I have an Audiophile Coaxial cable and my sound is the best I have ever heard.( Regardless of price) I am waiting for my new Audiophile USB cable to arrive. It is almost irrelevant if I get better sound at this point as it really does not need improving. Having already spent over £10K on my system including getting full fibre connection through Ethernet cable frankly it is technical curiosity investing yet more on a mid range USB connection between my streamer and DAC as both are capable of 32 bits 768 Hz , so soon I'll find out if that makes a difference .
Its buffered digital. So long as the cable meets the engineering requirements for the usb standard then a "better" expensive cable will make no difference.
Hope you can help? I used Samsung phone connected with AudioQuest usbC to usb B inserted to my Denafrips external DAC, plays good and fine. Just replaced to latest Honor V3 phone and the audio becomes corrupted with intermittent oscillation type noise. What do you recommend, as a solution? Can yr Dragon usbC---- usbB cable solve it?
I can understand having a cable that’s properly suited for a specific application, but I’m yet to understand why 1’s and 0’s can be enhanced. It should either work or not. ASR did a test of USB cables and he said that length of cable was a bigger factor in results over how nice the cable was. Shorter cables performed better in his tests. I will say that typically the people saying cables don’t work have never even used one, and a lot of the people who have them say they make a difference 🤷
They can't, it's just a bunch nonsense they use to justify their absurd pricing. And of course, people who just bought a $200 will say it makes a difference. They have to say that to justify the cost.
Yes if your system is resolving enough. I didn't hear an improvement with cables until I upgraded my speakers to the GoldenEar BRX with AMT tweeters and source from compressed Spotify to Apple Music lossless. My stereo setup is $11k. USB cable: I also heard an improvement with Amazon Neo, and even more with Cardas Clear. My video: th-cam.com/video/tOkL0cxj_38/w-d-xo.html
Everyone can hear the difference, between cheap USB audio leads, and absurdly expensive ones, or high priced, high resolution music and MP3, the difference is obvious, as long as we know beforehand which we're listening to, however in blind tests, done scientifically, the results are a lot more random, even among self professed audiophiles & experts, preferences are not consistent, when based on listening alone!
If one was to order a USB cable without the power functionality, would you produce the cable with half as many wires or would you supply a normal cable and simply not terminate the power wires?
While we can build a USB cable without the connected power rails, we will use the USB cable that has 4 conductors and a braided shielding. Also, depending on the connections you are using, power may be required to allow a "handshake" between the devices, as is the case with OTG or a pull-down resistor to allow file transfer. Hope this helps! Please reach out to us here if you have any more questions: www.moon-audio.com/contact-us 🙂
Great choice! We hope the Silver Dragon USB Cable provides a stylish, reliable digital connection for years to come. 🙂 🔗 www.moon-audio.com/silver-dragon-usb-cable.html
No - this is bulk data transfer and has nothing to do with USB audio. Computers have error correction and bit perfect data transfer for this. Now your optical drive getting the data perfectly off the disk itself (before the USB cable is involved at all) is a different story and there can be issues. Software like exact audio copy have methods to ensure bit perfect lift from the CD.
Audiophile USB Cables, the cables for neither Raw Data nor Power. A Cable that is not what is supposed to do and it makes your wallet go bonkers. Silver Dragon USB Cable 200$ for 0.5ft usb cable? Even gold is cheaper.
Sorry - but what a marketing stunt... "optimized to transfer audio only". At the USB-level you have still digital-data - this is no audio or analog signal at that point in time. So this cable does not know, if the 1 and 0 it is transfering are audio or you latest holiday-pictures you an Excel-sheet. So what I understand the technical explaination is - you have a USB-cable here, which is limited to the USB 2.0 speed of 480Mbit/s - as this speed is sufficent to transfer audio-data. So a 4-pin cable... for digital-data (so it only has to distinguis between high/low 1/0) and say you need to invest sooo much in qualtiy? This is like telling you need 500$ glasses with special coating and precisely ground optical glass... to distinguish, if the light in the room is turned on or off.
"Standalone devices meant to do one thing, perform better than do it all devices." What? That's not how it works. My DAC is better at reproducing sound than my TV because it has better components. Not because it can't reproduce video. USB and the USB audio class are standards, they can't be better or worse. It either fits or it doesn't. Why would removing features make it better? My MacBook came with a USB-C (connector end) cable that only does power delivery. Is it better at delivering power than a cable that can also output data? No. Same goes for USB audio cables, assuming no damage there's no difference. If you think there is it's a placebo.
Oh my god how can you actually go on a full diatribe about the cable being insufficient for standard data transfer, insist that less connectors are good, that your cables are higher quality and then turn around and tell me your cable is 14x the price of a standard one. $10 cable - meets the full spec, has copper, works fine. $140 cable - doesn't meet the full spec(?) doesn't have copper, has silver, works the same seeing as USB transfers are ubiquitous and I've never heard of data loss from specifically copper.
You ever listen to someone trying to sell a product and then they say something that immediately removes all credibility ? 3:16... USB 2.0 is 480 megaBITS per second, not megaBYTES. Take the megaBITS and divide by 8.
All stuff and nonsense. Digital is 0's and 1's. There's no "quality of signal" tomfoolery going on at all. It works, or it doesn't. A $20, well made USB cable will work just as well as the $200+ magic sauce cable they're trying to sell you. "A fool and his money are soon parted".
it's not as simple as just '1s and 0s" tho. its all interpreted by an analog voltage that runs across the cable, and depending on the quality of the cable there can be misreads where a 1 is a 0 and a 0 is a 1 based on that voltage value. this means audio artifacting. cable length resistance, proper shielding, quality conductors - theres no "it either works or it doesnt" for hi res audio reproduction. this is a hobby of "what does it better."
@@anthonydiviolla1944 Except the USB protocol attaches a CRC to the end of each packet (unit of data). The CRC is used to validate the data. This is why you can transfer a terabyte of storage to an external hard drive without corruption.
Wow, what a bunch of waffle. 7 minutes to say "get a usb cable with least amount of pins connected that you can". That's the only thing with merit in here, rest is BS waffle. Next question is why doesn't a high end DAC manufacturer add a cable with less pins connected if it helps?? Answer is they isolate the pins at the connector on the DAC anyway if they don't want those pins connected - duh. Yes USB cables can make a difference to noise coming into the DAC, but any decent DAC manufacturer would already have that isolated. If your USB cable makes a difference it's either your brain manufacturing the difference OR it's randomly assisting or correcting a different fault.
I have an Audiophile Coaxial cable and my sound is the best I have ever heard.( Regardless of price)
I am waiting for my new Audiophile USB cable to arrive. It is almost irrelevant if I get better sound at this point as it really does not need improving. Having already spent over £10K on my system including getting full fibre connection through Ethernet cable frankly it is technical curiosity investing yet more on a mid range USB connection between my streamer and DAC as both are capable of 32 bits 768 Hz , so soon I'll find out if that makes a difference .
Mb, not MB/s. They’re different.
Its buffered digital. So long as the cable meets the engineering requirements for the usb standard then a "better" expensive cable will make no difference.
never tried you have. never mind. cheers!
Please explain to us whats different about the data transfer, beyond "higher quality". I'm interested in the science if it.
Thank you, very helpful info.
Hope you can help? I used Samsung phone connected with AudioQuest usbC to usb B inserted to my Denafrips external DAC, plays good and fine. Just replaced to latest Honor V3 phone and the audio becomes corrupted with intermittent oscillation type noise. What do you recommend, as a solution? Can yr Dragon usbC---- usbB cable solve it?
Besides "better quality" (better than what? A $2 cable) why your $200 cable works better than standard ones. What sound difference is perceivable?
I can understand having a cable that’s properly suited for a specific application, but I’m yet to understand why 1’s and 0’s can be enhanced. It should either work or not. ASR did a test of USB cables and he said that length of cable was a bigger factor in results over how nice the cable was. Shorter cables performed better in his tests. I will say that typically the people saying cables don’t work have never even used one, and a lot of the people who have them say they make a difference 🤷
They can't, it's just a bunch nonsense they use to justify their absurd pricing.
And of course, people who just bought a $200 will say it makes a difference. They have to say that to justify the cost.
ASR is correct.
The guys a fraud, if the cheapest lead gets your 0s & 1s where they need to be, then you don't need to spend any more!
Yes if your system is resolving enough. I didn't hear an improvement with cables until I upgraded my speakers to the GoldenEar BRX with AMT tweeters and source from compressed Spotify to Apple Music lossless. My stereo setup is $11k.
USB cable: I also heard an improvement with Amazon Neo, and even more with Cardas Clear.
My video: th-cam.com/video/tOkL0cxj_38/w-d-xo.html
LOL... if I spent $11k on an audio system, you can bet your ass I'd "hear" a difference too. At least, that's what I'd tell people ;)
Which usb cable black dragon or silver dragon will bring out the best in my ifi diablo 2 and my chord mojo 2?
Everyone can hear the difference, between cheap USB audio leads, and absurdly expensive ones, or high priced, high resolution music and MP3, the difference is obvious, as long as we know beforehand which we're listening to, however in blind tests, done scientifically, the results are a lot more random, even among self professed audiophiles & experts, preferences are not consistent, when based on listening alone!
If one was to order a USB cable without the power functionality, would you produce the cable with half as many wires or would you supply a normal cable and simply not terminate the power wires?
While we can build a USB cable without the connected power rails, we will use the USB cable that has 4 conductors and a braided shielding. Also, depending on the connections you are using, power may be required to allow a "handshake" between the devices, as is the case with OTG or a pull-down resistor to allow file transfer. Hope this helps! Please reach out to us here if you have any more questions: www.moon-audio.com/contact-us 🙂
Isn't usb2 480mbit/sec? That's 80mb/sec. 24-bit/192kHz file has a data rate of 9216kbps - 10mbit = 1.2 mb/sec
I just love how audio people solve problems outside of their expertise. How long before you cure cancer ??
I bought a Silver Angel USB cable to connect my Pioneer optical drive to my computer to rip my CD collection. Was that the correct choice?
Great choice! We hope the Silver Dragon USB Cable provides a stylish, reliable digital connection for years to come. 🙂
🔗 www.moon-audio.com/silver-dragon-usb-cable.html
@@moon-audio "Stylish, reliable digital connection" sounds like an advert, wonder why!
No - this is bulk data transfer and has nothing to do with USB audio. Computers have error correction and bit perfect data transfer for this. Now your optical drive getting the data perfectly off the disk itself (before the USB cable is involved at all) is a different story and there can be issues. Software like exact audio copy have methods to ensure bit perfect lift from the CD.
No. Just use the free one
Audiophile USB Cables, the cables for neither Raw Data nor Power. A Cable that is not what is supposed to do and it makes your wallet go bonkers.
Silver Dragon USB Cable 200$ for 0.5ft usb cable? Even gold is cheaper.
Sorry - but what a marketing stunt... "optimized to transfer audio only".
At the USB-level you have still digital-data - this is no audio or analog signal at that point in time. So this cable does not know, if the 1 and 0 it is transfering are audio or you latest holiday-pictures you an Excel-sheet.
So what I understand the technical explaination is - you have a USB-cable here, which is limited to the USB 2.0 speed of 480Mbit/s - as this speed is sufficent to transfer audio-data.
So a 4-pin cable... for digital-data (so it only has to distinguis between high/low 1/0) and say you need to invest sooo much in qualtiy?
This is like telling you need 500$ glasses with special coating and precisely ground optical glass... to distinguish, if the light in the room is turned on or off.
Please do more videos like this! I like seeing all the ASR nuts lose their ish in the comments lol
Like 1 person mentioned ASR...
"Standalone devices meant to do one thing, perform better than do it all devices."
What? That's not how it works. My DAC is better at reproducing sound than my TV because it has better components. Not because it can't reproduce video.
USB and the USB audio class are standards, they can't be better or worse. It either fits or it doesn't.
Why would removing features make it better? My MacBook came with a USB-C (connector end) cable that only does power delivery. Is it better at delivering power than a cable that can also output data? No. Same goes for USB audio cables, assuming no damage there's no difference. If you think there is it's a placebo.
Oh my god how can you actually go on a full diatribe about the cable being insufficient for standard data transfer, insist that less connectors are good, that your cables are higher quality and then turn around and tell me your cable is 14x the price of a standard one.
$10 cable - meets the full spec, has copper, works fine.
$140 cable - doesn't meet the full spec(?) doesn't have copper, has silver, works the same seeing as USB transfers are ubiquitous and I've never heard of data loss from specifically copper.
You ever listen to someone trying to sell a product and then they say something that immediately removes all credibility ? 3:16... USB 2.0 is 480 megaBITS per second, not megaBYTES. Take the megaBITS and divide by 8.
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All stuff and nonsense. Digital is 0's and 1's. There's no "quality of signal" tomfoolery going on at all. It works, or it doesn't. A $20, well made USB cable will work just as well as the $200+ magic sauce cable they're trying to sell you.
"A fool and his money are soon parted".
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it's not as simple as just '1s and 0s" tho. its all interpreted by an analog voltage that runs across the cable, and depending on the quality of the cable there can be misreads where a 1 is a 0 and a 0 is a 1 based on that voltage value. this means audio artifacting. cable length resistance, proper shielding, quality conductors - theres no "it either works or it doesnt" for hi res audio reproduction. this is a hobby of "what does it better."
@@anthonydiviolla1944 You bought the $200 cable didn't you?
@@anthonydiviolla1944 Except the USB protocol attaches a CRC to the end of each packet (unit of data). The CRC is used to validate the data. This is why you can transfer a terabyte of storage to an external hard drive without corruption.
@@even1313 No he bought two.
This is funny stuff… you pay more for less. S😂
Wow, what a bunch of waffle. 7 minutes to say "get a usb cable with least amount of pins connected that you can". That's the only thing with merit in here, rest is BS waffle. Next question is why doesn't a high end DAC manufacturer add a cable with less pins connected if it helps?? Answer is they isolate the pins at the connector on the DAC anyway if they don't want those pins connected - duh. Yes USB cables can make a difference to noise coming into the DAC, but any decent DAC manufacturer would already have that isolated. If your USB cable makes a difference it's either your brain manufacturing the difference OR it's randomly assisting or correcting a different fault.