Ha ha, you just filled my picture in. Now I know more. I was once upon a time project manager for Sweden-Latvia Gotland Ventspils. So I will fill you in and answer your question! The big difference to the other cables is that it is buried! They simply didn't get the "anchor" , really the dragging cutting tool, down deep enough in the seabed at that depth. It simply didn't snag. My guess is that they didn't use the ship's anchor on a chain but a cutting grappler ( like a plow) on a wire. It pleases me to learn that my cable survived the attack since the lay was actually done to survive beeing snagged by trawler boards and dragging chains.(or someone is just not admitting that it is cut too!) This is very deliberate sabotage. With poor intelligence coordination since folks in Russia knows the design as they were once involved as users of the cable. But now the other hand knows too since they failed.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Hi! what a great coincidence to meet the maker of the cable! This internet is amazing. :) Thanks for the info, now I understand why the cable didn't break. Hmm.. Can Yi Peng 3 have a suitable winch for cable-operated cutting tool? The anchor also seems to work well, and then it captain can be explained that it fell by accident. Ca. One year ago check out the NewNew polar bear case. Two cables cut off with anchor. (Estonian-Swedish and Estonian-Finnish, and baltic connector gas pipe) There is a video about it on our Finnish-language channel (Suukko II) Btw, Can I tell in the next video in Finnish channel, that i meet you in my english channel? The cable installer who said it was dug into the bottom of the sea. I won't say your name. Cheers, Samuli
All of this is more or less open information in the cable laying business. As soon as you know what ship and other resources that have been used for the lay you pretty well know what has been done. All of the cable laying ships in laying operations appear in Information to Mariners, right? What do they have next to their A-frame? The seabed of the Baltic Sea is really a reflection of the melting of the Inland Ice , a gigantic glacier. So what is downstream of a glacier? Boulder fields, clay and sand further away. That is why we have a sand coastline from Poland to Latvia. With lots of boulder fields further out to Sweden with clay patched between. So what is cheapest? Mapping routes plowable or just throwing a cable overboard hoping for the best as it settles on the seabed? So a lot of the cables just gets buried close to shore, if that. Free spanning cables do exist in the area. Not a big problem with no tidal streams. Big issue elsewhere. They are not very unfrequent in the shifting sand banks of the North Sea and trawlers have been snagged in them. The cables are pretty strong wires that easily rubber band down a fishing wessel trying to retrieve its gear. All of a sudden the stability is lost and the ship disappear in seconds. No captain will do that mistake today. Just drop the gear to be salvaged another day. So you need to have a BIG ship that could raise +25 tons, or a grappler cutting the wire armoring. Limits the suspects, right? The building of the North Stream pipes have provided the Russians with all they need of modern knowledge. Pre liberation they had an old undeclared cable StP Kaliningrad too, BTW. Lots of stuff down there. Note that the navies now buzzing around know exactly what to look for today. But it will be interesting to see if they will impound the ship or not as collateral. 50/50 that they will chicken out. Anything I have told you is not only open, but industry knowledge. The Gotland-Ventspils lay was even described as good practice at an industry conference decades ago. You should be asking if the cut cables were buried at the cut or not...
Try also to take a look at Xin Hai Tong 17. She also left Ust-Luga a little earlier than Yi Peng 3 a sailed at even lower speed. Both vessels had suspicious departures and returns to Ust-Luga harvour 4 hours put in again. 15!hours out in again as if they were practicing or testing something.
November 23, 1330 UTC: Picking data from Marine Traffic (cool site!), the "Yi Peng 3" is still anchored in the Danish economic zone but just outside Danish territorial waters. The Danish Navy has swapped the "guardian angel", it is now the "Hvidbjørnen", an inspection/coastguard ship. At least since yesterday the German coastguard / federal police ship "Bad Duben" has also been "hanging around".
The Captain/crew cannot have been unaware that the anchor was dropped and dragging. The chain must have made a lot of noise along the side of the ship. I wonder how they keep the chain away from the rudder and propeller
Very good explanation. Thank you for posting. It is too easy to blame the Chinese or blame the russians. The Captain as you say is responsible. How the Engineers and Mates did not understand they were dragging anchor especially when the strain of the cable was taken up is difficult to understand.
It is easy to blame the Russian and Chinese leadership because this clearly was not accidental and they have a history of pulling stunts with the aim of disturbing european communications. Perhaps Sweden, Germany and afinland should borrow a page out of the russian playbook and expand territorial waters to be able to eliminate unwanted maritime activities on what is currently international waters
In hindsight I have to say that there have been several Chinese ships being more or less static for some time throughout the year around that first location. I was looking at the 'shadow fleet' for a tracking project I was playing with at that time and noticed it, but never actually thought about which cables are running there. Maybe someone with access to historic data can look back a few month, as that is definitely no coincidence.
Maybe the police/ military also should take a look at the location where the ship stopped if they got rid of evidence or clear out what the reason for the stop was.
I presume investigators have timestamps for cables failure that may be linked to ship position. The ship can "simulate" engine issues to disguise dragging the anchor. The ship might have used something else to cut the cables, then drop it off to hide evidence, so absence of anchor chain scratches is not proof of innocence. The ship course/speed is suspicious, but even if it's proven beyond doubt they cut the cables, the captain/crew are just executing orders. This feels like a rehearsal for future conflicts.
The colour of this picture is slightly off which gives the impression that it is painted orange. But in 14:40 you see the true colour: "rusy steel" or in other words there is no paint on it.
The cables are very thin an the anker is made of pure steel. It is very difficult to physical damage steel even with stone (and the sea ground there could be mainly sand) . Indeed I would only expect changes in the rust coating - aka pretty minor.
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Well nothing new there it happened in two world wars! Why do people assume you can run items international waters and have no result in conflict. In the seventies I was on an accommodation platform that in a Force ten in the North Sea was drifting and pulled all anchors to avoid damaging oil pipelines. This form of degradation to lines and cables is even more available with remote vehicles and drones.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea well why would they not tell us if more cabels was damaged. i might be wrong with the ship beeing abel to drag that kind of weight and resistance and only loosing a few knots i a rough head wind. but listening to whats going on with shipping i tend to agree with his points, but your observation are also interesting.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea a 265m long anchor chain will make the angle from the ship 40degrees dragging it at 170m. so if the ship has scratch marks on the hull around 40degrees then it has been dragging all og its 265m at 170 m of water
The anker is not specifically made to destroy cables. I am not sure either if especially older cables can "burry themseves" by sand that is disposed over them through sea currents.
We also have a Finnish language channel. The speech-to-text function works there. It translates to English. th-cam.com/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=js7Qi88HEmaOdzW9
Cool pres, and thrilling, I bet you read some good spy novels in your days! But you left out the obvious: that’s what the plot looks like when a ship has engine trouble: it’s slow, it stops moving repeatedly, the steering is off and it keeps changing its ETA.
@tomhermens7698 It sure could be much better. English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish, so definitely a professional translator and a native speaker would be the best option.
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Great documentation of evidence!
@@peterebel7899 Thank you!
Very, very interesting. Thanks! 👍
@@droops6840 Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this. Tack! ❤
@@shar3066 Thank you for watching, tack själv 🫶
Ha ha, you just filled my picture in. Now I know more. I was once upon a time project manager for Sweden-Latvia Gotland Ventspils. So I will fill you in and answer your question!
The big difference to the other cables is that it is buried! They simply didn't get the "anchor" , really the dragging cutting tool, down deep enough in the seabed at that depth. It simply didn't snag. My guess is that they didn't use the ship's anchor on a chain but a cutting grappler ( like a plow) on a wire.
It pleases me to learn that my cable survived the attack since the lay was actually done to survive beeing snagged by trawler boards and dragging chains.(or someone is just not admitting that it is cut too!)
This is very deliberate sabotage. With poor intelligence coordination since folks in Russia knows the design as they were once involved as users of the cable. But now the other hand knows too since they failed.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Hi! what a great coincidence to meet the maker of the cable! This internet is amazing. :) Thanks for the info, now I understand why the cable didn't break.
Hmm.. Can Yi Peng 3 have a suitable winch for cable-operated cutting tool?
The anchor also seems to work well, and then it captain can be explained that it fell by accident. Ca. One year ago check out the NewNew polar bear case. Two cables cut off with anchor. (Estonian-Swedish and Estonian-Finnish, and baltic connector gas pipe) There is a video about it on our Finnish-language channel (Suukko II)
Btw, Can I tell in the next video in Finnish channel, that i meet you in my english channel? The cable installer who said it was dug into the bottom of the sea. I won't say your name.
Cheers, Samuli
All of this is more or less open information in the cable laying business. As soon as you know what ship and other resources that have been used for the lay you pretty well know what has been done. All of the cable laying ships in laying operations appear in Information to Mariners, right? What do they have next to their A-frame?
The seabed of the Baltic Sea is really a reflection of the melting of the Inland Ice , a gigantic glacier. So what is downstream of a glacier? Boulder fields, clay and sand further away. That is why we have a sand coastline from Poland to Latvia. With lots of boulder fields further out to Sweden with clay patched between. So what is cheapest? Mapping routes plowable or just throwing a cable overboard hoping for the best as it settles on the seabed? So a lot of the cables just gets buried close to shore, if that. Free spanning cables do exist in the area. Not a big problem with no tidal streams. Big issue elsewhere. They are not very unfrequent in the shifting sand banks of the North Sea and trawlers have been snagged in them. The cables are pretty strong wires that easily rubber band down a fishing wessel trying to retrieve its gear. All of a sudden the stability is lost and the ship disappear in seconds. No captain will do that mistake today. Just drop the gear to be salvaged another day. So you need to have a BIG ship that could raise +25 tons, or a grappler cutting the wire armoring.
Limits the suspects, right?
The building of the North Stream pipes have provided the Russians with all they need of modern knowledge. Pre liberation they had an old undeclared cable StP Kaliningrad too, BTW. Lots of stuff down there.
Note that the navies now buzzing around know exactly what to look for today. But it will be interesting to see if they will impound the ship or not as collateral. 50/50 that they will chicken out.
Anything I have told you is not only open, but industry knowledge. The Gotland-Ventspils lay was even described as good practice at an industry conference decades ago.
You should be asking if the cut cables were buried at the cut or not...
Try also to take a look at Xin Hai Tong 17. She also left Ust-Luga a little earlier than Yi Peng 3 a sailed at even lower speed. Both vessels had suspicious departures and returns to Ust-Luga harvour 4 hours put in again. 15!hours out in again as if they were practicing or testing something.
@@jesperdohrup9261 Interesting, thanks!
Very interesting, thank you for the detailed explanation.
@@daniel6438 Thank you for watching
November 23, 1330 UTC: Picking data from Marine Traffic (cool site!), the "Yi Peng 3" is still anchored in the Danish economic zone but just outside Danish territorial waters. The Danish Navy has swapped the "guardian angel", it is now the "Hvidbjørnen", an inspection/coastguard ship. At least since yesterday the German coastguard / federal police ship "Bad Duben" has also been "hanging around".
Big question is why the vessel has come to a halt in Kattegat .
That drop of speed can't be a coincident either given the locations of the cables !
Danish inspection
@@derek6579 No. The ship has anchored just outside danish territorial waters. So the danish navy/coast guard can't do an inspection.
The Captain/crew cannot have been unaware that the anchor was dropped and dragging. The chain must have made a lot of noise along the side of the ship. I wonder how they keep the chain away from the rudder and propeller
@@ErlingJensen-g4c Exactly
Not only the noise. The ship consumes a lot more energy this way, and this should be evident from the engine running to high for this speed.
The Russians are constantly disturbing GPS outside of Kaliningrad and that probably makes the ship AIS unable to send gps position in that part
Very good, personally, the voice over is fine. Thank you.
Very good explanation. Thank you for posting. It is too easy to blame the Chinese or blame the russians. The Captain as you say is responsible. How the Engineers and Mates did not understand they were dragging anchor especially when the strain of the cable was taken up is difficult to understand.
It is easy to blame the Russian and Chinese leadership because this clearly was not accidental and they have a history of pulling stunts with the aim of disturbing european communications. Perhaps Sweden, Germany and afinland should borrow a page out of the russian playbook and expand territorial waters to be able to eliminate unwanted maritime activities on what is currently international waters
So, could the Chinese boat dragging anchor last year over 15-20 nauticals may have been a rehearsal?
It had to be intentional. Any captain or crew member knows when the anchor is deployed. No crew has ever been that stupid.
Makes sense. The cables dont seem to be very thick
Great video, what a complete arsholes
Two can play this game? Where are Chinas, North Korea’s Russia’s, Iran’s Cables?
The cables are on the continent, bad for shipping.
@@peterebel7899 lol
Probably fake propaganda anyway
Carrier pidgeons?
Many cable breaks between China and Taiwan.
In hindsight I have to say that there have been several Chinese ships being more or less static for some time throughout the year around that first location. I was looking at the 'shadow fleet' for a tracking project I was playing with at that time and noticed it, but never actually thought about which cables are running there. Maybe someone with access to historic data can look back a few month, as that is definitely no coincidence.
Maybe the police/ military also should take a look at the location where the ship stopped if they got rid of evidence or clear out what the reason for the stop was.
I presume investigators have timestamps for cables failure that may be linked to ship position.
The ship can "simulate" engine issues to disguise dragging the anchor.
The ship might have used something else to cut the cables, then drop it off to hide evidence, so absence of anchor chain scratches is not proof of innocence.
The ship course/speed is suspicious, but even if it's proven beyond doubt they cut the cables, the captain/crew are just executing orders. This feels like a rehearsal for future conflicts.
14:26 - Why is there no damage on the paint, after the anchor supposedly plowed 400 km of Seaground?
The colour of this picture is slightly off which gives the impression that it is painted orange. But in 14:40 you see the true colour: "rusy steel" or in other words there is no paint on it.
If he dragged his anchor in order to damage the cables it should be easy to see and the scratches on bow.
The cables are very thin an the anker is made of pure steel. It is very difficult to physical damage steel even with stone (and the sea ground there could be mainly sand) . Indeed I would only expect changes in the rust coating - aka pretty minor.
Can someone explain why the ancor looked like new after being dragged for 400km? Is this normal bc the ground is sandie?
@@dieterrosswag933 check this out: www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/moerklagt/noget-har-vredet-anker-skaevt-paa-sabotagemistaenkt-kinesisk-skib
The first picture is misleading, see the second one.
One thing is sure , that insurance company has a hefty invoice to pay .
Hienoa salapoliisityötä! Nykyinen tulkkaus hieman missasi joitain alkuperäisen analyysin yksityiskohtia, vaikka paikoin karsikin pois turhaakin mistä pointsit. Päivän vinkki: Kokeilkaa ChatGPT kääntämään suomesta englanniksi. Se on parempi kääntäjä kuin DeepL. Whisper pystyisi muuntamaan suomenkielisen äänen suomenkieliseksi tekstiksi.
@@joonasmakinen4807 Kiitti vinkistä!
Well nothing new there it happened in two world wars! Why do people assume you can run items international waters and have no result in conflict. In the seventies I was on an accommodation platform that in a Force ten in the North Sea was drifting and pulled all anchors to avoid damaging oil pipelines. This form of degradation to lines and cables is even more available with remote vehicles and drones.
one cable was at 170m, dragging a 170m anchor chain along with a anchor is impossible, and the ship passed other cables that did not snap
@@mnp3713 How do we know they didn't snap? There are also old cables which are not in use anymore.
Yi Peng 3:s anchor chain is appr. 265m long.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea well why would they not tell us if more cabels was damaged. i might be wrong with the ship beeing abel to drag that kind of weight and resistance and only loosing a few knots i a rough head wind. but listening to whats going on with shipping i tend to agree with his points, but your observation are also interesting.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea a 265m long anchor chain will make the angle from the ship 40degrees dragging it at 170m. so if the ship has scratch marks on the hull around 40degrees then it has been dragging all og its 265m at 170 m of water
The anker is not specifically made to destroy cables. I am not sure either if especially older cables can "burry themseves" by sand that is disposed over them through sea currents.
yes
That was a whole lot of assumptions
I believe TH-cam supports Finnish to English translations by AI, you could study how it's enabled.
We also have a Finnish language channel. The speech-to-text function works there. It translates to English. th-cam.com/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=js7Qi88HEmaOdzW9
That’s spelled cables or cable…
@@johnfalkenstine8377 That's true. My mistake. (As I already wrote to another comment, English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish).
Chuck Fina
Miten tästä saa tämän englannin kieliseen mussutuksen pois päältä?
th-cam.com/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/w-d-xo.html
@@MarkoReidaa Menemällä meidän suomenkieliselle kanavalle. Suukko II.
Cool pres, and thrilling, I bet you read some good spy novels in your days! But you left out the obvious: that’s what the plot looks like when a ship has engine trouble: it’s slow, it stops moving repeatedly, the steering is off and it keeps changing its ETA.
The point please! Do I really need to stay tuned for 16 minutes?
YES
@@NicholasColdingDK There is many points.
Voice over is very poor.
It’s just fine
Your comment is very poor!
Don't you have other problems?
@tomhermens7698 It sure could be much better. English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish, so definitely a professional translator and a native speaker would be the best option.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea folk ska alltid ha något att klaga på. Tröttsamt. 😒
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea It was no problem understanding what you said, not poor at all.