It’s game 3 of a new season. We’ve won 1 and lost 2. We lost to Liverpool who is better than us and lost to Brighton who are a good team. You can argue that we should’ve gotten more out of that Brighton game but we are exactly where we should be after 3 games. Stop whining
@@milz97y What do you mean Liverpool is better than us. What sort of crap is that? Slot just took over a team that is made up of players he inherited. ETH has been here for year 3, and has been given $600MM. This is NOT acceptable. We expect United to compete against Liverpool at Old Trafford.
Yeah been like that for a year now. Ronnie has been pointing out our problems consistently. Joe refuses to see it. Ste too. I don't get it. Maybe they just don't like being wrong when Ronnie is right?
Maybe they want to keep doors open for media access with the current staff so avoid all criticism? They cannot be this blind to what is going on… I expect there are ulterior motives.
Well... Last season everybody hinged it on Martinez. "Oh, it's not ten Hag's fault. How can he play his style without Martinez" "when Martinez returns, everything will be ok" blah blah blah.
@@StanKPhlaps yeah there’s a lot more problems I’m completely ten haag out I think we could potentially be worse than last year but I really don’t how ppl think it’s just magically gonna click
@@Davemac189 to me, it can be easily fixed. Football doesn't need to be complicated. Instruct the players not to rush everything. Teach them how to keep possession and control the game. There's more than enough talent in our midfield to not play like we do. But ten hag seems like he wants to prove his way was right last season but it was only because players were injured that we couldn't play that way.
Exactly. Ugarte is not even a passer or goal scoring midfielder. He doesnt even create changes. United is done for. Since ETH took over the team, goal scoring has been a serious problem. This hasn't been sorted out, and with Sancho, Martial and Greenwood gone, United is in serious TROUBLE
Ronaldo right on it. ETH style requires a team that doesn’t make any mistakes, every pass is perfect and everyone plays at a high intensity. At times we can do that (FA cup final) but the team is not fully equipped to play to this standard and if we fall short and all of these we get hammered! It’s down to the whole football department to decide if we need to play more conservatively papering over the cracks but might get top 4. Or continue to attempt to play a high standard that could challenge but could also end in tears.
Bang on thank you fully agree for anyone who is from the Manchester area or close knows what this game means these lads have lost it ten hag is wank and won’t improve us
@@leemccccccc999 I agree to an extent but some of these personal performances are just as questionable. What the fuck is Rashford on. He doesn’t deserve to be here when we do get a new manager
Ok, so dont compare united to spurs, compare them to villa. Emery joined villa 6 months after ten hag joined united and villa were hovering above the relegation zone. He started with a much worse squad and spent less money. So please explain how he was able to take them into europe within 4 months, then followed it up with a top 4 finish and champions league the following season. They play exciting, attacking and effective football with a distinctive style. Meanwhile, we slipped from 3rd to 8th, finished with a negative goal difference, worse ever champions league campaign. You said ten hag inherited a terrible squad, but ole managed 2 top 3 finishes with them. Fuckin sick and tired of bullshit excuses. OUR TACTICS ARE AWFUL AND EVERYONE BUT TEN HAG CAN SEE IT!!!!
Because egos at Utd are much bigger and pressure is more. Every manager we've had for the last decade had buckled under the expectations and players not performing any kind of tactics. Emery will fail as well. He can't do it Arsenal, he'd bottle it at Utd as well. Whether ETH stays or not, the next manager is fcuked as long as the old players are there
@@MrGts92 mate, that's a fuckin tired excuse. It's not the bloody players!!! Ten hag has made 21 signings since he took charge. He's spent £600m. He's had a few gems come through the academy. He's had more control over the running of the club than any previous manager since fergie. There's no excuse to be sliding down the table. The players that are still there from before ten hag all performed better before he arrived. As I said, 2 x top 3 finishes under Ole. Then 3rd under ten hag, so 3 x top 3 finishes in four seasons. Why the hell are we going backwards!?
@@StanKPhlapsI don’t like ETH style of play don’t like his tactics can’t stand this midfield. It can’t be the players cuz even Ole got a better tune from a worse squad.
Joe is being a hypocrite here. You can't say the issue is the players are injured etc we can't use that excuse anymore . Secondly on the back of last season we had a the better of Liverpool we should of gone in with more confidence that comes from the manager. You can't say slot has a fully developed squad yet a week ago say that Liverpool will have a shit season
@@YuhnahmeanFearon Injuries🤣🤣🤣🤣, these lot are deluded except Ronaldo. So Luke Shaw would make us title challengers if he were there because he is the only first team player out? What a load of bullshit. I'm getting sick of this lot being so deluded
Im sorry but you are stupid if you don’t see the merit in that statement. Yes Shaw being injured does matter because if he was fit and available he would’ve played. Also hojlund for sure would’ve started in a game like this. And most importantly casemiro who made the biggest mistakes in the game would’ve been replaced by ugarte if we had faced Liverpool at a later point in the season. All big reasons why the same problems we had last season resurfaced against Liverpool. But if you use your brain you’d know that we also have fixes for those that will arrive within a few weeks, ie ugarte hojlund and Shaw all back in starting 11
@@cameronjones8641 exactly they need to stop backing these players they shit .trashford never gets a bad word he deserves from.these lot . We are the problem if we keep giving likes of rashford passes and not moving them on
@@cameronjones8641my brother's are both United fans and were as deluded as these lads years ago. I just assume it's a fan trait at this point. I have a neighbour who is Ten Hag out, unless that means Southgate. That way, he'll give up his season ticket. That's the most sensible comment I've heard in years from a Manc fan.
Going into third year, north of half a billion, getting embarrassed every other week, and you guys still propping up this joke of a manager. Joke thing
These people are dumb. Eth has been here for this is 3rd season. What has he change, what area on the pitch has he build and we are solid for that position?
Eth is NOT good manager. Not!!! One semi final in a CL, which he DID NOT improved on or be consistent with the next season. Getting knock out of the group stage, and lost to Getafe in the playoff for Europa league
When did fulham and brighton and everton become tricky? Why aren't these teams tricky against City and Pool? Why does United look like the underdog against every team we play, no matter who. Vs Newport, vs Shef Utd, Luton, Burnley. And i bet u we will look terrible playing against Ipswich.
As is giving mount the 7. As is signing Antony. As is pretty much everything the guy has done. It's the sad truth. Now we're hinging an entire season on a new CDM. It's crazy.
@galazore Not to mention a CDM who was deemed not good rnough by his last manager because he can't do the one thing we need ... progress the ball. If you put him in the exact same scenarios that Casemiro was in against Liverpool then you get the same result. He isn't the guy that people want him to be and he is destined for failure with these expectations.
@@alexmetcalfe7419 De Gea was still light years ahead of Onano and would have saved many goals that Onana conceded last season in the Prem and the Champions League. Also De Gea's loss of confidence could arguably have been caused by the shambolic defense he had in front of him. Let's not forget that De Gea won player of the season numerous times and is in my opinion a United legend.
Ronny should apply for tactic analysis position at United... I believe they would benefit from it highly. Really appreciate your view of the game Ronny, keep it up.
Carragher is spot on , Ten Haag is tactically inept , you can't play Casimiero in a 2 in midfield, our best result in last 2 years was beating City in the Cup Final, no Casimiero and 3 in there , Mainoo, McTominay and Amrabat , work rate and legs that was the template, under Ten Haag we will NEVER challenge.
@@chikku807 I'd play Martinez as the holder with,Mainoo and Bruno in a narrow three , De Ligt and Maguire centre backs , only till Ugarte is fit . We need to be more solid , our record against the top clubs in the Prem is dreadful. When everyone is fit I'd play... Onana , Dalot, Shaw,Yoro,DeLigt Martinez,Mainoo,Ugarte Bruno, Hjolund, Garnacho
@@alanclarke2510 with all due respect, playing martinez in midfield is such an out-there decision and not realistic at all. Plus if that went wrong then fans would probably quite literally be calling for his head for deciding to play him in midfield. I still believe this was the most pragmatic decision that he could’ve made. Even starting collyer was riskier because if the reason i said. People would be calling him a fool for starting him instead of veteran casemiro
@@chikku807not allowing Bruno to be effectively a 2nd striker look at his heat map, Bruno is the issue to the midfield space even with Ugarte having more legs isn't going to fix the issue, there's a reason you looked better with Mount in the midfield with Bruno up top for the cup final
Other managers have consistently proven to be far superior in the tactical department. Ten Hag's inability to match their strategic acumen raises serious concerns about his suitability for the Manchester United job.
@@besratg9207Really? It seems like there’s been a lot of mixed opinions. I guess I didn’t get the memo that everyone was calling him a genius. What sources were you referring to?
I mean our im not sure how it’s ten hags fault when our players are making basic mistakes, Zirkzee missing sitters, our players just leaving mainoo to get dispossessed instead of providing options, Casemiro misplacing basic passes and not scanning. I don’t understand how this is ten hags fault
@@Borisr-cg7kb Fair point about the missed chances, but it's worth noting that Ten Hag has already spent nearly half a billion on players. With that kind of investment, expectations for tactical and strategic success are understandably high.
@@besratg9207exactly what I'm saying. Let's give ten Hag a few more games and he has to slot Ugarte in (who's valuable to this system) but also adjust the system in attack and not make our midfield easy to cut through. Yesterday what I watched in that game made me so irked man. What was that?
You guys are way too soft on ten hag. We still have no consistent way of playing. Joe liked to beat away the ange debate from last season 'still finished outside the top 4' yeh they did... Because the squad isnt a top 4 squad!! I just think its mental that after emery comes in to villa you see what theyre about, ange comes in and oh what a shock you see what theyre about. Meanwhile ten hag comes in, decides to buy a boat load of players that he has fucking coached already and still cant get a team to perform consistently. The guy is lost in the league and I think its his time to go
The issue with oNana is hes not sweeping - thts wht is supposed to do to make up for his shit keeping. This is on 10 and his tactics. As is the dognut.
Not about comparing Slot and ETH!! Bottom line is ETH has now spent £616m on 13 players he wanted so the argument of it’s not his team is nonsense. Still no improvement in 2 years same old Utd
It’s easy to see most of us can see this, apart from the coach, play Bruno as a forward behind Hojland and play with a extra midfielder you can then use the full backs for the width.
I'm 54, following Utd for 46 years since 8 years of age. Bar the last 5 years, we've virtually had the better of Liverpool in the league head to heads and the Cups. We are now continuously getting battered by them heavily every 2nd season. They've done us 4-0, 0-5, 7-0, 0-3 on a few occasions. It needs to fkn stop from today. Ten Hag has to go. Clueless.
@@ianbailey4343he said every 2nd season bro, when did United turn them over? One of those wins was extra time in the cup not 90 mins the other was 2-1 Liverpool were 7-0 and 3-0 so even with extra time that's -8 GD during that period, if we add the previous season in that adds a 4-0 and 5-0 loss too! Last 10 PL games Uniter 1 win Liverpool 6 wins 3 draws Goals Liverpool 28 Man u 6
@@ianbailey4343 we've yet to beat them convincingly in the last 8 or 9 years , they've given us some severe doings. As painful as it is, thats a fact not getting in the way.
This holier than thou attitude of never asking for the manager to go because you want to be seen as a “proper” fan is the reason why we’ve suffered the disastrous year we have. The overwhelming evidence now is damming against Ten Hag but these lot will find whatever excuse to give him more time as if that’s gunna make any difference now
Because these fellas thought Slot is as bad as Ten Hag and would make Liverpool worse. Whereas he is a great manager, just like Klopp was and he seems to be very aware of what is happening in the League. It seems to me that Ten Hag isn't well-prepared and versed in what other teams are doing.
@@anthonyguiness9keep dreaming. Our players have a winning mentality and culture. How many times people have written off Liverpool and never learn. Saw it in 2021 after we had the most injury ravaged season ever seen in football history and still finished 4th. The season after we were two wins short of a quadruple. 22-23 was the hangover of that Herculean effort as our aging midfield completely lost their legs. Again written off and again bounced back last season. Now written off after Klopp left and tbc…
The tactics are stupid when your dm is Casemiro. You have to know your own players. Ten Hag's core philosophy is wrong. Casemiro is playing how he is coached to play. Casemiro didnt play like this at Madrid.
@@StanKPhlaps because he can't see beyond his red glasses. The point Carragher was making was how United went looking for a new manager instead of supporting ETH at the time. When they found nobody better they supported him. It's a bit embarassing from the management of United and ETH knows exactly where he stands in their eyes....AKA, not good enough for them.
For me it's a horrible cocktail of problems: 1. A lack of flexibility and pragmatism from Ten Hag. If pushing our full backs incredibly high isn't generating goals, but IS leaving our CMs and CBs constantly vulnerable, then why does ETH persist with it? It's high risk for very little reward. 2. As discussed, Casemiro isn't a DLP, while also lacking the athleticism to cover all the space left by these tactics. If this Man Utd team were a machine, Casemiro would be a worn out cog, that's also been fitted into the wrong area. A compounding of problems. 3. For such a high-risk tactic, our attackers are horribly inefficient. If we're not consistently generating high XG chances, then attacking with 6 players is pointless. We're just inviting turn-overs and overloads against our defence. Also, from an injury perspective, turning every match into a basketball game is both physically and mentally shattering for the players. 4. Too many players forward, too few passing options. If half of our team are being told to run forward into space - in service of a vertical passing style - then we're also massively limiting passing options in the build up. I don't believe you can control games with fast, transitional football. Especially not with our attackers, who aren't clinical goal contributors. In summary, it's early enough in the season for Ten Hag to swallow his pride and pursue a tactical rethink. Combine that with getting his best team on the pitch, and I think we'll see big improvements.
@@senoalamsyah7481 he doesn't play deep anyway. He's just a central midfielder. Don't know why everyone thinks we have so many different roles in our midfield. He does the exact same job as mainoo. They play alongside each other. God knows why people use so many role titles.
Ronnie is great to listen to. Makes great points and explains them in detail, underatands the game well and pulls the others on when they are talking bollocks. Needs his own show on this channel
It’s taken me a few years but I’ve finally come to the conclusion that ETH is garbo! It takes about 15 seconds of him speaking to put me to sleep. Ineos should have made a change in the summer. I guarantee they’re already regretting it
Its funny how Ten Hag has bought or tried to buy his entire old Ajax team, but the one player he didnt try to re-sign (Gravenberch) has just absolutely bossed it at Old Trafford 😂
One key problem with ETH is that he doesn’t show respect to opposition teams, he does not analyse the opponents to come up with solutions to diminish their effect on the game and along with that he definitely does not do enough on his own tactical game to make it difficult for the opposition either so, simply put he’s such a knob!
If we try to be radical and look at it logically Carragher is the best pundit especially for honest analysis of the fundamentals and this includes United where is is generally bang on . Neville is nice guy whose desire to be liked undermines a lot of his good work, especially re: United
Bollox. Hes only saying it because it would get the most poke out of Utd. He's only there to stir the pot. Utter hypocrite whenever it's Liverpool. He never went into Hodgson or Rodgers this hard.
@@MrGts92 So why does it matter if Carragher wasn't bashing these managers at Liverpool, when they were absolute clowns at their jobs? Are you implying that Neville should or shouldn't bash Ten Hag in any circumstances?
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 because Carragher isn't there to give analysis, he's always a provocateur when it comes to Utd. His motive isn't at all football based. in those same situations, he didn't go into Rodgers or Hodgson and try to blame the owners... ironically, and literally spits his dummy out when he can't take it back. That's my point. If it was purely based on football, it wouldn't matter. But this guy likes to provoke and give it large, under the guise of a pundit.
Only 1 rational person in this panel. I will never click this channel again these guys are just men with equipment to make videos and we need to understand that most of them don’t have no clue about the game, but I can see Ronny Struggling to get simple logic across that anyone with football knowledge should know and the other 2 guys try to debate it wow
We're the worst coached side in the league. Even when we win a game over the last 12 months we're going life and death with the likes of Sheffield United and Luton. It is Ten Hags set up that is the problem. He has to be got rid of.
Putting Ugarte in instead of Casimero won't change anything. We still will have the same problem unless Ten Hag changes the midfield when we build up. The profile of Midfielders who he is using when we build up is completely wrong. Ugarte and Casemiro are the profile. If he wants to build up in this way we should have brought Zubimendi or Frenkie de Jong and someone like Lobotka.
Emery with a whole new managerial and backroom staff for the players to get used to changed villa within one game when he took over from Steven Gerrard...
Ifffff Klopp has been losong??? If? But he wasn't losing like this loke ETH so irrelevant point. Not all managers that lose are being deluded. Ole wasn't deluded.
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the online narrative that chose to defend this mediocrity is being paid to do so or they just want the downfall of the club(secret agent)
Pivotal players aren't good enough. Casemiro, Bruno,.and Rashford aren't good enough. Garnacho isn't a starter. These issues need solving.Talent doesn't win games.
Talent DOES win games if the team is well coached. If the team is not well coached, talented players look bad and lead to people like you blaming them instead of the coach.
What you chatting talent does win games look at Real Madrid... hard work, dedication, football iq, mental toughness, etc. are all talents the average fan doesn't factor into "talent" ravel Morrison was never the most talented guy I the academy because he was missing the mental side of life, doing every Ronaldinho trick doesn't make you an 11 a side monster either
Good points by both Ronnie (minute 6) and Joe. I think ETH said last season that he isn't going to compromise anymore(got rid of DeGea). By playing Case at CDM and playing the same way its make or break for him. Case doesn't like and and has said so and ETH wanted to keep Amrabat and get Ugarte in. Casemiro's days are numbered IMO. At its best we can win cup comps but maybe with the exact right players ETH can win the league?
We are outworked all the time, can’t deal with the press, are easy to play through and can’t score goals, Play five across the middle, at least make us hard to break down
We got no goal scorers Hojlund injured and not good enough trashford is trash and garnacho only half threatening one but not prolific and fuc knows why we bought zirkzee hes not a striker apparently we need tony or osiman or i dunno that goal machine that plays for Marseille mason green somthing
There's something wrong with Gary Neville. Carragher wasn't even talking about anyone other than ETH. He wasn't trying to compare anyone or anything. All Carragher said was that the United upper management went looking for another manager which shows they didn't have complete faith in ETH....that's TRUE ! If they had talked to lets say Nageslman (assuming he was not in a job) for example they would quite likely have hired him and sacked ETH. Neville then tries to compare it to how Liverpool had six months to find a new manager....they did but only because their current manager had told them he was leaving. Liverpool were at no time tryng to improve on Klopp while Klopp was still manager. WTF does Neville not understand here ? GGMU.
Ugarte could go on to be a very exceptional signing but due to the nature of pressure on him, it won’t seem that way. Fans are going to be expecting him to do EVERYTHING right, and even if he somehow falls short of that he’s going to be lynched for it. Hasn’t even played a minute yet but everyone’s hinging our season on him. Dumb.
Can anybody explain to me where Bruno Fernandez plays? On his day he’s decent, but I actually think he’s a major problem with his headless chicken performances
@@Sean-wu8qflol these lot love a bit of attention - “they don’t say it like it is!” Because they’re not weeping and agreeing with them. It’s petulant. Like what are you even doing here 😂😂 There’s a guy called Staffy who weeps whether we win or lose. They should all go there and circle jerk in their dark cloud
No, some people aren't blinded by anger like you. It's pretty bad for ten hag but not as bad as many people make it out to be. There were big signs of improvement in Fulham and Brighton's game. Really, to scream eth out after 3 games is funny. Wait at least 10/15 games instead acting like a child.
@@Qba888888 spot on! People expected 8th to a title charge instantly. 2 loses in 3 games is an awful start but we’re in a new INEOS process that can hopefully get things in place for success!
Everyone’s option is based on assumptions; nobody outside the squad and coaching staff will truly know what’s going on. What I would say is, if you feel the Glazers were contributing to the downfall of the club and the club was managed poorly from top to bottom, then you have to take the view that with Ineos, assuming they’ve made the correct changes, this is the manager’s first season where he’s come close to receding what he asked for and therefore, he needs a few months before he’s fully judged. Now, if you feel that the club ownership has had no impact on the football side of things, then obviously you’ll feel differently about the manager.
21:17 another problem is fans like this wanting hipster managers in charge without having done anything before. Dismissing a champions league winning manager in Tuchel for Ruben Amorim? 🤣 are we serious? This fanbase is finished.
Outside of a champions league, he's really not done much to be far, French league with PSG and just about scraping a Bundesliga with Bayern because Dortmund threw it away on the last day then following it up by being the first manager to not win it with bayern in 12 years....
@@StandardsFC won the Portuguese league with the 3rd biggest team, not saying he is the answer but Tuchel isn't what people say he is, outside of a cup run (Di Matteo did the same thing at Chelsea) he has underperformed with the biggest team by far in both Germany and France
@MrGts92 na ETH won the Dutch league with the biggest budget and best youth academy. Slot won the league with the 3rd biggest team, Amorim would be a similar pick. I'm not saying he's the guy, just saying Tuchel doesn't have a track record of success when you dig into his history
People talk a lot about standards. Standards have dropped, you can't keep using United's past glory to berate the current first team and manager. We finished 8th last season with a GD of -1, why did everyone think we were going to suddenly be Top 4 challengers? A no. 6 isn't going to suddenly propel us into a competitive position in this league. I think it is natural to be concerened after 3 years when we're still looking at performances like that but we've also only had one window with INEOS in charge and the signings are already better. I actually think patience is required, but I do expect the manager to be sacked and us have to go through another new manager cycle. This will not help the club either - Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag. Embarrasing.
Thats because most youtube viewers weren't even born when Fergie was about to be sacked. They assume that we are supposed to be top four every year. There is no divine right for this, look at Liverpool in the 80's and then look where they were after 1992....they were unbeatable in the 80's (pretty much) and then a laughing stock in the 90's. Sounds familiar eh ?
@@Mandinka711Liverpool win the league in 1990 won an fa cup in 92 league cup in 95 lost an fa cup final to United in 96 that Roy Evan’s team was brilliant just not as solid as United or arsenal later on United never had it easy against Liverpool in the nineties whereas now United take an embarrassing pasting most times we play ye, as good as United was back in the day you never embarrassed us !!
@@Mandinka711 no I won’t!! I can comment on whatever I like and I didn’t miss any point just stating that Liverpool wasn’t a laughing stock like you are now United never ever tonked us but youse take a pasting every time haha coz youse are shite now hahahaga
I could listen to Mr. Ronaldo Brown speak about football all day. His takes have always been good but he has really developed his articulation of his thoughts so well.
Something that worries me with Ten Hag are his substitutions and instructions. Brought home when Zirkzee came on 2nd half in the Fulham game. Zirkzee was actually asking his team mates where to stand when Utd got a corner in front of the Stretford End. WTF? Let’s also address Rashford- two crosses in the Liverpool game does not make a good performance. He was lazy, not pressing properly off the ball in attack - to the extent that Zirkzee noticed and strayed out of position over to the left to cover for him, and was seen jogging back when Liverpool were attacking. Bench him NOW.
This is the best discussion about these problems I've watched. Good work lads. What were seeing is Ten Hags way of playing and it's just not working, and he seems too stubborn to now try and stop any of the re-occuring problems. And that infact he's now hanging players out to dry with his directions and tactics (leaving casimero on his own, and telling him to go long). I feel like every game I've watched I've screamed as Casimero has played a ball out like he did Sunday, he just really caught out
😢No lie, I enjoyed Louis Van Gaal's press conferences.. His attacks to the media, his antics, getting drunk at the club end of year, his passion for youth... He was brilliant! Sad it ended cause Jose came but he was class. 😂😅🙏🏾
The point about Slot inheriting a good side that finished third and Ten Hag inheriting a poor side that finished 7th, is totally irrelevant when considering what Carragher said. Carragher wasn’t talking about how good or bad United are under Ten Hag. He’s pointing out that Ten Hag is in his third season & still, nobody knows what United’s football style or identity is. Whereas Slot’s style of play is clear after three games. THAT is the point Carragher was making and he’s right.
Not sure why Ten Haag fans find it so hard to address how Ten Haag has failed to impress his style on United as much as other managers do. Ange did it with Spurs with a poor squad he inherited which sold Kane. Slot has done it with no new signings in the first XI. You can hide behind injuries, the glazers or whatever all you like but imposing a style of play is a core principle for a manager/coach, regardless of players. Buying more players just enables the style to yield more successful results, it should still be evident on the eye however which with ETH,it isnt
You know what, this fella joe smith is so soothing to listen to. Level headed, calm and a legit manutd fan through n through. We need more joe's and more people listening to joe.
This idea that EtH has a gung-ho style is mad to me. His favoured tactic is noticeably "one-sided attack, opposite side covers in transition" - simple. Rashford got all his goals because Antony was so good at forcing teams to defend lopsided and we very quickly switched to Rashford who had his ideal situation: 1 on 1 and the defender is on the back foot (also why Garnacho looked so good that season). The problem has been that Antony didn't provide enough threat himself when we started down Rashford's flank, and Rashford doesn't transition properly when it is lost on the right flank. Things have changed, somewhat, in that we now have the spine to build through the middle so we are developing a 3 pronged attack instead of the present single pronged attack. HOWEVER, players are adapting slowly so we are seeing horrific shit repeatedly. That's all. It's not gung-ho, it's patient, but players being slow on uptake is causing massive blunders that are just growing pains
If ETH doesn’t play Casemiro, fans will complain we have a 300k player sat on the bench in place of Collyer/Eriksen. If he plays Casemiro and sets up more defensively, fans will complain the style of play is negative and too defensive. The manager hasn’t been good enough, there are loads of problems and I’m sick of him calling on the ‘trophies’ excuse - but in fairness how can he win with the fan base? Liverpool have a FAR better squad, built over years and years with Klopp. 60 mins into the game, Gakpo and Nunez are warming up and we turn to the bench to see Antony and a couple of academy players.
It's getting harder to watch this show by the year, which is why I only bother after a major loss, really. (So about 10 times a season right now). The delusion and pettyness is insane. Take Joe, bringing up Klopp's press conferences as a defence for Ten Hag. Difference is, Klopp galvanised and entire fanbase, was actually successful, and was just doing what Fergie used to do - say something outrageous to put the media pressure on him after a loss rather than his players. It's good management. ten Hag just waffles delusional nonsense. Massive difference.
I just want ETH & Rene Hake to go Hake has only just come in so i cant blame him but he was brought in by ETH so he'll go with ETH. RVN knows the club but should either stay as an assistant or leave...i dont think trying RVN as manager will work not with the group of players here...... Wanting ETH out, isnt down to 3 games...its down to nearly 18months.... I know the players have been poor...they all need to be accountable...but ETHs 4231, 424, 316, 433 none of what he has tried to coach over 2yrs....just does not even look remotely like its there....its so disjointed...the gaps between defence, mid & attack are huge, running off the ball is non existent, tracking back is inconsistent, no crosses into the box, no trying to win 2nd balls, goal scoring is practically non existent.... the midfield might as well not be there & the players look drained even after they had 1 week to train for Liverpool.......HOW CAN THIS BE 2YRS IN????
Total Football - the culture and history of which Ten Hag is part, requires a high degree of football intelligence and adaptability. Our squad does not yet have a sufficient number of these players
Not having any defence of Ten Hag anymore. Carragher was spot on. It's beyond a joke now. There's no more mitigations. Since Wolves at home on the opening day of last season, it's been the EXACT same every game. Tactics are fundamentally flawed, easy to play through, easy to play against, confidence is shot, every player playing poorly. The only time we've ever played half decent, is in one-off cup games where Ten Hag has tweaked tactics to win that game only. He's a cup manager at best. Bar a toenail offside against Coventry, he'd be out of a job. The ownership didn't want to keep him, and spoke to other candidates. My hunch is Tuchel's demands were a little too much and they decided to stick rather than twist. But they need to admit their mistake, and change.
I think people underestimate how thin our squad is. Defence is top 4 standard on paper, midfield has no depth in quality after Ugarte Mainoo and Bruno and our attack has the potential to be good in a couple of years, but I could currently name 7 or 8 better forward lines in the league. We probably have the 6th/5th best team in the league on paper, so anything above that is a bonus for me. That said, the lack of chances we create is very worrying at this point. We seem slightly more structured this season in our play, but the lack of chance creation is by far the most worrying thing about ETHs set up ATM. We play a 4-2-4 high intensity for 20 mins then we look tired and teams still cut through us with ease (although admittedly not as much as last season). We look like a bottom half team at the moment. This needs to improve FAST or its curtains for ETH as we should be playing better than this after 2 years, despite all the obstacles he faced.
Ronaldo speaks so much sense.
He has grown a lot in a few years
Too much sense
He's very analytical. It's never based on agenda or attachment to players. Just cold assessment.
Carragher was fair he may be a scouser but he was talking sense
No he's not. He's vindictive and hasn't said a good thing about united. He desperately wants to be right and he's not
Ronaldo is the only non delusional person on this channel.
He need’s his own channel by far the best on here
I could be wrong only catch the odd show but isn't he actually a non league player which would explain why he's actually based in reality
He needs to learn how to make his points quicker
Carra is 100% right. The excuses are boarding on delusional now. Let go of your ego lads and accept what it is.
Yes ! Neville needs to be a pundit, not a former United player. That's your job now Gary.
Yeah ten hag been here long enough should had enough his players and time to get the team how he wants it not working he ain't the guy
It’s game 3 of a new season. We’ve won 1 and lost 2. We lost to Liverpool who is better than us and lost to Brighton who are a good team. You can argue that we should’ve gotten more out of that Brighton game but we are exactly where we should be after 3 games. Stop whining
@@milz97y United hasn't improved from last season. It is terrible. No excuses please. ETH is a fraud. A chalartan
@@milz97y What do you mean Liverpool is better than us. What sort of crap is that? Slot just took over a team that is made up of players he inherited. ETH has been here for year 3, and has been given $600MM. This is NOT acceptable. We expect United to compete against Liverpool at Old Trafford.
Ronny is only voice of reason in this debate
Yeah been like that for a year now. Ronnie has been pointing out our problems consistently. Joe refuses to see it. Ste too. I don't get it. Maybe they just don't like being wrong when Ronnie is right?
He’s the only person on this platform who speaks sense with no agenda one way or another
Maybe they want to keep doors open for media access with the current staff so avoid all criticism? They cannot be this blind to what is going on… I expect there are ulterior motives.
Usually he always is. The rest are so sensationalist
It's cuz he doesn't have to do content daily. The space allows you to think for yourself before you speak, instead of having snap judgments
The pressure on ugarte who is 23 is crazy seems like ppl are hinging our season on him we’ve got a lot more problems than number 6
Well... Last season everybody hinged it on Martinez. "Oh, it's not ten Hag's fault. How can he play his style without Martinez" "when Martinez returns, everything will be ok" blah blah blah.
@@StanKPhlaps yeah there’s a lot more problems I’m completely ten haag out I think we could potentially be worse than last year but I really don’t how ppl think it’s just magically gonna click
@@Davemac189 to me, it can be easily fixed. Football doesn't need to be complicated. Instruct the players not to rush everything. Teach them how to keep possession and control the game. There's more than enough talent in our midfield to not play like we do. But ten hag seems like he wants to prove his way was right last season but it was only because players were injured that we couldn't play that way.
Which people name them
Exactly. Ugarte is not even a passer or goal scoring midfielder. He doesnt even create changes. United is done for. Since ETH took over the team, goal scoring has been a serious problem. This hasn't been sorted out, and with Sancho, Martial and Greenwood gone, United is in serious TROUBLE
Kobbie Mainoo had to tell Onana and the defence to slow it down yesterday. Ten Hag’s “style” means we have no control of a game.
Ronaldo right on it. ETH style requires a team that doesn’t make any mistakes, every pass is perfect and everyone plays at a high intensity. At times we can do that (FA cup final) but the team is not fully equipped to play to this standard and if we fall short and all of these we get hammered! It’s down to the whole football department to decide if we need to play more conservatively papering over the cracks but might get top 4. Or continue to attempt to play a high standard that could challenge but could also end in tears.
Very well put
Sorry but Cara holds us to a higher standard than some of our fans.
Sometimes it’s not the message, it’s the messenger unfortunately
Bang on thank you fully agree for anyone who is from the Manchester area or close knows what this game means these lads have lost it ten hag is wank and won’t improve us
@@BurkeyNW yeah that’s a massive part of it
@@leemccccccc999 I agree to an extent but some of these personal performances are just as questionable. What the fuck is Rashford on. He doesn’t deserve to be here when we do get a new manager
No he doesn't ffs..he wants to stir it up and you support the Scouser ffs.. should be ashamed
Ok, so dont compare united to spurs, compare them to villa.
Emery joined villa 6 months after ten hag joined united and villa were hovering above the relegation zone. He started with a much worse squad and spent less money. So please explain how he was able to take them into europe within 4 months, then followed it up with a top 4 finish and champions league the following season. They play exciting, attacking and effective football with a distinctive style.
Meanwhile, we slipped from 3rd to 8th, finished with a negative goal difference, worse ever champions league campaign. You said ten hag inherited a terrible squad, but ole managed 2 top 3 finishes with them.
Fuckin sick and tired of bullshit excuses. OUR TACTICS ARE AWFUL AND EVERYONE BUT TEN HAG CAN SEE IT!!!!
They’ll ignore this
Because egos at Utd are much bigger and pressure is more. Every manager we've had for the last decade had buckled under the expectations and players not performing any kind of tactics. Emery will fail as well. He can't do it Arsenal, he'd bottle it at Utd as well. Whether ETH stays or not, the next manager is fcuked as long as the old players are there
This is a superb post. Thank you.
@@MrGts92 mate, that's a fuckin tired excuse. It's not the bloody players!!! Ten hag has made 21 signings since he took charge. He's spent £600m. He's had a few gems come through the academy. He's had more control over the running of the club than any previous manager since fergie. There's no excuse to be sliding down the table.
The players that are still there from before ten hag all performed better before he arrived. As I said, 2 x top 3 finishes under Ole. Then 3rd under ten hag, so 3 x top 3 finishes in four seasons. Why the hell are we going backwards!?
@@StanKPhlapsI don’t like ETH style of play don’t like his tactics can’t stand this midfield. It can’t be the players cuz even Ole got a better tune from a worse squad.
Joe is being a hypocrite here. You can't say the issue is the players are injured etc we can't use that excuse anymore . Secondly on the back of last season we had a the better of Liverpool we should of gone in with more confidence that comes from the manager.
You can't say slot has a fully developed squad yet a week ago say that Liverpool will have a shit season
@@YuhnahmeanFearon Injuries🤣🤣🤣🤣, these lot are deluded except Ronaldo. So Luke Shaw would make us title challengers if he were there because he is the only first team player out? What a load of bullshit. I'm getting sick of this lot being so deluded
@@cameronjones8641well Fck off to your own clubs fan page then easy init🤣🤣🤣
Im sorry but you are stupid if you don’t see the merit in that statement.
Yes Shaw being injured does matter because if he was fit and available he would’ve played. Also hojlund for sure would’ve started in a game like this. And most importantly casemiro who made the biggest mistakes in the game would’ve been replaced by ugarte if we had faced Liverpool at a later point in the season.
All big reasons why the same problems we had last season resurfaced against Liverpool. But if you use your brain you’d know that we also have fixes for those that will arrive within a few weeks, ie ugarte hojlund and Shaw all back in starting 11
@@cameronjones8641 exactly they need to stop backing these players they shit .trashford never gets a bad word he deserves from.these lot . We are the problem if we keep giving likes of rashford passes and not moving them on
@@cameronjones8641my brother's are both United fans and were as deluded as these lads years ago. I just assume it's a fan trait at this point. I have a neighbour who is Ten Hag out, unless that means Southgate. That way, he'll give up his season ticket. That's the most sensible comment I've heard in years from a Manc fan.
Joe is hilarious. £600m in three years and every excuse under the sun. May Erik stay forever
Joe 90 has an excuse list
Going into third year, north of half a billion, getting embarrassed every other week, and you guys still propping up this joke of a manager. Joke thing
These people are dumb. Eth has been here for this is 3rd season. What has he change, what area on the pitch has he build and we are solid for that position?
Eth is NOT good manager. Not!!! One semi final in a CL, which he DID NOT improved on or be consistent with the next season. Getting knock out of the group stage, and lost to Getafe in the playoff for Europa league
Why are we talking about Casemiro's $350k/wk. We gave him that, it was us that gave him. He didnt held us at gunpoint
When did fulham and brighton and everton become tricky? Why aren't these teams tricky against City and Pool? Why does United look like the underdog against every team we play, no matter who. Vs Newport, vs Shef Utd, Luton, Burnley. And i bet u we will look terrible playing against Ipswich.
@benzilbeech240 Ipswich have a class manager. One who Man Utd fans campaigned to get rid of from MUFC a few years ago.
Spending 50 million to replace De Gea with Onana is a sackable offence alone.
He shouldn't have been replaced in the summer. Absolute joke of a goalkeepers
As is giving mount the 7. As is signing Antony. As is pretty much everything the guy has done. It's the sad truth. Now we're hinging an entire season on a new CDM. It's crazy.
@galazore Not to mention a CDM who was deemed not good rnough by his last manager because he can't do the one thing we need ... progress the ball. If you put him in the exact same scenarios that Casemiro was in against Liverpool then you get the same result. He isn't the guy that people want him to be and he is destined for failure with these expectations.
De gea was shite for years. Onana also being shite doesn't change that.
@@alexmetcalfe7419 De Gea was still light years ahead of Onano and would have saved many goals that Onana conceded last season in the Prem and the Champions League. Also De Gea's loss of confidence could arguably have been caused by the shambolic defense he had in front of him. Let's not forget that De Gea won player of the season numerous times and is in my opinion a United legend.
Ronny should apply for tactic analysis position at United... I believe they would benefit from it highly. Really appreciate your view of the game Ronny, keep it up.
You're a clown if you actually believe that, and I mean no offence to Ronny.
The copium is strong in this one, ten hag obviously isnt the guy at this point
Yeah and when ten hag is sacked going to be spending years trying to get rid of the crap players he bought such as Antony mount Hojlund onana
Why do they refuse to compare ETH to Emry and Ange? Why is he so special?
Blaming ten Hag 😂 Look at the players. Stop being dramatic
@@anthonyguiness9 What players? ETH's Ajax players? Common!
@@anthonyguiness9The players Ten Hag signed? Or the ones he's worked with every year for the last two years and hasn't improved?
Ronaldo chatting sense. Again.
Carragher is spot on , Ten Haag is tactically inept , you can't play Casimiero in a 2 in midfield, our best result in last 2 years was beating City in the Cup Final, no Casimiero and 3 in there , Mainoo, McTominay and Amrabat , work rate and legs that was the template, under Ten Haag we will NEVER challenge.
So what option did he have instead of starting casemiro there?
@@chikku807 I'd play Martinez as the holder with,Mainoo and Bruno in a narrow three , De Ligt and Maguire centre backs , only till Ugarte is fit . We need to be more solid , our record against the top clubs in the Prem is dreadful. When everyone is fit I'd play...
Onana , Dalot, Shaw,Yoro,DeLigt
Martinez,Mainoo,Ugarte
Bruno, Hjolund, Garnacho
@@alanclarke2510 with all due respect, playing martinez in midfield is such an out-there decision and not realistic at all. Plus if that went wrong then fans would probably quite literally be calling for his head for deciding to play him in midfield. I still believe this was the most pragmatic decision that he could’ve made. Even starting collyer was riskier because if the reason i said. People would be calling him a fool for starting him instead of veteran casemiro
@@chikku807not allowing Bruno to be effectively a 2nd striker look at his heat map, Bruno is the issue to the midfield space even with Ugarte having more legs isn't going to fix the issue, there's a reason you looked better with Mount in the midfield with Bruno up top for the cup final
@@Ryan-ys2bqno one is knitting the play from defence through midfield then through to the attackers
Other managers have consistently proven to be far superior in the tactical department. Ten Hag's inability to match their strategic acumen raises serious concerns about his suitability for the Manchester United job.
Weren't all of u crying "bring ten hag, he is a tactical genius"😂😂😂😂😂
@@besratg9207Really? It seems like there’s been a lot of mixed opinions. I guess I didn’t get the memo that everyone was calling him a genius. What sources were you referring to?
I mean our im not sure how it’s ten hags fault when our players are making basic mistakes, Zirkzee missing sitters, our players just leaving mainoo to get dispossessed instead of providing options, Casemiro misplacing basic passes and not scanning. I don’t understand how this is ten hags fault
@@Borisr-cg7kb Fair point about the missed chances, but it's worth noting that Ten Hag has already spent nearly half a billion on players. With that kind of investment, expectations for tactical and strategic success are understandably high.
When will you be happy as a United fan? Just asking. What will it take so you can enjoy this club again?
Yeah lads, Casemiro is “finished” but Rashford is “lacking confidence”
Cop yourselves on.
Genuine question for Joe- what would it take to lose faith in Ten Hag?
Is your team as good as your burgers
Let's wait what this team does with ugarte. Then we can say eth out
@@besratg9207exactly what I'm saying. Let's give ten Hag a few more games and he has to slot Ugarte in (who's valuable to this system) but also adjust the system in attack and not make our midfield easy to cut through. Yesterday what I watched in that game made me so irked man. What was that?
Nothing. He never admits the manager has failed. Only after they’ve lefy
back to back losses
You guys are way too soft on ten hag. We still have no consistent way of playing. Joe liked to beat away the ange debate from last season 'still finished outside the top 4' yeh they did... Because the squad isnt a top 4 squad!! I just think its mental that after emery comes in to villa you see what theyre about, ange comes in and oh what a shock you see what theyre about. Meanwhile ten hag comes in, decides to buy a boat load of players that he has fucking coached already and still cant get a team to perform consistently. The guy is lost in the league and I think its his time to go
The issue with oNana is hes not sweeping - thts wht is supposed to do to make up for his shit keeping.
This is on 10 and his tactics.
As is the dognut.
Not about comparing Slot and ETH!!
Bottom line is ETH has now spent £616m on 13 players he wanted so the argument of it’s not his team is nonsense. Still no improvement in 2 years same old Utd
Managers don't spend money at Utd. Why do people still push this tripe.
He has a veto on all signings. Will he have his own team if we give him another three years?
Bang on!
Spot on
@@MrGts92 So he has no say in players at all!!!!. What a load of bullshit. He's a fraud and his tactics have been shite for over a season
Joe is completely delusional
We can’t score goals against any team on a consistent basis and we play a style that opens the up the pitch. We play very offensive and don’t score!!!
Yep. High risk for no reward
This is embarassing af 😂
It’s easy to see most of us can see this, apart from the coach, play Bruno as a forward behind Hojland and play with a extra midfielder you can then use the full backs for the width.
Ten Fraud ball.
I'm 54, following Utd for 46 years since 8 years of age.
Bar the last 5 years, we've virtually had the better of Liverpool in the league head to heads and the Cups.
We are now continuously getting battered by them heavily every 2nd season.
They've done us 4-0, 0-5, 7-0, 0-3 on a few occasions.
It needs to fkn stop from today.
Ten Hag has to go. Clueless.
Last 6 games in all competitions won 2 lost 2 drew 2,don’t let facts get in the way
@@ianbailey4343he said every 2nd season bro, when did United turn them over?
One of those wins was extra time in the cup not 90 mins the other was 2-1 Liverpool were 7-0 and 3-0 so even with extra time that's -8 GD during that period, if we add the previous season in that adds a 4-0 and 5-0 loss too!
Last 10 PL games
Uniter 1 win Liverpool 6 wins 3 draws
Goals
Liverpool 28 Man u 6
@@ianbailey4343 we've yet to beat them convincingly in the last 8 or 9 years , they've given us some severe doings.
As painful as it is, thats a fact not getting in the way.
Joe "everything will be fine" Smith.
Don’t forget XG
Agent Smith
Agent talk breeze
He was criticising ten Hag, but he understands these things take time, people who understand football know it will take time
@@anthonyguiness9 10+ years? How much time do you need to give him?
Ronaldo's right !
This holier than thou attitude of never asking for the manager to go because you want to be seen as a “proper” fan is the reason why we’ve suffered the disastrous year we have. The overwhelming evidence now is damming against Ten Hag but these lot will find whatever excuse to give him more time as if that’s gunna make any difference now
What you chatting. The last decade has been nothing but whinging about managers.
@@MrGts92for pretty good reason
@@Ryan-ys2bq doesn't matter. You miss the point completely
So if Liverpool’s team is better why were you clowns putting United to finish above them in the league at the start of the season? Absolute idiocy.
They were looking for the circus
Because these fellas thought Slot is as bad as Ten Hag and would make Liverpool worse. Whereas he is a great manager, just like Klopp was and he seems to be very aware of what is happening in the League. It seems to me that Ten Hag isn't well-prepared and versed in what other teams are doing.
1% heart 99% delusion
Because they'll have a good start and then drop off. Not difficult to comprehend
@@anthonyguiness9keep dreaming. Our players have a winning mentality and culture. How many times people have written off Liverpool and never learn. Saw it in 2021 after we had the most injury ravaged season ever seen in football history and still finished 4th. The season after we were two wins short of a quadruple. 22-23 was the hangover of that Herculean effort as our aging midfield completely lost their legs. Again written off and again bounced back last season. Now written off after Klopp left and tbc…
The tactics are stupid when your dm is Casemiro. You have to know your own players. Ten Hag's core philosophy is wrong. Casemiro is playing how he is coached to play. Casemiro didnt play like this at Madrid.
Gary's opinions are embarrassing us now
Why?
Gary is pretty cringe tho'.
@@StanKPhlaps because he can't see beyond his red glasses. The point Carragher was making was how United went looking for a new manager instead of supporting ETH at the time. When they found nobody better they supported him. It's a bit embarassing from the management of United and ETH knows exactly where he stands in their eyes....AKA, not good enough for them.
Gary’s right though
@@Mandinka711Ten Fraud isn't good enough.
For me it's a horrible cocktail of problems:
1. A lack of flexibility and pragmatism from Ten Hag.
If pushing our full backs incredibly high isn't generating goals, but IS leaving our CMs and CBs constantly vulnerable, then why does ETH persist with it?
It's high risk for very little reward.
2. As discussed, Casemiro isn't a DLP, while also lacking the athleticism to cover all the space left by these tactics.
If this Man Utd team were a machine, Casemiro would be a worn out cog, that's also been fitted into the wrong area. A compounding of problems.
3. For such a high-risk tactic, our attackers are horribly inefficient. If we're not consistently generating high XG chances, then attacking with 6 players is pointless. We're just inviting turn-overs and overloads against our defence.
Also, from an injury perspective, turning every match into a basketball game is both physically and mentally shattering for the players.
4. Too many players forward, too few passing options.
If half of our team are being told to run forward into space - in service of a vertical passing style - then we're also massively limiting passing options in the build up.
I don't believe you can control games with fast, transitional football. Especially not with our attackers, who aren't clinical goal contributors.
In summary, it's early enough in the season for Ten Hag to swallow his pride and pursue a tactical rethink. Combine that with getting his best team on the pitch, and I think we'll see big improvements.
What the hell is a DLP?
@@StanKPhlaps Deep Lying Playmaker. Think Carrick.
Great comment well said!
@@StanKPhlapsdeep playing playmaker
@@senoalamsyah7481 he doesn't play deep anyway. He's just a central midfielder. Don't know why everyone thinks we have so many different roles in our midfield. He does the exact same job as mainoo. They play alongside each other. God knows why people use so many role titles.
Genuinely worried about Andy Tate! Hope he is ok
Ronnie is great to listen to. Makes great points and explains them in detail, underatands the game well and pulls the others on when they are talking bollocks. Needs his own show on this channel
Absolutely spot on Ronaldo
You know it's bad when Carragher has stopped laughing at us and is now looking concerned for united's wellbeing
Micah Richards actually said that he feels sorry for us now. Enough laughing, the fall from grace is alarming.
It’s taken me a few years but I’ve finally come to the conclusion that ETH is garbo! It takes about 15 seconds of him speaking to put me to sleep. Ineos should have made a change in the summer. I guarantee they’re already regretting it
Its funny how Ten Hag has bought or tried to buy his entire old Ajax team, but the one player he didnt try to re-sign (Gravenberch) has just absolutely bossed it at Old Trafford 😂
He did try and sign him when he was at Bayern Munich
They are very unfair comparisons, yeah. Slot's bought... 1 player? ETH has bought a whole new team, half of which he's already managed.
Don't tell Joe 90 that
Completely agree with Ronaldo 💯
One key problem with ETH is that he doesn’t show respect to opposition teams, he does not analyse the opponents to come up with solutions to diminish their effect on the game and along with that he definitely does not do enough on his own tactical game to make it difficult for the opposition either so, simply put he’s such a knob!
If we try to be radical and look at it logically Carragher is the best pundit especially for honest analysis of the fundamentals and this includes United where is is generally bang on . Neville is nice guy whose desire to be liked undermines a lot of his good work, especially re: United
Bollox. Hes only saying it because it would get the most poke out of Utd. He's only there to stir the pot. Utter hypocrite whenever it's Liverpool. He never went into Hodgson or Rodgers this hard.
@@MrGts92 Are you implying that Hodgson and Rodgers were good enough?
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 No. How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?!
@@MrGts92 So why does it matter if Carragher wasn't bashing these managers at Liverpool, when they were absolute clowns at their jobs? Are you implying that Neville should or shouldn't bash Ten Hag in any circumstances?
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 because Carragher isn't there to give analysis, he's always a provocateur when it comes to Utd. His motive isn't at all football based. in those same situations, he didn't go into Rodgers or Hodgson and try to blame the owners... ironically, and literally spits his dummy out when he can't take it back. That's my point. If it was purely based on football, it wouldn't matter. But this guy likes to provoke and give it large, under the guise of a pundit.
Onana, Casemiro & Rashford need to give up.
*Erik Ten Hag
Only 1 rational person in this panel. I will never click this channel again these guys are just men with equipment to make videos and we need to understand that most of them don’t have no clue about the game, but I can see Ronny Struggling to get simple logic across that anyone with football knowledge should know and the other 2 guys try to debate it wow
Anyone seen Andy Tate??👀👀
He told United to give it to Giggsy till the end of the Season 😏
Ronaldo bs analysis is bang on all the time 👍🏼
Just wish our midfield was as calm and assured as Ronaldo here. Makes sense every time he speaks.
We're the worst coached side in the league. Even when we win a game over the last 12 months we're going life and death with the likes of Sheffield United and Luton. It is Ten Hags set up that is the problem. He has to be got rid of.
Totally agree with Ronny here. Voice of reason.
Putting Ugarte in instead of Casimero won't change anything. We still will have the same problem unless Ten Hag changes the midfield when we build up. The profile of Midfielders who he is using when we build up is completely wrong. Ugarte and Casemiro are the profile. If he wants to build up in this way we should have brought Zubimendi or Frenkie de Jong and someone like Lobotka.
This Joe guy is a joke
We haven't had 5 games in a row with Ten Haag playing good football
Exactly.
Ok Joe what about all the other teams with new managers they have a style of play we don’t it’s been 3 years of rubbish
Awesome analysis Ronaldo
Emery with a whole new managerial and backroom staff for the players to get used to changed villa within one game when he took over from Steven Gerrard...
Ifffff Klopp has been losong??? If? But he wasn't losing like this loke ETH so irrelevant point. Not all managers that lose are being deluded. Ole wasn't deluded.
Street jesus over here is so clueless
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the online narrative that chose to defend this mediocrity is being paid to do so or they just want the downfall of the club(secret agent)
Pivotal players aren't good enough. Casemiro, Bruno,.and Rashford aren't good enough. Garnacho isn't a starter. These issues need solving.Talent doesn't win games.
Talent DOES win games if the team is well coached. If the team is not well coached, talented players look bad and lead to people like you blaming them instead of the coach.
What you chatting talent does win games look at Real Madrid... hard work, dedication, football iq, mental toughness, etc. are all talents the average fan doesn't factor into "talent" ravel Morrison was never the most talented guy I the academy because he was missing the mental side of life, doing every Ronaldinho trick doesn't make you an 11 a side monster either
Good points by both Ronnie (minute 6) and Joe. I think ETH said last season that he isn't going to compromise anymore(got rid of DeGea). By playing Case at CDM and playing the same way its make or break for him. Case doesn't like and and has said so and ETH wanted to keep Amrabat and get Ugarte in. Casemiro's days are numbered IMO. At its best we can win cup comps but maybe with the exact right players ETH can win the league?
We are outworked all the time, can’t deal with the press, are easy to play through and can’t score goals, Play five across the middle, at least make us hard to break down
have to agree with Ronaldo here
Joe looks so humbled whenever Ronaldo clears him 😂
We got no goal scorers Hojlund injured and not good enough trashford is trash and garnacho only half threatening one but not prolific and fuc knows why we bought zirkzee hes not a striker apparently we need tony or osiman or i dunno that goal machine that plays for Marseille mason green somthing
I worry for Ugarte, he is going to be highlighted on his weaknesses in this tactic, this could get worse before better
midfield 2 of Ugarte and Mainoo is not enough
Try saying Kobbie Mainoo gets in Liverpools midfield now 😂😂😂
There's something wrong with Gary Neville. Carragher wasn't even talking about anyone other than ETH. He wasn't trying to compare anyone or anything. All Carragher said was that the United upper management went looking for another manager which shows they didn't have complete faith in ETH....that's TRUE ! If they had talked to lets say Nageslman (assuming he was not in a job) for example they would quite likely have hired him and sacked ETH. Neville then tries to compare it to how Liverpool had six months to find a new manager....they did but only because their current manager had told them he was leaving. Liverpool were at no time tryng to improve on Klopp while Klopp was still manager. WTF does Neville not understand here ? GGMU.
Ugarte could go on to be a very exceptional signing but due to the nature of pressure on him, it won’t seem that way.
Fans are going to be expecting him to do EVERYTHING right, and even if he somehow falls short of that he’s going to be lynched for it.
Hasn’t even played a minute yet but everyone’s hinging our season on him. Dumb.
Just look at Fred under Jose, everything you need to see
Found his level is what’s happening there
Can anybody explain to me where Bruno Fernandez plays? On his day he’s decent, but I actually think he’s a major problem with his headless chicken performances
If he stays up he gets berated for not tracking back, if he tracks back he gets berated for not being in the best position. The guy can’t win
Access journalism this is. They won’t say how it is because they will then lose favour and access.
They’ve literally minimal access with United, tin foil hat on too tight mate
@@Sean-wu8qflol these lot love a bit of attention - “they don’t say it like it is!” Because they’re not weeping and agreeing with them. It’s petulant. Like what are you even doing here 😂😂
There’s a guy called Staffy who weeps whether we win or lose. They should all go there and circle jerk in their dark cloud
No, some people aren't blinded by anger like you. It's pretty bad for ten hag but not as bad as many people make it out to be. There were big signs of improvement in Fulham and Brighton's game. Really, to scream eth out after 3 games is funny. Wait at least 10/15 games instead acting like a child.
@@Qba888888 spot on! People expected 8th to a title charge instantly. 2 loses in 3 games is an awful start but we’re in a new INEOS process that can hopefully get things in place for success!
I agree with a lot of things that Joe has said. It is possible to just have a difference in opinion.
Why is Joe always supporting Ten Hag blindly? It’s idiotic and irritating. What has he seen to make him so hopeful?
Everyone’s option is based on assumptions; nobody outside the squad and coaching staff will truly know what’s going on. What I would say is, if you feel the Glazers were contributing to the downfall of the club and the club was managed poorly from top to bottom, then you have to take the view that with Ineos, assuming they’ve made the correct changes, this is the manager’s first season where he’s come close to receding what he asked for and therefore, he needs a few months before he’s fully judged. Now, if you feel that the club ownership has had no impact on the football side of things, then obviously you’ll feel differently about the manager.
19:10 spot on
Joe just have an opinion about something anything
21:17 another problem is fans like this wanting hipster managers in charge without having done anything before. Dismissing a champions league winning manager in Tuchel for Ruben Amorim? 🤣 are we serious? This fanbase is finished.
Outside of a champions league, he's really not done much to be far, French league with PSG and just about scraping a Bundesliga with Bayern because Dortmund threw it away on the last day then following it up by being the first manager to not win it with bayern in 12 years....
@@Ryan-ys2bq and what the fuck has Amorim done? 🤣
@@StandardsFC won the Portuguese league with the 3rd biggest team, not saying he is the answer but Tuchel isn't what people say he is, outside of a cup run (Di Matteo did the same thing at Chelsea) he has underperformed with the biggest team by far in both Germany and France
@@Ryan-ys2bqbasically going for another ETH type.
@MrGts92 na ETH won the Dutch league with the biggest budget and best youth academy. Slot won the league with the 3rd biggest team, Amorim would be a similar pick. I'm not saying he's the guy, just saying Tuchel doesn't have a track record of success when you dig into his history
People talk a lot about standards. Standards have dropped, you can't keep using United's past glory to berate the current first team and manager. We finished 8th last season with a GD of -1, why did everyone think we were going to suddenly be Top 4 challengers? A no. 6 isn't going to suddenly propel us into a competitive position in this league. I think it is natural to be concerened after 3 years when we're still looking at performances like that but we've also only had one window with INEOS in charge and the signings are already better. I actually think patience is required, but I do expect the manager to be sacked and us have to go through another new manager cycle. This will not help the club either - Van Gaal, Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag. Embarrasing.
Because for 3 of the previous 4 seasons we finished in the top 3. Dropping to 8th was supposed to be a blip, not our new level.
Thats because most youtube viewers weren't even born when Fergie was about to be sacked. They assume that we are supposed to be top four every year. There is no divine right for this, look at Liverpool in the 80's and then look where they were after 1992....they were unbeatable in the 80's (pretty much) and then a laughing stock in the 90's. Sounds familiar eh ?
@@Mandinka711Liverpool win the league in 1990 won an fa cup in 92 league cup in 95 lost an fa cup final to United in 96 that Roy Evan’s team was brilliant just not as solid as United or arsenal later on United never had it easy against Liverpool in the nineties whereas now United take an embarrassing pasting most times we play ye, as good as United was back in the day you never embarrassed us !!
@@bullerdriveways496well done on completely missing point. Go back to your own fan channels.
@@Mandinka711 no I won’t!! I can comment on whatever I like and I didn’t miss any point just stating that Liverpool wasn’t a laughing stock like you are now United never ever tonked us but youse take a pasting every time haha coz youse are shite now hahahaga
Forget Slot. Ten Fraud is shite and hasnt got a clue. If he stays we will not finish above 6th.
we have tunred into excuses FC.. 10 Hag benched amad for no reason yesterday.. garacho wants to play on the right
Ten Hag inherited a team that was rubbish and two and a half years later, theyre even worse after spending over half a billion
Ole came second and only lost the UEFA on penalties
How is that rubbish?
@@yingyang1008 They were a million miles away from being a top side, now theyre a billion
Funny because when Ole was in charge the main stick to beat him with was that any other manager would have those players winning the league…
I could listen to Mr. Ronaldo Brown speak about football all day.
His takes have always been good but he has really developed his articulation of his thoughts so well.
Hope Ben Ten Hag stays, excuses excuses all the time, new manager, new owners, new players
Something that worries me with Ten Hag are his substitutions and instructions. Brought home when Zirkzee came on 2nd half in the Fulham game. Zirkzee was actually asking his team mates where to stand when Utd got a corner in front of the Stretford End. WTF? Let’s also address Rashford- two crosses in the Liverpool game does not make a good performance. He was lazy, not pressing properly off the ball in attack - to the extent that Zirkzee noticed and strayed out of position over to the left to cover for him, and was seen jogging back when Liverpool were attacking. Bench him NOW.
Fingers crossed Ten Hag stays as long as possible! United should keep the faith!
YNWA 😘
This is the best discussion about these problems I've watched. Good work lads. What were seeing is Ten Hags way of playing and it's just not working, and he seems too stubborn to now try and stop any of the re-occuring problems. And that infact he's now hanging players out to dry with his directions and tactics (leaving casimero on his own, and telling him to go long). I feel like every game I've watched I've screamed as Casimero has played a ball out like he did Sunday, he just really caught out
😢No lie, I enjoyed Louis Van Gaal's press conferences.. His attacks to the media, his antics, getting drunk at the club end of year, his passion for youth... He was brilliant! Sad it ended cause Jose came but he was class. 😂😅🙏🏾
The point about Slot inheriting a good side that finished third and Ten Hag inheriting a poor side that finished 7th, is totally irrelevant when considering what Carragher said. Carragher wasn’t talking about how good or bad United are under Ten Hag. He’s pointing out that Ten Hag is in his third season & still, nobody knows what United’s football style or identity is. Whereas Slot’s style of play is clear after three games. THAT is the point Carragher was making and he’s right.
Not sure why Ten Haag fans find it so hard to address how Ten Haag has failed to impress his style on United as much as other managers do. Ange did it with Spurs with a poor squad he inherited which sold Kane. Slot has done it with no new signings in the first XI. You can hide behind injuries, the glazers or whatever all you like but imposing a style of play is a core principle for a manager/coach, regardless of players. Buying more players just enables the style to yield more successful results, it should still be evident on the eye however which with ETH,it isnt
a press with holes isn't a press
😂 so true
@@class2ck i will bring that one up with ronaldo
You know what, this fella joe smith is so soothing to listen to. Level headed, calm and a legit manutd fan through n through. We need more joe's and more people listening to joe.
"Regardless of what you think of him, he was a midfielder" 🤣
This idea that EtH has a gung-ho style is mad to me. His favoured tactic is noticeably "one-sided attack, opposite side covers in transition" - simple.
Rashford got all his goals because Antony was so good at forcing teams to defend lopsided and we very quickly switched to Rashford who had his ideal situation: 1 on 1 and the defender is on the back foot (also why Garnacho looked so good that season).
The problem has been that Antony didn't provide enough threat himself when we started down Rashford's flank, and Rashford doesn't transition properly when it is lost on the right flank.
Things have changed, somewhat, in that we now have the spine to build through the middle so we are developing a 3 pronged attack instead of the present single pronged attack. HOWEVER, players are adapting slowly so we are seeing horrific shit repeatedly. That's all. It's not gung-ho, it's patient, but players being slow on uptake is causing massive blunders that are just growing pains
If ETH doesn’t play Casemiro, fans will complain we have a 300k player sat on the bench in place of Collyer/Eriksen.
If he plays Casemiro and sets up more defensively, fans will complain the style of play is negative and too defensive.
The manager hasn’t been good enough, there are loads of problems and I’m sick of him calling on the ‘trophies’ excuse - but in fairness how can he win with the fan base? Liverpool have a FAR better squad, built over years and years with Klopp. 60 mins into the game, Gakpo and Nunez are warming up and we turn to the bench to see Antony and a couple of academy players.
It's getting harder to watch this show by the year, which is why I only bother after a major loss, really. (So about 10 times a season right now).
The delusion and pettyness is insane. Take Joe, bringing up Klopp's press conferences as a defence for Ten Hag. Difference is, Klopp galvanised and entire fanbase, was actually successful, and was just doing what Fergie used to do - say something outrageous to put the media pressure on him after a loss rather than his players. It's good management.
ten Hag just waffles delusional nonsense. Massive difference.
Best discussion in a while on Casemiro. Thank you.
I just want ETH & Rene Hake to go Hake has only just come in so i cant blame him but he was brought in by ETH so he'll go with ETH. RVN knows the club but should either stay as an assistant or leave...i dont think trying RVN as manager will work not with the group of players here......
Wanting ETH out, isnt down to 3 games...its down to nearly 18months....
I know the players have been poor...they all need to be accountable...but ETHs 4231, 424, 316, 433 none of what he has tried to coach over 2yrs....just does not even look remotely like its there....its so disjointed...the gaps between defence, mid & attack are huge, running off the ball is non existent, tracking back is inconsistent, no crosses into the box, no trying to win 2nd balls, goal scoring is practically non existent.... the midfield might as well not be there & the players look drained even after they had 1 week to train for Liverpool.......HOW CAN THIS BE 2YRS IN????
Total Football - the culture and history of which Ten Hag is part, requires a high degree of football intelligence and adaptability. Our squad does not yet have a sufficient number of these players
Not having any defence of Ten Hag anymore. Carragher was spot on. It's beyond a joke now. There's no more mitigations. Since Wolves at home on the opening day of last season, it's been the EXACT same every game. Tactics are fundamentally flawed, easy to play through, easy to play against, confidence is shot, every player playing poorly.
The only time we've ever played half decent, is in one-off cup games where Ten Hag has tweaked tactics to win that game only. He's a cup manager at best. Bar a toenail offside against Coventry, he'd be out of a job. The ownership didn't want to keep him, and spoke to other candidates. My hunch is Tuchel's demands were a little too much and they decided to stick rather than twist. But they need to admit their mistake, and change.
I think people underestimate how thin our squad is. Defence is top 4 standard on paper, midfield has no depth in quality after Ugarte Mainoo and Bruno and our attack has the potential to be good in a couple of years, but I could currently name 7 or 8 better forward lines in the league. We probably have the 6th/5th best team in the league on paper, so anything above that is a bonus for me. That said, the lack of chances we create is very worrying at this point. We seem slightly more structured this season in our play, but the lack of chance creation is by far the most worrying thing about ETHs set up ATM. We play a 4-2-4 high intensity for 20 mins then we look tired and teams still cut through us with ease (although admittedly not as much as last season). We look like a bottom half team at the moment. This needs to improve FAST or its curtains for ETH as we should be playing better than this after 2 years, despite all the obstacles he faced.