed theirselves due to going neverland. They also believe that they are normal people 🤪🙄🤪🙃🙄
Jon Solo A gold fish has a better memory span than us humans.
Soo... a memory of a human lol
Peter Pan was my first religion. My mother took me out of school on my birth's day to see the movin picture in the theater with her. Somethin like six planets were makin transitin aspects to my chart that day (causn any experience to make a stron impression). Robin Hood became another religion. Both of them dressed in green. Somethin meaninful goin on behind the scenes.
"he gets lost boys by luring them away from their parents at public parks"
he W H A T
I- oh that's just- uhm 🗿🗿
Yup...as a child I saw that and other things on my own...a young child...I never ever liked Peter pan...I got on this search since my daughter had this in her workbook...and she talked about not liking it...my interest in the real story got sparked...I have read them the story long before today... because...we got the book put into our hands. ..I didn't like it then and neither did they...anyway...
jocontemporary 🤣😂 this comment is so underrated bro haha
jocontemporary 🤣😂 this comment is so underrated bro
101 how to kidnap
I learned a version where Peter Pan is the villain. So, he forces the lost boys to stay with him, or he'll punish them. Hook was a lost boy, but wanted to grow up. Peter didn't like that, so he chopped off Hook's hand. Once Hook grows up, he comes back to kill Peter as revenge. I didn't learn anything else besides that, but I wanna know if anyone else was told this.
Interesting...
Makes sense
okay so i heard this one and another one.
so peter would kidnap the kids to play with them and if they age he’d thin them out. captain hook was a lost boy who managed to run from peterpan and he’s trying to save the lost boys
but hook worked with blavk beard the pirate
William Walker um ok
Captain Hook was a symbol of adulthood. The crocodile with the ticking clock was his greatest fear because it reminded him that time was finite and death was forever pursuing him. Tick tock, tick tock. The crocodile was always there. He knew, that at some point, the crocodile (death) would eventually claim him.
In mythology, Pan was a shepard and a god of the wild. The Lost Boys were his flock, which he guarded jealously. He was prone to kill anyone who threatened him, including his followers.
His flute of reeds (seen in the film) contained the soul of a female who would not heed to his beckon, so he transformed her into a reed. Not knowing which one was her, he fashioned it into an instrument that he always kept with him. When Wendy wished to return to London, this angered him because she defied his wishes. Tinkerbell could be interpreted as an externalization of his hostility since she openly threatened Wendy.
Pan was prone to anger. His temper created “panic”. Neverland, the lost boys and even the “Indians” represent the untamed wilderness that Pan ferociously protected.
That interpretation may not have been the author’s intent. I can’t really comment on that since I don’t know much about him. However, the above has always been my understanding of the story.
Tom Crawford but why does Pan's shadow move freely? And how come he fights with it?
Thats in most of the version I've heard. What i consider the most original is the Brother's Grimm. His shadow is even in that one. This leads him into what would seem like bad things at first: leading wendy into this form of death, towards hook... The brothers Grimm was a little more detailed and i dont remember all of it, but the parts in the movies were relatively the same, just sugar coated. Hook had a clock. HOOK was Death. The shadow is Foresight. And Pan is Life. Wendy is Love. Them living in london and wherever Pan was from is merely imaginary... Separate from their reality. Explains why these followers were slain by this god in wrath for not obeying him. Explains why Love overpowered wrath. Explains why death dies... Ive got to disagree with your theory on the clock, pan lives on afterwards, meaning death's job is done. The lost boys died, Life sent the message to Death that they are dead. The tik tok noise is gone. Life and Love is all WE are left with... Kind of corny poetic, but this is what i think
Dangelo Lott Dangelo Lott I’m not familiar with a Grimm version of the tale. The one depicted in the Disney film was based on the 1902 writing by Scottish author Barrie. But you’re correct that Hook is a representation of death; his adulthood is a progression towards the grave. This is why Pan sees him as a threat and adversary. The crocodile carries a ticking clock that represents time in pursuit. You’re also correct about Pan’s shadow. It is a representation of his malice. The shadow intends to harm. It sneaks into the nursery almost like a soul eater and Pan tries to control it while convincing Wendy to come to Neverland. The original story is much darker than the popular interpretations of it.
Dangelo Lott Pan’s shadow is a separate entity. It is his dark side that he is struggling to control.
Jordan Peterson has some really good opinions on what popular media can be interpreted as. I just have disagreement with his dislike of Frozen.
wendy: i'll love you forever peter
peter: stfu and read bedtime stories
Lol
Lmao 😭🤚
Omgosh xD
He's so freaking rude
Wendy: falls in love with Peter Pan
Peter: You are my mother and i am your son.
Homelander: You, Peter are one of my people. Welcome to the seven.
wendy:I love you Peter
Peter pan: u are like a mother to me
#motherzoned
My fuckin ex husband 😂
This is everything 😂
#loyalson
Peter is my top Disney crush I'd say (and don't ask why I love Peter pan he is my everything in my childhood)
M I L F....... I’m sorry 😐
The comment section is filled with different versions of Peter Pan 🤣🤣🤣
Shyaz ikr it’s interesting
everyones a know it all on yt
that is true
True
Lool i think its cool
I heard Peter Pan kidnapped children and took them to neverland, but once the children grew up Peter killed them. Captain Hook was trying to save them from being killed but Peter made it look like he was the enemy.
In the original story the Disney version however it's another story he was actually evil hook the hah the pirate fairy even shows he was even evil at a young age age. In Jake and the never land pirates T steals and on top of a he uses Jane and nearly guess one tries to kill Peter in the lost boys by double crossing her when saying O no 1 would be her and nearly choked on the neck also nearly drowned tiger Lily and made Wendy in the other lost boys walk the plank and use Tinkerbell to is in vanich in the Disney version he was a villain the other hook in this story was actually trying to save the boys but was framed because Peter Pan was the villain to making a like he was the actual villain when he wasn't.
And all the pirates on the ship were lost boys who were saved by hook
It actually make sense
@@agingzebra8194 HOLY SHIT. I knew i never hated Hook LMAO. He seemed like a good guy in my eyes.
That’s exactly what my friend told me once
Kids: *Ages up*
Pan: Your free trial of life has expired
But he could've send them back! T_T
What age was considered "Too old" for Neverland?
@@tasmeenbaker9912 maybe 15 or 18
@@Clava_Vodeanuc or let them "graduate"
Fun Fact: J.M. Barrie was originally going to have Peter Pan be the bad guy. But then Captain Hook was introduced, so he made Hook the bad guy.
This is the reason why it didn't surprise me when OUAT made Peter Pan evil.
I love all the pan movies idc at this point everyone can be crazy or messed up
i heard a story where he had cut off hooks hand and hook was seeking revenge on peter
Another funfact: Rumpelstiltskin is peter pan's father
YES I ADORE OUAT Hook is cute and peter is so cool
@@sussusamogus0052 as a once upon a time fan when my friends ask about the show i try to explain the family tree
Fun fact the reason why the Crocodile is always trying to eat Captain Hook is because captain hook was one the lost boys that grew up so peter pan cut off his hand and the crocodile enjoyed it and wanted more.
I think that's known from the cartoon movie
No
I mean not really a fun fact hook literally said it in the movie 😐
Idk bout hook being one of the lost boys tho never heard thst
@@louievbeltz9450 It has been a while since I read it but I'm pretty sure that the lost boys had two options once they were noticeably older than Peter. Since he always had to be the oldest, (he didn't know his age but just said he was one year older than the oldest lost boy), once they were obviously older than him he would kill them, or if they were faster to notice than him I'm pretty sure they could become pirates so it was harder for Peter to kill them.... that would probably be how Hook started as a lost boy if he did (I don't remember if that was mentioned in the book)
You left out the part where J.M. Barrie's mother used to dress him up in his dead brother's clothing...
That's creepy-
OH MY LORD!!! What da heck! Creepy...
That's just sad
That’s weird...
Oh no😔
I actually always loved the scene in “Hook” where Wendy was being honored for her child care foundation and various men (presumably former lost boys) stand up one by one to show her respect. She really became more of a savior than a mother to them.
I had heard that Peter is dead and now an angel or ghost that's why he never grows up and the lost boys are souls of dead children he has collected 😱
Clarence Stmalo i heard of that too!
Yup me too
I heard that version too! That he is a guiding spirit that takes scared lost children souls and guides them to heaven (neverland). Where they can be happy and stay kids forever!
@@mirelasemanjaku or hell (Neverland)
@@syauqiabdurrahman8751 Kids don't go to hell. They are never evil enough or have made sins enough to deserve hell.
There is a book called "lost boy" and Peter isn't exactly the friendliest, also lost boys die and he just doesn't care.
Yeah I heard of that to and I think the first lost boy was captain hook
I'm reading it now! Dang, Captain Hook is so likeable and Peter is such a narcissistic sociopath. Welcome to ruining my childhood part 4!
@@10tailedbijuu christina henry.
his overly chirpy, toothy smile never came across warm, friendly, or genuine to me😂
In the book Tink dies and one year later he doesn’t even REMEMBER WHO SHE IS!
Someone once told me that peter takes kids to “neverland” and once they grow up he kills them.
Someone also told me that he takes kids to heaven and that’s why they never grow up so...
Idk
Me too
Jade Castillo same
Same
Ya someone told em that’s this is how it went: Peters the angel who takes kids to Heaven but he can be wrong and he was wrong about Hook and he wasn’t really dead so that’s why he grew up and he tried to kill Peter because he’s mad that he took him from his family when he was alive
Wow i herd like 4 difrent stories
another really messed up part about jm barriers childhood: after his brother died, barries sister encouraged him to act like his brother. he took on his brothers mannerisms and adopted his personality, all in the hope that it would help their mother cope better. his mother even had him dress up in his dead brother clothes. he took on the persona of his dead brother up until he got too old to physically resemble his brother. because of this, he lost a large portion of his own identity which is part of why he became obsessed with children and eternal youth (hence why peter pan never grows up).
I guess I can understand where his sister and mother are coming from, but yeah; pretty messed up that they robbed a good chuck of his life away even if it was unintentional
_"You're gonna want to watch this video all the way through"_
Me: You should just watch all the videos to the end since it's filled to the brim with information
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Jon Solo I like you too :3
Yeah Peter's biggest flaw is that he's so oblivious that he doesn't understand the concepts of good and evil, or the difference between reality and games
For some reason I feel there are several such people in the real life too
According to the book, he doesn’t seem to know the difference between reality and games, either.
ellie That's why he didn't know pedophilia is wrong
Or when a game has crossed a line, or several of them.
@@Barak144 yeah i don't think hes a pedo, he literally rejected wendy and saw her as a mother ;__:
Don't forget to mention that Peter Davies grew up embarrassed of Peter Pan, became an alcoholic, and killed himself in the 60's.
Really?? Why? The story was great, why would he be embarrassed?
@@pleasedontlookforme8036 maybe.... because of what he suffered as a child
@@esmeralda9147 what did he suffer??
@@pleasedontlookforme8036 Maybe he and he's brothers were abused by the author of the book, although we don't know that for sure but many suspect it. There are a lot of proofs but at the end who knows 😕
@@esmeralda9147 oh okay
Am I the only one who remembers when the mermaids say:
“We’re sorry peter”
*”we were only trying to drown her :3”*
I do to its so scary
As a kid I never understood that scene
I do now
Yeah I do...
@Alexandra Murray who the mermaids?
@Alexandra Murray them Yanderes
The only thing I really remember about the book is how the Darling children have no problem killing folks, as if the inability to tell reality from make believe Peter has is contagious as they spend time in Neverland.
I just realized that when it comes to memory, Peter Pan is basically like Dory from Finding Nemo!
But dory didn't kill or kidnap anyone tho
Maggatrix I wouldn't say Peter kidnapped Wendy in the novel, tho
Maggatrix She was pretty hyped to go to Neverland
Yeah I don't know why I said kidnapping lol
Who? From What?
This channel's name should be" ruining your childhood with Jon"
Wander Child lol 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣
Fr tho
True I am 19 and he destroyed my whole childhood
It's not ruined he just saying the truth
Disney is the one ruined it
@Shalale stfu you hater
I have always thought of Peter Pan to be kind of tragic. He loved Wendy but she had to go back. Wendy grew up, had kids, and lived a full happy life but Peter will never get that chance. I have always sensed a feeling of loneliness in the ending of Peter Pan.
What if James saw himself as Peter pan-someone slowly luring boys away from there family to make one of his own in order to account for the lost time he lost with his brother. But ended up creating an unhealthy attachment to the boys wishing that their innocence could last as his was taken at such a young age. Overall I think james is creepy, and I feel like some of those red flags could have been seen a mile away. I feel like the reason this was recommended so heavily is because we knew something dark lies behind the surface ot maybe because we thought it would be interesting, I dunno.
Yeah. He probally molested those kids
@@clowntrooper61 what proof do you have?
Nico Llewelyn Davies himself said James Barrie was an innocent and that's why he was able to write Peter Pan.
After some research it appeared that he did have an unhealthy relationship with one of the boys but not in a sexual way. A partly when he was affect with some mental issues he also pull one of the boys down with him. From the sounds of it he was so innocent that he want to keep that same innocents for others. But it was many years ago with not a lot of evidence but I do have to agree that he seems creepy.
Did you know that the "medicine"", that the perfectly healthy children are supposed to have, was opium? Lots of parents in Victoria England legit drugged their kids, when they wanted some peace! Many children died in fires, because they suffocated, as they couldn't wake up, and the parents were often out of the house. Victorian England was crazy messed-up! It was common for wealthy families to have an "uncle", apparently a man without a wife or kids, and have this man visiting the family, since he had no family of his own! 🤦♂️😱🤮
Once Upon A Time really explains about Peter Pan accurately... 👏 Just like what Captain Hook said, "He's a bloody demon..."
Your right luv
Yea that's one of my favorite stories in ouat it's a heartbreaker
@@abominablesnowkat112 nahh they never told us his backstory he’s evil it’s explained by OUAT
@@corinnedrake3628 yup
Once I saw captain hook I could never call him a bad guy cause 🤩
my theory is
peterpan: angel
neverland: heaven
captain hook: reality
lost boys: suicide victims
idk tho...
Imma be a crybaby :} realistic
Damn that's dark. All the theories I've read are plausible though
@@nightmeds3339 lol
Peter pan is no angel. His lore would more closely match a dark fae, more demonic in nature, and the lost boys would have been boys abducted by pp...in a kind of limbo.
Gen Turnbull :} that wouldn’t make sense though because at the end of the movie we hear the darling family say how they’ve seen that ship before and remember it from long ago, now in the book I could see this being true.
I always thought the story of Peter Pan was to give some hope and solace to kids who have had siblings kidnapped.
That's actually a much nicer way to look at it
Even Disney turned him into a villain in recent years. No joke.
There’s a play called Wendy and Peter Pan by Ella Hickson that is kind of about this! Wendy agrees to go to Neverland because she thinks that her brother (the play starts with 4 children) who died will be there
@@Charisdreaming if this was within the last 2 years I need my royalties 😅
@@kadygirlforever 2015 iirc 😅
I love what once upon a time did with peter pan, neverland and especially hook
Yes it’s my favourite program ever!
Yeah same I love that show
Yes someone commented this, I love that show
I love Collin O'Donoghue ❤
It tied it all together very well. Wish that the spin off had done better.
Its sad to say but the real Peter hated being associated with the play/book. He turned to alcohol and committe suicide in the 1960s. Nico was the only kid to have lived full a life and liked Peter Pan.
The while famiy's story is one big tragedy really.
annafrancan I have been wondering of him- do you know why he hated the play and book so much?
I think it was a case similar to Christopher Milne and Winnie the Pooh. When Peter was a baby, Barrie would tell his brothers that Peter would fly around at night and go on adventures. And, as was briefly stated in the video, the author named his characters after the children. I can't remember whether or not the characters are based off the real people, but the names definitely are. Anyway, due to the popularity of the book/play, and Peter sharing a name with the main character, people would associate him with the boy who never grew up. It's been awhile since I've read about the whole thing, but I think he just couldn't stand being called/compared to Peter Pan. There may have been more to why he killed himself, but I'm not entirely sure. This is a really long reply, sorry, but I've just spent the last four years studying literature and I can't get out of the habit of long replies. haha. There's lots of information about the family and Peter Pan online. So if you want to spend the afternoon being sad and informed at the same time, I suggest you take a browse. :)
annafrancan thank you another thing that makes me really sad is when he died, newspapers still called him Peter Pan. I mean give honor to him- he did serve in the military!!
Yeah it is sad. The saddest part is, he isn't the only case of things like that happening. His brother Michael died young as well, trying to save someone from drowning. There's a whole ton of ethics behind authorship, inspiration etc. You could spend ages debating it all.
...that.. IS so sad
A baby flying around 😂
I think that ghost baby needs to get adopted...by the Warrrens.
You know. Just your typical Tuesday... 😂
If I saw that
I'm moving to the other side of the country 😂
Jesus?
Perfect horror movie...🤘
The mermaids were always creepy to me.
"We were only trying to drown her"
Sirens from classic myths are nasty vampires who loves taste warm blood and flesh.
@@matiasdelgado7011 and don’t get started on Unicorns! They might tolerate you if you were a virgin and were pure of spirit, but if you were tainted in any way? They’d rip and tear you apart and eat you!
And they also known for grabbing and drowning humans that shit wild.. you can even see them do it in Harry Potter maybe this type of shit was happening
I hated those mermaids. Especially when Peter laughed during the whole thing, and didn't pick up on what the mermaids said about drowning her!
Yet Wendy wanted to see them, Big mistake!
Dang all the comment sections be making Peter Pan sound like such a creepy demon😭😭😂😂
Is like devil himself says in a Mark Twain Book: I am incapable of doing evil because I don't know what evil is. Being innocent not make you necessary good and being sharp and self aware of the future dosen't make you a selfish adult.
Pedro Achinelli ok...
Heard a story about a Peter Pan a while back where Peter Pan wasn't actually a boy. He was a demon luring children to Neverland where they never grow up and kills them and consumes their life essense to keep himself alive. The reason they don't grow up when in Neverland is because they dead and their spirits linger as ghosts blissfully unaware they are dead. Captain Hook was a former lost boy who got away from Peter Pan before he could be killed and grew up. He can't leave Neverland because of the magic Peter Pan uses to keep everyone in Neverland so they can "entertain" him. He then swears to slay the demon known as Peter Pan and put the souls of his fellow lost boys to rest.
@@jauneasharithespecialist7885 Yeah, sounds about right.
@@jauneasharithespecialist7885 seems that you are a hunter of religious figures. What is your fee if Peter Pan comes to bother me?
Omg all these versions are ruining my first childhood crush 😭😭😭😭
Ok pervert 👍🏻
Yoshi Game master ok yoshi 👍🏻
@@Kayjay5939 ok coolkid 👍
@@yoshigamemaster6127 gotta agree now
@@yoshigamemaster6127 how does that make them a pervert lmao
I personally believe that Peter Pan was written as a euphemism for childhood death, owning to the part where peter said that he ran away the day he was born, and he describes the lost boys as "children who fall out of their prams when their nurses are looking the other way." If a kid dies, and they're under the care of a nurse, that nurese is gonna say they dont know what happened. Also, all the adults in Neverland are made out to be bad guys, which is how kids tend to see adults. Neverland=child heaven, Peter=a sort of Grim Reaper for kids, ushering their souls to Neverland paradise, where they'll never grow up (because they're dead)
But, at the end of the book don't the lost boys return to London or am I remembering that wrong?
I quite like that interpretation. Thank you for sharing. ♥
the lost boys age though, peter is the only character who doesn't age.
yup, that's pretty much the gist of it I get, too.
@Kelly Day I've never been to the Netherlands myself, but surely it isn't as bad as being in limbo?
Peter Pan has no flaws in his acting. He invites children to neverland, makes them think Captain Hook is their enemy, and eventually if the children aren’t freed from his control, they will be stunned to never age, in fact, the children there could be like 200 years old but nothing ever changes. Captain Hook and his crew were old men because they weren’t affected by the magic and they will do everything they can to rescue those children from Peter pan’s control before it’s too late.
I feel so sorry for the people who watched the movie multiple times and can’t think about the plot’s true intentions.
Same
You're wrong
Peter Pan was a product of its time and place, which makes it hard for us to understand. I'd say it combines the earlier Victorian idea of children as "innocent" with the reality that even "innocent" children can do violent things. (Peter and the Lost Boys kill people. Period.) We're very attuned and repulsed by physical violence; people at that time were not, really. (Remember that battle was often still portrayed as romantic and heroic rather than the reality of carnage that WWI showed it to be. ) People at that time also did not search out child molesters under every tree and shrub. Sometimes the interactions that adults at that time had with children cause us to flinch: men having little girls (and some not-so-little girls) sit on their laps, men encouraging children to kiss them, and the whole fad of having children photographed in disheveled clothing. All of this makes us think the worst, but at that time these things were viewed in a completely different light....even if some child molesters took advantage of this. Actually, rather than Peter being a child-predator, it's the tension in his relationship with Wendy (is she his mother, his love-interest, or both?) that's more interesting. As for the "redskins" stereotype, remember these were English children. They might have read a book or lurid dime novel about Native Americans, seen romanticized pictures, or perhaps seen a wild west show, but to them the Native Americans culture was simply something wild, exciting, exotic, and extremely far-removed from dreary weather, healthy oatmeal, lessons, a play-nursery, and their governess or nurse. The "indians" and the "pirates" in Peter Pan are fictionalized, childish stereotypes (just as GI Joe is a fictionalized stereotype of a soldier), simply shadow-puppet enemies against which the boys can have adventures and play-act manly qualities of bravery and prowess in battle, just as Wendy play-acts being a mother to the Lost Boys and a potential love-interest for either Peter or Captain Hook.
Barrie actually says that children are the cruelest people of all.
Woah. This is the best theory in the comment section, in my opinion.
In JM Barrie's original novel, Peter Pan made a deal with a demon (the shadow) who would kidnap children for him. Upon puberty, about 13, Peter would cull the herd to keep his eternal youth. Captain Hook was a spaniard whose daughter Peter had kidnapped and killed, then taunting Hook by dropping her necklace back to him while he grieved over her. Hook eventually found a way to Neverland, a kind of demonic dimension where only Peter Pan never aged, by stealing an artifact. Neverland was also a place where everything there, from mermaids to crocodiles to pixies, would try to kill children, all wanting to gain youth. Some of Hook's crew were former, rescued lost boys while some are like Hook, grieving, revenge-filled parents.
@@abominablesnowkat112 I haven’t mistook anything. I own a hardcover edition of J.M. Barrie’s Peter Pan. It’s not an adaptation, J.M. Barrie the author. You’re an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s talking about. By the way, I also wrote a paper on the biblical themes in Barrie’s novel back in college as an English major.
@@abominablesnowkat112 Peter “thins them out,” an outright implication of culling the herd, killing them when they get too old as I said. Also, I have no idea what OUAT is. I’ve read Barrie’s book numerous times. None of those things are quotes from the book as you erroneously suggested by putting them in quotes, “demonic dimension,” “killing for youth,” etc., but just my description of the various parts of the book. That’s how I have always interpreted the book every time I’ve read it. Perhaps you just interpret the book differently.
@@abominablesnowkat112 I always interpreted Peter’s culling of the lost boys in a sacrificial sense to keep his youth. Also, my interpretation isn’t “incorrect.” You may interpret the story differently but everything I said in my original comment is how I’ve always interpreted the book. I also don’t know why you put so much stress on Hook being a college graduate. I never said he wasn’t, only mentioning his family and nationality, in particular his daughter.
Good review👍🏾Now, i wanna read the book🤔
I don’t know what book you read but I don’t think so
Someone told me that Peter pan was a kidnapper who killed kids but captain hook tried to save them
dita :p I heard that too
Peter Pan being part vilain doesn't make Hook a good guy. Time doesn't change in Neverland since the crocodile ate the clock so Hook was already an adult pirate when he discovered the Island with his ship. He's just trying to get out of it.
Yes and hook is an escaped lost boy
I heard that Peter pan chopped off captain hook's hand
@@wheresdarice3988 He did and then fed it to the crocodile
This could use a horror movie reboot. Peter Pan: Escape from Neverland.
At the begining Peter offers to take the kids on an adventure, which they excitedly agree upon. After arriving they all have fun until Wendy starts noticing the oddities in the Lost Boys that follow him: why does one of them look differently than he did yesterday, why are they all kids, why did one of them say a boys name and the others quickly hushed him?... Despite this she finds herself becoming deeply infatuated with Peter, but strangely every time he holds her, she hears a strange female voice telling her to run, until Peter removes his Flute of Reeds in annoyance and puts it in his room before bolting the door.
As one of the lost boys 18th birthday approaches, he's unreasonably scared. Just before his birthday the pirates attack, appearing the villains at first, as they kidnap the soon to be 18 year old and the lost boys pursue to rescue him. Wendy was told to stay at the base, but having recently built a friendship with the boy who was kidnapped, she dresses as a boy and follows, knowing Peter with his nativity wont realize the difference. As chaotic combat ensues aboard the ship, she follows Peter's shadow into Hooks cabin, wherein to her surprise, Hook is acting quite fatherly, trying to reassure and calm down the boy. But just as Hook is about to reveal the truth, Pan's shadow creeps up behind the boy and slits his throat. Hook draws his sword and Wendy flees.
Back at the base, Wendy tries to get her brothers and return home, only her brothers have already been indoctrinated and don't want to leave. Tinkerbell overhears Wendy trying to convince them to leave, and reports to Peter, who takes Wendy to the -mermaids- (lets call them what they are) Sirens, to teach Wendy a lesson, letting them almost drown her before he saves her at the last minute and tells her that she shouldn't think of leaving anymore, before locking her in his room.
While she is sitting there crying, his Flute of Reeds glows before a female ghost appears, and explains that she was the previous woman Peter brought to be the mother of his lost boys, until she too, realized Peter's evil deeds and rebelled. The ghost tells her to take her brothers to visit the natives.
The natives, who on the surface have a good relationship with Peter and a bad one with the pirates, actually sneak lost boys to the pirates. Not trusting Wendy, Tinkerbell secretly follows her. The native princess consoles Wendy, before her father and their warriors escort her to the hidden cove where they secretly meet with the pirates.
Having learned of the natives treachery, Tinkerbell waits for the chief and warriors to leave, at which point she coats the princess in fairy dust, raising her into the sky, before blowing away the dust and letting her fall to her death. She then flys to get Peter.
Along the way, her brothers argue they don't want to leave, which slows them down. The chief and one of the warriors pick her brothers up and throw them over their shoulder, saying Peter is evil they don't have time to explain now, but everything will make sense later. Her youngest brother refuses to listen however, and takes the warriors knife and stabs him in the neck, shouting "liar, traitor!"
Unfortunately for him, they are walking aside a cliff when this happens and both the dead warrior and the brother he was carrying fall to the rocks below, where the brother dies. The older brother now wants revenge for his younger brother, but decides this isn't the time or place.
Hook arrives at the cove and the chief successfully completes the hand off, but just as he is about to leave, Peters shadow appears behind him and stabs him in the back. At the same time the lost boys launch a surprise attack at the warriors and pirates, killing many. But even so Hook, Wendy, and her eldest brother make it aboard his ship and set sail.
Hook offers them a life as pirates, but Wendy wants to go home. To do that however, they have to return to Peter's base and kidnap Tinkerbell. Wendys brother, who had a "change of heart" after learning the truth, accompanies Wendy and Hook on this mission. But once they reach he base he shouts to wake the lost boys.
A fight ensues that results in their capture. After Wendy asks her brother 'why', he says he doesn't believe them, the only thing he knows is his brother is dead and someone has to pay for it. Captain Hook is tied to a poll near the swamp, and Wendy is held forcibly to watch as the crocodile approaches him.
As the crocodile nears Hook, he hears the pocket watch inside the crocodile ticking and has a flashback to when he was a lost boy himself. He had a prized pocket watch given to him by his father, which he would look at with longing, each time he asked Peter to go back home, and was refused by him. Peter got angry and threw his pocket watch into the swamp. Hook went into the swamp to retrieve it, but his hand, and the watch it held, were eaten by the crocodile. Peter tells him its good the watch is gone, and to let the lost hand be a lesson, its time to forget his father, he has a new family now. Hook then runs away from the lost boys to join a nearby pirate crew. The flashback ends, and Peter tells him he can finally be reunited with his memories of his dear father, and the crocodile eats him.
Realizing Peter's fear/hatred is that of growing up, and playing on his ignorance, she works her way into his bed where she takes his first time, and then after tells him he is an adult now. His expression changes from pleasure to horror and his shadow strangles himself to death, before flying across the ground and into the body of Wendy's brother.
With Peter dead, Wendy runs to her brother to try once more to talk sense into him, but he says she has been naughty and Tinkerbell knocks her out. Later we see her brother, dressed as Peter Pan, placing a Thimble next to his flute, with Wendy's voice now joining that of the previous unfortunate girl. Her brother then looks at Tinkerbell and says they need to go to London and find a new mother.
This is insane, masterpiece. I could imagine the whole 2.5 hour movie with all of the details and mix of information like why the hook doesn't have hand, why Peter is attached to little boys, the thing with giving imaginary food..
This is fucking genius!!! I’d pay big money to see this. The fact that I saw everything unfold while reading was scary and epic!
Wow!!!!!😮😮😮😮
@FreejayFree-qr2vd yeah, my thoughts were that the shadow slightly corrupts everyone near by, which is why her brothers have an irrational trust for Peter, and why(aside from fear) the lost boys haven't abandoned him despite knowing what he does. But for the one the shadow possess, in this case Peter and Micheal, the corruption is absolute.
@lilis.6779 just added hook backstory, it's worth a reread. Or you can just skip to the third to last paragraph, that's were the new meat is.
You missed the part where Peter returned to england but Wendy was too old, so he fell in love with her grand daughter, Moira. And that's when he decided he would never go back to neverland, because he wanted to be a daddy. Peter was then brought into the great ormond street hospital by "granny Wendy" until she found American parents who would adopt him. He was only 12, nearly 13! And that's when he became known as Peter Banning. He spent the 1960's as an accountant, and by the year 1991 he was Peter Banning: Attorney at Law - spearheading a company that specializes in mergers and aquisitions (while dabbling a bit in real estate). Now middle aged, Peter is a cold selfish man who drinks too much, is obsessed with success, and rund and hides from his wife and children. It has been 10 years between visits for Peter and granny Wendy, but him and his family travel on to England (although Peter hates to fly) to attend a ceremony for the board of trustees of the great ormond street hospital, which is dedicsting a wing of the building to Wendy. While Peter, Wendy, and Moira are out for the evening, hook kidnaps his 2 children Jack (10) and Maggie (8), in an attempt to Lure Peter back to Neverland for the final duel. (For you see, Hook killed that cunning crocodile, stuffed him, and turned him into a quiet clock).
There's only one problem: He is Peter Pan alright, but he's been away from neverland so long, his mind's been pacified - HE'S FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING!
🤣🤣🤣 I still love that movie even though it's nothing like Peter Pan!
1 problem with 60s statement is tht when he meets her grand daughter therre is aposter of abeatles song that came out in 64.so he decided to stay on earth in the 60s
u just wrote a whole summary on the movie "hook" lmao
Guns Mackoy that was a fantasy, it’s not really what happened as it’s just a movie and the author of the book never wrote it nor talked about it
Guns Mackoy and Wendy’s grand daughter’s name was Margaret actually (she’s Jane’s only daughter) and it’s said in the last page in his book
Hold up Wendy had a daughter named JANE.... JANE from TARZAN!!!!
i love how all the other comments are basically more creepy ass stories about peter pan and then there's this comment wonderful comment!! Honestly, knowing disney, she may very well be jane from tarzan
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN
I've heard that one🌻
Evangeline Sage I don’t think so, they did a whole other movie on her daughter so...
Why ur text so long
I watched this video yesterday, and had to read a bit more on the subject. Now, in the middle of the night, I woke up and everything seemed clear to me.
You left out the fact J.M. Barrie was described as an asexual person by many, including Nico Llewellyn Davies. Nico and Michael were the closest ones to "uncle Jim", so he ought to know.
As to the letter to Michael: I think it's a metaphor. This is what my brains had cooking during the night: candle stands for a friend. Just like stars and lamp posts in more recent ones: they don't shorten the way, but light it up. If a candle was burning bad or crooked, it wouldn't light very well and on the other hand, drip. Of being greasy: at that time, at least in Finland which is my home country, things were like this: wax candles were rare. They were better and more expensive, so they had them mostly in churches. If you hadn't got enough money, you would make your own candles out of grease. It didn't light that we'll and smelled a bit bad, but you had light. So, basically J.M. Barrie is telling Michael: I'm one of your friends and happy to be, though I suck at it.
And what comes to post scriptum: he writes to a child who is one of five and used to being just one of the gang. Saying this makes him feel special. It might also be uncle Jim feel a bit guilty to have favourites among them, so he adds: don't tell anyone. I also find this part a bit childish, which correlates with my image of Barrie. He knows how child's mind works, and is actually closer to it than being an adult. In this letter he says to a fellow child: I'm a bit bad friend, but you are one special friend to me, and that's our secret. Let me tell you a secret: it's the way 7-year-olds make secrets all over the world. All day and every day.
I would like to say case closed. But I'd like your comments on this?
Good theorie! I like to believe this one
This is very true...I had an uncle who used to play with me as a kid (we used to make paper animals and stuff), but then as I grew up he didn't know how to approach me, as I was young woman and no longer that kid anymore. I guess sometimes, growing up is sad.
I like this explanation... It makes sense for their time period. Language is fluid and has changed quite a bit over time ( the meanings of words and phrases). Yes, you can say the letter looks creepy and screams child predator, but then you have to take into consideration the semantics of that era as well. We will never know for sure though.
I agree. When he read the last line saying don't tell anyone, I instantly thought about my uncle. He would tell me I was his Fav and not to tell anyone and then say the exact same thing to my sisters and cousins. My Aunt did the same thing, but I actually was her fav, and she didn't want anyone to feel bad.
My professor told us about how J. M. Barrie's testes never dropped because of how much his mother lamented over the brother's death. It probably had a psychological effect on him that hindered his development.
Peter Pan’s first appearance as a baby in “The Little White Bird” has him flying with fairies in a park at night only to find his mother holding another baby and the window locked when he tried to return. I always believed it was revealed that Peter Pan was dead in the ending and his mother was holding his lifeless body or was kidnapped by the fairies and replaced with a changeling.
Tinker bell was always there’s for Peter Pan
And Peter?
He chose Wendy darling
Edit: guys I’m just quoting a quote pls don’t attack me, this is a McDonald’s drive thru
She was a fairy and significantly smaller than pan he still values bells friendship
He didn’t really choose her
She raised him she is more like his mother
he didnt choose anyone neccisarrily, he said wendy was like a mother. so there was no choosing
This is an audio on TikTok 🤣
"That's a whole another level of friendzone" omg I laughed so hard!
i'm just writing this, not exactly referring to this video, but generally for all of jon's videos:
the more i watch these videos, the more i realize i'm not only learning the origins of these stories, but more of HISTORY itself. when he goes into the detail regarding the time it was written and the different written pieces from the sources he researched, there's SO MUCH we are processing as viewers in terms of the language of those times, the culture of the area the source came from, what was the general mentality and beliefs of the people at that time, heck even the politics of those times!
it's like watching a historical tv show like game of thrones, reign, without actually watching it, and no sugarcoating, just straight facts.
jon, in other words, you've basically become a low-key source of history for us as well! thank you!!
Just being honest this would be a great horror movie
this is so true
O_O Yup!
It's getting one
They already thought of that before you
@@MidnightPhantom really? what's the name?
I'm surprised he never mentioned the movie Hook, which seemed to take a lot of stuff from the books. Peter's origin story was pretty much the White bird story where fairies came and took him from his cradle. He also found bars on his windows when he tried to go back home.
At least one of the Lost Boys went home with Wendy and grew old, and Wendy did start an orphanage/children's hospital.
Peter did forget about Wendy and came back to find her old, the difference being that he _married_ her granddaughter instead of taking her to Neverland. He also forgot about his children for a while when he reverted back to Peter Pan. And he did serve the Lost Boys imaginary food.
I'm pretty sure Ruffio, at least, was an invention of the 90s. XD
Ruffio was the best character!
I once heard a scary version of this when I was a kid. It basically said that Peter was some kind of demon and the Darling girls were cursed to be visited/lured away from their family by him every generation.
This is absolutely INSANE! As a child I remember seeing this film and thinking “I’m missing something “. Well, our friend Jon just filled us in a little.
You should do Hunchback of Notre Dame! I know the movie itself is dark but the original story is also really dark
hpdisneyfan Jon solo needs to do this!!
Surprised he hasn’t done this yet..the original B&W movie was pretty darn accurate to the story..
Yasssssssss
hpdisneyfan yeah I Absolutely agree though some of the parts of that movie is scary
Duke Holley YES!
You forgot the part where Captain Hook and the pirates actually find the Lost Boys’ hideout and plan to make a poisoned cake for the lost boys and fails
The forgetfulness of Peter Pan could be the author's way of describing dissociative episodes consistent with someone who has their own terrible trauma. Interesting information!
This made me realize how close the 2003 peter pan live-action film is to the original story. Down to every detail.
RIGHT?!
It's nostalgic (for me at Least). And accurate to the original source!!
Also, the soundtrack is amazing!
You left out the part where one of the boys committed suicide with is gay lover. And peter himself committed suicide later in life while sorting out the former brother's letters and such so yeah there's that.
Learn how to interpret shit correctly jesus. I don't know how it isn't possible to learn any language when the internet exist...
@s dizzle Maybe it is new to you, but not EVERY psychological problem is caused by heavy trauma... They could have become depressed as adults for a reason completely unrelated to child abuse
@@elecrom_9757 The probability does seem extremely high compared to most people, it's rare for a suicide at all in a family let alone two. Along with all the other information we've been presented it's at least a possibility.
There are studies showing that having sibling committing suicide (significantly) rises chances of other siblings also committing it (specially as t also rises chances of becoming alcoholic, which again rises chance of suicide), so unfortunately this is not that improbable.
Other possible reasons, which I just found on Wikipedia could be the fact that both his wife and his kids had Huntington's. Talk about depressing.
On the original version there is a place called “Nowhere land” where Peter takes the lost boys who grow up
That's from a sequel made in 2006.
Wendy : *takes on role of mother*
Wendy : *Doesn't even have her period lol*
Nani
WHaT!?!?!?!?!?!?
🖖🏻Periods have nothing to do with it! I was The oldest kid maybe 8 years old (till I was 12 ) and only girl in my neighborhood and I was always nurturing and looking after the boys and they knew it and always loved playing with me (I was also a tomboy) in fact we all stopped hanging out once we all hit puberty LOL! In fact the adults called me the little mother. Some girls are naturally “Motherly” (Wendy was also the eldest child)👩🏻🦰
Ever seen a toddler take care of a doll as if she were a mother? I have. Lots of times. Little girls like to pretend that they are their moms. Kids learn from observing adults, and girls are generally very nurturing. You don't have to have full breasts and a period to be a mother figure to other kids.
that has nothing to do with it??? your disgusting get a life “lol”
5:15 "It turns out that a magical child with the memory of a goldfish. Not the best at raising children" -- Jon Solo.
I mean all you have to do is watch once upon a time to know how creepy Peter Pan is
Mia, once upon a time isn't Canon.
Mia yass
You say creepy I say HOT
@@jazzyb3251 yazzz
Where can I find that show
Wendy:I love you
Peter pan:im 110 years old
Wendy: /:(
I have never seen Peter Pan the movie nor ever read the story. I came here curious because I have been following stories on Michael Jackson and he keeps bringing up Peter Pan. There is so much irony here and I am really creeped out right now.
Michael Jackson was innocent and he always said he referenced the Disney version of peter pan
Shlisa Shell same here. Just makes you think especially how similar their personal lives were
Nicholas Llewelyn Davies, the 5th brother who inspired Peter Pan to JM Barrie said Barrie was an asexual.
Well done!
I too find Barrie's conduct towards the Davies children questionable. Due to the unfortunate experiences of our society as a whole, Barrie's words and deeds would not go unnoticed in the 21st century.
Hence the Michael Jackson situation
Other than its origins, one interesting thing about Peter Pan is how adults and children viewed him. Adults saw him as a bully and a mean character. Children saw him as a model to follow, a hero and leader - all around fun. I guess that the perception we acquire from newly gained experiences either allows us to gauge thinga better or completely ruins that innocense... Or both.
Please please *please* do Alice in Wonderland I will gladly give you my essay on Lewis Carrol! I had to do it for my college English class. Alice in Wonderland is my favorite movie and Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland is my favorite book.
Cheshire Wonderland yes!!! I need this!
Cheshire Wonderland i believe he already did
Lewis Carroll is also kinda creepy as an author...
Yoonmi Kim Well, he was a Jack the Ripper suspect.
David Roberson that makes no sense
I love how Jon Solo tells his stories, he just makes everything interesting.
I never understood how hook killed his own Pirates so easily with a gun but the crocodile was always there and no one ever tried to shoot it.
The crocodile was aging.
I really appreciate your little summaries of the movies before telling the story. It really helps a person when they don't remember/know the Disney story. Thank you.😊
That’s a whole nother level of friend zone
Lucy Heartfelia dragneel Mother zone😂
A whole mother level of something! That's for sure. Eh, different strokes for different folks. Hahaha
I thought the part where Peter friend zoned (more like mother-zones) Wendy was hilarious because of how he said that’s a whole another level of friend-zoned
Dang... people really didn’t know that old stories were actually dark/messed up? Disney just makes the stories kid friendly. If Disney made the movies how the stories were told and young children watch them, they would probably have nightmares (lol).
They should make some original adult versions coz these stories would be so cool to watch.
Disney lied to us 😭
Just to clarify one thing- had to stop watching when you said "i imagine he's luring kids away in a public park" .... in the book, (its a book btw.. not a short story) the Little White Bird, Peter was saved from freezing to death by the birds that nested on an island in the middle of the lake at the park. they kept him warm in their nests. he spent a long time on the island but eventually went back to the park itself. on occasion he would find lost children who had frozen to death or victims of the fairies. the gates of the park were locked every evening. anyone who didnt leave the park at the appointed time would be locked in for the night.
The fairies didn't like humans witnessing or meddling in their affairs and would kill them.. Peter wasn't luring anyone to his little kids only fantasy land.... he was trying to save their lives.
the story is fictional......
I don’t believe this ine
He was not trying to save them... That would be Captain Hook... Peter Pan would kill the lost boys if they tried to return home
It is never outright said that Peter kills them, it's just said that he "thins them out". When I read the story as a child, I used to think that he sent them back to the "real world" or just told them to scram. I have read tons of stuff about this story, it's outright one of my favourite books in the world.
Maybe they were lost in spirits and after a long and playfull life they were found and helped out.
Some men are lost children that a only child could be the only way.
I think it’s implied that he culled them lol
Thinning them out usually means 'killing' and I think it means 'killing' in the book.
Literally just wrote a paper on this.
King GriffinHammer I love your coment
What did your paper say
Maggie Pooh I had to examine the character of Peter Pan, and discuss what I think of the character,
King GriffinHammer sounds interesting.
are you fucking twelve
in what world would turn
There's nothing wrong with an adult and a child being good friends perse, but as soon as the adult is trying to get the kid to keep it a secret, that's at least slightly suspicious if not outright cause for concern.
Disagree. Theres a difference between being nice to a kid/friendly and being their friend. Friends are on equal level, theres a massive power dynamic regarding adults and children especially if the adult doesn't have any connection to the parents (such as a family friend/relative). Its just plain weird. Not saying that every adult befriending kids is a bad guy but its definitely something to look at.
@@Markus2E5I6 if it's really just a friendship then it's pretty much like being a surrogate uncle, but the letter with the weird candle analogy and request to keep the relationship a secret is very damning.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 I'm not wording it correctly because I can't find the right words for what I mean exactly but what I'm trying to say is its ok to be friendly but to be friends is just weird. For instance if your making them a friend like you would friend another adult (invite them to your house, go shopping together, discuss work/life etc) then thats just a bit alarming. But if you are just being friendly when you happen to meet up and play with them like kids (like you said a surrogate uncle) but if you are going out your way to make plans with a kid who isn't yours or even a relative of yours then its definitely weird.
I can't explain why its weird. Being a surrogate uncle/father/family friend isn't bad but that also isn't being friends with them its being friendly but not being friends. But if you ask an adult who his best friend is and he seriously says a random kid (without that kid being near cause obviously people would say it around the kid to keep him happy) he's not related to then I would definitely warn the parents or try to get to the bottom of it.
@@Markus2E5I6 the semantics we use are different but we're basically saying the same thing, nothing wrong with acting like a surrogate uncle but when you write quasi love letters telling a kid how deeply you care for them and asking them to keep the fact secret is suspicious to say the least, the request to keep the level of this affection a secret specifically implies a far more sinister nature behind these feelings, moreso than everything else he wrote down.
You could argue he'd fear being misunderstood if parents knew, but telling their kid to keep secrets with him behind their backs is still not something you should do, and only further incriminates him in my opinion, of course we can't know for sure what happened, but the suspicions are more founded than not at all.
Peter Pan is one of my favourite Disney movies and I actually did a lot of research on it before, so I wanted to see if we found out the same info. The only thing I hadn’t found was the letter to Michael lol.
I do. Not. Like. Or bidet👎
Follow up:
There was a time...
When I was alone
No where to go
And no place to call home
My only friend was the man in the moon and sometimes he would go away too
Then one night as l closed my eyes, l saw a shadow flying high.
Told me he wanted to talk for a while
He said Peter Pan that's what they call me
I promise that you’ll never be lonely
The Once Upon Peter Pan was the villain in the show. He draws in "LOST BOY" with his pipe. Lost Boys are boys that don't feel at home with their family but they are in a trance. His shadow is like the island's guardian that gave his ability to not age. Captain Hook was actually a pirate captain that went to the island and was then a prisoner of the island by peter pan.
I think the fear of modern day child predators makes it easy to find misconduct where there may not be.
There is a biography of J.M. Berrie that the author interviewed the youngest Lewellyn-Davies son (Nico) multiple times before he passed away and he always said the relationship was never inappropriate and he remained close with Berry until he died. In the letter he probable meant not to tell his brothers and the clothes he said he wished he could she him wear it not change into it. People want there to be something sinister in the relationship so they look for it.
I heard Captain Hook as a kid was one of the slaves of Peter Pan until Captain Hook was getting older which means Peter Pan will kill him. But Captain Hook escape from Peter Pan . And Captain Hook is getting revenge of killing Peter Pan .
Watching this video and reading all these comments... I'm never gonna look at Peter the same way, tho he was my childhood crush. I never saw the dark side of the story when I was young.
Honestly you should ignore most of these comments. It's clear most of them have never read the original book and are just repeating internet theories and half remembered dark retellings. I have always adored Peter Pan and gave read the book many times. Other retellings are to be taken with a grain of salt.
All I knew was the OUAT version of Peter Pan who’s evil-but I will always love Pan (mainly cuz he is evil lol)
Evil? Hes batshit crazy
In real life he is a Greek god who rapes and kills people
@@ImMexicanDude that's a big oof
YES. IM ON SEASON 3 OF OUAT AND PAN HAS THE CURSE ATM. I ACCIDENTALLY SAW A SPOILER WHERE HOOK AND EMMA GET MARRIED? WHAT HAPPENS TO BAE?
@@ibster8431 do you really want that to know? I know it, but it is spoiling
the messed up origins of hunckback of norte dame or the fox and the hound
and, is anyone but me upset that there is a rape scene in huntchback?
You missed a part. Captain Hook tried to poison Peter but Tinkerbell drank it instead. It was supposed to be Peter's medicine
WHY DIDINT PETER GO WITH TINKERBELL SHE SAVED HIM EIDNEJEKEKJEJE
The true question is wth was she in his meds?
Of course heroes take out the real villains 💯🤦🏻♂️
@@XxEmpty_EscapexX693
She saw Hook poisoning it and tried to warn Peter but Peter wasn’t listening to she drank it to prevent him from doing so
When I was a kid I got a version of Peter Pan stuck in my head that I’ve never known where it came from but I think I hybrid the story of the Penguin from Batman. Anyway, I remember peters mother leaving him in his stroller in the park in the cold until he “went to never land” at the very beginning. I’ve always thought of neverland as limbo.
I like this story and thanks for the thorough explanation, Jon!
While I was digging up more information about J.M Barrie, I felt that he was actually a kind man who genuinely loved children. He took care of not only the Davis children until they grew up, but also their kids (for example Niko's daughter, since he was the last remaining Davis). Too bad people misinterpreted it as pedophilia. At the end of the days, I think Barrie was just a lonely man (probably because his mother preferred his dead brother more than Barrie himself, and later didn't have a happy marriage since his wife cheated on him and thus had no kids his own) who happened to be in search for comfort in childhood. After all, he didn't get much love from his parents and was sent away to be with his elder brother. Could be one of the reasons why he cared and adored Davis children that much. It's like when you experience something awful and you dont want others to have the same awful experience as you. At least that's what I get from reading his biography.
So I had this thought last night about why didn’t Peter just end up with Wendy?
Like come one! He clearly liked her and so did she!
Years later her daughter liked her EX!
WTH!
Anyway I searched up why haven’t they ended up together for several hours now
They didn't end up because he saw her as a mother not a girlfriend
Yeah it's true but Disney likes 2 tease us.
You must be high AF 😂😂
@@maytalacedo2942 oh hey again. Why are you here tho XD
He didnt like her, he said "You're a mother to me and I'm your loyal son" to her.
there's this really great fanfiction of Peter pan called peter pan in scarlet which actually got published, and I think they directly mention some of the things that happened in real life
3:57 That sounds more like short term memory loss than childhood innocence.
The only way to understand the Peter Pan story is reading _"The little white bird"_ and the _"Peter Pan"_ story. Peter Pan is a complex character, he isn't good or bad he's just Peter Pan.
Chaotic neutral is what we D&D nerds call it 😂😂😂
From my experience, it appears that Peter Pan, as depicted by it's original author, suffered from severe PTSD. What do you guys think?
What is PTSD?
@@sybilguiasingson Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
@@minna5174 hi! Thank you for replying! I appreciate it! Thanks a lot!💜💜💜
@@sybilguiasingson how old are you are you 7
@@niggato23 I'm 16. Are you criticizing me?
The boy who never grows up, the boy who can fly, the boy who fights the bad guys, whose the hero of his own storytelling and lives in a magical world full of imagination where anything's possible. Sounds like the stuff of every young boys dreams...including mine at one point. SO however this story came about one thing is for sure, it will always be popular and will always speak to children of all ages and genres for generations to come. If this story was a tribute at all to J.M.Barries brother who died, well it's a fantastic one and a beautiful legacy to have created on behalf of his brother. Maybe, just maybe he always liked to think, that's what happened to his brothers soul after death. Doesn't matter as Peter Pan is simply a great legend and a wonderful story.
Totally agree. We'll never know how JM Barrie really related to those kids, but it's nice to think of his stories as innocent fun.
Watching the disney version and especially the parts where the lost boy, reminds me of my childhood.
When they all talk amongst themselves, they start fighting and wrestling. Thats how it was with me and my 2 bros. Fishguts and pixy dust, blackeyes from stones in mudpies, and learning to solve problems with punches.
Its a pirates life for me.:.:
Ummm...if Peter Pan never aged how did he get so big???
Emerald Magic Inconsistent writing.
MMMAGIC
He ate his veggies.
The magic of 💉
he reached a certain age then was never able to age again
Barrie was a fine writer, and the original 'Peter and Wendy' novel
is a great read---surprisingly unsentimental---and filled with dark,
mordant humor that will appeal to adults. Highly recommended.
It's worth noting that Barrie's secretary was Lady Cynthia Asquith,
who became famous as a ghost story anthologist.
In spite of all the wild speculation, there is no evidence that Barrie
(whatever his private thoughts) ever behaved inappropriately with
a child. Indeed, there's no evidence that any of his contemporaries
even suspected him of any dubious inclinations involving kids.
amen. and ----sigh----
1 thing you got wrong, the statement of evidence, in law evidence is any piece of information brought into a case so for example if someone testifies that you did a crime, there testimony is EVIDENCE even if it turns out to be alie its still evidence
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Great job! Peter Pan always creeped me out. Now, even more. Fascinating stuff!
One thing you're leaving out that was in the play Captain Hook was revealed to be Peter Pan's grown-up Self. When he tricks Peter into starting to become adult he starts to become Captain Hook and later on Wendy has to bring him to his senses with a kiss.
Shit, I got so excited when I saw the tittle of the video (always wanted to know Peter Pan's true story) but I legitimately screamed when I saw it was from your channel!! Thank you so much for making it!
BluueApple K. You are so welcome!!!
MURDOC.
m u r d o c ni c c a l s
BluueApple K. *Tittle*