anyone hating on nancy in the comment section is BORING, some of y’all can’t talk about any momoland member without bringing another one down it’s so annoying, is that too difficult omg we are talking about daisy
@@Way2go926 Nancy is a momoland member that isn’t even in the video bruh are you a troll?😭 i mentioned nancy because some people were hating on her in the comments even tho she was not even in the video (nancy was a member of momoland, daisy too, that’s the only thing they have in common) the video was originally posted publicly by daisy on her tiktok account and i have the rights to repost it without even giving credits because it was obviously published by the girl in the video, daisy
Popular Unpopular opinion: only ask for “justice” if your bias can sing the house down and get the Haseul treatment. If they can’t even sing encore properly then please stop, let it be
vivi can sing. she isn’t the best vocalist in the world but she doesn’t deserve 3 second lines in loona. check out loosemble! she gets actual lines and she sings them well. she’s not the dozen you want her to be🤷🏾♀️
K-pop fans obsess over line distribution way too much. People who have actually wrote and recorded music will understand what she’s saying here without having to be told.
@synergyrevolution2332 cause the fans want to see their idols participate. It might matter to the artist or it might not. But it will 100% matter to the people that specifically stan that artist.
@@W-I463 Yeah but if the fans learn about an idol when they're already in a group, their role in that group should become pretty apparent and the fans should manage their expectations accordingly.
so basically when you can't sing you shouldn't complain for receiving 5sec. the questions start when you're one of the best vocalist and still gets no lines edit : pls check the replies first before cracking your fingers. there's already plenty of nuanced opinions. ty
@@farewell-done2412 there's also that which is true. i'm myself a pro-YouDontKnowTheIndustry but... i also just love haseul and every orbits know that she LOVES singing and that's why it brings some questions/problems
@@RougeLino oops my bad I didn't mean it's significantly applied to Haseul but kpop idols in general. So many fans demanding their bias to have many lines and got enraged for nothing when there are many possibilities the idol themselves didn't want so many lines. Like mostly it's unnecessary to criticize the amount of line distribution cause producer must know better. Again with Haseul one, I don't have prejudice or whatsoever since I'm not really into Loona back then
I don't think it's true for what I'm going to say but when Uh-Oh was released, half of the fandom thought that Shuhua's part was scamming us and was actually sang by Miyeon. I thought that too at the time, but now I don't think that's true, Shuhua just has inconsistent vocals and tries to copy other members a lot. I just added this comment because you said Soyeon and Sooji, but not Miyeon.
@@Raphael-2 I agree she still has weak vocals but after soojin left it would be evident that she has very less lines so now he has repetitive lines eg : la la la etc
Nayeon’s visible hate for I’m Gonna Be a Star makes me 100% believe that it’s not uncommon for idols to intentionally mess up lines they think are embarrassing to sing
@@islamae29she shared that she hated the song because the only lines she sings is “i’m gonna be a star, i’m gonna be, i’m i’m gonna be, i’m gonna be a star” that’s why the once’s inside joke is nayeon loves that song so bad.
Si, un productor de una de las canciones de twice comento que la distribución era de acuerdo al rango de popularidad. Al menos cuando el trabajo no me acuerdo la canción pero estaba en la era cute de twice, por lo que si tiene sentido dado que Nayeon era la de mayor letras, jihyo la secunda y sana y tzuyu los coros. Definitivamente esto fue cambiando con los años pero es un recordatorio que todas las empresas hacen la distribución de líneas de forma distinta 😄
Yeah. I mean, the line distribution discourse is real but it's gotten a bit silly. People will see a distribution where it's mostly equal, maybe within a 10 second difference, and they'll start rioting. Sure, it's a bit evil to make someone do absolutely NOTHING meaningful for a whole song, especially if they're a good singer and wanted another part, but most of the time people are making problems out of nothing. They probably wouldn't have noticed the "inequality" if they weren't out here counting seconds. It's ridiculous
i still remember someone i knew who aspires to be an idol before said that if they were given a chance, it's better to be in a group than go solo so that they'll sing less than the usual and that person actually knows how to sing like fr 😭 and it doesn't hurt to have fewer lines than the other. kinda silly
A lot of soloists also have to do a lot more than sing (i.e. rap and dance) as well as it being a bit harder to make a song more interesting when it features only one voice so you often times have to be a lot better of a singer with a more interesting vocal colour than a lot of group members (imo a ton of groups have one or two people whose voice I just call the "basic kpop voice" and it works really well in a group but I see them standing out very little as a soloist)
@@thethingcalledlisa yeah soloists have to have more stamina esp if they were main vocalists to perform a whole song alone vs being with their group. Solo you may have to do more lipsync and less high notes live since you don't get that break time when other members sing their parts
also you can have 5 seconds and still be memorable in that song. Something that always comes to mind is IVE's Gaeul in After Like. She has 1 line and its probably the killing part of the song and her fancams for After Like have multiple millions of views because of that part.
Yeah i noticed that too ,in ive she is the weakest vocal wise (im not saying she is bad at all but i mean among them ) ,but i really love how they always give her memorable and iconic part even in there bside , they know how to make every member shine 💛
Felix from straykids is also a prime example of that. He is neither a particularly strong vocalist nor rapper, but his deep voice is perfect for iconic parts. Making him have more lines takes away from the wow-moment you have every time he comes up.
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The fusing of two voices actually makes a lot of sense. How many we listen to a kpop song and we think it's one member singing and we watch the m/v and it's a different member.
TWICE members once said all of their parts are switched when the music came out. In Nayeon’s case, they like her tone and think she suits all her parts, especially the intros. I also heard Jeongyeon gave some parts because she did not want to sing a part and gave it to another girl.
Yeah, that one with all their parts switched (except Mina who kept all her lines) was Fancy. Jihyo apparently had Momo's part in the verse, Momo has Sana's prechorus, Nayeon had Dahyun's swim swim part.
Jeongyeon for sure has been very open about not wanting allot of parts and not thinking she fits many parts in their songs. I always find it funny when jeongyeon solo Stan’s rant and rave about her line distribution as if she doesn’t have a say so in how many lines she gets when she’s literally in her second contract term and could have just went solo if it bothered her💀
@Bunnybunny5656 Very true. Twice is almost a decade old and has been making songs for themselves for years now. Jeong can definitely request more lines or write another song that she sings the most in again if she wanted to. Extra lines are extra work when performing, and fans aren't taking into account her comfortability. I definitely feel like she asked for less to sing during the times she was in and out of hiatus. And she probably doesn't want to overdo it/strain her voice like how their producers make Nayeon and Jihyo do with those high notes out of their comfortable range.
I think some of us, nevies, knew that Soyeon has mixed Shuhua's voice with other members' a lot of times, and we're not crazy. It's not about being a chameleon. If I hear Minnie's very peculiar tone, it's because I'm actually hearing Minnie's voice not other person imitating her. It's even more noticeable since the "I Love" album because Shuhua's voice tends to be less edited than ever. So we're actually hearing her real and clean voice now.
I would say kudos to Shuhua because she has improved enough that the producer line doesn't feel the need to mix or edit her voice that much anymore. And Soyeon is kind of right in the sense that when you take into account G-IDLE's vocal tones, you notice that Shuhua has the plainest one, I mean, the least distinctive. Because Miyeon, Minnie, and Yuqi have such noticeable tones, the fact that Shuhua's can be blended without sounding weird with them is not a lie.
@@lunarisita26 I dun get why nowadays people have to tip toe ard a topic to be politically correct. The crux of the matter is that her singing is very bad, her voice is fine because everyone has their own flavor but becos she lack the skills, she sound plain like a normal person singing in karaoke.
@@kingmurgos1222she's not a bad singer She has trouble with Korean pronunciation also the reason why she would ask for fewer lines. When she sings in English it's way better than in Korean. Yes not perfect honestly, but it's not cuz she can't completely sing
@@Abyss777 I do not understand Korean so it has definitely nothing to do with her pronunciation. If her pronunciation is also a problem, then she is worst than I thought after 8 years in Korea and still can't deliver a few lines. Anyway, her singing skills are really bad, just go listen to Super lady or Fate live, its like a person with zero training.
She said so herself that she feels burdened if she gets longer lines because she can't sing that well (or something along those lines) amd feels bad for the group and fans
@@UwU-stara. I have no idea about their vocal capabilities lol cos I'm just a casual listener. I was just talking about them layering his voice (I LOVE his tone btw), no complaints tho!!
He is just really good. He is the only one in the group who has perfect pitch so he's undoubtedly the best. Although I believe Sunoo is quite good as well but he doesn't get a lot in their title tracks. Oh and Jay as well
Explains why since Choa left AOA, the whole vocal tone of the group changed LMAO, she must have been doing the backing and doubles for everyone before that LOOOOL
@@UwU-stara.who was the second best sunoo? I remember him being quite stable but idk I didnt think the others were that bad though I did realize back then that ni-ki's voice was slightly nasal and shaky but wow he has improved so much
Another thing i would like to point out, when a relatively weak vocalists gets little lines, people try to excuse it by saying "they're the only stable one in the group. they're very stable idk what X company is doing with them :(" ... what if they're stable because they BARELY have any lines at all?
In some cases that member can be really stable and a strong vocalist but happens to be the least popular one of the group in this case Jeong from Twice
@@offtherecordnight as in explain more properly? Okay, lets say X idol who is known for not having much of a good vocal has little lines in a song, people riot and emphasize that it's "mistreatment" and after some time, a random mr removed or "live" vocal video happens, same x idol gets praised for "being stable compared to the main/lead vocalists" "should have more lines" when in reality, they are stable because its easier for them to be stable because of how little lines they have/ they probablyweren't even singing LIVE at all, i just think its a bit insulting that they unfairly compare stability to much better vocalists as a way to beg said idol to have more lines
lol what she mentioned last part of diffusing voices into one and not exchanging parts bc of being that person's one line WAS LITERALLY what happened with shuhua in latata (and others songs). NONE of her lines sounds like her at all (just look at lives) and the latata x8 has for sure minnie's voice blended in. and all of her others lines are shared with others members
diffusing voices probably meant that: - They heavily tuned and edited the lead vocal - Had another member to sing it while imitating the member that should sing that line - Mix the two audios together like a lead and a double at a similar volume and on both at the center. This will create the illusion that the member sang it perfectly, and the double voice is a choice. I know, because i used to do the same for people who couldn't sing specific parts LOL.
yup, if you search (G)I-DLE's dolby atmos stems for their songs then you will hear in the hidden channel that there's another member singing during Shuhua's lines
@@changguwife Anyways i believe that thanks to AI things will change, and they will start to use AI to get better results at mixing sub vocalists vocals.
for people who are interested, there are tons of "recording behind" videos of kpop groups you could have a basic grasp of how they record songs and you could realistically see why some members get fewer lines than others. you could realistically see who are struggling. some groups even show retakes or when a member needs to take over another member's part for singers/producers, watching IU's recording behind is a master class. she is in a level of her own in regards of that. red velvet's are also great. nmixx as well as kiss of life's (refer me to others too, its always a learning experience for me)
Yeah but there are also some idols that are struggling during recording AND during live performances but still got tons of lines. Idk, maybe our ears are different from producers ears
I already knew about the „vocal meshing“ ever since I saw that Nine Muses documentary where one member was struggling so bad with one high note, then on the finished track she magically belts it out perfectly but it sounded slightly like a different person even though it was still her line.
there’s a lot of examples of the ‘make the two voices together’ thing Sistar19 Bora’s part (G)idle shuhua’s part AOA Mina’s part and it goes on finally someone from the industry itself point it out daisy❤
In Dreamcatcher's Chase Me, Handong's first line is sung by Siyeon in the recording. I don't think it even is mixed with Handong's voice, it's just Siyeon.
@WhitePaintbrush yeah it's solely Siyeon. The reason why hasn't been confirmed yet, but I assume it's because it was recorded before Handong was fluent or their producers just had Siyeon sing it due to time restraints (quicker to have the main vocalist get the song done in one take vs having subvocalists having to do multiple takes for their lines)
She has a point. If you want a good example, go watch Unnies Slam dunk season 2. During the recording session, you can see how members' lines were changed because the producers think it won't work.
So just like how it goes in survival shows, nice - sounds fair to me. omg 1:42 - this explains why so many idols struggle to live sing their parts, they just don't sing well and need production engineering and the vocal backing of other members
I kinda have this hunch before she said this. All things from vocalization, tune, and how a melody or beat suits them depends on the singer. I didn't have a problem with unlike any other K-Pop fan because I share the same sentiments with Daisy, they worry less in live singing. I might sound like a hypocrite but, being in a thriving group and having least lines in songs is OK.
I've always thought this about idols who aren't strong vocalists. usually (not always) it's the dancers. they would get very little lines and the fans would get angry but I had a thought that maybe that idol actually doesn't mind because they may not be confident in their singing
Yeah fr the member who usually gets the least line in my fave group does not even sing live and yet her stans are always like "give her more lines, her voice is nicer than xxx(member with most lines aka company's favourite)
yeah tbh I always thought that if anything screen time/center time would be more important to idols then having a ton of lines. Like she said not everyone of course but if I was an idol that's definitely what I'd prefer
I already figured out everything she said, especially the part where she says an idol can actually be happy about having just a few lines in a song lol that’s just would be me if I were an idol 😂
The simplest way to describe it is that they want the best person on that part. You would rather want someone who is best on that role rather than someone is good on that role. By nature that means there will be unfair line distribution because the weakest will get the least, that doesnt mean they are bad but its because others are better.
she was absolutely right about the "some members get less parts in certain songs and more in others because they fit better" this whole *omg each member or main vocalist or lead vocalist or rapper or whatever needs to have this and that much lines* thinking by stans is one of the reasons why kpop is getting worse by the year, due to how formulaic and strictly manufactured it has all become because of that, just think about how most major releases don't dare to cross the 3:20 mins line anymore, only one of many examples
finally someone said this 😭 fans obsess over line distributions too much. it depends on the idol. some idols would want more, some would be 100% fine with less. and i feel like fans should stop automatically assuming a member is being looked down on or mistreated just because they got less lines
1:47 - 2:01 I bloody knew it! They do mix voices sometimes. This explains so much when I tell ppl ‘it sounds like x person voice even tho it’s this idols line’ and they wonder why someone else sings it live. Ppl will try and say I’m just hating but no ,my ears work. Your fav just couldn’t sing that line.
@@QwsedrftgQawsedrf-yy4hdG-idle Shuhua sometimes sounds like Soyeon, Soojin or Miyeon. KARD Jiwoo in their debut era sounded like Somin. BTS Jin like Jungkook and Jimin AOA Mina with Yuna and Hyejeong mostly AOA Chanmi with Jimin Hello Venus Nara with Alice and Yeoreum The Boyz Haknyeon with Sangyeon Enhypen (most members) with Heesung DIA Chaeyeon with Yebin and Eunice Sistar Bora and Dasom with Hyolyn Etc etc
@@jhm2732 Also ARTMS (prev LOONA) Choerry has a part in Love Cherry Motion that sounds exactly like Kim Lip and then another part that sounds just like Jinsol (and near the end you hear both vocals in the back while she sings when they appear but the girls stated it was all Choerry (BBC probably had them say that) ... I'm sorry but no way. I do think she can sing and I know they could probably copy each other's styles or have similar vocal training but it just did not sound like her
I do understand, and I also think that it's okay if some members get more lines (especially if it's the main vocalist). Not only that, but you can shine in other ways ; you can have a short but iconic/killing part, or get center in a dance break, ect. However, I still think it's a shame if the gap is really huge between members. Especially if it's always the same member who gets 5 seconds. After all, as a fan, I want to see all of them shine at some point. If I was an idole I would personally hate not getting lots of lines haha, but I guess it depends on the personality.
I saw some comments saying that "but some idols only have a few seconds of lines and managed to sing them well, so why don't they get more lines?" That's the whole point, because these idols want to show their best on stage, so some will have less lines because that's the amount of time/lines that they're confident/the company's confident they can sing well when recording and during live performances. But sometimes, the moment you give them longer lines/another part, they may not sound as good/as stable live. (In some cases they might be really good singers but their songs may not be in their comfortable range too) I'm not saying all of them are like this, of course there are some who may be really good singers and the company just doesn't give them more lines. But especially these days, people are always looking for MR removed/live performances/encore performances, and so if they already know that they can't perform well live and they get more lines, some of them may not be as stable and just end up getting attacked, which is why those idols would prefer to have less lines but stable outcome.
we actually like the tea behind because honestly shes got nothing to lose and she’s already out of the contract, we’re happy she’s able to share these 😂
about another member singing for the original member... i feel like this happens a lot with enhypen. Ihearheeseung's voice even if he'snot the member singing in the center
I've been in a group of vocalists. In the beggining we all want more parts but recording and doing it live is so stressfull that in MY group a lot of people want less lines, dancing and singing at the same it's hard guys, so we were pretty happy we fewer lines. And just like she said, different songs feel better with different vocalists, so it's totally ok to sing less than others in some songs. Besides, sometimes your focus is not on singing but dancing so yeah you get less lines but you get a key part in the choreography
Wow so what I understand is that some idols are so unbelievably lacking in vocals that they can’t even properly sing the 7 second “talk singing” part they get. But their fans still complain about how they’re “mistreated” lol
Fully agree with this, but Beomgyu getting zero lines in that one song is a literal crime 😭 like, at least let him sing one word or something. Also I can’t remember the name of the song sorry
Apparently he asked for no lines because he either didnt want lines or his voice didnt fit the song. Its still a bit sad he got zero lines like at least 1-2?
@@freakyadamm I feel like there should have been a way to work him into the song, and if there wasn’t they should have used a different song 😭if a song doesn’t fit all the members in the group,, maybe they just shouldn’t use that one
The 'merging voices' thing makes a lot of sense bc I swear sometimes I hear two members singing at the same time when I really listen in, but it's always shown to be just one member singing it during music shows and such
a lot of stans need to realize that a lot of kpop idols are just glamorized models with okay to mediocre talent! it is a golden ticket to stardom once you leave whether if they choose to model or act or continue music, they will still have a name for themselves unlike a lot of actors or models who if they choose to leave their inital work environment, they will immediately be a no name. Yes you have to train and work extreme measures to debut but it is so common these days for idols to just pop up in the newly debuted aisle just because they look good enough to market.
Literally. And it's fine, kpop has always been like that. With the chart success that's been happening people are forgetting it's always been more of an entertainment industry more than a music industry. If someone is mediocre in the parts they need to do for a song but are pretty and good at performing/stage presence they do in fact fit the industry and deserve to be there
@@user-jy9rq8nj7q I feel like the last gen that leans toward the music side is the 2.5th/3rd generation But I feel there are still fewer groups that establish both entertainment and music sides like KIOF and G-idle(imo, until HWAA)
@@samanthakim5035 I dont agree unless you meant musically talented and even then, production wise kpop has never been more about having listenable globalised good songs that will chart, groups like momoland are an example of before this themselves and itzy too this kind of kpop that is near cringe is lessening, yg sm jyp music sound was never very listenable not in title tracks and we are seeing more of the opposite in new gens even their debuts. nmixx and babymon is an current gen example of this genre, say compared to ive/illit/newjeans. but still I see a lot more of the big groups in 4th and 5th gen participating in actual lyrics writing and the process than the big groups of 3rd gen. I think after BTS there has been a bit of an expectation to be a music artist not just a k-idol group that wasn't there before.
Not entirely how it works, as singing can gain massive amounts of good reputation, which will: 1. Make the company give you a cover, 2. Give you brand-deals and farther exposure, 3. Give your cover more sales, 4. Increase the likelihood another company will debut you after disbandment Depending on the contract even earnings may differ. Though I guess with HYBE it really barely matters.. Dancing rules there
@@asdzxc9607 We have essentially no clue, unless some ex-idol reveals it. And even they likely won't be sure of it, as contracts (even in mundane jobs) forbid ever asking other workers for salaries, but from what slips out: It's superbly likely that workers who seemingly deserve same pay will actually get different salaries (because of some detail). So yeah, I wouldn't be sure either. Especially since the outside activities might be paid: sponsorship and else
Thank you for this. I get so tired of the endless justice for comments lol. I mean producers are just trying to make a great song, they don't care about line distribution fairness or even positions. They just want it to be a hit, and despite many of these comments, they obviously are doing their jobs. Also, on the flip side, the idols themselves may be very comfortable with the few lines they get and don't want more lol.
Tbh I kinda get where she's coming from but I think the problem most fans have is when the same members get the least lines everytime or not enough for their positions. Like sure sometime you get a bit more or less line but really most groups follow a similar pattern no matter the producer.
@@noname-uj3qo Yuta from NCT is a fuckin phenomenal singer. He's proven it through the short lines he gets, B-sides where he gets more lines and solo songs. He still doesn't get that many lines in title tracks.
@@noname-uj3qo there's also a ton of lines which basically don't need skills (talking, extremely easy singing lines, rap that is basically just a bit faster talking) so skill can't be the only factor (also people already pointed out talented idols not getting any lines aswell)
@@noname-uj3qo daisy stated a reason why members who can sing my be snubbed from lines is because their vocals may not be suited for specific sounding songs? are you gonna say someone like jeongyeon cant sing to "save her life" due to having few lines?
She’s so real for this. Not everyone “deserves” more lines because, well, they either don’t suit the vibe of the song or are not strong singers. Unfortunately in Kpop, there a more weak singers than there are stronger singers. Some can’t even call themselves singers at all. People need to stop getting their panties in a twist over line distribution bcs at the end of the day the producers working with the singers know each members’ strengths and weaknesses more than any of us would.
The thing about the sound engineers joining two voices into one makes sooo much sense now. I was always confused how so many artists could not even do the notes that they sang in recording, live. Makes so much sense. Some ppl cant hit those notes, so when theyre live and they attempt it, of course itll sound bad. Its not them and they cant do it.
It's such a common and even easy practice: - Have OG singer sing the line, and tune the hell out of it. - Have good singer mimic OG singer's voice, while singing the line properly - Mix the two together, synchronize it perfectly, and watch magic happen LMAO
I mean she is 100% right. Like I have seen some idols be angry with line distribution but they also are not good singers so why are you mad...learn how to sing and then you will have more lines in a song. I would also be happy to have small amount of lines to sing if I were them, it's less work.
I mean she’s right. I don’t want to mention any member from any group but if they’re given a vocally challenging song then why would you force a member with a below average voice to have the same amount of lines with the main vocalist?
there is definitely various opinion on this topic. for ex idol like sakura and shuhua mentioned it themselves that they felt burdened so its better to get less line. however there is also idol that want to get more line but never being given the chance to do so. after all it is a show business, if you want to stay in the light then you need to appeal and get the spotlight or else youll get overshadowed and stand back dimmed in the corner. i believe there is a case like what daisy said but there is also testimony, i forgot who said it that some member/s are blatantly being pushed up by some higher up people in the company, so whether they actually capable or not it didn't really matter, they will still get more chance either in singing, time screen, or center position even many individual deals. or there is also idol that get mistreated or bullied because offending someone in their company and end up getting so minimal in any group or individual activity, despite their talents and appeal.
When Daisy mentioned the producer having another singer of the group go in to sing another person's part, and the sound engineers fusing the two voices together had me thinking of a certain group that has a member who's really bad at singing, and her fans talking about her voice is a fusion of three other members.
As someone involved in production, it's such a nightmare working with groups that are more than 5. The main producer sometimes wants the face of the group to sing specific lyrics, sometimes we would record everyone to pick the right voice only then to just mix 2 or 3 vocals together. But don't be discouraged by this cuz not everyone in a group wants to sing, I know someone who just wants to dance and be given a few to little lines in the song.
honestly i'm passed my phase of caring about line distributions and i totally understand her explanation, nowadays i just like to watch the numbers, bars and the difference between the members. for me, there's something so satisfying about it tbh
I think it's really interesting how some producers will merge two voices together to make it sound like one person is singing a part that they're struggling with, learned something new 😊
Well its different for T-ara cuz they choose the part themselves which they feel the best for each one of them, i saw the documentary they just discuss and cross the written lyrics for them to sing
I know what she said about her rap parts in Momoland's songs, but hearing her talk so honestly about her experiences as a Kpop idol just makes me appreciate more everything Momoland gave us and makes me want to listen to their bops on repeat. xd
For the « mixing part », the first thing I think of is in LADIDA by everglow. During yiren « rap » part in the bridge, I always ear E:U. That might explains
I thought about Winwin from NCT/WayV, Winwin sang the same 2 songs when he was a member of nct 127 and wayv, but in wayv he didn't get any more lines, when wayv became 6 members, the former member's lines were assigned to the other members
People (fans) think theyre "better" if they have more parts, but honestly for the stars themselves, most of them dont care. Some will even want to avoid the work.
RIGHT THATS WHAT I ALWAYS THOGUHT cuz like if I were in their shoes and I had like only 5 seconds to sing then at live performances I can just put all my effort into those five and not worry abt getting outta breath and dance @ the same time
I feel like, as a producer, you should consider all members' voices, I get that music producers have some kind of visions for what they want to create though and of course, having less lines would not be an issue for some, but it would be an issue for others, I know that at least Sooyeong from SNSD talked about that also, less lines usually lead to less screen time in mv and less center time in performance, and, as a fan, I want to see and hear my favs as well
Yup. The realest comment so far. Again, daisy stated that’s her own opinion about the line distribution part but for some idol who have good skill / part of vocalists ofc they deserve more lines. And just like your statement less line = less screentime. It’s not that hard actually if they really want to make it happen just look at svt. they have the best line distribution on kpop amoung big group (13 members)
Tbf not all kpop songs are made specifically for a group, a lot of them come from purchasing demos that get translated into korean and modified into the final song. The korean producers are still usually the ones assigning lines tho so they can consider how to distribute so that all members get their highlight moment. I do remember other older sm idols talking abt not enough lines like a lot of suju members in the early years bc of how many members there were and partially why they hated kyuhyun getting added after debut cuz they'd get less lines
comment section proves that people would really just hear what they wanted to hear, feign ignorance to the things they dont want to hear, twist words to get the phrases they want to get. multiple artist have been asked and answered this topic, what more do you want? if you dont want to listen to their answer why even bother asking?
I actually feel relieved when an idol gets less lines because I think of how frustrating singing a lot of would be in tours and concerts, all that while dancing.
I just wanna know how the duck did we get 3 seasons of Produce 101 SHOWING THE ENTIRETY OF THIS PROCESS and yet here we are in 2024 & this discussion is still a thing???? ATP if you’re still fighting about line distributions you’re a lost cause
@@RaRoma-oq3yp yeah I never watched any of the survival shows other than the chinese produce copy since I didn't like the evil editing and idol producer was less stressful lol but a lot of people did watch produce 101 so they don't have an excuse
It really sucks how in the K-Pop industry, nobody gaf about vocals. Like, why does “this member couldn’t sing this well” or “this member doesn’t suit this genre” even exist? An artist should be well equipped vocally and artistically for their own production and songs. Their songs should be molded towards THEM, not molded towards the TRENDS or their AUDIENCE. It’s crazy how idols are expected to sing from Disney grade songs to like rock metal punk. It’s all about the trends and not the members’ vision for their artistic careers.
Kind of lame to throw a blanket statement about how nobody in kpop gaf about vocals. Because they do. These are also idol groups, not independent artists who pay their own producers. These idols can do that after they learn everything they can from being part of group and graduate to being an actual artist....like the late Jonghyun, zico, gd, and soyeon.
what's wrong with "this member doesn't suit this genre"?? this is about vocal tone, they can't change that, and how do you "mold" a song to seven or eight different voices?? some members will suit disney songs more, while other will suit the rock ones, and that's okay
@@noname-uj3qo They were saying that if a member doesn't suit the genre, they shouldn't sing the song in the first place and try to find songs better for them. They not saying that everyone should fit every style at all, they were pointing out how companies just picks genres and styles according to the trends and markets, and that the rest is not important, which leads to mediocre interpretations.
@@Raphael-2 That's why I said the members voices are different so how can you find a genre that suits them all? It would be also unfair towards the members to discard a good song just because one of them doesn't fit well
@@noname-uj3qo That's why they should prioritize picking members who are all good at singing so it's easier to find songs and genres that fit all of them (based on what OP is saying). Once the group is made it's too late indeed if they really picked weak singers and what you're saying is true for that situation, so they're talking about the recruiting process before choosing members.
everyone be complaining about their idols not having fair line distribution, then hating on them for singing bad on live performances. they should also consider their idol's decision whether or not to have a lot or fewer lines.
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anyone hating on nancy in the comment section is BORING, some of y’all can’t talk about any momoland member without bringing another one down it’s so annoying, is that too difficult omg we are talking about daisy
i deleted the comments y’all are weird
@@hatsune_minhou didnt even put any credit to nancy. I’m not a fan of momoland but this video isn’t yours originally yeah?
@@Way2go926 Nancy is a momoland member that isn’t even in the video bruh are you a troll?😭 i mentioned nancy because some people were hating on her in the comments even tho she was not even in the video (nancy was a member of momoland, daisy too, that’s the only thing they have in common) the video was originally posted publicly by daisy on her tiktok account and i have the rights to repost it without even giving credits because it was obviously published by the girl in the video, daisy
Bro do you eat grass for living or what? @@Way2go926
you sound like you need a hug
Popular Unpopular opinion: only ask for “justice” if your bias can sing the house down and get the Haseul treatment. If they can’t even sing encore properly then please stop, let it be
fr, this applies to some of lesserafim members, shuhua and vivi the most
@martinherrera25 dont wanna name drop cause some crazy stans out there's gonna jump anyone who dares to say anything abt their faves, but yes.
Louderrr
@@martinherrera25 I'd say some in twice, exo or lesserafim but my fellas in christ wouldn't ready for that
vivi can sing. she isn’t the best vocalist in the world but she doesn’t deserve 3 second lines in loona. check out loosemble! she gets actual lines and she sings them well. she’s not the dozen you want her to be🤷🏾♀️
K-pop fans obsess over line distribution way too much. People who have actually wrote and recorded music will understand what she’s saying here without having to be told.
Yeah, I feel like fans worry about this more than the idols themselves.
@synergyrevolution2332 cause the fans want to see their idols participate. It might matter to the artist or it might not. But it will 100% matter to the people that specifically stan that artist.
@@W-I463 Yeah but if the fans learn about an idol when they're already in a group, their role in that group should become pretty apparent and the fans should manage their expectations accordingly.
Agreed
some fans even call that having less lines is a "mistreatment" and shit like that lmaooo
The way Daisy explains at actually makes senses
I think it’s funny though how some artists will purposely mess up to avoid a line they don’t want haha
You should look up Exo's demo for Wolf. They made it very clear how much they hated the song
@@annabellej9429and it still didn't work. i would be punching the air if that happened to me because what were the sm producers thinking
@@hyukleberry5567 SM: yes wolf, im a wolf, auuuuu?
@@annabellej9429omg Mickey Mouse was even in that booth lol 😂
so basically when you can't sing you shouldn't complain for receiving 5sec. the questions start when you're one of the best vocalist and still gets no lines
edit : pls check the replies first before cracking your fingers. there's already plenty of nuanced opinions. ty
stares at haseul ottoke
@@aliencreature9 rather staring at bbc rotting in hell
The artists rarely complaining, but that blindly stan person that doesn't fully know how the industry works are
@@farewell-done2412 there's also that which is true. i'm myself a pro-YouDontKnowTheIndustry but... i also just love haseul and every orbits know that she LOVES singing and that's why it brings some questions/problems
@@RougeLino oops my bad I didn't mean it's significantly applied to Haseul but kpop idols in general. So many fans demanding their bias to have many lines and got enraged for nothing when there are many possibilities the idol themselves didn't want so many lines. Like mostly it's unnecessary to criticize the amount of line distribution cause producer must know better. Again with Haseul one, I don't have prejudice or whatsoever since I'm not really into Loona back then
Now i kinda understand why we used to get confused in between Shuhua ,Soyeon and Soojin's vocals for their b-side tracks in their Rookie era .
Ya Shuhua has weak vocals now she has improved her stage presence
I don't think it's true for what I'm going to say but when Uh-Oh was released, half of the fandom thought that Shuhua's part was scamming us and was actually sang by Miyeon. I thought that too at the time, but now I don't think that's true, Shuhua just has inconsistent vocals and tries to copy other members a lot. I just added this comment because you said Soyeon and Sooji, but not Miyeon.
@@Raphael-2 I agree she still has weak vocals but after soojin left it would be evident that she has very less lines so now he has repetitive lines eg : la la la etc
@@kaira7793 But she has more lines now, I don't understand what do you mean.
The way fans call her a ~chameleon vocalist~ because she has this strange ability to sound like everyone else in the group...
Nayeon’s visible hate for I’m Gonna Be a Star makes me 100% believe that it’s not uncommon for idols to intentionally mess up lines they think are embarrassing to sing
Wait what did nayeon do for im gonna be a star :0?
@@islamae29she shared that she hated the song because the only lines she sings is “i’m gonna be a star, i’m gonna be, i’m i’m gonna be, i’m gonna be a star”
that’s why the once’s inside joke is nayeon loves that song so bad.
Si, un productor de una de las canciones de twice comento que la distribución era de acuerdo al rango de popularidad. Al menos cuando el trabajo no me acuerdo la canción pero estaba en la era cute de twice, por lo que si tiene sentido dado que Nayeon era la de mayor letras, jihyo la secunda y sana y tzuyu los coros. Definitivamente esto fue cambiando con los años pero es un recordatorio que todas las empresas hacen la distribución de líneas de forma distinta 😄
some people get mad about line distribution when they don't even consider the important factors... thanks daisy for getting the truth out!!
Yeah. I mean, the line distribution discourse is real but it's gotten a bit silly. People will see a distribution where it's mostly equal, maybe within a 10 second difference, and they'll start rioting. Sure, it's a bit evil to make someone do absolutely NOTHING meaningful for a whole song, especially if they're a good singer and wanted another part, but most of the time people are making problems out of nothing. They probably wouldn't have noticed the "inequality" if they weren't out here counting seconds. It's ridiculous
I found Daisy's answer quite fascinating, and her attitude towards line distribution healthy and mature.
i still remember someone i knew who aspires to be an idol before said that if they were given a chance, it's better to be in a group than go solo so that they'll sing less than the usual and that person actually knows how to sing like fr 😭 and it doesn't hurt to have fewer lines than the other. kinda silly
A lot of soloists also have to do a lot more than sing (i.e. rap and dance) as well as it being a bit harder to make a song more interesting when it features only one voice so you often times have to be a lot better of a singer with a more interesting vocal colour than a lot of group members (imo a ton of groups have one or two people whose voice I just call the "basic kpop voice" and it works really well in a group but I see them standing out very little as a soloist)
Honestly I’d love to be in a group as I can still fade in the background 😂
@@thethingcalledlisa yeah soloists have to have more stamina esp if they were main vocalists to perform a whole song alone vs being with their group. Solo you may have to do more lipsync and less high notes live since you don't get that break time when other members sing their parts
Fans just want to hype up their bias. But yeah, for the stars themselves, more lines = more work.
also you can have 5 seconds and still be memorable in that song. Something that always comes to mind is IVE's Gaeul in After Like. She has 1 line and its probably the killing part of the song and her fancams for After Like have multiple millions of views because of that part.
Yeah i noticed that too ,in ive she is the weakest vocal wise (im not saying she is bad at all but i mean among them ) ,but i really love how they always give her memorable and iconic part even in there bside , they know how to make every member shine 💛
@@Yhad01 i think its because every member in ive has insane stage presence. They have that blackpink aura where everyone shines in their own way
Felix from straykids is also a prime example of that. He is neither a particularly strong vocalist nor rapper, but his deep voice is perfect for iconic parts. Making him have more lines takes away from the wow-moment you have every time he comes up.
@@whatsyourname9581 felix has aura asf
Or sana with shy shy shy which became a national phenomenon
I ain't gonna complain when I get less to do and still get paid the same on what's on my contract
fr
Means for u only money matters not esteem
@@AtharvJadhavS- obviously
@AtharvJadhavS- esteem is worthless, money is what keeps you well fed and with a comfortable house/apartment to live in.
Look at Adam Sandler, one of the richest actors in Hollywood(probably also globally). He's never mentioned in "greatest actors" type lists, but he's got money and lives a comfortable live doing whatever he wants
The fusing of two voices actually makes a lot of sense. How many we listen to a kpop song and we think it's one member singing and we watch the m/v and it's a different member.
AOA where everything sounded like Choa, Yuna and Jimin up to 2017 LMAO
With production capabilities you can do anything.
TWICE members once said all of their parts are switched when the music came out. In Nayeon’s case, they like her tone and think she suits all her parts, especially the intros. I also heard Jeongyeon gave some parts because she did not want to sing a part and gave it to another girl.
Yeah I remember Bep saying Shyshyshy originally was for Dahyun but her voice wasn't up to par at the time so it went to Sana.
Yeah, that one with all their parts switched (except Mina who kept all her lines) was Fancy. Jihyo apparently had Momo's part in the verse, Momo has Sana's prechorus, Nayeon had Dahyun's swim swim part.
Jihyo is the best
Jeongyeon for sure has been very open about not wanting allot of parts and not thinking she fits many parts in their songs. I always find it funny when jeongyeon solo Stan’s rant and rave about her line distribution as if she doesn’t have a say so in how many lines she gets when she’s literally in her second contract term and could have just went solo if it bothered her💀
@Bunnybunny5656 Very true. Twice is almost a decade old and has been making songs for themselves for years now. Jeong can definitely request more lines or write another song that she sings the most in again if she wanted to. Extra lines are extra work when performing, and fans aren't taking into account her comfortability. I definitely feel like she asked for less to sing during the times she was in and out of hiatus. And she probably doesn't want to overdo it/strain her voice like how their producers make Nayeon and Jihyo do with those high notes out of their comfortable range.
i just know the idols who are tone deaf af must be pissed their fans are protesting them to have more lines 😭
shuhua and sakura LMFAO
I think some of us, nevies, knew that Soyeon has mixed Shuhua's voice with other members' a lot of times, and we're not crazy. It's not about being a chameleon. If I hear Minnie's very peculiar tone, it's because I'm actually hearing Minnie's voice not other person imitating her. It's even more noticeable since the "I Love" album because Shuhua's voice tends to be less edited than ever. So we're actually hearing her real and clean voice now.
I would say kudos to Shuhua because she has improved enough that the producer line doesn't feel the need to mix or edit her voice that much anymore.
And Soyeon is kind of right in the sense that when you take into account G-IDLE's vocal tones, you notice that Shuhua has the plainest one, I mean, the least distinctive. Because Miyeon, Minnie, and Yuqi have such noticeable tones, the fact that Shuhua's can be blended without sounding weird with them is not a lie.
@@lunarisita26 I dun get why nowadays people have to tip toe ard a topic to be politically correct. The crux of the matter is that her singing is very bad, her voice is fine because everyone has their own flavor but becos she lack the skills, she sound plain like a normal person singing in karaoke.
@@kingmurgos1222she's not a bad singer
She has trouble with Korean pronunciation also the reason why she would ask for fewer lines.
When she sings in English it's way better than in Korean.
Yes not perfect honestly, but it's not cuz she can't completely sing
@@Abyss777 I do not understand Korean so it has definitely nothing to do with her pronunciation. If her pronunciation is also a problem, then she is worst than I thought after 8 years in Korea and still can't deliver a few lines. Anyway, her singing skills are really bad, just go listen to Super lady or Fate live, its like a person with zero training.
this is why sakura always looks so happy
She said so herself that she feels burdened if she gets longer lines because she can't sing that well (or something along those lines) amd feels bad for the group and fans
😂
😭😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
@@lislac LMAOOOOOO
@@lislac💀💀💀💀💀
Kinda explains why I hear heeseung almost everywhere in enhypen songs.
I think during their debut he was the only one good enough to actually debut. All the other members though have improved a lot now
@@UwU-stara. I have no idea about their vocal capabilities lol cos I'm just a casual listener. I was just talking about them layering his voice (I LOVE his tone btw), no complaints tho!!
He is just really good. He is the only one in the group who has perfect pitch so he's undoubtedly the best. Although I believe Sunoo is quite good as well but he doesn't get a lot in their title tracks. Oh and Jay as well
Explains why since Choa left AOA, the whole vocal tone of the group changed LMAO, she must have been doing the backing and doubles for everyone before that LOOOOL
@@UwU-stara.who was the second best sunoo? I remember him being quite stable but idk I didnt think the others were that bad though I did realize back then that ni-ki's voice was slightly nasal and shaky but wow he has improved so much
Another thing i would like to point out, when a relatively weak vocalists gets little lines, people try to excuse it by saying "they're the only stable one in the group. they're very stable idk what X company is doing with them :(" ... what if they're stable because they BARELY have any lines at all?
In some cases that member can be really stable and a strong vocalist but happens to be the least popular one of the group in this case Jeong from Twice
@@jeshuarestituyo284 i do think they overestimate how stable she actually is but yeah no she doesn't fall under this category dw.
can you elaborate this
@@offtherecordnight as in explain more properly? Okay, lets say X idol who is known for not having much of a good vocal has little lines in a song, people riot and emphasize that it's "mistreatment" and after some time, a random mr removed or "live" vocal video happens, same x idol gets praised for "being stable compared to the main/lead vocalists" "should have more lines" when in reality, they are stable because its easier for them to be stable because of how little lines they have/ they probablyweren't even singing LIVE at all, i just think its a bit insulting that they unfairly compare stability to much better vocalists as a way to beg said idol to have more lines
Fans complaining about "My idol doesn't get enough lines" but then refuse to stream their solo covers, songs or projects... is certainly a choice...
lol what she mentioned last part of diffusing voices into one and not exchanging parts bc of being that person's one line WAS LITERALLY what happened with shuhua in latata (and others songs). NONE of her lines sounds like her at all (just look at lives) and the latata x8 has for sure minnie's voice blended in. and all of her others lines are shared with others members
Jin's line in dope be like:
diffusing voices probably meant that:
- They heavily tuned and edited the lead vocal
- Had another member to sing it while imitating the member that should sing that line
- Mix the two audios together like a lead and a double at a similar volume and on both at the center.
This will create the illusion that the member sang it perfectly, and the double voice is a choice. I know, because i used to do the same for people who couldn't sing specific parts LOL.
yup, if you search (G)I-DLE's dolby atmos stems for their songs then you will hear in the hidden channel that there's another member singing during Shuhua's lines
@@changguwife Anyways i believe that thanks to AI things will change, and they will start to use AI to get better results at mixing sub vocalists vocals.
@@EclesysGalaxyoof with ai autotune does that mean we're gonna get even more difference between studio and live vocals 😭 it's already bad rn
This just reminds me of how hard MOA tries to push for Beomgyu to have more lines.
that's so interesting!!! I'm glad she shared that. also I miss momoland lol I hope all the members are doing well 😭
for people who are interested, there are tons of "recording behind" videos of kpop groups
you could have a basic grasp of how they record songs and you could realistically see why some members get fewer lines than others.
you could realistically see who are struggling. some groups even show retakes or when a member needs to take over another member's part
for singers/producers, watching IU's recording behind is a master class. she is in a level of her own in regards of that.
red velvet's are also great.
nmixx as well as kiss of life's
(refer me to others too, its always a learning experience for me)
Yeah but there are also some idols that are struggling during recording AND during live performances but still got tons of lines. Idk, maybe our ears are different from producers ears
i always love red velvet's recording behind
@@kenjihanshin
*Same!*
aespa are also great in recording sessions
SM artists are great with recording
Most of those are setup pretend re recordings.
I already knew about the „vocal meshing“ ever since I saw that Nine Muses documentary where one member was struggling so bad with one high note, then on the finished track she magically belts it out perfectly but it sounded slightly like a different person even though it was still her line.
learning about the diffusing tactic is wild … i’ve never heard of that ! so informative
there’s a lot of examples of the ‘make the two voices together’ thing
Sistar19 Bora’s part
(G)idle shuhua’s part
AOA Mina’s part
and it goes on
finally someone from the industry itself point it out
daisy❤
Can still monster by enhypen be an example?
In Dreamcatcher's Chase Me, Handong's first line is sung by Siyeon in the recording. I don't think it even is mixed with Handong's voice, it's just Siyeon.
in aoa, this also happened with seohyun and chanmi. in sistar it also happened with dasom.
Yeah you can tell cause in the Japanese version of Chase Me Handong does sing that part and it sounds very different.
@WhitePaintbrush yeah it's solely Siyeon. The reason why hasn't been confirmed yet, but I assume it's because it was recorded before Handong was fluent or their producers just had Siyeon sing it due to time restraints (quicker to have the main vocalist get the song done in one take vs having subvocalists having to do multiple takes for their lines)
this is what bts told live...about solo stans complaining about lack of lines. Part distribution is really not that serious
What live , can I know ? I wanna watch it.
@luancosta199 10 is an overstatement. Some songs, it was 3-5 secs lol (and heavily mixed with Jungkook and/or Jimin)
She has a point. If you want a good example, go watch Unnies Slam dunk season 2. During the recording session, you can see how members' lines were changed because the producers think it won't work.
So just like how it goes in survival shows, nice - sounds fair to me.
omg 1:42 - this explains why so many idols struggle to live sing their parts, they just don't sing well and need production engineering and the vocal backing of other members
quite embarrassing actually.
I kinda have this hunch before she said this. All things from vocalization, tune, and how a melody or beat suits them depends on the singer. I didn't have a problem with unlike any other K-Pop fan because I share the same sentiments with Daisy, they worry less in live singing. I might sound like a hypocrite but, being in a thriving group and having least lines in songs is OK.
I've always thought this about idols who aren't strong vocalists. usually (not always) it's the dancers. they would get very little lines and the fans would get angry but I had a thought that maybe that idol actually doesn't mind because they may not be confident in their singing
Yeah fr the member who usually gets the least line in my fave group does not even sing live and yet her stans are always like "give her more lines, her voice is nicer than xxx(member with most lines aka company's favourite)
cough cough momo
@@thatoneperson731 but I appreciate jyp for how they switched her position post more and more era to sub rapper so she won't restrain
@luancosta199 Yes! Like how Shotaro got less lines in Get a Guitar but got a dance break
ppl be forgetting idols are humans too, they have their own strengths and weaknesses
yeah tbh I always thought that if anything screen time/center time would be more important to idols then having a ton of lines. Like she said not everyone of course but if I was an idol that's definitely what I'd prefer
I already figured out everything she said, especially the part where she says an idol can actually be happy about having just a few lines in a song lol that’s just would be me if I were an idol 😂
The simplest way to describe it is that they want the best person on that part. You would rather want someone who is best on that role rather than someone is good on that role. By nature that means there will be unfair line distribution because the weakest will get the least, that doesnt mean they are bad but its because others are better.
she was absolutely right about the "some members get less parts in certain songs and more in others because they fit better" this whole *omg each member or main vocalist or lead vocalist or rapper or whatever needs to have this and that much lines* thinking by stans is one of the reasons why kpop is getting worse by the year, due to how formulaic and strictly manufactured it has all become because of that, just think about how most major releases don't dare to cross the 3:20 mins line anymore, only one of many examples
finally someone said this 😭 fans obsess over line distributions too much. it depends on the idol. some idols would want more, some would be 100% fine with less. and i feel like fans should stop automatically assuming a member is being looked down on or mistreated just because they got less lines
woah daisy's voice sounds really nice
1:47 - 2:01 I bloody knew it! They do mix voices sometimes.
This explains so much when I tell ppl ‘it sounds like x person voice even tho it’s this idols line’ and they wonder why someone else sings it live.
Ppl will try and say I’m just hating but no ,my ears work. Your fav just couldn’t sing that line.
Can you give me some example ?
@@QwsedrftgQawsedrf-yy4hdG-idle Shuhua sometimes sounds like Soyeon, Soojin or Miyeon.
KARD Jiwoo in their debut era sounded like Somin.
BTS Jin like Jungkook and Jimin
AOA Mina with Yuna and Hyejeong mostly
AOA Chanmi with Jimin
Hello Venus Nara with Alice and Yeoreum
The Boyz Haknyeon with Sangyeon
Enhypen (most members) with Heesung
DIA Chaeyeon with Yebin and Eunice
Sistar Bora and Dasom with Hyolyn
Etc etc
@@jhm2732 Also ARTMS (prev LOONA) Choerry has a part in Love Cherry Motion that sounds exactly like Kim Lip and then another part that sounds just like Jinsol (and near the end you hear both vocals in the back while she sings when they appear but the girls stated it was all Choerry (BBC probably had them say that) ... I'm sorry but no way. I do think she can sing and I know they could probably copy each other's styles or have similar vocal training but it just did not sound like her
@@jhm2732 can you tell me an enhypen song ( famous kind ) where they sound specifically like heeseung.
this is so obvious to SNSD into the new world, the high notes are both taeyeon and jessica but on live performances, it's only taeyeon's part
Even after all these years she just as beautiful as she was during 2017 and 2018
The way Daisy already put the disclaimer in the beginning tells alot to these kpop fans in the comments 😭😭😭😭
I do understand, and I also think that it's okay if some members get more lines (especially if it's the main vocalist). Not only that, but you can shine in other ways ; you can have a short but iconic/killing part, or get center in a dance break, ect.
However, I still think it's a shame if the gap is really huge between members. Especially if it's always the same member who gets 5 seconds. After all, as a fan, I want to see all of them shine at some point.
If I was an idole I would personally hate not getting lots of lines haha, but I guess it depends on the personality.
I saw some comments saying that "but some idols only have a few seconds of lines and managed to sing them well, so why don't they get more lines?"
That's the whole point, because these idols want to show their best on stage, so some will have less lines because that's the amount of time/lines that they're confident/the company's confident they can sing well when recording and during live performances. But sometimes, the moment you give them longer lines/another part, they may not sound as good/as stable live. (In some cases they might be really good singers but their songs may not be in their comfortable range too)
I'm not saying all of them are like this, of course there are some who may be really good singers and the company just doesn't give them more lines.
But especially these days, people are always looking for MR removed/live performances/encore performances, and so if they already know that they can't perform well live and they get more lines, some of them may not be as stable and just end up getting attacked, which is why those idols would prefer to have less lines but stable outcome.
"not a generalization" *sly face 😏😏*
Why she always reveal the secret of kpop industry? It's her hobby now😂😂
Because fanatical idiots who think they know better are way too loud homie 😂
Well people are asking her about it and they seem curious
fr she’s our source
we actually like the tea behind because honestly shes got nothing to lose and she’s already out of the contract, we’re happy she’s able to share these 😂
If you hear the boys - snsd, yoona part of the second verse actually mix with seohyun and during the live. Seohyun sing with yoona.
seohyun can actually harmonize so she was in TTS subunit, probably it helped the other members blend in with their song and singing capabilities.
Ngl I can picture idols like Dahyun and Hyewon messing up the recordings on purpose idky😂😂.
Producer: "Common Dahyun, I really hoped for you to nail that part😢"
Dahyun: "Common, I really hoped for you to write good lyrics🙄"
Realizing that maybe we care more about the line distribution than the idols do 💀💀
why do I feel like this is the reason why shuhua's voice is so different in live, like in the recording she sounds like minnie, miyeo etc.
So that's why Moka sounds like Yunah on Magnetic lol
about another member singing for the original member... i feel like this happens a lot with enhypen. Ihearheeseung's voice even if he'snot the member singing in the center
I mean if your bias sings like sakura then you should stop complaining about her getting small amount of lines
OMFG LONG TIME NO SEE HER 😭😭😭 GLAD SHE DOING FINE
I've been in a group of vocalists. In the beggining we all want more parts but recording and doing it live is so stressfull that in MY group a lot of people want less lines, dancing and singing at the same it's hard guys, so we were pretty happy we fewer lines. And just like she said, different songs feel better with different vocalists, so it's totally ok to sing less than others in some songs. Besides, sometimes your focus is not on singing but dancing so yeah you get less lines but you get a key part in the choreography
if the song sounds good it sounds good. I couldnt care less about part distibution
Wow so what I understand is that some idols are so unbelievably lacking in vocals that they can’t even properly sing the 7 second “talk singing” part they get. But their fans still complain about how they’re “mistreated” lol
Some people are visuals for reasons. And rappers are usually main dancers.
Imagine not being able to sing properly the only part the producers believed you could sing. I would feel so embarrassed hahaha
Thats what happens when you work with untrained vocalists that don't have a true passion for singing LMAO
That’s about 90% of idols
Fully agree with this, but Beomgyu getting zero lines in that one song is a literal crime 😭 like, at least let him sing one word or something. Also I can’t remember the name of the song sorry
i think it was happily ever after 😭
@@cami7cloud oh yeah that’s it 😭
Apparently he asked for no lines because he either didnt want lines or his voice didnt fit the song. Its still a bit sad he got zero lines like at least 1-2?
@@freakyadamm I feel like there should have been a way to work him into the song, and if there wasn’t they should have used a different song 😭if a song doesn’t fit all the members in the group,, maybe they just shouldn’t use that one
The 'merging voices' thing makes a lot of sense bc I swear sometimes I hear two members singing at the same time when I really listen in, but it's always shown to be just one member singing it during music shows and such
a lot of stans need to realize that a lot of kpop idols are just glamorized models with okay to mediocre talent! it is a golden ticket to stardom once you leave whether if they choose to model or act or continue music, they will still have a name for themselves unlike a lot of actors or models who if they choose to leave their inital work environment, they will immediately be a no name. Yes you have to train and work extreme measures to debut but it is so common these days for idols to just pop up in the newly debuted aisle just because they look good enough to market.
Idc
Yes!!!!!
Literally. And it's fine, kpop has always been like that. With the chart success that's been happening people are forgetting it's always been more of an entertainment industry more than a music industry. If someone is mediocre in the parts they need to do for a song but are pretty and good at performing/stage presence they do in fact fit the industry and deserve to be there
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I feel like the last gen that leans toward the music side is the 2.5th/3rd generation
But I feel there are still fewer groups that establish both entertainment and music sides like KIOF and G-idle(imo, until HWAA)
@@samanthakim5035 I dont agree unless you meant musically talented and even then, production wise kpop has never been more about having listenable globalised good songs that will chart, groups like momoland are an example of before this themselves and itzy too this kind of kpop that is near cringe is lessening, yg sm jyp music sound was never very listenable not in title tracks and we are seeing more of the opposite in new gens even their debuts. nmixx and babymon is an current gen example of this genre, say compared to ive/illit/newjeans. but still I see a lot more of the big groups in 4th and 5th gen participating in actual lyrics writing and the process than the big groups of 3rd gen. I think after BTS there has been a bit of an expectation to be a music artist not just a k-idol group that wasn't there before.
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I love that she put a disclaimer in the beginning;; it’s interesting that some idols really hate cringy lines 😭
I would be pretty happy to don't need to sing half the song and earn same money ngl
Not entirely how it works, as singing can gain massive amounts of good reputation, which will: 1. Make the company give you a cover, 2. Give you brand-deals and farther exposure, 3. Give your cover more sales, 4. Increase the likelihood another company will debut you after disbandment
Depending on the contract even earnings may differ.
Though I guess with HYBE it really barely matters.. Dancing rules there
why do you think they earn same money when the amount of work and income they bring to the company is different? 😂
@@asdzxc9607 We have essentially no clue, unless some ex-idol reveals it. And even they likely won't be sure of it, as contracts (even in mundane jobs) forbid ever asking other workers for salaries, but from what slips out: It's superbly likely that workers who seemingly deserve same pay will actually get different salaries (because of some detail).
So yeah, I wouldn't be sure either.
Especially since the outside activities might be paid: sponsorship and else
Thank you for this. I get so tired of the endless justice for comments lol. I mean producers are just trying to make a great song, they don't care about line distribution fairness or even positions. They just want it to be a hit, and despite many of these comments, they obviously are doing their jobs. Also, on the flip side, the idols themselves may be very comfortable with the few lines they get and don't want more lol.
I love how she's spewing experiential facts yes to fighting misinformation HAHAHAHA
i feel like she’s referring to nayun since she’s the only member from momoland with little to no lines in every of their songs.
Yall just enjoy the songs ok. All the members work hard in almost all groups. They dc and so should you. Just enjoy the music.
Tbh I kinda get where she's coming from but I think the problem most fans have is when the same members get the least lines everytime or not enough for their positions. Like sure sometime you get a bit more or less line but really most groups follow a similar pattern no matter the producer.
that just means that member can't sing to save their life
@@noname-uj3qo not always lol, look at haseul, one of the best vocalists of loona, getting 0.7s of lines in their debut
@@noname-uj3qo Yuta from NCT is a fuckin phenomenal singer. He's proven it through the short lines he gets, B-sides where he gets more lines and solo songs. He still doesn't get that many lines in title tracks.
@@noname-uj3qo there's also a ton of lines which basically don't need skills (talking, extremely easy singing lines, rap that is basically just a bit faster talking) so skill can't be the only factor (also people already pointed out talented idols not getting any lines aswell)
@@noname-uj3qo daisy stated a reason why members who can sing my be snubbed from lines is because their vocals may not be suited for specific sounding songs? are you gonna say someone like jeongyeon cant sing to "save her life" due to having few lines?
Part distribution is only important to people who need controversy for youtube content.
I think if i was an idol and got less lines I'd also be happy cuz singing while dancing is really hard
She’s so real for this. Not everyone “deserves” more lines because, well, they either don’t suit the vibe of the song or are not strong singers. Unfortunately in Kpop, there a more weak singers than there are stronger singers. Some can’t even call themselves singers at all. People need to stop getting their panties in a twist over line distribution bcs at the end of the day the producers working with the singers know each members’ strengths and weaknesses more than any of us would.
The thing about the sound engineers joining two voices into one makes sooo much sense now. I was always confused how so many artists could not even do the notes that they sang in recording, live. Makes so much sense. Some ppl cant hit those notes, so when theyre live and they attempt it, of course itll sound bad. Its not them and they cant do it.
It's such a common and even easy practice:
- Have OG singer sing the line, and tune the hell out of it.
- Have good singer mimic OG singer's voice, while singing the line properly
- Mix the two together, synchronize it perfectly, and watch magic happen LMAO
I mean she is 100% right. Like I have seen some idols be angry with line distribution but they also are not good singers so why are you mad...learn how to sing and then you will have more lines in a song. I would also be happy to have small amount of lines to sing if I were them, it's less work.
I mean she’s right. I don’t want to mention any member from any group but if they’re given a vocally challenging song then why would you force a member with a below average voice to have the same amount of lines with the main vocalist?
Good point she made about not every person fits on every song.
Kpop fans are insane fr. Your idol wont die if they dont get lines.
there is definitely various opinion on this topic. for ex idol like sakura and shuhua mentioned it themselves that they felt burdened so its better to get less line. however there is also idol that want to get more line but never being given the chance to do so. after all it is a show business, if you want to stay in the light then you need to appeal and get the spotlight or else youll get overshadowed and stand back dimmed in the corner.
i believe there is a case like what daisy said but there is also testimony, i forgot who said it that some member/s are blatantly being pushed up by some higher up people in the company, so whether they actually capable or not it didn't really matter, they will still get more chance either in singing, time screen, or center position even many individual deals. or there is also idol that get mistreated or bullied because offending someone in their company and end up getting so minimal in any group or individual activity, despite their talents and appeal.
When Daisy mentioned the producer having another singer of the group go in to sing another person's part, and the sound engineers fusing the two voices together had me thinking of a certain group that has a member who's really bad at singing, and her fans talking about her voice is a fusion of three other members.
Starts with (G) and ends with idle
Who??
@@valentinachavero2838(G)-idle’s shuhua
@@mishuramim2006No hate to her she improved a lot but how did she get into a group with such talented members😭
@@Goosebeoms_ idk bro,I don’t Stan g-idle😭😭
As someone involved in production, it's such a nightmare working with groups that are more than 5. The main producer sometimes wants the face of the group to sing specific lyrics, sometimes we would record everyone to pick the right voice only then to just mix 2 or 3 vocals together. But don't be discouraged by this cuz not everyone in a group wants to sing, I know someone who just wants to dance and be given a few to little lines in the song.
So basically if you can’t sing, you’re not gonna get many lines …how hard was that for people to understand?
I mean the first hurdle is for fans to accept their faves can't sing. So I'm afraid it's very hard indeed
I'mma save this vid for reference later 😉
honestly i'm passed my phase of caring about line distributions and i totally understand her explanation, nowadays i just like to watch the numbers, bars and the difference between the members. for me, there's something so satisfying about it tbh
and here i thought she's gonna talk about the bell curve or something 😭
I think it's really interesting how some producers will merge two voices together to make it sound like one person is singing a part that they're struggling with, learned something new 😊
Well its different for T-ara cuz they choose the part themselves which they feel the best for each one of them, i saw the documentary they just discuss and cross the written lyrics for them to sing
I know what she said about her rap parts in Momoland's songs, but hearing her talk so honestly about her experiences as a Kpop idol just makes me appreciate more everything Momoland gave us and makes me want to listen to their bops on repeat. xd
For the « mixing part », the first thing I think of is in LADIDA by everglow. During yiren « rap » part in the bridge, I always ear E:U. That might explains
I thought about Winwin from NCT/WayV, Winwin sang the same 2 songs when he was a member of nct 127 and wayv, but in wayv he didn't get any more lines, when wayv became 6 members, the former member's lines were assigned to the other members
I want her to be in the dive studio! That would be so fun
People (fans) think theyre "better" if they have more parts, but honestly for the stars themselves, most of them dont care. Some will even want to avoid the work.
RIGHT THATS WHAT I ALWAYS THOGUHT cuz like if I were in their shoes and I had like only 5 seconds to sing then at live performances I can just put all my effort into those five and not worry abt getting outta breath and dance @ the same time
the fact they fuse two peoples vocals together to make one members part… nuts
I feel like, as a producer, you should consider all members' voices, I get that music producers have some kind of visions for what they want to create though
and of course, having less lines would not be an issue for some, but it would be an issue for others, I know that at least Sooyeong from SNSD talked about that
also, less lines usually lead to less screen time in mv and less center time in performance, and, as a fan, I want to see and hear my favs as well
Yup. The realest comment so far. Again, daisy stated that’s her own opinion about the line distribution part but for some idol who have good skill / part of vocalists ofc they deserve more lines. And just like your statement less line = less screentime. It’s not that hard actually if they really want to make it happen just look at svt. they have the best line distribution on kpop amoung big group (13 members)
Tbf not all kpop songs are made specifically for a group, a lot of them come from purchasing demos that get translated into korean and modified into the final song. The korean producers are still usually the ones assigning lines tho so they can consider how to distribute so that all members get their highlight moment. I do remember other older sm idols talking abt not enough lines like a lot of suju members in the early years bc of how many members there were and partially why they hated kyuhyun getting added after debut cuz they'd get less lines
Tbf i think they would have a say in it, whether they're ok with it or not - some people just don't wanna sing live ig lmao
comment section proves that people would really just hear what they wanted to hear, feign ignorance to the things they dont want to hear, twist words to get the phrases they want to get.
multiple artist have been asked and answered this topic, what more do you want?
if you dont want to listen to their answer why even bother asking?
I actually feel relieved when an idol gets less lines because I think of how frustrating singing a lot of would be in tours and concerts, all that while dancing.
I just wanna know how the duck did we get 3 seasons of Produce 101 SHOWING THE ENTIRETY OF THIS PROCESS and yet here we are in 2024 & this discussion is still a thing????
ATP if you’re still fighting about line distributions you’re a lost cause
Yeah but some people don’t watch reality/survival shows and just listen to groups so I don’t think your comment about the process part is fair.
@@RaRoma-oq3yp yeah I never watched any of the survival shows other than the chinese produce copy since I didn't like the evil editing and idol producer was less stressful lol but a lot of people did watch produce 101 so they don't have an excuse
@@anny8720 ok
Because that’s a produced and edited show that’s far from anything real
It really sucks how in the K-Pop industry, nobody gaf about vocals. Like, why does “this member couldn’t sing this well” or “this member doesn’t suit this genre” even exist? An artist should be well equipped vocally and artistically for their own production and songs. Their songs should be molded towards THEM, not molded towards the TRENDS or their AUDIENCE. It’s crazy how idols are expected to sing from Disney grade songs to like rock metal punk. It’s all about the trends and not the members’ vision for their artistic careers.
Kind of lame to throw a blanket statement about how nobody in kpop gaf about vocals. Because they do.
These are also idol groups, not independent artists who pay their own producers. These idols can do that after they learn everything they can from being part of group and graduate to being an actual artist....like the late Jonghyun, zico, gd, and soyeon.
what's wrong with "this member doesn't suit this genre"?? this is about vocal tone, they can't change that, and how do you "mold" a song to seven or eight different voices??
some members will suit disney songs more, while other will suit the rock ones, and that's okay
@@noname-uj3qo They were saying that if a member doesn't suit the genre, they shouldn't sing the song in the first place and try to find songs better for them. They not saying that everyone should fit every style at all, they were pointing out how companies just picks genres and styles according to the trends and markets, and that the rest is not important, which leads to mediocre interpretations.
@@Raphael-2 That's why I said the members voices are different so how can you find a genre that suits them all? It would be also unfair towards the members to discard a good song just because one of them doesn't fit well
@@noname-uj3qo That's why they should prioritize picking members who are all good at singing so it's easier to find songs and genres that fit all of them (based on what OP is saying). Once the group is made it's too late indeed if they really picked weak singers and what you're saying is true for that situation, so they're talking about the recruiting process before choosing members.
I’m a producer. I kno what live versus recording studio goes ❤
i like how daisy be answering a little bit sarcasm with a face like 😏 haha 😂😂😂
everyone be complaining about their idols not having fair line distribution, then hating on them for singing bad on live performances. they should also consider their idol's decision whether or not to have a lot or fewer lines.