Super cool stuff! I was familiar with R-Core grips already, but this product is crazy. Seems like the best option I have seen if you don't know for sure what grips work best for you, how tweaking different aspects of it will change your shot, aren't experienced in grip building, are worried about screwing it up and having to start over, timid about wasting material etc... this stuff addresses all of that. Plus it will allow me to infinitely work my grip with a single purchase!?!? Definitely will try in the future.
Salutations from Plant City, FL! Thank you for reviewing and troubleshooting the product as is, it helps people like me have a better idea of what to expect out of the box. I look forward to seeing other product reviews!
Interesting option. I do my grips myself always. I actually just cut aluminium L-piece to right size, make hole for Winwin and Hoyt. The i apply paddy over to form it like you. You keep on explaining exiting stuff. Thanks. Jari
Definnatly going to give this a try I like all videos in the barebow series as only been doing archery a year been using the tips and they've been a great help
I've recently told to my friend that I didn't have enough time to watch Jake's videos because of my work. Next day our 3rd lockdown in London was announced. Now my friend is blaming you ;) But I have time to watch your videos )
If you have a removeable bow grip try epoxy plumbers putty. It is available at all hardware stores. Cut off the amount you want and then knead it until the color is even. Now you have a few minutes to apply it to the grip and move it around to form the grip the way you want it. It will be rock hard in a few hours. I have applied it to my pistol grips on a sig p320 to build a larger thumb rest. I used a Dremel tool to grind it down where needed. I would not use it on wood risers. You have a great channel, thank you.
I like the reuseability of it, with putty, if you make a mistake, add more putty, sand or file etc, can take a lot of time, this seems better, less waste and quicker in some ways.
This stuff is really cool! I'll definitely try it out! Also interesting to hear your thoughts about their grips and grip materials (such as glass!). Can you please elaborate on the grip you invented for Hoyt that made its way into the HP geometry? You mentioned them in your old grip making video, but I couldn't find any info about them. Why is nobody is shooting them? Would you recommend building one? Also, what are your thoughts about raising the pressure point but keeping the slope low, and keeping the pivot point untouched? Results in a "hump" that goes towards the hand, and goes back down with the original low slope. I hope I made myself clear. Thanks a lot as always!
Around 25 yrs ago there was a product called Form-A-Grip. I can't remember the process I used but I think it was just a medical glove. U held the grip until it was shaped to shape of your palm. But it was more of something permanent right to the riser of the bow. It gave u a custom DIY & it's best feature was that u never felt cold from the riser. I had Robin Hoods I shot using fingers on a long compound. I'm now looking to find something in a 19" riser cuz the two 19" wood risers I have both have pros & cons as far as the grip & stability I desire. I'm not having any hand shock from the 2 sets of carbon ILF limbs I have. So it all comes down to hand position. ✋️
When you have it nearly done if you put on a top layer that is soft, and press your hand into it, you'll essentially have a print of your hand as part of your grip!
Jake, put it on in layers, first covo9er all of the blank in a thin layer while still a liquid so it sticks, then as you build up the layers you can do it more slowly and precisely because you are sticking like to like and the layers underneath will be getly revitalised by hot fresh liquid being added to itself!
Neat. Is it affected by a heat gun, or as low heat as a blow dryer? Is there some mysterious chemical reaction with water? If you can have them share a more exact date for when they're launching the system, that would be appreciated. Or a pre-order even.
nothing mysterious. if you search for polymorph/polyshape/polydough you'll find basically the exact seme pellets. it´s just a polymer with a glass transition temperature of around 60C
Bonjour Jake, i am french and i would know one thing mire, d’Henri you are aiming, you do it With the arrow head or the pin of the arrow rest ? Thanks for the answer if you are not too busy. I enjoy very mush all your videos.. merci beaucoup.
How does it feel on the skin? Does it feel at all like a rubber surfaced grip? My hands don't sweat so I need a grip surface that creates some sort of friction with the skin. I currently have a piece of bicycle inner tube glued to my grip on my decut. It's a bit Frankensteinsih but doest the trick.
Could it be possible for you to do a review of the K.T.E.E.N.O.S. grip, also from R-core?. How does it fit for the majority of the people out there?. It is based on KSL type of bow grip and looks pretty similar to the kind of grips you use and you mould and maybe it would only need minor adjustments or none at all
@@JakeKaminskiArchery OK, Great!!. Thanks!!. I am thinking on getting one but I would like to have some more info about that particular grip, if possible, before buying. As said, it looks cool and pretty similar to what I have already molded myself using putty...
Very informative vid. I guess friction from sanding will shift material temp closer to its melting point and accentuate the ‘softness’ issues. Wonder if sanding from freezer temp would make it behave differently
Hallo Jake! I used hot pistol melt glue; just melt some glue on the grip, molded as you like, use hot-air pistol if the glue stiffens..., watch out burning your hands/fingers, so use a bit of water with soap so the glue doesn't stick on them!!!!!! After molding and shaping, I covered the grip with leather.... All on your own risk!!!!!
Basically I think that's not the way its intended to be used. I assume you should pur it into hot water, put the glob onto the handle, wet your hand and grab it the Way you would grab the handle while shooting. Then the Grip would perfectly match your hand in shooting position.
Doing that will allow you to induce too much torque on the bow. You need a solid platform to shoot from that doest not let your hand slip, and torques the bow as minimally as possible while at full draw.
I'm going to bet that the thermoplastic never 'cures' - it just cools, and sets when it's cool. Otherwise you could never reheat and reshape it. From which (according to my logic) ti oughtta be possible to remodel it on the riser, with the assistance (and careful use) of an electric heat gun.
looked nice but i'm not a fan of this product. It seems like you have to put material in the troath of the grip too and many people will get that wrong, completely ruining the way the bow will perform. Also it melts at 60°C so yes it will still be hard enough when you shoot in 40°C temperatures, but it will not have a 100% same density as it will have at 15°C. I would never put a product that is that temperature sensitive on my bow, especially not in the grip. Also, i think it would feel different (more sticky) in warmer weather then in cold weather. Finally i do not think that when you have a perfect grip for one handle, you can duplicate it to fit another type of handle. Every bow is build in a different way, especially when you change brands. I'll stick with the messy putty
Thermoplastic is possibly the WORST material to use for a grip. A customizable thermosetting plastic grip makes sense, but a thermoplastic plastic grip is terrible. The last thing you want is an unstable material.
These grips are rubbish. I ordered one for my Black Wolf, the holes came oval instead of circular. This means the fit is terrible and looks cheap. Do not purchase.
Have you emailed the company? Aris at R Core is a stand up guy and will always fix what’s wrong. Consider messaging him and not spamming comments on all my R Core videos. If that fails, please come back to report here.
Being able to keep the original grip intact is a good selling point too - especially for a 2nd hand riser's market.
Super cool stuff! I was familiar with R-Core grips already, but this product is crazy. Seems like the best option I have seen if you don't know for sure what grips work best for you, how tweaking different aspects of it will change your shot, aren't experienced in grip building, are worried about screwing it up and having to start over, timid about wasting material etc... this stuff addresses all of that. Plus it will allow me to infinitely work my grip with a single purchase!?!? Definitely will try in the future.
Agreed!
Salutations from Plant City, FL! Thank you for reviewing and troubleshooting the product as is, it helps people like me have a better idea of what to expect out of the box. I look forward to seeing other product reviews!
Interesting option. I do my grips myself always. I actually just cut aluminium L-piece to right size, make hole for Winwin and Hoyt. The i apply paddy over to form it like you. You keep on explaining exiting stuff. Thanks. Jari
Definnatly going to give this a try I like all videos in the barebow series as only been doing archery a year been using the tips and they've been a great help
I've recently told to my friend that I didn't have enough time to watch Jake's videos because of my work. Next day our 3rd lockdown in London was announced. Now my friend is blaming you ;) But I have time to watch your videos )
I have used the same component to glue my corals in the aquarium. Good staff. You can reused or recycling.
Very cool product! Thanks!!!
If you have a removeable bow grip try epoxy plumbers putty. It is available at all hardware stores. Cut off the amount you want and then knead it until the color is even. Now you have a few minutes to apply it to the grip and move it around to form the grip the way you want it. It will be rock hard in a few hours. I have applied it to my pistol grips on a sig p320 to build a larger thumb rest. I used a Dremel tool to grind it down where needed. I would not use it on wood risers. You have a great channel, thank you.
I reference a video I just posted on that exact putty. I posted the video 2 days ago. Thanks for the support.
I like the reuseability of it, with putty, if you make a mistake, add more putty, sand or file etc, can take a lot of time, this seems better, less waste and quicker in some ways.
This stuff is really cool! I'll definitely try it out!
Also interesting to hear your thoughts about their grips and grip materials (such as glass!).
Can you please elaborate on the grip you invented for Hoyt that made its way into the HP geometry?
You mentioned them in your old grip making video, but I couldn't find any info about them.
Why is nobody is shooting them? Would you recommend building one?
Also, what are your thoughts about raising the pressure point but keeping the slope low, and keeping the pivot point untouched? Results in a "hump" that goes towards the hand, and goes back down with the original low slope. I hope I made myself clear.
Thanks a lot as always!
Would it fit a Samick Discovery riser, Jake?
Around 25 yrs ago there was a product called Form-A-Grip. I can't remember the process I used but I think it was just a medical glove. U held the grip until it was shaped to shape of your palm. But it was more of something permanent right to the riser of the bow. It gave u a custom DIY & it's best feature was that u never felt cold from the riser. I had Robin Hoods I shot using fingers on a long compound. I'm now looking to find something in a 19" riser cuz the two 19" wood risers I have both have pros & cons as far as the grip & stability I desire. I'm not having any hand shock from the 2 sets of carbon ILF limbs I have. So it all comes down to hand position. ✋️
When you have it nearly done if you put on a top layer that is soft, and press your hand into it, you'll essentially have a print of your hand as part of your grip!
Thermo plastic is a great idea for grip building. You can buy it on Amazon or some craft/hobby stores
Jake, put it on in layers, first covo9er all of the blank in a thin layer while still a liquid so it sticks, then as you build up the layers you can do it more slowly and precisely because you are sticking like to like and the layers underneath will be getly revitalised by hot fresh liquid being added to itself!
I want tea now!
Neat.
Is it affected by a heat gun, or as low heat as a blow dryer? Is there some mysterious chemical reaction with water?
If you can have them share a more exact date for when they're launching the system, that would be appreciated. Or a pre-order even.
Should be on Friday when its launched. Its purely just heat so a heat gun should be just fine to make adjustments especially finishing touches.
nothing mysterious. if you search for polymorph/polyshape/polydough you'll find basically the exact seme pellets. it´s just a polymer with a glass transition temperature of around 60C
Went to R core website, they do not have an option for a bow-tech Solution. Suggestions?
The grip material were melting in a hot temprature, will the grip change while playing in a hot temprature?
Bonjour Jake, i am french and i would know one thing mire, d’Henri you are aiming, you do it With the arrow head or the pin of the arrow rest ? Thanks for the answer if you are not too busy. I enjoy very mush all your videos.. merci beaucoup.
quite hard to understand your question. are you asking how to aim shooting barebow? if so, the answer would be the tip of the arrow.
How does it feel on the skin? Does it feel at all like a rubber surfaced grip? My hands don't sweat so I need a grip surface that creates some sort of friction with the skin. I currently have a piece of bicycle inner tube glued to my grip on my decut. It's a bit Frankensteinsih but doest the trick.
What's the bow vise attachment you have on your EZ press? I think I need one.
Its from LCA. Im not sure if they still sell it or not.
I wonder if you'd be able to use a heat gun to keep it pliable while you're trying to form the ideal shape?
J'utilise ce plastique modulable à volonté depuis près de 20 ans.
This material is polycaprolactone polymorph pellet. Look at amazon. Vey cheap ;)
Could it be possible for you to do a review of the K.T.E.E.N.O.S. grip, also from R-core?. How does it fit for the majority of the people out there?. It is based on KSL type of bow grip and looks pretty similar to the kind of grips you use and you mould and maybe it would only need minor adjustments or none at all
I'll see what they sent me and let you know.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery OK, Great!!. Thanks!!. I am thinking on getting one but I would like to have some more info about that particular grip, if possible, before buying. As said, it looks cool and pretty similar to what I have already molded myself using putty...
Interesting, they have a lot custom grips for older bows like my Hoyt Nexus and Hoyt Matrix and are based in the EU ;-)
why not use a heat air gun
Bonus points to R Core if you can add coloring agent (food colors?) while melting to get custom colors!
Seems like adherence to the grip could be improved by buffing/roughing the grip, then cleaning with alcohol before sticking the blobs.
The printed grip gives a lot of surface area for the blob to adhere to. The issue was user error in this case.
Very informative vid. I guess friction from sanding will shift material temp closer to its melting point and accentuate the ‘softness’ issues. Wonder if sanding from freezer temp would make it behave differently
supar cool
Hallo Jake! I used hot pistol melt glue; just melt some glue on the grip, molded as you like, use hot-air pistol if the glue stiffens..., watch out burning your hands/fingers, so use a bit of water with soap so the glue doesn't stick on them!!!!!! After molding and shaping, I covered the grip with leather....
All on your own risk!!!!!
wow
Basically I think that's not the way its intended to be used.
I assume you should pur it into hot water, put the glob onto the handle, wet your hand and grab it the Way you would grab the handle while shooting.
Then the Grip would perfectly match your hand in shooting position.
Doing that will allow you to induce too much torque on the bow. You need a solid platform to shoot from that doest not let your hand slip, and torques the bow as minimally as possible while at full draw.
I'm going to bet that the thermoplastic never 'cures' - it just cools, and sets when it's cool. Otherwise you could never reheat and reshape it. From which (according to my logic) ti oughtta be possible to remodel it on the riser, with the assistance (and careful use) of an electric heat gun.
Yeah I meant cooled not cured...
Hint:
POLIKAPROLAKTON POLYMORPH INSTAMORPH PLASTIMAKE PLAAST INSTAMOLD FRIENDLY PLASTIC
same stuff ;)
But no blank, worth it for that alone when compared to $75+ grips elsewhere. IMHO
@@JakeKaminskiArchery 100% worth!
looked nice but i'm not a fan of this product. It seems like you have to put material in the troath of the grip too and many people will get that wrong, completely ruining the way the bow will perform. Also it melts at 60°C so yes it will still be hard enough when you shoot in 40°C temperatures, but it will not have a 100% same density as it will have at 15°C. I would never put a product that is that temperature sensitive on my bow, especially not in the grip. Also, i think it would feel different (more sticky) in warmer weather then in cold weather. Finally i do not think that when you have a perfect grip for one handle, you can duplicate it to fit another type of handle. Every bow is build in a different way, especially when you change brands. I'll stick with the messy putty
Thermoplastic is possibly the WORST material to use for a grip. A customizable thermosetting plastic grip makes sense, but a thermoplastic plastic grip is terrible. The last thing you want is an unstable material.
Seems to be fairly stable, even in this hot temp in Florida.
60°C yep, it's melting in your car.
Sorry my phone automaticly change the words..
How to mold the grip? Take it into a saunaa.
These grips are rubbish. I ordered one for my Black Wolf, the holes came oval instead of circular. This means the fit is terrible and looks cheap. Do not purchase.
Have you emailed the company? Aris at R Core is a stand up guy and will always fix what’s wrong. Consider messaging him and not spamming comments on all my R Core videos. If that fails, please come back to report here.
This stuff is called pastimake been around for a while can buy it online anyway very cheap