7th Saga was one of those games I loved quite a bit when it came out. I even beat it twice with two different heroes... There are very few JRPGs I have actually liked so much I went through it twice. I am sure it doesn't hold-up today, but I liked it back then. Enix was one of my favorite companies in the day.
Oh there were a bunch... Quest 64, Lord of the Rings for SNES, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Baten Kaitos (which I really need to try again sometime), the list really goes on...
+Ponaru yeah, I had very high expectations at the time and the card thing turned me off. this was a very long time ago though. I think my experience will be different next time around.
+SuperDerek RPGs I too was turned off by the card system at first, but the more I played the more I fell in love with it. I can see how its not a game for everyone though.
+SuperDerek RPGs I was really enjoying Quest 64. But at the time I was renting it from Block Buster. Remember when that was a thing. So I never got too far in the game. I always wanted to go back and complete it. I could see why you don't like the game. I had some mix feelings about it and it was nowheres close to as good as Ocarina of Time. I think the fact that I never finished it is what makes me really curious about it.
@@bladekemp1765 Fallout 3 is the only game I played on the franchise (if you don't count The Outer Worlds, which I also dropped midway through). Aditionally, I played The Witcher 3 to the end after I wrote this comment, but I consider it more of an action-adventure game than an RPG tbh.
@@bladekemp1765 I never had contact with them, but I'd hardly be able to get interested on them today, because of graphics and camera perspective. Too dated. I dropped even Disco Elysium after less than an hour because of this.
@@PetrisonRocha oh well yeah, fuckin mug it off then - there is an overhaul mod in progress of turning new vegas into fallout 1 - the effort is admirable, unfortunately the mod has been ongoing for so long now that new vegas looks shit aswell
Faxanadu for NES. That game was hard as hell, damn. I wanted to get into so badly, because the game has wonderful music, great graphics, and for what I could tell a decent story. But the brutality of the game was just too damn much for my twelve year old self. I should really try this again someday.
+VolkswagenGamer Same thing for witcher 2,at first.The something happened one day and It just clicked and felt right.Been a fan of the series ever since xD.Fable3...can't believe how this falled so low since I was a huge fan of lost chapters.Never understood how they could fuck these games so bad...
+VolkswagenGamer Yeah Witcher 2 is one for me. I just played through DarkSouls2 though, so my standards for gameplay were much higher. Plus Geralt is way too cheesy and generic of a character for me to get into
I'm pretty open-minded about every RPG I played, but one series I'm trying to like is the Persona series. I can't stand the high-school setting, the dating sim mechanics, and just about all of the characters. The music is amazing, but everything else just doesn't click with me :(
Honestly, this series was hard for me to transition into, as well. I came from SMT: Nocturne, and the dating sim aspect put me off of Persona at first. Just stick with it for a couple of months (in-game, of course) and the gameplay will start to become second nature to you. In no time at all, you'll find yourself planning out all your social links for the coming days without even thinking about it.
zane Like I said, it has a great engine, just the overall setting and characters are way too japanese high school- ish. Those games are not for everyone
Hmmmm. One Christmas when I was like 8 years old my dad tried his darndest to pick me up Dragon Ball Final Bout but games like that were much more difficult to locate so he got me a few other games that Christmas instead. Namely one called Beyond the Beyond. To this day I have a certain degree of fondness for it, but at the same time I recall just one liking it very much at all. I also had a gameshark back then and I used it to super overpower my characters. This caused me to get stuck in a never ending loop within a battle I was supposed to lose, but the enemy couldn’t kill my characters hahaha
@Ben Russell Yeah, it was very generic. Kinda cool tho, in a weird way. Rogue Galaxy is a game that could be called "generic" in terms of how it has such a by the numbers cast and situations/scenarios. Yet Rogue Galaxy is also an awesome game, which Beyond the Beyond is not lol
@Ben Russell Definitely one worth playing, very grindey and long but there's a lot there and it was a juggernaut of a game on the PS2. Take care man! Also, XCom on PSX was a classic, I still have it on Steam too.
Maybe "Immortal" on the Sega Genesis. Still find it to be a great visually looking game, but is was just too difficult for me at the time. A couple of months ago I saw a walkthrough of the game and it still seemed to be too dificult a game :) That's I think the only RPG-ish kinda game that I've never completed and I've played a lot of RPG's like: Sega Master System: Golvellius: Valley Of Doom, Golden Axe Warrior, Mirracle Warriors: Seal Of The Dark Lord, etc. Sega Megadrive / Genesis: Sword Of Vermillion, Dungeons & Dragons, Shining Force I & II, Shining In The Darkness, The Story Of Thor, Landstalker, Flashback (dunno if you can call that an RPG?!), etc. NES: Castlevania II: Simon's Quest, Zelda, The Legend Of Zelda, Zelda II: The Adventure Of Link, etc. SNES: Zelda: A Link To The Past, Secret Of Mana, etc.
+pjomayo just because they reused a bunch of highly outdated assets dosent mean it lead to deamons souls. kings field is complete shit in all versions, and the world would be better had it never existed.
+Tetra Digm FromSoft themselves acknowledges King's Field as the spirtual ancestor to Demon's.It;s just not a obvious as the connection between Demons and Dark Souls.King's Field 2 and 3 were great..KF 1 is a bit whiffy now but it had great atmosphere.
+AnUnnamed3vil lol oh yea. I played ff13, got to the part where close to the end where you do all those missions on a wild planet, and I though "wow I actually do give a shit what happens with this story" and stopped. autoplay bs....
Oh man I agree with that one.... I put maybe 15 hours into Tales of Zestiria and just quit.... I just couldn't get into the story or care about the characters
BioHazarD Agreed man, I'm a massive Tales fan, but my god was Zestiria terrible, I don't know if I've ever had a game that disappointed me more than Zestiria, thank lord for Berseria washing out the bad taste TOZ left in my mouth
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, FFX-2, FFXII, FFXIII, The Last Story & Bravely Default. FFTA because of the law system, that was annoying. FFXII people like but I didn't, the characters (Basch might of been ok), the story and the way they changed the gameplay. FFX-2 & FFXIII make fun of themselves, so nothing to say there. The Last Story, played a few hours and didn't care for the characters or the clunky battle system that's trying to be like a western game. And let's not forget Bravely Default, it was an awesome game! Battle system was back to being awesome for an RPG, music was good, characters were so-so (you could do worse), job system and customization like setting percentage of random battles were terrific (that's how you do a random battle style RPG). But what ruins the entire thing you may ask??? Having to do the game over and over and over and over and over and over and over again! It's what killed it for me!!! Also the story wasn't anything special.
I was looking forward to Time and Eternity because it seemed so different from other RPG's at that time. When I started playing the game I enjoyed the some of the characters and parts of the gameplay, but the game moved at such a slow pace that I couldn't get into it.
i totally agree with 7th saga. and oh god when your trying to find recruits it gets insane. battling for the signs or whatever they were so you could actually fight and damage the last boss ughhh
My first RPG I had ever played was on a mega drive system, called Rings Of Power.. in the beginning I hated it, but it grew on me.. have you played it ?
For as much as I liked Skyrim, I can’t seem to remember anything about it. The story was totally forgettable. The game mechanics haven’t aged well, it is a game of its moment and that’s it.
7th saga was the most brutal level grind I've ever played. Grind to achieve anything in that damn game. At least with games like Phantasy Star the grind ends after the initial grind.
+Tchitchouan Inouane Infinite Undiscovery was good - minus the VO on the MC (sept for the part in the game when he gets pissed) I should replay it so I can unlock the last party member. Lost Odyssey was the first game I bought when I got me 360 (pre-FF with freaking amazing OST)
Final Fantasy X FF7 was my first RPG and I loved it and played through it and beaten the final boss by accident. FF8 was also pretty much ok... never beaten it, but maybe some time FF9 was also great. Loved the chars and the whole story, but at the end, I gave up... was a time, where I never really grinded and just got underleveled through the story, mashing "attack"... xD FF10 was just uninteresting. Maybe cause I hated the beach-boy looking main char and the lack of an overworld killed it for me. And... the stupid... ball... minigame... (loved the card-battles so much more).
that is my exact same experience with Final Fantasy series. Really wanted to finish 9 but couldn't do it. Have you tried the SNES ones what did u think of 6?
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I loved 7th Saga. Lots of interesting characters imo. It's different for sure though. For me it was bravely default. Not that it was bad, it was good, just overwhelming amounts of things to do. Burned me out
Shining in the darkness; I found the dungeons very frustrating, which was a shame as the game itself was well presented, and very popular. I just couldn't get into it. Final Fantasy VIII; I absolutely hated all the random encounters as you moved across the map. It put me off any RPG incorporating the random battle mechanic.
+HappyConsoleGamer You've got to be REALLY keen to buy a pad of graph paper, and carefully plot every dungeon. Alas, I had no patience, and played Shining Force 2 instead. :)
Though it was quite recent, for me it was Final Fantasy IX. I always loved the style from an AMV I saw many years ago and finally could get to play it on game pass. I loved the story, the characters (Zidane not so much) but what I think killed it for me were the ATB battle system and the camera. I just can't get used to that style of battle system, and the camera is sometimes on weird angles that makes it uncomfortable.
One game comes to mind for me, and it's considered to be one of the greatest RPG's of all time to most. I'll never understand why that is. Anyway, the game is Chrono Cross. Chrono Trigger was absolute perfection, and so I was really, really looking forward to this. I didn't bother renting it first like I normally would have. I thought to myself "Why bother? It's the sequel to freakin' Chrono Trigger, of course it's going to be incredible!" Imagine my horror when I stuck it in my PS1 and quickly discovered that everything that made Chrono Trigger so amazing had been chucked out the window. The fantastic battle system had been replaced with a new shitty one, the fantastic characters were replaced with loads of very unlikable new ones, and the very innovative, cool, and exciting time travel gimmick was replaced with a boring parallel world. I've always really wanted to like it, so every once in a blue moon I'll pick it back up and give it another go. Unfortunately, I never get far before giving up on it. Playing that game is like torture for me. I feel the same way that most people do when they play Action 52.
I'm so lucky I played Chrono Cross first. I was so amazed by that game. The thought of going back and forth worlds, changing characters showing them items and such. That was amazing for me and then I played Trigger and it blew my mind lol. It was the perfect jrpg
j06 The thing is, they still could have made almost exactly the same game without it being a Chrono Trigger sequel, and that's what they should have done. Apparently they don't believe in the popular saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
James Pedid Well, you're certainly not the only one who thinks that way about it. That's fine. I have nothing against the people who think it's one of the greatest games ever, I just very, very much disagree.
I cant think of an RPG I had high hopes for but was disappointed, however I recently bought a turn based JRPG released about a week ago that I thought I'd hate, but because so many JRPG fans I know love it I got a copy. Turns out it's the best new game I played in 2016 so far. This game being Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth.
+Andrew Lukan You aren't alone, the initial reaction was positive but it got a mixed reception. It just has too much side content that feels like MMO-style filler. THAT SAID, those are all optional and feel free to skip them. The best way to play it is in fact to skip the side stuff. I think you will enjoy it much more as a result.
I'm about to beat trigger and play cross. What exactly is it you didn't like? Most reviews are mixed saying the gameplay is good but the story isn't too good.
+chunkymonkey Last year, bought it from the PlayStation Store to play on my Vita. Never got around to playing it before on the original PlayStation. On having a Vita not not a huge amount of games to play on it I decided it was the right time to play this game. The only other Final Fantasy game I have played was FFX on the PS2 and not bring able to get into that back then I was a bit skeptical if I would be able to get into FFVII. While it was a lot better then X it still didn't really gel with me, not really sure why. I still have it on my Vita so will probably try it again at some point. I do tend to prefer RPG's like Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic and the Mass Effect trilogy. Think it might be the heavy Japanese sense of humor that's usually in the Final Fantasy game's that doesn't sit well with me. I do like the look of the early FF games on Super Nintendo, have heard FF6 is brilliant.
+chunkymonkey Oh boy here we go. Direct is going to reply that they were between the ages of 8-13 and they played it back when FFX came out and they actually enjoyed that game and then you are going to go through a long and drawn out tirade on why every other FF is inferior to FFVII and that he needs to play it again because Cloud is in it and Cloud is "awesome", *yawn*. Same old shit pretty much.
VideoGameStupid LC top kek. Nah, I was genuinely curious about what he would have to say. Yeah, FF7 was the first FF I played and nostalgia plays a part in why I like it but I recognize that it has flaws and there were some pretty big translation errors that made Sephiroth's origins a bit confusing in the English version. My favorite FF is probably 9, anyway. You were saying?
II DIRECTx II I think 6 and 9 are better than 7. But yeah, Japanese humor can be a dealbreaker. I found that as I got older my tolerance for weeb shit diminished.
I buy whole series of games that I never play. Tales, Hyperdemension, Wild Arms, the list goes on and on. As an adult I find I enjoy owning games more than playing them.
Wasn't the biggest fan of Legend Of Dragoon, all my friends over praised it at the time and I thought it was going to epic and amazing... it's alright just very over rated and honestly kind of bland story wise, defiantly not what I had pictured in my head of what everyone was talking aboot
+Kenny Corrigal ya, the legend of dragoon definitely isn't the best of its time, but I was all over that game as a kid as it was one of the earliest rpg games I got to play
funny you say that b/c i went into that game w/ zero expectations,only thing i heard prior was "oh yeah its good" and i ended up loving it unfortunately,you fell victim to having high expectations due to people praising it [like i did w/ ocarina of time],that's something to keep in mind,always go into a game w/ mild expectations or you're going to end up disappointed
+Kenny Corrigal It's funny 'cause I bought It back on psn store and still love that game to death.I really love the story,the design and the combat mechanic.At the end of the day,It's all mattred of opinions But It was funny for me to see that we're like the yin and the yang on this subject hahaha :).
Not sure how it was "overrated" it was a good game for its time, not great but good. Just because your friends loved it doesn't mean it was overrated at all, just that it was something you didn't like.
You hit the nail on the head with 7th Saga! That game was released when I was in elementary school. I remember reading the Nintendo Power articles about it and it looked so amazing. I fantasized about choosing what hero, and what friends they would party with due to their alignment. I never got it, but I never forgot. I picked it up off ebay 4 years ago when I was 30. To finally realize my dream. and I just couldn't get into it. Like you said. You walk out of town and get owned by one monster, then you have to go heal. After 10 minutes you can fight 2 monster before you have to go rest. ugh. I only put about 8 hours before I gave up.
Valkyrie Chronicles. I know everyone praises this game and I can honestly see why, but... I just couldn't love it. I love the art and the diverse characters you get, but I was not a fan of the battle system and the character animations were so bland in comparison to other games... I may give it another shot soon, but I dunno...
oh, and Final Fantasy 13. there was so much mixed criticism of this game that I just had to get it. and while I really loved the graphics, loved the scenery, enjoyed the gameplay, I just couldn't get invested into the story of the characters. I couldn't CARE for any of them. I didn't care whether they lived or died, which was a HUGE difference from playing Final Fantasy 10 or 12.
I remember renting 7th Saga a few times, and enjoyed it enough to finish it twice, once with Lux and with the blue fighter guy. I imagine if I went back to play it I wouldn't enjoy it so much.
I'm going to be persecuted for this blasphemy. I couldn't connect with Final Fantasy III (VI). I was brought into RPGs during the commodore 64 era, with gems like Ultima, Questron, and Legacy of the Ancients. The SNES blew my mind when I picked it up with Final Fantsy II (IV). I played the heck out of that game, beating it many times. Despite the upgrade in graphics and some wonderful music, the game was a total SLOG ( ! ) for me. I didn't like how long it held my hand, I didn't like how often it forced me to it's linear path, I didn't like how often it forced me to switch characters. I'm ashamed to say, I put it down and have never beaten it.
Your opening statement perfectly PERFECTLY describes my history with the PS1 version of Dragon Quest VII. I wanted to love it so badly... but I just couldn't get into it no matter how hard I tried.
Same thing happened to me with Xenoblade. I played the campaign four times, put 600 hours into it, created a walkthrough on the internet for it, bought all of the merchandise associated with game (still have it in my room), developed a mtg-style trading card game based on the characters and enemies, and after all of that something just didn't click with the game for me. Oh well.
Same here. Tales of Xillia was interesting, but I couldn't get into the combat. I found that I wasn't watching the game, bit was watching just for the combo icons to appear and it was a letdown. Funny thing is I liked most everything else about it, except Teepo.
"Slog" is a word, Maribel uses it to describe the journey from Pilchard Bay to Estard in Dragon Quest VII. idk why I remembered that xD pretty obscure gaming reference right there! :D
I remember playing Might and Magic 2 way back in the day on my friend's family Macintosh. It ran in a small window and it was in black and white. It was head and shoulders above any other rpg I had played up to this point despite it's shortcomings. I had a gold box game on the C64 (Curse of the Azure Bonds) and stuff like FF1 and Dragon Warrior on the Nintendo. MM2 blew them all away with it's complexity and difficulty. The Mac also had the ability to reproduce almost cd quality music and sound effects which I had never heard up until that point. MM2 has such a rich and strange world it pulled me in. The genesis version is close to the Mac version but the PC version is pretty flat. What I wouldn't give to get my hands on the Mac version.
I was really hyped for Ninokuni before its release, preordered the collector's edition and everything... I love ghibli, I love level 5... How could this go wrong? I never finished it... It just... Bored me... Maybe the most disappointing game I've ever played...
+Hawk Enroth I agree, even after the finishing the game, I felt nothing spectacular about it, it was so bland and too childish for me. It's ridiculous how over hyped that game was on release, and the amazing scores that it got from all gaming sites. The game put me in check, making me realize I must be getting old or something if it's such a loved title, it was so mediocre to me.
+Hawk Enroth I loved Ni no Kuni, but the game really is a bit of a mess, though it feels like the PS3 version was very rushed. The original DS one is way better.
Chronic Cross did a lot right, but I'll never understand the decision to cut the Magus material; turn him into Guile. What were they thinking? After all these years, it's fallen a bit for me. Still one of my favorite soundtracks, but the mass amount of recruiting... it's been done better. We've seen it done better. Shout out to Suki 2
TheShadowBrigade I like emil cause he's a wimp that tries and often fails , Martha is more of the hero stereotype than he is .And that's why I like him he's unconventional and fun to me. I'm used to JYB he comes with liking only jrpg games so his performance doesn't affect me really.
It took me a long long time, but I finally finished Arcana. I have no idea what happened to the cart afterwards. Lagoon annoyed me because the weapon was so short. I've used slog to describe a game before, haha.
Mine's are Chrono Trigger and Tales of the Abyss. Chrono Trigger's pretty good, but it doesn't really drag me in like it does with other people. I haven't even finished Tales of the Abyss, it just didn't feel as exciting as I thought it would be. I might try to replay it again when I feel like it.
You're not alone. A little while ago, I was in the mood for an RPG, and after hearing about how great Chrono Trigger was for years, I figured I'd give it a try. It simply didn't do anything for me. I didn't care about the setting, the characters, the plot, the battle system, or anything else. None of it was outright bad. It just didn't pull me in like I was really hoping it would. I played it for hours before having to just accept I wasn't going to like it.
You have to remember, Chrono Trigger was a product of it's time. When it came out, it blew everyone away.. but even great games like that can age over time, especially with new generations of gamers who aren't accustomed to "going backwards" in terms of retro gaming.
neoasura Yeah. Even though I'm not as impressed by it, I owe a lot to Chrono Trigger for how it changed RPGs for the better. Besides, I never said I didn't like it, just that I wasn't as wowed by it. I consider it "great", but not amazing.
Whenever people talk to me about "hardest game ever," I negate all of their responses and direct them to Might and Magic: Gates to Another World. That game is stupid hard. There are areas where you have to take a highly specific route to procure an item and if you step out of that route, your party is completely wiped out, causing you to have to make a brand new party. As a result I never finished that game and I never will.
So, for the NA release of 7th Saga Enix actually slowed down, significantly, the exp and money rate from combat. Furthermore they reduced the stat gain bonuses from higher levels too. The gains were always random, but every 10 levels your min and max stat gains for every stat increased by 1. Worse, they didn't remove those values for the other apprentices if you fought them, which is why they could be near impossible to beat them. That said, I still love 7th Saga.
Chrono trigger. Man I really tried. Many things were totally unacceptable - kazzilion endings, I'm forced to leave some of characters aside, getting stuck by not knowing where to go, everything seems seen already, etc. If there is no nostalgic value and you played many rpgs, this game is just meh and tiresome. I just could not get myself to care. Forced myself to spend like 25 hours in it, because it is a classic I must complete, or at least be familiar with, got to the late game and dropped. Not interested, don't care. Currently playing Dragon Quest 8, as one of Your videos suggested. There are many flaws, like grinding and such, but I get this game, I'm in it, I like it no matter what.
+lauraiss lv Wait, wait, wait, how is having to grinding in an rpg a flaw? ( Unless you give more elaborate points like HCG did in this video). I can honestly respect your chrono trigger opinion, but that last part made no sense to me. Glad you like the game though! I'm a dragon quest fan myself.
+robert hebert It's just my personal opinion. I totally get, how people would enjoy multiple endings, how that adds to the replay value and such. But for me, I want to have all that game has to deliver in one setting. It's like I want to read one full story, not to discover, that there are multiple possible endings, choose Your own. Mostly I play games once. I do not want to replay 3/4 of the game, so I can just discover different animation at the end. Only way I can tolerate multiple endings, is when the whole game can be played differently. Like in Uncharted Waters, where You choose different character (piracy or trading) and that changes all the rule set and changes whole game. Would you like to see a LOTR trilogy, where third part is choice from 5? Beginning with one, where everyone becomes dwarf lords and ending with one, where whole story is just a program implanted in Neo's mind? Me - not.
+Afig24 I have never played game with requirement to grind, except for some MMORPGs. It's new to me. I do not see how that adds to the game value, it's just a repetitive actions to prolong game play hours. But I'm starting to feel it, may be that is the way player is forced to appreciate the achievements. Not the coolest thing tho, today it would be hard to explain to younger audiences (or me), where is the fun in that. But the story and execution of cinematics is amazing.
Hmmm well you must be very talented in the strategic aspects of RPGs because I have always had to grind to advance beyond many points in older games haha. Props to you my man. I do love the dedicated hard work feeling after grinding hard and accomplishing something, but yeah I do agree it does get repetitive fairly quickly at times. Especially if you are just getting into battles because you want to steal/drop that certain rare item in order to alchemise it. Shit gets so old you're not even happy anymore when you finally get it.
You have to grind in 7th Saga, that’s for sure. If you read the manual, you’d learn that you have to defend-attack. Weird mechanic but it’s seriously the only way to beat it.
I did a full playthrough of Arcana on my channel gosh like, 4 years ago now, and I remember the most annoying thing about it was that there was no button to strafe left and right when walking around in the dungeons.. >.< So everywhere you went, you'd have to turn and then take a step EVERYWHERE if you wanted to fill out the entire map and that just felt like a slog.
FFX. Insufferable character, horrible writing and dialogue with even worse voice acting. I did like the Sphere Grid tho.. almost everything else.. lol no.
It was actually the other way around, Johnny. Penfold had Hydlide and I never played it (that's still true to this day). I bought Super Hydlide during the same U.S. trip that I bought Mystic Defender. Since I'd never played the first Hydlide, I had no idea how it dealt with weight/encumbrance (I'm assuming it did; again, I never played the original). So I grinded at the beginning to get enough money to buy some sweet armor. I was so proud of myself! When I exited the shop, I literally couldn't move my character. I had no idea why, I just knew that my dream of loving this new RPG was shattered. That's been a running joke between Johnny and I for YEARS now... Much later (this century in fact), I did go back and finish Super Hydlide - but it wasn't enough to erase the brain stink of that first day playing it as a kid...
I really wanted to get into Phantasy Star 3. Basically I had played and liked 2, forgot where I put my genesis collection, rediscovered it, was told to try PS4, it has been blowing my friggin mind so far (doing and posting a blind ironman run), tried 2 again, liked it, then tried 3 and...just...the description sounded really cool, but even the collection said it was the black sheep but uhh...dang, that translation and bizarre music though. I might re-re-re-re-re-re-try it, but man that was jarring.
Lunar. My god I can't get into Lunar. I tried, I really did but it is just so BORING. I'm convinced the fanbase for this game consists of only people who were impressed by the PS1 cutscenes. I just don't get it.
People are going to rage at me but whatever. I tried and tried to get into FF IX and FF VI, couldn't do it. I would keep going back to them because people would say how amazing they are but I found them boring and couldn't get hooked. To each their own, I guess.
ff ix was odd, there were so many missables (annoying), so many minigames for the missables (annoying) and combat system was broken i'm sure it was great, but it wasn't fun
I've tried, unsuccessfully, to like the entire genre over the past several years! I intently listen and become entranced by something like your Phantasy Star review and think this will be it, it has to be, but it never is. I simply can't connect :(. As for the ones you're mentioning here, I get what you are asserting, that they're missing something, the "je ne sais quoi" that elevates the game to something truly special. I've been looking for it across consoles & celebrated series (e.g. Final Fantasies, P. Star, Chronos, Shining Forces) and have yet to find it within the genre. Excuse the rant, love your videos.
When I saw the box for 7th saga at the start I was like "nooooo!" I get it's a slog and very tough but it's one of my all time faves. Infact it was opening into RPGs, guess it goes to show how different ppl have different tastes
Final Fantasy 13 was the first final fantasy game that I ever bought and I tried so hard to love it and put a whole lot of hours into it. Take a wild guess how THAT went.
I had this issue with NieR. It looked cool, and I got it for a great price, but after a few hours I never went back. I also have this issue with Valkyria Chronicles. It's just so long for a battle! Great video as always Johnny. I've actually recorded a HappyConsoleGamer-related video, and I'll be sure to share it when it's done.
7th Saga, you really have to do defend -> attack, every time, or defend -> magic. I liked the challenge of it and being able to pick multiple allies. Dragon Warrior 2. I tried, but it's such a grind. And a giant world with only the vaguest idea of how to explore it or where to go. The first one was grindy too, but the first one was much shorter. I can appreciate that it was a huge improvement over 1, but I still can't like it. Three was awesome, though, and I don't dislike any of the others.
Final Fantasy Tactics...the plot is great, but between the archaic combat that makes pre-Awakening Fire Emblem look easy: enemies level up with Ramza, so everyone else is underleveled, balls hard job system, you can't cancel a move if you're out of range, no mid battle save, not to mention every guest character's story ends when they join the party (SF3, FE13, Wachenroder, etc have much more fleshed out side characters.) And the translation is either engrish shakspearian, not normal English. To a lesser extent, Bravely Default.
Mine have to be either Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World or Final Fantasy X-2. Dawn of the New World reminded me more of a fan service game rather than a proper game. The original cast not being able to level properly and the way it was written did not feel like a tales game to me, don't even mention having to make certain choices to be able to access new game plus as I consider the grade shop is a staple of the tales series, and flashbacks of things that happened less than 5 minutes ago. X-2 once again felt like fan service and I hated the dress sphere combat.
Lunar Dragon Song. Although I played it through to the end, what a joke that was. I bought it knowing it had a bad rap but I figured critics were being dumb because how can you mess up a great game like Lunar? But lo and behold, they did it... sadness
Guardians Crusade - I remember it being in a display case in computer exchange, it was about £10 more than all the other titles and it was there for months, not really any internet back then and I had never heard of it but I had bought Alundra on a whim and loved that so I thought I would roll the dice. It was probably back in that display case within the week.
Ultima exodus for the nes! It was the first rpg party based game that i got and played and it made me weary of rpgs that were based on a party system, like final fantasy or phantasy star. My purchase of phantasy star 4 changed my opinion about party based rpgs. Ultima exodus wasn't your typical rpg of grinding and leveling. It is a totally different type of game. I've seen playthroughs of the game and it's a very fascinating game to this day.
Boy, I bought the German big box version of Secret of Evermore because I expected it to be like Terranigma, a fantastic JRPG released in Japan and PAL regions for the SNES. When I first played Secret of Evermore I was disappointed to the point that I cried like a baby because I had just spent 150DM (like 70USD) on a game I hated. It was so tough for me to get into it. That said about two years later I picked it up again and started playing. Eventually I grasped the concept of a little grinding at the beginning of the game and really fell in love with it. The environments were gorgeous and I liked the grim story. I didn't finish the game back then because I got stuck at some point. I kept going back and finally, ten years after buying the game, I finished the game on my first save and I still remember most parts of the story even today :-)
Loved that battle music from Arcana, though. And a lot of the music in Super Hydlide.
+Game Sack I'll give you the music is pretty good!
+Game Sack Love Game Sack absolutely hate Super Hydlide.
come back Game Sack! We love you
+Game Sack We've missed your video last weekend!
+Game Sack never found one I really liked. They all made me want to take a nap.
"The Answer" part of Persona 3 lol.
I'd put good money that Final Fantasy 13 will be on almost everyone's list!
Eric Durant it was a just a terrible product. It feels like the game is playing you
No, cause it's actually fun. 12 on the other hand? Mega boring combat with fetch quest focus
FF 13 made me put my X Box 360 away and give up on it completely.
7th Saga was one of those games I loved quite a bit when it came out. I even beat it twice with two different heroes... There are very few JRPGs I have actually liked so much I went through it twice. I am sure it doesn't hold-up today, but I liked it back then. Enix was one of my favorite companies in the day.
Oh there were a bunch... Quest 64, Lord of the Rings for SNES, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Baten Kaitos (which I really need to try again sometime), the list really goes on...
You didn't like Baten Kaitos?! Yes you really need to give that one a second chance Derek.
+Ponaru yeah, I had very high expectations at the time and the card thing turned me off. this was a very long time ago though. I think my experience will be different next time around.
+SuperDerek RPGs I too was turned off by the card system at first, but the more I played the more I fell in love with it. I can see how its not a game for everyone though.
+SuperDerek RPGs I was really enjoying Quest 64. But at the time I was renting it from Block Buster. Remember when that was a thing. So I never got too far in the game. I always wanted to go back and complete it. I could see why you don't like the game. I had some mix feelings about it and it was nowheres close to as good as Ocarina of Time. I think the fact that I never finished it is what makes me really curious about it.
+SuperDerek RPGs I actually enjoyed Quest 64. I don't know why but I played through that whole game.
I am a fan of the “Tales of” series but I never got into Tales of Symphonia , I spend around 10 hrs and dropped it
This is the tale of EVERY RPG I TRIED, except FF6, Chrono Trigger and Fallout 3.
have you played fallout 1 and/or 2 when you say fallout 3 - alot of people did start with fo3, so thought id ask
@@bladekemp1765 Fallout 3 is the only game I played on the franchise (if you don't count The Outer Worlds, which I also dropped midway through).
Aditionally, I played The Witcher 3 to the end after I wrote this comment, but I consider it more of an action-adventure game than an RPG tbh.
@@PetrisonRocha yeah i wouldnt count the outer worlds - fallout 1 and 2 (gameplay is practically identical) are incredible, in my top 5 definitely
@@bladekemp1765 I never had contact with them, but I'd hardly be able to get interested on them today, because of graphics and camera perspective. Too dated. I dropped even Disco Elysium after less than an hour because of this.
@@PetrisonRocha oh well yeah, fuckin mug it off then - there is an overhaul mod in progress of turning new vegas into fallout 1 - the effort is admirable, unfortunately the mod has been ongoing for so long now that new vegas looks shit aswell
This would have been a perfect vid to recount the epic story of Johnny vs Beyond the Beyond!
Final Fantasy XIII
I tried, really tried
same here
I've been there since XII
FF XIII and IV did this to me.
Faxanadu for NES. That game was hard as hell, damn. I wanted to get into so badly, because the game has wonderful music, great graphics, and for what I could tell a decent story. But the brutality of the game was just too damn much for my twelve year old self. I should really try this again someday.
Witcher 2 and Fable III were big ones for me.
+VolkswagenGamer Same thing for witcher 2,at first.The something happened one day and It just clicked and felt right.Been a fan of the series ever since xD.Fable3...can't believe how this falled so low since I was a huge fan of lost chapters.Never understood how they could fuck these games so bad...
+VolkswagenGamer Yeah Witcher 2 is one for me. I just played through DarkSouls2 though, so my standards for gameplay were much higher. Plus Geralt is way too cheesy and generic of a character for me to get into
+VolkswagenGamer Witcher 2 is just amazing.... I dont know how you couldnt like it but to each his own.
+VolkswagenGamer Fable III was a fucking let down, i loved 2, was nice game, but 3 was just... ugh
+VolkswagenGamer Fable 3 was a GIANT PIECE OF SH*T !! What a major let down !
Secret of Mana. I just don't like having to recharge my attack with every strike in order to hit somebody at full power.
I'm pretty open-minded about every RPG I played, but one series I'm trying to like is the Persona series. I can't stand the high-school setting, the dating sim mechanics, and just about all of the characters. The music is amazing, but everything else just doesn't click with me :(
Honestly, this series was hard for me to transition into, as well. I came from SMT: Nocturne, and the dating sim aspect put me off of Persona at first. Just stick with it for a couple of months (in-game, of course) and the gameplay will start to become second nature to you. In no time at all, you'll find yourself planning out all your social links for the coming days without even thinking about it.
I hate everything about personal 3 and 4 except for the game engines, I don't understand why people hail them as the best rpgs of all time
***** Well, not ALL of the music; not a fan of the battle music with the singing.
zane Like I said, it has a great engine, just the overall setting and characters are way too japanese high school- ish. Those games are not for everyone
+roketfingers So I guess you prefer a plain old cookie cutter RPG with bland characters and no character development?
This guy has worked hard at building his channel but what helps the most is the good voice for making videos. Can't learn that.
Hmmmm. One Christmas when I was like 8 years old my dad tried his darndest to pick me up Dragon Ball Final Bout but games like that were much more difficult to locate so he got me a few other games that Christmas instead.
Namely one called Beyond the Beyond. To this day I have a certain degree of fondness for it, but at the same time I recall just one liking it very much at all. I also had a gameshark back then and I used it to super overpower my characters. This caused me to get stuck in a never ending loop within a battle I was supposed to lose, but the enemy couldn’t kill my characters hahaha
@Ben Russell Yeah, it was very generic. Kinda cool tho, in a weird way.
Rogue Galaxy is a game that could be called "generic" in terms of how it has such a by the numbers cast and situations/scenarios. Yet Rogue Galaxy is also an awesome game, which Beyond the Beyond is not lol
@Ben Russell Definitely one worth playing, very grindey and long but there's a lot there and it was a juggernaut of a game on the PS2. Take care man! Also, XCom on PSX was a classic, I still have it on Steam too.
I love your vids, man. They bring back great childhood memories.
Maybe "Immortal" on the Sega Genesis. Still find it to be a great visually looking game, but is was just too difficult for me at the time. A couple of months ago I saw a walkthrough of the game and it still seemed to be too dificult a game :)
That's I think the only RPG-ish kinda game that I've never completed and I've played a lot of RPG's like:
Sega Master System: Golvellius: Valley Of Doom, Golden Axe Warrior, Mirracle Warriors: Seal Of The Dark Lord, etc.
Sega Megadrive / Genesis: Sword Of Vermillion, Dungeons & Dragons, Shining Force I & II, Shining In The Darkness, The Story Of Thor, Landstalker, Flashback (dunno if you can call that an RPG?!), etc.
NES: Castlevania II: Simon's Quest, Zelda, The Legend Of Zelda, Zelda II: The Adventure Of Link, etc.
SNES: Zelda: A Link To The Past, Secret Of Mana, etc.
The struggle is real with anything Zelda.....
Man, it's too bad that you couldn't enjoy Arcana. I really like that one!
- Andrew
King's Field. Just went on and on trying to figure out the secrets.
+Tomyboyization I so tried to get into that too....
+Tomyboyization King's Field eventually led to Demon's Souls.
+pjomayo just because they reused a bunch of highly outdated assets dosent mean it lead to deamons souls. kings field is complete shit in all versions, and the world would be better had it never existed.
+Tetra Digm FromSoft themselves acknowledges King's Field as the spirtual ancestor to Demon's.It;s just not a obvious as the connection between Demons and Dark Souls.King's Field 2 and 3 were great..KF 1 is a bit whiffy now but it had great atmosphere.
LOVED KF2-4 but 1 GARBAGE
I loved the 7th Saga, it was more like a Strategy RPG than the rest because of the character selections.
Final Fantasy 12. I tried and tried and man I can go through with it
*cant
I agree, however the gambit system helps a lot
I actually didn't like the zodiac thingy lol
+DJSonic1
Beat it. You didn't miss anything. XII is where final fantasy started to go wrong. XIII is where it hit rock bottom.
+AnUnnamed3vil lol oh yea. I played ff13, got to the part where close to the end where you do all those missions on a wild planet, and I though "wow I actually do give a shit what happens with this story" and stopped. autoplay bs....
Bravely Default, it got to the point where I felt like I was just fast forwarding the battles just to get from point A to point B.
that game for me was Tales of Zestiria
I havent played it enough but it seems that would happen to me also :(
yeah, like it's not engaging enough
Oh man I agree with that one.... I put maybe 15 hours into Tales of Zestiria and just quit.... I just couldn't get into the story or care about the characters
play berseria ull look at zesty in a new light
BioHazarD Agreed man, I'm a massive Tales fan, but my god was Zestiria terrible, I don't know if I've ever had a game that disappointed me more than Zestiria, thank lord for Berseria washing out the bad taste TOZ left in my mouth
Eye of the Beholder on the SNES, cart only, was the bane of my childhood :(
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, FFX-2, FFXII, FFXIII, The Last Story & Bravely Default. FFTA because of the law system, that was annoying. FFXII people like but I didn't, the characters (Basch might of been ok), the story and the way they changed the gameplay. FFX-2 & FFXIII make fun of themselves, so nothing to say there. The Last Story, played a few hours and didn't care for the characters or the clunky battle system that's trying to be like a western game. And let's not forget Bravely Default, it was an awesome game! Battle system was back to being awesome for an RPG, music was good, characters were so-so (you could do worse), job system and customization like setting percentage of random battles were terrific (that's how you do a random battle style RPG). But what ruins the entire thing you may ask??? Having to do the game over and over and over and over and over and over and over again! It's what killed it for me!!! Also the story wasn't anything special.
I was looking forward to Time and Eternity because it seemed so different from other RPG's at that time. When I started playing the game I enjoyed the some of the characters and parts of the gameplay, but the game moved at such a slow pace that I couldn't get into it.
Final Fantasy 8 and Fallout 4. Great games, but i couldn't get into it.
+Rob Snow agree
totally agree with fallout 4
+Rob Snow Put only 4 hours into fallout 4 it got boring. FF8 couldn't get into it as well.
+Rob Snow Death to draw magic.
mazdaplz
I'm with you man. I hated almost everything about 8. Such a let down for me.
I loved The 7th Saga. The stories were really good, and it was the first game I owned that multiple endings.
An rpg I was excited to play and let me down? Kingdom Hearts Re: Coded
same for me, but for the whole franchise lol 😂😂
i totally agree with 7th saga. and oh god when your trying to find recruits it gets insane. battling for the signs or whatever they were so you could actually fight and damage the last boss ughhh
My first RPG I had ever played was on a mega drive system, called Rings Of Power.. in the beginning I hated it, but it grew on me.. have you played it ?
your opening 20 seconds sums up my feelings on Fallout 4 perfectly.
For me it's every Bethesda RPG.
Agreed
i'm sorry you must feel a bit alone man
Skyrim makes me sleep.
For as much as I liked Skyrim, I can’t seem to remember anything about it. The story was totally forgettable. The game mechanics haven’t aged well, it is a game of its moment and that’s it.
Fallout 3 is a literal classic. Oblivion is decent too.
7th saga was the most brutal level grind I've ever played. Grind to achieve anything in that damn game. At least with games like Phantasy Star the grind ends after the initial grind.
JOHNNY the RPGs i love the most are :
phantasy star universe
infinite undiscovery
magna carta 2
holy cow those are the best japanese action RPGs on the xbox 360
especially phantasy star universe it was amazing
delorean lover
me too man i was really sad when servers shut down in 2012
Tchitchouan Inouane
phantasy star clementine servers are te future
delorean lover
i know hopefully they will run smooth and people will get back to it
+Tchitchouan Inouane Infinite Undiscovery was good - minus the VO on the MC (sept for the part in the game when he gets pissed) I should replay it so I can unlock the last party member. Lost Odyssey was the first game I bought when I got me 360 (pre-FF with freaking amazing OST)
Personally I really liked The 7th Saga. I really liked how it changes views in battle. I can understand that it is a grindy game but I enjoyed it.
Radiata Stories. Got it for my birthday, so excited. I could not care less about that game.
weird I connected pretty hard with that game
That's fair. I liked the choice split at the end of the game, I just found it otherwise very generic feeling.
Game name sounds familiar but remember nothing of the game
:( thats one of my favorite games
Rickem was one my absolute fav but I understand. Its a very basic game on surface.
"Sees video. Clicks link. Eyes fall on Arcana." Yup.
Final Fantasy X
FF7 was my first RPG and I loved it and played through it and beaten the final boss by accident.
FF8 was also pretty much ok... never beaten it, but maybe some time
FF9 was also great. Loved the chars and the whole story, but at the end, I gave up... was a time, where I never really grinded and just got underleveled through the story, mashing "attack"... xD
FF10 was just uninteresting. Maybe cause I hated the beach-boy looking main char and the lack of an overworld killed it for me.
And... the stupid... ball... minigame... (loved the card-battles so much more).
that is my exact same experience with Final Fantasy series. Really wanted to finish 9 but couldn't do it.
Have you tried the SNES ones what did u think of 6?
Yall just the type to not finish games.
slog
verb
1. work hard over a period of time.
2. hit forcefully and typically wildly, especially in boxing.
noun
a spell of difficult, tiring work or traveling.
this is gonna piss alot of people off but im just cant get into the final fantasy games
I loved 7th Saga. Lots of interesting characters imo. It's different for sure though. For me it was bravely default. Not that it was bad, it was good, just overwhelming amounts of things to do. Burned me out
Shining in the darkness; I found the dungeons very frustrating, which was a shame as the game itself was well presented, and very popular. I just couldn't get into it.
Final Fantasy VIII; I absolutely hated all the random encounters as you moved across the map. It put me off any RPG incorporating the random battle mechanic.
+Steve Dalzell It's funny I agree with you on Shining in the darkness! that was one game I was going to put in as well :)
:D
+HappyConsoleGamer SitD is great if you have a map handy.
+Acierer back in the day I didn't...
+HappyConsoleGamer You've got to be REALLY keen to buy a pad of graph paper, and carefully plot every dungeon.
Alas, I had no patience, and played Shining Force 2 instead.
:)
Though it was quite recent, for me it was Final Fantasy IX. I always loved the style from an AMV I saw many years ago and finally could get to play it on game pass. I loved the story, the characters (Zidane not so much) but what I think killed it for me were the ATB battle system and the camera. I just can't get used to that style of battle system, and the camera is sometimes on weird angles that makes it uncomfortable.
One game comes to mind for me, and it's considered to be one of the greatest RPG's of all time to most. I'll never understand why that is. Anyway, the game is Chrono Cross. Chrono Trigger was absolute perfection, and so I was really, really looking forward to this. I didn't bother renting it first like I normally would have. I thought to myself "Why bother? It's the sequel to freakin' Chrono Trigger, of course it's going to be incredible!" Imagine my horror when I stuck it in my PS1 and quickly discovered that everything that made Chrono Trigger so amazing had been chucked out the window. The fantastic battle system had been replaced with a new shitty one, the fantastic characters were replaced with loads of very unlikable new ones, and the very innovative, cool, and exciting time travel gimmick was replaced with a boring parallel world. I've always really wanted to like it, so every once in a blue moon I'll pick it back up and give it another go. Unfortunately, I never get far before giving up on it. Playing that game is like torture for me. I feel the same way that most people do when they play Action 52.
I'm so lucky I played Chrono Cross first. I was so amazed by that game. The thought of going back and forth worlds, changing characters showing them items and such. That was amazing for me and then I played Trigger and it blew my mind lol. It was the perfect jrpg
j06 The thing is, they still could have made almost exactly the same game without it being a Chrono Trigger sequel, and that's what they should have done. Apparently they don't believe in the popular saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I dunno, I always found Chrono Cross to be the more compelling game.
James Pedid Well, you're certainly not the only one who thinks that way about it. That's fine. I have nothing against the people who think it's one of the greatest games ever, I just very, very much disagree.
I cant think of an RPG I had high hopes for but was disappointed, however I recently bought a turn based JRPG released about a week ago that I thought I'd hate, but because so many JRPG fans I know love it I got a copy. Turns out it's the best new game I played in 2016 so far. This game being Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth.
Me with Dragon Age Inquisition, sadly.
I recently bought DAI for my ps4 and I cannot seem to get into it at all
+Andrew Lukan You aren't alone, the initial reaction was positive but it got a mixed reception. It just has too much side content that feels like MMO-style filler.
THAT SAID, those are all optional and feel free to skip them. The best way to play it is in fact to skip the side stuff. I think you will enjoy it much more as a result.
+Mo_ Musashi_28 origins is objectively the best Dragon Age game
I dont get how it won goty against a much better rpg like Divinity: Original Sins. DAI felt empty and barebones.
All you need is a red bandanna, and you are dressed as Claude Kenni from Star Ocean 2.
Star ocean 3 and Chrono Cross are 2 that have done this to me
I'm about to beat trigger and play cross. What exactly is it you didn't like? Most reviews are mixed saying the gameplay is good but the story isn't too good.
I played through 7th Saga.I look back and wonder how I did it.
Final Fantasy VII, just could never get into it.
+II DIRECTx II When did you play it and how old were you?
+chunkymonkey Last year, bought it from the PlayStation Store to play on my Vita. Never got around to playing it before on the original PlayStation. On having a Vita not not a huge amount of games to play on it I decided it was the right time to play this game. The only other Final Fantasy game I have played was FFX on the PS2 and not bring able to get into that back then I was a bit skeptical if I would be able to get into FFVII. While it was a lot better then X it still didn't really gel with me, not really sure why. I still have it on my Vita so will probably try it again at some point. I do tend to prefer RPG's like Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic and the Mass Effect trilogy. Think it might be the heavy Japanese sense of humor that's usually in the Final Fantasy game's that doesn't sit well with me. I do like the look of the early FF games on Super Nintendo, have heard FF6 is brilliant.
+chunkymonkey Oh boy here we go. Direct is going to reply that they were between the ages of 8-13 and they played it back when FFX came out and they actually enjoyed that game and then you are going to go through a long and drawn out tirade on why every other FF is inferior to FFVII and that he needs to play it again because Cloud is in it and Cloud is "awesome", *yawn*. Same old shit pretty much.
VideoGameStupid LC top kek. Nah, I was genuinely curious about what he would have to say. Yeah, FF7 was the first FF I played and nostalgia plays a part in why I like it but I recognize that it has flaws and there were some pretty big translation errors that made Sephiroth's origins a bit confusing in the English version. My favorite FF is probably 9, anyway.
You were saying?
II DIRECTx II I think 6 and 9 are better than 7. But yeah, Japanese humor can be a dealbreaker. I found that as I got older my tolerance for weeb shit diminished.
I buy whole series of games that I never play. Tales, Hyperdemension, Wild Arms, the list goes on and on. As an adult I find I enjoy owning games more than playing them.
World of Warcraft and DC Universe Online.
The Legend of Legacy 3ds payed full price but the mechanics needed to be streamlined had a lot of potential :(
Wasn't the biggest fan of Legend Of Dragoon, all my friends over praised it at the time and I thought it was going to epic and amazing... it's alright just very over rated and honestly kind of bland story wise, defiantly not what I had pictured in my head of what everyone was talking aboot
+Kenny Corrigal ya, the legend of dragoon definitely isn't the best of its time, but I was all over that game as a kid as it was one of the earliest rpg games I got to play
funny you say that b/c i went into that game w/ zero expectations,only thing i heard prior was "oh yeah its good" and i ended up loving it
unfortunately,you fell victim to having high expectations due to people praising it [like i did w/ ocarina of time],that's something to keep in mind,always go into a game w/ mild expectations or you're going to end up disappointed
+Kenny Corrigal It's funny 'cause I bought It back on psn store and still love that game to death.I really love the story,the design and the combat mechanic.At the end of the day,It's all mattred of opinions But It was funny for me to see that we're like the yin and the yang on this subject hahaha :).
Not sure how it was "overrated" it was a good game for its time, not great but good. Just because your friends loved it doesn't mean it was overrated at all, just that it was something you didn't like.
You hit the nail on the head with 7th Saga! That game was released when I was in elementary school. I remember reading the Nintendo Power articles about it and it looked so amazing. I fantasized about choosing what hero, and what friends they would party with due to their alignment. I never got it, but I never forgot. I picked it up off ebay 4 years ago when I was 30. To finally realize my dream. and I just couldn't get into it. Like you said. You walk out of town and get owned by one monster, then you have to go heal. After 10 minutes you can fight 2 monster before you have to go rest. ugh. I only put about 8 hours before I gave up.
Valkyrie Chronicles. I know everyone praises this game and I can honestly see why, but... I just couldn't love it. I love the art and the diverse characters you get, but I was not a fan of the battle system and the character animations were so bland in comparison to other games... I may give it another shot soon, but I dunno...
oh, and Final Fantasy 13. there was so much mixed criticism of this game that I just had to get it. and while I really loved the graphics, loved the scenery, enjoyed the gameplay, I just couldn't get invested into the story of the characters. I couldn't CARE for any of them. I didn't care whether they lived or died, which was a HUGE difference from playing Final Fantasy 10 or 12.
The combat and characters were just so meh, levels took too long to beat than I actually cared to play it for as well haha
I remember renting 7th Saga a few times, and enjoyed it enough to finish it twice, once with Lux and with the blue fighter guy. I imagine if I went back to play it I wouldn't enjoy it so much.
I'm going to be persecuted for this blasphemy. I couldn't connect with Final Fantasy III (VI).
I was brought into RPGs during the commodore 64 era, with gems like Ultima, Questron, and Legacy of the Ancients. The SNES blew my mind when I picked it up with Final Fantsy II (IV). I played the heck out of that game, beating it many times. Despite the upgrade in graphics and some wonderful music, the game was a total SLOG ( ! ) for me. I didn't like how long it held my hand, I didn't like how often it forced me to it's linear path, I didn't like how often it forced me to switch characters.
I'm ashamed to say, I put it down and have never beaten it.
Honestly same , I loved ff7, ff9 , ff10 , and even ff8. But I just couldn’t connect with ff6 for some reason.
Your opening statement perfectly PERFECTLY describes my history with the PS1 version of Dragon Quest VII. I wanted to love it so badly... but I just couldn't get into it no matter how hard I tried.
"Arc the lad"was the game I tried but couldn't get into lol
Same thing happened to me with Xenoblade. I played the campaign four times, put 600 hours into it, created a walkthrough on the internet for it, bought all of the merchandise associated with game (still have it in my room), developed a mtg-style trading card game based on the characters and enemies, and after all of that something just didn't click with the game for me. Oh well.
Tales of Xillia.
Really tried to like it... even forced myself to play it atleast halfway in (I think).
Man, that game is uninspiring and dull!
+Don Makaveli It was the Tales game that finally wore out my interest in the series. Uninspiring and dull indeed.
+Don Makaveli THANK YOU ! Yeah i hated it also ! But i forced myself to the end....Oh man what a waste that game was.
Same here. Tales of Xillia was interesting, but I couldn't get into the combat. I found that I wasn't watching the game, bit was watching just for the combo icons to appear and it was a letdown. Funny thing is I liked most everything else about it, except Teepo.
+Don Makaveli If you want to try a tales games, then try tales of the tempest on the ds. I dare you.
+David Alvarez It was my first and last Tales game. I guess they don't make JRPGs like they did back in the SNES/PS1 days.
"Slog" is a word, Maribel uses it to describe the journey from Pilchard Bay to Estard in Dragon Quest VII. idk why I remembered that xD pretty obscure gaming reference right there! :D
Ni No Kuni. Loved the artwork, music, etc but couldn't get into the battle system. Very disappointed because I was really excited when I first saw it.
I remember playing Might and Magic 2 way back in the day on my friend's family Macintosh. It ran in a small window and it was in black and white. It was head and shoulders above any other rpg I had played up to this point despite it's shortcomings. I had a gold box game on the C64 (Curse of the Azure Bonds) and stuff like FF1 and Dragon Warrior on the Nintendo. MM2 blew them all away with it's complexity and difficulty. The Mac also had the ability to reproduce almost cd quality music and sound effects which I had never heard up until that point.
MM2 has such a rich and strange world it pulled me in. The genesis version is close to the Mac version but the PC version is pretty flat. What I wouldn't give to get my hands on the Mac version.
I was really hyped for Ninokuni before its release, preordered the collector's edition and everything... I love ghibli, I love level 5... How could this go wrong?
I never finished it... It just... Bored me... Maybe the most disappointing game I've ever played...
+Hawk Enroth same, but my brother love it tho. he called it ghibli's pokemon.
Soon, the combat in Ni No Kuni becomes easy to master and the options in battle open up. fantastic game.
+Hawk Enroth I agree, even after the finishing the game, I felt nothing spectacular about it, it was so bland and too childish for me. It's ridiculous how over hyped that game was on release, and the amazing scores that it got from all gaming sites. The game put me in check, making me realize I must be getting old or something if it's such a loved title, it was so mediocre to me.
+Hawk Enroth I loved Ni no Kuni, but the game really is a bit of a mess, though it feels like the PS3 version was very rushed. The original DS one is way better.
May be a late response, but I never finished it either, I think the story draaaaaged.
Chronic Cross did a lot right, but I'll never understand the decision to cut the Magus material; turn him into Guile. What were they thinking? After all these years, it's fallen a bit for me. Still one of my favorite soundtracks, but the mass amount of recruiting... it's been done better. We've
seen it done better. Shout out to Suki 2
Tales of symphonia symphonia 1 for me. I really tried to like it, but playing the game I just got more annoyed by it.
+Jun Kurosu Same here.
That is easily one of my all time favorite games. Guess that goes to show different strokes and all that.
TheShadowBrigade I like tales of symphonia dawn of the new world, but symphonia 1 annoys me.
Jun Kurosu See... I am the exact opposite. I hate Emil as a character. JYB's performance kills me. Couldn't get more than 5 hours in.
TheShadowBrigade I like emil cause he's a wimp that tries and often fails , Martha is more of the hero stereotype than he is .And that's why I like him he's unconventional and fun to me. I'm used to JYB he comes with liking only jrpg games so his performance doesn't affect me really.
It took me a long long time, but I finally finished Arcana. I have no idea what happened to the cart afterwards. Lagoon annoyed me because the weapon was so short. I've used slog to describe a game before, haha.
Mine's are Chrono Trigger and Tales of the Abyss. Chrono Trigger's pretty good, but it doesn't really drag me in like it does with other people. I haven't even finished Tales of the Abyss, it just didn't feel as exciting as I thought it would be. I might try to replay it again when I feel like it.
Really? Chrono Trigger is one of the best RPG's of all time I have playing through it like 2-3 times.
VvNeo2000vV I guess it has something to do with me not growing up with it. It's really good, but I honestly like other RPGs more.
You're not alone. A little while ago, I was in the mood for an RPG, and after hearing about how great Chrono Trigger was for years, I figured I'd give it a try. It simply didn't do anything for me. I didn't care about the setting, the characters, the plot, the battle system, or anything else. None of it was outright bad. It just didn't pull me in like I was really hoping it would. I played it for hours before having to just accept I wasn't going to like it.
You have to remember, Chrono Trigger was a product of it's time. When it came out, it blew everyone away.. but even great games like that can age over time, especially with new generations of gamers who aren't accustomed to "going backwards" in terms of retro gaming.
neoasura Yeah. Even though I'm not as impressed by it, I owe a lot to Chrono Trigger for how it changed RPGs for the better. Besides, I never said I didn't like it, just that I wasn't as wowed by it. I consider it "great", but not amazing.
Whenever people talk to me about "hardest game ever," I negate all of their responses and direct them to Might and Magic: Gates to Another World. That game is stupid hard. There are areas where you have to take a highly specific route to procure an item and if you step out of that route, your party is completely wiped out, causing you to have to make a brand new party. As a result I never finished that game and I never will.
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. Hands down.
So, for the NA release of 7th Saga Enix actually slowed down, significantly, the exp and money rate from combat. Furthermore they reduced the stat gain bonuses from higher levels too. The gains were always random, but every 10 levels your min and max stat gains for every stat increased by 1. Worse, they didn't remove those values for the other apprentices if you fought them, which is why they could be near impossible to beat them. That said, I still love 7th Saga.
Chrono trigger. Man I really tried. Many things were totally unacceptable - kazzilion endings, I'm forced to leave some of characters aside, getting stuck by not knowing where to go, everything seems seen already, etc. If there is no nostalgic value and you played many rpgs, this game is just meh and tiresome. I just could not get myself to care. Forced myself to spend like 25 hours in it, because it is a classic I must complete, or at least be familiar with, got to the late game and dropped. Not interested, don't care.
Currently playing Dragon Quest 8, as one of Your videos suggested. There are many flaws, like grinding and such, but I get this game, I'm in it, I like it no matter what.
+lauraiss lv why is multiple endings unacceptable
+lauraiss lv Wait, wait, wait, how is having to grinding in an rpg a flaw? ( Unless you give more elaborate points like HCG did in this video). I can honestly respect your chrono trigger opinion, but that last part made no sense to me. Glad you like the game though! I'm a dragon quest fan myself.
+robert hebert It's just my personal opinion. I totally get, how people would enjoy multiple endings, how that adds to the replay value and such. But for me, I want to have all that game has to deliver in one setting. It's like I want to read one full story, not to discover, that there are multiple possible endings, choose Your own. Mostly I play games once. I do not want to replay 3/4 of the game, so I can just discover different animation at the end. Only way I can tolerate multiple endings, is when the whole game can be played differently. Like in Uncharted Waters, where You choose different character (piracy or trading) and that changes all the rule set and changes whole game. Would you like to see a LOTR trilogy, where third part is choice from 5? Beginning with one, where everyone becomes dwarf lords and ending with one, where whole story is just a program implanted in Neo's mind? Me - not.
+Afig24 I have never played game with requirement to grind, except for some MMORPGs. It's new to me. I do not see how that adds to the game value, it's just a repetitive actions to prolong game play hours. But I'm starting to feel it, may be that is the way player is forced to appreciate the achievements. Not the coolest thing tho, today it would be hard to explain to younger audiences (or me), where is the fun in that. But the story and execution of cinematics is amazing.
Hmmm well you must be very talented in the strategic aspects of RPGs because I have always had to grind to advance beyond many points in older games haha. Props to you my man. I do love the dedicated hard work feeling after grinding hard and accomplishing something, but yeah I do agree it does get repetitive fairly quickly at times. Especially if you are just getting into battles because you want to steal/drop that certain rare item in order to alchemise it. Shit gets so old you're not even happy anymore when you finally get it.
You have to grind in 7th Saga, that’s for sure. If you read the manual, you’d learn that you have to defend-attack. Weird mechanic but it’s seriously the only way to beat it.
FFX. I don't like the romance between Titus and Yuna. Also Tales of Zesteria. The protagonist is annoying IMO.
I did a full playthrough of Arcana on my channel gosh like, 4 years ago now, and I remember the most annoying thing about it was that there was no button to strafe left and right when walking around in the dungeons.. >.< So everywhere you went, you'd have to turn and then take a step EVERYWHERE if you wanted to fill out the entire map and that just felt like a slog.
FFX. Insufferable character, horrible writing and dialogue with even worse voice acting. I did like the Sphere Grid tho.. almost everything else.. lol no.
Glad I'm not the only one who has that opinion.
It was actually the other way around, Johnny. Penfold had Hydlide and I never played it (that's still true to this day). I bought Super Hydlide during the same U.S. trip that I bought Mystic Defender.
Since I'd never played the first Hydlide, I had no idea how it dealt with weight/encumbrance (I'm assuming it did; again, I never played the original). So I grinded at the beginning to get enough money to buy some sweet armor. I was so proud of myself! When I exited the shop, I literally couldn't move my character. I had no idea why, I just knew that my dream of loving this new RPG was shattered. That's been a running joke between Johnny and I for YEARS now...
Much later (this century in fact), I did go back and finish Super Hydlide - but it wasn't enough to erase the brain stink of that first day playing it as a kid...
Final Fantasy 13... total snoozefest.
I really wanted to get into Phantasy Star 3. Basically I had played and liked 2, forgot where I put my genesis collection, rediscovered it, was told to try PS4, it has been blowing my friggin mind so far (doing and posting a blind ironman run), tried 2 again, liked it, then tried 3 and...just...the description sounded really cool, but even the collection said it was the black sheep but uhh...dang, that translation and bizarre music though. I might re-re-re-re-re-re-try it, but man that was jarring.
Lunar. My god I can't get into Lunar. I tried, I really did but it is just so BORING. I'm convinced the fanbase for this game consists of only people who were impressed by the PS1 cutscenes. I just don't get it.
Some final fantasies and Radiata Stories come to mind...
People are going to rage at me but whatever. I tried and tried to get into FF IX and FF VI, couldn't do it. I would keep going back to them because people would say how amazing they are but I found them boring and couldn't get hooked. To each their own, I guess.
ff ix was odd, there were so many missables (annoying), so many minigames for the missables (annoying) and combat system was broken
i'm sure it was great, but it wasn't fun
I've tried, unsuccessfully, to like the entire genre over the past several years! I intently listen and become entranced by something like your Phantasy Star review and think this will be it, it has to be, but it never is. I simply can't connect :(. As for the ones you're mentioning here, I get what you are asserting, that they're missing something, the "je ne sais quoi" that elevates the game to something truly special. I've been looking for it across consoles & celebrated series (e.g. Final Fantasies, P. Star, Chronos, Shining Forces) and have yet to find it within the genre. Excuse the rant, love your videos.
When I saw the box for 7th saga at the start I was like "nooooo!" I get it's a slog and very tough but it's one of my all time faves. Infact it was opening into RPGs, guess it goes to show how different ppl have different tastes
laughed so hard at the SUPER HIGHLIGHT -edit. Thanks.
7TH Saga what got me into turn base RPGs. I remember it was hard. I got to a point in the game ,I was just dying. But I still enjoy it.
Final Fantasy 13 was the first final fantasy game that I ever bought and I tried so hard to love it and put a whole lot of hours into it. Take a wild guess how THAT went.
I had this issue with NieR. It looked cool, and I got it for a great price, but after a few hours I never went back.
I also have this issue with Valkyria Chronicles. It's just so long for a battle!
Great video as always Johnny. I've actually recorded a HappyConsoleGamer-related video, and I'll be sure to share it when it's done.
You made my day with your snatcher T-shirt xD
some games that comes to mind is Morrowind, Oblivion, eso and Fallout 3
7th Saga, you really have to do defend -> attack, every time, or defend -> magic. I liked the challenge of it and being able to pick multiple allies.
Dragon Warrior 2. I tried, but it's such a grind. And a giant world with only the vaguest idea of how to explore it or where to go. The first one was grindy too, but the first one was much shorter. I can appreciate that it was a huge improvement over 1, but I still can't like it. Three was awesome, though, and I don't dislike any of the others.
Final Fantasy Tactics...the plot is great, but between the archaic combat that makes pre-Awakening Fire Emblem look easy: enemies level up with Ramza, so everyone else is underleveled, balls hard job system, you can't cancel a move if you're out of range, no mid battle save, not to mention every guest character's story ends when they join the party (SF3, FE13, Wachenroder, etc have much more fleshed out side characters.) And the translation is either engrish shakspearian, not normal English. To a lesser extent, Bravely Default.
Mine have to be either Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World or Final Fantasy X-2. Dawn of the New World reminded me more of a fan service game rather than a proper game. The original cast not being able to level properly and the way it was written did not feel like a tales game to me, don't even mention having to make certain choices to be able to access new game plus as I consider the grade shop is a staple of the tales series, and flashbacks of things that happened less than 5 minutes ago. X-2 once again felt like fan service and I hated the dress sphere combat.
Lunar Dragon Song. Although I played it through to the end, what a joke that was. I bought it knowing it had a bad rap but I figured critics were being dumb because how can you mess up a great game like Lunar? But lo and behold, they did it... sadness
Guardians Crusade - I remember it being in a display case in computer exchange, it was about £10 more than all the other titles and it was there for months, not really any internet back then and I had never heard of it but I had bought Alundra on a whim and loved that so I thought I would roll the dice. It was probably back in that display case within the week.
Ultima exodus for the nes! It was the first rpg party based game that i got and played and it made me weary of rpgs that were based on a party system, like final fantasy or phantasy star. My purchase of phantasy star 4 changed my opinion about party based rpgs.
Ultima exodus wasn't your typical rpg of grinding and leveling. It is a totally different type of game. I've seen playthroughs of the game and it's a very fascinating game to this day.
Boy, I bought the German big box version of Secret of Evermore because I expected it to be like Terranigma, a fantastic JRPG released in Japan and PAL regions for the SNES. When I first played Secret of Evermore I was disappointed to the point that I cried like a baby because I had just spent 150DM (like 70USD) on a game I hated. It was so tough for me to get into it. That said about two years later I picked it up again and started playing. Eventually I grasped the concept of a little grinding at the beginning of the game and really fell in love with it. The environments were gorgeous and I liked the grim story. I didn't finish the game back then because I got stuck at some point. I kept going back and finally, ten years after buying the game, I finished the game on my first save and I still remember most parts of the story even today :-)