Authors I'm No Longer Supporting
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I disagree with "it's not your story to tell". You (not specifically you, but society as a whole) want diversity but then diversity is added to books and it's "YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THAT STORY".
Yes! 100x this!
There are so many authors who broke barriers with their stories because they wrote stories about marginalized groups\people while not being part of that group.
It's important for people to be educated on things they're writing about, but never writing a diverse story that tackles race\sex\sexuality\gender issues? I don't think it's conducive to dialogue or education.
I agree with most of this, but this whole mentality of "it's not your story to tell" is really toxic. Yes, authors can get it wrong and they often react negatively when confronted about it, but telling people to only write what they themselves know will regress the progress we've had with representation recently... This mentality is basically just asking for less representation... Especially if we ask queer people to ONLY write about their own particular queerness??? (I'm not defending Lee here, it's just that I've seen this often with many different authors)
It would be great for more ownvoices authors to get published, but we also shouldn't tell people to... not write diversely? Hold them accountable for that diversity not being racist, homophobic, transphobic and what have you, absolutely, but encourage them to do better! Not tell them to stay in their own lane....
I feel exactly the same. Nothing should be off limits when it comes to writing diversely
In some ways, I do agree, but also in many ways I don't. A lot of authors I have read who have written books with problematic diversity mostly use cliches, and stereotypes, and it feels like they have done very little research into what it's like to be someone that does not share the same story as them. Many authors seemed to have done most of their research on Wikipedia or perhaps haven't talked to people whose story that is, or probably haven't gotten any beta readers to read their books and give them feedback on what would be more realistic with the characters or situation.
This, honestly. As long as the author treats it correctly and actually does research, maybe a few interviews, there's no problem. The problem comes with offensive cliches and the like
I very much agree… I like to think of it like this (and ofc this goes from straight authors and queer characters as well) - if you are say, a white author, you should one hundred percent write about non-white characters. However- you should not write a story that is specifically ***centered*** on the experience of being POC- because THAT is not your story to tell.
Off the top of my head, Rick Riordan wrote many many passages from the POV of Hazel, a young black girl, and included details about struggles she faced (I’m fairly certain she grew up partially in the 50s or so?) and never did I think he was writing her offensively.
However, if I heard Rick was writing a book that had a similar plot to The Color Purple or Beloved, I would not be down- because those are narratives where the ***central theme*** boils down to experiencing life as a black woman.
I agree, I feel like it’s a double edged sword in some ways
I think your views concerning Maas, are becoming the norm. When she first came upon the scene, like with her first Throne of Glass books, it was enjoyable...you had a strong, badass, feminine protagonist, and there were some well-rounded, and even funny characters. Then as you went along it drifted, where you were wondering if Sarah, was just fantasizing, and daydreaming about a stud Fae affair. Ever since, that has been the continuing theme. Maybe Sarah J. Maas should take a trip th the Old Country, find an abandoned forest, strip down naked, and wait until a Fae version of Brad Pitt from "A River Runs Through It", comes along and ravishes her for about ten straight hours, until the dawn arises. Then with that long-burning desire finally fulfilled, she can return and perhaps, write solid material again.
Leigh Bardugo is a time zone or two ahead of where Maas could even hope to be as a writer. Maas should read Sabaa Tahir, to get ideas about what great writing and fully- developed characters are, to maybe return back to being a decent author again.
@@joshuarose2799 I love Sabaa!!
Throne of glass wasn’t good either
I'm so glad someone else read the Court of.... series and thought Nesta was insufferable
This video was really great, there's a lot I didn't know about these authors and I'm glad I can now avoid spending money on them, haha. It sucks when people are given a platform that not everyone has, and they just really screw it up.
I think the only thing I would have to express a different opinion on is the idea that authors should not try to write outside of their own lived experience. I think the exciting and wonderful thing about being an author (I'm not a published author, though I'd love to be one day) is exploring perspectives and worlds outside of yourself, and also helping to provide representation where it is lacking. Of course, there is the caveat that it needs to be done WELL and respectfully. And I do think priority needs to be given to opening publishing up to more authors of marginalized groups, as that's obviously a huge problem right now.
As a POC, I've always loved seeing representation of South Asians in books and media, regardless of who writes it, as long as they've done their due diligence to do proper research and, nowadays, hiring sensitivity readers. I do think there's a difference between writing about the experience of being in a marginalized group, versus writing a character who is in that group but the story is about a different journey (the former I think is much trickier if it is not in your lived experience). Of course, this is just one person's opinion, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
Thanks for bringing attention to these problematic authors! :)
It honestly sucks that imperfect people have to go and ruin good books... My code of conduct now is if I really really want to read the book without supporting the author, I'll only buy used so they don't get any extra income from it. But I'm learning I can live without those books anyways!
I'm adding these books to my watchlist. Thanks.
With all due respect, I'm a little puzzled by some of your views in this video. On the one hand you criticize some of these authors for only having straight white cis characters but then criticize straight white authors for having main minority characters? I'm a disabled asexual lesbian woman and finding ANY media that has someone even partially like me in it is nearly impossible. I would be THRILLED if more authors wrote asexual, disabled, or lesbian main characters even if they aren't disabled or lgbtq+ themselves as long as they did the research and actually talked to disabled or lgbtq+ people to run it by them and see if there are any issues with the representation.
Would it be great if publishing treated minority authors the same way they do abled white straight cis authors? Of course. But I also don't want to only write about my trauma and struggles as a disabled person or as a queer woman and that seems like the only stories we're allowed to tell if everyone went by the "it's not your story to tell, let only minorities tell minority stories".
The way I do it is to only read problematic authors when they are dead. For example, Lovecraft was extremely racist and it is reflected in his books but they are the basis of cosmic horror, so I remind myself of that before I read any of them. On the other hand, J.K. Rowling could write another Harry Potter sequel and I wouldn't even borrow that one from the library.
Can people just leave jk rowling alone already. She's fine and people love to demonize her
@@popcultureoverdosed no we will not leave her alone lmao she’s transphobic.
@@popcultureoverdosed JK has said some very transphobic things and hasn't stopped nor apologized
@Corvidae I wish more people know that Lovecraft changed as he got older, and was exposed to a wider social circle. But very few people actually acknowledge that he looked back on his past racism with regret.
@@songweretson1513 he don't get a pass for doing the par minimum when so many nonwhite people were suffering at that time all the terrorism, they faced for their color Weres there pass.
That's an interesting point you bring up about someone who isn't part of that community talking about something they are not. Which then begs the question, how do they as a white cis person write a book that doesn't just pander to white cis people? Because diversity is a hot button issue now. If you're white and straight that's what you know. One side you're criticizing them for being white and straight but then you say you they should have more diversity. I'm confused what you want the author to do. Thoughts.
That's what the entire argument boils down to! Writing inclusively is difficult when you haven't had first hand experience (but not impossible). I think it's the effort an author shows to be inclusive, but also they (regardless of gender or race) don't really 'owe' the reader anything except a good story. As much as I'd like to say 'inclusive books are mandatory' it's not realistic to assume everyone wants to do the deep dive research into making their books diverse - and that's ok, even if it might mean some of your reader base won't buy your books.
I think it really matters for what reason the characters are written. I think it is really important to include marginalised groups into literature, however, if e.g. you're centering the whole story around a marginalized group's experience as someone who is not a part of the group that's a real issue. You're then profiting off of a story that's not yours to tell, and also portraying it as someone who has never had experience with it. Also, the author should really be basing their characters from groups they don't belong in on research unless they want (e.g.) a character who was mentioned to be black one time but there's virtually nothing else that links them to what being black entails, which I sometimes feel is the case
i really recommended withcindy video called 'should white authors write non-white characters'!
This is….. so pretentious I could gag.
Im very confused because "inclusivity" and also "thats not your story to tell" is super confusing. Also, did people give this person the books to sign? Cause Ive never heard of someone just walking in and signing random books, maybe people wanted her autograph and they had nothing else to let her sign? Anyways, this seemed very...confused, and given the other comments, its not me, its you. Sorry
I read "Ready Player One" last year, on account of the fact I wanted to watch the movie, plus my cousin said that he really enjoyed it and he let me borrow his copy. (So money spent on my part.) I personally liked the references to the many games, movies, books and shows we got throughout this book, but I like any book that does that. Don't really know why, and at the time of reading it, I didn't know there was a sequel coming out. I have seen the sequel in shops, and I just don't have the desire to pick it up to read personally. "Ready Player One" is the only Ernest Cline book that I've read, and that's where I'm leaving it. I did originally rate it 4 stars, but I have since lowered it to 3.
I however do agree and understand why you'd chose to stop supporting these authors and in all honesty, I probably would too and probably am.
I own two Sarah J. Mass books. "Throne of Glass", which was a gift and I've never read and "Catwoman: Soulstealer", which I have read and I did (unfortunately) enjoy. I've heard so many mixed views of the Throne of Glass series, particularly the one you mention here, so I've always hesitated on the starting series, and I again had no desire to read of her other series. I'm probably going to end donating my copy of "Throne of Glass" if I don't pick it up soon, but I will be keeping "Catwoman", because I enjoyed it, and my younger siblings wanna read it. (They like DC.) I have no idea why I'm justifying that so I'm gonna stop typing now.
I think a primary issue is Emic v. Etic perspective. Emic stories will always be more authentic, because they are told from personal experience, but etic stories, those told by outsiders, can also help bring issues of marginalized groups to a larger audience.
As a member of the LGBTQ community I am perfectly fine with non queer people writing queer stories if they take the time and effort to learn about, respect, and listen to criticism from that community in an effort to make it as authentic as possible.
Regardless of if this work is done a queer novel writing by a non queer author will always lack the level of genuine authenticity that a queer novel by a queer author will display.
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FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE HATES NESTA
I recently read “Ready Player One” and felt the same way! I want action and character development not 1980’s facts and nerds with superiority complexes
Yes! I always complained that the Lies of Lockelamora (that i love, unfortunately) didn't have well written women! I didn't know that he was shitty tho!!! fuck
I could not make it through the first book of court of whatever.
Wow a lot of the authors whose books are on my TBR, well that cleans up some room there. Plenty of other books in the sea. It's kinda how I felt about hearing that Lemony Snicket aka Dan Handler apparently made some racist comments and also engaged in some inappropriate sexual comments. And it frustrated me because I loved A Series Of Unfortunate Events.
As many more recent comments have said, you seem to be confused, contradictory and more than a little hypocritical in your comments and assessments of these authors. Unfortunately it appears you have jumped onto the bandwagon that certain sectors of society are under or misrepresented and judge that artists or their art are solely deserving of credit due to that fact. You’re buying into the culture war that is perpetuated to enable the more important issues to slip by unnoticed. It’s a book. A work of fiction. It isn’t that important or deep. I hope you’ve grown and learnt to think critically since this video.
The way I see it. I'm a reader and I'm here for books not the authors. If I see a book and it sounds interesting I'm buying it whether the author is problematic or not!
nooo the Lies of Locke Lamora is one of my favorite books and I am right in the middle of the series😭that is so fucking gross
35 year old dates 25 year old, the sky is falling
The trend of the new generation deciding to be the judge for everyone and everything around them (cancel culture) is very harmful.
These are the same people who would’ve been in favor of the witch trials
SCOTT LYNCH DID WHAT?
So, half of the criticisms on here are that you think these authors are "catty". You complain that they're not inclusive enough and ablest but then get mad when they tell stories that aren't theres to tell? You don't like that they're gossipy or unsupportive of other authors but you're calling them out based on rumor and speculation. "I've heard it said..." is gossip. This video was HARD to watch in which a human who has been convinced that her skin color is a sin calls out other people (who didn't choose their skin color) for being too (insert skin color stereotypes) for being problematic? I don't understand why it's so uncomfortable for some women that other women enjoy smutty fantasy with men who don't let women lead them around by the dick. When did being a strong male character pleasuring a strong female character become a trope? Why is it weird or problematic that some women enjoy this not only in their fiction but in their lives? Sorry, I have to admit I didn't finish the whole video because as someone already mentioned this is PEAK angry cancel culture. What if you just read books that you like? Books that excite you? Books that you can see yourself, your desires, your stories reflected in? I'm excited to continue reading books I LIKE.
Cassian And Rhys come off as abusive and manipulative imo worse than nesta
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Haven’t finished the video please if not already listed add Stephen king and Michael graham.
Very, very sad to hear about McKenzi Lee. That's one preorder I'm cancelling.
Thank you so soo much for making these educational and informative, and also so interesting at the same time, content.
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Soon finished with House of earth anf blood and I agree. I have only read Tower of Down. Which I like but her writing is too much character for me. It's like reading someones Diary and not a Fairytale.
I've only seen the movie of "Ready Player One" so maybe the book is better, but it was held up as this celebration of nerd culture but he learns all these facts to win a prize, not because he actually enjoys it. That was so wierd to me.
Also so gatekeep-y, so creepy blah blah blah I hated it.
Not invested in or aware of the others, but interesting vid nonetheless.
" I don't want to shit on someones hard work." Proceeds to shit on peoples hard work. SMFH.
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When I was in High School (35+ years ago), I loved reading the old white racist men's books BUT as a member of the LGBT+ who is also very curious about cultures that are not mine, I would have loved reading not only LGBT+ books but books from other countries/cultures and Americas who were/are POC. From a historical standpoint as well as a growth standpoint there could and should be a middle ground on how this is now taught in schools
Oh no Mackenzie Lee not you too. To be honest I was not so involved in The lady's guide and her book for Loki was so bas that I actually forgot that she exsist but still I really liked The gentleman's guide. Also I have been thinking about authors writing book about characters with which they dont share the same look and/or sexual identity and I think we like readers should not stop them to fantasize. A mean what is the end game to also stop every gay author to write heterosexual character because they don't understand how they think same goes for authors of different race. But as a person that has read a lot of sh*t mm book written by female and some realy good mm book written by man I think that there should be more public knowledge for them and not me finding them on some long list on goodreads or randomly because the title was fun.
I don't know mayby other people don't read so much and that's why this mm book written by female are popular or mayby people reading them don't think critically I don't know. But still don't want to stop all females to stop writing this kinds of books because sometimes there are gems and their author obviously has made their homework. In the case of Mackenzie Lee I think that she should have apologize and learn from her mistake and dont argue when she obviously don't understand the problem.
Crazy eyes Tannis sounding, the kind of tired that sleep won’t fix hoah.
This is insufferable.
Your whole attitude is just Money. Fear of losing money is the reason a publisher drops any author.
How you groom a 25 year okd and was he put in jail if not and no charges why not read him
I'm assuming JK Rowling was just so obvious, you didn't need to mention her in this video?
you got it!
I agree with most of this, but uhhhh getting rid of old classics just bc they're written by racist white guys is....uhmmm...the same as book burning. Maybe the counter to that argument needs more nuance
Its not since you can read it out of school its not being yeeted out of society so its not book burning
@@hbsupreme1499I know now...old comment
So grateful to know all the books I need to buy. Can’t STAND this performative woke shit.
If you continue holding books accountable for the behaviors or thoughts of their authors, you’re eventually going to run out of books to read.
Yes, a book like any art should stand on it's own. It's why visual artists don't usually comment on their own work or say much about themselves other than their commissions. Yours is also a good argument against too detailed of author platforms.
It’s not really a book, it’s a webcomic. I can’t support the creator of the webtoons comic Boyfriends for a few reasons:
- the creator about a year or more ago from now drew fanart of real people who do not consent, BTS. I am a kpop fan myself, but found 18+ content on the boys weird. The company of the group came out by saying they are starting to sue artists and writers on 18+ work because the boys do not consent. The author of Boyfriends may have apologized but it didn’t seem sincere.
- the author of Boyfriends on Twitter to this day is liking and supporting 18+ artwork of BTS. People had found on Twitter in the likes section of the authors official Twitter was an 18+ work of BTS. The author had liked the artwork a week after their apology, which was very weird.
- since the author of Boyfriends had drew such artwork and is still supporting, I can’t read their webtoons comic without the image of the nasty artwork popping into my head.
I understand I am a kpop fan and I know such fans are considered “crazy”, but since the company itself had said that these boys do not consent to such artwork- I will respect that and take it seriously. If I was a famous person, and found people are drawing sexual artwork of myself without my consent- I would be weirded out and want it taken down.
that is very unfortunate!
I liked Boyfriends. A bit at first. Yes, it was full of cliches but like okay the characters are supposed to be walking cliches, look at their names
But then the story just got worse and worse and so did the author and I just couldn't read it anymore
If you don't know anything about a subject, do your research, or just don't write about it.
What about JK Rowling?
I'm not giving her my money
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Naomi Novik could be here just for her books teasing you by sounding like it could be great, yet you give in, and once again get so royally bored, that you might suffer a brain embolism...and you would be happy, since it released you from having to read any further, and actually finish the book.
This is astounding. It's Peak Angry Cancel Culture.
How what hits have there carriers taken
So... burn books? Don't read everything available, educate and decide for yourself just do away with free speech and take what you're given?
Alexandra Rowland uses they/them pronouns.
Good to know, thanks!
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