Very informative video and many thanks to the South Devon Railway drivers and staff for their generosity in sharing their time and lovely railway with us.❤
This was a fascinating video and really good of South Devon to be so accommodating. One thing I find myself wondering is, how does the fireman know what to do with the reverser? Does he just know based on the regulator position etc? Or can the driver communicate that?
Kinda cool that it's still used here in Belgium, where there are coaches that have a control cab. We even started implementing a mix of emu and coach control cabs with the latest M7 dubbledecker coaches.
From what I read,there was not only mechanical operations on push-pulls,there were cable,and vacuum versions of controls! The Isle of Wight has the LSWR type PP's operating,with air pumps! Query; What other companies/ regions used what systems for PP services?? Thank you for time and efforts,well done! Thank you 😇 😊!
Thanks for that. Into the 1960s Push Pull trains ran between Three Bridges and Tunbridge Wells West. I once got a ride in the engine cab from East Grinstead to Forest Row with the engine pushing, on the line that has long been lifted.
Loved this video. Visited the SDR many times over the last 40 years. Was last there in 2021 difficult getting there as I live in west Yorkshire so combine it with Holliday's in the area can't wait to go back and see this running 👍
A great insight into these operations. I hope that visitors were not disappointed not to have a DMU ride 😏 I love what was the Dart Valley Railway, happy memories of family holidays staying in our touring caravan in Buckfast and visiting the DVR in the '70s & '80s. Have also visited in recent years, if only it was on my doorstep and not 4 hours away.
When I was very young there were push-pull trains on the Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace branch in North London. I travelled on it a few times but was too young to appreciate the push-pulls. Very nice video.
Strictly speaking, the LSWR system was a notoriously unreliable cable-worked one. The SR air-control system originated on the LBSCR, which used Westinghouse air brakes anyway. The Southern referred to it as "Pull-Push" too, which makes more sense as you'd usually pull first, then push back...
Unless you are in Great Eastern territory and using the Epping to Ongar section of the London Underground when the trip to Ongar from Epping was pushed and the return pulled.
On the North Eastern Railway, there were some locations where trains ran for short in reverse into and out of stations under the control of the guard. Trains from Scarborough to Whitby reversed out of Platform 1a at Scarborough and then from Whitby West Cliff to Whitby Town and in opposite direction. But these trains were limited to 2 coaches with a guard's compartmentcatvthe rear of the train. The limit of 2 coaches was due to the length of Platform 1a and the steepness of the line between the 2 stations in Whìtby. Longer trains could not be run in reverse. The other location I know of this is Guisborough, where longer trains could reverse into or out of the station, provided there was a guard's compartment at the rear. Some form of autotrain would have been useful.
Up trains into Dorchester South did the same, running past the station then propelling into the platform - and they were full length Weymouth to Waterloo expresses...
I remember a railway tour of Germany to see steam. In Saarbrucken a commuter train was operated by push-pull, a class 23 2-6-2 ws in the middle of a train with 4 or 5 coaches either side of it. It went in and out of the station a cople of times while we were there.
The GWR autotrains could do the same, but only 2 coaches each end on the locomotives. 2 coaches being the maximum limit for the mechanical control system.
The German system is interesting because it didn't even have direct control of the regulator (except in emergency). Instead, the driver had a device in the cab much like a ship's telegraph which could transmit a few set messages to the fireman on the loco ("start", "shut off steam" etc). The fireman would do as instructed and confirm he had done so on a similar device on the loco. The driver would handle braking; this would usually have no direct effect on the loco, but if he selected the "emergency" position on the brake controller, air would be fed into a cylinder fitted in the loco cab to slam the regulator shut, so he could still stop even if the fireman became incapacitated. The same thing would happen if he let go of the deadman's handle in the auto trailer cab.
Excellent video! Very well done explaining how the push pull system works! I didn't know about the other system that used compressed air to control the engine.
Our Grandson and I had a trip on this lovely little railway this year. Do visit! (We arrived by train as well - Totnes main line is just a short walk away) Great philosophy at the end as well, Will. ps Loved our trips on the MHR last year too.
Fascinating - always knew the general principle but not the details. One minor point emu's (not the birds!) actually came before dmu's, surely? On the Tube and suburban lines, certainly, though on branch lines diesel are still more usual.
The railmotors also used the same system for theor trailers/autocoaches, it was intercompatible. The difference was a loco could have two coaches front and back each, and pull/push it without issue, the railmotor is two coaches and struggles
I travelled on Southern Region trains from Bournemouth to Ringwood, sometimes on to Holmsley and Brockenhurst. Also from Brockenhurst to Lymington, and, my favourite Wareham to Swanage. Most of these trips were Push-Pull, but have seen Standard 4’s and both types of Bullieds at Ringwood. Very sad the authorities couldn’t see the value of keeping Lymington Junction to Hamworthy Junction/Holes Bay Junction. Would be very handy with the traffic available today, and a faster service from Weymouth to Waterloo than via Poole, Bournemouth and Southampton.
That would be fantastic but unfortunately there are only two M7s in preservation, one at the NRM and 30053 based at Swanage which had the equipment removed after it was withdrawn in the 60s.
@@thewatercressline 245 in the National Railway Museum is static exhibit, but in any case its a short frame version so it couldn't take the Southern Railway compressed air push pull system.
the production quality has been upped yet again!
Great work will + Team!
Fantastic episode will! The SDR Sounds such a nice railway putting that push pull on for your filming! Great episode! Can't wait for the next one!
Great video. I've often wondered how the push pull trains worked so this was a fantastic insight and great to see South Devon Railway featured too.
0:44 mark Bit of an understatement there, Will. This was absolutely brilliant! Most educational for this Canadian driver...
Another brilliant video.
Wow had no idea any of these locos, units, funky steps etc existed! Great collaboration from all. Also, nailing those one take moments!
Appreciate how you film everything without greenscreen. I feel it makes it more engaging.
Very informative video and many thanks to the South Devon Railway drivers and staff for their generosity in sharing their time and lovely railway with us.❤
This was a fascinating video and really good of South Devon to be so accommodating.
One thing I find myself wondering is, how does the fireman know what to do with the reverser? Does he just know based on the regulator position etc? Or can the driver communicate that?
Well done, excellent video, one of your best. Love seeing the detail of how it works. Real team work. All the best!!
Kinda cool that it's still used here in Belgium, where there are coaches that have a control cab. We even started implementing a mix of emu and coach control cabs with the latest M7 dubbledecker coaches.
Another great little railway featured, good video thanks guys 👍🚂
From what I read,there was not only mechanical operations on push-pulls,there were cable,and vacuum versions of controls! The Isle of Wight has the LSWR type PP's operating,with air pumps! Query; What other companies/ regions used what systems for PP services?? Thank you for time and efforts,well done! Thank you 😇 😊!
Thanks for that. Into the 1960s Push Pull trains ran between Three Bridges and Tunbridge Wells West. I once got a ride in the engine cab from East Grinstead to Forest Row with the engine pushing, on the line that has long been lifted.
Loved this video. Visited the SDR many times over the last 40 years. Was last there in 2021 difficult getting there as I live in west Yorkshire so combine it with Holliday's in the area can't wait to go back and see this running 👍
Thanks very interesting to see how auto coaches are operated. I would have liked to seen the inside and workings of the steam rail motor coach.
6412 was also the star of BBC's The flockton flyer
Excellent video. While I travel this way and watched the autocoach and loco running.
I've never seen it on board up close.
A great insight into these operations. I hope that visitors were not disappointed not to have a DMU ride 😏
I love what was the Dart Valley Railway, happy memories of family holidays staying in our touring caravan in Buckfast and visiting the DVR in the '70s & '80s. Have also visited in recent years, if only it was on my doorstep and not 4 hours away.
Nice job, Will and the team. Most informative.
When I was very young there were push-pull trains on the Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace branch in North London. I travelled on it a few times but was too young to appreciate the push-pulls. Very nice video.
Strictly speaking, the LSWR system was a notoriously unreliable cable-worked one. The SR air-control system originated on the LBSCR, which used Westinghouse air brakes anyway. The Southern referred to it as "Pull-Push" too, which makes more sense as you'd usually pull first, then push back...
Unless you are in Great Eastern territory and using the Epping to Ongar section of the London Underground when the trip to Ongar from Epping was pushed and the return pulled.
That was really interesting! Well done!
Greetings from Padua, Italy.
On the North Eastern Railway, there were some locations where trains ran for short in reverse into and out of stations under the control of the guard. Trains from Scarborough to Whitby reversed out of Platform 1a at Scarborough and then from Whitby West Cliff to Whitby Town and in opposite direction. But these trains were limited to 2 coaches with a guard's compartmentcatvthe rear of the train. The limit of 2 coaches was due to the length of Platform 1a and the steepness of the line between the 2 stations in Whìtby. Longer trains could not be run in reverse. The other location I know of this is Guisborough, where longer trains could reverse into or out of the station, provided there was a guard's compartment at the rear. Some form of autotrain would have been useful.
Up trains into Dorchester South did the same, running past the station then propelling into the platform - and they were full length Weymouth to Waterloo expresses...
Very informative, thank you. 😁
I remember a railway tour of Germany to see steam. In Saarbrucken a commuter train was operated by push-pull, a class 23 2-6-2 ws in the middle of a train with 4 or 5 coaches either side of it. It went in and out of the station a cople of times while we were there.
The GWR autotrains could do the same, but only 2 coaches each end on the locomotives. 2 coaches being the maximum limit for the mechanical control system.
The German system is interesting because it didn't even have direct control of the regulator (except in emergency). Instead, the driver had a device in the cab much like a ship's telegraph which could transmit a few set messages to the fireman on the loco ("start", "shut off steam" etc). The fireman would do as instructed and confirm he had done so on a similar device on the loco. The driver would handle braking; this would usually have no direct effect on the loco, but if he selected the "emergency" position on the brake controller, air would be fed into a cylinder fitted in the loco cab to slam the regulator shut, so he could still stop even if the fireman became incapacitated. The same thing would happen if he let go of the deadman's handle in the auto trailer cab.
Wow,that was very insightful,great video,thank you
Excellent video! Very well done explaining how the push pull system works! I didn't know about the other system that used compressed air to control the engine.
Nice scenes, good tutorial. Saying thanks to the SDR....
Thanks Will, good luck with the driving coarse. Enjoy....
Our Grandson and I had a trip on this lovely little railway this year. Do visit! (We arrived by train as well - Totnes main line is just a short walk away) Great philosophy at the end as well, Will.
ps Loved our trips on the MHR last year too.
It’s a pity that somebody hasn’t recreated a Southern style push-pull with the compressed air system.
Well introduction. I never know this kind of control and train. Thanks!
You keep raising the bar this was a very interesting video indeed well done
best explanation on steam auto working yet. Also the LMS did use steam push-pull with auto working.
Fascinating - always knew the general principle but not the details. One minor point emu's (not the birds!) actually came before dmu's, surely? On the Tube and suburban lines, certainly, though on branch lines diesel are still more usual.
The railmotors also used the same system for theor trailers/autocoaches, it was intercompatible. The difference was a loco could have two coaches front and back each, and pull/push it without issue, the railmotor is two coaches and struggles
Great episode Will, I know both Ben & Rod + I remember working on the footplate on the South Devon with a certain Mr Bentley several moons ago.
Fantastic video!
really good, interesting, and well presented
I travelled on Southern Region trains from Bournemouth to Ringwood, sometimes on to Holmsley and Brockenhurst. Also from Brockenhurst to Lymington, and, my favourite Wareham to Swanage. Most of these trips were Push-Pull, but have seen Standard 4’s and both types of Bullieds at Ringwood.
Very sad the authorities couldn’t see the value of keeping Lymington Junction to Hamworthy Junction/Holes Bay Junction. Would be very handy with the traffic available today, and a faster service from Weymouth to Waterloo than via Poole, Bournemouth and Southampton.
Great video will
Awesome series - which is the best way to support this group - Patreon or Society Membership
the whistle in the first shot was a paid actor
Push-Pull M7 on the Mid Hants Railway in the future?
That would be fantastic but unfortunately there are only two M7s in preservation, one at the NRM and 30053 based at Swanage which had the equipment removed after it was withdrawn in the 60s.
@@thewatercressline 245 in the National Railway Museum is static exhibit, but in any case its a short frame version so it couldn't take the Southern Railway compressed air push pull system.
Great video. Like me
Soon there will be a game on roblox just like this one