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It’s like yeah let’s get rid of gliscor because it can use spikes and not the mon that has an amazing defensive and offensive typing better steel type draco meteor and the nuh-uh to all targeted status moves including defog ability that prevents you from removing hazards
@@owenblount7334 gholdengo is getting weaker with each dlc. I dont use ghold and I hate em, but things like knock off came back. People sleep on assurance. Assurance+rocks can do great damage before teal mask dlc
Gen 9 metagame is the weirdest metagame I've ever seen. I mean , Gliscor and Volcarona being in Ubers meanwhile Tyranitar and Garchomp being in RU and UUBL
Yes. OU becomes the defacto bottom tier, as every single pokemon is banned from OU for providing a buff to Kingambit when defeated, who threatens Gholdengo.
Yeah that and as he mentioned, Gliscor has always been an OU staple and has always been strong. Which I definitely agree with. Gliscor just has too much going on at all times, and Tera I think is really what pushed it over the edge. In addition to the shocking lack of Ice distribution this generation, so it can wreak havoc with really any of its sets including some more offensive variants, as it’s sole primary weakness for all intents and purposes is null this gen.
@@slyfox7452 "we don't wanna ban gholdengo and tera. We can't keep banning new stuff." Dumb smogon stuff. I get peeps didnt want tera banned, but if peeps run into a tera-grass-swords dance-grassy seed rillaboom, everything unresisted gets ohko. God forbid the rocks are up
I fear gliscor’s ban will not do much against the hazard problem in OU. Gholdengo will find another hazard setter friend, and while its not too bad without poison heal it will still be an issue
Hammurot and Glimmora are already seeing a boon in usage. I've run into Glimmora on at least 50% of teams I've faced since gliscor was banned. The problem was never gliscor, it's hazards. That's a taboo topic though.
Gliscor's main issue wasn't hazards anyways. It was the fact that the best gliscor answer was another gliscor, which is never a good sign. It led to balance teams turning into pp stalling wars, which is just horrible
@@clubpenguinondsyeah Like you can rapid spin when your enemie has a Gholdengo and you allow it to have a free Switch in 😂😂 Like Gholdengo isn't threat enough already
"No ice type moves anymore" Well yeah they keep banning the good ones! Justified or not, Baxcalibur, Calyrex-Ice, Regieleki (who Teras Ice), Iron Bundle, Chien-Pao, there's 1 Ice type left in OU! They practically set this up for themselves.
I think one of the worst side-effects of Gliscor being banned to Ubers is that I've seen a concerning uptick of Garganacl use in OU...Even worse, a Garganacl + Alomomola tag-team
@@Astralreaper7955yeah but it's not AS much of a threat anymore then. Like how in Gen 5-6 it was also nasty but handable. Yeah it can Terra now but still, there are better Terra abusers
@@TheRealAquazyes it is. Gliscor still has a grand total of 2 answers in OU, itself and Corvi. Banning Ghold only means Corvi's defog can't be blocked, but it still can barely harm Gliscor, now instead of punishing Corvi with Ghold, Magnezone or a Competitive/Defiant Mon will. The problem about Gliscor isn't that it makes hazard stacking worse (although it does), the problem is that it has no good answers and can always force progress. That's not to say that Ghold isn't broken, just that Gliscor is broken regardless. Out of all hazard setters, Gliscor is by far one of the least Ghold reliant.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 yeah but what made Glis so impactfull? Was it the Ban of legit every Ice mon? Only Legends know. And yeah I know that you can Tera Glis but still, thats fine as it takes away another Tera Target. Also thats the whole point of Tera. Glis got so oppressive by beeing handed a quasi get out of jail free card or in this case mire of an "Play the devil in a metagame where exorcism is illegal". And yeah I know Ice furret and Bax are power creeped af but still. I think this Gen would be healthier with more top Tier Pokemon and 5-8Turn Weather wars again than the way it is now. I mean look ad ADV metagame where after 10+ years the metagame is shifting again and again and new outs come to the light of day to counter the nuissances from Yesterday. I think the suspect votes / banns are to quick ( except in a few cases like Mr. Elemantal Hero Dolphin, oh wait this wasnt Yu-Gi-Oh 😅 ). Edit. - Well much rant about the Gliscor Bann I know. Im mostly just salty to not be allowed to use my Full offensive choice scarfed Gliscor in OU, because that thing was fucking fun to use
Gen 9 is gonna end up like Gen 5. A Broken metagame where mons won't be banned because "They are the identity" of the metagame. Honestly this ban just shows how good hazards have become. Which is the fault of Gholdengo's good as gold. Which is wrapping the entire OU meta but everyone loves new toys
@@gregorymirabella1423True, but Defog actually exists post-Ghold ban, so that can give us some leniency, at least. Also, Mandibuzz and Conkeldurr get Defog...Yeah, so pretty much Corviknight
Clearly this ban was a ploy by the cult of Lando-T to remove its competition and thus secure its place in the meta once more . . . I mean, why else would Gliscor, a fine Ground-Flying type filling a similar role to Lando, be so unfairly targeted? (Okay full disclosure I know there are other reasonable reasons, but this conspiracy angle is incredibly funny to me)
Seeing Gliscor getting the axe while Golden String Cheese Man lives makes me very happy I don't play Gen 9 competitive. In the few times I've played the only new format I care about, being National Dex OU, Gholdengo is a massive frustration so I can't imagine the agony of it staying in the restricted standard OU. It's like Yugioh's Skill Drain, Imperial Order, and Royal Decree. Completely shutting off 1/3rd of the entire game from affecting it is an astronomically infuriating concept for little to no cost. There's no reason I should not be able to Leech Seed, Hypnosis, or *GROWL* the String Cheese Man.
I've been saying this since day 1 - Ghold's ability in particular, combined with it's absurd typing, movepool, and stat spread make it an obvious problem. It's apt that you mentioned the floodgates of yugioh, because Ghold's ability, along with a few other such as Arena Trap and Shadow Tag, are all really shitty to deal with for the same core reason - they are inherently non-interactive. In yugioh, like 80% of decks need their spells, and an even higher amount need their monster effects, so floodgating those out entirely leaves the person with what essentially amounts to no recourse and leaves the floodgate user to quickly sweep up after the opponent is forced to pass. Mechanics in competitive battling, like being able to SWITCH, and being able to control the other teams hazards are as vital to being able to *play* the battle as the aforementioned cards are in yugioh.
Ghold inst hard to deal with once you learn it's switch in patterns Ghold will always switch in on a spinner and always switches out when a mon than tanks make it rain and can ko it comes in
I'm sure you meant WAS. Gholdengo got banned by the skin of a teeth in BH (41/68. 40/67 wouldn't be enough) at the beginning of this month and... Yeah, it was indeed the main problem alongside Baxcalibur and Bloodmoon, as well as why hazards were opressive. Can't believe I'm saying this but atm NatDex IS BETTER THAN OU.
That is the problem with Ice types. They either suck or are overpowered, and there is no in-between, and that line is very thin. A line that only the Gen 4 Ice Pokémon sit upon, and Arctozolt.
Chien pao with its broken ability ohko/2hko anything that wasn’t a steel type and baxcalibur not needing to commit to DD for speed anymore not exactly the best ti play around
At this point I can't help but to think of YGO - Konami and Halq, to be precise. While Halq got banned after years, until then it got several tuners banned which enabled Halq, while it was always obvious that Halq was the actual problem card. We're seeing this very thing play out in gen 9 here, just that Halq is Gholdengo.
I know why. I was so mad when I got crab hammered by a gliscor. Turns out he got it this generation, and it really threw me off. I already set up a rain dance so my Scizor could tank a fire fang. Then switched in my talon flame, then proceeded to crab hammer it. They gave this thing too much coverage.
How the hell was Gliscor banned but Gholdengo is still in OU??? Its ability makes it the single most meta defining mon. I mean it's Gholdengo's fault Gliscor is banned. If it wasn't for him I doubt Gliscor would even reach OU.
This is a garbage take lmao; Gliscor is literally *THE LEAST* Ghold-reliant hazard setter in the meta since it can just outlast or even 1v1 the large majority of hazard removers in the meta anyway, it's just that Ghold helps it regardless. Gliscor may simply be _the best_ at abusing Gholdengo support, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Gliscor itself isn't just way too good at its job in its own right. It puts the likes of Ting-Lu and even Gen 5/6 Deoxys-Defense to shame.
@@MuffoonMayhamI do like Hazards but I will admit Gliscor is a bit much and will be even after Gholdengo gets banned no good ice type Pokemon weavile mamoswine the meta is too hostile for them Chien-Pao is banned from OU even so Gliscor can Tera so I agree with you
According to Finchinator (OU Leader), Gholdengo will likely be the next suspect they do, and the reason they did Gliscor first was because it received more support for a ban than Gholdengo did on the most recent community survey. So before you complain, remember, you voted to suspect Gliscor first, and if you didn’t vote, then you should for future surveys, the OU council wants your opinions to help make decisions for the community and for the good of the tier.
Thank you, I'm tired of all the people bitching about tiering decisions yet didn't even try to get their recs. I get that some are busy and all that, but no way only 100 something people had the time to do it when there are thousands of people complaining. And no, I don't think all of the counsels decisions are correct, I just respect the suspect vote results enough (for the most part).
I'm sure the old Smogon CUO (Chief Utility Officer) Landorous-t pulled some strings with his influence to get this one over the line. For legal reasons this is a joke.
It brings into question whether qualified players are truly qualified, or if they’re really just voting on stuff that they find annoying rather than actual imbalance.
Wasn’t it by a vote tho? Like, players as a whole voted to ban Gliscor. Gliscor also had crazy good usage as well. If you don’t ban him, then matches often devolve into stalling Gliscor Mirror matches which is normally a pretty good sign that something is broken
@@jdrmanmusiqking kinda reminds me of something I heard of a League of Legends mod or dev making certain characters more powerful or making characters he lost to weaker out of his own preferences. He’s probably worse, but his thing seems somewhat similar to what’s going on here
@@HeavyHebi even without Gholdengo's presence, Gliscor still has a favourable matchup against Cinderace and Tusk (two of the most popular removers), while Corvi can be easily punished with either Magnezone or some Competitive/Defiant Pokemon due to how telegraphed it is. Other hazard removers I can think of like Mandibuzz and Galarian Weezing can still lose to Gliscor too, so even many existing options don't all match up well against Gliscor in a Ghold-less meta. This thing is banned for (many) a reason.
The number of bans feels so silly at this point, even if each case by case in a vaccum makes sense, when looking at everything as a whole, there really needs to be a better thought put into the format as a whole, maybe there needs to be a split of OU into two tiers becasue just constantly pointing fingers somewhere and going "this is the problem" over and over and over again isnt actually going to fix the meta.
Well lets be honest Smogon OU is a fake metagame, the Pomemon Company does not balance around 6v6 singles and never will. This is just what's naturally going to happen when game developers and their community are completley seperated.
@@i_like_chomp6382 I think as someone who thinks comp and vgc are both cool but mostly from the outside primarily as a fgc and tcg player, this is the biggest disconnect for me, I see complaints about dynamax is broken or tera is broken and think "thats the game's unique mechanic are you gonna try to spurn anything thats new rather than adjust to play around it while its here? People complained about v trigger in sfv but rarely even considered banning it and that game's lifespan was double the average pokemon gen" but if trying to basically force a game to fit a box it was never designed around, it does make more sense discussions like this would come up, even if I feel "how do we make this game a fun 6v6 singles format" should be a better question than "how do we make this game like some mythical concept of balance from the mid gen days"
Couldn't you use Alohan Ninetails with Freeze Dry? Ice Beam probably works too but FD prevents getting walled by Tera Water I'd say and you can setup A.Veil as an added bonus.
0:44 This sets a very positive precedent. Defensive pokémon should be banned more often; because how long have Toxapex, Corviknight, Mega Sableye, Lando T, and Stealth Rocks escaped bans while completely over centralizing the meta.
At the moment by a quick count on smogon, there are 31 pokemon in ou and 19 pokemon on the ou ban list. If you see that as 'those are the pokemon that WOULD be in OU and aren't,' then 2/5ths of the entire OU metagame is banned out of it. At that point, that scope of OU being crushed is a sign that instead, those 19 pokemon should be the basis of OU and the format everyone WANTS to play is actually UU. Like, if the tiering system is meant to keep things that are roughly of equal power near one another, it looks like the OU pokemon can only exist when you ignore 19 better pokemon.
No bans ou is just even more hyper offense hell. Ig trying to not play ho is a sin in this gen. (and Gen 5 has sand a an decent non stall more defensive style, no bans Gen 9 gets what exactly???)
@@Dragostorm21 if the OU metagame, naturally, gravitates towards hyper offense hell, then it should form that and people should start playing the lower tiers that give the experience they like better, right? Isn't that the argument for why the tiers exist? Like, don't try and make Charizard good in RBY OU, find the metagame where Charizard is good.
Honestly disagree with the notion that Gholdengo forces you to run hazard removers that beat it. Otherwise we’d see a lot more Talonflame and Iron Treads, former having KOing most Gholdengo even without investment, latter resisting Make It Rain while having superior special bulk compared to Great Tusk. And then Mold Breaker Hawlucha stopped being used as well.
If you have pokemon banned in the triple digits from OU, but not powerful enough for Ubers, maybe it's time to make another tier between OU and Ubers for them.
I disagree. Even with the lower power level of lower tiers, whilst tera is more manageable, it is still problematic. There's just something inherently broken to flipping your match ups at the click of a button and providing not only free turns for set up, but ways for the sweeper mon to overcome its checks and counters. Tera is just not a healthy mechanic for any metagame, and I find myself annoyed at having to deal with the constant anxiety that any threat to my team could at any moment find ways to circumvent my attempts to deal with it. Teams are supposed to have bad match ups, and I feel like tera makes bad match ups harder more often than It provides you with ways to deal with them. Tera preview could circumvent that issue a bit, but it would still lead to constant 50/50s which does not sound like a pleasant environment to play in.
Hmm, I wonder (Gholdengo) if there is maybe some kind (Gholdengo) of problem pokemon that is enabling overpowered hazard strategies (Gholdengo) with no recourse (Gholdengo) that has just been sneaking by (Gholdengo) since the release of the game without even a single suspect (Gholdengo). Surely it's all the other pokemon that are the problem
it is pitifully obvious that Gliscor was banned for no other reason than that Iron Mugulis cloned himself 100x and voted all 100x to ban Gliscor. The mug must be emptied and put in the dishwasher. I know it is not his fault his best Ice move is cold water, but that is a fault of GameFreak and not us, bring him to JUSTICE!
I think they're doing too many bans this gen. Something is either off with the pokemon/Terra or the mindset of the higher level players, and I've watched the arc of thought over time and I think maybe Smogon might have gone a bit too far because the game design shifted just enough under the hood and what worked before doesn't work now. My advice is to unban everything that isn't a mythical or box legendary that's currently in Ubers and don't touch it for a block of two or three months. Then when bans are discussed don't ban more than two pokemon at a time, or at least a small set number so the meta players can adjust and have time to look for starts. It's too chaotic right now.
Big problem is that Gholdengo blocks all hazard removal and even Court Change, so something that would help is another damage move that clears hazards but one that's Psychic or something. That way, it's impossible for one Pokemon to block all of them at the same time
Like its just so stupid. I loved Gliscor as a defensive backbones in my team cause he was just unique (high sustain and great typing, but having to maneuver around ice type coverage) and now hes banned when the root issue that makes him OP is gholdengo? HORRIBLE move from showdown.
It's not Gamefreak fault that people still want to play 6vs6 singles with a shit ton of no sense rules when the game is clearly designed around VGC rules
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070Not like vgc is healthier really. Flutter mane has been over 60% usage in what, 5 formats now? Doubles just gives slightly more room to play around the brokens, it doesn't make them not broken.
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 who said there aren't problems? Those broken mons are just harder to play around than most, but a Pokemon doesn't need to be "invincible" to be broken. You can probably beat the likes of Calyrex-Shadow and Mega Rayquaza in Doubles better compared to Singles, but that doesn't make them any less bonkers to fight.
@@Wonderlvnd Agreed. Also the lower tiers need to be cleaned up there's no point in ranking viability by usage if there's hardly anyone playing the tier in the first place. Probably would do fine just going back to four tiers AG, OU, UU, RU.
I cant believe that gholdengo and tusk are not banned but gliscor is. Ghold is so broken imo, decent alround stats, great offensive and defensive typing, great stab moves in shadowball and make it rain, reliable recovery, pretty good coverage moves even without tera(gleam, thunderbolt,focus blast, psycic), status imunity, setup moves, versitility with its scarf trick set, baloon set or covertcloak set being either defensive or settup sweeper. And it is probably one of the big reasonns why the meta is hazard stacking with HO, imunity to both rapidspin AND defog in a metagame where those moves are somewhat limited compared to before while they have increased the distribution of spikes. If gholdengo was banned i think gliscor would not even be top 10 used in OU let alone be banned. In my eyes ghold is more meta defining then gliscor.
I like gliscore more than the next guy but he probably would have gotten banned without ghold. Also tusk isnt broken, its the best rapid spinner in the game which is why it sees so much play not because it does something unfair
So what is the philosophy here? Surely all of these bans can't be "overcentralizing", there are more spot bans in Gen 9 than entire OU tiers in other generations.
Domino effect is a thing. When you remove the current broken Mon, the next most broken can flourish and be banned next, leaving the next most broken Mon to flourish and repeat the cycle.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 Also, banning so many Pokemon can outright remove another Pokemon's counters. We banned all the good ice types so Gliscor barely had any answers.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 I usually see this argument used by dumb people who can't comprehend the idea of bans as a concept, but in this case I think you're right.
Cool, it is almost as if the community is finnaly realizing that the phrases like "the x pokemon is not problematic because it can't swipe your entire team" and "but there is counter-play" aren't very good arguments to not ban a pokemon. Maybe some day they will ban gen 4 jirachi and gen 8 toxapex.
Main reason I stopped playing Gen 9 and started playing Gen 3. Whats the point of building teams only for main cores to get banned. I am actively being punished for not Running Gholdengo or Great Tusks because they have decided that they are the centralising Pokémon, meanwhile other viable pokemon like Gliscor/Sneasler are constantly threatened to be banned.
I think is was a big mistake not retesting Tera. If Tera is banned the meta goes an alternative Route which is more healthy maybe than ban one and antoher mon
Unfortunately this has the side effect of hurting lower tiers a lot where Tera is significantly more balanced. Maybe this means that it’s a mons problem 🤔
@@TheCounterTeamer You...don't have to ban Tera in every format, you know. And I'm pretty sure the patently absurd number of bans go to show that it's NOT a mons problem. Seemingly no matter how many mons you ban, it doesn't fix anything.
Tera is 100% the problem lol it's been like this since the beginning, I think they are just not doing anything on purpose to see how ridicolous the situation can get, they can't be d this dull unironically
you cant convince me the ou council doesnt ban anything that “top tourney level players” unanimously agree is hard to deal with. This is why I quit trying to get better back in gen 6. They ignore anyone thats not within their circle then pretend they’re better than everyone else. Worse part is the forum sycophants that parrot their opinions. I remember arguing in the forums back in gen 6 that tangrowth was actually a really good mon in the ou meta and got laughed down by forum members because I wasn’t some elite player. Then some guy with a bunch of badges under his name starts talking about Tangrowth and how great it is and everyone is just clapping for the dude. I think the normalization of banning things makes players lazy and just prefer to wait for a ban instead of really experimenting. I know tera is the big reason why Gliscor was probably banned but this gen has a LOT of boost sweepers and strong, spammable neutral hits that can definitely apply pressure to gliscor. At this point I think they should do a full redo just for fun, and bring back all the unbanned mons. I don’t think gliscor would be as threatening with Chien Pao or Palafin or Volcarona still around.
I think the plan is to just unban 90% of the bans for the DLC, to give everything a fair shot once GameFreak adds everything back into the game. Some stuff like Chi-Yu will obviously stay banned but with 100 new Pokemon added and several new legends/paradox mons, may as well let it become a sandbox and reban everything one by one.
When the indigo disk drops they should unban everything. If current OU staples fall so be it, there have been too many bans this gen when I think there are clear answers to many of our problems, they've just been sent to ubers
I think the “he’ll be back in a month anyway” comment relates to Gholdenego. Its a very popular opinion that he enables Gliscor to spike stack, even if Gliscor doesn’t have any really bad matchups. “Gliscor died for Gholdengo’s sins” is a very popular sentiment. When the cheese man is banned, Gliscor could be freed.
I think when the correct play in a Glis V Glis is to stay in so your other pokemon dont get toxiced or Uturned and PP stall the other Glis - yeah the mon needs to be banned. Suspect Gholdengo now?
I swear this Iron Mugulis looks so sick it might be the first youtuber merch I actually buy (well if it becomes available in EU), despite not even owning the gen 9 games and never having played gen 9 OU lol
People were just scared of the greatness of Weezing-Galar to keep Gholdengo and Gliscor in check and didn't see the real hero of OU, Weezing sweep 💪💪💪💪💪
I think it's just difficult to balance a fair and fun metagame when power creep has gotten this crazy. They're doing their best, and I can respect that.
Tera isn't directly the cause, but I think it's important to say that ice type coverage has gone down in value becuase the vast majority of major Pokémon with ice type weaknesses (and not uncommonly 4x weakness) use Tera to remove it. Tera is the problem imo. It's just hard to have an answer to some of these when you can pivot to a whole new set if weaknesses and keeping a stabs or even gaining a new one
It honestly feels like OU always has their golden child that the never want to get banned so they ban everything around it, in this case it was Gholdengo, Gliscor being banned feels like people misplacing blame that should be for Gholdengo
Imagine a world where people have been complaining about Landorus-T for pretty much it's entire existence in the tier and the chumps that run the place going "that reminds us, Gliscor is taking away from Lando's never ending limelight". Reminds me of the time back when swagger was considered too unreliable to be a threat, but the moment I manage to climb past 2100 with it in OU and Ubers and start consistently beating the guys who get the votes it magically goes onto the chopping block.
Gen 9 OU is such a bizarre tier. It's fun sometimes, but the fun goes away because smogon LOVES to ban any popular Pokemon asap instead of adapting to it.
They say that this one is the biggest problem And yet two steel types that are much more problematic are still running rampant, and one is the "reason" why Gliscor was banned #JusticeForGliscor
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Enter: worry seed infiltrator jumpluff with strength sap like in bdsp eats gliscor. Lezduit
Tera was always an issue, it removes checks for powerful pokemon. In slower pace games it's not too bad.
For now Europe is save from IRL Iron Mugulis, the question is for how long?
It’s like yeah let’s get rid of gliscor because it can use spikes and not the mon that has an amazing defensive and offensive typing better steel type draco meteor and the nuh-uh to all targeted status moves including defog ability that prevents you from removing hazards
@@owenblount7334 gholdengo is getting weaker with each dlc. I dont use ghold and I hate em, but things like knock off came back. People sleep on assurance. Assurance+rocks can do great damage before teal mask dlc
It's official - we're living in a world where Gliscor is Ubers, Tyranitar is RU and Alomomola is OU.
Dont forget moltres
This is very concerning.
This is insane folks
and Garchomp in UU
@@ZaraDaccuaUUBL*
My theory of the OU council just being 8 Heatrans is proven. They no longer want 8 focken Ground-types
but for real gen 9OU had way too many viable ground types
@@egekahraman8985the issue too is no HP Ice, and ice coverage is eaten by gholdengo at times.
@@Dabrownman1812 terra ice or the good old reliable dusknoir ice punch
8 Heathens and a Gholdengo.
@@azeria1 yup, I run Ice as much as possible. Tera Ice jolteon is solid too. 130 speed pivot. Gas weezing is okay but then he's not eq immune
Darkrai: welcome to Ubers. We welcome you with open arms.
Gliscor: Thanks. This doesn't seem so bad. How often do you see usage?
Darkrai: ...
don't worry, uubers exists
@@sqwong3947 will it replace magearnus-t as the team glue? Find out next update
I say we drop Darkrai to OU fr
@@Slimeonianafter the dlc2 craziness settles down
@@sqwong3947it's banned from UUBERS as well
With all this banning going on, I had a suspicion that it was the work of Iron Mugulis. But now the fact they got Gliscor now removes all doubt.
Gliscor is such a menace I love him.
but what if it's a ploy by iron mugulis to throw us off his trail?
@@Derppudding404 thats the thing, pudding. it was NEVER mugulis, Old Money paid a hit on gliscor because the spikes threatened his turf
Gen 9 metagame is the weirdest metagame I've ever seen. I mean , Gliscor and Volcarona being in Ubers meanwhile Tyranitar and Garchomp being in RU and UUBL
And also ribombee and alomomola on OU
@@jajasking9652mola is genuine ou material tho even in older gens it always had a niche
Funny, tytar si not Even a top Pokémon in Ru, rn he could stay in Ru easy
@@TheRRhoynartbf, Ttar could fit about any tier (maybe not pu). It's not inherently broken but a good versatile mon that you can build around
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A year from now the only OU pokemon left will be Gholdengo, Tusk and Gambit; the day one Gen 9 pokemon.
And Iron Mugulis
Yes.
OU becomes the defacto bottom tier, as every single pokemon is banned from OU for providing a buff to Kingambit when defeated, who threatens Gholdengo.
Gholdengo is like the disney twist villain where they are the secret mastermind behind everything leading up to these decisions
And like each Disney twist villan they are super obvious to see coming but no one does anything about them
Gholdengo is like the mf from the end of pikmin 3
This just goes to show that Iron Mugulis has infiltrated Smogon. Every day, we move closer to its dystopian vision of the tiering system.
Gholdengo and Gambit dodging the ban as is standard at this point lol
Gambit kinda needs it.
Focus sash-tidy up furret saved me vs a gholdengo in wifi battle.
One is a king, and the other is made of money. The rich and powerful once again escaping all consequences.
@@metascrub285Kinda? It turns the game into coin flip simulator to see who's Gambit gets the game winning sucker punch first.
The way they avoid the ban hammer is majestic to watch. Like ballerinas on the stage
They actually banned Gliscor. This is insane.
Tera is part of it, the lack of ice coverage also is a thing as hidden power helped keep it in check. Terra Ice-Jolteon it goes.
Yeah that and as he mentioned, Gliscor has always been an OU staple and has always been strong. Which I definitely agree with. Gliscor just has too much going on at all times, and Tera I think is really what pushed it over the edge. In addition to the shocking lack of Ice distribution this generation, so it can wreak havoc with really any of its sets including some more offensive variants, as it’s sole primary weakness for all intents and purposes is null this gen.
Smogon is a bunch of cry babies.
Its insane considering that goldengo was the one enabling it
@@slyfox7452 "we don't wanna ban gholdengo and tera. We can't keep banning new stuff." Dumb smogon stuff. I get peeps didnt want tera banned, but if peeps run into a tera-grass-swords dance-grassy seed rillaboom, everything unresisted gets ohko. God forbid the rocks are up
I fear gliscor’s ban will not do much against the hazard problem in OU. Gholdengo will find another hazard setter friend, and while its not too bad without poison heal it will still be an issue
Most likely Hisuian Samurott
Hammurot and Glimmora are already seeing a boon in usage. I've run into Glimmora on at least 50% of teams I've faced since gliscor was banned. The problem was never gliscor, it's hazards. That's a taboo topic though.
Gliscor's main issue wasn't hazards anyways. It was the fact that the best gliscor answer was another gliscor, which is never a good sign. It led to balance teams turning into pp stalling wars, which is just horrible
@@anusthing The problem isn't hazards, the problem is Gholdengo.
The main factor is that most others lack passive recovery, toxic, and hazards
Gliscor died for Goldengho's sins. Ribombee and Samurott-H are gonna get banned before Goldengho.
Gho is hiring bodyguards
No, in my opinion both moms are manageable, just get a rapid spinner like great tusk
@@clubpenguinonds Have fun using rapid spin when I do a haha funny and send out Gholdengo, who also makes it impossible to defog.
@@clubpenguinondsyeah Like you can rapid spin when your enemie has a Gholdengo and you allow it to have a free Switch in 😂😂 Like Gholdengo isn't threat enough already
@@clubpenguinonds Ribombee beats tusk in 1v1. JUST BAN GHOLDENGO
"No ice type moves anymore"
Well yeah they keep banning the good ones! Justified or not, Baxcalibur, Calyrex-Ice, Regieleki (who Teras Ice), Iron Bundle, Chien-Pao, there's 1 Ice type left in OU! They practically set this up for themselves.
The ice types are on a revolving conveyor belt anyways, they always get replaced by that one ice type in the back
Ice types are either lowtier dogshit or broken ass ubers lmao
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8Meaning, eventually Articuno will rise again...
in your dreams pal@@a-s-greig
@@a-s-greigNot quite lol
I think one of the worst side-effects of Gliscor being banned to Ubers is that I've seen a concerning uptick of Garganacl use in OU...Even worse, a Garganacl + Alomomola tag-team
People will look back in future metagames and wonder why gholdengo wasnt banned sooner
Even if Gholdengo got banned Gliscor may still be banned since it can still be irritating to deal with even without Gholdengo
Fuck you mean look back we were saying that before
@@Astralreaper7955yeah but it's not AS much of a threat anymore then. Like how in Gen 5-6 it was also nasty but handable. Yeah it can Terra now but still, there are better Terra abusers
@@TheRealAquazyes it is. Gliscor still has a grand total of 2 answers in OU, itself and Corvi. Banning Ghold only means Corvi's defog can't be blocked, but it still can barely harm Gliscor, now instead of punishing Corvi with Ghold, Magnezone or a Competitive/Defiant Mon will.
The problem about Gliscor isn't that it makes hazard stacking worse (although it does), the problem is that it has no good answers and can always force progress.
That's not to say that Ghold isn't broken, just that Gliscor is broken regardless. Out of all hazard setters, Gliscor is by far one of the least Ghold reliant.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 yeah but what made Glis so impactfull? Was it the Ban of legit every Ice mon? Only Legends know. And yeah I know that you can Tera Glis but still, thats fine as it takes away another Tera Target. Also thats the whole point of Tera. Glis got so oppressive by beeing handed a quasi get out of jail free card or in this case mire of an "Play the devil in a metagame where exorcism is illegal". And yeah I know Ice furret and Bax are power creeped af but still. I think this Gen would be healthier with more top Tier Pokemon and 5-8Turn Weather wars again than the way it is now. I mean look ad ADV metagame where after 10+ years the metagame is shifting again and again and new outs come to the light of day to counter the nuissances from Yesterday. I think the suspect votes / banns are to quick ( except in a few cases like Mr. Elemantal Hero Dolphin, oh wait this wasnt Yu-Gi-Oh 😅 ).
Edit. - Well much rant about the Gliscor Bann I know. Im mostly just salty to not be allowed to use my Full offensive choice scarfed Gliscor in OU, because that thing was fucking fun to use
This is actually part of Iron Mugulis' plan to ban and remove every ground-type on the tier, so that its 4x weakness becomes no longer a problem
Rest in peace a real one, gliscor made it
I pray for his success in Ubers ( btw he is B+ so that's decent )
@@Astralreaper7955he gone get bullied, free my ninja gliscor
I think what I like about this content is that there's so much substance, and it's not obnoxiously overproduced - keep up the great content mate
Gen 9 is gonna end up like Gen 5.
A Broken metagame where mons won't be banned because "They are the identity" of the metagame.
Honestly this ban just shows how good hazards have become. Which is the fault of Gholdengo's good as gold. Which is wrapping the entire OU meta but everyone loves new toys
Gholdengo doesn't effect hazards as much as you think. If it was done all we would get is Corviknight's defog.
@@gregorymirabella1423and rapid spin and mortal spin too
@@gregorymirabella1423True, but Defog actually exists post-Ghold ban, so that can give us some leniency, at least.
Also, Mandibuzz and Conkeldurr get Defog...Yeah, so pretty much Corviknight
More like a specific mechanic exclusive to the generation, regardless of how broken and centralizing it is.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Gholdenngo also blocks rapid spin.
I really want Gliscor in OU, just to see Lando-T fall to UU.
Or atleast wait till lando t drops to UU then you can do something to Gliscor
Clearly this ban was a ploy by the cult of Lando-T to remove its competition and thus secure its place in the meta once more . . . I mean, why else would Gliscor, a fine Ground-Flying type filling a similar role to Lando, be so unfairly targeted?
(Okay full disclosure I know there are other reasonable reasons, but this conspiracy angle is incredibly funny to me)
I want the opposite I’m happy to see gliscor get banned because I want Lando to stay
It would fall to UU then quick banned in less than a minute.
@@aegisScaleAll kneel b4 king Lando! I said kneel! 👹
Seeing Gliscor getting the axe while Golden String Cheese Man lives makes me very happy I don't play Gen 9 competitive.
In the few times I've played the only new format I care about, being National Dex OU, Gholdengo is a massive frustration so I can't imagine the agony of it staying in the restricted standard OU.
It's like Yugioh's Skill Drain, Imperial Order, and Royal Decree. Completely shutting off 1/3rd of the entire game from affecting it is an astronomically infuriating concept for little to no cost.
There's no reason I should not be able to Leech Seed, Hypnosis, or *GROWL* the String Cheese Man.
I've been saying this since day 1 - Ghold's ability in particular, combined with it's absurd typing, movepool, and stat spread make it an obvious problem. It's apt that you mentioned the floodgates of yugioh, because Ghold's ability, along with a few other such as Arena Trap and Shadow Tag, are all really shitty to deal with for the same core reason - they are inherently non-interactive. In yugioh, like 80% of decks need their spells, and an even higher amount need their monster effects, so floodgating those out entirely leaves the person with what essentially amounts to no recourse and leaves the floodgate user to quickly sweep up after the opponent is forced to pass. Mechanics in competitive battling, like being able to SWITCH, and being able to control the other teams hazards are as vital to being able to *play* the battle as the aforementioned cards are in yugioh.
It’s honestly ridiculous and probably the reason why everyone is switching to play gen 3 😂😂😂😂😂
Ghold inst hard to deal with once you learn it's switch in patterns
Ghold will always switch in on a spinner and always switches out when a mon than tanks make it rain and can ko it comes in
I'm sure you meant WAS. Gholdengo got banned by the skin of a teeth in BH (41/68. 40/67 wouldn't be enough) at the beginning of this month and... Yeah, it was indeed the main problem alongside Baxcalibur and Bloodmoon, as well as why hazards were opressive. Can't believe I'm saying this but atm NatDex IS BETTER THAN OU.
i think the fact the council banned every good ice type is why gliscor was too much lol
To be fair Bax and Chien Pao were definitely overpowered
That is the problem with Ice types. They either suck or are overpowered, and there is no in-between, and that line is very thin. A line that only the Gen 4 Ice Pokémon sit upon, and Arctozolt.
@@iantaakalla8180 and arctozolt??? 😭😭😭
Chien pao with its broken ability ohko/2hko anything that wasn’t a steel type and baxcalibur not needing to commit to DD for speed anymore not exactly the best ti play around
weavile didn't have a lot of time to come up
At this point I can't help but to think of YGO - Konami and Halq, to be precise. While Halq got banned after years, until then it got several tuners banned which enabled Halq, while it was always obvious that Halq was the actual problem card. We're seeing this very thing play out in gen 9 here, just that Halq is Gholdengo.
My thoughts exactly
I know why.
I was so mad when I got crab hammered by a gliscor. Turns out he got it this generation, and it really threw me off. I already set up a rain dance so my Scizor could tank a fire fang. Then switched in my talon flame, then proceeded to crab hammer it. They gave this thing too much coverage.
This was a really nicely done video; I appreciate your elaboration and context
How the hell was Gliscor banned but Gholdengo is still in OU??? Its ability makes it the single most meta defining mon. I mean it's Gholdengo's fault Gliscor is banned. If it wasn't for him I doubt Gliscor would even reach OU.
This is a garbage take lmao; Gliscor is literally *THE LEAST* Ghold-reliant hazard setter in the meta since it can just outlast or even 1v1 the large majority of hazard removers in the meta anyway, it's just that Ghold helps it regardless. Gliscor may simply be _the best_ at abusing Gholdengo support, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Gliscor itself isn't just way too good at its job in its own right. It puts the likes of Ting-Lu and even Gen 5/6 Deoxys-Defense to shame.
Gliscor doesn't need gholdengo
You Smogon players really like your hazards, huh 💀
@@MuffoonMayham if we did, Gliscor wouldn't have been banned so.....
@@MuffoonMayhamI do like Hazards but I will admit Gliscor is a bit much and will be even after Gholdengo gets banned no good ice type Pokemon weavile mamoswine the meta is too hostile for them Chien-Pao is banned from OU even so Gliscor can Tera so I agree with you
Of course this has happened after Iron Mugulis’s move to the real world. Iron Fellow might have made some moves in the Future Mug’s absence.
According to Finchinator (OU Leader), Gholdengo will likely be the next suspect they do, and the reason they did Gliscor first was because it received more support for a ban than Gholdengo did on the most recent community survey.
So before you complain, remember, you voted to suspect Gliscor first, and if you didn’t vote, then you should for future surveys, the OU council wants your opinions to help make decisions for the community and for the good of the tier.
But I voted for Gholdengo and am fine with Gliscor 😭😭
So after Gholdengo Kingambit aka I’m not gonna sugercoat it might be next?
The practical issue with all democratic process: voter turnout.
Thank you, I'm tired of all the people bitching about tiering decisions yet didn't even try to get their recs. I get that some are busy and all that, but no way only 100 something people had the time to do it when there are thousands of people complaining. And no, I don't think all of the counsels decisions are correct, I just respect the suspect vote results enough (for the most part).
I don't play OU I just like to complain
I'm sure the old Smogon CUO (Chief Utility Officer) Landorous-t pulled some strings with his influence to get this one over the line.
For legal reasons this is a joke.
It brings into question whether qualified players are truly qualified, or if they’re really just voting on stuff that they find annoying rather than actual imbalance.
This describes the Smogon community to a tee. They are only banning stuff they find annoying and are too trash/lazy to find solutions
Wasn’t it by a vote tho? Like, players as a whole voted to ban Gliscor. Gliscor also had crazy good usage as well.
If you don’t ban him, then matches often devolve into stalling Gliscor Mirror matches which is normally a pretty good sign that something is broken
@@FraserSouris before it was banned I actually used gliscor for offense, preventing this kind of stuff from happening
@@jdrmanmusiqking kinda reminds me of something I heard of a League of Legends mod or dev making certain characters more powerful or making characters he lost to weaker out of his own preferences. He’s probably worse, but his thing seems somewhat similar to what’s going on here
Welp, it's official. I'm not playing gen 9 ever again. The meta shifts are way too drastic.
can't fucking believe they would do this to me
"One of the first Box legendarys to be OU" lol, uhhh anyone remember Kyrem? Kyrem Black in particular lol
This ban can just be summed up as: "no HP ice, flying ground type too hard to deal with"
Nah, Lando-T isn't doing that great RN. The lack of reliable hazzard removal is the main reason why Gliscor was so strong.
@@vanjagalovic3621 The reason there's no reliable hazard removal is due to one Gholden pokemon, that I can't for the life of me, remember it's name.
@@HeavyHebi even without Gholdengo's presence, Gliscor still has a favourable matchup against Cinderace and Tusk (two of the most popular removers), while Corvi can be easily punished with either Magnezone or some Competitive/Defiant Pokemon due to how telegraphed it is. Other hazard removers I can think of like Mandibuzz and Galarian Weezing can still lose to Gliscor too, so even many existing options don't all match up well against Gliscor in a Ghold-less meta.
This thing is banned for (many) a reason.
@vanjagalovic3621 there is a decent amount of reliable Hazzard removal, just doesn't fucking matter when coin man kills any form of Hazzard temoval
@@akshayreddy4071 Gliscor itself kills most forms of hazard removal, and those it cannot kill are pretty easily taken advantage of
I personally would love a deepdive into a not-so-played tier like gen 9 zu, which is on the formats list.
How INSANE was this ban ACTUALLY?
Smogon loves to overstep its boundaries as arbiters of the game. This is honestly just another case of that.
The number of bans feels so silly at this point, even if each case by case in a vaccum makes sense, when looking at everything as a whole, there really needs to be a better thought put into the format as a whole, maybe there needs to be a split of OU into two tiers becasue just constantly pointing fingers somewhere and going "this is the problem" over and over and over again isnt actually going to fix the meta.
Well lets be honest Smogon OU is a fake metagame, the Pomemon Company does not balance around 6v6 singles and never will. This is just what's naturally going to happen when game developers and their community are completley seperated.
@@i_like_chomp6382 I think as someone who thinks comp and vgc are both cool but mostly from the outside primarily as a fgc and tcg player, this is the biggest disconnect for me, I see complaints about dynamax is broken or tera is broken and think "thats the game's unique mechanic are you gonna try to spurn anything thats new rather than adjust to play around it while its here? People complained about v trigger in sfv but rarely even considered banning it and that game's lifespan was double the average pokemon gen" but if trying to basically force a game to fit a box it was never designed around, it does make more sense discussions like this would come up, even if I feel "how do we make this game a fun 6v6 singles format" should be a better question than "how do we make this game like some mythical concept of balance from the mid gen days"
Because everything that could check it is already banned. This is just the endgame of smogon banning every half-decent offensive mon
Hmm I wonder who keeps banning ground types wouldn’t be a certain fire steel type also introduced in gen 4
It's Iron Mugulis and Old Money
Or that money man
Oh no! What am I going to do without a powerful Ground-Flying type with a bunch of utility moves and versatile sets!?
Couldn't you use Alohan Ninetails with Freeze Dry? Ice Beam probably works too but FD prevents getting walled by Tera Water I'd say and you can setup A.Veil as an added bonus.
Have fun against my offensive choice scarf poison Jab Gliscor :D oh wait it got banned 😭😭
0:44 This sets a very positive precedent. Defensive pokémon should be banned more often; because how long have Toxapex, Corviknight, Mega Sableye, Lando T, and Stealth Rocks escaped bans while completely over centralizing the meta.
At the moment by a quick count on smogon, there are 31 pokemon in ou and 19 pokemon on the ou ban list. If you see that as 'those are the pokemon that WOULD be in OU and aren't,' then 2/5ths of the entire OU metagame is banned out of it. At that point, that scope of OU being crushed is a sign that instead, those 19 pokemon should be the basis of OU and the format everyone WANTS to play is actually UU. Like, if the tiering system is meant to keep things that are roughly of equal power near one another, it looks like the OU pokemon can only exist when you ignore 19 better pokemon.
Yeah, I definitely think too much has been banned this gen. UUbers existing means there's room for a whole tier between OU and Ubers.
No bans ou is just even more hyper offense hell. Ig trying to not play ho is a sin in this gen.
(and Gen 5 has sand a an decent non stall more defensive style, no bans Gen 9 gets what exactly???)
Exactly. They should've been unbanning the weaker Uber pokemon instead of swinging the banhammer so ruthlessly.
@@DSaC_ how does that help with the current issues?
@@Dragostorm21 if the OU metagame, naturally, gravitates towards hyper offense hell, then it should form that and people should start playing the lower tiers that give the experience they like better, right? Isn't that the argument for why the tiers exist? Like, don't try and make Charizard good in RBY OU, find the metagame where Charizard is good.
Honestly disagree with the notion that Gholdengo forces you to run hazard removers that beat it. Otherwise we’d see a lot more Talonflame and Iron Treads, former having KOing most Gholdengo even without investment, latter resisting Make It Rain while having superior special bulk compared to Great Tusk. And then Mold Breaker Hawlucha stopped being used as well.
I’m calling it now folks, when the DLC drops Walrein will have his time in the OU sun. It will be insane.
Seconding before it’s too late
Gholdengo has been granted Hide and Seek World Champion status for his ability to avoid the ban list
I wonder if a pseudo legendary Ice type could have somewhat kept it in check, too bad we will never know
it did and it thrashed the whole meta (twice)
If you have pokemon banned in the triple digits from OU, but not powerful enough for Ubers, maybe it's time to make another tier between OU and Ubers for them.
Always wanted LandoT banned but gliscor getting bannned first is just mind-blowing
I disagree. Even with the lower power level of lower tiers, whilst tera is more manageable, it is still problematic. There's just something inherently broken to flipping your match ups at the click of a button and providing not only free turns for set up, but ways for the sweeper mon to overcome its checks and counters.
Tera is just not a healthy mechanic for any metagame, and I find myself annoyed at having to deal with the constant anxiety that any threat to my team could at any moment find ways to circumvent my attempts to deal with it.
Teams are supposed to have bad match ups, and I feel like tera makes bad match ups harder more often than It provides you with ways to deal with them.
Tera preview could circumvent that issue a bit, but it would still lead to constant 50/50s which does not sound like a pleasant environment to play in.
Love the mix of gliscor and glaiscor pronunciation, keeps me on the edge of my seat
NOOOOO MY SON, RIGHT BEFORE I GOT TO USE HIM AS WELL
If there is a slimmer of hope for Gliscor it's actually good in Ubers
Move pool changes and utility creep made Gliscor straight up better than every other ground type.
Terra needs a suspect test after the dlcs are done, and then the gen 9 OUBL reset to try out the tier again.
In the entire video you never even mentioned why gliscor got banned just that it was crazy that he did
Hmm, I wonder (Gholdengo) if there is maybe some kind (Gholdengo) of problem pokemon that is enabling overpowered hazard strategies (Gholdengo) with no recourse (Gholdengo) that has just been sneaking by (Gholdengo) since the release of the game without even a single suspect (Gholdengo). Surely it's all the other pokemon that are the problem
Gliscor is banned from OU folks.
I cannot believe this is real.
Gliscor seems like a regular old Pokemon
it's been OU for generations
Over a decade
And now it’s banned from competitive singles!
it is pitifully obvious that Gliscor was banned for no other reason than that Iron Mugulis cloned himself 100x and voted all 100x to ban Gliscor. The mug must be emptied and put in the dishwasher. I know it is not his fault his best Ice move is cold water, but that is a fault of GameFreak and not us, bring him to JUSTICE!
I think they're doing too many bans this gen. Something is either off with the pokemon/Terra or the mindset of the higher level players, and I've watched the arc of thought over time and I think maybe Smogon might have gone a bit too far because the game design shifted just enough under the hood and what worked before doesn't work now. My advice is to unban everything that isn't a mythical or box legendary that's currently in Ubers and don't touch it for a block of two or three months. Then when bans are discussed don't ban more than two pokemon at a time, or at least a small set number so the meta players can adjust and have time to look for starts. It's too chaotic right now.
Big problem is that Gholdengo blocks all hazard removal and even Court Change, so something that would help is another damage move that clears hazards but one that's Psychic or something. That way, it's impossible for one Pokemon to block all of them at the same time
The question now is how will Gliscor do in UUbers ?
Gliscor is banned from Uubers since it’s usage in regular ubers is higher than 4.52%, not to mention gliscor is actually good in ubers
@@enderdestroyer-mr7nhwait really? Good for it
Like its just so stupid. I loved Gliscor as a defensive backbones in my team cause he was just unique (high sustain and great typing, but having to maneuver around ice type coverage) and now hes banned when the root issue that makes him OP is gholdengo? HORRIBLE move from showdown.
This gen is all over the place, too many non-legendary new mons are ending up in Ubers, shoutouts to Gamefreak.
It's not Gamefreak fault that people still want to play 6vs6 singles with a shit ton of no sense rules when the game is clearly designed around VGC rules
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070Not like vgc is healthier really. Flutter mane has been over 60% usage in what, 5 formats now? Doubles just gives slightly more room to play around the brokens, it doesn't make them not broken.
@@SPZ-gv2on You are proving my point by acknowledging that in VGC you can play against broken pokemon without problems
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 Yeah, how dare people want to play a video game using a method that the game itself absolutely supports. So unreasonable.
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 who said there aren't problems? Those broken mons are just harder to play around than most, but a Pokemon doesn't need to be "invincible" to be broken. You can probably beat the likes of Calyrex-Shadow and Mega Rayquaza in Doubles better compared to Singles, but that doesn't make them any less bonkers to fight.
Man if only they didn’t get a rid of a good ice type
They banned gliscor but SS clef dodged 2 suspect tests pre crown tundra. And pex too!
uubers should become an official metagame at this point tbh
Feels like a new OU could be created out of all the bans that have happened in this gen
Ubers should just become the new “OU”/standard metagame and anything OP gets banned to AG.
@@Wonderlvnd Agreed. Also the lower tiers need to be cleaned up there's no point in ranking viability by usage if there's hardly anyone playing the tier in the first place.
Probably would do fine just going back to four tiers AG, OU, UU, RU.
I think they are making uuubers so that might happen
I cant believe that gholdengo and tusk are not banned but gliscor is. Ghold is so broken imo, decent alround stats, great offensive and defensive typing, great stab moves in shadowball and make it rain, reliable recovery, pretty good coverage moves even without tera(gleam, thunderbolt,focus blast, psycic), status imunity, setup moves, versitility with its scarf trick set, baloon set or covertcloak set being either defensive or settup sweeper. And it is probably one of the big reasonns why the meta is hazard stacking with HO, imunity to both rapidspin AND defog in a metagame where those moves are somewhat limited compared to before while they have increased the distribution of spikes. If gholdengo was banned i think gliscor would not even be top 10 used in OU let alone be banned. In my eyes ghold is more meta defining then gliscor.
I like gliscore more than the next guy but he probably would have gotten banned without ghold.
Also tusk isnt broken, its the best rapid spinner in the game which is why it sees so much play not because it does something unfair
This ban was literally - gholdengo prevents hazzard from being removed and sneasler can therefore sweep effortlessly, so we better ban gliscor.
I can't belive they banned Gliscor and not Gholdengo. Bizarre
Seriously, it’s like they want to prove something
So what is the philosophy here? Surely all of these bans can't be "overcentralizing", there are more spot bans in Gen 9 than entire OU tiers in other generations.
Domino effect is a thing. When you remove the current broken Mon, the next most broken can flourish and be banned next, leaving the next most broken Mon to flourish and repeat the cycle.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 Also, banning so many Pokemon can outright remove another Pokemon's counters. We banned all the good ice types so Gliscor barely had any answers.
@@vivillonenthusiast781 I usually see this argument used by dumb people who can't comprehend the idea of bans as a concept, but in this case I think you're right.
Cool, it is almost as if the community is finnaly realizing that the phrases like "the x pokemon is not problematic because it can't swipe your entire team" and "but there is counter-play" aren't very good arguments to not ban a pokemon.
Maybe some day they will ban gen 4 jirachi and gen 8 toxapex.
Main reason I stopped playing Gen 9 and started playing Gen 3. Whats the point of building teams only for main cores to get banned. I am actively being punished for not Running Gholdengo or Great Tusks because they have decided that they are the centralising Pokémon, meanwhile other viable pokemon like Gliscor/Sneasler are constantly threatened to be banned.
You also have an amazing opportunity to make a “that’s insane” mug. I would 100% buy one of those lol.
I think is was a big mistake not retesting Tera. If Tera is banned the meta goes an alternative Route which is more healthy maybe than ban one and antoher mon
Unfortunately this has the side effect of hurting lower tiers a lot where Tera is significantly more balanced. Maybe this means that it’s a mons problem 🤔
@@TheCounterTeamer You...don't have to ban Tera in every format, you know. And I'm pretty sure the patently absurd number of bans go to show that it's NOT a mons problem. Seemingly no matter how many mons you ban, it doesn't fix anything.
Tera is 100% the problem lol it's been like this since the beginning, I think they are just not doing anything on purpose to see how ridicolous the situation can get, they can't be d this dull unironically
you cant convince me the ou council doesnt ban anything that “top tourney level players” unanimously agree is hard to deal with.
This is why I quit trying to get better back in gen 6. They ignore anyone thats not within their circle then pretend they’re better than everyone else. Worse part is the forum sycophants that parrot their opinions.
I remember arguing in the forums back in gen 6 that tangrowth was actually a really good mon in the ou meta and got laughed down by forum members because I wasn’t some elite player. Then some guy with a bunch of badges under his name starts talking about Tangrowth and how great it is and everyone is just clapping for the dude.
I think the normalization of banning things makes players lazy and just prefer to wait for a ban instead of really experimenting.
I know tera is the big reason why Gliscor was probably banned but this gen has a LOT of boost sweepers and strong, spammable neutral hits that can definitely apply pressure to gliscor.
At this point I think they should do a full redo just for fun, and bring back all the unbanned mons. I don’t think gliscor would be as threatening with Chien Pao or Palafin or Volcarona still around.
I think the plan is to just unban 90% of the bans for the DLC, to give everything a fair shot once GameFreak adds everything back into the game. Some stuff like Chi-Yu will obviously stay banned but with 100 new Pokemon added and several new legends/paradox mons, may as well let it become a sandbox and reban everything one by one.
When the indigo disk drops they should unban everything. If current OU staples fall so be it, there have been too many bans this gen when I think there are clear answers to many of our problems, they've just been sent to ubers
"Gen 9 was a mistake"
Yes I think we can all agree on this.
I think the “he’ll be back in a month anyway” comment relates to Gholdenego. Its a very popular opinion that he enables Gliscor to spike stack, even if Gliscor doesn’t have any really bad matchups. “Gliscor died for Gholdengo’s sins” is a very popular sentiment. When the cheese man is banned, Gliscor could be freed.
As a spectador, this metagame is intertaining
What did my Boi do!? 😢
I have been using him on my team for over a decade.
I think when the correct play in a Glis V Glis is to stay in so your other pokemon dont get toxiced or Uturned and PP stall the other Glis - yeah the mon needs to be banned. Suspect Gholdengo now?
I swear this Iron Mugulis looks so sick it might be the first youtuber merch I actually buy (well if it becomes available in EU), despite not even owning the gen 9 games and never having played gen 9 OU lol
Jimothy Cool super fans rushing to the comments section to be the first one to type out either the first sentence in the vid or ‘this is insane’: 🏃🏃🏃🏃
This is insane
8:43 10 hour version please
They should let Zigzagoon get the items back, because it's like Knock Off and Pick Up
Gliscor, Palafin, Volcarona, RM: get banned
Gholdengo, there since ruleset 1: I'm ghimmighonna pretend I didn't see that
People were just scared of the greatness of Weezing-Galar to keep Gholdengo and Gliscor in check and didn't see the real hero of OU, Weezing sweep 💪💪💪💪💪
A lot of the current banlist are Pokemon that were rebanned, I expect Gliscor to be back on the list again later if unbanned
I think it's just difficult to balance a fair and fun metagame when power creep has gotten this crazy. They're doing their best, and I can respect that.
Tera isn't directly the cause, but I think it's important to say that ice type coverage has gone down in value becuase the vast majority of major Pokémon with ice type weaknesses (and not uncommonly 4x weakness) use Tera to remove it. Tera is the problem imo. It's just hard to have an answer to some of these when you can pivot to a whole new set if weaknesses and keeping a stabs or even gaining a new one
It honestly feels like OU always has their golden child that the never want to get banned so they ban everything around it, in this case it was Gholdengo, Gliscor being banned feels like people misplacing blame that should be for Gholdengo
Gholdengo probably bribed Smogon with the help of old money that's why
Its insane how many bans have been happening in Scarlet violet
I like the part where gholdengo said "IT'S GOLDIN' TIME" and proceeded to gold gliscor out of the tier
Imagine a world where people have been complaining about Landorus-T for pretty much it's entire existence in the tier and the chumps that run the place going "that reminds us, Gliscor is taking away from Lando's never ending limelight". Reminds me of the time back when swagger was considered too unreliable to be a threat, but the moment I manage to climb past 2100 with it in OU and Ubers and start consistently beating the guys who get the votes it magically goes onto the chopping block.
Gen 9 OU is such a bizarre tier. It's fun sometimes, but the fun goes away because smogon LOVES to ban any popular Pokemon asap instead of adapting to it.
Literally Kingambit. Its been the best mon in OU for a while and it hasn't gotten banned
@@vanjagalovic3621weird, it's like people voted not to ban it
They say that this one is the biggest problem
And yet two steel types that are much more problematic are still running rampant, and one is the "reason" why Gliscor was banned
#JusticeForGliscor