As a necro main who started as a magplar, I can say blastbones is far from clunky and in fact it can make even a dynamic rotation feel more static and is a great class to learn a dynamic rotation on
yep i ran maelstrom vet on it after not playing for over a year and only died once pretty sure i could get a perfect run with a few more practice runs and its was so brainless to play run a perfected inferno on backbar with duelwield front its op def s tier
Ik I’m complaining about someone else’s opinion, but I play a Breton Templar Tank and it’s pretty good, part of being a tank is making sure you don’t die and templars help with that with their healing line.
i wish i liked arcanist more. I just wish runeblades was worth using as a spammable but as it stands, it seems like tentacle is superior in every way. That one morph is stacked with good effects.
@lukoscreyden runeblades is awesome because you need to generate crux. Anarchist is extremely strong. You should be using tentacles and renegades together with fatecarver
@@mattyquinn9174 Yea but right now Arcanist smashing the rankings of solo arenas. Last week i was with 270K points place 17 in the arcanist ranking but i would be second o nthe templar ranking. Just saying
@@mattyquinn9174 Exactly. The Pale Order is really good with Arcanist, but for harder content like vet vateshran I can't help but feel like I 'need' to use it to make it out of that place. Playing another class with the ring like templar or magblade seems to be more of a "convenience" thing than a necessity but that might just be me still trying to figure it out.
4:52, I made a Nightblade tank and pretty much run with maximum hp with buffs on my 2nd bar. And as 1 of the few NB health tanks youll never see, I whole heartedly agree.
I play with a necro tank and tbh, ive been able to duo through all pve content in the game fairly easy with my friend as a magblade. even ran Inf arch without trouble for About 20+ stages due to its awesome sustain and res skills. Highly reccomend making a necro tank.
Spell Power Cure, Elemental Catalyst Magcro healer. Velothi Ur, Dark Elf, one bar DMG, one bar NECRO heal skills. Destro/Resto. Push the damage, feed corpses for the cheap heals. Fantastic in 4 man content. I did VHM Unhallowed last night no issues. Breton Arcanist. Velothi, Apocryphal Inspiration, Spell Power Cure. 40k parse on a 21 mill as a healer. I walk in, Arcanist Domain, Healing orb, throw out my bubbles. Usually have 3 crux, bar swap, beam. Anyone takes any damage while in my beam, bar swap, refresh. I throw healing synergies on one bar, and the best DD synergy in the game in the front bar. My tank has 45% recovery on all 3 stats if he's in my Arcanist circle with me. I can keep 100% uptime on over 600 free weapon and spell damage. Quit telling these new players there's NO way to play these classes and play them WELL. I will NEVER set foot in a VHM trial simply because I KNOW they'll say something about my build. My guild loves my weird builds. I know I'm not 85-100k deeps on a parse, cuz who fkn cares? I love Elder Scrolls. Slash builds have been a staple of the series since it's inception. Yes, slash builds require skill, patience, and creativity. But I'd rather have a gimped character I created to run the content I enjoy than try and fit in with a group of people who say there's literally only 3 good classes in the game.
I used to no life ESO but I haven't played in a really long time, I'm changing to ps5 to join my friends (they've been really busy the past few years so I been on pc) but since I haven't played in so long I was wondering, what would be a better healer a Necro (what I have on pc and enjoy) or a arcanist in your opinion
dungeon tanks - i think necro tank can be S tier because of resurect ult (can res 3 players) if you can survive well as tank you can carry vet hardmodes like this (even if its not pretty) also Arcanist dungeon dps should be S tier, in dungeons there is a lot AoE + boss moves more from place to place and Arcanist DPS can deal well with both things
for solo play, mag necro is garbage tier. After maining it for soloing stuff for over a year, I decided to switch it up and try some other classes for solo dungeons. Even with half-assed builds and sets, EVERY other class did miles better than my necro did. I've since abandoned that class and unfortunately, much of my desire to play went with it. I hope they can do something with the class to make it better.
I’ve mained necro for a few years now and back when I took my last hiatus during sometime near the high isle release it was an S tier. Did something happen to it?
@@JCrushFitness in group content, it can be useful for its ult, but there are now sets that can also fulfill that niche. I am speaking from a solo perspective; arenas, dungeons etc. Necromancer, especially magicka, is lacking in a lot of areas. Spirit Guardian took a nerf, and other skills are either very situational, buggy or just rubbish in general. It can still do well in organized group content with group buffs helping it but alone, it is probably the worst class in the game for solo by quite a margin.
Made my first character and got to CP 90 just in the past two weeks. It was a Mag Necro. I made a Sorcerer alt for fun it was immediately more pleasurable to use. I'm so bummed I spent time and money on necro
10:05 Before U35 necromancer healers were using empowering grasp which increased damage to BOTH light and heavy attacks. With U35, this is the impact which U35 made with changes to the Empower buff. ZOS killed necromancer healers and it's almost a year they did nothing to bring them back.
@@whit9172 there's nothing stopping you from amazing healing on a necromancer. on these tier lists we're really just splitting hairs over unique class buffs. in terms of raw healing ALL of that can and mostly should be achieved with resto staff abilities (springs, combat prayer), then vigour or regeneration for a heal over time, and blood alter from undaunted. necromancer skills: I love the unnerving boneyard skill for taking off enemy armour that the tank can't reach (pick the correct morph for that) which can be used instead or to compliment elemental susceptibility. the colossus is incredibly important if no one else is a necro or if the tank isnt providing major vuln for some reason (typical pugs). Ruinous scythe can be used for off balance. necrotic potency for building ultimate (awesome with pillager's set in trials or war machine/ master architect in dungeons) Bone totem is useful too and so are a few other skills like the healing tether and the ghost buddy to absorb damage from you if you're taking a lot of damage for some reason. empowering grasp used to be required but i have a hard time justifying it now. hope this helps!
Couldn't agree more, this is spot on, I have all dps and play them all, came to the same conclusions. only factors to consider in terms of bis dps is what content and what sets, like templar with azure in some fights out parse dk. also i've slowly seen arcanists top dps runs i've been in for dlc hm trial runs. the meta might shift somewhat in a few weeks after some balance, and nb needs some love for sure
Other classes, particularly DK got over buffed and entered into a tier of its own in terms of dps. Additionally, all the things NB provides can now be provided easily by other sources. Finally, it's the most complicated class to play and just to get NB to work at an average level requires more work than any other class which is complete bs.
same, been a templar main since day one granted now i have 3 templars and at least 2 of every class (excluding ONE night blade) but i have invested heavily into him and he can fullfil any role very well.
I'm like this with on nightblade healing. Everyone wants my warden but i put my foot down and said "no you're getting a nightblade." Been pretty fun getting hardmodes and stuff in content and some content really tests me as a healer since i play a less than optimal healer class
@@AshtheDragon-l4e i feel that too mainly i heal on my nb for dailies and stuff or tank just for fast queues even tho i can do insane fcking dmg as a dps i wont wait 30 mins lol
I remember many years ago, struggling to get through valkyn skoria on vet cuz the healers we kept running through just couldn't cut it. One by one they just kept dropping out. Then this random DK healer popped into the group out of nowhere. On God I roasted that dude so hard I'm surprised he didn't leave. Dude never said a word. We ran skoria like it was on easy mode. Not a single death in the group. My jaw hit the floor. I'll never forget that..
As a necro main (initially) i can honestly say "healing" on necro is not that OP however, i'd put it as S as healer simply because of its shielding capabilities. The ult generation is insane, if you run barrier with the soul absorption skill (forgot the name) you can have another barrier up before 1 passively ends, not to mention stacking that with other shielding sets, it feels like group immortality. But for just straight healing i agree with your A rating. Id say between A or B.
I was a little surprised to see Templar ranked so low on the Tanking Tier List. I love tanking on my Templar(s). I've never felt like, _"if only I were on my DK right now, this would be so much easier!"_
Templars make SUPERB tanks for all manner of content, do not doubt that for a moment. But when you are trying to do fully optimised vTrial HM runs there will always be min-max setups, that's just the way it is. I would never refuse to run a trial if the tanks were Templars. That's just silly.
You'll notice when you get to harder content and you try ourlt the different classes. I love my warden tank, and i absolutely hate playing necro tank.. but some vet content, having a necro tank is basically a must. And lately ive been shifting over to dragonknight tank because it provides just as much buffs to the team, though more often than not, those buffs are less likely to overlap with healers buffs, as healers generally come as wardens in 4mans. And because DK is the survival king. Warden has massive burst heal and really great buff coverage, but DK is just a g.o.a.t. UNIT
New player now L160 CP 500 something. I only have experience with the Dragonknight and I picked DK for no particular reason after quickly reading the specs. And I am so glad I did. I am mostly a solo player and I saw I can play some seriously hard content on solo if my setup/skills are good. And I learned to make a really good setup of my favorite companion Isobel as a 1- Tank/2- Healer. The skills and the order of the companion skills on the bar make a huge difference in performance. Took me a while to realize how much I have to care about these cool off timeouts, skill selection and the order of the skills from left to right. I will definitely have to play other class, tho. I enjoy ESO a lot more I thought than I would to be honest. Its a good game, lots of stats and fine tuning (if you want) and I like that.
I'll take my Garbage Templar Tank :) any day and continue to plow thru Vet Content with ease while supplying the groups with a plethora of Buffs.. All these videos about Meta and crap all comes down to the Player. Any Player can master any content with almost any class. Best of Luck!
Why would you pick a templar tank over a dk with stone giant and a necro with collosus and the best survivability in the game, templar brings no damage increase to the group that a templar dd or healer can't already bring
@@zakpedley5160 I Run Turning Tide and offer plenty of benefits to my group. I did not say the other classes are garbage either. I said i would take my Templar Tank any day. Tanking is not Just about being Selfish or Not Selfish obviously. Best of Luck!
@@eldersmitter precisely tanking isn't about being selfish and templar tank is very selfish, as I said minimal unique group buffs, that can't already be applied by templar dd or healer
@@zakpedley5160 lol you're going to argue regardless. Calling a Templar Tank Selfish is comical. I love my Templar Tank. I see Many Garbage tanks of all Kinds Dragon knights included does not matter the Class that cannot get thru tons of content so it makes no difference what buffs they are giving the group if they cannot survive. It is all about gameplay as well. Cheers!
Oof and here I made a NB for trial dps, a Warden for trial tanking, and a Necro for trial heals (specifically for making this easy, I mean). Felt like it was a no brainer; the assassin class will simply always be a good dps pick, the class that puts a dozen heals and buffs on himself will survive, and the dude that literally keeps the dead alive would make a good healer. At least I have picks for group dungeons.
IMO, while ESO gives tons of freedom to customization, the developers always invision a class identity and a certain playstyle as a main focus when creating a class. This is true for all games. While it is true that you can be a stamina sorcerer or a magicka nightblade, each class was designed with a main role / playstyle in mind at the start. I find all classes, in the right hands, to be more than capable to heal, deal respectable dps and tank, regardless of the content, as long as the mechanics are learned and understood, the gear is in check and the game sense is developed, even with your average crafted gear. For example, I started playing when there were only 4 classes in the game. I always envisioned Templar as the Healing Class, Sorcerer as Magical Ranged DPS, Nightblade as Ranged or Melee Physical DPS and Dragonknight as the Tank/Bruiser. That is literally how my characters are. I never felt the need to go for more than 4 characters, one for each of the main 4 classes. Necro and Warden never peeked my interest. I left the game about 2 years ago, but I come back every year to check out 1 year worth of content (which isn't that much IMO) that I missed. The mistake of the developers is that they keep almost all builds viable so when you come back, unless you like experiment and have the best build or complete your collection, you don't have much to do after about 2k hours. Just do transmog, farm some more loot, craft, do some quests, maybe get some collectibles and level up some niche skill lines.
Any class is good for any content. Just depends on how much you want to struggle vs have an easier time. I run NB for trials and I still got Shield of the North achievement (Kyne's Aegis Vet all HM's) with my party. Pain in the @$$ but I pulled it off with my DPS. It's about commitment to the cause.
You're being very generous with Nightblade in this video. What's wrong with NB? 1) Useless tank. 2) Useless dps. 3) Mediocre healer. 4) Zero class fantasy. 5) Doesn't feel like an assassin class. 6) ESO's "assassin" class has almost 0 assassin themed abilities. 7) ESO's "assassin" class does not know how to use a bow and has 0 options for a ranged bow assassin build. 8) Absolutely must use Relequen's, Nirn and Kjalnar's or Zaan's just to do mediocre damage. Any other set usage results in massive damage loss. 9) Zenimax hates ESO in general, but especially hates the Nightblade class. 10) Nightblade is a dumpster fire.
@@bradturner7678 It's been my main since ESO's launch and I've always loved them, but they're in the worst spot currently that they've ever been and it's really bad. The most complicated class in the game has to work much harder than any other class just to get bare bones mediocre dps, meanwhile the Arcanist can just stand there and spam beam and be more useful than NB.
@@Bumbum_Inspector I'm in the same boat. NB is my main but it is by far my worst class of all my alts, which I have played for far less time. The aoe is non existant, the ST is medicore at best, ranged builds are dead, stamblade is dead, worthless tank, not even an meta healer choice anymore. too hard to play. I like nothing about this class but it's my main. I don't even like it in pvp because despite it being strong it is far harder to play than warden or DK. They could delete NB and nothing would change in the meta.
@@lukasr1166 Yup. It's a tragic state that Nightblade is currently in and I really wish instead of doing the Arcanist, they instead went back to the other classes and rebalanced them, rebalanced the weapon skill lines, and gave all class skill lines and weapon skill lines 2-3 brand new abilities to play with. I really don't get why they don't add new abilities to the game to give people more options and playstyles.
I'm a magden main and have done alot of the hard modes with that class as a dd and I could not pull it of with another class in someways it just comes down to your playstile to some classes juat work better for you know of a necro healer that's healing trial hardmodes
DK over preforms in ever single aspect of the game lol pvp or pve. Such an OP over tuned class, literally nerfing yourself by wasting time and effort playing anything else. Just make one DK class and call it a day you'll no diff the game if you have thumbs
@@maxmustermann2367 any person w 2 brain cells can. It keeps you alive by just picking the class and does dmg for you by just picking the class. You don’t need to be good
ill be the first to admit that your way more knowledgeable then i am at pve eso, however my love for Templar will never die, and neither will my Templar tank xD, love your videos Nefas your so chill keep em coming share the wealth of knowledge
If you're new to the game remember that the "best" class or "meta" as they call it keeps changing from patch to patch, so what's now "garbage" may be "S-tier" later. Just pick a class you like that is fun to play. Having fun playing is far more important than min-maxing for certain content
eso is pretty alt friendly compared to other games so just make one of everything! You can send gear to an alt and chances are it'll still be pretty good since most classes can use similar sets to their benefit.
@@wynngwynn true its just a matter of patience the main thing i hated when i started was making leveling training, but now i have like 15 charecters al max, and all max training granted ive been playing for ages alittle off and mostly on haha. plus i work full time Sadge if i didnt i could really getter done
my main was a templar, made him a tank over the years try to follow guides and make it viable and i feel like no matter what, i found it difficult to tank as more DLC dungeons released, im like okay im going to make a dk tank and man i feel like alot of those dungeons i was struggling with was a breeze. thinkning of making my templar a stam dps and making my magsorc a tank. This was informative, and kinda wish i made an stamarcanist than a stamblade after seeing this
Hey Nefas, I am not sure if you see my comment here. Would you like to do another tier liest for the upcoming u 41 patch. I d love to see how each class does in the future. Thanks in advance. Cheers
I would argue that having one Brittleden in a trial is not the worst thing. Since they have a rather large toolkit and do (quite a lot of) damage with a "Tank Weapon" In vTrials i get sometimes tasked with taunting a certain mob to, works good on warden, can work on sorc (bound armor).
warden is an interesting one with the right setups its very strong dps but i know the class like the back of my hand lol i would put from my experience warden at s tier i hit my highest dps on the class followed by my templar to each there own though
its all about proccing the shalks and fetcher flys as well as bear execute with other skills thrown in too i use my warden for trial dps and it performs well enough stam warden hits harder but magwarden has better survivalbilty
I don't know champ, I went recently with my templar tank (archdruid, pearlscent, infalliable aether) in falkreath hold and one guy there randomly just called me "amazing tank" so i can only imagine what bad expecience he has to have with tanks, it was NA so all other tanks he experienced were pron DKs
Tanks is a hot commodity for dungeons since tanks are more in a way technical compared to dps and healing nowadays. As a tank role it’s a lot of micro managing, body placement, and making sure you don’t get one shot so it’s real easy to notice if the tank fucks up and some people can’t handle the embarrassment. Not so much early game but mid you start to feel it and late game is when to test your worth as a tank.
I'm new, what is the best single player pve class? i just wana play like a single player game and be able to do hard stuff by my self. What class and race would be the best?
Stamarc is super op in 4 man. 80-100k on bosses. Trash anywhere from 120 to 150k the majority of the time. In trials, it is rare I am not top dps, beating out dks on the majority of fights. Arenas are a walkover on Arcanist too I have a feeling that Nefas does not play Arcanist much. I also tank vet(hm)4 man and trial on the arcanist. It works very well with some fights easier on an arc tank and some easier on nevro. I have a dk tank, but it never really clicked with me. DKs are great tanks, just not fun for me.
Kinda sad to see Nightblade as garbage dps when it used to outperform all other classes long ago. I don't remember any huge nerfs to the class. Did all other classes just get buffed so much that they do better dps than nightblade now?
i'm totally just guessing here since i don't know what caspars logic is for that decision, but for me personally based on my experience with the class i would say the logic is that when nightblade is in the hands of a truly skilled player it can be god tier dps. but anything short of an amazing player will just not get the full potential out of a nb. and nb is that one class that absolutely needs you to be ON POINT with how you play it and maintain its buffs and procs etc. nb is such a zero room for error class so even one tiny mistake by someone playing a nb can knock it from god tier to average at best.
Dragonknight got over buffed essentially and is just in a tier of its own in terms of dps. The other issue with Nightblade is they don't really provide any group wide buffs or debuffs and the ones that they do bring can be obtained easily from other sources, so Nightblades are just kind of useless because the only thing they bring to the group is okay damage now which any class can bring. It's why I've stopped playing the game because there's zero class fantasy, Nightblade is my main and it just sucks at pretty much everything now while simultaneously being the most complicated class to play. There's no real point to playing one when you can just play the insanely easy Arcanist who does just as much or more damage than Nightblade and brings WAY more utility to the group.
@@lukasr1166i have to disagree. You can still slot vigor for heals and the Relentless focus proc does heal you. Honestly i main nb for vet hms and so long if you get regen you dont have to worry about it. The problem with NB is that you have to br good with it to see good value. If youre mid or worse its not good.
@@PrimeHunter3195 you can slot vigor if you want your already bad to be damage worse. The real problem with NB is that the aoe damage is utter garbage and it takes 3 times as long to clear trash pulls as it does with a DK.
The nightblade tank is strong and its easy to play if u learn it dk is just for beginner the (best) its easy to play so yeah but it gives nothing else u have a buff dk in trials so u dont need a dk tank instead u can take everything else as a tank... the nightblade healer is in trials s tier.... the templar dps is in trials c tier because if u have 1 templar in your group u dont want another... the necromancer as dps is the same think u dont need the coloss anymore and the nightblade is very strong for boss fights as dps so i would put it in a tier the perfect group would be: Tank arcanist Tank necromancer Heal nightblade Heal arcanist Dd buff necromancer Dd buff dragonknight Dd wardan Dd templar Dd nightblade Dd dragonknight Dd nightblade Dd dragonknight
Dk healing imo is a much more advanced class to heal on. Dk healing is not beginner friendly by any means, it very niche but with all the aoe heals with the right group coordination healing as a dk is very strong especially if you can maintain the stagger from stone giant.
Everyone seems to hate necro dps but I enjoy it. Its fun and rewarding loading a horde up with a million dots. In arena I usually have the most damage on my team. I dont usually get the most kills but having the most damage is satisfying
Arcanist is easily one of the best Solo arena classes. Its so obnoxiously easy and tanky, ans does insane damage. Its basically a gueanteed clear. It also is easily S+ tier DPS for 4 man and trials with someone who knows how to position with the beam.
It is S tier at everything, it is inevitable. It is too bad like Oakensoul builds, I find it pretty fun and a change of pace to other styles of play somewhat. All of our guild run logs almost always have Arcanists at the top, even beating some of our better DK's that used to be top.
Do you think ZOS will try to balance the classes better in Q3/4 of 2023? (My stamden has been screwed since Patch Voldemort and I'm losing patience with the game).
Yes, arcanist is busted in arenas. People are destroying their all time records with little to no efforts. Meanwhile DK requires a lot of skill to do an average score.
Might just be me but the mechanics in ESO aren't hard to learn at all I've been telling my friends they should cut the time of heavy attacks that bosses do in half. Waaayy to easy to block/parry.
Those solo arena tiers are wack lol. Templar is the single best vVH class, and a close second is likely Arcanist which has the best trash clear in the game, and the most accessible burst with a monster burst ult and the beam while there are only a few interrupt mechs in the entire arena. Necro is the worst, and the rest are between the those in a/b tier, except warden sustain is terrible excluding its incredible heavy attack variant and maybe its stam variant (but stam is at a huge disadvantage in vVH because of the pen requirements) so it might be in copium while necro is in the garbage tier.
Soooo trial dps. If a raid lead is looking for dk tank/cro off tank warden/arc healers 1 ec mk spaulder cro 1zenkosh dk And stacking with 6 dks full damage…. Any argument for switching any of those dks to templars or arcanists seeing as how they are labelled s tier as well? Or is the straight up meta rn just stacking all dks
I set my DK up to uave essentially two bars of overshield while those over shields launch mortars because of a monster set hes impossible to kill and while he's tanking its causing damage on top of my normal rotation
Yeah I was talking with my guild mates about why my warden hits with foam balls… apparently it needs to be rebalanced for PvE… Sadge… I like your input about the arcanist. I had to plan what can give me Crux in order to make the beams the most powerful. Good video!!
I play Stam sorc and it does really good damage the only thing is you have to watch your stamina pool but with all your passives and everything it shouldn’t be a problem
I've been using a sorc tank as my main for over 2 years now and ive cleared more content with him than any of my other toons. These lists really are based on the players because I cant stand using a DK tank even though i have one because they're just boring!
Dude same but with a Tankblade, I haven't ran into a sorc tank before but I know they have a lot of op skills to make them tanky. I wouldn't hesitate to let someone tank in a trial based on their class EVER. As long as you got the gear and skill you're welcome to haha. But yeah DK mid AF and a snooze fest 😴
DK Tank is weaker on certain hard mode bosses, where Necro Tank performs much better do to there passive to reduce damage over time taken. Rest of the content they are about on par, nether is better then the other but they are better then other class tanks. Overall, Necro tank is the best.
No denying Necro tank is a really OP off tank and great with debuffing and add control, I just couldn't get into it idk I think it was all the ability timers, just a bit overwhelming for me personally haha but if you can tank comfortably and have a fun time ggs you have my respect
I’ve only been playing for a week and only a few hours, I think I’m level 10, but so far this game is SO easy that I love this list so I can pick the worst class I can to give some challenge. It’s as easy as Skyrim and they somehow ported the super dumb AI over from all the build engine games in to this one. But it’s a beautiful game and I’m loving it. I just roll play as a super badass and enjoy the power trip. Im sure it’ll get tougher but it’s the same as Skyrim/ Fallout 3/ Fallout 4 so far.
Been a nightblade since day 1. I have to say i couldnt disagree more in that regard.... ive done all 3 roles in trials, and well. I rarely am out dpsd in single target usually by a dragon knight if i am.
Severe lack of group utility. Warden, DK, and Necro just have more to offer the group by way of poop fist, molten weapons, group shields, flies, colossus, etc. NB is a selfish class for tanking.
Because while NB is fairly user friendly for a tank, it's also a very selfish tank bringing almost nothing for the group to exploit when compared to DK and necro. NB in general is just overall useless in pve unfortunately and ZoS needs to stop doing dumb game systems and new classes and revisit the old classes and redesign them and give them more tools to play with.
It doesn't "naturally" have a lot of built in utility but that's why you run sets lol. This guy just knows nothing about Tankblades, most people don't. You see in a lot of MMOs that you cant tank on rouge classes, but ESO stands by it's Any Class Any Role style, and some think ESO is WoW for some reason when it's not lol
He's no longer a real endgame player like he was, back when Rockgrove released ish era and got PB, he was good, but he has been slacking ever since u35 release.
@ChrisJames-qi8oe worst. Lowest damage, lowest cleave, ranged builds are dead, no group utility. Trash all around. There is litterally nothing NBs are good at as DDs.
Arcanist getting done dirty. Previous to the Arcanist's release (I'm on console), I'd already beaten vateshran trifecta and flawless Malestrom. Trying it all out on arcanist, it was absolutely silly how good it was with pale order. But I suppose every class is good solo with pale order.
I'm very new to eso 3rd time trying to get into it, and I actually made it past lvl 10 this time lmao anyways was just curious if I'm being dumb, I queue for dps as a dot stamplar, started off doing like 50% damage or more on my damage tracker but the more I've been going up I'm dropping to like 20% but I don't really have too many heals, and I definitely don't have a taunt so I know not to go tank. Could also just be me being bad at my rotations, or the fact it seems 80% of people just sprint through random dungeons :/
I'm sorry but Templar Tank is not Garbage for dungeon runs not even close, this shows me you dont understand the class. Sure its not S tier like DK but its not garbage.
Templar tanks have some survivability but don’t offer any real group utility. Same as NB. A tank’s job isn’t simply to stay alive, you are support and are responsible for buffs, debuffs, and add control. Templar doesn’t have any of that really built into the class tanking toolkit. Other classes that aren’t commonly used for tanking add more than templar for group utility.
@@JohnSmith13146 totally agree but I still wouldnt say Templar Tank is garbage. A class in garbage would mean to me they bring nothing which isnt the case with Templar.
Necromancer is literally the best PVE healer, with the ghost floating around that automatically heals the lowest target and the ability that collects souls to gain the fastest support ults in the game
I'm surprised NB in Trials is in Garbage tier, but I guess it really depends on what the group needs. I always am called as a NB to trials but I assume it's due to the fact that I'm an experienced NB
Not sure if people have picked up on this yet but the common thing that makes a class OP for dps is whether its class passives are strong or not. Both DK and Templar have some of the most busted dps passives in the game. Burning is the best status effect by a mile. Increaseing a status effect that is already one of every classes top dps sources by 33% is just nuts. DK also procs it 100% of the time bursting it even further ahead. Templar have free weapon/spell power with only 1 ability needing to be slotted. Every other class has to slot 4-5 abilities to see a large buff from thier passives. In a meta where class abilities are rarely taken or able to be taken on just one bar this puts them way ahead. Then look at passives for necro.... Utter trash.
If NB is garbage, why not have them run zens/kosh in trial? You put Necro over them simply for their smash, but lotus fan procs zens and gives minor vuln on demand. Why waste 20-30k dps on making a DK do it?
As a necro main who started as a magplar, I can say blastbones is far from clunky and in fact it can make even a dynamic rotation feel more static and is a great class to learn a dynamic rotation on
Arcanist is for sure S class for solo arenas. Easiest arenas you'll ever do.
yep i ran maelstrom vet on it after not playing for over a year and only died once pretty sure i could get a perfect run with a few more practice runs and its was so brainless to play
run a perfected inferno on backbar with duelwield front its op
def s tier
Ik I’m complaining about someone else’s opinion, but I play a Breton Templar Tank and it’s pretty good, part of being a tank is making sure you don’t die and templars help with that with their healing line.
I agree with a lot exept the arcanist in solo content, if you use this badboy with ring of pale order it might be the best solo class in the game
That could be said about any class for solo, but classes like nb and sorc have such good passive healing they don't even need it
i wish i liked arcanist more. I just wish runeblades was worth using as a spammable but as it stands, it seems like tentacle is superior in every way. That one morph is stacked with good effects.
@lukoscreyden runeblades is awesome because you need to generate crux. Anarchist is extremely strong. You should be using tentacles and renegades together with fatecarver
@@mattyquinn9174 Yea but right now Arcanist smashing the rankings of solo arenas. Last week i was with 270K points place 17 in the arcanist ranking but i would be second o nthe templar ranking. Just saying
@@mattyquinn9174 Exactly. The Pale Order is really good with Arcanist, but for harder content like vet vateshran I can't help but feel like I 'need' to use it to make it out of that place.
Playing another class with the ring like templar or magblade seems to be more of a "convenience" thing than a necessity but that might just be me still trying to figure it out.
4:52, I made a Nightblade tank and pretty much run with maximum hp with buffs on my 2nd bar. And as 1 of the few NB health tanks youll never see, I whole heartedly agree.
I play with a necro tank and tbh, ive been able to duo through all pve content in the game fairly easy with my friend as a magblade. even ran Inf arch without trouble for About 20+ stages due to its awesome sustain and res skills. Highly reccomend making a necro tank.
Ring of the pale order makes every class viable for solo play imo!
Not just an opinion, that's a fact. If a player can't solo even with the ring, there's something seriously wrong there.
This isnt a viability tier list though... Its min maxed.......
Spell Power Cure, Elemental Catalyst Magcro healer. Velothi Ur, Dark Elf, one bar DMG, one bar NECRO heal skills. Destro/Resto. Push the damage, feed corpses for the cheap heals. Fantastic in 4 man content. I did VHM Unhallowed last night no issues.
Breton Arcanist. Velothi, Apocryphal Inspiration, Spell Power Cure. 40k parse on a 21 mill as a healer.
I walk in, Arcanist Domain, Healing orb, throw out my bubbles. Usually have 3 crux, bar swap, beam. Anyone takes any damage while in my beam, bar swap, refresh.
I throw healing synergies on one bar, and the best DD synergy in the game in the front bar.
My tank has 45% recovery on all 3 stats if he's in my Arcanist circle with me. I can keep 100% uptime on over 600 free weapon and spell damage.
Quit telling these new players there's NO way to play these classes and play them WELL.
I will NEVER set foot in a VHM trial simply because I KNOW they'll say something about my build.
My guild loves my weird builds. I know I'm not 85-100k deeps on a parse, cuz who fkn cares? I love Elder Scrolls. Slash builds have been a staple of the series since it's inception.
Yes, slash builds require skill, patience, and creativity. But I'd rather have a gimped character I created to run the content I enjoy than try and fit in with a group of people who say there's literally only 3 good classes in the game.
I used to no life ESO but I haven't played in a really long time, I'm changing to ps5 to join my friends (they've been really busy the past few years so I been on pc) but since I haven't played in so long I was wondering, what would be a better healer a Necro (what I have on pc and enjoy) or a arcanist in your opinion
@@simplevx I have an Arcanist healer that I really like. I run Spell Power Cure, Powerful Assault and Spaulder of Ruin.
@@finnydot what do you think i should make a necro or arcanist?
@@simplevx Arcanist healer is awesome.
dungeon tanks - i think necro tank can be S tier because of resurect ult (can res 3 players) if you can survive well as tank you can carry vet hardmodes like this (even if its not pretty) also Arcanist dungeon dps should be S tier, in dungeons there is a lot AoE + boss moves more from place to place and Arcanist DPS can deal well with both things
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Yes I agree 100%. Necro Tanks should definitely be S Tier especially for dungeons
Also personally I think arc is better than dk
We dont care raise for trifecta lol
for solo play, mag necro is garbage tier. After maining it for soloing stuff for over a year, I decided to switch it up and try some other classes for solo dungeons. Even with half-assed builds and sets, EVERY other class did miles better than my necro did. I've since abandoned that class and unfortunately, much of my desire to play went with it. I hope they can do something with the class to make it better.
I’ve mained necro for a few years now and back when I took my last hiatus during sometime near the high isle release it was an S tier. Did something happen to it?
@@JCrushFitness in group content, it can be useful for its ult, but there are now sets that can also fulfill that niche. I am speaking from a solo perspective; arenas, dungeons etc. Necromancer, especially magicka, is lacking in a lot of areas.
Spirit Guardian took a nerf, and other skills are either very situational, buggy or just rubbish in general. It can still do well in organized group content with group buffs helping it but alone, it is probably the worst class in the game for solo by quite a margin.
@@theflesh1072 my b. I should've clarified that I am talking about Magcro. Stamcro is still good for soloing.
@@lukoscreydenyou have no idea what you are talking about
Made my first character and got to CP 90 just in the past two weeks. It was a Mag Necro. I made a Sorcerer alt for fun it was immediately more pleasurable to use. I'm so bummed I spent time and money on necro
10:05 Before U35 necromancer healers were using empowering grasp which increased damage to BOTH light and heavy attacks. With U35, this is the impact which U35 made with changes to the Empower buff. ZOS killed necromancer healers and it's almost a year they did nothing to bring them back.
I JUST made a necromancer healer and now I see this? 😭
@@whit9172my friend mains necro healer. They are still good
@@whit9172 there's nothing stopping you from amazing healing on a necromancer. on these tier lists we're really just splitting hairs over unique class buffs.
in terms of raw healing ALL of that can and mostly should be achieved with resto staff abilities (springs, combat prayer), then vigour or regeneration for a heal over time, and blood alter from undaunted.
necromancer skills: I love the unnerving boneyard skill for taking off enemy armour that the tank can't reach (pick the correct morph for that) which can be used instead or to compliment elemental susceptibility. the colossus is incredibly important if no one else is a necro or if the tank isnt providing major vuln for some reason (typical pugs). Ruinous scythe can be used for off balance. necrotic potency for building ultimate (awesome with pillager's set in trials or war machine/ master architect in dungeons) Bone totem is useful too and so are a few other skills like the healing tether and the ghost buddy to absorb damage from you if you're taking a lot of damage for some reason. empowering grasp used to be required but i have a hard time justifying it now.
hope this helps!
Couldn't agree more, this is spot on, I have all dps and play them all, came to the same conclusions. only factors to consider in terms of bis dps is what content and what sets, like templar with azure in some fights out parse dk. also i've slowly seen arcanists top dps runs i've been in for dlc hm trial runs. the meta might shift somewhat in a few weeks after some balance, and nb needs some love for sure
How did NB fall so low? When I was playing it was always A or S tier.
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Other classes, particularly DK got over buffed and entered into a tier of its own in terms of dps. Additionally, all the things NB provides can now be provided easily by other sources. Finally, it's the most complicated class to play and just to get NB to work at an average level requires more work than any other class which is complete bs.
@@Bumbum_Inspector Ye. I feel like NB should be the king of single target DPS
I'm on my copium Templar and Nightblade tanks in vet trials xD
It's fun to find a way to make them work.
I really like the Minor/Major Cowardice debuff from the Nightblades. Combined with Dark Cloak and Blur, it makes you pretty tanky
same, been a templar main since day one granted now i have 3 templars and at least 2 of every class (excluding ONE night blade) but i have invested heavily into him and he can fullfil any role very well.
I'm like this with on nightblade healing. Everyone wants my warden but i put my foot down and said "no you're getting a nightblade." Been pretty fun getting hardmodes and stuff in content and some content really tests me as a healer since i play a less than optimal healer class
@@AshtheDragon-l4e i feel that too mainly i heal on my nb for dailies and stuff or tank just for fast queues even tho i can do insane fcking dmg as a dps i wont wait 30 mins
lol
I remember many years ago, struggling to get through valkyn skoria on vet cuz the healers we kept running through just couldn't cut it. One by one they just kept dropping out. Then this random DK healer popped into the group out of nowhere. On God I roasted that dude so hard I'm surprised he didn't leave. Dude never said a word. We ran skoria like it was on easy mode. Not a single death in the group. My jaw hit the floor.
I'll never forget that..
You’re welcome
As a necro main (initially) i can honestly say "healing" on necro is not that OP however, i'd put it as S as healer simply because of its shielding capabilities. The ult generation is insane, if you run barrier with the soul absorption skill (forgot the name) you can have another barrier up before 1 passively ends, not to mention stacking that with other shielding sets, it feels like group immortality. But for just straight healing i agree with your A rating. Id say between A or B.
I was a little surprised to see Templar ranked so low on the Tanking Tier List. I love tanking on my Templar(s). I've never felt like, _"if only I were on my DK right now, this would be so much easier!"_
They need to repurpose the Templar ultimates to make them a bit more group utility. Otherwise. I love my templar tank. Its just fun to play.
sadly templar tank lacks of crowd control
I back bar tormentor set on my templar tank. With explosive charge it becomes an AOE taunt which is really nice for 4 man dungeons and such
Templars make SUPERB tanks for all manner of content, do not doubt that for a moment.
But when you are trying to do fully optimised vTrial HM runs there will always be min-max setups, that's just the way it is.
I would never refuse to run a trial if the tanks were Templars. That's just silly.
You'll notice when you get to harder content and you try ourlt the different classes. I love my warden tank, and i absolutely hate playing necro tank.. but some vet content, having a necro tank is basically a must. And lately ive been shifting over to dragonknight tank because it provides just as much buffs to the team, though more often than not, those buffs are less likely to overlap with healers buffs, as healers generally come as wardens in 4mans. And because DK is the survival king. Warden has massive burst heal and really great buff coverage, but DK is just a g.o.a.t. UNIT
New player now L160 CP 500 something. I only have experience with the Dragonknight and I picked DK for no particular reason after quickly reading the specs. And I am so glad I did. I am mostly a solo player and I saw I can play some seriously hard content on solo if my setup/skills are good. And I learned to make a really good setup of my favorite companion Isobel as a 1- Tank/2- Healer. The skills and the order of the companion skills on the bar make a huge difference in performance. Took me a while to realize how much I have to care about these cool off timeouts, skill selection and the order of the skills from left to right. I will definitely have to play other class, tho. I enjoy ESO a lot more I thought than I would to be honest. Its a good game, lots of stats and fine tuning (if you want) and I like that.
I'll take my Garbage Templar Tank :) any day and continue to plow thru Vet Content with ease while supplying the groups with a plethora of Buffs.. All these videos about Meta and crap all comes down to the Player. Any Player can master any content with almost any class. Best of Luck!
Why would you pick a templar tank over a dk with stone giant and a necro with collosus and the best survivability in the game, templar brings no damage increase to the group that a templar dd or healer can't already bring
@@zakpedley5160 I Run Turning Tide and offer plenty of benefits to my group. I did not say the other classes are garbage either. I said i would take my Templar Tank any day. Tanking is not Just about being Selfish or Not Selfish obviously. Best of Luck!
@@eldersmitter precisely tanking isn't about being selfish and templar tank is very selfish, as I said minimal unique group buffs, that can't already be applied by templar dd or healer
@@zakpedley5160 lol you're going to argue regardless. Calling a Templar Tank Selfish is comical. I love my Templar Tank. I see Many Garbage tanks of all Kinds Dragon knights included does not matter the Class that cannot get thru tons of content so it makes no difference what buffs they are giving the group if they cannot survive. It is all about gameplay as well.
Cheers!
@@eldersmitter dw mate it's okay to be wrong
Oof and here I made a NB for trial dps, a Warden for trial tanking, and a Necro for trial heals (specifically for making this easy, I mean). Felt like it was a no brainer; the assassin class will simply always be a good dps pick, the class that puts a dozen heals and buffs on himself will survive, and the dude that literally keeps the dead alive would make a good healer. At least I have picks for group dungeons.
The dude that keeps the dead alive lol 😂😂
IMO, while ESO gives tons of freedom to customization, the developers always invision a class identity and a certain playstyle as a main focus when creating a class. This is true for all games. While it is true that you can be a stamina sorcerer or a magicka nightblade, each class was designed with a main role / playstyle in mind at the start.
I find all classes, in the right hands, to be more than capable to heal, deal respectable dps and tank, regardless of the content, as long as the mechanics are learned and understood, the gear is in check and the game sense is developed, even with your average crafted gear.
For example, I started playing when there were only 4 classes in the game.
I always envisioned Templar as the Healing Class, Sorcerer as Magical Ranged DPS, Nightblade as Ranged or Melee Physical DPS and Dragonknight as the Tank/Bruiser. That is literally how my characters are. I never felt the need to go for more than 4 characters, one for each of the main 4 classes. Necro and Warden never peeked my interest.
I left the game about 2 years ago, but I come back every year to check out 1 year worth of content (which isn't that much IMO) that I missed. The mistake of the developers is that they keep almost all builds viable so when you come back, unless you like experiment and have the best build or complete your collection, you don't have much to do after about 2k hours. Just do transmog, farm some more loot, craft, do some quests, maybe get some collectibles and level up some niche skill lines.
Any class is good for any content. Just depends on how much you want to struggle vs have an easier time.
I run NB for trials and I still got Shield of the North achievement (Kyne's Aegis Vet all HM's) with my party. Pain in the @$$ but I pulled it off with my DPS. It's about commitment to the cause.
Or I could ditch NB, play Arcanist and put in half the effort and do 2x the damage.
You're being very generous with Nightblade in this video. What's wrong with NB?
1) Useless tank.
2) Useless dps.
3) Mediocre healer.
4) Zero class fantasy.
5) Doesn't feel like an assassin class.
6) ESO's "assassin" class has almost 0 assassin themed abilities.
7) ESO's "assassin" class does not know how to use a bow and has 0 options for a ranged bow assassin build.
8) Absolutely must use Relequen's, Nirn and Kjalnar's or Zaan's just to do mediocre damage. Any other set usage results in massive damage loss.
9) Zenimax hates ESO in general, but especially hates the Nightblade class.
10) Nightblade is a dumpster fire.
I feel you dont like the nightblade.
@@bradturner7678 It's been my main since ESO's launch and I've always loved them, but they're in the worst spot currently that they've ever been and it's really bad. The most complicated class in the game has to work much harder than any other class just to get bare bones mediocre dps, meanwhile the Arcanist can just stand there and spam beam and be more useful than NB.
@@Bumbum_Inspector I'm in the same boat. NB is my main but it is by far my worst class of all my alts, which I have played for far less time. The aoe is non existant, the ST is medicore at best, ranged builds are dead, stamblade is dead, worthless tank, not even an meta healer choice anymore. too hard to play. I like nothing about this class but it's my main. I don't even like it in pvp because despite it being strong it is far harder to play than warden or DK. They could delete NB and nothing would change in the meta.
@@lukasr1166 Yup. It's a tragic state that Nightblade is currently in and I really wish instead of doing the Arcanist, they instead went back to the other classes and rebalanced them, rebalanced the weapon skill lines, and gave all class skill lines and weapon skill lines 2-3 brand new abilities to play with. I really don't get why they don't add new abilities to the game to give people more options and playstyles.
NIghtblades are pretty rare in vet trials these days.
I'm a magden main and have done alot of the hard modes with that class as a dd and I could not pull it of with another class in someways it just comes down to your playstile to some classes juat work better for you know of a necro healer that's healing trial hardmodes
DK over preforms in ever single aspect of the game lol pvp or pve. Such an OP over tuned class, literally nerfing yourself by wasting time and effort playing anything else. Just make one DK class and call it a day you'll no diff the game if you have thumbs
You god damn right
Maybe it is the best numbers wise but I dont find DK aesthetically pleasing so in that regard DK would be the nerf lol
@@maxmustermann2367 any person w 2 brain cells can. It keeps you alive by just picking the class and does dmg for you by just picking the class. You don’t need to be good
@@zedorian6547 idk dragons are kinda cool. They just gotta delete the class
@@maxmustermann2367 okay tough guy. You’re so good you beat them. Sorry to disrespect you master. Please don’t hurt me
ill be the first to admit that your way more knowledgeable then i am at pve eso, however my love for Templar will never die, and neither will my Templar tank xD, love your videos Nefas your so chill keep em coming share the wealth of knowledge
Templar tank ganggg, my second have class to tank on
If you're new to the game remember that the "best" class or "meta" as they call it keeps changing from patch to patch, so what's now "garbage" may be "S-tier" later. Just pick a class you like that is fun to play. Having fun playing is far more important than min-maxing for certain content
eso is pretty alt friendly compared to other games so just make one of everything! You can send gear to an alt and chances are it'll still be pretty good since most classes can use similar sets to their benefit.
@@wynngwynn true its just a matter of patience the main thing i hated when i started was making leveling training, but now i have like 15 charecters al max, and all max training granted ive been playing for ages alittle off and mostly on haha. plus i work full time Sadge if i didnt i could really getter done
my main was a templar, made him a tank over the years try to follow guides and make it viable and i feel like no matter what, i found it difficult to tank as more DLC dungeons released, im like okay im going to make a dk tank and man i feel like alot of those dungeons i was struggling with was a breeze. thinkning of making my templar a stam dps and making my magsorc a tank. This was informative, and kinda wish i made an stamarcanist than a stamblade after seeing this
Very well put together video. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
I would love to see a versatility comparison on all classes going from healer, tank to DPS between stamina and Magikarp.
Wonders how often you type magikarp for it to be an autocorrect option. But that would be an interesting video or series
@@travis7609 Magikarp BiS
Magikarp 😂 wtf
Hey Nefas, I am not sure if you see my comment here. Would you like to do another tier liest for the upcoming u 41 patch. I d love to see how each class does in the future. Thanks in advance. Cheers
I would argue that having one Brittleden in a trial is not the worst thing.
Since they have a rather large toolkit and do (quite a lot of) damage with a "Tank Weapon"
In vTrials i get sometimes tasked with taunting a certain mob to, works good on warden, can work on sorc (bound armor).
warden is an interesting one with the right setups its very strong dps but i know the class like the back of my hand lol i would put from my experience warden at s tier i hit my highest dps on the class followed by my templar to each there own though
its all about proccing the shalks and fetcher flys as well as bear execute with other skills thrown in too i use my warden for trial dps and it performs well enough stam warden hits harder but magwarden has better survivalbilty
It's the worst performing class alongside NB. Equally garbage
BITE the DUST !!!
I am the Night Blade DPS !!
…but absolutely agree with you.
So, wouldn't the Necromancer's Renewing Animation ult be an excellent healer resource in times of difficulty?
I will gladly take my Templar Tank.
I don't know champ, I went recently with my templar tank (archdruid, pearlscent, infalliable aether) in falkreath hold and one guy there randomly just called me "amazing tank" so i can only imagine what bad expecience he has to have with tanks, it was NA so all other tanks he experienced were pron DKs
80% of all players are noobs and 99% of all tanks are noobs. So yeah.
Tanks is a hot commodity for dungeons since tanks are more in a way technical compared to dps and healing nowadays. As a tank role it’s a lot of micro managing, body placement, and making sure you don’t get one shot so it’s real easy to notice if the tank fucks up and some people can’t handle the embarrassment. Not so much early game but mid you start to feel it and late game is when to test your worth as a tank.
I'm new, what is the best single player pve class? i just wana play like a single player game and be able to do hard stuff by my self.
What class and race would be the best?
Dragonknight is unkillable. pretty good for beginners aswell. its op in pvp and pve. good dps and a godlike tank.
Stamarc is super op in 4 man. 80-100k on bosses. Trash anywhere from 120 to 150k the majority of the time.
In trials, it is rare I am not top dps, beating out dks on the majority of fights.
Arenas are a walkover on Arcanist too
I have a feeling that Nefas does not play Arcanist much.
I also tank vet(hm)4 man and trial on the arcanist. It works very well with some fights easier on an arc tank and some easier on nevro. I have a dk tank, but it never really clicked with me. DKs are great tanks, just not fun for me.
Can you do a pvp one? Really value your advice :)
Agreed, please! Been thinking about getting into pvp more
Nightblade dungeon tanking goes absolute dummy. It is so fun and pretty easy for most everything except the hardest trifectas
"Except the hardest trifectas"
Like Nefas said, it can work, but its not that good.
Kinda sad to see Nightblade as garbage dps when it used to outperform all other classes long ago. I don't remember any huge nerfs to the class. Did all other classes just get buffed so much that they do better dps than nightblade now?
i'm totally just guessing here since i don't know what caspars logic is for that decision, but for me personally based on my experience with the class i would say the logic is that when nightblade is in the hands of a truly skilled player it can be god tier dps. but anything short of an amazing player will just not get the full potential out of a nb. and nb is that one class that absolutely needs you to be ON POINT with how you play it and maintain its buffs and procs etc. nb is such a zero room for error class so even one tiny mistake by someone playing a nb can knock it from god tier to average at best.
Dragonknight got over buffed essentially and is just in a tier of its own in terms of dps. The other issue with Nightblade is they don't really provide any group wide buffs or debuffs and the ones that they do bring can be obtained easily from other sources, so Nightblades are just kind of useless because the only thing they bring to the group is okay damage now which any class can bring.
It's why I've stopped playing the game because there's zero class fantasy, Nightblade is my main and it just sucks at pretty much everything now while simultaneously being the most complicated class to play. There's no real point to playing one when you can just play the insanely easy Arcanist who does just as much or more damage than Nightblade and brings WAY more utility to the group.
It is purely single target, the damage is bad, only melee range, difficult rotation and if you want good damage there is no self healing. It's trash.
@@lukasr1166i have to disagree. You can still slot vigor for heals and the Relentless focus proc does heal you.
Honestly i main nb for vet hms and so long if you get regen you dont have to worry about it.
The problem with NB is that you have to br good with it to see good value. If youre mid or worse its not good.
@@PrimeHunter3195 you can slot vigor if you want your already bad to be damage worse. The real problem with NB is that the aoe damage is utter garbage and it takes 3 times as long to clear trash pulls as it does with a DK.
Never seen your vids before. You, my guy, have a great voice for radio, announcing, commercials, etc.
Good shit buddy!
I played eso for 3 years from release and DK was king. Im only now returning and the king still hasn't been dethroned. Long live the MF king!
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The nightblade tank is strong and its easy to play if u learn it dk is just for beginner the (best) its easy to play so yeah but it gives nothing else u have a buff dk in trials so u dont need a dk tank instead u can take everything else as a tank... the nightblade healer is in trials s tier.... the templar dps is in trials c tier because if u have 1 templar in your group u dont want another... the necromancer as dps is the same think u dont need the coloss anymore and the nightblade is very strong for boss fights as dps so i would put it in a tier the perfect group would be:
Tank arcanist
Tank necromancer
Heal nightblade
Heal arcanist
Dd buff necromancer
Dd buff dragonknight
Dd wardan
Dd templar
Dd nightblade
Dd dragonknight
Dd nightblade
Dd dragonknight
Facts^ most underrated build ever PvE Tankblade
You have the perfect voice and demeanor to be someone’s cool old uncle… you’ll grow into the role, give it time.
Dk healing imo is a much more advanced class to heal on. Dk healing is not beginner friendly by any means, it very niche but with all the aoe heals with the right group coordination healing as a dk is very strong especially if you can maintain the stagger from stone giant.
Everyone seems to hate necro dps but I enjoy it. Its fun and rewarding loading a horde up with a million dots.
In arena I usually have the most damage on my team. I dont usually get the most kills but having the most damage is satisfying
Does necro have the most dots? I'm new and I'm looking for a dot class
Arcanist is easily one of the best Solo arena classes. Its so obnoxiously easy and tanky, ans does insane damage. Its basically a gueanteed clear.
It also is easily S+ tier DPS for 4 man and trials with someone who knows how to position with the beam.
They always do this tho, they just gonna do the exact same thing they did with oakensoul, nerf it as soon as their sales hit the target.
It is S tier at everything, it is inevitable. It is too bad like Oakensoul builds, I find it pretty fun and a change of pace to other styles of play somewhat. All of our guild run logs almost always have Arcanists at the top, even beating some of our better DK's that used to be top.
Would you please make a new list for Update 40?
Is dragonknight S tier for solo pve ? If so, which variant, stam or mag ?
Stam for sure
Do you think ZOS will try to balance the classes better in Q3/4 of 2023?
(My stamden has been screwed since Patch Voldemort and I'm losing patience with the game).
They've got update 39 coming out soon with some balancing I believe, you'd have to check out the PTS tho
0:30-0:34 "Don't be offended if I..." Ok... turning caps lock on in preparation...
As only having a DK. I feel very good watching this.
Dk - dd. Is magika ore stam better? I will make one put i dont know witch side. Please for help
I did a couple of vateshran vet runs in arcanist its damn op but im saying that as a necro player so i didnt tried other classes
i dont agree with arco for solo trials... my cp 379 arco wiped vet malestrom dude... and i learnt the mechanics on the fly...
Yes, arcanist is busted in arenas. People are destroying their all time records with little to no efforts. Meanwhile DK requires a lot of skill to do an average score.
Might just be me but the mechanics in ESO aren't hard to learn at all
I've been telling my friends they should cut the time of heavy attacks that bosses do in half.
Waaayy to easy to block/parry.
Those solo arena tiers are wack lol. Templar is the single best vVH class, and a close second is likely Arcanist which has the best trash clear in the game, and the most accessible burst with a monster burst ult and the beam while there are only a few interrupt mechs in the entire arena. Necro is the worst, and the rest are between the those in a/b tier, except warden sustain is terrible excluding its incredible heavy attack variant and maybe its stam variant (but stam is at a huge disadvantage in vVH because of the pen requirements) so it might be in copium while necro is in the garbage tier.
If you know so much what are you doing in this video?🤣
@@JJGACA19 watching another ESO content creator to see what they think about the state of the classes?
please tell me why zoz made blade worse by making the unique 10% damage from passive to non passive
PVP
Soooo trial dps. If a raid lead is looking for
dk tank/cro off tank
warden/arc healers
1 ec mk spaulder cro
1zenkosh dk
And stacking with 6 dks full damage….
Any argument for switching any of those dks to templars or arcanists seeing as how they are labelled s tier as well? Or is the straight up meta rn just stacking all dks
What are the best dps classes for endgame on the magic side? And then the Stam side? Ik it makes a difference
It makes no difference because optimal play is hybridization right now. You shouldn't be doing only stamina or only Magicka.
15:44 Nightblade went from a dependable "A" to garbage in like 30 seconds in this video. 😂🙄. Have to love ESO opinions.
I set my DK up to uave essentially two bars of overshield while those over shields launch mortars because of a monster set hes impossible to kill and while he's tanking its causing damage on top of my normal rotation
Hey man, U have a beautiful deep voice! You should sell it some how:) Thanks for the content
So why then, when i search best builds july 2023 for eso does a dragonknight stam build rate like a class c or something?
love your voice and style bro. great video!
Yeah I was talking with my guild mates about why my warden hits with foam balls… apparently it needs to be rebalanced for PvE… Sadge…
I like your input about the arcanist. I had to plan what can give me Crux in order to make the beams the most powerful.
Good video!!
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DK, we can do everything but heal you!
Hi all, returning after over a year off, I was a magsorc main, are stam sorc viable for solo and all PvE content or should I stick with magsorc?
I play Stam sorc and it does really good damage the only thing is you have to watch your stamina pool but with all your passives and everything it shouldn’t be a problem
I've been using a sorc tank as my main for over 2 years now and ive cleared more content with him than any of my other toons. These lists really are based on the players because I cant stand using a DK tank even though i have one because they're just boring!
Dude same but with a Tankblade, I haven't ran into a sorc tank before but I know they have a lot of op skills to make them tanky. I wouldn't hesitate to let someone tank in a trial based on their class EVER. As long as you got the gear and skill you're welcome to haha. But yeah DK mid AF and a snooze fest 😴
DK Tank is weaker on certain hard mode bosses, where Necro Tank performs much better do to there passive to reduce damage over time taken. Rest of the content they are about on par, nether is better then the other but they are better then other class tanks. Overall, Necro tank is the best.
No denying Necro tank is a really OP off tank and great with debuffing and add control, I just couldn't get into it idk I think it was all the ability timers, just a bit overwhelming for me personally haha but if you can tank comfortably and have a fun time ggs you have my respect
@dooma beat both veteran solo arenas using one hand (PC) with the Arcanist, making it S tier 😂
Nerf DKs. They’re S in everything except heals.
I find that my frost warden excells very well in all areas for dps I have no issues at all but that is because I main a frost warden
Thanks, main takeaway - we need to nerf dk's back to oblivion 👍
is warrior any good as a tank ? :( im new in the game installing right now
What
I'm surprised you didn't make seperate videos for each tier list
I’ve only been playing for a week and only a few hours, I think I’m level 10, but so far this game is SO easy that I love this list so I can pick the worst class I can to give some challenge. It’s as easy as Skyrim and they somehow ported the super dumb AI over from all the build engine games in to this one. But it’s a beautiful game and I’m loving it. I just roll play as a super badass and enjoy the power trip. Im sure it’ll get tougher but it’s the same as Skyrim/ Fallout 3/ Fallout 4 so far.
End game definetly gets hard especially when you start getting into the cp levels
Been a nightblade since day 1. I have to say i couldnt disagree more in that regard.... ive done all 3 roles in trials, and well. I rarely am out dpsd in single target usually by a dragon knight if i am.
As a skilled Necromancer tier list is pretty accurate but i do think solo arena i do better than copium
Imo tanking on a nb ia very easy with all the heals and dodge cost reduction and you get major resolve for free. Why so low?
Severe lack of group utility. Warden, DK, and Necro just have more to offer the group by way of poop fist, molten weapons, group shields, flies, colossus, etc. NB is a selfish class for tanking.
Because while NB is fairly user friendly for a tank, it's also a very selfish tank bringing almost nothing for the group to exploit when compared to DK and necro. NB in general is just overall useless in pve unfortunately and ZoS needs to stop doing dumb game systems and new classes and revisit the old classes and redesign them and give them more tools to play with.
Weird echo in here 🧐😅
@@rudyphox7903 Yea it didn't display your comment when I was typing mine for some reason lol.
It doesn't "naturally" have a lot of built in utility but that's why you run sets lol. This guy just knows nothing about Tankblades, most people don't. You see in a lot of MMOs that you cant tank on rouge classes, but ESO stands by it's Any Class Any Role style, and some think ESO is WoW for some reason when it's not lol
NB garbage for trials? That is the most interesting thing i saw this year
He's no longer a real endgame player like he was, back when Rockgrove released ish era and got PB, he was good, but he has been slacking ever since u35 release.
@@chrisyoung2596but it's true. NB has been the worst DD in the game for 2 years
@ChrisJames-qi8oe worst. Lowest damage, lowest cleave, ranged builds are dead, no group utility. Trash all around. There is litterally nothing NBs are good at as DDs.
Necro dps is good?
Lol...Arcanist B for solo arenas? You melt everything with beam
If ur new player DON’T PICK NEXROMANCER, i’m at at 410cp still don’t how to utilise it, it’s way too complicated
DK is the best DPS class, but now we have 7-8 arcanists as DPS in trials :D
If I was even decent with a nightblade id be upset be I suck with it
Arcanist getting done dirty. Previous to the Arcanist's release (I'm on console), I'd already beaten vateshran trifecta and flawless Malestrom. Trying it all out on arcanist, it was absolutely silly how good it was with pale order. But I suppose every class is good solo with pale order.
Imagine making the cliche fantasy paladin class the worst tank in the game
Can't decide between dk or arcabist
I'm very new to eso 3rd time trying to get into it, and I actually made it past lvl 10 this time lmao anyways was just curious if I'm being dumb, I queue for dps as a dot stamplar, started off doing like 50% damage or more on my damage tracker but the more I've been going up I'm dropping to like 20% but I don't really have too many heals, and I definitely don't have a taunt so I know not to go tank. Could also just be me being bad at my rotations, or the fact it seems 80% of people just sprint through random dungeons :/
I'm sorry but Templar Tank is not Garbage for dungeon runs not even close, this shows me you dont understand the class. Sure its not S tier like DK but its not garbage.
Templar tanks have some survivability but don’t offer any real group utility. Same as NB. A tank’s job isn’t simply to stay alive, you are support and are responsible for buffs, debuffs, and add control. Templar doesn’t have any of that really built into the class tanking toolkit. Other classes that aren’t commonly used for tanking add more than templar for group utility.
@@JohnSmith13146 totally agree but I still wouldnt say Templar Tank is garbage. A class in garbage would mean to me they bring nothing which isnt the case with Templar.
I feel like the arcanist placement in the solo arena section kinda invalidates this list
Necromancer is literally the best PVE healer, with the ghost floating around that automatically heals the lowest target and the ability that collects souls to gain the fastest support ults in the game
You put arcanist at B for solo? Are you high?
I'm thinking so. I went around seeing what I could solo. I outperform any of my other classes. WBs vet dungeons, arenas. All cleared faster.
I'm surprised NB in Trials is in Garbage tier, but I guess it really depends on what the group needs. I always am called as a NB to trials but I assume it's due to the fact that I'm an experienced NB
Not sure if people have picked up on this yet but the common thing that makes a class OP for dps is whether its class passives are strong or not. Both DK and Templar have some of the most busted dps passives in the game. Burning is the best status effect by a mile. Increaseing a status effect that is already one of every classes top dps sources by 33% is just nuts. DK also procs it 100% of the time bursting it even further ahead. Templar have free weapon/spell power with only 1 ability needing to be slotted. Every other class has to slot 4-5 abilities to see a large buff from thier passives. In a meta where class abilities are rarely taken or able to be taken on just one bar this puts them way ahead. Then look at passives for necro.... Utter trash.
Im Gonna start playing want a solo content clearing machine any tips for class ?
Arcanist best PVE endgame tank
If NB is garbage, why not have them run zens/kosh in trial? You put Necro over them simply for their smash, but lotus fan procs zens and gives minor vuln on demand. Why waste 20-30k dps on making a DK do it?