Is Doctor Who Cancelled?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
  • So recently there's been a lot of discussion about the future of Doctor Who and whether Disney will cancel the co-production deal that has so far given us Series 14. There's a lot of panic and concern, but I thought today I'd take a deeper look at the situation and explore the what's fact and what's fearmongering.
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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Hey everyone! Slightly different style of video today, it was a bit of a last minute thing because of scheduling. But hopefully next video should be a huge one half a year in the making! As always, catch it here first: www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want Doctor Who to be cancelled - Jodie killed it, Tennant 2 and Gatwa mutilated it

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattthesilent777RED Why do you always write like Jodie, Tennant & Ncuti came to ur house and burnt it? It's so over the top. Get a grip on urself.
      Also if you really think the new era is shit don't interact with it anymore. I don't wanna see u bitching when the Christmas special or S15 comes out.

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Comicbroe405 RTD stole my ideas of putting Nichola Coughlan and a story featuring Mount Everest in Doctor Who - Christmas special this year

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattthesilent777RED Ofc he did 💀 I still don't care. If you dislike the new era so much don't talk about it.

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Comicbroe405 You can't tell me what to do, why don't you just ignore me

  • @Comicbroe405
    @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    Considering the recent report for how much the show has done for the UK economy I doubt the BBC would want to cancel it soon.

    • @calumgardner6936
      @calumgardner6936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      My dad said whilst I was watching an episode of Unleashed that it must do wonders for the people of Cardiff, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it does

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@calumgardner6936 Yup.

    • @katokianimation
      @katokianimation 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      People still don't understand that Disney didn't buy Doctor who. if Disney wont find streaming Doctor Who beneficial financiancially they wont renew their contract. So what? Maybe the show will be streamed by another company outside of the UK. I hope so. Who needs Disney producers who are giving notes on how much better Doctor Who would be if it weremore like a Disney+ show

    • @juliandarch9278
      @juliandarch9278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@katokianimationthey did pay a shed load into the budget though, without their dollars the show will be binned for a while. I think the fact they cancelled Acolyte means it's doom for the Doc as well as it got even worse ratings.

    • @wispa1a
      @wispa1a 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@calumgardner6936
      Yes and No.
      They spend a lot on production but that's it.
      I guess fans visit spots alot. I live by most.
      Bad wolf is doing well out of it.

  • @coreygraves40
    @coreygraves40 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    This all just seems like a way to generate more news for the show. Doctor Who isn't owned by Disney and therefor they have no say if the show gets cancelled or not. Worst case is they pull funding and they remove it from their platform, which would be very unlikely to kill the show. It's one of, if not BBC's most recognizable and well known shows. They wouldn't just cancel it because Disney backs out.

  • @davidayers362
    @davidayers362 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Good grief, finally someone has the sense to contextualise the ratings with regard to overall TV viewership. I brought this up a while back in the comments to one of Dave Cullen's videos on the subject and got slightly flamed. The point is that a show that's beating Eastenders in the charts is not failing. In that comment I suggested looking at the decline of broadcast TV viewing numbers as a more interesting subject than picking out DW and comparing it to numbers from a decade ago. Not that anyone picked that up of course.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, the same thing happened to me with a guy named "Will Of The Fans". That guy is a smug.

    • @thomaspaterson1354
      @thomaspaterson1354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hr h reviews tried saying that doctor who shouldn't be as low as it is as its not just any tv show it's doctor who and as it been on for so long it should have more viewers, and keeps saying it's been cancelled for higher figures without pointing out that at tye same time it got these figures in the past it was in the mid 90's for shows of the week where as now it's in the top 10's for the week

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Couldn't it bethat all broadcast TV is failing, and that maybe there is an institutional problem that needs addressing?

    • @J33B_M4CHETE
      @J33B_M4CHETE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomaspaterson1354Mr H is just a hater, his content is so negative, it was affecting my mental health. Had to unsubscribe.

    • @giociampa
      @giociampa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattevans4377 Exactly!
      "Broadcast TV’s weekly audience reach sees steepest annual decline since records began, while older audiences’ daily viewing drops at fastest rate ever."
      "Number of TV programmes pulling in 4m+ viewers halves since 2014, but public service broadcasters still dominate most-watched list with valued national TV moments."
      Source - Ofcom Media Nations report (January 2024 admittedly, but the trend over the whole terrestrial broadcast landscape can be seen in previous years also)

  • @Alovon
    @Alovon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    Just another note on Bad Wolf, it not only has Disney money going into it, but Sony Pictures actually owns a good stake of the studio, so it's not like if they loose Disney they'd have to go back to a Shoestring budget, and the majority of Disney money is probably more on Distribution and Marketing rather than the actual show itself (which mind you, does allocate more budget for the show by proxy, but still)

    • @deltaproductions313
      @deltaproductions313 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Would it matter if had a shoestring budget I mean the capaldi era had a lesser budget and it still looked amazing and was great the Whitaker era may have had less great writing but it looked great visually 😊

  • @FTZPLTC
    @FTZPLTC 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I'm not surprised about this, there are some people who are just champing at the bit for any metric that they can used to call something - especially something they object to for whatever reason - a bomb. And using broadcast TV ratings in the age of streaming seems to be a particular favourite for them recently. I saw similar claims that Star Trek Discovery was going to be canceled because of poor ratings... 7 years ago.

    • @Creadeyh
      @Creadeyh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      4.06m for 73 yards does include streaming. Since it's BBC numbers, they don't include Disney+ but from what we hear DW is barely making a dent there, so we can assume it's pretty close of the actual value. Sure it might not get cancelled, but doesn't mean it's good numbers.
      Harbo is also taking any metric to make it look good: audience share is barely 1% higher, not significant, and chart position is relative to whatever is airing at the same time, it's not a good metric by itself, a bad show doing better than other bad shows doesn't make it a good show

    • @ajjohnson8235
      @ajjohnson8235 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm pretty sure considering how many more viers Disney plus has world wide then the BBC a show could get millions of views and still not make a huge dent, but that's still a lot of people watching. And besides it's a cheap show to make, so it gets a good viewership for the money spent.

    • @Creadeyh
      @Creadeyh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ajjohnson8235 I didn't mean a dent in Disney+ overall, I mean a dent in DW ratings. Believe the rumors or not, but if Disney+ ratings were anything comparable to BBC ratings, we would have heard them gloat about it by now

    • @FTZPLTC
      @FTZPLTC 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Creadeyh "a bad show doing better than other bad shows doesn't make it a good show"
      Oh. So now all the shows it beat out will be canceled too? That sucks for them.

  • @ImSchrodingerCat
    @ImSchrodingerCat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Imagine if disney and doctor who seperated and then russel started writing really good again

  • @SpaceFluffDW
    @SpaceFluffDW 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Does the Dalek behind you have a name? If not, can you call him Darwin?
    Please 🥺

    • @Tardis2012
      @Tardis2012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As in the orange fish, yeah I would call one that.

    • @HMMadsen
      @HMMadsen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Replying so that the comment gets further to the top and giving it a better chance for Harbo to see it

  • @TheInternetHelpdeskPlays
    @TheInternetHelpdeskPlays 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    There is a problem with everything, 3 sides to every story.
    Cancel, not being cancelled, and the truth.
    RTD will always say his project is the best, and that includes not costing as much, whilst old fans will always say its wasted its budget.
    The truth is probably somewhere in between.
    And this applies to everything being said.
    And we will never know the truth until it happens.

    • @mackthemouse8443
      @mackthemouse8443 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds like our American politics too. Trump’s truth, my side’s ( left’s) truth, and the actual truth.

    • @Keijikrall
      @Keijikrall 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Babylon 5 reference nice

  • @Condor-gb1xp
    @Condor-gb1xp 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I saw the comments from the teaser to The Return of Doctor Mysterio and damn. Same thing different time.

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Condor-gb1xp Oh yeah ppl forget about the hate DW used to get then especially Moffat.

  • @FransHoorn
    @FransHoorn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It's not your job to pull the ratings in, but it could be 👀 #harboforshowrunner

    • @HarboWholmes
      @HarboWholmes  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Oh I'd probably end up burning the whole thing down if I was in charge lmao

    • @FransHoorn
      @FransHoorn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@HarboWholmes least controversial showrunner

    • @kstomak4071
      @kstomak4071 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Omg yesss! Harbo what are your story plans going to be once you're in charge? 👀

  • @roguexxrenegade
    @roguexxrenegade 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It wasn’t a terabyte of information - it was a tebibyte, which is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than a terabyte!

  • @skinner219
    @skinner219 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Disney: Doctor Who is a low budget show, it’s unworthy to produce.
    Meanwhile Classic Who had a low budget and a not so good production but it produced the most well-written stories of all time.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I mean what’s not to like when the big reveal of the new series was “Why do you care so much about Ruby’s mother?” 🤣 Who could possibly not want more of that? 😄

    • @kieronparr3403
      @kieronparr3403 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Don't remind me

  • @erubin100
    @erubin100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    IDK...this still feels very much like cope to me. Ratings aside, writers have just gotten lazier and lazier these days, and I don't see that improving any time soon.

    • @megarotom1590
      @megarotom1590 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I mean his point was mostly ratings don’t tell the full picture and yah S14 was a mess but was better than what came before so… it’s a step up.
      And certainly better than most the crap coming out

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@erubin100 You can't say writers for S14 cuz it was literally just RTD. I believe fresh blood can help this show so much.

    • @erubin100
      @erubin100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Comicbroe405 I can ESPECIALLY say "writers for season 14," as that includes RTD. It only makes sense that someone with a big ego who's been writing for years would become lazier over time. It's inevitable. And even with "fresh blood," I feel there's still an overreliance on older tropes plus AI.

  • @DoublePack337
    @DoublePack337 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    WE GETTING SCARED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS WITH THIS ONE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @MrFancyDragon
    @MrFancyDragon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I do like that we have good numbers that have come out for the show. I honestly think it’s awesome it has garnered popularity again, but I can’t shake off the fact that it was because of big names and great marketing lining up the behind the scenes stuff for Series 14.
    Hopefully Series 15 can retain the audience because the bad writing from 14 really hurt its chances for a solid/long term relationship with an American audience.

  • @CineScarborough
    @CineScarborough 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even if Disney consider dropping the Doctor Who streaming rights, you only have to look at the backlash when they nearly stopped the Spider-Man deal to show how angering a fan base is never a good idea. It would probably be renewed fairly quickly after the backlash.

  • @Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.
    @Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They've just announced a spinoff, much to my surprise, so would be odd if they were going to do that and cancel the main show.
    As for the ratings, no-one can pretend they are "good". They might be good for the BBC, which has lost considerable viewership and license fee payers which it is currently panicking over.

  • @gtc9966
    @gtc9966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was genuinely interesting. Newer episodes getting a bigger share of viewers than some of the all time classic episodes is…interesting.

  • @Picathartes92
    @Picathartes92 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for doing an informed take on the internet that doesn't drip with disingenuousness. Context is everything and statistics can be bent to say anything. Finally somebody does a good faith explanation of the situation

  • @quads2483
    @quads2483 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Doctor who fans obsession with viewing numbers is genuinely psychotic

    • @nigelwalker6103
      @nigelwalker6103 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not really. There is a reason that tv ratings are still collected, and when millions are being spent the execs do take them into account.
      The series used to pull in 9 million, and even just a few years ago, it regulally managed around 6 million.
      I know viewing habits have changed, but its not only just that they only git just over 2 million overnight. It's more that it didn't even get to 6 million over 28 days.
      Logically, not as many people are watching.

  • @NathanChick-n8q
    @NathanChick-n8q 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something to consider is that many people choose not to pay tv license instead waiting for DVDs I've got friends who do this and I've chatted to fellow fans and they also refuse to pay license instead waiting to get the DVDs. This should be considered as there will be a portion of DVD only viewers going under the radar

    • @WizardofoOZeAU
      @WizardofoOZeAU 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is hard core - I pay my licence to ensure balanced BBC news output

  • @christianefiorito3204
    @christianefiorito3204 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lets hipe or at least change the writer and his vrying protagonist. To see the doctor balling his eyes out in every episode is just very very dumb

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The problem is the audience. They always are so annoying.

    • @SandyDunlop-qk1xo
      @SandyDunlop-qk1xo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's nothing wrong with characters expressing emotion

  • @mrdoctorgilmore
    @mrdoctorgilmore 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Going by logistics, I'm going to say it's successful enough to at minimum get a third season, though not necessarily with Disney backing, depending on your preference this may be beneficial or harmful, I wouldn't be surprised if it's serialised like Flux to cut down on costs. Or at the very least a set of specials in 2026 to wrap up 15's story, I'm confident that the S2/15 finale won't be Ncuti's last episode.

  • @JuiceMyRandomness
    @JuiceMyRandomness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It makes me sad seeing how many fans want it cancelled. Why would you celebrate it being cancelled? Allow others to enjoy whilst you find something else to watch.

    • @bahadirozer
      @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      because it's bad now and doesn't seem like it will get any better

    • @JuiceMyRandomness
      @JuiceMyRandomness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bahadirozer but why call for cancellation if others enjoy it? Doctor who is about change and fresh perspectives it has been from the start. It just seems silly and negative.

    • @bahadirozer
      @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JuiceMyRandomness it's not fresh tho. They turned the doctor into an incompotent loser, they changed the fundamentals of the character. I wouldn't be sad if they canceled, maybe wait for someone capable who can run the show properly

    • @SuperZebadee
      @SuperZebadee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because a lot of people are insecure re their likes and dislikes, and if they dislike it and it gets cancelled it 'proves' to these sad gits that they are 'right'.

    • @SuperZebadee
      @SuperZebadee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Having said that, though i stll enjoy the show, it certainly needs to improve. The worst thing is that the Doctor has been so Humanised, losing his uniqueness and making him like every other tv hero

  • @DigiRangerScott
    @DigiRangerScott 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    2:28-2:37 HOLY SHIT THAT’S ME! I’m the author of the cited works! 😁

  • @nmeddson
    @nmeddson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you're looking at audience share, shouldn't you include streaming numbers? Whilst it may be getting the same percentage of numbers on TV that doesn't mean it has the same percentage of the population watching it? I could be wrong so no shade.
    I think what people are getting at is it seems the cultural impact has significantly diminished - very few people I know irl watch the show.

  • @JustNonsens
    @JustNonsens 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Actually it’s not that no one wanted to write after Moffat it’s just(from what I’ve heard) only Chibnall was approached. Toby Whithouse once said he would’ve loved to write series 11 but was just never asked

  • @mayotango1317
    @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Please, someone send this video to "Will of The Fans", who has been saying for a while now that the show is going to be cancelled due to low ratings, even compare them to the Seventh Doctor era late serials.

    • @arubinojr5670
      @arubinojr5670 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nobody needs to interact under any circumstance with anyone calling themselves "Will of the Fans."

  • @peterd788
    @peterd788 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "And no the show is not going to be cancelled". Trust me, if Disney isn't getting enough viewers on its platform it will be cancelled. Closed loop shows have no hope if they don't get enough viewers because you can't exploit them outside the loop. Paramount Plus desperately tried this by breaking the loop with Star Trek: Discovery by selling second window rights. It was a disaster costing many millions. Disney+ has only ever renewed a non-comedic scripted show once for a third season. I suspect Disney cancelled the commission already. It's all down to whether BBC Studios can sell what Bad Wolf produces to other companies. Make no mistake, BBC One doesn't want to pay for it and at the moment it isn't because it's getting it for free.

    • @Idran
      @Idran 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mention Discovery but not Prodigy? Yeah, it's lower budget and an easier sell, but there's a huge gap between "no hope" and "not much hope".

    • @SandyDunlop-qk1xo
      @SandyDunlop-qk1xo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Disney can't cancel doctor who they only bought the streaming rights

    • @peterd788
      @peterd788 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SandyDunlop-qk1xo Disney Branded Entertainment is the primary commissioner of the show. BBC One is a minority partner; it basically gets the show for free. Disney can cancel the show because BBC One simply won't finance it.

    • @SandyDunlop-qk1xo
      @SandyDunlop-qk1xo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @peterd788 bbc one owns the rights, if Disney withdrew funding that could result in it being cancelled, however it's one of the bbcs most popular shows and there are other people funding it as well as Disney, they don't have that much of a say in it

  • @JuiceMyRandomness
    @JuiceMyRandomness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for breaking it down this way. It was starting to feel like the culture of doctor who was just becoming a toxic and negative place to avoid.

  • @aeloswindrunner
    @aeloswindrunner 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Andor was that high budget? Fair play, every dollar was on display. That show was spectacular

  • @AM-uo2kf
    @AM-uo2kf 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So after 20 years of Doctor Who being back on the screen there aren’t any worthwhile show runners to choose from who could write good quality sci-fi? Or that noone but the old guard want to do it?

    • @hued2542
      @hued2542 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The “old guard” are keeping it hostage to there vision if anything

    • @Jepze158
      @Jepze158 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No new person wants to do it. Peak of doctor who's popularity has been over for 10 years now and it's relevancy has dropped hard. Why in the fuck would they want to become show runner for dead show.

  • @Redboots
    @Redboots 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for addressing the viewing figures because whenever people uncritically talk about them and only focus on them going down it bugs the living hell out of me. it has done since at least 2017 with s10, when it was 'dr who is bad now [because of bill] and the viewers are showing that it's the case!' despite I'm pretty sure the rugby was on at the same time. or whatever new reason the show is 'bad' this week is (it's usually the bigoted types I've noticed that hyperfocus on the viewing figures... almost as if the refusal to move on with the times is showing on two fronts)

  • @fleason771
    @fleason771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think Doctor Who will continue. I'm just not certain how much of it in future we can get. I can see a world where a spin-off like a 5 part "The War Between The Land And The Sea" is inbetween a 4-5 Ep DW run (including a xmas ep)
    Clear to see why. The spin-off production would not require as much budget & CGI because it would be mainly Earth-bound & leave the DW episodes some TARDIS (other world) story led money to play with.
    The BBC can then say more content of the Whoniverse despite lower episodes for Doctor Who on its own

  • @KeiranCounsellKC1994
    @KeiranCounsellKC1994 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You realise RTDs comments that it is not doing well actually supports what we are finding out, also the fact disney have held back on funding series 3 even though series 2 is very nearly finished

    • @wispa1a
      @wispa1a 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They subsidise not fund the whole season.
      Just means s3 might not be so fx rich.

    • @KeiranCounsellKC1994
      @KeiranCounsellKC1994 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wispa1a disney are giving a hell of alot of the cash for doctor who, for this huge cash injection they have been offered exclusive streaming rights outside the uk.
      Disney put huge amounts into it because they are desperate to attract people to their streaming service because they are not doing well financially.
      The BBC has not been able to fund doctor who on its own since 2005 without either another BBC arm or outside broadcaster throwing cash towards it.
      If disney drop out its highly likely that the BBC will consider cancelling the show simply because they do not want to be involved much in it and dont want to give much cash to it (they are in financial difficulties having to cull loads of programs and get rid of loads of staff). The whole reason badwolf were brought in was so the BBC didnt have to get its hands dirty with the show like in 1987 where they just werent interested in it and the only reason RTD and disney were brought in was to bring high level of fans back to the show and to get the increased budget needed to make the show better.
      The last ditch attempt has failed and is just costing cash.

  • @darren.mcauliffe
    @darren.mcauliffe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ratings don't mean anything anyway. It means people wanted to watch it, it doesn't mean the episode was good. People didn't watch Silence in the Library because it's one the best episodes. Obviously no one knew that before it aired.
    It's like how a movie's box office doesn't mean anything. If 8 million people went to see the movie on the opening weekend, that just means that they marketed it well. It doesn't mean the movie's good. Maybe 8 million people went to see it and hated it.

    • @bahadirozer
      @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      episodes here and there can have low views, but a consisten decline of views over time means something.

    • @darren.mcauliffe
      @darren.mcauliffe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bahadirozerYeah true, but pointing out “This episode did well. This one didn’t.” doesn’t mean anything.
      The average of a series means something sure; but an individual episode’s ratings is irrelevant.

    • @bahadirozer
      @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darren.mcauliffe yes

    • @wispa1a
      @wispa1a 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not when no-one watches live TV in our days.
      Majority have already seen it on iPlayer by 6-7pm

  • @HaxeRoxas13
    @HaxeRoxas13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe I’m not understanding the “audience share” correctly, but isn’t it a bit of a moot point to compare to latest season with 10s run as the access to Doctor Who is now wider with D+ taking worldwide distribution outside the UK??

  • @etherraichu
    @etherraichu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wait, they couldn't find someone who wanted to be show runner? Hell, I would've done it!

    • @JustNonsens
      @JustNonsens 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Moffat was planning on leaving after The Husbands of River Song but instead decided to continue and make series 10. I remember hearing somewhere that he had planned to hand the show over to Chibnall before he made the decision to stay. From what I know it was always going to be Chibnall

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    If a show is not canceled but no one actually watches it, is it really not canceled?

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      4 millons on TV ratings.

  • @alastairwood1745
    @alastairwood1745 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A sequel to The Devils Chord with MJF playing the villain has to happen in Series 15

  • @kerryday
    @kerryday 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I literally subscribed to Disney plus because of Doctor Who😊

  • @calumgardner6936
    @calumgardner6936 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What else can I say other than thank you so much for making this mate! Literally every single word you said in it is exactly what I keep trying to tell these so-called “fans”, but all they do is just either simply ignore me or try to shut me down like they’re absolutely right and I’m wrong. So the fact you’ve used your platform to convey it as well is exactly the light-in-the-darkness moment I needed to both see and hear 🙌🏻👍🏻

  • @superkid801
    @superkid801 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video. Thanks for sharing this information.

  • @tomporter8849
    @tomporter8849 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where can we find the full set of data for Audience share and rankings?

  • @THOMAS_VANN
    @THOMAS_VANN 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why do people continue to to think disney has any control over doctor who besides having the streaming rights

  • @anthonygreen7063
    @anthonygreen7063 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The elephant in the room, of course, is that Series 14 was complete sh.t.

    • @anthonygreen7063
      @anthonygreen7063 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      '...as long as the writing is good.' Mm.

  • @kuraihikari5785
    @kuraihikari5785 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for covering this topic properly. Most of what I’ve seen going around are just rage bait videos.

  • @AMKRILLIN
    @AMKRILLIN 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its probably more to do with Disney trying to buy the property as a whole...

  • @thegoose8197
    @thegoose8197 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That wrestling fan joke popped me icl

  • @nymphrodellsalavin
    @nymphrodellsalavin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doctor Who isn't being canceled. It never is, well... except that one time but also that doesn't count since that was temporary

  • @Creadeyh
    @Creadeyh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Chart position just shows Doctor Who is one of the least crappy show out of the crappy shows we get these days, doesn't mean it's good. Audience share is very similar, so ratings is the only objective metric we can go by. The fact we have easier access to shows than ever and it's still not getting decent ratings means a lot.
    73 Yards isn't a strong episode, it tries to set up a mystery but does the most obvious thing with the politician and can't wrap it up in a satisfying way. It's miles away from any of the other episodes you mentioned

    • @cmbeadle2228
      @cmbeadle2228 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why do you think ratings are a mark of quality? The biggest ratings on TV normally are for disposable low effort stuff - soaps, crime procedurals, gag based sitcoms like Big Bang Theory.

  • @truthhertz10
    @truthhertz10 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Made my Friday, thank you!

  • @R.senals_Arsenal
    @R.senals_Arsenal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Doomsayers gonna say Doom. It's what they do.
    People who fearmonger about ratings should always remember The Flash, which didn't look too terribly shabby, ran for 9 seasons and even the most watched season's highest average viewership was 4.62 Million. Season 8 had 1.04 Million average viewers and yet they still renewed for 9. There is more to renewal than just viewership.

  • @_smerte42
    @_smerte42 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad to see the show that made up my childhood is still going strong

  • @markmakharashvili6878
    @markmakharashvili6878 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stop worrying us like this ffs 😭

  • @SageWon-1aussie
    @SageWon-1aussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, the Tardis is in the Volume, a Disney asset. Sure, it can get cosy again but that's one thing you would lose with Disney.
    Half the number of people watching a show us still half the number of people discussing and (possibly) enjoying it. The share of audience really only matters to shareholders and, as you say, it's a cheap product as far as they are concerned.
    The big problem is Doctor Who is just dumb now. There doesn’t seem to be any cleverness in the writing. Chibnall really lowered the standard and great performances can only carry you so far. We need sci-fi, something to make the audience ponder, as well as wonder.

  • @matrixlord212
    @matrixlord212 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Disney Plus is paying for the spin offs and season 3 and 4. Announcing tomorrow.

  • @crowheadcane1723
    @crowheadcane1723 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as someone who hasn’t seen any of this fearmongering and couldn’t find a single thing when doing some cursory google searching… i think you might just be in a bubble within the fandom. nothing wrong with that but it makes this video feel veeeery clickbait-y to everyone outside that bubble

    • @Idran
      @Idran 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think that's less evidence that Harbo's in a bubble and more evidence that Google absolutely sucks these days for actually returning good search results. I just tried searching for nothing but "doctor who canceled" on DDG and the Deadline article he mentioned was the second result. And "doctor who disney canceled" got me a ton of other entertainment news sites spreading the Deadline article too.

  • @chemicalhap
    @chemicalhap 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They are doing an additional spinoff from the content. That screams confidence which only comes from performance. Yawn. Clickbait titles i know...still...

  • @dylanmaxey2531
    @dylanmaxey2531 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I honestly would prefer DIsney go away from Dr Who, I'd rather see less money and time spent on special effects and CGI if it means we would get 2-4 more shows per season. Sure the visuals are great but not when it takes so much time and expense with little addition to forwarding plot the 2 best shows of the season were SFX light.

  • @GwynWilliams-rg8vb
    @GwynWilliams-rg8vb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The Chibnall era looked better than this one on less money

    • @arubinojr5670
      @arubinojr5670 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sure you're being snarky but one thing I couldn't help but notice was how open and well-lit and location-y everything was.

  • @jackbasley
    @jackbasley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The voice of reason hath spoken!

  • @giociampa
    @giociampa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One word... Betteridge

  • @janealber1436
    @janealber1436 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😢 I did not like corona fireplace down

  • @sushi_man3512
    @sushi_man3512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I obviously want to see DW succeed and be good again - but if the show got canceled again we could have another wilderness years where fans get to make great projects - like Russel and Moffat in the 90s

  • @ysthafellgynghori8423
    @ysthafellgynghori8423 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Doctor Who is in better shape now than its been for years. Thanks to RTD.

  • @Legendary3Dgamer
    @Legendary3Dgamer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No 🥺

  • @iamliberator1101
    @iamliberator1101 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    have you dyed your hair ??

  • @jimmyjambhere
    @jimmyjambhere 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Disney can ruin anything 😂😂

  • @ClassActJack
    @ClassActJack 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Part of me thinks that the reason so many people are speculating about DW ending is because it kind of feels like it needs to end soon. I know this new era has its fan, but the show has definitely lost something that only a decade or two off the air can really regain. We need a new wilderness years - fans of the show bringing fresh blood and a jolt of creativity to the expanded media, free from the concerns of TV ratings. Doctor Who made purely for the love of making it.

  • @bahadirozer
    @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    sorry but rating decline is not nothing.

  • @crabbitwife5463
    @crabbitwife5463 หลายเดือนก่อน

    easy answer: No

  • @LouiSwagula
    @LouiSwagula 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I mean I guess this non topic is content for everyone, so make that money?? I guess??

  • @kieronparr3403
    @kieronparr3403 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've never heard of Andor.

  • @timrob12
    @timrob12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In short: Doctor Who isn't dead, wasn't dying before and isn't going to die anytime soon.

  • @jd4925
    @jd4925 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are such an optimist😂😂😂!

  • @kiyru44
    @kiyru44 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Besides rouge I did not like the new era I can’t believe I’m saying it but I miss chibnall

    • @SageWon-1aussie
      @SageWon-1aussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you hit your head?

    • @Hessy-ob5ws
      @Hessy-ob5ws 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Though no way a fan of the Chibnall era l have to say the writing for season 14/season 1 was overall inferior. I enjoyed "Flux" far more than this - even the end of that series was better (by far it's weakest element) compared to the garbage-fest presented at the end of season 1/14.

  • @just_kos99
    @just_kos99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TBH, I think TPTB should let the Star Trek and Doctor Who franchises RIP. We have enough of both to last any fan a lifetime of delight.

  • @bobdobalina2931
    @bobdobalina2931 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are still trying to polish this turd, but it was awful. I genuinely thought that RTD's return would mark the beginning of a new and exciting era and put the Jodie era firmly to bed, but I was wrong.
    Much of it was infantile, the villains were rubbish (the original Sutekh was far more scary than this CGI version) and Davies was just throwing in woke characters for the sake of it, for no other reason that he wanted to foist his own agenda upon us.
    Let's put it this way, what would you rather watch, a repeat of Blink, Heaven Sent or The Zygone Invasion/Inversion or a repeat of Series 14?
    Davies either needs to get off his high horse and write some decent stories or hand the reins over to someone who can.
    I've been with show since I was 6 in 1970 and although there were awful special effects the plotlines more than made up for it.

  • @magnus33john
    @magnus33john 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yeahhh so this didn't age well as it was announced this is the last season. Still it's not the first time the doctors come back from death so he likely to do so again.

    • @magnus33john
      @magnus33john 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its cost Disney a 100 million for two season and the viewership was underwhelming sadly and though cheaper then other shows it still a lot of money. Is this the end...not likely as it;s survived worse and it's a huge brand that will survive no matter the ratings and the name alone guarantees money from merchandise and other outlets. Also Disney seems to want to make bad star wars shows now like the latest one which is painful.

    • @Emet1996
      @Emet1996 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Got a source for that? Or is it just bs

    • @_smerte42
      @_smerte42 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      [citation needed]

    • @magnus33john
      @magnus33john 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@_MyNameIsAJ_ Ohh for the love of god. Ok spelling this out since everyone seems to keep confusing the two. Disney canceling its contract with the BBC does not mean the end of the show. It means its not going to be on Disney plus.
      For some reason people keep posting this nonsense that the end of the contract means the end of the show.
      Now why they make this leap is mind boggling since the BBC owns doctor who not Disney.
      Yes Disney is going to cancel the contract short of some last minute hail marry and no its not going to be the end of doctor who.

    • @magnus33john
      @magnus33john 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@_MyNameIsAJ_ Seriously Disney+ announced four days ago what it was renewing for 2025 and care to guess what's not on the list.
      This was not a surprise the rating are abysmal and Ncuti in high demand leaving his aviability highly unlikely given he already in contract to do a movie.
      No renewal means the actors are not in contract.
      There wont be a big announcement yet to try and avoid affecting the second season investment.
      There is always a possibility Ncuti aviability could change and the second season could be get amazing ratings but how likely is that?
      In the end this does not mean the end of Doctor who as Disney does not own it. It's just them no deciding to continue the deal.

  • @Harry_SS
    @Harry_SS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The series was still a failure imo

  • @mattevans4377
    @mattevans4377 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Of course it won't be cancelled. It'll be far worse......

  • @TheBlueEM2
    @TheBlueEM2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Doctor Who went down the toilet long ago.

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's just subjective. You can definitely think that but ppl can equally not agree with that. I personally think it's come close many times but not yet.

    • @TheBlueEM2
      @TheBlueEM2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Comicbroe405 I know. That's how opinions work.

    • @Comicbroe405
      @Comicbroe405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheBlueEM2 There are many ppl out there in the fandom who think their opinions are fact so just saying. We're good.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Meh, Moffat era is the golden age.

    • @TheBlueEM2
      @TheBlueEM2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mayotango1317 I vastly prefer Moffat to Chibnall.

  • @KadeSmash
    @KadeSmash 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No, its not, in fact it did rather well. So stop spreading the bs 😊

    • @_smerte42
      @_smerte42 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      watch the whole video

    • @KadeSmash
      @KadeSmash 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@_smerte42 I watched enough if it was click bait then click bait gets what click bait deserved

    • @_smerte42
      @_smerte42 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@KadeSmash he said the ecact opposite to "the show is getting cancelled"

    • @KadeSmash
      @KadeSmash 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @_smerte42 the. Again maybe don't advertise it as such and make it your opening sequence if you aren't going to be clear. Click bait gets what click bait deserves and I will die on this hill

  • @Trev359
    @Trev359 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't care. I've stopped watching this crap anyway, like so many others have done.

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really, because fart aliens in UK politics is so Nolan.

  • @anasmohamed2904
    @anasmohamed2904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Guys i was first don’t lie

  • @EriksonMemories
    @EriksonMemories 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep Ncuti, change everything else.

  • @ethab57
    @ethab57 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's painful hearing Andor being described as a 'flop'. It's the best thing Disney has made in the last 5 years at least.

    • @HarboWholmes
      @HarboWholmes  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I never called it a flop?

  • @kerryday
    @kerryday 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😊

  • @bahadirozer
    @bahadirozer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    copium

  • @harryvideoz8863
    @harryvideoz8863 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the views have been terrible there is lower viewer ship its been confirmed on multiple occasions and the reason Disney stepped in was because Jodie almost got it cancelled. and the wring is terrible now

  • @realnoahsimpson
    @realnoahsimpson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    unsubscribed, this channel’s getting increasingly clickbaity

    • @mayotango1317
      @mayotango1317 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, that is Nerdrotic, Bowlestrek and Will of the Fans.

  • @thetimeshadow6769
    @thetimeshadow6769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Series 14 was the best series we've had since Series 5

    • @MatijaHD
      @MatijaHD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lmao no

    • @thetimeshadow6769
      @thetimeshadow6769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MatijaHD It absolutely was. Moffat’s Era was soooooooo downhill consistently. Sure it picked up a bit at the end with Series 10 but that was still inferior to Series 14. And don’t even get me started on the Chibnall Era.

  • @mattthesilent777RED
    @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    CANCEL DOCTOR WHO AND DECANONISE JODIE, TENNANT 2 AND GATWA!

    • @SageWon-1aussie
      @SageWon-1aussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      WHY DID YOUR MUM UNLOCK THE BASEMENT.

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SageWon-1aussie Ok everyone, this is what is known as an internet troll

    • @SageWon-1aussie
      @SageWon-1aussie 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mattthesilent777RED Don't sell yourself short, you're also a bigot.

    • @_smerte42
      @_smerte42 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mattthesilent777RED wow, you're talking about yourself

    • @mattthesilent777RED
      @mattthesilent777RED 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@_smerte42 Shut up and learn to read

  • @anasmohamed2904
    @anasmohamed2904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    first wallahi

  • @janealber1436
    @janealber1436 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😢 I did not like corona fireplace down