@@BoshNRoll I will second Steve’s comment. I only play paper and don’t have a local Legacy scene. The way you break down deck techs and play patterns can be applied to any format I can think of.
I'm in the same boat, interested mainly in modern and commander, but I watch almost every video bosh uploads. I try apply what I can take from these videos to the formats I play.
I was the Round 3 opponent. Absolutely bonkers deck, and I've been waiting to see the video. Absolutely lost to myself whiffing on the greedy draw 7 in game 1 but that's magic sometimes. good games!
Great video! Also, at 53:10 there was a really weird thing where technically I think it was right to not float mana in response to Saga's trigger cause them reanimating Portal would've given you another chance to make constructs, which is pretty funny given how not floating mana is normally such a classic Saga blunder
33:09 Nettlecyst is actually bigger than construct since it also counts enchantments. It is using a card but it pushes more damage on subsequent turns.
He didn't say "bigger", he said "better". You can cast Nettlecyst whenever you want but you can only make constructs on turn 2 and 3 of Saga. He is weighing up whether or not he wants to develop one of the cards in his hand early at the cost of 1 construct, and he concludes that having the extra construct will be better overall. It is 1 card at the cost of 2 damage with the line he described, since the construct gives the Nettlecyst 1 extra power it would have been missing if the construct wasn't created, and if the construct is dead by that point that is removal that wasn't used to kill the Nettlecyst.
@@thekilla1234 but it isn't clear that it is better. Nettlecyst does more damage, at the time he makes that decision it's only going to be 1 more damage, but later ends up 2. But what does that lost damage wind up meaning, it would take away opponent's line of going Snuff Out on Lodestone Golem then Serenity, get hit by construct to 1 and then wipe our entire board.
After being disheartened by round 1, I skipped to the final thoughts and immediately heard BoshNRoll say "that was a 4-1, we only lost to delver." Time for me to watch the rest of the video!
I think you forgot the 4 Chalice lol, as a vintage shops player, I would love a 4 chalice build! 4 mystic forge is 3 too many, that card never works out for me
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but I feel like I haven't seen Elves in ages. I remember listening to you talk about it being and the great work HelloNewton was doing on Eternal Glory last year. Do you think the EI ban was enough to bring it back? Or like I say, was I just not paying enough attention 😅
BoshNRoll: I don't want to plan for a world where Grislebrand is in play Also BoshNRoll: Literally just won a game where Grislebrand was in play (I know context is everything and the sideboarding choices were correct, but it's still funny to me.)
Here's a possible brew suggestion for Urza's Workshop (not saying it would be good) What about adding in a couple Vesuvas I think the main issue would be the tempo loss of it coming into play tapped, but I feel the power of having 6+ effective copies of Urza's Saga, Urza's Workshop, or Ancient Tomb seems pretty good (plus if your opponent plays a good land, you can have Vesuva copy that land) Like I said, I don't think it would be good, but if we're brewing to get Urza's Workshop going without using Tron, why not use the land that made 12 post a thing?
I think they’re in a healthy place. They have the right deckbuilding restrictions to support them and punish the correct greed from opponents. People who play interaction and a responsible land count will always have a chance.
R4G3 I almost wonder if the correct move is to pass priority without tapping saga for mana. You weren’t super constrained on mana and if they flip portal you can get an extra construct.
That Force on Forge M1G3 was good for 3 cards since they pitched Ponder. Any plan to talk about interactions like that at some point? Or how playing Looting from hand is card negative?
I don't understand the school of thought where you don't board Leyline in against UR Delver, it just invalidates so much of their deck. I was always afraid of Leyline as an UR Delver player in the EI days.
It certainly constricts delver when you randomly have it in your open 7 but at what cost? Are you willing to mulligan down to like 4 to draw the leyline? If you don’t open with it it’s hard to cast and is mostly a dead card slowing down the deck. If you do mulligan down to it, it slows down the delver deck somewhat, but you will also be slowed down a lot because you will be missing the critical mass of cards to get your opals, constructs, and other payoffs going. Incidental graveyard hate might be good against delver, but all in graveyard hate is not great when it doesn’t force an answer before your opponent can even try to win. Delver can still bash you to death with their 3/x creatures while using counter spells and meltdown to collapse your small hand.
@@boccipiles because leyline is such a dead card when you don’t mulligan for it (unless you are playing a black deck that would be okay spending 4 mana for it), if you wouldn’t mulligan for it then it’s probably not worth being in. It’s going to be a mostly dead draw that would have been better as pretty much anything else unless it’s in your opening hand in this deck. Loadstone golem is a better 4 drop against delver and it’s easier to cast.
It’s about opportunity cost. I want to keep 7 and draw gas in the matchup. I’m not going to take even 1 mull looking for Leyline, if there’s 2 in my opener I’m down a card, if I draw one ever after opening hand I’m down a card, it’s just fundamentally not the game the “tax you and kill you quickly” deck is trying to play.
@@boccipiles The main issue with Leyline is that it is a dead card after turn 0. If you aren't putting it in to mull to it you are just making your deck worse for a 40% chance that you see Leyline in your opening hand that sort of slows down Delver but doesn't stop it from playing a slow game with Wasteland, Bolt and Meltdown while they dig through their deck for Brazen Borrower to undo everything you did to get Leyline in play. There is also a 6% chance you get 2+ Leylines as well which is bad because it's basically a mull to 6. So 54% of the time your Leylines weaken your deck and do nothing to your opponent, 6% of the time you start with Leyline but have a 5 card hand and 2 dead draws, and 34% of the time you get what you want with Leyline in play that can just be undone with a 2 mana play from the opponent. Even if you mull only once for it you only have a 64% chance of seeing it and then you are playing a 5 card hand at most. If you aren't boarding in Leyline to actively mulligan for it and win immediately using it you probably shouldn't board it in. Sure, you can sometimes win as a result of Leyline, but you will win a lot more games as a result of just having a good deck and playing it.
deck challenge request: make urza's workshop tap for 2 mana on turn 2, game one have the chance to play workshop turn 2 with metalcraft for the effect and played city of traitors instead. Sadge :'(
It does not attack my opponent for damage or restrict what my opponent can cast. You only get 60 spots for cards. To add something cute, you have to cut something focused.
It plays just like the monolith with all the sol lands but it also can make constructs with urzas saga. Instead of viewing it as cute, view it as mana ramp... Of course I see the other side is you have to have the lands to untap and this deck is trying to kill before you have enough lands to make it a value. Just a thought. *Edit:* after watching the video I still think it's probably worth the try. In place of a voltaic Key (they are doing incredibly similar roles) of course they're at the end. I know you were questioning the mystic forge so maybe in that spot. I don't think you want more than one or two in the deck though.
You get style points for 100% colorless deck. I have a feeling the foundry inspector is too clunky. Maybe it would be better as not a 4 of, or even just cutting the card.
I don't have any desire to play legacy but I thoroughly enjoy listening to you explain your decisions. Good stuff man.
This is among the highest compliments 🙏🏻
@@BoshNRoll I will second Steve’s comment. I only play paper and don’t have a local Legacy scene. The way you break down deck techs and play patterns can be applied to any format I can think of.
I thought I was the only one 😆 I strictly only play limited, but I love bnr
I don’t even play at all and I’ve watched half his videos 😂
I'm in the same boat, interested mainly in modern and commander, but I watch almost every video bosh uploads. I try apply what I can take from these videos to the formats I play.
I was the Round 3 opponent. Absolutely bonkers deck, and I've been waiting to see the video. Absolutely lost to myself whiffing on the greedy draw 7 in game 1 but that's magic sometimes. good games!
GGs!
17:05 that’s all I want from my day.
Hall of Fame clip
“Wait workshop isn’t legacy legal surely this is just MUD”
“Oooh”
We have a shop now too 😈
Great video! Also, at 53:10 there was a really weird thing where technically I think it was right to not float mana in response to Saga's trigger cause them reanimating Portal would've given you another chance to make constructs, which is pretty funny given how not floating mana is normally such a classic Saga blunder
I live for Urza's Workshop. What a banger of a card when you can have up to 24 Urza lands, or just 2 copies going insane early on.
I was hoping to see some tangle wire. But that’s just for my own guilty pleasure haha.
I always really enjoy watching how a top tier deck from one format works in a different format
33:09 Nettlecyst is actually bigger than construct since it also counts enchantments. It is using a card but it pushes more damage on subsequent turns.
He didn't say "bigger", he said "better". You can cast Nettlecyst whenever you want but you can only make constructs on turn 2 and 3 of Saga. He is weighing up whether or not he wants to develop one of the cards in his hand early at the cost of 1 construct, and he concludes that having the extra construct will be better overall. It is 1 card at the cost of 2 damage with the line he described, since the construct gives the Nettlecyst 1 extra power it would have been missing if the construct wasn't created, and if the construct is dead by that point that is removal that wasn't used to kill the Nettlecyst.
@@thekilla1234 but it isn't clear that it is better. Nettlecyst does more damage, at the time he makes that decision it's only going to be 1 more damage, but later ends up 2. But what does that lost damage wind up meaning, it would take away opponent's line of going Snuff Out on Lodestone Golem then Serenity, get hit by construct to 1 and then wipe our entire board.
The Ancient Tomb topdeck into evil fucking cackle LOLOLOLL
32:40
The silent “oh my god” before losing your mind was so good. I laughed out loud hahaha
I really like the idea of urza’s workshop functioning as a cloudpost that doesn’t enter tapped. That’s wild 😮
If you haven’t watched my Legacy prison tron league, Workshop really gets to shine there.
@@BoshNRoll I think I have watched it? I’ll have to double check!
i really enjoy your content every time i get the chance to tune in. Keep up the good commentary and your detailed views on the lagzy format!
This was a sick league. I hope we keep going fast in the future 😎😎😎
I want to see more of this deck!
After being disheartened by round 1, I skipped to the final thoughts and immediately heard BoshNRoll say "that was a 4-1, we only lost to delver." Time for me to watch the rest of the video!
These names are on point
I miss the days of these kinds of artifact decks playing Metalworker
Instant like for the song reference! Keep up the good work. Thanks for entertaining and teaching us in mtg!
The R4 match was SICK
I’m watching it right now and am on the edge of my seat.
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I think you forgot the 4 Chalice lol, as a vintage shops player, I would love a 4 chalice build! 4 mystic forge is 3 too many, that card never works out for me
You can play Monolith and Keys or Chalice, I thought shoving up to lodestone was more fun for this
This was a fun deck, glad it worked out well and wasn't like the recent Cavern draws. Seems like there may be something here, or pretty close to this.
I think the second highest quality part of this channel is the titles
17:00 MTGO Gold confirmed
In round 4, was it viable to get manifold key instead of to give your construct unblockable for the kill?
I'm like halfway through the video and was wondering what shops deck this was, then i realised you were playing legacy hahaha
Diet Shops
Brian was just suuuuper unlucky to never draw Mishra's Workshop
Ya freaking love to see reanimator missing baby!!!
Nemesis defeated in the final round. Clearly this must be close to tier 1 material on that fact alone.
I’d be interested to see if Wasteland could make its way into the deck, as either a spell or a land. 🤔
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but I feel like I haven't seen Elves in ages. I remember listening to you talk about it being and the great work HelloNewton was doing on Eternal Glory last year. Do you think the EI ban was enough to bring it back? Or like I say, was I just not paying enough attention 😅
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All. Ways. Had. It
BoshNRoll: I don't want to plan for a world where Grislebrand is in play
Also BoshNRoll: Literally just won a game where Grislebrand was in play
(I know context is everything and the sideboarding choices were correct, but it's still funny to me.)
I didn’t win that game so much as my opponent lost it 😅
I think this technically could be a Umori deck too
Came here to say this, glad I'm not the only one who wanted to jam Umori
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Here's a possible brew suggestion for Urza's Workshop (not saying it would be good)
What about adding in a couple Vesuvas
I think the main issue would be the tempo loss of it coming into play tapped, but I feel the power of having 6+ effective copies of Urza's Saga, Urza's Workshop, or Ancient Tomb seems pretty good (plus if your opponent plays a good land, you can have Vesuva copy that land)
Like I said, I don't think it would be good, but if we're brewing to get Urza's Workshop going without using Tron, why not use the land that made 12 post a thing?
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people keep saying predict is a thing but I don't think I can recall one time in your last several months of videos that it has come up
This week’s episode of Eternal Glory we talk extensively about how Predict is not actually a thing
Liked just because you made your cards match.
55:40 had me yelling at the screen. Key is lethal with artifacts in hand. Still won so it all works out
looool it's true
Would you consider sphere effects a healthy part of a legacy meta? Should chalice/trinisphere/resistance be something decks need to build for?
I think they’re in a healthy place. They have the right deckbuilding restrictions to support them and punish the correct greed from opponents. People who play interaction and a responsible land count will always have a chance.
Nice!!!
R4G3 I almost wonder if the correct move is to pass priority without tapping saga for mana. You weren’t super constrained on mana and if they flip portal you can get an extra construct.
I remember having that thought and not bearing it out either out loud or in play. It's a cool unintuitive line that flexes the game rules.
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I see a lot of two mana on turn one, but no Chalice. Is there a reason to prioritize the key mana-jump over locking out one-drops for your opponents?
Lodestone Golem costs 4 and is how we’re locking out opponents here
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That Force on Forge M1G3 was good for 3 cards since they pitched Ponder. Any plan to talk about interactions like that at some point? Or how playing Looting from hand is card negative?
Ponder isn't card advantage, it's just selection. So Force+Pounder for Mystic Forge is good for 2 cards
honestly, Urza's Shop is pretty pegged up
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Seems like you should have 1 crucible of worlds in the maindeck to rebuy saga from GY. Not a artifact player but seems like good value.
I love artifacts and affinity decks, but I can admit urza’s saga is probably too good.
I don't understand the school of thought where you don't board Leyline in against UR Delver, it just invalidates so much of their deck. I was always afraid of Leyline as an UR Delver player in the EI days.
It certainly constricts delver when you randomly have it in your open 7 but at what cost? Are you willing to mulligan down to like 4 to draw the leyline? If you don’t open with it it’s hard to cast and is mostly a dead card slowing down the deck. If you do mulligan down to it, it slows down the delver deck somewhat, but you will also be slowed down a lot because you will be missing the critical mass of cards to get your opals, constructs, and other payoffs going. Incidental graveyard hate might be good against delver, but all in graveyard hate is not great when it doesn’t force an answer before your opponent can even try to win. Delver can still bash you to death with their 3/x creatures while using counter spells and meltdown to collapse your small hand.
@@GeoQuag Well I definitely wouldn't mull to 4 like we're playing against Oops or Reanimator.
@@boccipiles because leyline is such a dead card when you don’t mulligan for it (unless you are playing a black deck that would be okay spending 4 mana for it), if you wouldn’t mulligan for it then it’s probably not worth being in. It’s going to be a mostly dead draw that would have been better as pretty much anything else unless it’s in your opening hand in this deck. Loadstone golem is a better 4 drop against delver and it’s easier to cast.
It’s about opportunity cost. I want to keep 7 and draw gas in the matchup. I’m not going to take even 1 mull looking for Leyline, if there’s 2 in my opener I’m down a card, if I draw one ever after opening hand I’m down a card, it’s just fundamentally not the game the “tax you and kill you quickly” deck is trying to play.
@@boccipiles The main issue with Leyline is that it is a dead card after turn 0. If you aren't putting it in to mull to it you are just making your deck worse for a 40% chance that you see Leyline in your opening hand that sort of slows down Delver but doesn't stop it from playing a slow game with Wasteland, Bolt and Meltdown while they dig through their deck for Brazen Borrower to undo everything you did to get Leyline in play. There is also a 6% chance you get 2+ Leylines as well which is bad because it's basically a mull to 6.
So 54% of the time your Leylines weaken your deck and do nothing to your opponent, 6% of the time you start with Leyline but have a 5 card hand and 2 dead draws, and 34% of the time you get what you want with Leyline in play that can just be undone with a 2 mana play from the opponent. Even if you mull only once for it you only have a 64% chance of seeing it and then you are playing a 5 card hand at most. If you aren't boarding in Leyline to actively mulligan for it and win immediately using it you probably shouldn't board it in.
Sure, you can sometimes win as a result of Leyline, but you will win a lot more games as a result of just having a good deck and playing it.
Excited to see this weird no brainstorm deck go 5-0!
deck challenge request: make urza's workshop tap for 2 mana on turn 2, game one have the chance to play workshop turn 2 with metalcraft for the effect and played city of traitors instead. Sadge :'(
Workshop only tapped for 1 in that spot.
@@BoshNRoll ohhhhh oops. I thought it just tapped for 2 if you had metal craft, not for each urza lamd Read it for real now. :|
Haven't watched all of the content yet, just the intro... Why no candelabra? It seems strong with the urza lands
It does not attack my opponent for damage or restrict what my opponent can cast. You only get 60 spots for cards. To add something cute, you have to cut something focused.
It plays just like the monolith with all the sol lands but it also can make constructs with urzas saga. Instead of viewing it as cute, view it as mana ramp... Of course I see the other side is you have to have the lands to untap and this deck is trying to kill before you have enough lands to make it a value. Just a thought.
*Edit:* after watching the video I still think it's probably worth the try. In place of a voltaic Key (they are doing incredibly similar roles) of course they're at the end. I know you were questioning the mystic forge so maybe in that spot. I don't think you want more than one or two in the deck though.
But why arent you playing Chalice of the Void? Vintage Shops wishes they can play 4x Chalice
This deck was leveraging sphere effects instead. Doesn't matter if spells are countered if they can't be cast.
@@BoshNRoll thanks for the reply, I didn't expect you to answer amidst all the other comments 😃
Ive been playing since revised I never knew Meltdown was a magic card. I'm sad it is a 9 dollar card
It's very good at its job.
Deck just needs Time Vault to be unbanned and it could be top tier.
Think this deck could use cavern of souls
the number of times you call your shot off the top is ridiculous!
I pay for MTGO premium
not big fan of key/monolith. making this comment before you play. Do your thing and show me how I am wrong.
You get Umori for free but I doubt you want it
It's not free if it eats my sideboard slot. Def never casting it.
@@BoshNRoll yeah I totally agree and also it doesn't work with Karn
You get style points for 100% colorless deck.
I have a feeling the foundry inspector is too clunky. Maybe it would be better as not a 4 of, or even just cutting the card.