Apparently the Rafale is about 1,000 kg too heavy right now, in addition to the Typhoon being like 60s too fast from brakes off (dead stop on the runway) to 35,000 ft, which would explain a lot of the performance difference between the Rafale and the Typhoon. Typhoon should still have a better T/W ratio but nowhere near what it is right now! Also, Rafale should have the AESA radar based on this model, so the radar should be significantly improved before it comes to live, and probably be the best radar in game (like the 2000-5F when it first came to the game with the RDY).
Those official figures for the Typhoon state it’s better than those figures, how much better likely being dependent on the specific loadout. Edit: my assumption would be the recommended air superiority loadout, 2 SRAAMs, 6 BVRAAMs and 3 1000l drop tanks, giving it a take-off weight of around 20t.
2:25 there's a keybind that toggles the countermeasures slaving to the MAW. You can turn it off while keeping the benefits of missile detection without uninstalling the modification.
for now the Rafale is hugely work in progresse, he is too heavy, his gun don't have the right stats, his radar is a placeholder that will be replaced and he miss about 6Kn of engine power in afterburner, on the other hand, im pretty sure the typhoon will get nerfed on his manoevrability, IRL the Rafale has a better instant turn speed and a really similar sustained turn rate (even tho he have less thrust, his canards manage the air flow better, and he has in overall less drag, he is also lighter
It’s always funny because it’s so evident when the person commenting is French, since they use he/his or she/her gendered descriptions instead of “its” Mais bien sur, j’espere que la Rafale vas être amélioré dans le dev server.
I think actually in game the rafale also does have a better instant turn speed however it might just be me idk.....but when it devolves into pirouetting and falling leaf's around each other like most delta-canards tend to do, the typhoon is winning which is actually where the rafale should be excelling....... typhoon is good in a 2-circle,but in most other BFM scenarios the Rafale exceeds as we see in the IRL accounts of Typhoons mock-dogfighting Rafale's.
The Rafale is better in the 1 circle and the eurofighter is better in the vertical and 2 circle, the Rafale also hasn’t gotten its AESA radar so it’ll get that, they said it’s not finished yet but it’ll be the best radar in game, and it should also have 14 hard points so I think it should have more missiles but I’m long 100 percent positive on it
1:10 MICA-EM definitely isn't the best fox-3, its model in game is 1/4 of what its capable IRL, in game its only effective at around 8km, IRL its 30km, the AIM-120 is just more reliable overall
@@kochiyoshihe’s not wrong, the drag & wobble heavily reduces the MICA’s range. Then combine the MICA with having LOAL capabilities, as well as an IR seeker like a stinger in the nose so it can be a fox-3 combined with IR tracking which prevents notching, etc etc. MICA EM is heavily nerfed for balance sake rn, it’s like how the magic 2 was 35G, all aspect, no IRCCM (still the wrong IRCCM but that’s fine) for the longest time.
@@raskzak3313 if only the 50G didn’t have the fuse delay, head ons during the IR meta would have been fucked. I do love the 50G close in, although I find they’re too fast to make the close-in turns like I’d want from R-73s, but so much better than the 9M for dogfights
As a mirage 2000-5f player/enjoyer, the mica's are more capable than that, i have been getting a lot of 25 km kills in game (legit not joking) when going high and using BVR, maybe they were luck shots on unaware players, but under 15 km, the missile is 100% going to hit (if the other player doesn't chaff/evade it in time), in fact i do agree that the aim-120 is more capable at long range shots, but in a dogfight/front engagement situation, i'll take the mica's (For those who see this comment, you can lauch the missile at almost 90 degree in a headon, so while you evade you can just lauch the missile lmao)
The Rafale c has better supersonic maneuverability and post-stall maneuverability. In terms of Angle of Attack (AoA), Rafale can achieve a 100 to 110 degrees AoA angle of attack, while the Typhoon is just 70 degrees. And the Rafale has a slightly better sustained turn rate by like 1 degree at lower altitude, while the typhoon over 50,000ft performs better than the rafale. this current Rafale definitely needs some work, tbh the EF-2000 isnt all that inaccurate currently but my god is the rafale being capped
Eurofighter doesn’t have post-stall maneuverability, as it’s FCS doesn’t allow for it and there’s no pilot override. The FCS is also limiting the Typhoon’s AOA due to roll instability issues at higher AOA. The latter should be fixed with the upcoming AMK upgrade. In terms of supersonic agility it should be superior to the Rafale due to a mix of a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and a higher degree of pitch instability, apparently allowing it to do 9g maneuvers up to a speed of Mach 1.6.
@@RichelieuUnlimitedyeah this tracks what I’ve seen, Rafale is slightly more maneuverable subsonic, but eurofighter is unmatched in its ability to pull thrust out of its ass so in the long-run, it’ll win (if it doesn’t catch a magic or mica mid-dogfight)
@@Northern00 Eurofighter is intentionally built with a high degree of pitch instability, meaning it’s center of lift is forward of its center of gravity. Without any input from the control surfaces the plane wants to pitch up. This is done to reduce induced drag. At supersonic speeds the center of lift moves rearward, making aircraft increasingly stable at higher speed and limiting their maneuverability. The Typhoon will remain less stable, allowing it to maintain agility for longer.
@@carottefondeurenfer on usual air-superiority condition it carry 6, but it's in order to either take drop-tanks or having the most stealthy condition, the DGA testing for going from F2+ standard to F3-2 then F3R confirmed that the Rafale could use 10 out of his 14 pylons for Mica's carrying, not an hard info to found.
For every Rafale enjoyer, i wanted to warn you not to get your hopes up concerning the 1000kg too heavy The bug report stated it should be 9 400kg and not 10 300 kg (so 900 kg too heavy currently) but moderator closed the report stating that from their sources its around 9700-9800. So its a gain of 600kg max. Then concerning engine power, multiple documents state that each M88-2 should produce 7.5Kn (or 7 450 n) of force, the report has been denied by gaijin, saying that the thrust of non installed engine would always be higher than an engine installed on the plane (first time seeing this argument ever lmao). Its gaijin way of f*cking the French each update or as lot are calling the "French Tax"
The Rafale, the Eurofighter and the Super Hornet all had some measures undertaken to reduce their RCS, i.e. shaping like the canted stabilizers of the Super Hornet or the RAM coatings on parts of the Typhoon. All three are presumed to have a frontal RCS in the 0.1m^2 range, equivalent to a metal sphere the size of a medicine ball. The F-35 is typically compared to a golfball, the Raptor to a marble.
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@@hadialdennawi8665cry about it, You guys don't need the most op sht all the time. You got the best radars in game.. TF do you want? Like ig the way you French babies act, I'm sure the EF will nerfed to the ground like the gripens.
@@hadialdennawi8665 i never denied what its currently doing is kinda cracked, But at the same time all i see everywhere on these videos are french main cry babies moaning about how they cant beat everything with already the most op radar in game, its cringe af.
In joint exercises typhoon would lose most of the time in mock dogfights. Look it up. Rafale was the only nato jet to shoot down the f22 in an exercise i think it was 9 wins f22 to 1 win rafale. Look it up so the devs better get working.
@@drakebvibing5953 it's just the starting position that are staged, the exercise itself still is a good representation, and btw the french always send aircraft with droptanks for "hiding" the true performance of their aircraft, for exemple on the mirage 2000, people got their first look on the true capabilities of the aircraft when a Greek mirage shoot down a turkish f16. I found that quite dumb bc pilots can't train on real condition outside of simulator but I guess there are more deep reason of why they do that.
Not true. The Eurofighter has also 'killed' F-22's in exercises.The Eurofighter is quicker too. On the whole they're extremely similar, it would come down to pilot skill as to who wins the dogfight.
@bennperkins4006 what about when rafale and ef did mock dogfighting look it up because of might be better in warthunder but irl seems to lose more 1v1. They have done these exercises more than once look into it. Yes the ef is faster but why did it lose so many times irl.
This game gets shittier and shittier with each update. By the way, the Rafale has dismantled the typhoon in EVERY competition they have competed in, but this game is so realistic........💩💩💩💩 (sorry for my bad English please)
@@lucasdijoux8620 And it's a guy who stinks even through my screen who tells me that....... It's been weeks since I haven't played this game of who stinks of shit more and more, like you do. (sorry for my bad english).
IRL the Rafale has a higher payload capacity and can fly at higher AOA due to its close coupled canards, reducing its landing speed and increasing its agility at low speed. Also it‘s carrier capable and was offered with an AESA a lot earlier than the Eurofighter. It also comes with an integral laser designator. And higher speeds and altitudes, be it BVR or WVR, the Eurofighter was always ahead due to its higher thrust-to-weight ratio, lower wing loading lower induced drag and larger radar.
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Apparently the Rafale is about 1,000 kg too heavy right now, in addition to the Typhoon being like 60s too fast from brakes off (dead stop on the runway) to 35,000 ft, which would explain a lot of the performance difference between the Rafale and the Typhoon. Typhoon should still have a better T/W ratio but nowhere near what it is right now!
Also, Rafale should have the AESA radar based on this model, so the radar should be significantly improved before it comes to live, and probably be the best radar in game (like the 2000-5F when it first came to the game with the RDY).
Same with ef typhoon radar it's inaccurate guess in dev it's just placeholder
@@notmyrealaccount5245 whats wrong about it?
@@FullThrottleRacing535Its just a harrier radar with ground modes, will definitely get changed, same for the rafale
Those official figures for the Typhoon state it’s better than those figures, how much better likely being dependent on the specific loadout.
Edit: my assumption would be the recommended air superiority loadout, 2 SRAAMs, 6 BVRAAMs and 3 1000l drop tanks, giving it a take-off weight of around 20t.
@@FullThrottleRacing535 they havent actually modeled in the AESA Radar's yet
2:25 there's a keybind that toggles the countermeasures slaving to the MAW. You can turn it off while keeping the benefits of missile detection without uninstalling the modification.
for now the Rafale is hugely work in progresse, he is too heavy, his gun don't have the right stats, his radar is a placeholder that will be replaced and he miss about 6Kn of engine power in afterburner, on the other hand, im pretty sure the typhoon will get nerfed on his manoevrability, IRL the Rafale has a better instant turn speed and a really similar sustained turn rate (even tho he have less thrust, his canards manage the air flow better, and he has in overall less drag, he is also lighter
It’s always funny because it’s so evident when the person commenting is French, since they use he/his or she/her gendered descriptions instead of “its”
Mais bien sur, j’espere que la Rafale vas être amélioré dans le dev server.
@@Northern00 Afterwards we know the plane better than Gajin
@@kyllianfr49 anyone knows the vehicles better than Gaijin
@@raskzak3313 yes gaijin cannot take a real secret vehicle file so yes
I think actually in game the rafale also does have a better instant turn speed however it might just be me idk.....but when it devolves into pirouetting and falling leaf's around each other like most delta-canards tend to do, the typhoon is winning which is actually where the rafale should be excelling....... typhoon is good in a 2-circle,but in most other BFM scenarios the Rafale exceeds as we see in the IRL accounts of Typhoons mock-dogfighting Rafale's.
The Rafale is better in the 1 circle and the eurofighter is better in the vertical and 2 circle, the Rafale also hasn’t gotten its AESA radar so it’ll get that, they said it’s not finished yet but it’ll be the best radar in game, and it should also have 14 hard points so I think it should have more missiles but I’m long 100 percent positive on it
Hoping for 2 more missiles at least
1:10 MICA-EM definitely isn't the best fox-3, its model in game is 1/4 of what its capable IRL, in game its only effective at around 8km, IRL its 30km, the AIM-120 is just more reliable overall
idk what you're yapping about.
@@kochiyoshihe’s not wrong, the drag & wobble heavily reduces the MICA’s range. Then combine the MICA with having LOAL capabilities, as well as an IR seeker like a stinger in the nose so it can be a fox-3 combined with IR tracking which prevents notching, etc etc. MICA EM is heavily nerfed for balance sake rn, it’s like how the magic 2 was 35G, all aspect, no IRCCM (still the wrong IRCCM but that’s fine) for the longest time.
it's godly for close fights though, those 50 Gs slap
@@raskzak3313 if only the 50G didn’t have the fuse delay, head ons during the IR meta would have been fucked.
I do love the 50G close in, although I find they’re too fast to make the close-in turns like I’d want from R-73s, but so much better than the 9M for dogfights
As a mirage 2000-5f player/enjoyer, the mica's are more capable than that, i have been getting a lot of 25 km kills in game (legit not joking) when going high and using BVR, maybe they were luck shots on unaware players, but under 15 km, the missile is 100% going to hit (if the other player doesn't chaff/evade it in time), in fact i do agree that the aim-120 is more capable at long range shots, but in a dogfight/front engagement situation, i'll take the mica's (For those who see this comment, you can lauch the missile at almost 90 degree in a headon, so while you evade you can just lauch the missile lmao)
The Rafale c has better supersonic maneuverability and post-stall maneuverability. In terms of Angle of Attack (AoA), Rafale can achieve a 100 to 110 degrees AoA angle of attack, while the Typhoon is just 70 degrees. And the Rafale has a slightly better sustained turn rate by like 1 degree at lower altitude, while the typhoon over 50,000ft performs better than the rafale.
this current Rafale definitely needs some work, tbh the EF-2000 isnt all that inaccurate currently but my god is the rafale being capped
Eurofighter doesn’t have post-stall maneuverability, as it’s FCS doesn’t allow for it and there’s no pilot override. The FCS is also limiting the Typhoon’s AOA due to roll instability issues at higher AOA. The latter should be fixed with the upcoming AMK upgrade. In terms of supersonic agility it should be superior to the Rafale due to a mix of a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and a higher degree of pitch instability, apparently allowing it to do 9g maneuvers up to a speed of Mach 1.6.
@@RichelieuUnlimitedyeah this tracks what I’ve seen, Rafale is slightly more maneuverable subsonic, but eurofighter is unmatched in its ability to pull thrust out of its ass so in the long-run, it’ll win (if it doesn’t catch a magic or mica mid-dogfight)
Eurofighter should have a higher STR whenever it isn’t AOA limited due to its lower wing loading.
@@RichelieuUnlimitedcan you explain this again, but *pretend* I’m stupid?
@@Northern00 Eurofighter is intentionally built with a high degree of pitch instability, meaning it’s center of lift is forward of its center of gravity. Without any input from the control surfaces the plane wants to pitch up. This is done to reduce induced drag.
At supersonic speeds the center of lift moves rearward, making aircraft increasingly stable at higher speed and limiting their maneuverability. The Typhoon will remain less stable, allowing it to maintain agility for longer.
The RAFALE F3 has only 3 missiles so it’s correct ! But we can take MICA IR on the RAFALE bit there are not in the game right now
idk if it's a joke but it's at least 8
@opalow_I think he means the different types of missiles not the amount
@Andrea-ng8pw Damn ur right, I'm dumb asf
@opalow_ And the F.3 always officialy carried 6 missiles, he can carry 8 but it was never done until the F.4
@@carottefondeurenfer on usual air-superiority condition it carry 6, but it's in order to either take drop-tanks or having the most stealthy condition, the DGA testing for going from F2+ standard to F3-2 then F3R confirmed that the Rafale could use 10 out of his 14 pylons for Mica's carrying, not an hard info to found.
For every Rafale enjoyer, i wanted to warn you not to get your hopes up concerning the 1000kg too heavy
The bug report stated it should be 9 400kg and not 10 300 kg (so 900 kg too heavy currently) but moderator closed the report stating that from their sources its around 9700-9800. So its a gain of 600kg max.
Then concerning engine power, multiple documents state that each M88-2 should produce 7.5Kn (or 7 450 n) of force, the report has been denied by gaijin, saying that the thrust of non installed engine would always be higher than an engine installed on the plane (first time seeing this argument ever lmao).
Its gaijin way of f*cking the French each update or as lot are calling the "French Tax"
The Rafale, the Eurofighter and the Super Hornet all had some measures undertaken to reduce their RCS, i.e. shaping like the canted stabilizers of the Super Hornet or the RAM coatings on parts of the Typhoon. All three are presumed to have a frontal RCS in the 0.1m^2 range, equivalent to a metal sphere the size of a medicine ball. The F-35 is typically compared to a golfball, the Raptor to a marble.
0.1 is a f-22/35 level in perfect condition.
Rafale or other planes of 4 gen isn't a near this number.
Such a beautiful beast
I can't wait to have it
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We have A2SM Bombs in WT before gta6 😆
Oh the outcry if they add the MICA-IR
Wouldn't even be that bad. It's basically similar to how the r27et works . But trading range for manoeuvrability
As always French jets get nerfed.
its the dev server chill out.
@ ik bro. But just saying look at in game what they did to the 4000 or 2000Drmv
@@hadialdennawi8665cry about it, You guys don't need the most op sht all the time. You got the best radars in game.. TF do you want? Like ig the way you French babies act, I'm sure the EF will nerfed to the ground like the gripens.
@ still don't change the fact that the ef2000 is over preforming my guy.
@@hadialdennawi8665 i never denied what its currently doing is kinda cracked, But at the same time all i see everywhere on these videos are french main cry babies moaning about how they cant beat everything with already the most op radar in game, its cringe af.
Would be cool to get the meteor on it
The rafale is under preforming and the typhoon is over preforming
Wonder if this thing gets BOL pods for extra countermeasures? because its extremely low, especially for top tier!
Welcome to french aircraft
In joint exercises typhoon would lose most of the time in mock dogfights. Look it up. Rafale was the only nato jet to shoot down the f22 in an exercise i think it was 9 wins f22 to 1 win rafale. Look it up so the devs better get working.
Seen the hud bro got guns on but who’s knows those are all staged not combat
@@drakebvibing5953 it's just the starting position that are staged, the exercise itself still is a good representation, and btw the french always send aircraft with droptanks for "hiding" the true performance of their aircraft, for exemple on the mirage 2000, people got their first look on the true capabilities of the aircraft when a Greek mirage shoot down a turkish f16. I found that quite dumb bc pilots can't train on real condition outside of simulator but I guess there are more deep reason of why they do that.
Not true. The Eurofighter has also 'killed' F-22's in exercises.The Eurofighter is quicker too. On the whole they're extremely similar, it would come down to pilot skill as to who wins the dogfight.
@bennperkins4006 what about when rafale and ef did mock dogfighting look it up because of might be better in warthunder but irl seems to lose more 1v1. They have done these exercises more than once look into it. Yes the ef is faster but why did it lose so many times irl.
Bro one time, You guys deep throat that sht. It was one time... 🤣
they should get MICA IR
Should I grind Germany or France for both ground and air
germany has more variety, france more uniqueness
France got a okay start (basically America copy paste), but once you got to them Magics. oh boy its really good
@@redracoon1322 the french tanks have charm too. as for planes id say it's a real struggle in the mid tiers till you hit the super etendard
The way these french babies act i swear, They're gonna just get the EF nerfed into the ground like the gripen.
It will be nerfed AF
More ARH jets for me to not give a fuck about. Another update to skip, how "exciting"
Give UK typhoon and rafale (from india) frfr!
This game gets shittier and shittier with each update. By the way, the Rafale has dismantled the typhoon in EVERY competition they have competed in, but this game is so realistic........💩💩💩💩 (sorry for my bad English please)
Guy chill thud is Just de serveur not live serveur
Use bain for à time in your Life
@@lucasdijoux8620 And it's a guy who stinks even through my screen who tells me that....... It's been weeks since I haven't played this game of who stinks of shit more and more, like you do. (sorry for my bad english).
@@amandinedessbro get a life or is it to complain about some game updates if thats so then stay mad
Is this your first update?
IRL the Rafale has a higher payload capacity and can fly at higher AOA due to its close coupled canards, reducing its landing speed and increasing its agility at low speed. Also it‘s carrier capable and was offered with an AESA a lot earlier than the Eurofighter. It also comes with an integral laser designator.
And higher speeds and altitudes, be it BVR or WVR, the Eurofighter was always ahead due to its higher thrust-to-weight ratio, lower wing loading lower induced drag and larger radar.