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Thanks to the viewer who requested this episode on welding rusty, nasty, garbage material. Today we're showing you how to use a cellulose stick rod to weld through the thickest rust we could find.
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I love how he sounds personally hurt over having to weld rust
Shit ain’t pleasant to work on.
In school we welded on rust all the time. Be man and get thru it. That’s what is welders do
Daryl Daniels hahahaha
When you invest to learn and make a career on welding it usually is to get access to better paying jobs and that involves tests and liability on what you are doing, so welding on rusty junk grabbed off a field is what you don't want anything to do with.
Anyone can stick some junk to rig sh1t on the farm hahaha
@@LMSILVIA dad actually used that as a test for welders in interview
“Stanky paint” licks random piece of greasy steel flake,”I better not taste that”. Love watching this guy. He’d definitely doing this video under protest lol
Should someone warn him not to lick greasy rusty steel flakes? I figure the rule about not licking the windows in the school bus has some merit so maybe there should be a comparable rule for welding?
🤣🤣
Shit had me fuckin weak had to find a comment about this, wtf did I just witness dawg
Gotta taste it to find out if it's lead paint or not
This guy is the real deal...so relatable!
i repair dumpsters for a living, and let me tell you, welding through 2 layers of paint, a thick layer of trash grime, and with paper thin rusty steel means i might as well build them a new dumpster from scratch lol.
I rebuilt an old trailer. Half its mass is 7018.
@jami w Easier to but more time consuming to weld them with stick, if it's in decent shape you can run mig or if you're replacing old with new metal you can run mig (because it's brand new steel). A single good pass is all you really need, they don't need to pretty thery're dumpsters
@jami w Flux core burns a bit too hot imo, when you're trying to work with material that's fraction of what is supposed to be
I can't even, garbage juice reminds me of my time in the Army. Kudos to those who have to weld through that stank.
Sounds like my rotten thin john deere mower deck and wagons I done it was hard the first time trying because the metal was full of rot holes and just about shot metal kinda not worth welding but it's all I have
“I better not taste that”
preps that should be Tested , By cutting through The stock to point out the weld characteristics & whether the seal as suffered a crystallisation the welding prose Or it's , age
mMmm Lea Thompson my dream girl
I think its guaranteed its going to fail. but its going still to be strong enough to bounce that old chevy off one more tree out in the back 40acre. right?
tootn on camera
This is cleary not the waterjet channel
6011 is known as "Farmer's Rod" around these parts. Cow crap, rust, paint, all sorts of gunk, it'll hold it together and get you through the day!
#fatrod
I thought it was 6013
@@ruedaricardo
6013 is a universal kind of stick
6011 /6010 is the kind that digs
in any event
6010/6011 is pipeliner rod for deep pen on the root pass, yes it also digs through crud but its chunky rough and prone to blow through.
6013 is "farmer rod" but more because it is all position, easy to use, strong enough for most tasks, and unlike 7018 it doesn't need continuous oven storage or hermetic packaging to get its rated properties. (It still helps to give it an hour at 220f if it is old and been around humidity.)
every day I work welding the cargo on the boats and that's the best you can find ... sometimes I find ships with almost a centimeter of rust before finding healthy metal. Every day I have to fight with rust, paint and water ... When I find a boat in good conditions, tears come to my eyes ... 😁
I own a '48 diamond t body that I'm putting on a 70s chevy frame. There is very little metal left on That body
I work and weld on older vehicles in the northeast US (New Hampshire) and thought that I'd seen some rust, but not daily and not a centimeter thick; I feel your pain and hope you find some clean-ish metal to weld on soon!
I live in Hawaii and sadly any thing made with metal (especially vehicles) rust away just like the boats you work on
I like fish and chips.
I'm glad I don't have your job!
5:46: Starts welding.
7:53: Talks about the results.
10:59: 6011 block, welding.
12:59: 6011 results.
15:09: 332.
17:29: Discussion.
20:12 : Toots on Camera
Thank God
This guy is hilarious and he's not even trying.
I think a lot of old welders just do that 😂
@@animex2569 -- His accent and colloquialisms kind of reminds me of Ron White...
@@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire Yes...spot on
'High-end industrial rust....' lol
"Hey guys. Watch me make a better weld on a disgusting surface than you can on a pristine surface."
That weld looks like ass for being a flat in a shop,
You didn’t have to personally attack me my instructor said my weld was really good he said all the lumps and the un strait weld gave it a lot of caricature and unique
Bob is so laid back, i bet it takes a lot to make him mad but when you do lookout! He is a true master teacher!
Most of the welding I do for the railroad is nasty rusted metals. This was very educational.
Ha. When you see how much emphasis everyone puts on having surgically clean metal before you weld on it, you must chuckle a little bit.
Railroad carman also, this is every frickin day.
@sheparddog117 lineashing pads kn a grinder and away you go its worth the extra
@@christopherbrewer4421 I hope you were welding all that galvanized & paint from an up-wind position on a windy day!
He took a dead leaf off of that rusty steel and tasted it. Respect..
7:39
"I'm gonna fix these holes that I created."
That's me!
Something you don't really see through a helmet is when the flux on the end of your rod catches on fire and just slowly burns like a candle! Just something else to keep an eye on, I guess!
As someone who just got a welder and is using scrap yard finds, I appreciate this! Ventilation, standing back, patience... the importance of keeping the surface as clean as possible! It really helps!
I hope the guys trying to get into shipyard welding are paying close attention to this. This is exactly what you are going to face on those ships and definitely all barges lol. Once again great video mr Bob.
Alot of rust you mean?
Just for kicks and giggles it would be interesting to see some joints with clean and identical joints with the rusty crusties. Then break them apart in the vise and see if there is noticeable real world difference. We all know the ideal conditions we shoot for but as you said sometimes you just got to do with what you got. Good video. Take care. Doug
That would be worth watching for sure.
Yeah good idea
"Some kinda foliage" this dudes sense of humor cracks me up.
My dad is retired #63 iron worker in Chicago
this was normally what he played with on daily basis- nasty rusty beams- great video!
“I think I tooted on camera” 🤣🤣🤣, sir, your about as real as the come. Love your videos !
😂😂😅😆
This was excellent. I was welding some rusty old ship chain links for a mailbox. First time ever dealing with something like this. I am a weekend welder and getting those links together was a bitch. I had some nasty, ugly welds I had to clean-up with a grinder. The project was destined for a wildflower garden.
I could listen to Bob all day everyday. I appreciate everything about this man. Thank you!
Single funniest video Bob has done yet!!! His descriptions are hilarious!
This has helped me understand what problems I have are due to my ineptness and which ones are due to the old scrap I’ve been practicing on. Thanks
Don't call it 'ineptness'...just call it a learning opportunity! Show me someone that's welded perfect from the start, and I'll invite you to a party with Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Lucky Charms Leprechaun!
Hi Bob, thanks for showing some "real world" welding. :) Just like I have done in the marine (barge) repair industry. Everything there is rusty from being in water for years. Mostly welding with 3/16" 6010 rods, 160A, vertical up and overhead. Mostly inside barge or towboat hulls where it's dark, hot, and uncomfortable, and they want water-tight welds. Holds towboats together when pushing thousands of tons of barges so it must make a strong weld.
160 is too much i would say for a 3mm rod.
@@dfsdfsdsfsdfsdfs6694 Wow, I forgot that I wrote this three years ago. I agree that 160A was too hot, especially for the 1/4 in. material they mainly used for construction. Apparently, they felt that too much was better than not enough.
You got the certified tungsten dipper sticker on the banner, love it!!! Bob you’re the man sir!
i just started working for a small company that repairs garbage dumpsters oily rusty material is all they weld im having more than a few problems adjusting to this so im thankfull you
doing this
I've learned more from this video than most welding videos I've watched so far.
Why?
Because you're showing real world welding.
Repairing holes you broke through, how impurities affect the weld,....
It's really valuable seeing mistakes being done and how to fix/avoid them.
"Texas tig" cracked me up, where I live we call it Tijuana tig and anyone who has done time in the "field" has done it. Love your videos.
hubifornia
Oh yes. i sure have done my fair share of stick tiggin filling up gaps and welding thin material up hill. Lol
He cant say "Tijuana Tig" or the offended people would be protesting outside the college.
I have to do the Texas Tig routine from time to time doing handrail after an apprentice gets a hold of the welder.
The BBQ Jerk people don’t say Tijuana tig because they don’t want to give credit to the Mexicans duh
Chris Hurlbut, i still run a little slow occasionally and burn a hole in a handrail and have to country boy tig the holes up. The 6010 3/32” is my go to rod for welding up handrail. Good penetration and only a little hit with grinder if you want slick up the weld but not really necessary. Makes for a strong, good looking handrail.
Once again people ask and you deliver!! I learned something new! yes we can weld on nasty stuff and you taught me a better way to fix my burn through. Thank you Bob, you are a Bad Ass beyond belief!! great video 👍👍
Did a lot of this on the Mississippi River repairing barges and working in a train car shop with dual shield. 3/16 6011 and .045 ultracore wire. Working with this crap will really make you appreciate good clean steel and will also make it easier for you.
Amen to that
I repair railcars currently and it’s a beast getting up in to the frame trying to see and be able to weld that paint and rust when you can’t get a grinder or a wire brush in there
Alex Babillis m
I’ve never actually got to weld truly clean steel. From the day I was handed a stinger and told, “don’t fuck up” to now I can’t actually remember a clean piece of steel.
@@gavinatkins2671
So you can proudly call yourself a master welder as it is easy to weld in a controlled environment shiny metal plates . But in reality people who can joint scrappy rusty metal together without crying should be named a Master Welders . Respect 🖒🖒🖒
You are the Doctor Phil of welding, Very educational and soothing to listen to.
6011 on a simple ac buzzbox is my favorite for this senario
@Michael Ortiz Doesn't 6011 run on DCEP or AC?
@Michael Ortiz 6010's on DCEP only...
6011's on DCEP or AC
It's what makes the 6011 the "farmer's rod" because farmer's rarely have choices in their fields... it's whatever piece of cranky clattering crap you can even get to function. ;o)
😲😍 he mentioned reverse polarity! I never hear straight/reverse polarity anymore😁 (-/+ electrode).
Thank you so much for doing this bit on welding rust! Another application this comes in handy is in my line of work where you want to keep as much of the paint and original rusty patina in order to really give scrap metal sculptures an authentic old weathered look. Sometimes the different colors of old paint left on the metals are difficult to get through, but will leave a very unique look to the sculpture. Love your always informative and top notch videos and tips!!
Great video! Your the first welder I know that admits their mistakes! Much respect!!Also that Texas tig welding is a good idea on some applications. I learned something also. Thanks!
Reminds me of 1960s&70s on old worn out logging equipment! I love it! !
19:30 and after was the best. Even after 20 watches it's still comical.
I love him.
He's human too.
The best part is him holding the rod on the piece and the thing strikes a perfect arc on the ground clamp 😂
I love this as well. This guy is hilarious.
so glad you posted this comment, i was gonna click away!
comedy gold. this guy is the true King of the Hill.
Bro 🤣🤣
I couldn't stop watching after I picked up that he has expertice and humor. He taught me somethings and reminded me of many forgotten facts and tricks I had learned in the past welding many different projects and repairs on rusting and fouled up cruddy steel.
This was very reminiscent of years gone by fixing old farm machinery. Absolutely loved the last bit of "out takes".
Thanks for a great video!
"Messed up", you know you did that on purpose to teach us how to repair holes when you forget to turn down your heat. Haha. Great videos. I watch them all.
Rust welding
Things people don’t like doing but still do
Especially if your school's ag shop can't afford to buy new, clean metal... not that I would know....
I do it professionally. I build brand new trailers out of steel thats stored outdoors.
We did this many times, equipment broke down in the fields “temporary repairs” these welds are still holding 40 years later.
There is quite the difference between it holding up on a trailer versus a bridge for instance, which is the reason it's always a preference to try and clean the surface as well as possible, if only to at least get a steady connection the whole way.
try welding on used ag equipment rust and dirt is what you will deal with and steal that varies in thickness
This is what you never see someone do online and it's what we all have to do for El Cheap... The best learner video for sure! Especially with the rod explanations and flux types to make it happen.
This is why my dad went out and bought enough 6011 and 6010 rods when I was first learning to weld when I was little. I couldn't even hold the amount of rods he'd bought. A lot of rust and oil on tractor implements like hay equipment, boxblades, and discs.
I guess it made really me good at less than perfect welding conditions, but when I graduated to clean steel... I couldn't understand why I was having to haul a$$ the whole time! Now I don't go near it if I can help it without a grinder because it does take too long to get wrapped up! Still, I learned more than a few things from this video and the mill scale versus rust videos. I would much rather the rust without a grinder than mil scale without a grinder!
Thanks 👍🏼
As always GREAT entertainment. Learning and having fun. Can't beat it! Thanks Bob.
Thank You for doing this some never know the trouble it is to do a welding repair!
This is why I love arc welding!
I was the material prep man at a machine and welding shop after school and on weekends. As such I apprenticed welding stuff that should have been scraped, the two rod two step or Texas Tig was frequently required because much of the material being welded on was more thick scaly rust than good metal. Our shop did ornamental iron, structural and repairs on all sorts of things. The boss was the best Aluminum and Stainless Steel TIG welder around. A journeyman, very good welder and I spent about 15 hours in a sinking barge building duct seal boxes and welding them to the super structure of the barge around bulkheads where a sinker bobber log, very large log had came up up under the barge hull ripped the bottom hull and buckled the bulkhead. I was doing most of the cutting and fitting we were working in a very small area, very dark except reflection off the chromed skin of the tanks holding 5 million gallons of liquified propane. I was making $3.65/hr snd the journeyman $6.65 or $6.85(can’t remember for sure that was late 1973. I was in my senior year in high school. There were 4 other 2 man welding crews surveilling the job that walked off the job before starting after it was announced what was in in the tanks on the 3 or 4 massive tanks on the barge. A doubled sheet of canvas was strung under the barge to slow the influx of water snd several pumps from 5” to 3 “ were running continuously until the deck hands let all but 2 smaller pumps run out. Water went from about 5-6” dept yo mid calf deep in a
Short order. I was ready to leave the barge when the 5 million gallons of liquified propane was announced, as I nervously put my cigarette out. The guy I was with said relax, you’ll never know it if it blows up, probably makes sense. We had as already worked 5 hours on another job before being sent to that job. What adventures compared to store clerks snd burger flippers, Vocational education school work program. Would do it again.
I been welding over 30 years you are a good welder tack care
This channel is my favourite to get ready for my ranch welding tasks. Thanks so much, Mr. Bob for helping us get a handle on how to cope with what we need to do ;o)
Junk yard welding at it finest......love it
Joseph Leister
You damn right "this junk out of here" hahaa
I'm working on a job out here in Green River Wyoming and the plant will working at is a soda ash plant that produces baking soda and it is everywhere so the past couple days I've been welding with 7018 and have been frustrated out of my mind and ran out of that so I did find some 6010 and that has been day and night and this video has made me realize that 6010 is actually what I should be using and it is cutting through all this crap easily so thank you for this video
I love field repairs. Especially the ones with the two inch wide combo welds.
You know what I'm talking about. When you have thirty years of tig, mig, stick and gas/clothes hanger-bailing gum and bubble wire stacked to the point the last five "repair" welds where just that. They where welding weld ten inches from the original metal.
And now I get to play with it. Joy!
Best camera work yet. To bad it was on junk metal. Lol. Good job guys thanks for all your work. Bob is the man love watching this guy.
He makes it look easy as always. Great welder
Here is a real video of what we deal with in the field.
There just isn't always time to clean shit off properly.
Real video. Thank you fellas
Mr. Moffatt. Today i had my TIG classes and i struggled about buttweld (in my country its a PB position) on pipe. I was about to ragequit welding room and i haeard your voice inside my head "just walk the cup son". At the end of a day i pass my first module of certification and instructor started to teach me next level positions. Thanks for your advices and lessions on youtube.
lmao that ending. Sparks coming from wrong end XD
I better not taste that...lol! You're awesome Bob!
This makes me feel better. I weld really rusty stuff a lot and it makes nasty welds sometimes. Glad that a full blown badass welder like bob has issues too... I thought I was doing it wrong
Sometimes I just listen to Bob's videos to go to sleep. Educational and therapeutic
When I had to weld on really dirty, rusted, painted stuff I would take the rod and get a arc started and pass it over the place to be welded fast with a long arc. It would not leave any weld metal but it would blast away some of the deeper crud. After blasting away most of the crap I would try and clean the rest away with the hammer and wire brush.
Just a suggestion.
Greg Warner my dad does that too. I will eventually get him to get me welding again.
Stanky paint
“Stankin”
Firs time seeing your channel. It’s good to see a good welder get frustrated with bad steel. On my best day with good steel I can’t run as good a bead as you did here but I don’t get much practice. Thanks for being entertaining.
Bob, Thanx Bra. I'm learning to stick weld and watching this and other vids saves a lot of trial & error.. Picking out proper rod , amperage & technique .New subscriber, Thanx Again
its kinda nice to see a pro blow a hole through his work. Makes me feel not so bad when I have to fill a few holes.
Another great video brother and I'm so glad you're using a vacuum and a mask. If I may suggest, please use a proper filtered mask and not a dust mask. As a welder with over 35 years as a pipeline/Industrial welder and now a UA Instructor who learned the hard way, the fumes that burn off the rods are pure poison (read the caution label on the rod boxes). Keep up the great work brother.
For what it's worth, some of those paper masks ARE actually mean't for weld fumes. I'd have to go out to the shop to see what model number masks they are, but they work pretty well and they fit under my hood a lot better than my respirator. They're made by 3M and they have a check valve, I know that much....
Why be the health police? not to sound like a jerk not trying to but do you not think Bob has never read a box of rods? hes an instructor he knows the risk that's why he has half jokingly saying he was going to die. not dismissing your claim because its true but you have to know your audience, trust me he knows. plus why are you posting your resume? would that of made your comment more or less true? like Michael Major said the paper masks do block fumes- some of them. its a filter mask. re watch the video brother.
Welding Junkie, my job is not to be the health police brother but it IS my job as an Instructor to educate the next generation of welders and fitters in my Hall and I did not mean to post my resume or be arrogant. I just wanted to show that I have experience in the trade and was not boasting. I follow Bob and respect his work as an instructor and in the field, I admire and know all the work he puts in. He has admitted in a video that he has the shakes and please correct me if I am wrong, but this video is one of the rare ones that I have seen him use a mask and a ventilator. I applaud him for it and just wanted to let the next generation know the dangers of the poison that comes off the welding rods. I too was young and invincible, but I am paying for it now. Stay safe brother and please wear a mask when welding.
Totally get it as i said in my comment. I have many family members who weld on SUB'S its a big thing here is RI. It just sounded like you were trying to coach Bob not viewers, I agree people should wear masks but that's the case whether you have 3mo or 40 years on job. UA or no UA, unfortunately people don't wear them even if they know they should. Just came across wrong it sounded like " Hey im an instructor read the box dummy" im exaggerating for the point. Like i said wasn't trying to be a jerk because im sure you know your stuff but its all too common here on you tube now. Just make a video on it and get it out there, it comes across educational that way. BTW there are people on the subs wear safty gear to the max follow every rule then fall over the railing a die, when your times up its up! :)
For what its worth, I believe those masks are the N95
I grew up welding oil field pipe making ranch fences with pipe top rail. It was all rusty, but 6011 always did the job. These fences are still solid 45 years later.
Once again Bob you are the man haha , I've watched a ton of your videos but on this one it was amazing how fast you were feeding that rod but at the same time slow enough to keep that puddle going on obviously not favorable conditions! Thank you sir I really enjoy your videos and valuable information
Thanks Bob, I enjoyed seeing this, would be nice to see you clean off one side and just Ogre-weld the other so we can see how different the two are :)
Intro should've been "Shop welder here showing yall why the field crew makes twice what I make as I whine the entire time"
Lol
damn i love this guy's delivery/personality. what a unit.
Thanks for the details. Learning from the low amp ac welding on dirt materials. Hooked up to a generator with a old 80's 200ampcraftsman 60amp plug puts out 49 volts ac at tip with a new30 amp plug running half power.. works great.
Worst thing is underseal or bitumastic paint it wont grind or brush off,just spreads around and if it's old enough polishes to a bright black finish. It is also a good insulator so striking the arc is a job in it's own right. Best contaminant to weld is cement unless it's wet.
And on today's TH-cam random recommandations at 3 A.M. :
But im watching and its only 2:29 am lol
Thank you so much for doing this video. To date it's the best one I had watched of this subject of rust. I'm just getting started on welding but I know I'm going to have a lot of old junk stuff I have to work on.
Outstanding video friend. Great job. Keep up the great work. Thanks a lot. SC Navy vet.
Ah yes, the ancient Egyptian god of metalwork - Tootinoncamera! :)
i seen a few welding videos over the days this was the first that i seen that used ventilation for safety
Loved how happlily and enthusiastcally you presented this demonstration 🤣
Thanks for the video. New to welding and fixing rusted backhoe ramps on a freightliner. Very informative.
I used to Bring trash bins back to life, worst case scenario. 6011 ac did the job. And a good strong squirl cage fan. Easy money
I still do 6011 and a fan. Welcome to the real world. How about weld on a trash truck onsite.
This is a normal day at work nothing is clean in mills we deal with oil and grease and paint and god knows what a nice 5p root pass and finish with 7018
This is the typical type of material welders are expected to weld on out there in refineries, paper / pulp mills, ship yards, steel mills, mines, chemical plants, etc. All these industries have rust, oil, grease, paint, chemical deposits, etc. on most equipment and areas that need weld repairs. Wearing decent quality PPE is essential especially when it comes to the air we breathe. Great video that employs many good points for welders. Thank you for sharing your experience and techniques.
Aerodynamics never work for a welder
now do the opposite. weld on clean metal with contaminated rods and filler metal. I am thinking a low hydrogen rod with a drop of sweat on one, a drop of water on one and a drop of oil on one. Maybe do the same to a cellulose rod and see the difference. you could put dried sweat or oil on tig filler and see what it does. Great video by the way. I appreciate you describing how the puddle acts different with the contamination. Gives me some clues when my welds act stupid.
I grew up welding on this type of material! For years I thought 6011 was the only rod available!
Love this guys attitude
Dealt with this junk in manure pump rooms all the time in high school working on the farm
Tony Seefeldt I believe I would have run away from home.
Jesse Wright It wasn't a bad job actually. Great boss
Tony Seefeldt. Well, you got it done right.
This is pretty much always my experience while welding since everything I weld is rusty, and I'm too lazy to clean it.
Thanks for sharing this video. I am no welder, but living out in the sticks on the bottom end of Africa, we do not always have "Fab-Shop conditions". This video puts it all into perspective and gave me a lot to think about.
hey bob, thanks for the video and the tips on different rods and situations. tool partner and I had to weld on a thickly painted shipping container ceiling last year and we kept burning through, did the same thing switched to thinner rod, lowered current, but what really did the trick for us was using electrode negative at the suggestion of a user on a welding forum. had to fix a few holes too, once we had it dialed in padding it around and then filling in worked for us as well. That paint was super thick we ground down what we could but just didnt have time to get it all, the surrounding paint burnt off and filled the whole container with smoke. Overhead in the middle of summer too. We left the truck running outside with AC blasting and had to switch off every 15 minutes or so.
"Texas Tig" that's a new one on me
Welding clamp electrodes! New welding style!
This video really hits home with me, I work in a cinder block plant that is 70+ years old and everything is either caked in cement rust old paint and various other nasty things that make welding incredibly difficult at times, though I try my best to always clean the metal I'm working on I dont always get that luxury, working in a production facility time is very of the essence not always giving me the time I wish I had to properly prep the metal, after a decade of welding through cruddy metal I too recommend 6011 and I found that 6013 helps when welding very thin rusty metal the best.
Learned loads. Thanks for sharing ATB
"Texas TIG" lmaoo
Should've smeared some mud on it.
I don't remember the last time I saw clean metal in the logging woods
Theodore Dowman you’d clean the mud off wouldn’t you before you weld it...
This guy is a downright joy to watch.
this is more realistic for those out in the bush with next to nothing, thoroughly enjoy it. thanks and good stuff!
I gotta wonder, how do you get those awesome closeups of the arc and puddle? That's some amazing camera work.