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Which Paradigm Dalek became the Stone Dalek?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ย. 2022
- The Stone Dalek is a striking Paradigm Dalek survivor who plays the role of primary antagonist to the Doctor, Amy, Auton Rory and River in the Series 5 finale 'The Big Bang'. But which of the Paradigm Daleks that were present at the Underhenge became this persistent mineral-rich marauder? We aim to find out...
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It was the eternal dalek, its voice matches up with the "Doctor who live" eternal voice when it says "time parameters calculated and locked a new future begins now"
As much as that’s a good point, unless that live show was canon to the actual show, there’s no real well of telling
@@AlongPreservedLines I usually wouldnt consider that kind of thing but considering it's basically all we have about the eternal, I consider it canon in the sense of what the eternal sounds like
@@AlongPreservedLines of course it's Cannon everything is Canon this is a show about time travel everything happens once and nothing happened at all
@@Glace-gone why wouldn't you literally every bit of Doctor Who media happened but also did not happened f****** time travel
@@AlongPreservedLines I remember there was a statement made on canon for Doctor Who ages ago. Basically extended universe stuff are canon as long as they don't contradict the show. If two parts of the extended universe contradict each other whatever is newer is considered canon.
Technically there are 3 Stone Daleks. In the scene during The Big Bang where the Eleventh Doctor is rescued from the Pandorica by Rory, in certain shots you can see the destroyed remains of a Stone Dalek as well as the two "full" Stone Daleks. The destroyed Stone Dalek is just a stone version of the lower base unit (so nothing above the sense globe section basically), so it’s a bit easy to miss.
The paradigm daleks have to return! I absolutely love their designs even though I didn’t like them at first. They truly grew on me and I want to see a whole army of them controlling a planet.
If I were to write how the Eternal Dalek would behave, I would have it only speak to the supreme dalek. Always being right by its side like an adviser, being mostly silent until it has something to report.
I like the concept that it’s only job was to ensure the survival of the daleks. We need the paradigm to return. We need a three part finally featuring them.
Perhaps Big Finish might do something one day?
@@minicle426 no offense to big finish but i want to actually watch daleks do something, big finish stories are good for long bus rides but the bbc have missed a perfect opportunity to animate them
thing is about that voice in the pandorica opens the supreme doesn't have the same tone as in victory, in victory of the daleks the supreme dalek has a very deep, booming growl of a voice but when he speaks in the pandorica opens, the voice is slightly more high pitched like a regular drone, so it could be the Dalek supreme who became the stone dalek.
I just rewatched a moment where the Supreme talks and one where the Stone Dalek talks and they sound identical, so, yes, that Stone Dalek was most likely the Supreme.
Damn this guy gives us Daily dalek content, show him respekt.
"That is _literally_ me! I- Oh, that is literally me."
- Supreme Dalek (Joe Vevers)
Which parody was that from
@@jcrossan1351 The Daleks Take TH-cam.
@@PerovNigma thank you !!!
Late to comment on this but i do think the stone dalek was Eternal based on the way it pleaded with River for Mercy. As Eternals role was to ensure the Daleks survival, it also went on the basis of the dalek urge to kill. So it followed the Ponds and the Doctor, knowing that they couldnt kill it or rather wouldnt via moral code. So it could afford to do so without much risk, even in its weakened state.
However, it failed to identity River. When it did, its role of "protect the dalek race" kicked in and made it beg for mercy as it realised it was well and truly buggered.
Very interesting. I always assumed it was the Supreme as it is the most important and I thought I could see the white colour being restored, but on seeing it closer, that was just the 'sun' light on the stone effect. I'd like to think it was the Eternal.
I like the idea of the Pandorica bringing a Dalek back to life, because that is what it does. However, it does feel a bit like Moffat wrote a Dalek into the finale for the sake of it.
It didn't bring the Dalek back to life it brought it into existence it literally didn't exist those statues are like nuclear Shadows they're not the real thing just impressions of stuff that never existed that is the only Dalek to ever exist.
Also stuff keeps disappearing in the museum to show how history is collapsing
There were only 2 Stone Daleks visible. I honestly thought the Eternal escaped before the universe collapsed and the one reactivated as stone was a drone. Which makes me believe that we will see the eternal again in the future series
I thought there was more then just a few of the Paradigm garlic they ran off rebuilt the Empire then got erased from existence
There's a lot more to consider than just what happened in-universe. The likelihood of seeing the Eternal in future series is second to nothing.
How the hell do you escape the universe collapsing this is literally the only Dalek in existence for the entire timeline
Oddly, I always thought the one that escaped was the Supreme.
@@Futures_Endinteresting
I always liked the idea of a simple lowly drone being the one that’s there at the endgame of time.
I think it's the drone. I imagine the Eternal did an emergency temporal shift the moment the rest of the universe started to explode.
I do like the idea that the eternal has some innate ability to survive a time-related disaster like this
There aren't any Daleks that is literally the only Dalek in all of existence all of eternity because eternity is gone this is just a tiny little Cinder of the universe
@@Glace-gone he didn't he didn't survive he wasn't even created this Dalek wasn't resurrected he was brought back into existence those aren't the remains there the Shadows of things that no longer exist
@@plantainsame2049 The past hasn't gone.
@@paulo9991 yes it has what part of all the time and space collapsing don't you understand
I think that it's the Drone. In the clip where the Doctor comes out of the Pandorica and see's the two stone Daleks near Rory, it's the positioning of where the Daleks are. So it's the Drone and Supreme there. And Eternal has escape using probably Emergancy Temporal Shift so should hopfully see him in the future with more backstory on his role. On the Drone stone Dalek there is a broken left speaker light and looked at it compared to it been at Stonehendge and the Musemum. But that's just my wild guess.
He doesn't exist they didn't die they stopped existing those aren't remains their Shadows the kalids didn't evolve because they didn't have a sun the only planet that still existed the Earth to do the simple fact that the Tardis was on it when it exploded the eye of the storm
love these videos!
I really hope we get some more paradigm Dalek appearances in future. I really like them
The paradigm Daleks will appear in my series!
I think the main reason after they were made more metallic was the suits were damn heavy and the operators struggled to move them. Whether that was true of the redesign metallics or the original version no clue but it has to have been a consideration.
I would be interested to learn more about the props they used for doctor who live since you told me that they used different type of props for the strategist and scientist since they were turned to stone daleks. And maybe How this fits in the dalek timelines whether it is before or after the pandorica opens and the big bang since the eternal is present. But that's if you want to explore that. It's just something I'm curious about.
The Doctor Who live shows use separate props to the TV series, and there were two sets of Paradigm props used in the show - the first batch of 5 made for Victory of the Daleks, and a new batch made for Asylum of the Daleks to replace the previous set. There are subtle differences between these two sets of props, particularly the rear section which is less hunched on the newer batch. Sadly very few Paradigm Dalek props still exist, there was recently an auction where the BBC sold off the last of their Paradigm props and it amounted to a ragtag collection of battered props with lots of pieces missing
@@dalekbumps I see, So it is likely we would not see the Paradigm Return for a long time then if they do not have the props any more.
I like the idea that the eternal dalek escaped the big bang, the only way I can think of it doing so is by travelling to another universe, similar to the cult of skaro. Actually, I quite like the idea that the eternal dalek's role is the same as the cult of skaro in general just contained to a singular dalek unit. Being able to "imagine" new ways of survival in emergencies, which would explain the name of eternal
It is definitely the drone dalek cuz I watch one of your videos on pandorica.the eternal dalek was on the right drone dalek on the left and supreme was in the middle so out the all thinking I personally believe the stone dalek was the drone
0:14/0:16 drone on the right supreme in the middle from The Pandorica Opens
Great video
Why wasn't the stone dalek used at the siege of trenzalore as an idea to avoid the planet's shield?
That's a thing davros didn't program daleks with the word mercy until season 9 how did the stone dalek know mercy
Remember that the 'mercy' thing from Series 9 happened to Davros when he was a child, far back in time, before he created the Daleks
@@dalekbumps oh of course so sorry love your content do you think you could do a video on the history of the daleks and davros
Disliked the paradigm Daleks when they were first introduced. Like them even less now. Kids toys. Other than the voice - the menace of them is almost zero and they look like kids toys.
A Wiggles concert. Just awful